Gay parents the new norm?

(190 Posts)
yummymummy345 Tue 19-Feb-13 21:04:52

Is it just me? but I do not entirely relish the idea of same sex couples being parents and thus becoming the norm. Watching Channel 4 news, they are highlighting books aimed at children with same sex couples instead of the traditional man/woman combo. I'm really not trying to offend anyone but I think men and women are generally different and so offer different things to a child, can 2 women or 2 men offer the same? I know 2 women/men would love that child just as much but is it all about love and security and thats it?

Gay marriage in the news also is looking to change our culture to make it the norm although I dont understand why civl partnership which affords the same rights? is not enough? A church marriage is for 2 people to procreate (if possible) so why does this all need to be changed?

I am interested on peoples opinions these are obviously just mine but would like to add I am not religious or homophobic .

Patchouli Tue 19-Feb-13 21:07:34

Crikey are we on the 345th yummymummy already?!

Well given that gay people are a minority it won't become the norm any time soon.
And surely all parents are different anyway. What is this "same" that gay couples cannot live up to?

Greythorne Tue 19-Feb-13 21:08:45

where's yummymummy342? i thought she always wrote good posts about scones and whether the jam goes on first or the clotted cream?

I think men and women are generally different

Startling insight of the year. hmm

A church marriage is for 2 people to procreate

I know it's been a long time since I got invited to a wedding, but I don't remember couples mating in the aisle.....

But you're not homophobic, so that's all fine.

Why do you think gay people should have fewer rights than straight people? My DS is gay and religious (I'm neither). Why should he not be allowed a religious ceremony like the other members of his church?

Also, do you think that single parents are somewhat inferior in the family stakes too?

AmandinePoulain Tue 19-Feb-13 21:09:57

It always surprises me, the number of people who say "I'm not homophobic/racist but..." and then follow it with something homophobic or racist hmm

motherinferior Tue 19-Feb-13 21:11:23

Sweetie, you are homophobic.

And you are offending lots and lots and lots of people. I happen to live (unmarried) with a man and I'm offended, for starters.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Tue 19-Feb-13 21:12:46

Do you have any idea of the definition of homophobic?

hermioneweasley Tue 19-Feb-13 21:13:44

Yes, when I take DS to school I cannot move for the same sex parenting families. Heterosexual couples are a clear minority.

I would quote all the research that shows whatever success indices you wish to use (career, money, self reported happiness) the hidden of gay couples come off better than children of hetero couples, but I can't be bothered.

Because you ARE homophobic. Thinking that gay couples are not as good as straight is homophobic discrimination.

HTH.

sittinginthesun Tue 19-Feb-13 21:13:46

You do realise you are homophobic, don't you?

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Tue 19-Feb-13 21:14:01

Christ, I did a search of your name, fully expecting to see that you were a new poster, but you aren't. angry

Do you have any bloody idea of how stupid and offensive your OP is?

sittinginthesun Tue 19-Feb-13 21:15:10

BIWI, I did exactly the same thing.

OP, this is not going to go well.

HappyJustToBe Tue 19-Feb-13 21:16:11

What SPB said.

OP, please explain to us what exactly you think "the norm" means?

GoldenGreen Tue 19-Feb-13 21:18:27

I think you know perfectly well it isn't just you - plenty of homophobia around.

And I doubt very much you are actually interested in other people's opinions.

But perhaps this, from a man brought up by two women, might help a little.

motherinferior Tue 19-Feb-13 21:18:48

and actually yes, it is all about love and security. Children who are actively chosen are rather more likely to be given the love and security they need than those conceived in a random heteroshag, surely?

(I have at least one child conceived in a random heteroshag, btw. She's doing fine. But I think probably my nephews, with their lesbian parents, are even better equipped with love and security, in all honesty.)

yummymummy345 Tue 19-Feb-13 21:19:08

A lot of yummy mummies out there...... !
SPB Im not sure its relevant that we are talking about a minority and so not beccoming the norm, give another few years and does appear it will be the norm.

All parents are different I appreciate that, but men and women generally have different qualities or do you disagree?

I think that given the state of some people who have children ( Jeremy Kyle show style) I don't see how two loving same sex parents can be something that people would have a problem with. Sexuality has no baring on how good a parent someone will be.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Tue 19-Feb-13 21:19:34

I'm really not trying to offend anyone but I think men and women are generally different and so offer different things to a child, can 2 women or 2 men offer the same? I know 2 women/men would love that child just as much but is it all about love and security and thats it?

Yes, men and women are biologically different. And so what difference does that make? Yes, two women or two men would love the child just as much. Yes, it's about love and security. What the fucking else do you want it to be about?

Gay marriage in the news also is looking to change our culture to make it the norm although I dont understand why civl partnership which affords the same rights? is not enough?

Well evidently not, if gay people would like to be married rather than just have a civil partnership. Or do you not think that their views and feelings matter in this regard?

A church marriage is for 2 people to procreate (if possible) so why does this all need to be changed? You don't need to copulate to procreate though. And just because the church pronounces that this is what marriage is about does not have to mean what we as a modern society decide marriage is all about.

I am interested on peoples opinions these are obviously just mine but would like to add I am not religious or homophobic Do you know, if you had said you were religious, I might have given you a teensy little bit more consideration, seeing as we would have had to deal with that troublesome Bible thingymajig. But if you have no religious convictions, then why on earth would you be troubled about the idea of two people who love each other wanting to be married?

In which case, the only conclusion is that you are hugely prejudiced and homophobic.

well gay people are only 10 percentof the population so I think try are safefrom thembexoming the'norm'. anyway if you need 2 parents one male and one femaleti raise a child you should be much more concerned about sticker parents! shock

HappyJustToBe Tue 19-Feb-13 21:21:10

Are you confusing the norm and normal?

Because it may not be the norm but it is normal whether homophobes view it that way or not.

So what evidence do you have that the number of gay people is increasing?
Or do we define 'norm' differently?
If you mean normalised / no longer worthy of comment then maybe. I don't think it will be in my lifetime though. Hopefully the dcs'.
My grandarenrs would have been taken aback by a mixed race relstiiship. Things change.

hermioneweasley Tue 19-Feb-13 21:23:20

Yummy, despite being able to count to 345 you are not very good at maths. Gayers are a small minority and it's more difficult to have kids. Therefore gay parents are unlikely to "be the norm in a few years" unless all hetties stop having kids right now.

You are ridiculous.

Chubfuddler Tue 19-Feb-13 21:23:21

Are you the sort of person why posts things on FB along the lines of " when I was a lad you went to prison for homosexuality, the way we are going soon it will be compulsory" and thinks they are wonderfully incisive and original?

You are homophobic BTW.

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