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Iain Duncan Smith really is an arse isn't he?(204 Posts)
"The next time somebody goes in - those smart people who say there's something wrong with this - they go into their supermarket, ask themselves this simple question, when they can't find the food they want on the shelves, who is more important - them, the geologist, or the person who stacked the shelves?"
There is so much wrong with this that I can't even begin. [cross]
I've never shelf-stacked nor been on the dole, but given the choice, I would always chosen to have worked so that I could build up skills and experience.
What's the museum got to do with it?
Perhaps this geology graduate knew how important museums are to our children and wants to share that. There are jobs in that field you know. I
I know. Let's take away all the museums and then we can just look at things in supermarkets.
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IDS should be rattled.
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I think he's got a point, there are too many young people with over-inflated ideas of what kind of job they are entitled to,
Your point is insulting. Why shouldn't a young person aspire to a good, fulfilling career/job? Are they not "entitled" to have ambition?
I am not sure what the cause of it is,
It's called 'Ambition'
why are we subsidising supermarkets et al in this way?
if there is work for someone available, let them hire them and pay them a wage
If shelf stackers are so vital (and I can see that they are), doesn't it follow that they should be paid for their labour? And if the government doesn't provide free labour to the supermarkets, the supermarkets would have to employ people to stack their shelves, thus creating jobs and getting people off benefit. Surely that is simple market economics.
The thing is, she doesn't get to pick her job. She has to find an employer willing to pay her for her skills and knowledge.
Let's pick on her instead of IDS and ask her why she didn't get a job at milk round/graduation.
silly ithaka, market economics is for poor people
subsidies and socialism is for large corporations
why she did not have a job at graduation and whether the government ought to be subsidising corporations are two totally different issues
i am more interested in the second one tbh
"The thing is, she doesn't get to pick her job. She has to find an employer willing to pay her for her skills and knowledge.
Let's pick on her instead of IDS and ask her why she didn't get a job at milk round/graduation."
I guess you missed the whole global recession in the papers?
oh. what happens to those people who would have gotten the jobs, had there been no subsidies?
which jobs do they get?
I have voted Tory at every election, I believe in the market economy, I believe everyone should work if there is a job and they are qualified and able to do it.
I want IDS and David Cameron and everyone in the Tory Party to know that that I am enraged by this policy. I am enraged for two reasons.
1. I am a tax payer and no firm should get an employee for free subsidised by my money.
2. No employee should be forced to work for less than minimum wage.
If a job is worth doing it is worth paying minimum wage for. No ifs, no buts, no way. I totally agree with what Miss Reilly said.
""I don't think I am above working in shops like Poundland. I now work part-time in a supermarket. It is just that I expect to get paid for working."
Please note IDS. This woman is now working for money. That is a paid job.
She was also prepared to volunteer and work for no money to further her skills in a job at a museum that was also a benefit to the public.
You and the Tory party are so wrong on this issue. I dont know where to start.
Before I went to University I did a horrible job cleaning turkey sheds and sand blasting buildings. I also worked in a laboratory as well. Good experience and I got paid_ for it.
Why do the Tory Party not understand this!
actually, i think you have won the thread with 'it's all very well, saying these people should be paid'
as though expecting a wage is some kind of ludicrous extravagance
Does anyone else feel that IDS is going to have to resign in the next few weeks? The dwp are currently looking at paying millions in rebates to those who've been sanctioned due to his ridiculous workfare scheme - this will probably sting taxpayers more but I'm sure that the demonised poor being able to pay some of their winter fuel bills and eating proper food can only be a good thing.
Immediately after graduating I was unemployed for 6 months, despite an MA from a good uni. Same for DP. I set myself a daily target of applying for 5+ jobs a day, which meant pretty much everything going. I took jobs as a temp, in shops and volunteered. I certainly did not have a problem or feel that shop work was beneath me!!
I defy any graduate, or indeed anyone with an ounce of self respect, to be proud and happy to sit on the dole doing sweet fuck all with their life. Out of touch doesn't even begin to excuse his disgusting attitude!
Knowsabit are you pulling up the ladder behind you the whole way or just halfway!
KnowsabitabouteducationSun 17-Feb-13 17:52:40
I have an engineering degree, but the first job I took after graduating was in a department store. It took me until the April after graduation to find an engineering job.
It never occurred to me that I shouldn't be a shop girl for those months. I think my future employers appreciated that I had a work ethic.
And you have already admitted in a subsequent post that you have NEVER been on the dole. So therefore you got paid a WAGE you HYPOCRITE.
IDS clearly is an idiot. And really, if he thinks stacking shelves is such an important job, then it should be recompensed accordingly.
He might as well have said:
"The next time somebody goes in - those smart people who say there's something wrong with this - they go into their supermarket, ask themselves this simple question, when they can't find the food they want on the shelves, who is more important - them, the politician, or the person who stacked the shelves?"
And i assume Rhinnon that you get paid for reproducing in the form of Child Benefit.
Having children is a choice Being unemployed isnt.
Btw i dont begrudge all parents their Child Benefit. Just the ones who are hypocritical about it like you.
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