OMG I am shocked .Lostprophets

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threesocksfullofchocs Wed 19-Dec-12 11:26:02
threesocksfullofchocs Thu 20-Dec-12 11:24:55

surely they can only find people guilty ......if they are guilty.

Xenia Thu 20-Dec-12 11:25:10

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wonderstuff Thu 20-Dec-12 11:28:27

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FryOneFatChristmasTurkey Thu 20-Dec-12 11:29:39

Xenia Quote from Guardian:

The 35-year-old has been charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a female under 13 and possession/distribution of indecent images of children.

EldritchCleavage Thu 20-Dec-12 11:30:33

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PandaWatch Thu 20-Dec-12 11:35:08

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Izzyschangelingisarriving Thu 20-Dec-12 11:40:15

panda it can take up to 10 weeks to get a magistrates court date - even for this sort of offence - maybe it shouldn't but in practice - it does.

EldritchCleavage Thu 20-Dec-12 11:46:31

Not 10 weeks for the initial hearing, surely. People get arrested and brought before Magistrates for hearings very rapidly after arrest, even on Xmas Day, etc. How else could bail/remand be decided?

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Thu 20-Dec-12 11:47:24

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FanjoTimeMammariesAndWine Thu 20-Dec-12 11:49:25

I would say trying to rape a 1 year old is "something real" hmm

Izzyschangelingisarriving Thu 20-Dec-12 11:51:26

Yes they can only find people guilty if they are guilty - but sexual offences are very hard to prove - especially in a one person's word against another scenario - find people not guilty when they are is far more likely under our adversarial system where a trial is simply a chess game between 2 barristers and it is no-ones job to find the truth in court.

Far too much is excluded - to protect through defendants rights - which makes for a fair trial for the accused but not for the victim.

Until I got dragged into this system - I had no idea how poor it is - I naively believed the truth would out - but I have discovered the truth has no place in a trial.

Izzyschangelingisarriving Thu 20-Dec-12 11:52:25

Yes I cab assure you 10 weeks from charge to magistrates is a real lifer example

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Glittertwins Thu 20-Dec-12 12:00:01

When I first heard about this, it did cross my mind that it was a 12-13 yr old fan that looked and acted a lot older as this does happen. But the more I have now read makes me feel very squeamish and I really hope it is untrue for the children's sake.

Gah, meant to add, I am in now ay legally trained. This is just my understanding of the 'making indecent images' law. I believe it was brought in to prosecute paedophiles who were amassing images and sharing them. Am prepared to be corrected.

FryOneFatChristmasTurkey Thu 20-Dec-12 12:03:04

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werewolvesdidit Thu 20-Dec-12 12:06:11

poor little girl sad

ThePoppyAndTheIvy Thu 20-Dec-12 12:11:07

Jesus Christ! I had never even heard of Ian Watkins before this (when I heard the news I thought they meant H from Steps - real name Ian Watkins blush). I have a one year old daughter - I really do feel sick having read the details, I was also assuming the charges would relate to a 12/13 year old he had met who looked & acted much older (not that that would be OK of course).

Not much shocks me, but that ANYONE could plot to do that to a baby is one of the things that does sad.

MyChemicalMummy Thu 20-Dec-12 12:12:48

@Izzy

he wouldn't have know any court dates in Nov when the tour was canceled. he was only arrested on monday.

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Thu 20-Dec-12 12:21:52

Chickens But would that not come under possession and distribution?

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Izzyschangelingisarriving Thu 20-Dec-12 12:27:25

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Izzyschangelingisarriving Thu 20-Dec-12 12:27:37

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SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Thu 20-Dec-12 12:38:07

I'm totally prepared to be wrong, I just thought that file sharing would have been distribution.

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