Train Guard Found Guilty Over Girl's Death

(215 Posts)
blisterpack Wed 14-Nov-12 22:38:58

I saw this article today and am really confused. How can a train guard be found guilty of manslaughter when an accident like this happens? And the quote from the poor guard,
McGee told the jury he thought Georgia was moving away from the train when he gave the signal to depart. He also said he did not know how drunk she was.

Should he have known then? confused

Greensleeves Thu 15-Nov-12 16:33:27

I don't think so. I hope others i similar roles will see this and think twice about abusing their position and slamming doors in people's faces, driving off when somebody is clearly begging to be let on etc.

And I find it utterly confused that some people are queasy at the thought of a five year prison sentence for causing a child's death but are happy to imply that said child/ her parents deserved what happened to her because she was out drinking with her friends hmm

Pinkforever Thu 15-Nov-12 16:36:05

Yes loads of 16 year olds do go clubbing-I done it myself. However I didnt get so drunk or high that I was a danger to myself. People have to take responsibility. He made a genuine mistake but he does not deserve 5 years in prison imo.

Greensleeves Thu 15-Nov-12 16:36:55

I wonder if he looked at her and thought like you do Pinkforever.

spoonsspoonsspoons Thu 15-Nov-12 16:36:57

I actually think the conviction is reasonable. It is the sentencing that seems disproportionate on comparison to other cases.

FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 15-Nov-12 16:37:08

If she was sober and just felt ill it would have been deserved though?

Shocking victim blaming.

Pinkforever Thu 15-Nov-12 16:37:14

I amhmm at your increduality fanjo as the majority of posters on here seem to be agreeing with me....

FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 15-Nov-12 16:39:05

well I am shock at them as well, to be fair.

Pinkforever Thu 15-Nov-12 16:39:11

I wouldt like to be a guard working on those trains at the weekend. I have been on the last train home and seen what they have to put up with. Of course the girl didnt deserve to die but she wasnt entirely blameless by putting herself in such a dangerous position. Why ruin this mans whole life too?.

Greensleeves Thu 15-Nov-12 16:40:01

because he caused the death of a sixteen year old girl?

Jesus.

FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 15-Nov-12 16:40:27

Well, you aren't one of the guards, but if you were you would have to do your job properly or face sanctions, no matter what you had to put up with.

I have to deal with shitty people at work, would I be justified in punching them...no.

Pinkforever Thu 15-Nov-12 16:41:18

He made a mistake. She also made a mistake by leaning on or trying to get back on the train when it was about to pull out.

FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 15-Nov-12 16:41:27

"I have been on the last train home and seen what they have to put up with. "

Does that justify being less careful to kill the passengers then? Seems like that is what you are saying.

FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 15-Nov-12 16:41:57

maybe she assumed it wouldnt pull out while she was leaning on it?

Greensleeves Thu 15-Nov-12 16:42:02

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FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 15-Nov-12 16:42:06

as indeed it should NOT have

MrsHoarder Thu 15-Nov-12 16:42:44

The difference between the guard and a doctor is partly that we are more prepared for doctors to do things which carry risks to our lives because if they don't we wouldn't get medical treatment beyond 2 paracetamol. There is no need for train guards to put lives at risks and their job is to make sure the train is clear before ordering it to move: he didn't do that. He could have shouted for her to stand clear or gone and moved her and he didn't so she died.

Pinkforever Thu 15-Nov-12 16:43:02

I dont think that is what I said at all. My point is that drunk people have to take some responsibility for their actions and putting themselves into dangerous situations. Whether they are 16 or 100.

spoonsspoonsspoons Thu 15-Nov-12 16:43:22

i think irrespective of the fact that the guard should have been keeping her safe it's important that teenagers learn that there's not always going to be someone to do that.

In my first week of uni a girl got very drunk and ran off from the people she was with and across a dual carriageway, killed instantly. Seeing her devestated parents arrive in halls to pack up her things was a great lesson in responsible drinking but i wish i could have learned it a different way.

Pinkforever Thu 15-Nov-12 16:43:38

Greensleeves-I am reporting that vile comment. You muppet.

Greensleeves Thu 15-Nov-12 16:44:03

Be my guest.

FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 15-Nov-12 16:46:14

well you don't really learn if you are killed by a train. So maybe that's not really helpful.

FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 15-Nov-12 16:48:47

unless you think it was worthwhile because her friends will learn to be careful on the train? shock

izzyishavingababyAGAIN Thu 15-Nov-12 16:50:17

I feel for the teen and the family - but I also feel for the train guard and his family.

It was a terrible mistake - not murder.

I am sure her family feel differently.

FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 15-Nov-12 16:51:38

yes it wasn't murder, it was manslaughter by gross negligence. If it had been murder he would have got a life sentence not 5 years.

malinois Thu 15-Nov-12 16:59:23

If your negligence while in charge of a train results in a death you get 5 years inside.

If your negligence while in charge of a car results in a death, you get 250 hours community service and a 1 year driving ban

Hardly seems fair does it?

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