Andrew Mitchell needs to resign.

(117 Posts)
ColouringIn Fri 21-Sep-12 16:08:32

Honestly he does......calliing a serving police officer "a pleb".
What an utter twat of the highest order....spoilt rich scumbag.

Xenia Fri 28-Sep-12 21:13:43

It is academically much harder to get into Eton than Rugby. The best schools in the private sector and state teach children manners. Mr Mitchell should not be rude to policemen.

limitedperiodonly Fri 28-Sep-12 21:08:34

My sister's old Etonian boss used to send her out for tomato sandwiches on Mother's Pride. He also gave her his PINs. Nice man. Emotionally and socially stunted. Bullied by his underling who'd been to Harrow. Both in positions of enormous privilege in the City. They'll be retired now but did more than okay.

Bears of average brain despite what anyone says.

edam Fri 28-Sep-12 20:53:21

frilly, that's interesting. The OEs I have known mostly have beautiful manners but some are terribly arrogant. There are some who are aware that they are ridiculously privileged and try to contribute something to society, and some who take that privilege as their right and have contempt for anyone who doesn't have the same advantages.

frillyflower Fri 28-Sep-12 19:20:26

Having spent most of my career amongst ex public school boys I can tell you that many have appalling manners (not talking about how to hold a knife and fork, but how to treat other people) - and old Etonians are the worst.

PostBellumBugsy Fri 28-Sep-12 13:12:12

Xenia, I'm just not getting the connection with cleverness & rudeness? I must be too thick - please explain?

Xenia Fri 28-Sep-12 13:09:12

It is very hard to get into Eton and most of the boys are very clever. Rugby is a bit easier and was probably even easier in Mitchell's day.

edam Fri 28-Sep-12 12:35:37

If Eton's so academically superior, how come Cameron didn't know what Magna Carta means? And thought Elgar wrote Rule Brittania (only a couple of centuries out...)

PostBellumBugsy Fri 28-Sep-12 11:49:40

Or you could argue that parents should have perhaps taught better manners? Surely, we are not expecting schools to have to do everything - even such esteemed insitutions as Eton & Rugby (despite any reservations about their actual ability to educate, even though the fees are extortionate)?

Andrew Mitchell's father was an MP himself, I can't believe he wouldn't have set a stirling example for his son to behave exactly how he himself would have done! wink

Xenia Fri 28-Sep-12 11:13:30

It might do. Eton is academically superior and perhaps teaches better manners and when AM was there I doubt Rugby was that good. It has got a bit better recently although he is not a great example of the manners one hopes one pays school fees in part to engender.

PostBellumBugsy Fri 28-Sep-12 11:11:17

LOL at the attempt to differentiate between Eton & "just Rugby"!!!! Does that make a difference?

Xenia Fri 28-Sep-12 11:05:23

But then he didn't go to Eton did he? Just Rugby.

Xenia Fri 28-Sep-12 11:05:01

Plump middle aged man on fairly lowish income who thinks he is great shouts at the police and swears... there are a lot of them about. They litter all classes.

What I look for is people who are polite to others - that is what class is about.

sammypaws Thu 27-Sep-12 00:09:00

Oh, I would say most people have the ability to multi-task. Maybe, I should be clearer; I would say that currently there are probably thousands of issues more important than this.

LineRunner Wed 26-Sep-12 23:56:41

I find it possible to care about more that one thing at a time, though. Especially when chatting on a parenting website. I don't imagine I'm heading up a United Nations World Problem Prioritisation Summit.

Well I try not to.

sammypaws Wed 26-Sep-12 23:53:47

All a bit of a storm in a teacup. Surely there are more important issues in the world to get worked up about...

LineRunner Wed 26-Sep-12 23:41:50

Or geologists.

SkippyYourFriendEverTrue Wed 26-Sep-12 23:35:51

You don't see many computer programmers doing that either.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Wed 26-Sep-12 22:27:40

You don't see mAny police officers on MN repeatedly telling us all day long that the best thing a mother can do for her children is become a police officer, do you?

LineRunner Wed 26-Sep-12 20:58:19

As I said upthread, my personal issue is that it looks like Mitchell isn't being upfront about what happened. If he'd just admitted it and said sorry that's one thing. But saying sorry whilst simultaneously fudging what he actually did and said just seems shallow.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 26-Sep-12 20:54:48

I think there's a difference between name calling on a forum where the person isn't going to read it/be affected and that person has done something to cause people to have such opinions of him and name calling a person to their face simply for doing their normal job.

You can't really compare the two.

twoGoldfingerstoGideon Wed 26-Sep-12 20:50:49

You watched television, Xenia? How did you manage to find time for that, what with your oh-so-demanding job and everything?

amicissimma Wed 26-Sep-12 20:50:43

"pleb"
"utter twat of the highest order."
"spoilt rich scumbag"
"sounds like a vile character."
"Stupid prat"
"nasty piece of work"
"Arse."
"twonk"
"Apparently he's known as 'Thrasher'"
"Tories love that kind of thing"
"obviously a nasty piece of work"
"spineless worm"
"arsehole"
"posh boys who don't know the price of a pint of milk,"
"Silly men"

Judging from this thread, I'd say petty name-calling is fairly common throughout society. Should we have a list of those for whom it is OK and those for whom it is not? Who gets to decide?

Xenia Wed 26-Sep-12 20:41:18

They are wonderful children but rather large. One is out at lacrosse so I can hardly cuddle her now. I have been lucky enough to spread motherhood over 28 years now but even I who adore bed time stories with them cannot quite manage it with teenage boys (the youngest). I was turned down when I offered to read a bit of the book of one's homework reading to him in bed when he was complaining about some tiny chunk of text to be read.

The Hayek programme was really interesting. Just as every good Communist on this thread would tell me we don't know if communism works as it's never been properly tried, nor have Hayek's free market ideas been tried. In 2001 we kept interest rates down, we interfered in markets, we never let them free. Whoever is in power want to have power and keep it.

Plenty of policemen go into private security and some forces people on retirement go off to Africa to provide security, arms, private armies - the free market and security is a fascinating issue. Perhaps we should add sale of guns and provision of private soliders in Africa to the ideas on the women who earn £1k a day thread.

Animation Wed 26-Sep-12 20:28:02

Xenia - oh for goodness sakes - go kiss your kids goodnight and read them a story!! grin

Xenia Wed 26-Sep-12 20:24:58

Everyone on this thread has chosen to live under capitalism. You could try to make your way in north Korea or Cuba or parts of South America if you do not like how capitalism values things. I simply say what is true - the market decides. The pretty girl gets the good looking rich man. The girl with nothing to offer finds it harder to find a man. Ditto with work and our talents. Most of us can clean a floor so the pay is pretty poor. Few can play football like Beckham hence the pay differential.

Socialism has been shown to have failed wherever it has been tried.

Marxists on this thread might like the final episode next week of this series as it will be about Marx www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01n2rpx/Masters_of_Money_Hayek/ The Hayek episode which I just watched of course is likely to be the best given my own free market views.

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