Photos of Meth Users (grim)

(52 Posts)
flyingcloud Fri 25-Feb-11 09:28:08

Anyone seen this gallery in the Torygraph.

Grim. I had heard the ageing effects of methamphetamines were pronounced but this is shock.

FellatioNelson Fri 25-Feb-11 09:33:10

God that's horrendous. I wonder what it is about meth that distorts their mouths and eyes like that?

Photos like this should be much more widely publicised in schools, youth clubs, the back of loo doors in nightclubs etc. It would have a much greater impact on putting kids off trying drugs than any amount of lecturing. Especially for girls who value their looks.

southeastastra Fri 25-Feb-11 09:34:43

kids hardly go about using meths though do they, seen these types of photos before, shock horror drugs make you look like shite

Mumbybumby Fri 25-Feb-11 09:35:36

Can't see the pics, only the headline. Might be my silly iPhone though. The physical effects of meth are usually pretty grim from what I've seen before. (As well as the fact it sends you completely crazy!)

FellatioNelson Fri 25-Feb-11 09:40:47

But it isn't only meth that takes a toll on your appearance - it could be used with all hard drugs. And no, kids don't generally do meth, but people who do meth/crack/heroin were probably once kids smoking a 'harmless' spliff. It's the slippery slope that needs to be hammered home.

Not that I rhink all people who dabble in soft drugs will end up this way, any more than people who have wine every night with dinner will be alcoholics, but I still think it would be a good deterrent for kids.

Feenie Fri 25-Feb-11 09:47:31

Was it wrong to rofl at no.14? Couldn't help it. confused

FellatioNelson Fri 25-Feb-11 10:05:16

Very very wrong indeed. Norty girl.

ragged Fri 25-Feb-11 10:05:53

It ruins your skin and immune system forever. That's why they are all have skin lesions like that in the Mugshots. I think the mouth/eye distortions are all evidence of the neurological damage it does (sometimes temporary, sometimes not).

I thought 14 was one of the less ravaged looking specimens.

laosvher Fri 25-Feb-11 10:08:44

Are they spots or something else?
Quite a few of them were rather good looking before too

Feenie Fri 25-Feb-11 10:09:12

He has a funny face grin

ragged Fri 25-Feb-11 10:15:45

They are infections, lesions, Laosvher. Meth addicts also complain of itchy skin. If they get a small cut they tend to pick at it and make it far worse. Withdrawel for meth addicts is like a drug-induced OCD in many ways.

I have close relatives who were/are meth addicts . My brother who used a lot of meth, is grateful that he became addicted to crack cocaine, instead.

Absolutely tragic I agree, however I did have a wee chuckle at the wonky drawn on eyebrows on one of the women. blush

laosvher Fri 25-Feb-11 10:19:32

I see, thanks ragged
Does it only happen with meth, then?

ragged Fri 25-Feb-11 10:26:38

I imagine that any illegal drug can be a trigger for mental illness symptoms, but meth is one of the most dangerous because of the way it affects the brain.

Talk to anyone who works in the American legal system, they find meth addicts to be among the most hopeless in terms of possible reform or rehabilitation. Precisely because of the brain damage.

flyingcloud Fri 25-Feb-11 10:35:12

Ragged, sad for your brother and family.

I think the point of releasing these photos was a)the problem is becoming huge in rural America and

b) the experience of the police in America (or so the commentary says) is that a lot of these people started out with an innocent spliff.

The mouth distortions can also be put down to the lack of teeth too.

BertieBotts Fri 25-Feb-11 10:57:53

It's not the same thing as meths, is it? Isn't this talking about crystal meth?

It's shocking but TBH I agree that it's too far removed from what is considered normal by young people to have much of an effect here. I remember being shown a documentary at school about crystal meth where users got so out of their mind that one woman was convinced she would die if she didn't pull her own teeth out with pliers.

Most people my age were shocked by it, but we all considered crystal meth to be some kind of ridiculous drug no sane person would ever touch, like heroin. And then by some kind of reverse association, the others were totally safe to experiment with as long as you kept it under control.

The sad thing is that when I did end up hanging around with people who were into drugs etc, you couldn't have predicted the people who ended up using heroin - almost everyone said they would never try it, some people stuck to that, others just involved themselves further and further into a world where it slowly became one of the category that it's ok to experiment with, you'll be safe if you do it in the right way, with the right people, etc. I could see how it could happen with something like meth as well.

ragged Fri 25-Feb-11 11:07:43

Sorry, in American slang "meth" and crystal meth are the same thing. I suppose by "meths" you mean some kind of solvent or the camp fire fuel (methyl alcohol, Bertie?).

In my teen years & place, Heroin was for SERIOUS drug users and crystal meth was just a bit of novel fun (sigh).

Crystal meth has been a major social problem for almost 30 yrs in the USA; we first became aware of my brothers' severe addiction in about... 1987/1988?

I think the Telegraph pix are useful for making sure we all know it is indeed worse than many other drug habits.

tbh, I don't believe in slippery slope arguments. Life is a slippery slope to everything bad (and good). Addiction is an ugly thing.

DurhamDurham Fri 25-Feb-11 11:08:22

That's shocking. The time between the first and last photograph wasn't that long, sometimes just a few months.

Tempted to show my teen girls, excepts I think they might have nightmares.

Awful and very sad, wonder if they can see the damage they have done to themselves or if they're too far gone for that. sad

TheHeathenOfSuburbia Fri 25-Feb-11 11:44:34

Apparently crystal meth is the smokable/injectable form which makes it more addictive, Class A in this country.

The normal methamphetamine, speed, that you snort (or not!) is class B. Used to be v popular in the punk/metal world when I were a lass. Not sure if it still is.

(Looked it up on that gov't website, Frank - you learn something new every day!)

BooyFuckingHoo Fri 25-Feb-11 12:13:41

that is scary!!

i don't think i know anyone who uses meth but i have posted that on my FB page anyway. you never know who might have a realisation from seeing it.


Mumi Fri 25-Feb-11 14:00:51

Number 5 shock Number 11 doesn't even look like the same person!

The last one just looked like he's aged in those 7 years thoguh.

PaisleyLeaf Fri 25-Feb-11 14:23:21

Cor they're sad.
What a good 'just-say-no' campaign.

QuelleLeJeff Fri 25-Feb-11 14:25:39

I've just shown them to my DS. They are shockingly bad.

They're not all crystal meth addicts BTW - I think it says at the bottom of each shot which drugs they're addicted to. Poor poor people.

Voddy Fri 25-Feb-11 14:29:27

Fergie from the Black Eyed Peas used to be a Meth addict, there are some photos floating around showing how sort of ravaged her face is without make up (not being unkind, just an observation).

mathanxiety Fri 25-Feb-11 14:38:30

Really terrible. DS did a project on meth (yes it's crystal meth not turpentine or methylated spirits) and its effects one year, and printed out photos like that. In some rural US counties the child welfare agencies are overwhelmed by the caseloads that meth use brings. Children who live in homes where the adults cook meth can also suffer damage from the fumes associated with manufacture, and walls and furniture tend to be coated with residue too.

You can't buy any product containing pseudoephedrine over the counter any more in a lot of US states -- you have to take a plastic card to the pharmacist and sign for your cold product. It only takes three ingredients to make meth according to DS, and it used to be very easy to get large quantities of pseudoephedrine.

stretch Sat 26-Feb-11 00:22:18

Look at their eyes. sad So sad and...hollow looking, esp number 2. sad

jodevizes Mon 28-Feb-11 13:53:46

I think it is the parents fault. Lets face it, they give their children tea and coffee which is a slippery slope to the first innocent spliff.

I do wish people would stop believing this ridiculous notion that an innocent joint leads to heroin addiction.

People who want to use drugs will use drugs no matter what. It is because it is illegal that they have to go to dealers who may be looking to maximise their earnings and so push them into other drugs.
Likewise it is because they also cut the drugs with some very dodgy chemicals that also cause problems.

Finally, just like people that can die from a single peanut, some people can die from a drug. It is not the drugs fault, it is the persons own metabolism that causes the problem.

stretch Mon 28-Feb-11 14:17:55


HecateQueenOfWitches Mon 28-Feb-11 14:22:05

I agree, stretch. I was just going to say exactly that. Their eyes are - dead. Window into the soul indeed. sad

jode - parents get their kids hooked on crack because they allow them to have a cup of tea? [boggle]

Are you on crack?

FellatioNelson Mon 28-Feb-11 14:32:17

metabolism? hmm

bibbitybobbityhat Mon 28-Feb-11 14:33:21

What do we call crystal meth in the UK? I'm not aware that there's much of a problem with it over here.

FellatioNelson Mon 28-Feb-11 14:35:14

I did point out that by no means all casual soft drug users will become addicts, but I doubt there are many addicts who woke up one day and thought: 'I know; today I'll start dabbling in drugs, and I'll begin with heroin.'

PaisleyLeaf Mon 28-Feb-11 15:06:39

I think it's rare here bibbity. this is quite an old article but it says: "Though British police have been warned to expect an epidemic like America’s since the early 1990s it somehow never came, probably because of lack of availability and the fashion for Ecstasy, cocaine and heroin. It has been used sporadically as a club drug and by sections of the gay community, but somehow it did not take off as a major drug of choice."

PaisleyLeaf Mon 28-Feb-11 15:11:08

Although this one says it is creeping more into the mainstream.

the thing to watch out for now is K - ketamine. usage is on the rise in a scary way, in certain london circles anyway

i know of some (very young) people for who it is the drug of choice and one guy who managed to quit it recently when his life was going downhill very rapidly

it can cause permanent incontinence and brain damage
evil stuff

PaisleyLeaf Mon 28-Feb-11 15:23:45

I thought ketamine was so 1990s.

(I know someone who had a ketamine problem)

jodevizes Mon 28-Feb-11 15:37:00

Tea and coffee contain caffeine which is a drug. It is a known stimulant that probably would not, like sugar, pass the testing laws for food that we have nowadays.

yeah so did i - but its on its way back big time

wordfactory Mon 28-Feb-11 16:00:37

crystal meth is not massively common in the UK but its use has increased because it's cheap and easy to manufacture (unlike crack)

Street names are glass and ice.

AboardtheAxiom Mon 28-Feb-11 16:12:30

shock can't believe how different they all look, some in just a matter of months sad

bumpsoon Mon 28-Feb-11 22:02:08

Oh for goodness sake that could be a before and after photo of me on a good night out grin

bumpsoon Mon 28-Feb-11 22:03:19

actually the worst photo is me before i go out , the first is me the morning after when my make up miraculouslry blends whilst i sleep grin.
DISCLAIMER: im joking!!!

harbingerofdoom Fri 07-Dec-12 20:15:29

What is Meth, crystal meth, crack and ice?
I am also worried about Mcat?
Please tell me about K, ketamine and all the derivatives that that Chinese chemists can produce.

lljkk Fri 07-Dec-12 20:28:52

I expect you can google as well as us, Harbinger.

ForkInTheForeheid Fri 07-Dec-12 20:33:44

I do wish people would stop believing this ridiculous notion that an innocent joint leads to heroin addiction.

I agree Jodevizes - it doesn't mean anything that almost all serious drug addicts started with soft drugs because it doesn't reflect the number of people who try soft drugs but never move onto harder stuff (i.e. almost everyone who tries them). The destruction of these people's lives is tragic but in order to understand it we need to be looking at how society operates on a wider scale. Nothing happens in a vacuum.
I know it's based on lab rats (literally) but the Alexander experiments explain it quite nicely to my mind.

TheReturnOfBridezilla Fri 07-Dec-12 20:36:48

I know a ketamine user through my work and she really is very pretty and looks-conscious. Something like this would probably give her a shock. I have to say, I haven't noticed it affecting her looks past her becoming very thin but if I saw before and after photos side by side like that perhaps it would be more obvious.

TheReturnOfBridezilla Fri 07-Dec-12 20:37:40

Woooooooooo zombie!

FYP Fri 07-Dec-12 20:42:30

Jesse Pinkman doesn't look like any of those dudes grin

CoteDAzur Fri 07-Dec-12 20:52:17

Wasn't it Madonna who said that she couldn't believe clubbers in the UK didn't seem to have moved on from ecstasy to ketamine?

harbingerofdoom Fri 07-Dec-12 22:37:10

I don't know what a Zombie thread is?
Yes,can Google away.
I am interested in how certain drugs can get under the radar because a chemist in China (usually) atm 'tweeks' the meow etc.

lljkk Sat 08-Dec-12 08:54:31

Zombie thread = one that started so long ago that OP has long since disappeared. For some reason MN can't figure out a way to distinctively highlight the text on such (relatively) ancient threads to warn us original content providers posters that it might be a bit pointless replying to OP.

I don't know why you're picking on "Chinese" chemists, Harbinger. We had a meth (making) house on the corner of my nice leafy very DesRes neighbourhood in California back in the 1980s.

harbingerofdoom Sat 08-Dec-12 20:03:37

I did a search and the title seemed so appropriate for the pictures in the papers yesterday. I had no idea the thread was sooooo old,sorry.

I'm not picking on 'Chinese' chemists. I'm only saying that they can manipulate the chemical formula by adding,say, a CH3 and it is no longer an illegal drug.

I'm not talking about 'backyard' operations.

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