Huh. It's going to be January before we know whether they're Richard III's bones.

(119 Posts)
LadyDamerel Mon 19-Nov-12 21:14:02

Just spotted this on the BBC website.

I think it's about time they borrowed some of those super-fast scanners and testing thingummies from CSI and put us out of our misery!

And in other news, there's a big list on the Richard III society website of various Richard III fictions, most of which are on Amazon or eBay (you'll need to click on the yellow Richard III tab on the left, then on Ricardian fiction to see the list).

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 20-Nov-12 01:16:48

Thanks for the update.

LadyDamerel Tue 20-Nov-12 21:16:36


Isn't it going to be gutting if, after all the waiting, they turn out not to be Richard's after all?

AnyaKnowIt Tue 20-Nov-12 21:19:20

But all the signs are looking good tho!

LadyDamerel Tue 20-Nov-12 21:23:36

True, and there's been so much research up to this point, looking at the information on the Richard III Society site, that they must be fairly confident it is him.

The team working on this must be on tenterhooks.

MrsJREwing Sat 15-Dec-12 19:47:24

There was another article in DM today regarding this.

CatPussRoastingOnAnOpenFire Sun 16-Dec-12 00:41:59
Mirage Sat 22-Dec-12 21:26:16

I'm sure that they are pretty confident,my spy tells me that the council have already purchased a building next to the site in preparation for a museum.They wouldn't be doing that if they were in any

MrsFiddymont Sat 26-Jan-13 13:18:55

All will be revealed on 4 February!

AnyaKnowIt Sat 26-Jan-13 13:24:09

Oohh smile

Exciting stuff.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Sat 02-Feb-13 21:36:04

I AM OUT! Harumph. But I have programmed the Humax.

Is now the right time to plug lovely new Science and Nature Club topic, as there will be both science and history inthe analysis of the bones?

nickelbabe Sat 02-Feb-13 21:38:08

oooh yes I saw the trailer.
of course it'lll be him. the bones are too similar to his physical problems to be anyone else.

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Sun 03-Feb-13 10:44:49

I CAN'T WAIT! Is it wrong to be this excited over a documentary about some old bones??

meditrina Sun 03-Feb-13 10:47:55

4th, you say?

(marks place)

JustCallMeBaldrick Sun 03-Feb-13 19:30:28

Marking place and getting excited...

Ooh, thanks for the reminder!

I am excited too ... going to be a right let down if the answer's just 'nah' or 'we couldn't tell', isn't it?!

LeeCoakley Sun 03-Feb-13 20:37:34

Can't wait!

meditrina Sun 03-Feb-13 20:37:50

In case anyone wants it, here's the first Richard III bones thread - which I now in 'Classics' rather than elsewhere in History Club.

pluCaChange Sun 03-Feb-13 20:43:19

Marking my place, too!

meditrina Sun 03-Feb-13 20:49:07

The documentary (which appears to include the "stupid deaths" HH guy - Simon someone?) is being shown on Channel 4 at 9pm.

But is the grand announcement to be made earlier?

LadyDamerel Sun 03-Feb-13 20:51:26

Gah, I'm teaching at 10am, might have to incorporate the announcement into my y5 literacy lesson somehow.

I'm going to a talk at Leicester guildhall in march, all about this.

It HAS to be him, doesn't it? They wouldn't be doing so much if it wasn't.

AnyaKnowIt Sun 03-Feb-13 20:59:47

Results at 10am tomorrow

It has to be him doesn't it

meditrina Sun 03-Feb-13 21:01:05

I was wondering where you got the 1000 from LadyDamerel, but have now seen today's stor on the BBC. It does sound as if they're heading for a positive identification, doesn't it?

LorettaMartin Sun 03-Feb-13 21:15:14

Very excited! Been waiting for the announcement for ages. It must be him surely?

kitstwins Sun 03-Feb-13 21:19:16

I am very excited. I have been waiting for this programme for months.

Did anyone see all the programmes on C4 last night? They'd clearly dredged the archives for some of it, but it was a whole host of Yorkist stuff. I also caught the end of a fascinating programme (with Tony Robinson I think although it has all blurred into one as I watched everything...) where they proved that Edward IV was illegitimate. Apparently an historian was quietly doing some routine research at Rouen Cathedral on the 100 Years War and came across some prayer rolls that showed that Edward IV's father had been on campaign at the time of his conception. There was always mutterings but it looks like the 6ft 4" golden Edward (in a family of small, dark haired siblings) was a bastard son after all. It would explain why his christening was a small, quiet affair in a private chapel but Richard (III's) a year later was massive and of 'first son status' - the true heir celebrated. It explains why 'Uncle Richard' was able to renege on his oath of fealty to his nephew and claim the throne as his own. His brother was illegitimate and had no rightful claim, and nor did his son.

Which means Elizabeth of York, married by Henry Tudor to strengthen his feeble lancasatrian claim, was technically wasting his time. He had a stronger claim than she did. Although if you read 'The Winter King' by Thomas Penn - an AMAZING book, you'll realise that his reasons were slightly more complex than that.

God, the power of history. Even better, they interviewed the historian who made the suprise discovery in the prayer rolls at Rouen. The quiet pleasure on his face was wonderful.

This is odd because I am 100% sure that I heard on the news a few weeks go that they are RIII's bones. However, this would not be the first time that I've heard / read news before it actually happens...

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Sun 03-Feb-13 21:21:33

I've set my alarm clock!

greenhill Sun 03-Feb-13 21:24:36

I can't wait to see the facial reconstruction.

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Sun 03-Feb-13 21:24:53

Surely though, if Edward was illegitimate, then that just made Richard, or Gloucesters children the heirs? Still didn't strengthen Henry's claim.

kitstwins Sun 03-Feb-13 21:25:07

It is him. The programme is on C4 tomorrow. If it wasn't him they'd have let the news out before now. They're milking the timings for all it's worth and who can blame them. I'm SO excited!

It's him. The question is, what next? Maybe a more truthful representation of a lost king. What IS good about all of this is that hopefully we'll begin to get a more measured picture of the man and not the Shakespearean pastiche of the evil, hunchback uncle. It took years for Henry VII to be rightfully portrayed as the dynamic, strategic, hotblooded and complex individual (and opportunist!) rather than the miserly, ascetic cipher he became. The mistake with history is we view them at the end of their life rather than at the beginning. Richard III is defined by Bosworth and the 'betrayal' of his nephew and yet he was and it was so much more complex than this.

kitstwins Sun 03-Feb-13 21:28:00

No, it didn't strengthen Henry's claim. I was just remarking on the irony of his marriage to Elizabeth of York to bolster his claim - she being the offspring of a 'bastard' king.

Henry's claim was still dubious at best. But he's not the first upstart to grab a kingdom on a day's battle and start a dynasty. It has been done on less.

AnyaKnowIt Sun 03-Feb-13 21:29:17

Well just looked at tomorrows TV listings and the Channel 4 programme is called 'The King In The Carpark' hmm

RichardsBird Sun 03-Feb-13 21:30:00

The university are not telling ANYONE what the results are, even at this late stage. I work for one of the very closely related organisations and the most senior person there did not know the definitive is-it-or-isn't-it answer at 6pm today. The city council have taken a gamble buying the building and setting up a temporary exhibition. But of course it is him, IMO.

meditrina Mon 04-Feb-13 06:50:01

I'm getting surprisingly excited!!

There are little bits on the news already. I think has to be him; DH thinks it's going to be inconclusive.

scaevola Mon 04-Feb-13 06:59:44

Glad there's a thread on this!

I've just seen the Breakfast News: they had a brief interview with the lead archaeologist: something about the way he said "sadly, we'll have to it until later on" (for the news), with the "sadly" stressed, made me think perhaps they can't be sure it's him.

Also wondering why the Sundays didn't get hold of it.

seeker Mon 04-Feb-13 07:16:00

It has to be him, surely? All this fuss then "sorry, it's some random bloke"

LeeCoakley Mon 04-Feb-13 08:12:44

But people involved with the C4 programme must know so maybe people who 'know' have heard it from them

DD is studying at the Dept of Archaelogy. I have asked her to text me when she knows but she says they are telling everyone at the same time so I will probably see it on TV first grin

scaevola Mon 04-Feb-13 08:45:10

< imagining hordes of MNetters camped by their tellies this morning >

The trailer for the C4 programme looked as if it was all about the methods of the tests, and will probably include a lot about his life and interpretations of it. It's only the result of the DNA test that need to be kept under wraps - and they could have filmed 3 endings in advance (yes, no, inconclusive).

scaevola Mon 04-Feb-13 09:36:10

SKY News is already reporting what it says is the result.

AnyaKnowIt Mon 04-Feb-13 10:02:19

so is it him? been sitting here and keep refreshing grin

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:06:10

Overwhelmingly excited!

Live feed of the press conference is here:

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:10:07

sky news are 5 seconds ahead! They are really stringing this out!

AnyaKnowIt Mon 04-Feb-13 10:10:16

that link doesn't work on my phone sad

scaevola Mon 04-Feb-13 10:11:35

Bugger - SKY's just broken off. I was really enjoying the description of the method.

Still working on the BBC - they've just shown a pic of the bones in the grave as they were found in situ.

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:12:32

Wow! Look at the spine! shock
AAARGH! Its still on CNN!

AnyaKnowIt Mon 04-Feb-13 10:13:06

its all about huhne now hmm

scaevola Mon 04-Feb-13 10:14:27

It's back on SKY (phew)

I am so glad they are showing all the explanation.

Where can I watch unbroken footage of the press conference? BBC has cut away from it hmm

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:15:25

I dont give a buggering stuff about bloody politicians! Stop breaking off!

AnyaKnowIt Mon 04-Feb-13 10:16:06

just get on and tell us

TunipTheVegedude Mon 04-Feb-13 10:16:35

I already think the university press office deserves a special award for Services To Stringing It Out and Milking It.

If it turns out NOT to be him after all I will be even more in awe of their achievement grin

Unbroken footage is on the BBC website.

scaevola Mon 04-Feb-13 10:17:07

Oh crap: SKY has broken off again.

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:17:54

Red Button on Sky!

scaevola Mon 04-Feb-13 10:18:47

Found it - on BBC News channel.

They had better stay with it < narrows eyes threateningly >

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:23:49

Whoever it is, the poor bastard had an awful death! sad

scaevola Mon 04-Feb-13 10:26:41

Oh bugger: gone from the Beeb now as well. Don't they realise there are frustrated geeks up and down the country?

We want to know the little details - like the bit about the possibility of there being a post-mortem humiliation wound to the buttocks.


SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:28:28

Go to the NBC website. It's on there under news.

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:28:56

BBC website! Bloody iPhone!

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:29:42

DNA next...

AnyaKnowIt Mon 04-Feb-13 10:32:05

bigger got cbbies on now sad

HelpOneAnother Mon 04-Feb-13 10:33:08

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SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:35:01

The DNA Results.... <<bites nails>>

AnyaKnowIt Mon 04-Feb-13 10:37:00

(keeps refreshing)

scaevola Mon 04-Feb-13 10:37:52


Maternal line match!

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:37:58


Yes! It's him! grin

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:38:17

<<Having a little weep>>

AnyaKnowIt Mon 04-Feb-13 10:39:06

yes grin

JustCallMeBaldrick Mon 04-Feb-13 10:39:13

Woo hoo!!!!!

JustCallMeBaldrick Mon 04-Feb-13 10:39:45

<got something in my eye now>

Sallster Mon 04-Feb-13 10:40:21

Wow! Am tearing up! How silly is that!

scaevola Mon 04-Feb-13 10:42:05

Reinterrment: likely to be Leicester Cathedral, he said.

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:42:08

Burial in Leicester Cathedral. I think he would have wanted that.

Wow, so fantastic.

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:42:27

Hope he gets a state funeral.

HelpOneAnother Mon 04-Feb-13 10:42:53

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

bleedingheart Mon 04-Feb-13 10:43:32

It was worth the wait!
Typical Chris Huhne making the drama all about him grin

MrsSalvoMontalbano Mon 04-Feb-13 10:46:48

Gosepimples here as they showed the DNA... how calm that lady was - I'd have been hyperventilating... (as indeed am here at my desk.) Very poignant that if the skellie had been fiund in the next generation, the dna would not ba available...

MrsSalvoMontalbano Mon 04-Feb-13 10:47:27

sallster yes, welling up here too...

Oh, I'm glad it's going to be Leicester Cathedral. smile

I've not seen it yet but couldn't resist checking the thread.

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 10:49:33

I bet the cleaning lady for Leicester Cathedral is cacking her pants! There are going to be LOTS of visitors...
My archer friend and I definitely want to visit!

Sallster Mon 04-Feb-13 10:55:53

Glad it's not just me!

sieglinde Mon 04-Feb-13 10:58:18

Yes, welling up here too over the wounds.

Not so thrilled about Leicester Cathedral, though I see the reasoning. Surely it should be an RC funeral/burial service, though?

Allalonenow Mon 04-Feb-13 11:00:18

Wow! Brilliant stuff!

scaevola Mon 04-Feb-13 11:04:23

Leicester Cathedral was a Catholic church when Richard III lived, so no conflict there.

Perhaps they'll come up with a new Order of Service, as there can't be much precedent for reburial of dead monarchs. Or does someone know better?

Yes, I'm curious about that too.

I know someone whose PhD thesis involved reconstructing a medieval Catholic Mass, and they did then perform it at a C of E Church with the bread and wine and everything, so it might be they'd be willing to do something like that again. I wonder.

I do like that it's Leicester cathedral. Leicester does need it, IMO.

sieglinde Mon 04-Feb-13 11:08:34

Fascinating on the PhD, LRD. Sounds like just what's needed. Would also be great to see that - interesting in itself.

mummytime Mon 04-Feb-13 11:19:11

Knowing modern Cathedrals it will be a joint C of E and Catholic thing if the RC agree. We normally have lots of RC Priests (Bishops etc.), various protestant leaders, and the odd Iman and Rabbi at my local Cathedral major services (Anniversary, instillation of major clergy etc.).

nagynolonger Mon 04-Feb-13 11:57:06

I think it's great that he will be burried at St Martin's.

Nottingham make so much of the Robin Hood link it will be great that Leicester can get a look in. And King Richard really existed!

carbalanche Mon 04-Feb-13 12:36:04

I loved the reactions of everyone on the panel. All those lovely but reserved hugs and not a high-five in sight! Kudos to Leicester University - always good to remind everyone that there are centres of academic excellence throughout the UK.

Mirage Mon 04-Feb-13 12:42:56

Hurrah! I was weeding someone's garden this morning and was hoping it'd be on R4,but no mention,so found Radio Leicester on my phone and listened.I confess to getting a bit teary when I heard the news,poor old King,all those years under an inner city car park.

I rang my mum when I got home,she was all emotional about it all,she is a big Ricardian and was thrilled to bits.It is definitely excellent news for Leicester,there is a lot of history there but it has always been overlooked.

LiviaAugusta Mon 04-Feb-13 15:51:00

Just finished work and seen the news, I'm getting quite teary too, so glad it was him.

Can't wait to see the programme tonight even though we know the result

greenhill Mon 04-Feb-13 18:32:02

The best thing about the programme tonight will be the facial reconstruction. They didn't show that this morning.

LeeCoakley Mon 04-Feb-13 18:34:34

Absolutely greenhill, that's what I'll be looking forward to the most.

Wonder how close the recon is to the portrait pics (drums fingers) smile

meditrina Mon 04-Feb-13 20:41:32

Facial reconstruction? Wow! Looking forward to this.

happybirthdayHiggs Mon 04-Feb-13 20:52:01

Evening All,
10 mins to go - so excited.
I was stuck in court on Jury service today so I missed all the excitement.

AnyaKnowIt Mon 04-Feb-13 21:01:42

Ooh Its on grin

meditrina Mon 04-Feb-13 21:05:40

I think this is the first time I've seen Simon Farnaby doing anything other than HH.

AnyaKnowIt Mon 04-Feb-13 21:06:57

Thats where I know him from HH

LiviaAugusta Mon 04-Feb-13 21:29:47

Can't wait for the facial reconstruction! This is brilliant, Simon Farnaby makes it even better if at all possible too!

meditrina Mon 04-Feb-13 21:34:57

I see the post with which LadyDamerel began this thread included a link to the Richard III society. It is just amazing how Langley and her "bonkers project" are coming across.

It's incredible that they made a major find in the first exploratory trench.

TheDailyWail Mon 04-Feb-13 21:39:04

I am loving this!

SaggyOldClothCatpuss Mon 04-Feb-13 21:57:38

I wish they'd stop saying 'infamous'! It really bothers me! closet Ricardian

meditrina Mon 04-Feb-13 22:01:27

They're on to the Tudor revisionism now, and the massive exaggeration of small flaws.

Presumably facial reconstruction is the next segment.

Greensleeves Mon 04-Feb-13 22:03:35

daft mare

AnyaKnowIt Thu 07-Feb-13 21:55:19
TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Tue 26-Feb-13 19:43:53

Finally watched this off the Humax. Dr Jo Appleby came across really well and managed to suppress her incredulity at Philippa, for the most part.

I have just discovered that a senior archaeologist from the University of Leicester hosted an assembly at DS's primary school back on 8 Feb, all about the discovery of the bones and all the work done.

No wonder my DS seemed so knowledgeable about it. I thought he'd been paying attention to the news on tv for once! grin

Saw pics online and the senior archaeologist (a professor) is also a mum to at least 2 DCs at the school. DCs in a different class so haven't spoken with her before, but I do recognise her from the playground.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Wed 06-Mar-13 23:43:34


TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 20-Apr-14 20:37:40

Hello all

The Last Days of Richard III: The Book that inspired the dig is £2.49 on kindle today.

Just seen this - thanks for the rec doctrine!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 27-Apr-14 20:14:57

Did everyone but me know how short the Battle of Boswirth was?

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