They've just decided Richard III won't be buried in York

(49 Posts)

You have to look at this document:

www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/richard-3rd-judgment-.pdf

It is cracking me up, properly. There's something so funny about seeing it all set out like that.

Just seen Tom Holland on twitter suggest Fotheringhay, the church where many York royals were buried. What do you think?

EffectiveCommunication Fri 23-May-14 11:21:31

Can you briefly explain? link looks long He is going to be burried in York now?

Tiredemma Fri 23-May-14 11:22:13

I really dont think he should be buried in Leicester.

VivaLeBeaver Fri 23-May-14 11:23:28

I don't think he should be buried in Leicester. If I went on holiday to Leicester and died there I wouldn't expect my dh to bury me there. I'd expect him to bring me home and bury me in the village churchyard.

Oh, sorry. Yes, it is long and I didn't seriously mean you should read all of it. It just tickles me, as a medievalist, that they've set out an account they say optimistically they hope will be 'uncontroversial'. grin Yeah, good luck with that.

Here's a shorter link from sky news: news.sky.com/story/1267535/court-rules-on-richard-iiis-burial-place

Basically, yes, it's Leicester but they could appeal.

I quite like the idea of Fotheringhay, partly for the reasons viva gives and partly because it's nearish Leicester (I am partisan for Leics, I reckon it needs all the tourism boost it can get).

VivaLeBeaver Fri 23-May-14 11:30:44

Who became king after Richard was killed?

Lilymaid Fri 23-May-14 11:31:16

Also reported on BBC. Basically, judgment states that the University and Ministry of Justice didn't have to consult others about the reburial.

Henry VII (Henry VIII's dad).

Tiredemma Fri 23-May-14 11:34:09

Viva- Henry Tudor (Son of Margaret Beaufort) became King and so started the Tudor Dynasty

SantasLittleMonkeyButler Fri 23-May-14 11:36:14

Where were Anne Neville & their son (Edward was it?) buried?

Mama1980 Fri 23-May-14 11:38:05

I agree as archaeological and historian it is kinda funny seeing it set out that way.
I love the idea of fotheringhay after all Richard duke of York, Cecily Neville and Edmund duke of Rutland were buried there in the reign of Edward IV both he and then then duke of Gloucester attended so must have thought it suitable.
It is a beautiful place.
Also they have some amazing sword marks in the stone (my son loves that part)
But anywhere where is can receive a dignified and peaceful burial would be fine. I find this claiming to know his wishes thing quite strange.

Henry tudor became king Richard as Henry VII following the battle of bosworth.

EffectiveCommunication Fri 23-May-14 11:38:05

I would love to know who the distant family member were.

I'm delighted too. I live fairly close to Leicester and my DD is studying Archaeology there.

Although...

I live even closer to Fotheringhay grin

SantasLittleMonkeyButler Fri 23-May-14 11:39:48

Ah, Westminster Abbey.

I think he should be buried wherever he would have been buried had he died as a reigning King, from natural causes.

So, probably London or Fotheringhay.

They're named in the long document, effective.

It all sounds very complicated.

mama - yes, it is beautiful. I guess a practical issue is that it's not very tourist-friendly (out in the middle of nowhere). I know that's not a very respectful way to look at it, though.

funnyossity Fri 23-May-14 11:41:11

My Yorkshire family are adamant they know what he'd have wanted Mama!

This is a (surprisingly) hot topic with them so I'm glad Mumsnet can keep me updated.

JodieGarberJacob Fri 23-May-14 11:41:52

The sky article implies that distant relatives shouldn't have the last word but I would have thought that everyone in the entire world (apart from Leicester) would want the bones buried at York or another family site. Boo to the ruling!

Why York, though?

He thought York stank, apparently, despite the claims he had a special relationship with it.

ExcuseTypos Fri 23-May-14 11:45:28

I hadnt realised he'd actually been buried. I thought he'd laid where he died in battleblush

Ludways Fri 23-May-14 11:45:46

Boooo!!!

I thought that for ages too! It's not as if it was a terribly dignified burial first time round.

Ludways Fri 23-May-14 11:46:47

Boooo!!!

i have to say i don't ahve an opinion either way, i just find it fascinating

if his family had recovered his body at the time, where would he likely have been buried? if fotheringhay then that might be a nice compromise, though perhaps not workable as others have outlined

thewoolly, I am envy of where you live. That's a beautiful part of the country.

JodieGarberJacob Fri 23-May-14 11:50:32

What's the MN consensus? My feeling is Westminster Abbey, but not sure why.

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