Come be professional offended with me!

(47 Posts)
HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 10:17:28

Routine xrays today for my orthopaedist. Waiting, in the fetching paper gown, to be called in, I noticed the sign.

Very important notice. Twee graphic.

So I decided to be PO about it.

Who's with me?

Yeah that's pretty naff. A picture of a big cock and balls would probably get more attention

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 10:31:35

It doesn't need a graphic at all!

Quoteunquote Tue 03-Dec-13 10:33:22


What graphics would you suggest?

, and having spent much time having myself zapped, daily I am acutely aware that every penny counts in the NHS,

so asking them to change signs, because the "stork" reference is offensive is just silly.

Make and provide something eye-catching and better, if you feel so strongly, but please don't waste a penny of NHS money dealing with this.

Preciousbane Tue 03-Dec-13 10:33:52

Well dumbo was bought by a stork but I remember pushing and panting myself. Maybe that notice has been there since 1953.

ThisIsMeNow Tue 03-Dec-13 10:36:32

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 10:40:57

Who said anything about bringing it up to the NHS?

And why does it need a graphic at all?

I knew my joking PO post would bring out the real ones.

I just didn't think it would happen so fast.

HoneyDragon Tue 03-Dec-13 10:41:39

Surely if a great big carnivorous bird delivers babies than you don't have to worry about being X-Rayed?

Quoteunquote Tue 03-Dec-13 11:02:35

Quite a lot of the time when people are going into radiotherapy/x rays, their heads are all over the place with worries,

I went day in day out for therapy, as well as lots of scans, even when it was the same staff they go through the any possibility of pregnancy routine, over and over,

we chatted about it, they do get women that despite all the efforts to check, suddenly remember they are, or could be,

I guess they need a graphic which relates to pregnancy but not show it, as there are people who will have to have terminations for treatment, if they put the baby in the womb image it may be far more upsetting for someone going through a truly hideous set of circumstances, so a one degree separation image has been chosen.

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 11:12:00

So treating all women like children is the answer?

Lowest common denominator signage.

Oh how I fucking hate the tweeing of the world.

HoneyDragon Tue 03-Dec-13 11:31:51

What's wrong with a straight forward symbol of a woman? It works on female toilets.

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 11:39:17

There you go. Perfect, honey.

Or how about, I don't know, no graphic at all!

HoneyDragon Tue 03-Dec-13 11:43:08

I thought no graphic. But in fairness they do want to draw the attention of women. Ergo female sign.

DropYourSword Tue 03-Dec-13 11:50:00

Yes Tee. Lowest common denominator sign. Because not everyone is degree educated. Not everyone reads signs. Not everyone CAN read. A stork delivering a baby is an easily recognisable graphic that will catch people's attention quickly.

I know you started this OP as a joke, but your post at 11.12 is a little harsh. Why not try to understand that the NHS is trying to communicate as best it can to the largest amount of people it can.

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 11:50:15

Okay, I'll give you that.

The sticker does look very old, BTW, so I would imagine it's been there as long as the hospital, or nearly.

Ubik1 Tue 03-Dec-13 11:52:41

I think the NHS's understanding of how babies are made is far more worrying...

Even more worrying is that people actually give a shit about any of this.

SconeForAStroll Tue 03-Dec-13 12:05:52

Would a stork that skinny be able to carry a baby fully extended? I think not.

Not only is it twee and against nature, it is also against physics. WHICH IS WRONG.

now if it had been a team of African Swallows with the baby suspended in a sort of vine papoose that would have been much more convincing

hazeyjane Tue 03-Dec-13 12:10:14

The only thing that offends me is the term professionally offended - which is usually bought out when someone tries to challenge something which is genuinely offensive.

But re the sign having a graphic - lots of people can't read and in stressful situations people tend to notice graphics more than written signs.

Yabu. Because people generally knows what the stork means (aside from good chocolate) and the idea is to make sure people read the sign

Moreisnnogedag Tue 03-Dec-13 12:15:23

Those signs are everywhere I think. It's a bit meh. Now apparently when a certain new hospital was built they forgot that women could be surgeons too so didn't build a female consultants changing room just a male one. Now that raised my hackles...

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine Tue 03-Dec-13 12:24:35

There is something a bit perverse in illustrating a sign that relates specifically to the fact that babies grow inside you with a graphic that suggests they don't .

Unless a time traveller from 1910 wanders in it's unlikely anyone will actually be confused , but it's an odd choice. And I think the stork/baby connection is a very culture-specific thing so it's not even a great choice as an easily-recognisable image.

Hypothetically, if redesigning the sign, I'd agree with HoneyDragon -- standard female symbol is probably the best. It draws attention, isn't twee, won't trouble ornithophobes... grin

CMOTDibbler Tue 03-Dec-13 12:30:04

That is an old sign - the more modern ones are a cartoon baby in utero sating 'tell them I'm here mum' in 10 or more languages.

But women not saying that they are, or might be pregnant is a huge problem, and they have to do everything possible to ensure women/girls get the message - and the stork is amazingly widespread as a symbol tbh

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 13:09:01

But according to quote a baby in utero will upset people.

I was harsh, perhaps. But I am in real life too, so why should I not be here?

tethersend Tue 03-Dec-13 13:18:54

If we're being harsh, is it ok to say that I couldn't give two shiny shits about the sign? grin

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 13:22:50

Fuck yes tether!

I would also like to say fuck you to autocorrect. No, I did not mean duck.

tethersend Tue 03-Dec-13 13:38:15

Fuck the duck.

And the stork.

Fuck all aquatic birds. The cunts.

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 13:41:16

Is the stork aquatic? Fuck if I know.

tethersend Tue 03-Dec-13 13:46:57

I don't know. It fucking should be.

Gileswithachainsaw Tue 03-Dec-13 13:54:09

It is a bit twee but as posted before it's a fairly easily deceipherable picture.

There will be many people who can't read or write English.

Quoteunquote Tue 03-Dec-13 14:00:13

But according to quote a baby in utero will upset people

Not quite,

I was suggesting, If you are pregnant, and have to make the difficult decision, between completeing pregnancy or starting radiotherapy, having made that choice, looking at a picture of baby in womb every day, while you put your gown on, might be a bit hard, especially when you then have to lie very still for hours, while lots of people fiddle and move your body about, while you lie there naked. In that situation, people try to go into a calm trance, if the last image you see is that of a baby in womb, you might find it upsetting.

I'm happy for you that you have not had that life experience, but be aware not everyone is quite so fortunate.

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 14:11:25

Well, since this is not the part if the hospital where they do that sort of therapy, I think you're projecting.

Quoteunquote Tue 03-Dec-13 14:26:49

Oh yea that what i'm doing hmm

Do you really think that cancer (and other people who may be sensitive to this) patients get kept in one part of the hospital?



HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 15:10:33

Perhaps consider that there are all sorts of hospitals all over the UK. And Belfast City hospital has a purpose built cancer center. With it's own radiotherapy suite.

Take the chip off your shoulder and get a grip.

Gileswithachainsaw Tue 03-Dec-13 15:19:42

I don't think telling someone who's posts read as though there's some personal experience there to get a grip is particularly nice.

Can't you just accept the point and maybe have some sympathy towards what sounds like a horrid experience that may be very close to home.

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 15:51:38

Who said I was here to be nice?

Can't you (and she) accept that some threads are suppose to be fun and not be brought down by the PO?

My God it's a fake PO thread brought to it's knees by someone being fucking PO.

Only on fucking Mumsnet.

hazeyjane Tue 03-Dec-13 15:59:40

Ohhhhh, sorry is putting Professionally Offended in the title like putting <lighthearted> ie I can say what I want, and anyone who disagrees or gets upset is a stupid old poo poo head with no sense of humour?

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 16:01:01

Yes. You're very clever for figuring that out.

Would you like a cookie?

Gileswithachainsaw Tue 03-Dec-13 16:02:31

If quote has experienced even half of what she posted then I think we can at least try and sympathise why she was understandably upset and offended.

I'm sure she knows you didn't originally intend the thread to be anything but fun and light hearted however it clearly hit home with someone and given what they pointed out, the harsh messages telling her to get a grip or stop projecting were In fact uncalled for and deliberately mean.

You could have just said "sorry if my thread upset you I didn't mean to cause any offence"

There was no need to launch into attack mode.

HarkTEEHeraldAngelsSing Tue 03-Dec-13 16:04:25

Oh but it's okay for her to attack me? Because she's had a hard life?

Well who hasn't had a fucking hard life? You and she have no idea what I may or may not have gone through here or anywhere else because there's lots of stuff I don't put on MN or anywhere else on the internet because it's no ones fucking business.

I was trying to have a bit of fun. I forgot that wasn't allowed any more because someone, somewhere has gone through something somewhere and might get offended.

What a bunch of miserable fucks on this site lately.

hazeyjane Tue 03-Dec-13 16:13:35

Lighten up!

Quoteunquote Tue 03-Dec-13 17:01:23

Oh dear, where have I attacked you exactly?

I was just gently trying to suggest that you might have a gap in your thinking, and there maybe some good reason why an anatomic correct image wasn't used, you don't have to lash out,

Just because a hospital has a specialist part of the hospital for cancer care, doesn't mean that cancer patients are exclusively treated in that space, far too many different department specialities are needed, it would be an entire hospital needed, unfortunately as you go through the process, you get around many parts of the hospital, bone density scans,heart checks, blood checks, brain scans, water pumped into your ears for balance checks, pre op checks, alsorts of bits of you get poked and prodded and tattooed.

I'm not sure why you think i have had a hard life, I would consider I have had a very privilege life, with some interesting chapters, it is fairly normal to cancer, luckily I live some where with free health care, which puts me someway ahead of most people.

It was quite clear that you were just posting for fun OP. (Was to me anyway) I don't see why you've been given such a hard time

I had a CT recently and was a bit hmm at the poster CMOTDibbler described. It's a cartoon of foetus in a uterus saying "tell them I'm here, Mum", which I thought was a bit inappropriate given that if you're pregnant and needing a CT scan (or similar) there's a good chance it's something fairly serious and you may end up with the decision of whether to terminate or delay treatment, and in any case any pregnancy may be unwanted. So I think I'd prefer the stork one to that. But why not just a silhouette of a pregnant woman? Seems a bit less emotive.

On a related note, does anyone know if they can refuse to give you the scan/x-ray if you're pregnant? For example, my scan was to check if my cancer had returned, if I said I was pregnant but wanted to go ahead with the scan, could they still refuse? (It was a chest/abdo/pelvis so would definitely scan the foetus). I have no reason to ask except that I wondered about it while waiting for my scan!

CMOTDibbler Mon 09-Dec-13 13:13:00

GoodbyeRubyTuesday - it would depend on the clinical benefit of the scan to you. So, if there were signs that your cancer had returned, the scan would have clear benefit, the medical physicists would calculate the dose to the foetus, do a risk analysis, and then your oncologist/radiologist would talk it through with you. They would also consider if MRI/ultrasound could be used instead, or whether a more limited Ct would be OK etc.

In my previous job I was involved with radiotherapy for 3 ladies who were known to be pregnant, and they were counselled extensively so they knew the risks - and benefits for the themselves

Ah okay, thanks CMOTDibbler for satisfying my nosiness curiosity.

GinOnTwoWheels Mon 09-Dec-13 14:56:00

Its just an old sign, and I think you're being a bit oversensitive OP, and if you really want to be offended, see if you can have a look at the 'call nurse' button next to many hospital ward beds.

If its quite old (I have no idea of the era), the button is labelled with a stereotypical 'saucy nurse' graphic, complete with short skirt and big boobs shock.

MinesAPintOfTea Mon 09-Dec-13 20:45:51

I find it worrying that all the local midwifery service letters had a stork delivering a baby as their logo. You'd rashly hope they'd be better informed wink

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