KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 14-Jan-14 13:32:29

Sensationalist reporting of 'sex crimes' - it's time we held the tabloids to account

Last week, The Sun was accused by campaigners of reporting a particularly horrific sex-trafficking case in a sensationalist and titillating manner - not least because the article appeared side-by-side with their daily 'Page Three' feature.

Here Mumsnet blogger and member of the No More Page Three campaign Stephanie Davies-Arai argues that the tabloids must stop using women as sexual commodities - and that society must have a means of holding the media to account.

Stephanie Davies-Arai

Communicating with Kids

Posted on: Tue 14-Jan-14 13:32:29

(87 comments )

Lead photo

The Sun's front page reporting of a sex-trafficking case

The Sun newspaper's front page splash on January 7th proclaimed: ‘I was sex slave in Fred West's old house’.

This was the titillating headline with which the newspaper chose to introduce the horrific story of a young woman who was trafficked into forced prostitution, enduring gang-rape by many men over an extended period of time. The sensationalist, salacious tone continued over a two page spread on pages 4 and 5, with a second headline: ‘Slave gang forced me to have sex with 5 men at a time’. The words were accompanied by a large, staged photograph of a woman dressed as a sex worker.

Sandwiched in the middle of this report of horrendous sexual abuse - and by necessity reinforcing its sexualised tone - was the Sun's habitual soft porn Page 3 image - a topless woman of around the same age as the victim in the story.

In blurring the boundary between sexual entertainment and violent sexual abuse through its language and images, the Sun's reporting trivialises, to an almost laughable degree, VAWG (Violence Against Women and Girls) - in direct contravention of all published guidelines.

Such salacious reporting can obviously be deeply distressing for survivors of sexual abuse; but it's also acknowledged to have a broader impact on society's views of VAWG. In other words, it affects us all.

The UN Commission on the Elimination and Prevention of all Forms of Violence Against Women and Girls, signed by our government on March 15th 2013, was unequivocal in its findings that the media plays a vital role in forming attitudes towards women, and should refrain from ‘presenting them as inferior beings and exploiting them as sexual objects and commodities.’

In blurring the boundary between sexual entertainment and violent sexual abuse through its language and images, the Sun's reporting trivialises, to an almost laughable degree, Violence Against Women and Girls - in direct contravention of all published guidelines.


A report into how well the UK was implementing that resolution said “the media provides a conducive context in which VAWG flourishes, by reinforcing myths and stereotypes ... violence in some newspapers is eroticised by juxtaposing stories of VAWG with semi-naked or scantily clad women’. In the same report, Alison Saunders, Chief Crown Prosecutor for London, concluded that the treatment of women in the media has an impact on the justice system and jurors’ attitudes.

Last year's Leveson Report found that the tabloid press had ‘a tendency to sexualise and demean women’ and concluded that ‘there is credible evidence that it has a broader impact on the perception and role of women in society.’

Leveson's final recommendation was very clear: that any future media regulator should be able to accept submissions from groups representing women - and that consideration should be given to amending the Press Code, in order to reflect equalities legislation.

Yet the coalition's Draft Royal Charter last year included no reference whatsoever to the fact that media representation of women had even been on the agenda of the Leveson Report - and the subject seems to have been excluded from the current debate about media regulation.

So, after all this, there is still no means of holding a newspaper to account for its reporting of violence against women - either through the courts, or through the Press Complaints Commission. No More Page 3 has written a letter of complaint to David Dinsmore, Editor of the Sun, but this issue is far, far too important to be left to a small, unfunded campaign.

The latest figures show that in the U.K. 470,000 women are sexually assaulted and 85,000 raped each year and one in three schoolgirls have experienced unwanted sexual touching. As we now understand the link between media reporting and societal attitudes which are harmful to women and girls, how long are we going to allow the press to flout both National and International guidelines with impunity? The U.K. Government signed the UN Resolution last March, how long do we have to wait for them to act to ensure that it is implemented?

By Stephanie Davies-Arai

Twitter: @NoMorePage3

BriarRainbowshimmer Tue 14-Jan-14 15:10:09

Couldn't agree more.

gritts1 Tue 14-Jan-14 16:02:14

Come on Mumsnet, you led the way with the Lads Mag campaign and the Lets Girls be Girls campaign now you are way behind on this nonsense. Titty pics and sex crime in a so called (by the editor) family newspaper?!?! Please help to end this '3rd page' dinosaur.

NigellasGuest Tue 14-Jan-14 16:11:32

Hear hear

thewooster Tue 14-Jan-14 16:37:50

That's disgusting. The Sun should be ashamed of the way it treats women.

KiwiBanana Tue 14-Jan-14 16:46:38

I have to say I love the idea of no more page 3! It just feels totally ridiculous that women are still being portrayed in this way, it's so demeaning sad

I think the more people that get behind this campaign, the better. It's already growing so fast, I really think it will succeed and I'll be happy to tell my daughter that I was a small part of it.

Asagrandmother Tue 14-Jan-14 16:49:21

It is more than enough time for this portrayal of violence against women and women in General became an anachronism.

LizzyLard Tue 14-Jan-14 16:56:17

This illustrates so well why page 3 has to go. Can anybody think of a single serious news story , i.e. worthy of the first few pages of a newspaper, next to which it is appropriate to place a titillating image of a young woman standing in her pants for the sexual pleasure of some men?

The fact that they didn't move it or remove it when reporting on a rape and basic imprisonment of a woman the same age as the model gives some indication as to the respect the Sun really had for the seriousness of the crime and the care they needed to take in reporting it. Not to mention the language they used. "Sex" should never be used when you mean "rape". It is little wonder some young men and women don't know the difference.

Rollermum Tue 14-Jan-14 16:58:31

This is just so grim. The reporting of sex crimes has been sensationalist for a while now and it part of a broader issue of sexual inequality in the newspapers. No More Page Three is a great campaign.

NumanoidNancy Tue 14-Jan-14 17:14:37

I suspect lots of women on here will be of the 'i don't read it so it doesn't affect me' mind, i really hope if they read this they might change that view, even if just on behalf of all the many many women and girls that have experienced Sun page 3 related abuse. Our society is really screwed up, the fact that it is 'normal' to have a newspaper where it screams 'paedo' on the front page and then has a teenager with her tits out on the next is completely bizarre.
EVERY woman i know has had some sort of sexual harrassment, groping or assault. Its about time we joined the dots and looked at where certain mens attitudes come from. We as individuals can't fix everything, we need governments to sort stuff on the internet i guess but asking for page 3 to be changed is really no big deal at all. All you need do is think 'are there any positives reasons that it SHOULD be there?' And if there are any, are they strong enough to counteract all the negatives?
Every thinking person should be behind the NoMorePage3 campaign, its a no brainer.

Stenduffy Tue 14-Jan-14 17:31:38

Please, Mumsnet. Get behind this campaign. Let 2014 be a year of enlightenment, when women are no longer without a top on in a national newspaper. News, not boobs.

I hate the tabloid obsession with the term 'sex slave'. It's sensational.

CaptChaos Tue 14-Jan-14 17:51:35

I hate the tabloid obsession with sex, it's not news really, is it?

Please Mumsnet, surely now is the time to get behind the No more Page 3 campaign? What, that is truly newsworthy is made more so by having a young girl's breasts next to it?

cardywearer Tue 14-Jan-14 17:54:46

It would be great if mumsnet could publicly support the no more page 3 campaign. Many public bodies have already done so and over 130k people have signed the no more page 3 petition.

emcwill74 Tue 14-Jan-14 17:58:26

Everything about this is so vile! The Sun does its 'look at us, we really care about the laydeez' schtick, then puts a pic of one with her tits out next to it, so when the reader sees 'sex slave' he is actually encouraged to think of some porn-film scenario where she's 'having sex' (as opposed to being raped) with lots of people and enjoying it really. Disgusting!

Ferguson Tue 14-Jan-14 18:11:35

Do any women buy The Sun? Or is it only men?

If YOUR man buys/reads it, then persuade him not to.

Wouldn't it be great to see The Sun, and The Star, sales drop to near ZERO.

Couldn't agree more. It's disgusting. These articles read more like soft porn.

I wonder also if the "Sex Slave" was described by the colour of her hair at all within the article? The tabloids love to describe women as "blonde hairdresser" or "the victim was 21-year old brunette, Samantha Brown" etc.

They NEVER describe men in these superficial/ irrelevant terms.

Sorry, slightly off topic, but I fucking despise the way that women are viewed and represented in the media. It DOES need addressing. It DOES affect the way men/ boys think about women, and how women/ girls feel about themselves.

Madlizzy Tue 14-Jan-14 18:14:31

The Scum is a vile rag.

handsfullnow Tue 14-Jan-14 18:20:19

Such an important campaign and we as parents must make sure our voices are heard for our children's sake. The gov must be held to account for ignoring this hugely important issue - and taking VAWG seriously generally.

Derventio Tue 14-Jan-14 18:20:35

My hope is that the majority of Sun buyers are older generation and, as the tide changes on people's feelings towards this sexist paper, sales will drastically drop. In the meantime, we should all sign the No More Page 3 campaign and hold our media to account to represent women with dignity and respect in the press.

WelshMoth Tue 14-Jan-14 19:00:10

Agree re the campaign against Page 3.

Should MN commit to the campaign against this issue, they will feel my support most definitely.

You are a force now MN. Let's keep pushing these issues.

WelshMoth Tue 14-Jan-14 19:02:11

I wouldn't even use this paper as kindling.

Vile.

Tipptonenagh Tue 14-Jan-14 19:15:01

I can't think of a better example of why soft porn should not be in a newspaper. Yes this story is in the public interest but wrapped around page 3, the context is deeply inappropriate.

lornajane80 Tue 14-Jan-14 19:20:32

I remember being the same age as a girl they showed on page 3 in her school uniform, counting down the days until they could legally show her naked. In 2014 and nearly 20 years later it seems things haven't improved. I don't want my son or daughter growing up to see women treated this way, exposed to it on public transport and in waiting rooms. Come on mumsnet-step up-it's a no brainer.

IndigoWoman2 Tue 14-Jan-14 19:40:25

As a new Mumsnetter, I'm surprised to discover Mumsnet is not throwing wholehearted campaigning support behind nmp3. Page 3 is so obviously an indefensible feature of our 'civilised' society, how can we ignore or even condone it? You only have to read some of the victims' stories on the nmp3 website to see that p3 does influence some men's attitudes to women and girls in an extremely harmful way. There should be new signatories to the petition every minute... it needs to be publicised more and that's where Mumsnet can help.

TensionWheelsCoolHeels Tue 14-Jan-14 19:45:57

I wholeheartedly agree with this blog post/thread. Going to come back later and read the links too.

Me30 Tue 14-Jan-14 20:06:56

The sexualisation of women in the media has to stop, for the sake of the mental health of our children. We are creating a culture that is unrealistic and highly pressurised with false expectations of sexual relationships. Not only does this undermine our young peoples confidence but creates barriers to true intimacy later in life.

ashtrayheart Tue 14-Jan-14 20:08:07

Page 3 is outdated and offensive, but we are all killjoys if we want rid of it hmm according to some.

EauRouge Tue 14-Jan-14 20:11:03

What, MN isn't already behind NMP3?? I thought they were. Why on earth not?! shock Come on, MNHQ.

YTK1 Tue 14-Jan-14 20:27:28

Thank you Mumsnet and No More Page 3 campaign for waking people up to this stupidity that has existed since the 1970's. How ever did Murdoch get away with allowing a newspaper to report on serious issues like sex crime, sexual exploitation and child abuse alongside soft porn / titty pics / glamour shoots. It is truly bizarre that the UK accepted this nonsense.

If having soft porn in a newspaper is perfectly ok then why don't they stick the image on the front page? Don't answer, even Murdoch wouldn't dare do it.

fion Tue 14-Jan-14 20:51:05

I don't want my dear daughter growing up in a society that thinks showing a 17 year old in pants is 'a bit of fun'. Just as all those old men used to think touching young girls was harmless fun. It wasn't and it's not.Page 3 must go and I'd love to see Mumsnetters telling the Sun to shut its sordid page down. The time is right for them to show some mettle and stop dismissing these concerns as ugly middle class women who can't take a joke. That joke's not funny.

SunshineOnACrappyDay Tue 14-Jan-14 20:51:19

Page 3 should be consigned to the bin, for all of the good reasons given above, and many more on the NMP3 campaign website.

I would love MN to get fully behind this campaign.

rpitchfo Tue 14-Jan-14 20:53:37

i can't believe there are only 131k signatures. When did the campaign start?

Mowiepopolsku Tue 14-Jan-14 20:56:50

I'm appalled by the article in question. It is absolutely unacceptable that a victim of such horrific abuse should be depicted in that sexualised context and for the purpose of entertainment of the basest kind. This is like another rape, this time one in which we are all invited to participate by virtue of our assumed consent. If you don't think that is something you approve of, do make a point here and do boycott the Sun for commissioning and printing this inappropriate ill judged material.

Our media have a very strange and exploitative attitude towards women, even very young women, even teenage girls and children. A woman very rarely is portrayed without being objectified. A woman it seems, can never be a person in her own right and separate from her gender attributes. Even when she is a victim of abuse and rape there is no respect to be seen. For shame !

rpitchfo Tue 14-Jan-14 21:01:16

We respect the rights of free expression for campaigners to make whatever points they choose.

"However, we must not lose sight of the original story here. It was a well-researched report by a (female) campaigning journalist, seeking to expose the horror of sexual slavery in modern Britain. It was given exposure by the biggest-selling newspaper in Britain for the purpose of highlighting the terrible plight of some women, simply in order that action could be taken. This is an example of journalism clearly in the public interest.

"The fact that NoMorePage3 - due to the zealotry of its dislike for the Sun - should offer criticism rather than support says more about its moral and intellectual values than it does about ours.

I can't see this linked but this is the suns response

WalkingWithAGhost Tue 14-Jan-14 21:16:26

The objectification of women has no place in society. Please get behind this campaign, mumsnet! There's so many places to find bare boobies that are age appropriate, daily in a family newspaper is not necessary. To all those who say I don't buy it, why should I worry - you should worry because it contributes to the neverending 'wallpaper' of sexism that our children are subjected to - its open on trains, buses, pavements, cafes and newsagents. It's there and maybe the fact that you don't notice kinda proves it needs to go...

mercuryrev Tue 14-Jan-14 21:19:28

The response from the Sun says it all really - they are more interested in trying to discredit the No More Page 3 campaign than to address the issues of journalistic ethics that were highlighted. It is obviously in the public's interest to be made aware of these dreadful crimes, but the manner in which it is done is equally important. The Sun's juxtaposition of sex crime with soft porn is at best insensitive and at worst cruelly exploitative. Please support the No More Page 3 campaign Mumsnet!

Creeping Tue 14-Jan-14 21:52:35

There are too many adjectives that are applicable to the way this story was reported, I can't choose.

It is such a clear example of the misogyny that is rife in that paper, and when it is pointed out to them all they can do is use a strawman. As I said in another thread, using words like "sex slave" is describing rape with euphemisms and contributes in a big way, in my opinion, why these crimes are not taken as seriously as they should. It's rape apologist language and a change is absolutely needed.

The smiling naked lady reinforces the idea that a sex slave is not the same as a serial rape victim. Because women apparently like to be sexually available to strangers, preferably over breakfast, yes?

No more Page 3!

Yep, totally agree with this ^^

ClaireRise Tue 14-Jan-14 23:59:38

Page 3 must end. Full stop. Come on Mumsnet please support such an excellent campaign.

Tipptonenagh Wed 15-Jan-14 07:35:06

Absolutely IndigoWoman2 - I am also baffled as to why Mumsnet hasn't got behind No More Page 3. It really is a no-brainer!

BriarRainbowshimmer Wed 15-Jan-14 08:24:51

Perhaps because it would give the site negative attention?

Tipptonenagh Wed 15-Jan-14 08:39:35

I haven't noticed any negative comments on here at all - it's all lovely smile

EauRouge Wed 15-Jan-14 09:11:34

Perhaps because it would give the site negative attention?

I believe the answer to that is "no, I will not be quiet"

gritts1 Wed 15-Jan-14 09:23:10

YTK1, Mumsnet do not support the No More Page 3 campaign.

The Sun covers the French President's alleged affair today with a pic of the alleged mistress with her tits out.

This is how the Sun views women. Simple.

Vickiw1 Wed 15-Jan-14 10:06:01

With 2 out of 3 girls in UK schools reporting they have been abused using sexist language such as bitch and whore and 1 in 3 experiencing sexist assault, how much more proof do we need between the link between sexist violence and sexist media promoting violence as the fault of the victim. The Sun describes the woman's experience as 'sex' which is consensual ... this woman was raped by men who paid to do so. the headline suggests that this is the girl's own description of her situation which it isn't, thereby suggesting that she saw her experience of rape as consensual sex. The Sun is once again promoting violence against women and children by pretending that rape is sex by calling it that - its not and the Sun knows this goes totally against human rights legislation. How come human rights for women in the media has dropped off the agenda? Why are our MPs not representing the human rights of most of their voters?

TheDoctrineOf2014 Wed 15-Jan-14 10:19:48

I agree. "Sex slave" has raunchy, subdom, 50 shades type connotations. It should not be used to headline an article about gang rape, FFS.

AnnaH76 Wed 15-Jan-14 12:02:42

Please Mumsnet support No More Page 3 - it completely fits with what Mumsnet stands for surely!! I can't imagine any members having a problem with supporting the campaign to get t*ts out of mainstream media!!!

Rhythmisadancer Wed 15-Jan-14 13:11:30

No more page 3. In fact no more sodding Sun. What a bunch of sexist tossers - all cut from the same cloth as the pervy slebs who went on trial yesterday. Even if they are found not guilty the stories of casual endemic sexist behaviour, including assaults, are believable because they are so typical of that generation of misogynistic old gits. Time to call time on them and their sleazy rag.

amalur Wed 15-Jan-14 13:31:11

All I could say has been said in the thread but want to add my voice. Enough is enough!

IndigoWoman2 Wed 15-Jan-14 18:24:56

Come on Mumsnet, everyone seems in agreement! That's because it just makes sense. Let's do something for our daughters! Please give this issue prominence - I do believe that the naysayers are in the minority and will soon be shown to belong to the past.

WhatWouldCaitlinDo Wed 15-Jan-14 20:50:10

As well as sensationalising sex crimes, even quality paper provide much too much information on the abuse itself. I'm sure this gives abusers and would-be abusers ideas.

BriarRainbowshimmer Wed 15-Jan-14 21:06:44

I'm also concerned about the dignity and mental health of the victims. Become a victim of a serious, traumatic crime and then be made into an eroticised news story? What the hell.

GoshAnneGorilla Wed 15-Jan-14 22:29:44

I agree with all the points made so far.

However, I especially agree with WhatWould's point about how graphic the details given in the papers are. Once upon a time you would often read the words "the details of ... are not suitable for a family newspaper", now there seems to be a competition as to how salacious and overly detailed such stories can be.

I am still reeling at a victim of rape and abuse being called a "sex slave" like she's in some BDSM story.

NumanoidNancy Thu 16-Jan-14 09:51:41

They're doing a London flash mob of the campaign song soon if anyone wants to join in..

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E4xYt_b8a14

donnie Thu 16-Jan-14 12:35:20

What's new? I wrote an article just like this in my university magazine circa 1985 hmm

TheDoctrineOf2014 Thu 16-Jan-14 13:43:20

We could have hoped things had got better in 25+ years...

BriarRainbowshimmer Thu 16-Jan-14 18:23:50

What a great idea, Numanoid

NumanoidNancy Thu 16-Jan-14 19:23:45

I have details of times and venue to PM people with if anyone wants to go for a singalong, its just its a sort of word of mouth thing is all to avoid the trolls turning up and causing havoc.

IndigoWoman2 Thu 16-Jan-14 20:08:27

Sounds brilliant! I love flashmobs- the feeling of surprise and benevolent power! We women are intelligent and more than half the population, let's get our message across and spread the word. (End of mad rant...sorry!)

NiceTabard Thu 16-Jan-14 20:15:04

Couldn't agree with OP more.

NiceTabard Thu 16-Jan-14 20:19:30

One of the progs we watch on the telly I simply refer to as "women being horribly murdered". As that is what it is... The US excels at producing these shows. My pet hate is when the camera slides lovingly up a woman's near-naked body, lingers on her breasts as water slides down her skin... as she is laid out on the slab awaiting dissection. Just WTAF, FFS.

GoshAnneGorilla Thu 16-Jan-14 20:36:29

Nice - I suspect a surpringly high amount of available TV viewing is Women Being Horribly Murdered. The Fall, The Following, CSI, Criminal Minds and on and on.

NiceTabard Thu 16-Jan-14 20:45:59

Yes I know I watch most of it grin

The ongoing lack of variation in the type of person being horribly murdered is a bit dull though. And of course when a man is horribly murdered he is often neither young nor attractive, and even when he is we don't get the sexy shower shots while they're waiting for their autopsy.

NumanoidNancy Fri 17-Jan-14 10:02:53

Silence from mumsnet HQ.....

EauRouge Fri 17-Jan-14 10:33:13

I've reported the original post asking them about NMP3 support, hopefully they'll get around to it soon if there's not too much troll action today.

Has anyone been in touch with Zero Tolerance? They've been reaching out to journalists, running workshops and preparing information packs for the press for a good while on the issue of coverage of male violence against women.

Jaymus Fri 17-Jan-14 11:34:42

IMO they should not be reported as sex crimes but as 'violent' crimes. Labelling it as a 'sex' crime is deeply offensive.

TheDoctrineOf2014 Fri 17-Jan-14 11:49:35

Good idea jay.

BinkysMom Fri 17-Jan-14 14:13:26

I'm so grateful I did not grow up in Britain exposed to this stuff. I have loved living here for 10 years but I blame tabloids for the very ingrained sexist attitudes in society here. Tabloids report rape like it's almost a joke, very titillating a voyeuristic. They enjoy providing sexual details, or even making some up, to arouse their male readers and sensationalise the story. How can society here even begin to view rape as something serious when the biggest selling paper in the country, and it's influence, doesn't. Do you really need to tell tabloids not to put rape stories next to the page 3 girl???. They have editors who know what they're doing, it's obviously intentional. They pull the page 3 girl FROM THE ENTIRE PAPER when covering stories like a soldier's murder but puts stories of rape ON and NEXT to page 3? It's a level of vile that I cannot begin to comprehend. I'm happy to be part of the fight even though my children will not be raised here. Those of you who are trying to raise children in the UK definitely need to help get the papers under control. Shouldn't they be making society a better place? Does any woman actually think that The Sun has made the UK a safer more equal place for women? I don't.

NumanoidNancy Fri 17-Jan-14 14:56:58

I thought this was a good comment on one blog...

Rape doesn't occur in a vaccum that's separate from society. A contributory factor is men seeing women as things, as objects, who's bodies they have the right to use for their own pleasure.
Putting naked women in a hugely popular daily newspaper is normalising the idea that women are for men's entertainment. And no, I'm not against porn per se, or naked women in art, but in a newspaper it's so much more everyday; it makes objectification routine. Here's the weather. Here's the star signs. Here's a naked woman for you to gawp at.

I also think given that rape is a form of violence and more British women were killed by male violence last year than British troops in Afghanistan in the last three we do not look anywhere near enough at the whole issue.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 17-Jan-14 18:31:43

Hi all,

The reason we haven't officially backed this campaign thus far is that when it's been discussed in the passed opinion on whether we should has been more mixed. See here and here

We've featured blogs and re-tweeted petitions etc and it's possible that sentiment on Mumsnet has hardened in favour. We'll start a discussion in the campaigns topic to gauge current opinion and see where we get to. Would be very happy to support if the majority want us to.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 17-Jan-14 18:37:04

Message withdrawn as duplicate posting blush

NumanoidNancy Sat 18-Jan-14 11:34:45

LIKE!

NumanoidNancy Sat 18-Jan-14 12:04:09

Mind you have just read the links you gave, it seems to me that by far the majority of comments are anti page three, one or two people arguing for it but without clear signs of having read the blog post or arguments given. Slightly mystified that such a response counts as 'mixed' really, you are unlikely to get a 100% yes to anything are you? I think its important to remember that unfortunately the drip drip drip normalisation of viewing young women or girls as objects doesn't just affect men, women can be brainwashed too!

LizzyLard Sat 18-Jan-14 14:39:23

It's quite hard too to find a logical argument that isn't covered by the campaigns FAQs too www.nomorepage3.org/FAQs

FourHorseShoesoftheApocalypse Sat 18-Jan-14 19:54:59

Excellent report

"The media plays a vital role in forming attitudes towards women, and should refrain from ‘presenting them as inferior beings and exploiting them as sexual objects and commodities.’"

Agree completely, it really is time for change, would be great to see Mumsnet backing Nomorepage3.

NumanoidNancy Sun 19-Jan-14 17:22:44

Where is the new discussion please?

HeeHiles Sun 19-Jan-14 20:58:32

I couldn't put it any better than all the previous posters have. I'm in full agreement and wish things had changed over the years. I have never bought the sun or any of their ilk but this was all going on when I was in my 20's - now verging on 50 it's so sad that we are still having to be exposed to this vile crap.

emcwill74 Mon 20-Jan-14 13:38:22

Also, Justine, it should be pointed out that one of the more vocal posters supporting page 3 on those two threads is a repeat-offender banned poster who has had at least 3 known identities on here, and posts on other sites about how much he loathes MN, and MN feminists in particular. I would hardly say his views were, therefore, representative of the spirit of MN and its community.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 20-Jan-14 15:12:56

NumanoidNancy

Where is the new discussion please?

We'll start the thread this pm and link to it when it's up.

NumanoidNancy Mon 20-Jan-14 22:24:28

Thankyou!

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 21-Jan-14 11:18:16
Characterful Fri 24-Jan-14 14:49:05

Although I am heartily in agreement, what chance is there for women when it's common to 'dress up' with skirts split to the crutch, boobs totally exposed and bottoms boosted to a point where they cant be ignored? This is how some celebrities CHOOSE to be 'at their best' on a very public occasion, such as award ceremonies. That is not men's fault.

EauRouge Fri 24-Jan-14 15:28:15

Would you like to expand on your theory, Characterful ?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 24-Jan-14 16:00:06

Characterful

What have celeb clothing choices got to do with crimes of sexual violence?

LucyApr1985 Mon 27-Jan-14 16:08:53

I thought they had got rid of page 3 after the News of the World scandal. I'm shocked it still exists. Get rid of it now!

thewooster Wed 05-Feb-14 07:32:59

It's so out of order how they report these crimes. Another thing that annoys me is when they say Sacha 36GG cuddles up to David...drapes her curves over David...or David's new 36GG beauty. Why do they never describe men in the same manner?? David rocking a 5 inch stiffy bags 36GG beauty!!!

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