Bedroom above garage is freezing!

(41 Posts)
newtonupontheheath Sun 13-Oct-13 18:23:55

I am sat in ds's room what he goes to sleep and it already feels colder than the rest of the house. It's above the garage and has 2 exterior walls. I'm dreading winter... His sleep breaks because he's cold and he ends up coming into our bed and I feel awful putting him back hmm

Is there anything I can do to make it warmer? We have ds in thick pjs, he has a blanket on top of his duvet, blackout blind and lined blackout curtains

headlesslambrini Sun 13-Oct-13 18:26:49

extra rug on the floor? I'd be getting a builder in to advise if the can insulation from below i.e. the ceiling in the garage.

Doinmummy Sun 13-Oct-13 18:28:00

I have this prob with DD bedroom. Same as you, it's over the garbage and has two outside walls. I've put new carpet down with extra thick underlay. I really want to take the floor boards up and put insulation under them but couldn't afford to.

Fluffy40 Sun 13-Oct-13 18:34:50

Could you not get an electric heater, preferably with a thermostat?
A convector is best , and they are silent in use.

PoshPenny Sun 13-Oct-13 19:05:13

What about heavy curtains, like velvet or interlined ones? Might not be suitable depending on his age I guess, but what about one of those electric blankets that you can safely leave on all night? friend of mine who lived in Scotland had those, they made a BIG difference. we couldn't have managed without them as it was snowing when we went to stay with them...

busyboysmum Sun 13-Oct-13 19:09:54

We have one of these Argos Radiator in ds3's bedroom which is on an outside wall. I have it on a low heat throughout the night in winter, it is always cosy in there but not too hot. Just takes the edge off for him so he doesn't wake up cold.

dizzyday07 Sun 13-Oct-13 19:12:29

If you put his blanket under his duvet that will keep him warmer. Putting it on top crushes the air out of the duvet and that's what keeps you warm!

DD's bedroom is colder than the rest of the house. We are planning on getting her an oil filled radiator with a timer to keep her room heated overnight.

poachedeggs Sun 13-Oct-13 19:19:51

Memory foam mattress toppers cost less than £20 in Poundstretcher or similar, and make a huge difference. What about a onesie?

DS has a cabin bed and seems much warmer than he was in a single bed. He still has a summer duvet on and frequently removes his pyjamas in the night - and we're in Scotland!

Short term - extra rugs on the floor and get some wall hangings up, nice thick ones.

Long term - get the external walls insulated properly if possible and look at the possibility of insulating the garage ceiling better.

Does his room have a radiator?

newtonupontheheath Sun 13-Oct-13 20:12:12

Thanks for the replies and ideas smile

Yes, it does have a radiator... It's a new build so I'm a bit grr at it being so cold.

I'd rather not spend too much on shorter term solutions, so will get a mattress topper, blankets for the mattress and just wrap him up for the time being.

Proper insulation may be what we have to go for... Not really got the money for it but I can't have him cold, and it doesn't seem to make sense to heat it more if the heat is escaping. DHs sister works for kingspan (have only just remembered!!) so I might see if she can get us a discount on some insulation.

I started a thread like this yesterday in property and diy. can't link as on phone but I had good tips so its worth a look.

newtonupontheheath Sun 13-Oct-13 20:23:24

Ooo thanks, will do!

PigletJohn Sun 13-Oct-13 20:57:33

If it is a new build then the walls will doubtless already have cavity wall insulation slabs. Check the loft insulation is correctly thick, and not gappy except at the eaves for ventilation.

Is he old enough for an electric blanket?

Consider increasing the radiator size, preferably a longer one, else a double instead of an existing single. The same length will be less labour to change.

There may be draughts round the edge of the floor. You could temporarily seal the gap under the skirting with flexible silicone sealant.

long-term, take up the floor, fit Knauf Ecose insulation quilt tightly between the joists. This will block draugts as well as being an insulator. There will (should) already be insulation iunder the floor, but it might be thin, gappy or carelessly laid, and may be the yellow stuff that can cause dust and loose fibres. You can lay a new floor with ply which will be better than the chipboard rubbish the builders will have used. A joiner or carpenter might take a couple of days to do it at about £120-£150/day plus materials or you could DIY in a week.

Fluffycloudland77 Sun 13-Oct-13 21:51:20

You could put a smart price duvet under his fitted sheet or an electric blanket.

Thermal undies as pyjamas work well. What tog is his duvet? I've noticed 10.5 is becoming standard but I had 18 when I was young because I felt the old.

Rooms over garages are often cold from what I hear.

BeaWheesht Sun 13-Oct-13 21:55:47

We have a new build with a room with a dormer window over the garage and it has always been absolutely freezing cold. Wee had the garage converted now which has helped but is a bit extreme!

thenightsky Sun 13-Oct-13 21:59:45

I'm in a new build with my bedroom over double garage too. The floor gets too cold to walk on. I'm thinking I might have to go for thick carpet with massively thick underlay too.

<watching thread with interest>

mercibucket Sun 13-Oct-13 22:03:03

look in the attic

our new build had no insulation at all over that room shock no wonder it was bloody freezing

Fluffycloudland77 Sun 13-Oct-13 22:05:18

You can get really thick underlay on eBay, 15mm was the thickest I saw <drools>

amazonianwoman Sun 13-Oct-13 22:10:45

In the winter I use an oil filled radiator in DS's room which has 2 outside walls and gets really cold. It has a thermostat and is silent, pretty small too. Does the job well smile

fiddlemethis Sun 13-Oct-13 22:13:28

Some councils have energy efficiency tests you can have done for free. My husband goes out and does them with an infra red camera and they look at where heat loss is occuring. The window is a massive source of heatloss so secondary glazing might help.
Definitely look into cavity wall insulation, we had ours done really cheap. Our house is mega warm despite only having single glasing/old windows. My husband had also done a lot of work in the attic getting it properly insulated.

Our DD's bedroom is above the garage and when we had new carpets (when we moved in earlier this year), we asked the fitter to get the thickest underlay around - I think it's 15mm thick. We are hoping that will do the trick this winter.

I agree with trying a rug possibly (cheap ones from Ikea), and the oil filled radiators are great - very safe to leave on all night.

RenterNomad Sun 13-Oct-13 22:23:32

We lived in a (rented) Victorian house in which poor DS's room -in a newer extension- apparently had no insulation in the walls (2 external) and ceiling, so we used heating (humph) and wall hangings, which we put up without screws/nails thanks to tension rods between the window's vertical "sills" and end walls.

I have a cheapo ikea fleece blanket next to my bed and on extra cold nights I wrap it round me, under my duvet. Works a treat.

thenightsky Sun 13-Oct-13 22:27:10

My bedroom over garage combo has 3 outside walls shock

ErrolTheDragon Sun 13-Oct-13 22:30:04

My DDs room is also the cold one over the garage. Her solution is a duvet, her unzipped sleeping bag over that, sometimes a blanket (actually her old cot one!) under the other stuff (as dizzy says better under) and a nice warm dachshund to snuggle while she gets to sleep.

newtonupontheheath Mon 14-Oct-13 21:05:56

So, for tonight I have:

Layered DS up... vest, pjs and I'm going to put socks on him later.

Taken fleece blanket from the top and put on the mattress

Dug out a couple of thick cot sheets and put them under the duvet

I also have the number of a builder to call tomorrow to see if we can afford to do the insulation thing. Couldn't possibly convert the garage, where on earth would I store all the crap if I did that ;-) If we definitely can't afford the insulation this winter, it will be carpet and extra thick underlay. And possibly an oil filled radiator. DS is 3, but we could position where he couldn't get at it (and I'm assuming they get no hotter than a normal radiator?)

I have just completed a survey on our council website regarding the energy efficiency test, so hopefully will hear something back about that. I'd sort of expected us to be pretty efficient but the more I think about it, the more I reckon the builders will have just cut corners.

At the weekend, I will pop and buy a single duvet so I can fold it inside the duvet cover (as he's currently in a junior bed) so he will have the double thickness of his current duvet. Although then I may have to move the blankets as I don't want him smothered!! Will work that through when I have the duvet though.

I feel a bit happier now I have a plan... thanks so much for all the tips thanks

PigletJohn Mon 14-Oct-13 21:58:07

the big advantage of the oil-filled radiators is that unlike most electric heaters, there is no red-hot element. You must not put clothes or anything on top, but unlike most electric heaters, if you do, I don't believe they could catch fire. I don't know how hot the surface gets, but IIRC if you pick one up without using the handles, it is hot enough to make you put it down, but not hot enough to burn or blister. Maybe hot like a teapot.

A large one, with a thermostat, set to half power, will not get as hot as a small one set to full.

Come spring, they will be on sale at half price or less sad

I got mine at £4 each in Wickes summer clearance.

newtonupontheheath Mon 14-Oct-13 22:36:42

£4 shock I might see if I can get hold of one anyway at that price, just in case the boiler is ever on the blink!

I only be worried about ds walking into it in the night, but the way his bedroom is laid out, he gets out of bed and walks towards his door if he wakes in the night. So I'm sure he'd be one if it was to the side of the room.

I've just been up to check him and it's not too bad in there tonight. I closed the curtains as soon as I got in from work which seems to have made a difference too.

ohforfoxsake Mon 14-Oct-13 22:40:15

Have the free insulation offers provided by energy companies definitely finished? I had someone round last year to survey. Found out about it on moneysavingexpert? Worth a look?

valiumredhead Mon 14-Oct-13 22:42:40

Electric blanket? Safe and washable these days and very cheap to use.

valiumredhead Mon 14-Oct-13 22:44:43

The night sky-mine has 2 outside walls but that includes huge French windows-gets a bit nippy!

steppemum Mon 14-Oct-13 22:52:20

The easiest way I have found with samll people is to buy all in one fleece pjs, like a onsie with feet. You wear normal pjs inside, so it is like a body blanket. You wear it in bed, and then duvet on top.

Toddler duvets/cheap duvets are often only 9 tog. Get a 15 tog one (rather than fold a cheap one)

I agree about squashing duvet, but a thin lightweight blanket, put on top and then tucked in on both sides means that there are no drafts, and the duvet stays put.

Hot water bottle is also good as it warms bed up. You can put adult one in ahead of bed time, and it will have cooled (check) by bed time. or remove it. Or get microwave teddy.

As a teen my attic bedroom had no heating. I slept with 2 duvets and a huge over blanket to stop drafts. i was warm in bed (just when I got out I froze!)

PigletJohn Mon 14-Oct-13 23:48:49

the summer sales are long gone. You can probably get half-price bikinis and suntan lotion now.

the cheapest oil filled radiator I found now is 20 at Tesco. It is a small one of only half a kW output but will help in a bedroom.

They are usually in the 1500W to 2500W range, but you must get a built in thermostat with a large one or it may overheat the room and waste energy. Preferably not with its own timer, though, because IME timers on heaters get noisy, and are the first part to fail.

Ordinary electric convectors and fan heaters can be much cheaper, but are nowhere near as safe unless you but something like a wall-fixed Dimplex for £hundeds

More on here

I would definitely go for one with wall brackets. It might be buried in the product details or written on the box

NoComet Tue 15-Oct-13 00:07:45

Google fleece mattress cover/protector

Parents used to have one, makes a huge difference to how warm the bed feels. Much easier to wash and dry than a mattress topper.

DD2 has our coldest room and she just sleeps on/wrapped in a fleece blanket under her quilt.

She's 12, but she's sorted this out for years, she also insists in keeping her socks on.

Also if it's a slatted kids bed, an old blanket under the mattress may help.

newtonupontheheath Tue 15-Oct-13 15:37:53

Oh gosh, yes... It's a slatted base and low down (near the cold floor!!) so will do something about that before tonight. Maybe a rug under his bed? Then a fleece under the mattress?

His duvet isn't very thick; it's the only cot bed one we could find at the time (it's still a proper duvet though, not just one of those coverlets) This is his first proper winter in this room so in his old room it wasn't an issue.

Thanks for all your suggestions... But for those suggesting fleece, is it not really sweaty? I'm not a huge fan of those fleece onsies as I fine the man made fabric means my skin can't breathe and I get all sweaty (nice!) What is your experience of using them on toddlers/children?

newtonupontheheath Tue 15-Oct-13 15:38:50

Oh and how would an electric blanket work in case of bed wetting?! blush

valiumredhead Tue 15-Oct-13 15:46:01

They are washable nowsmile

valiumredhead Tue 15-Oct-13 15:47:16

A fleece blanket UNDER the bottom sheet is warm but not sweaty.

newtonupontheheath Tue 15-Oct-13 17:31:48

I mean those fleecey suits... Fleece next to skin?!

valiumredhead Tue 15-Oct-13 17:52:24

Ds used to wear a fleece all in one suit but with a cotton onesie vest underneath. He was in them until he was 4 as his room was like fridgegrin

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