Anyone work for baby music percussion groups or no anyone?

[musicmaker]

Hello

Bit bored now at home but dont want to work full time and already looked into part time jobs but they all seem boring, I have taken my dd to a few Jo Jingles classes and she loved them and so did I. I would actually like to have a go. I was wondering if anyone knows the kind of salary you would receive to teach this classes? I know there are a few different ones in my area. I am not bothered really about how much I get but Im just interested before I approach them.

Anyone around to help?

[musicmaker]

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[musicmaker]

Good evening, anyone around who can answer my question?

[blossom2]

i thought most of the music classes were a franchise. Why not have a look at the websites for Jo Jingles. Other music class names are:
Music for little people
Monkey Music

hth

[musicmaker]

hello blossom

i looked at their websites before and they just have a section allowing you to email if you want to work with them. I am interested in how much they get paid. I dont think they would tell me if i asked.
I know the monkey music and jo jingles near me have a quite a few different people doing classes.

[Yorkiegirl]

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[musicmaker]

Hello just checked that out - sounds a bit dodgy!

The training is all done on-line and on videos - that cant be right. How do they know for sure that people working under their name are good enough???

[Yorkiegirl]

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[milliways]

My DS went to a Kindermusic class & loved it but it was run by the local Young Musicians Trust (Berkshire) - NOT a franchise, and all teachers were qualified. They went up to age 7, learnt to read music, sing in parts, Learnt on a glockenspiel and were fed into recorder, violin & other groups. Why not see if your local authority has such a group as the kindermusic classes are always opversubscribed.

[musicmaker]

hello

i was thinking more of a music group that introduces children to rhythm and different styles of music with lots of games and song not so much importance on learning to read and play an instrument, less emphasis on eduation and more on fun. i have found alot of the classes bang on about the educational benefits. Is this really the main concern for parents? When I take my child to music classes, I am just looking for 45 minutes of fun, games and time for her to socialise, nothing more afterall she is a toddler.

I am a musician and play by ear but I can read music a little. I organise musicical games with all the babies I know and we have lots of fun - all my friends have been encouraging me for over a year to try and work for a music group but if it means I need to be qualified and be able to teach children notation and how to read music then I'll have to scrap that plan as I cant but I can play hundreds of songs and games and I can keep their attention for 45 mins with lots of cheers and giggles - is that not enough?

I hope so... otherwise it will mean back to the drawing board.

i need a job with children as i am so comfortable around them and really enjoy it. i'll never be able to work in an office again!

[musicwithvanessa]

Hi
Just seen the messages on teaching a music programme to children. I am the Area Developer for Kindermusik in the UK and posted a message a while back. Kindermusik is the worlds leading music and movement programme with endorsement by childhood experts. Its not an expensive franchise, so start up is low - you train to become a licensed educator - with a combination of online training and home based learning. I did it 3 years ago and now have a large programme teaching in Camberley. Its fun as well as being high quality.You do have to meet a certain standard to get through. Feel free to e mail me or call me for more info

[musicmaker]

hello

im just not sure i would benefit from the training alone at home. it would make it so much easier to hold workshops surely?

how long does it take someone from the start of your training to setting up the classes? do you pay for advertising, venue costs and public liability and personal accident insurance? Do you also handle the crb forms/criminal records on behalf of the trainee?

sorry for all the questions - just interested?

can you run the classes your own way, like I would prefer to concentrate more on games and songs with percussion instruments rather than the serious side of learning to read music and instruments. are the lessin plans given to you or do you have freedom to create them yourself and are you monitored - how is this done.

[musicmaker]

excuse bad grammer - that should read lesson plan...

[SueW]

Have you requested info from Jo Jingles , Musical Minis and \link{http://www.caterpillarmusic.com/Caterpillar Music} ?

I know the women who run two out of three of the above locally. Both have set up within the past 2-3 years; both businesses have expanded quickly and the demand is huge and they both love their jobs . According to the website, Caterpillar Music franchises start at £5295 but there's nothing to stop you looking into starting your own business from scratch which would avoid a heavy outlay at the beginning especially if you are already doing it informally with friends.

[SueW]

Caterpillar Music

[Hulababy]

We go to Gymboree Music. It's great fun and has classes from very young to pre-school. I think it is a franchise so there maybe more information on their website.

[musicwithvanessa]

Kindermusik is the worlds leading music and movement programme for children newborn to 7 years. Its not an expensive franchise ( these range from ca £5000 to £10000). You certainly dont feel isolated when you are training. You become licensed by doing an online training ( ca £ 220) in a learning group of around 20 people with a mentor, plus observing groups outside etc. If you move you take your license with you. You are licensed by week 10 and the course complete by week 15 - you can do it faster. Advertising is down to you but you are given alot of advice here and you will also benefit from advertising by Kindermusik UK Ltd. You are also responsible for CRB checking and insurance but again pointers (best deals etc) are given here.
Kindermusik provide lesson plans that you should follow though there is alot of scope for personalising. In the last 2 months I have enrolled 15 people across the UK and Ireland as people recognise the business potential. Lots more info on the UK website - www.kindermusik.co.uk

[musicmaker]

Thank you Sue - very helpful

[musicmaker]

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[hovely]

what do you pay for classes?
around here the going rate seems to be £3 a session for the most basic type of class (ie nearly all singing, not many props) up to £5.50 a session for something more fancy with instruments. i think Jo jingles said they were £4 a sesh. As far as i can see most class leaders do a maximum of 5 classes a week, with 12-15 children in a class - so that's a gross receipt of maybe £200-£300. Subtract insurance, hall hire, publicity, some outlay on tambourines and the like, and presumably there is a fee to pay the franchise holder? (I don't know how these things work). It's not going to make a fortune, but it could be a useful income.

[musicmaker]

Thank you - sessions round my area range between £4.50 - £5. Went to a class last Saturday for £3.50 and it was so rubbish, I could not beleive they would expect people to come back, they had no enthusiasm and no relation to children, they almost felt uneasy. I felt like I had to make my dd enjoy it - otherwise she would have cried!!! So I guess thats why they charged £3.50

[musicwithvanessa]

I charge £4.50 a class. So in a class of 12 I make around £48 (once hall fee deducted) for a 45 min class. Multiply this up by the number of classes you teach - I run 13 - and it gives you a reasonable income. I dont pay franchise fees - a license fee of around £50 per year.

[musicmaker]

Wow - that is alot of money for fun!!!

I heard somewhere that women say on average 6000 - 8000 words a day compared to men who say 2000 - 3000 so if you do that many classes you must only have a few a hundred words left by the time you get home. My dh would be happy with that, he would have very peaceful evenings.

Seriously though, I sing and play songs with my friends babies and after an hour we are all shattered with very dry throats - how do you do it? Tell me your secret!

Do they tell you how to cater the classes for different ages, I notice children under 18 mths dont really understand or copy commands, they seem to be better off playing lap games - 18 mths is a hard age to know what they like and how much they understand. I think that must be the hardest thing, knowing what the agre group is capable to plan your lesson.

[musicwithvanessa]

Yep its a great way to make some income!
The training teaches you all you need to know on what to teach to the different age groups to ensure its developmentally appropriate. So you are able to teach all age groups from newborn up to 7 years. I don't tend to get dry throat from all the classes - I think your voice gets stronger, the more you do. I drink loads of water!