At what point do you mention your children?

(28 Posts)
Episode Wed 20-Mar-13 17:11:13

Have an interview tomorrow and although I have not wanted to believe that mentioning the children on your CV makes a difference, I've been invited for 3 interviews in one week of taking them off after no reponses for almost 4 months! The position is part time and one of questions asked will be my preferred working hours, and I'd like to coordinate these around the school run! Do I mention the school run as my reason for the exact hours chosen or do I avoid? If the answer is avoid, do I mention the children when/if I get the job? Will that not come across as dishonest?

sjupes Sun 24-Mar-13 18:42:59

i went back to work after dd was born and my head boss didn't realise i had a dd till 2 months in - poor mite just never came up in conversation.

my workmates and manager knew but it wasn't 'on file' iyswim.

i see no reason for you to mention the kids at all tbh unless it comes into conversation or there is an emergency at some point.

MrsMargoLeadbetter Sun 24-Mar-13 18:31:08

Fingers crossed Episode. Do update us!

Episode Fri 22-Mar-13 14:50:08

Apologies for typos, on phone!

Episode Fri 22-Mar-13 14:48:24

The reality is that most recruiters do not consider a part time/flexible working pattern when in fact there are a lot of full time roles that suit and can be equally a productive with just that. Unfortunately getting most recruiters to change there perception of time will not come at application or pre interview stage and as a Mother where the working world (or actually the whole world) is tough, something usually has to give and potentially wasting an hour of somebody time in good faith in my list of priorities, what will give!

Regardless, MrsMargo I may not have to do this, the interview went well! Fingers crossed, I should hear something today or Monday I think!

MrsMargoLeadbetter Fri 22-Mar-13 10:39:52

OP - how did it go???

suebfg Thu 21-Mar-13 19:58:22

I can see that is a waste of time for you but that is because the candidates weren't up front about it. I've made it clear that I am up front about it so that doesn't waste anyone's time (apart from potentially mine in making the application).

It's a waste of my time when I advertise a full time position, sift through dozens of applications, invite six potential candidates to an interview and reserve a whole day for two partners to make up the panel. Each interview lasted about 45 mins, and only at the end of the interview did both these candidates say that they wanted a part-time post.

suebfg Thu 21-Mar-13 19:39:56

It wastes no one's time when it is fully discussed with the agency first and my CV goes across to the client knowing that I am after part time hours. It is then for the client to decide whether or not to interview me.

I am highly skilled in what I do and often companies struggle to find good quality people with my skills. My current role is one that was advertised as full time but they couldn't find the right candidate hence why I was contacted.

NatashaBee Thu 21-Mar-13 18:37:52

I have to agree, AgentProvocateur. I've had similar and it just suggests they haven't read the job advert fully. If you want to ask about part time hours, I would mention that in your initial application, or at least when the company calls to invite you for interview.

Can I say, as a recent interviewer, that applying for a FT role then asking to for PT hours at the interview does not go down well. Out of six candidates, two did this. The role was advertised as full time for a reason. It was a huge waste of our time as interviewers, and also of the candidates' time.

lljkk Thu 21-Mar-13 18:20:50

I just would not have the brass to do that. <<Bows in Homage>>

suebfg Thu 21-Mar-13 06:54:25

Most of the jobs I apply for go via an agency. So I submit my CV as usual and then if the agency call me, I raise it then. Sometimes the conversation stops there, but sometimes it doesn't. Hiring managers tend to think they need someone full time and don't even consider that the work could be done on a part-time basis.

You will also find that the public sector are much more open to the idea of flexible working/job shares etc but the private sector is getting better and home working is more prevalent there.

Definitely worth a try IMO smile

Episode Wed 20-Mar-13 22:30:25

Also, this site www.simplyhired.co.uk works on a key word search and crawls all other job sites. You can search by part time, your local area, job title or whatever! Its excellent and cuts my job search time by 3 quarters, plus picks up jobs I would never have come across otherwise!

Episode Wed 20-Mar-13 22:28:27

I think I should start doing that, it opens up the job market by 95% doesn't it? Are you mentioning wanting part time hours in interviews or on the initial application. If tomorrow does not go as good as I think it will, I will be following your lead!!!!

suebfg Wed 20-Mar-13 21:27:30

Good luck. I'm applying for full time roles and then raising before interview that I want part-time hours. It's very difficult but if you don't ask you don't get!

Episode Wed 20-Mar-13 21:20:44

Yes suebfg that's what I thought but now I think I am comfortable with mentioning them if the exact context to mention them arises! As nippy said it should be about my suitability for the role and that's it.

Thank you all for your good luck wishes! I was a professional blagger in my heyday, feeling pretty nervous now!

Kids change so much sad

Episode Wed 20-Mar-13 21:09:44

It's good you have the opportunity for only one of you to work and that little bit of less pressure at home takes the edge of job hunting I suppose! Good luck to you and hopefully the sahd role works out. That's rare although it shouldn't be, you have a winner there wink

NippyDrips Wed 20-Mar-13 21:09:30

I don't think your children are relevant to your ability to do the job. That is personal and would be like informing them of your sexuality, diet or interior design preferences. Not necessary.

Good luck!

suebfg Wed 20-Mar-13 21:07:30

I wouldn't make explicit reference to children on my CV but I always explain that 9 month gap as having had time off to have a child.

I think honesty is the best policy. There's a good chance that whoever is interviewing you has children too and understands the juggling that goes on.

I've been for an interview this week and have been completely open about the hours I want and why. I see the VP of this company at the school gates at the same time as me, so it's evident that juggling goes on at all levels smile

I wouldn't want to work for an organisation that didn't understand that I have commitments outside of work.

Episode Wed 20-Mar-13 21:01:25

MrsMargo you have given me words of wisdom on the freelance board in the past (name changed since) and again your perspective is valuable! Having considered what you have said, I'm not just reassured but also think it's for the best that children are not mentioned! Thank you

lljkk Wed 20-Mar-13 20:40:25

Ah shucks. smile blush blush

How bad is that!
Well yeah, indeed. hmm angry
I really shouldn't be surprised, though. sad
Sadly my career break is 8yrs so a bit of date fudging won't suffice for me.

Bloody Hell, though. angry

I wish you best of luck, all the same. My mother said taking dates off her cv was the only thing that finally got her job interviews, too. DH is talking about becoming a SAHD for a year or 2 as soon as I get a job (he is fed up with his current job) so then I could concentrate hard on rebuilding my career, at last.

MrsMargoLeadbetter Wed 20-Mar-13 20:38:13

Wow, well done on the run of interviews.

I'd agree with other posters, just state your prefered hours. I am sure most employers offering pt hours know that it will appeal to some women with children.

Previously (freelance now) as somebody interviewing I would always be wary of anyone that went out of their way to explain 'personal issues' eg kids, carer obligations, commute concerns in an interview. It did worry me that they weren't going to be committed to the role or we giving me a heads up that they have time off etc.

Best of luck.

Episode Wed 20-Mar-13 20:16:02

That sounds entirely reasonable maternitygold but I've not started a new job since having dc's so have no new position/interview experience as a mother! I was just concerned that it would appear dishonest and since it such a huge thing, a bit slippery (for want of a better word) for me not to mention. I won't mention a thing if it's not the done thing, I'm not particularly bothered about little white lies to progress iyswim! Although, I'd definitely have less reservations if it were in a larger company but it's in a small team of 5!

Episode Wed 20-Mar-13 20:08:36

Btw lljkkI lurked on the return to work support thread a few weeks back and your posts had me in stitches! Have you considered blog writing? Your humor comes across amazingly yet subtle when written! I've remembered your name because of how funny they were and I'm not a mn regular! I hope your not still building furniture grin

Maternitygold Wed 20-Mar-13 20:07:09

How many children you have, what ages they are, etc. have nothing to do with your professional life. You should NOT be writing about them in your CVs and not bringing them up in interview. You are not hiding anything ... That is your personal life and wouldn't bother your employer. Like someone said state your preferred hours, flexible working etc. you don't need to state your reason unless prodded.

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