How much extra money does a school get for each child on the G&T register?

[peanutbutterkid]

Some MNNers said the school gets extra dosh for each child, but this Guardian article says schools don't get extra money for putting children on the register (Independent article says it's only schools in bad areas that get extra funding for G&T register). I couldn't find any definitive info. Which is it? How do I know if our school is in a bad enough area (I doubt it, but am not sure). How much per head if any?

[fembear]

The Independent article (dated 12.07.06) was probably referring to the Excellence in Cities scheme, which has finished. The Guardian article is dated 28.08.07 but I think that it is still true that there are no financial rewards for putting kids on the register.
Don't you think that it is likely that schools would be a bit more keen on G&T if they thought any money flowed from it?

Actually, I don't know how you would finance G&T now since the kids are no longer defined by any objective yardstick but are simply the 'top 10%' (no matter how good/bad their cohort). Thus every school would have the same proportion of G&T kids and the same proportion of funding, which makes it a zero sum game.

[peanutbutterkid]

Ah but on the numerous recent anti-G+T threads, some (?lots) people are saying that schools get extra money for each pupil on the G+T register pack of lies, were those statements?

[LadyGlencoraPalliser]

They do not. They are expected to have provision for G&T kids but there is no extra funding allocated to provide it.

[bamboostalks]

Not a penny, just hassle.

[Reallytired]

Schools have most of their SEN money devolved to them, ie. children get help on school action or school action plus. The amount of money given to a school depends on the schools social circumstances.

Schools have to provide funding for the first 15 hours of one to one LSA time on statement. It would be a bit ridicolous to suggest that a gifted and talented child needs more than the equivalent funding of 15 hours of one to one.

The logic is to allow schools to decide where the money should go and free up educational pschologists. The advantages of this is the speed that extra help can be provided and the disadvantage is that inate unfairness and randomness that funding is allocated. Ie. a child might get quite a lot of help in one school and none in another depending on whether the SENCO thinks the child is deserving.

[peanutbutterkid]

Why hassle, bamboo?

Reallyired --

1. Why doesn't SEN money only go to kids with SEN?
   
   
2. "school action plus", what is that?
   
   
3. LSAs only work with SN and SEN kids, to my knowledge, at our school. Do LSAs work with G+T kids at some schools, though, is that what you're saying?
   
   (WELL, teach me to not believe everything I read on MN in future, then)

[Reallytired]

"1) Why doesn't SEN money only go to kids with SEN?"

Gifted and talented is a form of SEN.

SEN stands for special educational need. The "S" is for special not stupdid. Its for any child who has needs not easily accomodiated in the classroom. Gifted children do have special educational needs and if the school feels they need extra one to one then the money to pay for it comes out of the SEN pot.

"2) "school action plus", what is that?"

Its when the school gets advice from outside professionals. For example if a child had speech problems then they would seek advice from a speech an language theraphist. Or if a child had mental health issues then they would seek advice from appriopate medical people.

"3) LSAs only work with SN and SEN kids, to my knowledge, at our school. Do LSAs work with G+T kids at some schools, though, is that what you're saying?"

It is very much up to the school and teacher. An exceptionally gifted and talented child would have an IEP (individual education plan) and targets. The school and the teacher can choose which children get one to one time with an LSA. It is very rare to a have child who is so academically so ahead to justify it though.

Yes, LSAs do work with G+T kids in a lot schools. Infact most schools LSAs work with small groups of children of all different ablities. A teacher will want to work with all the class at different times of day. Or an LSA will hear a child read on a one to one basis.

[Reallytired]

Oop, I can't type "stupid". Its obvious that as my pregnancy progresses that I became less and less ungifted and untalented.

[Overmydeadbody]

peanutbutterkid the best people to ask are probably the staff at your DC's school, or your local LEA.

But, SEN includes G&T kids.

[roisin]

We certainly don't get G&T money per head.

But there is various G&T money sloshing around in the system from various grant bodies and trusts. So if you want to do something in school if you dress it up as a "G&T" event, there are pots of money you can tap into atm. (We are in deprived area though, so that may explain it.)

[Blandmum]

No G and T budget per child, but there is a little general money in the pot.

Not much but a bit.

No extra money for children with SEN of SA and SA+ either. they only 'bring money' when statemented.

Children entering year 7 with a statemnet are at a level where 5 years aso they would have gone to a special school. SEN moeny is very thin on the ground

[roisin]

At our school as well as money for statemented children, we also get extra cash for SEN based on CATs results. I don't know the details, but it depends on the % of children who score below XXX on the CATs tests.

[singersgirl]

Our borough recently got their numbers muddled and gave out dosh based on children above the level, rather than below the level (I'm sure it wasn't quite that simple, but that was how it was paraphrased to me); cue lots of red faces and the LEA trying to claw back hundreds of thousands across all the borough schools. Many of them had already committed the overspend on eg new support staff.