Anyone had professionals thing their dd was autistic then talented?(21 Posts)
Had years of trying to find out what's going on with 5 year old dd, they are not comfortable with autism but say she is different and are taking time to get to know her more. Last week they said she could be very special and hinted at gifted and talented - she is amazingly creative. Could this be a reason for autistic traits?
Very intelligent/gifted and autistic is entirely possible.
I am not sure it is liely that being gifted would cause autistic traits but people can be gifted and asd.
they are never comfortable with a label. One requires money and the other does not.
My 6 yr old is autistic.. we have fought tooth and nail to get him to statement stage. He currently is teaching himself french and spanish.. speaks to me in either language getting me to plead to him to speak in english. Don't get me started on the sodden Russian he went through a phase of doing.
take from that what you will. I was hauled to the family mental health unit and she asked why he was there as he's obviously autistic.
what are your gut instincts telling you.. is there many differences between her and her peers?
many people on the autistic spectrum are very gifted/talented.... they aren't mutually exclusive
Dd has autism, her HT says she is exceptional, I'd say she is pretty bright. She uses her intelligence to mask the autism and so it's really difficult to spot. She was dx'ed at two and statemented at three but had she instead been seen at six I'd say firstly school wouldn't have had any concerns and secondly I'd guess that health professionals would most likely not have given a diagnosis but ummed and aahed instead.
What are your feelings? Do you think she needs a diagnosis? You could always request a referral to a specialist diagnostic service for a second opinion?
There is a lot of cross over. Look at Dabrowski's Overexcitabilities - many parents of gifted children feel that these descriptors fit their children better than those of autism. Although of course you can be both gifted and autistic. There is also the theory that giftedness is just an extension of the spectrum so it isn't really all very clear at all!!
I would have to agree with gamer hick that LEAs take funding into account making the emphasis for a diagnosis on the parent. I have a 5 yr old DS who is also very bright. He gets targeted help in school due to his autism diagnosis but the TA can also use the time to support more advanced learning with him to avoid boredom. I would recommend pushing for a diagnosis as whether DS is gifted or has aspergers any extra support can only help in my opinion.
I would be interested to know if DS is happy at school as if not I would say you are entitled to some support for her.
Yes, in Reception they thought he was autistic and then it was Aspergers in Years 2 and 4 (including opinion of school EP). Private Clinical Psychologist said absolutely not. This is a really useful book that was recommended by NAGC: www.amazon.co.uk/Misdiagnosis-Diagnoses-Gifted-Children-Adults/dp/0910707677/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381661630&sr=8-1&keywords=misdiagnosis+and+dual+diagnoses+of+gifted+children+and+adults. DS has most of the common traits but he also has all the indicators against a dx of Aspergers. Just because you are quirky and eccentric does not mean you have Aspergers.
My DS is only 3.4 but earlier this year his preschool thought he was showing signs of aspergers/ autism. HV came round to see him and she thinks he is very intelligent and his preschool was not giving him enough stimulation, she said some clever children especially boys need a high level of stimulation. Have changed to new preschool from Sept and so far so good he seems to be loving it, they have said that whilst they can't say there is nothing wrong they can't see anything that would give them cause for concern so its just a case of wait and see. Whilst he is what you would call academically advanced he doesn't really come across as intelligent until you've spent time with him as he can tend to be silly/ immature, whereas some of the more intelligent girls (always seemed to be girls!) at his preschool just seemed very forward from the way they acted so people would naturally assume they were intelligent and perhaps treat them in a slightly different way
What is the purpose of this Aspergers label? Some children are just quick and bright. My son knew his alphabet randomly,at 16 months,and could read words at 2. He was simply interested.
I hadn't come across Dabrowski's overexcitabilities until I read it on this post a few days ago - I looked it up and it matches my daughter (and my sister and I and probably my mum, aunt and grandmother who have all had erm 'differences' to everyone else) perfectly. My other daughter has some of the things but the one with the problem behaviour really does seem to match these. Thank you for mentioning them chauffeurmummy.
I now just have to get the school to recognise she HAS these behavioural problems. they think she is fine because she is good at school but I have to deal with the explosions and breakdowns within minutes of leaving school every day and I am on my knees it is so draining. she doesn't have any social interaction problems, she just seems to have terrible problems processing emotions, dealing with unfairness etc and is extremely bright. she sees the world in a very different way to most people but sadly this tends to make her a very unhappy and confused little person.
The important thing is that she is obviously much loved and understood by you. That is why she is doing so well out there.
It is possible for a child to be twice exceptional and have autism and be gifted. I believe that about 10% of people with autism have savant ablities. (Ie. a gifted in a particular area for example perfect pitch, maths skills, drawing)
Rather than getting hung up about a label the important thing is the child has the right enviroment to flourish.
I had heard of "Dabrowski's Overexcitabilities" until reading this thread earlier - thank you for mentioning it, as having spent the evening reading up on it - my DD not only ticks most boxes on all areas, we suddenly have an answer to a lot of difficult stuff that has been going on with her emotionally of late - but we had previously been putting down to a diagnosed health condition, that is in part to blame, but this makes FAR more sense, especially how badly she is affected by her massive perfectionist streak at the moment, to the extent of making her self more ill.
It's funny, our friends DS is autistic & I have at times over the years wondered if my DD hadn't been so very gregarious if they may have tried to pin a mild version of that on her too, reading up on the Dabrowski's Overexcitabilities - makes so much sense.
Thank you & sorry for the hijack
I've just had the opposite happen
Dd has always been seen as talented. & very focused, single minded in her passion
She's now at a specialist school for her particular talent & her teachers think she may also be on the spectrum
Her younger brother is currently undergoing diagnosis for aspergers.
Hmm, well, you can read the Misdiagnosis and Dual Diagnosis of Gifted kids book if you are interested.
Ds is gifted. And ADD. And Aspergers traits. Or possibly just gifted. AT&T he mo he has a dual diagnosis and so is officially 2e, but who knows for sure, really.
Essentially, it doesn't matter. You support the needs of the child, not the label, and so any diagnosis can be your route to additional support.
Theoretically, it's easier to treat the symptoms if you know the cause, but in all honesty, most practitioners, whether health or ed, will just cast about and try different stuff until they something that works, or at least improves whatever the focus area is at that particular time...
Dd2 is 2e as well, but she has a physical disability. She displays ALL the traits of aspergers at different times, but hers is very definitely caused by slight social awkwardness due to her disability, and her gifted ness. She's way more gifted than her bro, in any case, so maybe that makes it easier to spot the cause of certain other oddities...
That's really interesting. Dd has been g&t at school in various subjects for a few years but I keep thinking she has AS. Am still not convinced she doesn't. Her stepbrother has AS. Off to google the excitable thingies.
Only one of my four children is autistic, and only one is gifted. Yes, it's the same one.
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