Friend has suggested IQ test for my 2 year old(33 Posts)
My friend is a nursery manager, she has worked with kids for about 15 years and today she said to me that she thinks my little boy should have an IQ test. She said it will be better for me to know if he is gifted before we get to school so that I am able to give him the right help and so the teachers will be able to set work according to his level.
TBH I feel a bit silly asking but as I only have my son (and my nephew, who is on a similar level) to compare to, I really have no idea whether what is is doing is average or not. Both boys have always been ahead of the milestone charts, but aren't most kids!
Anyway, he is 2 years and 7 months and can write his name. He can also type out any word you like on a keyboard if you tell him the letters but he can type Daddy and Mummy and his own name without me spelling them out. He can also point to the letters if you have a poster of the alphabet. If he sees a shop sign/road sign/writing on his, he will spell out the letters in it and ask me what it says. If you show him a word with one letter missing and read the word, he can identify the missing letter (most of the time). He can identify any number up to about 30 on his own but will have a go at higher ones (saying thirty ten for forty etc). He knows how many of something I am holding. He asks me questions like 'What does sand do?' when we were at the beach or 'Where does the moon go?' at night. I asked him to spell cat in the magnetic letters at my mums house - he did (but hasn't repeated that one since without me spelling it out!). Hes bilingual, loves singing, shapes and colours (knows all of them) and can tell the time but only if its on the dot of 2pm/3pm etc he cant tell half past or quarter past etc. He does not stop running around and hates loud noises, but is a really sociable little fellow.
Is an IQ test necessary? What will it prove? Could I just continue helping him at home? Are there any online resources? Sorry for all the questions
OP, please don't waste your money. And don't label your child and expect amazing things from him just because he is a bright toddler - the pressure is horrible. I have seen it in many families... "he used to be so clever...etc etc".
Snowolf why do you need to test a 20 month baby? Just let him be. He is clever, good for him. You know it. That's enough. There are more things in life than intelligence. Or is it that you want the world to know it too?
There are many different forms of intelligence and IQ tests only test for one kind.
My ds was similar at that age. He's in reception now and at the top end (one of the younger in the year) but not outstandingly so. He's always been good on wat you'd call the academic side but struggled with other stuff, potty training he was very late.
I really do not think tests would be accurate. He certainly sounds very intelligent. I'm not really sure of the point (unless for any problems that may/may not arise at a later date).
Maybe you could do it at a later date, where a test result maybe required to help formulate an action plan for an issue that has arisen.
I don't think an IQ test would gain much.... if anything it could be rather irritating to teachers in you head into reception with a piece of paper saying 'my child has a high IQ'!.... rightly or wrongly I'm afraid that teachers often react against parents telling them that their child is exceptional. Just leave the teachers to find it out for themselves.... it won't take them long.
Our son knew all his letter sounds by 2.10 years, by 3 he was writing word on our whiteboard like 'queen'. He finished all the Oxford Reading Tree up to stage 10 in nursery and read the Hobbit age 5. He is now 6 and enjoying Lord of the Rings. He's a great reader but I don't see him as genius... very good at reading with excellent vocab and comprehension/spelling.... but this is just one area of the curriculum. He can't swim yet! The lovely thing is that he doesn't know how good he is at Literacy - we homeschool.
Agree with the others.
I'd add that before 4 years, IQ tests are necessarily very limited in scope and consequently not very informative or reliable. Only to be considered in rather exceptional circumstances (a healthy happy possibly gifted child is not an exceptional circumstance). If you are dead set on "knowing" your child's IQ, waiting until at least age 6 is sensible.
I am not sure what the point of assessment at this stage is really. I have a ds who did all of the above and remains advanced.We haven't had him assessed (mostly because it didn't occur to us). I have no idea what would be different if we did. He is at a good state school where they differentiate weIl and - while I have questions as we go - he is doing fine. DH and I both have first class Oxbridge degrees, read early and had many g&t traits. Neither of us were assessed early or think that if we had been it would have made the blindest difference. I have a brother who for a variety of reasons was assessed, with a v v v high iq score at a young age. He had an immensely tough time at school and the outcomes for him weren't good - left school at 16 for eg.
Bluntly I am not sure what the point of assessment is. If your child is super bright it will be addressed when they are at school (although you should question the school so you are confident they can differentiate well) and then you and the school should work together to ensure they are accounting for any specific areas where extra focus would be beneficial.
What specific outcomes are you expecting or hoping for?
My son is 20 months he can recite the alphabet, both letters and phonetically, counts to 30 and counts backwards from 10, and can fill in missing numbers if you show him 2 numbers and a space. he knows all shapes and says them including trapezium parallelogram, octagon pentagon hexagon, but I can't find anyone that will assess him at his age.
I'm not sure about an IQ test as I have no experience of them but it might be worth contacting your local HV team and asking them to do something called a Schedule of Growing Skills. DS has just had one and because the results showed he was advanced I have been told to call our Early Years team as they will give me advice regarding nursery and possible funding for when he starts school.
He certainly sounds very bright! DS is 2.6 and quite a handful
I'm not sure that it is possible to measure a social construct such as 'intelligence' in an adult, let alone a toddler!
I always remember when we took ds for settling in at nursery (13 months) and he pointed out all the numbers on a number chart - the staff were amazed!
He is 5 now and is potentially gifted at maths.
However I do take these things with a pinch of salt (though its hard not to get carried away when your own child is doing amazing things!) because I was flagged up as gifted at a young age and iq tested (though in literacy especially so a bit different) - spent the whole of primary school ring ahead, but tailed off in secondary. Ended up with reasonably good qualifications but didnt make it to Oxbridge. Earn peanuts now in a job that doesn't use my degree.
So it's not just iq that determines how well someone will do in life, particularly when they are so young.
However, I do agree that it's important to cater for such children to give them the best chance of fulfilling potential - but honestly, I wouldn't bother with an iq test at that age.
He sounds very clever though!
Ds did have an IQ test when he was in reception but the main reason was to find out why he wasn't reading and writing at all when verbally he was obviously very advanced, coming out with very sophisticated sentences and making connections etc
The result actually wasn't terribly useful (it told us he was exceptionally bright but we already knew that). The following year he decided he was going to read and went from books with no words to being a completely fluent reader able to pick up anything and read it straight away in 12 weeks. Unfortunately he used his new-found skill to read the paediatrician's notes upside down and saw his score. I do wish he'd never found out because it made him think that he was do brilliant he never had to try
If you do go down the testing route (and I can't see why you would unless there's a problem at school) then don't make a big thing about it - a high IQ is fine but it's what you do with it that counts - I've no idea what dd's IQ is as there's never been any reason to test her - I suspect it's lower than ds's but I also suspect she'll do much better academically as she always wants to do her best and wouldn't dream of coasting
I wouldn't bother with the IQ test tbh. Kids change so much particularly at this age ...
DS was reading letters without prompting at 2.2, recognizing words out of context, spelling things out ... and now at 2.5 has absolutely no interest - it's all cars now!
Just enjoy him, he sounds lovely.
Mine was the same at 2. Asking what words were and remembering them, writing her name copying words etc. she could talk fluently by 18months too. She's not a child genius now just peaked early!
honestly? an iq test is not necessary, yet. it might never be necessary, but that depends on the school you get.
if you do want to test... my best guess would be wait til age 6 and use the wisc IV. the preschool test can be done younger. you would need to reseaarch what age would be best.
if you do test though, it may only be for your benefit... proof that you are not one of "those" parents and you are not deluded. that is so worth it.
I don't think you make a child bright by pushing them. It's an innate ability. Yes, they can score better in exams if pushed, but it doesn't alter their intelligence. It's the same as you can't turn a child who isn't naturally talented at football into a premiership footballer by making them train every day. Also, some children remain at the top (and beyond) of their class throughout their childhood and into adulthood.
In saying that, intelligence isn't actually a terribly important measure of a person, other aspects like emotional intelligence, compassion, resilience are a much better measure of success and happiness.
I agree with others that kids peak at different ages . I was a very bright child and a mediocre bright ish adult . My dd was like your ds and is very bright but not g and t . I am however a very placid parent and let her get on with it so if pushed I think she could have been very bright . I just want her to be happy .
DD had an IQ test when she was 3 (she's 5 now). She was referred to an ed psyche by the health visitor after her 2 year check. She has an IQ in the top 0.4% and a shiny Mensa plaque on the fireplace. Other than that its made no difference to school. She had done well in her first year though but that is down to going to the right school for her as much as anything.
Yeah he might think its worth asking me cory but when he said What does sand do? the best I could come up with was Erm... lets ask Daddy! And the best DP could come up with (science teacher no less) was it marks the edge of the land!!! It was left to Nanny to come up with "it makes glass"
Thanks again for the votes of confidence
I think your friend is understimating you! You already do know lots about him. You are meeting his needs for stimulation- he knows that it is worth asking you where the moon goes or where the sand does, you are encouraging his interest in letters and numbers at his pace.
Even if you had the most accurate predictions by the most accurate methods yet to be invented, there wouldn't be anything you should be doing differently. By the sounds of it, you are spot on!
IQ tests are useful for older children whose needs are not being met. Neither is relevant in your case.
IQ tests weren't developed for very young children, so they are especially inaccurate for them, iyswim.
Better to save your money & get him tested (if you still want to) at age 8+. When the results will be taken more seriously.
unless he has educational difficulties later on then I think you are right not pursue the iq route. Giving them a label creates all sort of expectations and pressures. Either it wont be as high as you secretly hope and then what? or it will be high and then he will carry that badge around as though it is something important and potentially become defined by it. It can make a persons personality become lopsided.
Keep going as you are - lots of opportunities and interests and he will thrive.
Quite apart from what everyone else has said, IQ tests are even less accurate with very young children - many testers won't even consider children under six because of this.
He is really coming on this week. I asked him to spell cat again and he managed it. DP asked him to spell dog and he actually did! I have bought some more jigsaw puzzles - harder ones this time.
I don't think we will go down the IQ route. As everyone says, what does it really give us other than a number. Thanks for the advice everyone! If anyone can recommend any resources/games/etc that will be good for his age and ability, I would be really grateful.
IQ testing is not really particularly meaningful - different IQ tests will give different scores and once you get into the top 5% of the population or so, the results aren't really a significant differentiator. He sounds like he is well within the top 5% of the population for the things you have described.
It probably is worth letting the teachers know a bit about what he can do when he starts school (I guess he will be able to read quite fluently by then), but I don't think that teachers would have much interest in an IQ test result.
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