Reading/literacy

(40 Posts)
itsnothingoriginal Mon 01-Apr-13 20:40:20

DD is very able, although not gifted at literacy. She is Yr 1 and reads completely fluently and has done for about 6 months now and her spelling is also very good for age. She works with children in the Yr 2 top set although not sure what happens when they move into Juniors in September confused

Apart from working on comprehension and reading loads of different kinds of books/text is there anything else I can do to support her from here? I also wondered what other children have been offered at school when working with the year above is no longer an option...

Thanks for any advice, or experiences you can share with me smile

simpson Fri 05-Jul-13 21:39:09

I am good friends with the child's mother.

It has been mentioned in passing (reading only) she has lent me books for DD and I have lent her other books for her DC.

What is wrong with discussing it if we are friends?

Iamnotminterested Fri 05-Jul-13 20:58:17

Simpson - how and why do you know that this other child is 'a sub-level below dd ?'

I mean, honestly, do you and this other childs' parents really discuss this stuff?!?

Iamnotminterested Fri 05-Jul-13 20:57:19

Simpson - how and why do you know that this other child is 'a sub-level below dd ?'

I mean, honestly, do you and this other childs' parents really discuss this stuff?!?

simpson Fri 05-Jul-13 19:09:13

Most kids didn't pass the yr1 phonics test at my DC school either last year, but there seems to be a big change with how phonics is taught there now (mainly with the books sent home) so hopefully things are improving smile

simpson Fri 05-Jul-13 19:07:30

Thanks smile

She had the same teacher in nursery that she has had in reception. DD went to the morning nursery and this other child was in the afternoon nursery and the teacher kept saying how she could not wait to get them together because she knew they would get on and also because ability wise they are very close.

HT has told me they have a plan for DD (don't know what it is yet) and that her yr2 SATS target is already set (this was half way through reception) so I guess I just have to trust them and let them get in with it!!

itsnothingoriginal Fri 05-Jul-13 18:49:00

Also - so impressed that your dd already at a 2A smile

itsnothingoriginal Fri 05-Jul-13 18:46:49

I think this is the issue now. There is no real incentive for schools to get children above and beyond a certain level or to show progress greater than 3 sub levels per year. I'm not criticising teachers as many do care greatly about individual progress but how can it be a priority to work with our kids when the pressure is on to work with those who aren't achieving the levels required!

Simpson - that is great your dd has a friend to work with. I'd love that for dd but there is a real issue with reading in her year group - most didn't 'pass' the phonics test. Hence my concerns about what will happen in Sept!

anklebitersmum Fri 05-Jul-13 15:08:01

I guessed that would be the case, it's just so frustrating seeing her work to half of her potential because the school's attitudes are 'well, she's above the norm, so what?' and refuse to expand her education above and beyond the year above's level.

simpson Thu 04-Jul-13 21:11:57

I would definately ask.

Are there any kids near her level?

DD is on a 2A (reading, don't know writing level) and she is very lucky to have a child who she gets on very well with who is a sub level below her and so it is easier for them to do work together and bounce ideas off each other etc...

Anklebiter - you can pay for an ed psych test, but some schools don't take much notice of them either...

MrsMelons Thu 04-Jul-13 21:09:22

They still only gave DS the L3 paper even though he got 100% in it, again I feel now I should have said something.

itsnothingoriginal Thu 04-Jul-13 20:30:32

Yes that's what I feel MrsMelons! We have parents eve so I might pluck up courage to ask. I hate coming across as pushy but dd expected to be at 3a/4c by end of yr 2 so wondering how they are planning to help her to progress to this level without more targeted support?

Hi anklebitersmum - sorry I know nothing about SATS yet as I guess dd will take them next yr! Hope someone else might be able to help..

Simpson - school started to differentiate literacy group for dd halfway through term 1 of yr 1 so hopefully they can get your dd into appropriate group asap

MrsMelons Thu 04-Jul-13 13:57:25

This is exactly what happened with DS1. He ended up in a group with children who were working way below him in Y1. They assured me they would stretch him etc but it didn't happen. I wish I had spoken to them sooner as I left it too late as gave them the benefit of the doubt.

It was such a shame he could not continue in the year above as it is a stand alone infant school but obviously he will be at juniors in september so should be suitably challenged.

anklebitersmum Thu 04-Jul-13 13:09:38

pps not hi-jacking, just figured it was in context with OP blush

anklebitersmum Thu 04-Jul-13 13:08:08

OK I'm diving in to ask a question..(hope you don't mind)..

How do you guys get the school to give the next level SATs papers?? We move every two years, daughter is well above average in all subjects but I have trouble convincing each new school to believe the current SAT results never mind admit her for papers above the 'expected/average level'.

Am I just going to have to fork out the £500 for an ed psych?

ps She's in state school

simpson Thu 04-Jul-13 09:49:01

I would ask the school too but maybe wait until the next school year to see what is going to happen.

I have spoken to the HT about how they are going to differentiate for DD (going into yr1 in sept) but they are waiting for her to mature a bit before pushing her too much, so differentiation will start 2nd term of yr1 (earlier if DD kicks off as her behaviour can get worse if bored).

Tiggles Wed 03-Jul-13 16:55:42

I would be concerned if they weren't looking to differentiate at all for her - whether in the class, or with year 3s. DS2 (currently yr1) will be being taught literacy with year3s next year to ensure he is stretched. But will also be doing some with the yr1/2 class he would be in, where they like to do group work in mixed ability groups so the more able children lead the groups, writing stuff down, and encouraging the less able to give ideas etc.

itsnothingoriginal Tue 02-Jul-13 22:45:09

Hmm so maybe best not to push it then. Teacher is excellent but I think has her work cut out with such a huge class. Just a shame dd can't continue to work with year above as she was getting a lot out of it.

BooksandaCuppa Tue 02-Jul-13 22:11:16

It's very easy to differentiate for literacy and set work that can be tackled at all different levels. Most teachers will do this well.

And something that's important to remember is that just because other children are not yet reading or writing at the same level as others, does not mean that they are not verbally/linguistically able. There's lots that children can learn from one another in spoken language which can feed into their written work, as one example.

Sounds a bit simplistic but it is easier to deal with than teaching children with massively different maths abilities, for example.

cornflakegirl Tue 02-Jul-13 12:34:20

Absolutely not pushy to talk to school again - Ofsted are very hot on what schools are doing to stretch more able learners, so maybe use that to your advantage.

Obviously it's pretty easy for them to stretch her in reading - just point her at a large library of books and let her go! But they need to be geared up to differentiate for her in the other literacy work.

itsnothingoriginal Tue 02-Jul-13 12:04:55

I've resurrected this thread to ask for some further advice about next year. Just found out dd will be moving into a a large split yr1/2 class. She's just finished yr 1 with a 3c in literacy and we were told she's 'very talented' at reading.

Am concerned there will be little for her to work towards as no extra provision being offered. Other kids in her year are still on book bands, and many in the year below can't read at all with some not able to speak any English. Although I do a lot with her at home, I'll be working more from Sept so not able to continue reading huge amounts with her which she enjoys.

Would I be pushy to talk to school about this again, or just continue to try to support her more at home?

simpson Sat 13-Apr-13 13:21:52

DD is hypermobile so also finds things tough sad

She can do it but finds it tougher than her peers would iyswim.

DD is very into cats so maybe a book about them might work....

itsnothingoriginal Sat 13-Apr-13 12:26:49

I would love for dd to learn an instrument as we are a very musical family but she also happens to have cerebral palsy so it would be hard for her to learn anything given her fine motor problems sad

We also get a bit stuck on non fiction Simpson - horse riding books are the only thing she'll look at happily!

simpson Sat 13-Apr-13 11:59:32

I bought her a recorder (just a cheap one) and found a book on eBay (very cheap) so she has been doing that (badly) but she seems to enjoy it as DS (yr3) is learning the recorder at school.

She is not into non fiction in the slightest unfortunately but we are just plugging away reading different books etc.

She has been "designing napkins" for our lunch later grin

Voodika Sat 13-Apr-13 11:42:05

Hopefully next year the school should be able to find extension activities for your daughter.

As well a finding lots of different authors, books etc have you thought about learning musical instruments. My daughter is very bright and she loves playing the piano. She was able to read music very quickly and because the lessons are 1 to 1 she can go at her own pace, she gets so much out of it and loves the challenge.

There is a magazine called Aquila for bright children although it may be more suitable when she is older. Someone said National Geographic for children is good too.

Phew indeed! DD gets very upset over emotional content (films, books, anything really!) where people are mean to someone, or family is missing, someone gets lost etc so it's a minefield finding suitable books for her to read.

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