Can a child achieve higher than level 3 in KS1 SATs?

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Fuzzymum1 Sun 24-Mar-13 20:23:23

Are there KS1 SATs tests that can show where a child is if they're working above level three?

6yo DS3 is in year 1 and is currently working at level 3C in reading, as measured in school by a reading comprehension test. When he started school 18 months ago he was able to sound out CVC and occasionally CCVC words so has gone from almost no reading to level 3 in a year and a half so presumably he will be capable of more than two sub- levels in the next 14 months before SATs.

I'm not one for getting hung up on levels especially but I am interested to know where he is if possible. His teacher plans to let him sit this years SATs after the year two children have done them (he's in a mixed Y1/2 class) because she is interested to see what he can do and knows he will enjoy the challenge.

MirandaWest Mon 18-Nov-13 22:29:47

This thread is definitely the sort that would only appear on Mumsnet grin.

There really aren't lots of children getting level 3 in reception.

For KS1 children are assessed using teacher assessment. They will use a test to inform their assessment. A child could get a level 4 in a test but not be reported as being a level 4 as the teacher might assess this as being a one-off.

I am also of the belief that a level 3 should be a level 3 whichever key stage you are in.

alwaysneedaholiday Mon 18-Nov-13 22:19:10

Thanks bamboostalks. Panic was beginning to set in!

simpson Mon 18-Nov-13 22:11:13

I had a meeting with the KS1 Head at the beginning of this school year about DD and in passing she said that a child can not get higher than a 3A in KS1 SATS.

No doubt I will find out more nearer the time as she is only at the start of yr1!

bamboostalks Mon 18-Nov-13 20:54:51

Just to reassure any anxious parents reading this. In 20 years of teaching, I have never taught or encountered a child reading beyond a 2A in reception, there have only been a few 2As too. Most have gone on to be very successful academically too without this early acceleration. There a skewed demographic on this site. Very few have exceeded 3s at year 2.

itsnothingoriginal Mon 18-Nov-13 20:47:38

This is interesting - we had DDs parents eve today and were told she was aiming for 4c in literacy at the end of this year (yr2). She isn't G&T so I did wonder how it would be assessed at that level based on papers and also how this sets her up for the onward trajectory through primary level? Teacher didn't suggest there was anything unusual or remarkable in gaining a level 4 in yr 2 though..

FunLovinBunster Mon 28-Oct-13 21:46:43

My DD was 6 when she sat KS1 Sats and got level 3 in all her papers.

papooser Mon 21-Oct-13 12:45:30

It might depend on the school - I was told at parent's evening this week that our school will not award higher than a 3B at KS1 because if they do, it's a struggle to get the expected two levels progress by Yr 6. DTs ended KS1 on 3B for maths, which didn't seem right to me; however at Y3 parent's evening this week was told they are at Level 4 which seems a better reflection of their level.

WhoreOfTheWorlds Fri 30-Aug-13 20:45:49

I had the same experience as you OP.

Because my dd was doing so well in Yr 1, her teacher got her to sit the Yr 2 SATS paper, I think the reading one, just to see what she could do and she got 100%. We knew nothing about it until months later when it was mentioned in her report.

The following year in Yr2, she came out with all Level 3s in her SATS but her teacher confided that she hadn't even broken a sweat and had finished long before her friends. Not surprising really, I guess.

She's just finished Yr4 with a 5c and 2 4a. But to be honest she's never been given a piece of homework she couldn't zip through, even the special extension work doesn't stretch her. Her teacher confidently predicts she'll leave primary school with Level 6s, but doesn't seem able to really give her anything to get her teeth into.

So, I've given up worrying about SATS and the tests. The problem with them is that they're not really designed to deal with the very clever children. I'm just glad that dd will be going to a good grammar school where she'll be challenged for the first time.

sparklekitty Sat 24-Aug-13 19:06:56

They'll be reported as L3+ to the LA but in teacher assessment they'll be whatever level they are.

Don't forget as the levels go up they also get bigger (ie more to achieve) so 2 sub levels may not happen automatically. It also depends on maturity, for example the reading levels above L3 include a lot of inference which, in my experience, is hard for younger ones to achieve just because they've not read as much and are not as mature as the older ones.

simpson Sat 24-Aug-13 18:52:31

I do standby my original point that it is ridiculous to say that many kids will reach L3 in reception. It does not mean that no kid ever will obviously.

I find it a bit hmm though to say a 4/5 yr old child finds the whole school day boring, especially in reception when they can do pretty much what they want.

ffsx2 Sat 24-Aug-13 13:39:56

That's too bad, jrabean. A shame when kids get nothing out of the social life in school. Or art/history/drama/music/etc. Plenty of non-G+T kids have the same problem, of course.

RiversideMum Wed 21-Aug-13 16:41:27

The school could give a very able child the Y3 test. Y2 and Y3 tests are conducted in a different way.

jrabean Mon 19-Aug-13 23:27:17

Not ridiculous at all. My son was level 3 in reception. Was happily reading Harry Potter etc but is nothing special at all. Just a typical kid who find school boring except playtime football matches.

Sats levels are set low to cover millions of kids and the focus is on finding kids who are badly behind to give them help. Irrelevant for most kids.

anitasmall Tue 30-Jul-13 21:38:02

Well done to your daughter!
However each school should test high achievers not just some.

simpson Tue 30-Jul-13 21:14:21

Well done to your DS smile I am not saying it does not happen ever.

DD has just finished reception on a 2A for reading but lacks the maturity/life experience to reach level 3 (as you mentioned).

wearingatinhat Tue 30-Jul-13 19:41:02

Ds was a level 3 in reception but then he did go into reception as a very advanced reader. By mid yr 3 he tested as a 5b, so it does happen. He does have a very high IQ and is doing well in all his subjects, but in many ways is a totally normal child.

He is very mature for his age (in some ways) and yes there are some things that he would not understand simply due to lack of life experience, so occasionally will miss an inference but he certainly tested as a 5b recently, so he must have the maturity. Who knows how common this is as many schools do not regularly test for these levels (including our own) even when children hit test ceilings.

Periwinkle007 Mon 29-Jul-13 14:54:51

level 3 in reception????

simpson Sat 27-Jul-13 09:15:28

"Many kids will reach level 3 in reception..."

hmm not sure about that one!!

"Older kids particularly will be getting level 3 in reception.."

I would not have thought a reception child is mature enough for a level 3, totally ridiculous!

Wafflenose Wed 24-Jul-13 21:16:33

My DD got a 4a for reading (was originally told it was a 5c, but it wasn't quite) and a 4c for writing As metranilvavin correctly says, her English result was reported as a 3.

metranilvavin Wed 24-Jul-13 17:05:09

But regardless of their actual level, a child can only be reported as being at a level 3 maximum by the school.

So some schools see that as the bar, and don't assess higher; other schools do.

Having said that, for reading in particular, a lot of what counts towards the higher levels is actually maturity, not just reading ability, so I don't think that NC levels are a very useful way of measuring advanced readers in particular. For maths, it's more straightforward.

Iamnotminterested Wed 24-Jul-13 09:06:03

anita, DD afaik sat the level 3 reading comprehension paper only in year 2 but her teacher assessment was a level 4.

Sticklebug Tue 23-Jul-13 19:02:43

My DD sat the L4 english SAT in yr2. She was working at a L3A in yr 1, so they decided to enter her for the L4 in yr2. She still did the KS1 paper, but then did an extra paper for the L4. Her secondary school was a bit sniffy about how the infant school had assessed her, but she got a 4a in her end of year 3 tests - so they have since conceeded that she was a L4 in yr 2!

anitasmall Tue 23-Jul-13 18:49:22

Can you, please, advise me how can somebody get 4 at KS1 test. Does it mean that the child's test was 100% or that he did well at the KS1 test and than set another test.

anitasmall Tue 23-Jul-13 18:48:41

Can you, please, advise me how can somebody get 4 at KS1 test. Does it mean that the child's test was 100% or that he did well at the KS1 test and than set another test.

jrabean Tue 23-Jul-13 17:31:48

Realistically schools should assess year 2 kids beyond level 3.

Many kids will reach level 3 in reception so otherwise there is no sign of progress for two years!

Older kids in particular will be getting level 3 in reception.

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