Can a child achieve higher than level 3 in KS1 SATs?(43 Posts)
Are there KS1 SATs tests that can show where a child is if they're working above level three?
6yo DS3 is in year 1 and is currently working at level 3C in reading, as measured in school by a reading comprehension test. When he started school 18 months ago he was able to sound out CVC and occasionally CCVC words so has gone from almost no reading to level 3 in a year and a half so presumably he will be capable of more than two sub- levels in the next 14 months before SATs.
I'm not one for getting hung up on levels especially but I am interested to know where he is if possible. His teacher plans to let him sit this years SATs after the year two children have done them (he's in a mixed Y1/2 class) because she is interested to see what he can do and knows he will enjoy the challenge.
fuzzymum My y2 DD has been levelled a 3a in reading too. They asked if I would be happy for her to do a level 3-5 SAT paper to see if she would get a 4. My reply was that, considering the SAT results are based on teacher assessment, I didnt want to put that pressure on her and if she is a 4 then surely they'd know anyway.
My other concern was the pressure she would have put on her in future years to carry on progressing at the 'expected' rate.
His teacher thinks he's generally working at high level 3 possibly into level 4 and wants to use a test to see if that agrees with her assessment.
Just thought I'd mention you don't need SAYs to assess how a child is performing. The child's teacher should be able to tell you how they are doing just by their normal class work and knowing your child. My children are all grown up now but I know there are not any SAYs in Wales.
I spoke to DS's teacher today and she said that she's contemplating giving him a paper that could demonstrate he's working above level 3. She said his reading comprehension is incredibly mature and she would love to be able to demonstrate that she has a child working at level 4! That would put a bit of pressure on the KS2 staff to show progress but she doesn't want to 'do him out of a level 4 if he's capable of it!'
avocadosandwich it is really bad that the teacher does not give you any indication as to how your DC is performing. Do they not have parents evenings/consultations and if they do what are they used for it they are not updating you on your DCs progress?
The school that my DCs attend don't give out any SATs results until yr2 and from yr3 onwards. However, they do give a very clear indication as to how DCs are performing in relation to their class mates. I do know that the school uses PIPs which is considered, by some, to give a better indication of potential attainment rather than assessing information retained on a single given day.
Mind you, where I live, you could have a level 9 SATs and still not get a place in a local secondary. The majority of secondary schools are semi-selective (7 out of 9 schools) and require the 11 plus.
It will be interesting to see how the new SATs gradings will demonstrate a child's ability progression as they advance through infant school through to the end of junior school.
My DD will be the last year 2 to be given SATs results in the existing level format. I am curious how this will translate to give a comparison of performance using the new sliding scale scores when she gets into yr6.
Our school refuses to give out levels in yr1 which I find really irritating as I think it's helpful to know how my kids are doing. He was assessed as level 3 across the board in KS1 SATs so out of interest, I downloaded some of the KS2 SATs papers for him to have a go: www.theschoolrun.com/ks2/key-stage-2-sats
We only did a few papers but he didn't get above a 3 in anything - I guess schools don't generally cover the KS2 curriculum in KS1, so he hadn't gained the actual knowledge to get above level 3, even if the brain power is there.
This thread is definitely the sort that would only appear on Mumsnet .
There really aren't lots of children getting level 3 in reception.
For KS1 children are assessed using teacher assessment. They will use a test to inform their assessment. A child could get a level 4 in a test but not be reported as being a level 4 as the teacher might assess this as being a one-off.
I am also of the belief that a level 3 should be a level 3 whichever key stage you are in.
Thanks bamboostalks. Panic was beginning to set in!
I had a meeting with the KS1 Head at the beginning of this school year about DD and in passing she said that a child can not get higher than a 3A in KS1 SATS.
No doubt I will find out more nearer the time as she is only at the start of yr1!
Just to reassure any anxious parents reading this. In 20 years of teaching, I have never taught or encountered a child reading beyond a 2A in reception, there have only been a few 2As too. Most have gone on to be very successful academically too without this early acceleration. There a skewed demographic on this site. Very few have exceeded 3s at year 2.
This is interesting - we had DDs parents eve today and were told she was aiming for 4c in literacy at the end of this year (yr2). She isn't G&T so I did wonder how it would be assessed at that level based on papers and also how this sets her up for the onward trajectory through primary level? Teacher didn't suggest there was anything unusual or remarkable in gaining a level 4 in yr 2 though..
My DD was 6 when she sat KS1 Sats and got level 3 in all her papers.
It might depend on the school - I was told at parent's evening this week that our school will not award higher than a 3B at KS1 because if they do, it's a struggle to get the expected two levels progress by Yr 6. DTs ended KS1 on 3B for maths, which didn't seem right to me; however at Y3 parent's evening this week was told they are at Level 4 which seems a better reflection of their level.
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They'll be reported as L3+ to the LA but in teacher assessment they'll be whatever level they are.
Don't forget as the levels go up they also get bigger (ie more to achieve) so 2 sub levels may not happen automatically. It also depends on maturity, for example the reading levels above L3 include a lot of inference which, in my experience, is hard for younger ones to achieve just because they've not read as much and are not as mature as the older ones.
I do standby my original point that it is ridiculous to say that many kids will reach L3 in reception. It does not mean that no kid ever will obviously.
I find it a bit though to say a 4/5 yr old child finds the whole school day boring, especially in reception when they can do pretty much what they want.
That's too bad, jrabean. A shame when kids get nothing out of the social life in school. Or art/history/drama/music/etc. Plenty of non-G+T kids have the same problem, of course.
The school could give a very able child the Y3 test. Y2 and Y3 tests are conducted in a different way.
Not ridiculous at all. My son was level 3 in reception. Was happily reading Harry Potter etc but is nothing special at all. Just a typical kid who find school boring except playtime football matches.
Sats levels are set low to cover millions of kids and the focus is on finding kids who are badly behind to give them help. Irrelevant for most kids.
Well done to your daughter!
However each school should test high achievers not just some.
Well done to your DS I am not saying it does not happen ever.
DD has just finished reception on a 2A for reading but lacks the maturity/life experience to reach level 3 (as you mentioned).
Ds was a level 3 in reception but then he did go into reception as a very advanced reader. By mid yr 3 he tested as a 5b, so it does happen. He does have a very high IQ and is doing well in all his subjects, but in many ways is a totally normal child.
He is very mature for his age (in some ways) and yes there are some things that he would not understand simply due to lack of life experience, so occasionally will miss an inference but he certainly tested as a 5b recently, so he must have the maturity. Who knows how common this is as many schools do not regularly test for these levels (including our own) even when children hit test ceilings.
"Many kids will reach level 3 in reception..."
not sure about that one!!
"Older kids particularly will be getting level 3 in reception.."
I would not have thought a reception child is mature enough for a level 3, totally ridiculous!
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