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Pt 8 (Oct13) Any old prolapse! Uterus/womb prolapse, rectocele, cystocele, enterocele, urethrocele, incontinence, pelvic floor, anterior and posterior repair, TVT etc (994 Posts)

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gottagetthroughthis Wed 19-Mar-14 00:24:19

Welcome to thread 8 (again - see below) of a long-running series of posts from ladies suffering from pelvic prolapses to support each other through the process of diagnosis, repair and recovery.

With apologies for confusion in thread numbers - an earlier thread was called part 7 but it was actually the 6th thread.

Here are the previous threads:

Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
Thread 4
Thread 5
Thread 6
Thread 7
Thread 8

Info from BBC Health

What is a pelvic prolapse?

As the muscles, ligaments and supporting tissues in the pelvis become weaker, they are less able to hold in the organs of the pelvis such as the womb (uterus) or bladder.

Gravity pulls these organs down and, in the more severe cases, may appear through the entrance to the vagina.

A variety of problems can occur, depending on where the weakness lies and which organs are able to descend, but in every case there is some degree of prolapse of the vaginal wall, which begins to invert (rather like a sock turning inside out).
Prolapse of the womb or uterus is the most common prolapse, affecting as many as one in eight older women to some degree
Prolapse of the bladder, known as a cystocele, is less common.
Prolapse of the urethra (the tube that carries urine out of the bladder) is known as a urethrocele.
Prolapse of the intestines is quite rare, and known as an enterocele or rectocele.


Symptoms depend on which tissues descend, and how severe the prolapse is.

They may include:
A sense of heaviness or pressure in the pelvis.
The appearance of a bulge of tissue in the genital area, which can be quite alarming, and is often red and sore.
Urinary problems, such as having to urinate more frequently, feeling the need urgently, being incontinent (losing control of the bladder) or, conversely, being unable to pass urine when you need to.
Pain in the pelvis or lower back.
Sexual problems, including pain and decreased libido.
Vaginal discharge or bleeding.

Treatment and recovery

Once a prolapse has developed, surgery to fix the affected organs is usually the only way to cure it effectively.

However, another option is to use a device known as a vaginal ring pessary. This is rather like a contraceptive diaphragm or cervical cap. It's made of silicone or latex, and placed in the vagina to push back the prolapsed organs and hold them in place. Many women happily manage their prolapse this way.

gottagetthroughthis Wed 19-Mar-14 00:27:04

Phew!! Got there in the end....

NoKidz Wed 19-Mar-14 10:37:49

Hi everyone, can anyone recommend a good pelvic physio in the London/South East area? I'm in Croydon but can travel anywhere in London by public transport or further out into Kent, Surrey etc by car.

And can anyone recommend a good urogynaecologist in the same areas? As appointments with them would be less frequent I could travel further if needed. I'd really appreciate it as I'm completely in the dark about who is any good - having been fobbed off by my gp and fought for these referrals I have to make them count!

Thanks so much for all you share on this thread, it has been a lifeline for me since my gp diagnosed my bladder prolapse/cystocele. I suspect I have more issues down there but my gp is dismissive, she initially sent me away to just do pelvic floor exercises by myself with no other advice at all, not even to be careful lifting etc.

I'm 47 and haven't had kids (so I hope you don't mind me being here!) but the info I've found here really helped me in the panic and devastation of those first few days, thank you all for being here and for your advice and your honesty about everything you're going through. Good thoughts going out to everyone having a difficult time at the moment.

kazzawazzawoo Wed 19-Mar-14 18:57:02

Just marking my place on the new thread.

I haven't seen my gp yet (work keeps getting in the way), but suspect a prolapse, bowel. Thanks for posting, everyone, reading with interest.

LackaDAISYcal Wed 19-Mar-14 19:13:36

Just posted on the old thread and reslised it was nearly full so C&Ping my post!

"Just a quick update from me; I pop in every now and again...

Seeing my consultant next week as the physios have recommended mne as a candidate for surgery for my cystocele and rectocele...Yay!

But...NAY! I had a side issue of abnormal bleeding and had polyps removed over a year ago and then again in December. This last on, whi9ch grew very big, very quickly, as it turns out, was cancerous. Had a D&C which was inconclusive, but have to go for a pelvic CT scan to check for spread and been advised by the oncology gyn that I need a hysterectomy. Consultant told me that they generally don't do the repairs at the same time as the hysterectomy if the hysterectomy is for cancer related issues.

She said I should keep the appointmenmt with the repair lady so I can be kept "on the books" as it were, and they can look at the repairs further down the line once I'm all healed up from the hysterectomy. Bit of a bummer, but I suppose I can put up with it for a bit longer, if I get to live a life cancer free. Though can't imagine my office being very happy about two lots of time off confused"

LackaDAISYcal Wed 19-Mar-14 19:14:48

Oh, and I started what will more than likely be my last period this morning and am feeling rather sad about it sad

1966gettingold Wed 19-Mar-14 20:38:06

No kids if hoe in box me I will tell you of a specialist in London, I can't work out how to send you a message.

1966gettingold Wed 19-Mar-14 20:52:57

No kids just worked it out and sent you a message.

Noordinarygirl Thu 20-Mar-14 11:25:32

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR BOWELS TO GET BACK TO NORMAL?? I've had to use another enema this morning as I just couldn't go AGAIN and felt a huge amount of pooh 'just waiting' to come out but again it was too difficult too push out. How long does it take for this to get back to normal and why do these ops make this happen? What happens to your bowels to stop things so drastically? I'm getting really ticked off with this and am panicking that I only have 3 enemas left. I'm 30 days post op now and if I don't go everyday I just know I'm going to have to 'help' things out yet again.

What does everybody use to keep things going? Lactulose obviously isn't helping enough so do I need to stock up on another sort of suppository or should I just go for senna? Should I take it everyday?

Please can I have some stories from how you have all managed your bowels post op as I am obviously doing something wrong here? I have been feeling quite positive since last week's episode but it's reared it's ugly head again and it's making me feel quite down again. I couldn't possibly go back to work needing to use enemas but there's a while before I need to worry about that as I have sick note that covers me for 4 more weeks yet.

Footle Thu 20-Mar-14 14:01:22

Dammit, I just posted on the old thread but haven't managed to cut and paste it here. I'll try again.

Footle Thu 20-Mar-14 14:11:42

Lackadaisy, I hope you have medics who give you confidence , and not too long a wait for the next op.

Noordinary, I seem to say the word Movicol a lot on this thread. Have you used it and it hasn't helped ? If not, get some ( plain flavour is not awful to take ) and use it morning and night. Like many others on here, I am resigned to using it forever if necessary, but I've never needed more than one or two sachets a day. It doesn't make you rush to the loo but it softens the BM so it doesn't hurt. Never used enemas but glycerin suppositories, no prescription, work well in an emergency. Hope this helps.

HI, I popped on here last year after seeing the GP about continence issues, I then saw a consultant who diagnosed cycstocele/urethrocele and said I was too young for surgery and was sent for physio. Have had physio for 18mo and they have sent me back to GP for referral back to gynae. Things have got worse, I can no longer run, gym or even pick up the kids without wetting myself! I lost a huge amount of weight but it is creeping back on as I can no longer exercise without wee running down my leg. I am sure I have increased the profits of Tena recently!

I am hoping they will be able to do something this time.

jcakec Thu 20-Mar-14 22:11:04

Noordinarygirl you have voiced my thoughts exactly. Has anyone been told just why these repairs cause coninued bowel problems? I am now about 6months post op and have problems if I dont keep up the movicol or fybogel daily and sometimes senocot too. And is it ok to keep taking them indefinately?

flouncymcflouncerson Fri 21-Mar-14 11:37:42

daisy sorry to read about your issues. What a nightmare and annoying to have to go through surgery again. I'm not sure why they won't do repairs at the same time? I will be having a hysterectomy and further bladder and most likely bowel repairs too this time. This is after surgery on Nov where my uterus wasn't repaired. I understand the problem having two lots of surgery causes as I will have the same issue for me next issue. And in fact have been told I may lose my job! Gp has sent referral to urogyn so hoping I see her before my next appt with the surgeon mid April. It's all such a. Esp and I have young children so recovery is difficult. I also have hyoermobilty which is probably the cause of my problems!

LackaDAISYcal Fri 21-Mar-14 14:38:00

She said it was because of the cancer. I will be asking though.

I got my appointment for the CT scan through; an hour after I am due to see my gynae on Tuesday and at the other end of a very large hospital, so looks like I will have to cancel the gynae anyway as they never run on time <sigh>

Mind you, the cancer is kind of trumping the cyctocele/rectocele anyway.

Noordinarygirl Sat 22-Mar-14 12:17:23

4.5 weeks post op and I've taken myself off painkillers to see if it improves bowel functions. Well, I've been off them for 2 days now (since last enema use on Thursday morning) and (touch wood) it seems as if things are improving. Will let you know how it continues.

It could also be the fact that I now have a bowel of prunes, plums, pears and kiwi in the morning and make sure I have a bowl of bran cereal during the day too. Still keeping up drinking loads of hot water too.

I managed 2 short walks yesterday and have been out for a (slow) walk again this morning. Anything to get things back to normal BM-wise now will be tried!

Frenchfrogbutt Sun 23-Mar-14 20:31:34

Hi all
I am not in the way of getting my operation avcording to docs too closed to childbirth too young 38 qnd eevtocle very low whixh seems to be a problem but still on physio to improve things . lately i have tried acupuncture for constipation and stress IT seems working ( with Still laxative) just wanted to ask before your ops for the one who had rectocele did you take laxative ? Was IT efficient or Still dis you have to help by splinting or pushing ?

Ms clairet i hope your first Week post op went fine . Take care

Le1890 Sun 23-Mar-14 20:49:56


Can I join please?

I had my second baby 11 months ago and have been having issues since although only really acknowledged it recently. Had a 3rd degree tear. Went to gp an was told I have a bladder and back passage prolapse.

I feel really depressed as I feel so aware of the pressure when I'm up and doing things, house work for example. I can only last maximum 1.5-2 hours before I'm bursting for a pee and I need to squeeze to get the little dribble out as I I don't it will dribble a bit when I bend to pull my underwear up!

Gp says its mild although it doesn't feel mild to me!! I've to gp for physio this week. Gp says I won't need an op.....

Just feel really down about it.x

LackaDAISYcal Tue 25-Mar-14 15:50:47

Saw my gynae today...any repairs are to be postponed until after the hysterectomy. So, I'll see you guys in about four months or so!

Noordinarygirl Tue 25-Mar-14 19:08:29

Daisy I hope your hysterectomy goes well and that it's followed by a great big 'all clear' with regards to the cancer. How are you coping with all of this? Ups and downs? Head all over the place? Mine would be! Please keep us informed. x

Noordinarygirl Tue 25-Mar-14 19:11:40

Le1980 I haven't had a bladder repair and didn't have any wee problems but I'm sure someone will reply soon. Keep your chin up. You most definitely aren't alone. All this type of stuff goes underground for some reason but it's so much more common that you'd believe. Big hugs x

Noordinarygirl Tue 25-Mar-14 19:14:53

Frenchfrog My rectocele wasn't SO bad before my op that I needed to splint. I wasn't taking laxatives either as my diet has always been pretty high in fibre and I walked miles every day when I could. I've found since I had my op that walking helps massively and I've cut out all painkillers too. Things are much improved now and hopefully I won't need to resort to enemas again!

Frenchfrogbutt Tue 25-Mar-14 19:47:52

Thanks noordinary SO the rectocele wasnt the only motivation to get the operation ? i dont have the thread in mind sorry) if constipation wasnt that bad. Actually i never splinted either except during prégnancy at the end pushing only on the perineum . I am too scared to cut the laxatives right now but you answered telling me that a high fibre diet did the trick for you I Will try to slow down on movicol. I am doing no exercice at all right Now feeling exhausted except the physio ones. Thanks again i hope you are feeling better day after day and that your body and Mind are recovering well from the op. Good evening !

LackaDAISYcal Tue 25-Mar-14 23:38:49

Thanks NoG smile

I'm desperately trying not to think about anything, but yes, my head is reeling a wee bit with it all. I've had a pretty shitty few years healthwise and I just keep thinking, what else is going to get thrown at me? Why me? and that it isn't fair!

The concern from the gynae is that the operation might change my current symptoms for the better, or worse, or there be no change. So they want me healed from the hysterectomy before doing the repairs. I mentioned that lots of women have hysterectomies and repairs at the same time and she replied "not when there is cancer involved they don't" Whether that is a national thing or just our local trust, who knows?

I suppose I'll know more after Friday.

Noordinarygirl Wed 26-Mar-14 08:46:05

French and Daisy I actually had a partial hysterectomy in Nov 12 and I think that actually lead to things 'falling out' only 6 months later as my womb was no longer there to act as an anchor. Either that or it was the fact that I really did far too much too soon after the op. I was back at work 3 and a half weeks later. That's why I'm taking things SO easy this time and not rushing back to work. Let that be a warning to you both!

French no it wasn't actually the rectocele that was the big problem for me it was the fact that my cervix actually fell right out of me last May. I've had my rectocele repaired with mesh and the biggest part of the op was the other repair. Mesh sewn onto the outside of my vagina front and back and then that mesh pinned onto my spine to hold it all up in place......hopefully for a very long time!

I am now 5 weeks post op and really feel as if I turned a corner this week with pain etc (I took myself off painkillers last week to try to solve the BM problem. It seems to have done the trick and things are working as they should now. I hope it continues that way now. I also have been getting a lot more feeling back in that area too. I can actually push now. I'm keeping up pelvic floor exercises.

On a bad and my partner split up recently and we are now looking at getting the house on the market so we can both move on. It's not going to be pretty and things are very strained with us all (4 teenagers involved here too) still living under the same roof. None of us have been particularly happy since we all moved in together actually so in the long run it'll make 6 more happy people in the world! The timing could have been better as I'm not looking forward to packing up boxes, if the house sells quickly but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it!

scifigeek Wed 26-Mar-14 17:39:53

Hi there - glad to find this thread as I think I need both advice and moral support to cope with a broken fanjo.

I had a horrendous birth 2 years ago with emergency forceps and third degree tear. I thought I'd recovered after a few months but started getting a very 'pressured' feeling in my pelvis and thinks looked visibly different. Fortunately no leakage but still not good.

I was referred to my local bladder and bowel clinic, had a rectocele confirmed and saw the specialist nurse several times. Did the pelvic floor exercises as instructed and was discharged a few months ago and told that the prolapse wasn't severe enough to merit medical intervention, and that I had to live my life without lifting heavy things or doing exercise such as running. It wouldn't get better but it hopefully wouldn't get worse.

Not very practical advice with a toddler and a job which does demand some carrying of heavy files! So I've carried on my life as normal, but obviously tried to avoid lifting too many heavy things. To be frank the 'no strenuous exercise' advice seems more appropriate for someone in their seventies not their thirties and trying to lose baby weight.

The prolapse has suddenly got a lot worse over the course of a couple of weeks. I've referred myself back to the bladder clinic but can't be seen until the end of April. My rectocele is far bigger and protruding and to my completely untrained eye I think I've got a cystocele as well. Everything's falling out basically! I have to poke things back in a couple of times a day and it's really really constantly uncomfortable and sore. I suspect there's chafing. Ugh.

The bladder nurse doesn't seem to take a very 'interventionist' stance, and by the sound of it the health authority approach if I do get referred up is 'we'll try a ring pessary, if that doesn't work we'll do a little patch-up, then if that doesn't work - and it normally doesn't (!)- maybe a bigger one'. I'd rather have a big one-off fix-it op even if it's painful than faff around with minor interventions that don't work and I really don't want the ring pessary which needs to be changed every few months.

The nurse is very nice, but she's not a consultant, and I wonder whether I need to push for a hospital referral. Also DP has BUPA cover at work which extends to me, so I wonder whether I should ask for a referral down the private route when I see her, as they may take a different approach and move quickly. I hate the idea of queue-jumping but I'm hobbling like a little old lady and worried to pick up my son.

So your advice ladies would be most welcome. Both on any short term relief to get me through to the end of April without hobbling around like John Wayne due to the discomfort, and what to ask for when I get to the clinic. grin

LackaDAISYcal Wed 26-Mar-14 17:50:23

hi scifigeek; yes, do push for a gynae referral, or at least to the gynae physios.

NoG, I've read that things can move southward following hysterectomy. They are taking my cervix as well, so it'd "just" be a case of my vagina turning itself inside out and/or my bladder dropping even further.

I'm kind of resigned to the thought of further surgery down the line but I will ask if they can at least do a TvT whilst they are in there to keep my bladder anchored where it should be! I guess it depends on what the CT scan has shown. I'm willing Friday to come around quickly.

Frenchfrogbutt Wed 26-Mar-14 17:58:05

Good luck with everything ! Nog
New body new home and new Man. Very soon !:-)
I wonder how those great ladies who told their stories managed to rule their houses take carre of their children cook manage their job , live their lives with a pop a rectocele
Mine is SAID to be small the bulge is hall what IT was 2 months ago that is to say less than 1. Cm a few mm. . But IT killed everything inside me i had some great support by mail on the thread by my family but i i am hopeless cant stand the pressure the pain the fear of the future . I cant even stand the idéa of the pain of te operation which i wont have before years. I am afraid that my husband wont cope with the situation to traumatise my children crying . I cant take the transports go i. Public places . Everymorning my first thought is oh no its e
Real ... Am i fucked up forever ? Did you manage to get your Life even before the op ? To enjoy Life ?
IT is SO hard . I see a psy but not really effective is IT ?
Sorry again need a place to let that go ...

happylilme Wed 26-Mar-14 20:29:48

Noordinary glad you are on the road to recovery and turned that corner. I'm feeling fine now my body and scar tissue tell me if I've overdone things. I'm lucky in that work has actually been very understanding which surprised me.
Life before repair was rather depressing, would not let hubby look there at all as my rectocele actually hung outside the entrance. I couldn't have a normal bowel movement unless using laxatives and in the end I even struggled with them. Splinting became the norm. But it's not normal to have to live your life like that at the age of 36 .
Life after repair, well it has greatly improved I can poo freely, still slightly afraid of pushing to hard. I feel like the old me before kids, I'm tighter but not too tight. All my close friends have said they notice a real change in my mood a lot happier. I'm am doing pelvic floors everyday as I don't want any thing else to go wrong. I do get occasional pain around scar tissue but it is still early days, I'm now four months post op.
I would recommend anyone who has any concerns about prolapse to demand referral to gyne don't suffer unduly. We have all been in the same boat and know the emotional trauma of prolapse. It's a shame it's a very secret isolating condition when it's obvious so many women suffer with it.

Dragon if you're still about hope your recovery has gone as well as mine x

Frenchfrogbutt Thu 27-Mar-14 08:43:01

Happy This is always good to hear . I think my problème is more psychological as the rectocele had Now really reducced. Never at the entrance i cant really see te bulge actually Its like a smalll wave of skin and it doesnt pushbzither when i need to go to the loo.But the constipation is there i take a laxative but never splint . Pressure is strong on the rectum they say IT might be the hemmoroids . But i am SO tired and anxious especially in thé evening cant get that out of my head . Ans i w

Frenchfrogbutt Thu 27-Mar-14 08:48:25

And i know for sûre i wont get the operation.
I am Still on sick leave afraid to go back to work i Will need to get to the loo before leaving its just like the rectocele tool control of my Life ! I have a lot of transport !
Well anyway its good to read you tak care of your health go
And yes scaring is just at the beginning so IT Will be better and better

Noordinarygirl Thu 27-Mar-14 09:03:28

French, Happy is absolutely correct when she says there's emotional trauma that goes hand-in-hand with these prolapses. I think my 'illness' had a huge hand to play in the break up of my relationship. I admit that there were loads of other issues within our partnership but we were managing to work through everything until I became 'ill'. I don't know about everyone else but I felt as if I was almost shutting myself off from DP in some way. The hardest part is that outwardly you appear fine as it's NOT an illness/disease as such just an anatomical issue that needs fixing.

It is really pretty shitty to live with these problems and Scifi you DO really need to get a referral to a consultant IMO. I lived with a pessary for about 8/9 months but I knew it was only a short term fix until I got my op date through so it was bearable. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to live with it for much longer. I am 46 (still not old!) and I'm assuming that you are a fair bit younger. I think the pessary route is probably much more preferable for much older ladies but not those of us who have decades left and are fit and active normally. I know exactly what you mean when you say you'd rather have a one-off big fix, that's exactly how I felt. I used to go up mountains and do 30-40 mile bike rides almost every week and then it all came crashing down. I just wanted my old life back. I'm positively hopeful now as I seem to be recovering fine now. Here's hoping......

Happy where are you up to exercise-wise now? I am now doing 2 short walks each day - only approx. 1-1.5 miles but it's progress that I'm happy with at the moment. I don't want to push things just yet in case I set myself back. I tried a longer walk earlier in the week and ended up clutching my stomach on the return. It's deffo helping to keep BMs regular now. Things are good in that department for me - long may they continue. smile

clemandjaz Thu 27-Mar-14 11:16:39

I am a newbie on here but have read through a lot of other sites / threads and there seems to be more real advice and experience on here than anywhere else on the web, so thanks for letting me join in.

I am booked for anterior and posterior repair +/- vaginal hysterectomy on 15th April. I am now 57 (although find that very hard to comprehend - where did that go to...?) and have lived with prolapse since pregnancy with DS2 who is now 19.
I was told I needed a hysterectomy when he was 6 weeks old but felt very unready for that and got myself sorted out sufficiently by urodynamics etc, was fitted with a ring pessary, and managed with that just fine until the menopause when pelvic floor gave way even more.

Hadn't actually seen a gynaecologist for years, just GP nurses when having smears etc, am very comfortable changing pessary myself. My current gynae seemed amazed that I have been coping like this but reading through others' experiences I don't think it's been so bad - up until the menopause it really didn't affect my life much, certainly didn't affect my ability to exercise [was a runner] no splinting for BMs etc, just used to take the pessary out for sex, although that's not been an issue for some time now but that's another story...

Would love to hear from anyone else who has had this op at my age re recovery - what can I realistically expect to be doing when? I'm a very independent sort of person and don't like the thought of being looked after, even if DH and DSx2 were inclined to do that sort of thing [which they aren't] I'm pretty fit going into the op although not doing nearly as much exercise as I used to.

I've been told to take 6 weeks off work but would like to think I can work at home [on computer ] before then - presumably my brain will recover quicker than my body? How long to driving an automatic? I have 96 yr old Mum who lives alone and who I visit frequently - not comfortable with not being able to do that for long.

mrsclairet Fri 28-Mar-14 13:48:46

Hi I am almost 2 weeks post op. I had to get admitted to A+E for 4 days as I had a temperature and abdominal pain. I'm still not really sure what it was, the gynae team assessed me and didn't think it was related to the op, they initially said it was an infection but then later they said they don't know until they send it off to be tested and they don't get the results for 5 days. Anyway they gave me some strong antibiotics and painkillers and I am now out of hospital. I feel a bit scared though as I am still getting a bit of abdominal pain, I really don't want to end up going back there. Plus when the urogyn examined me he said that the vagina felt too tight and that I might need to get something done about that in the future. Great! But I suppose as one of my friends said I'd rather have it too tight than too loose!

Frenchfrogbutt Fri 28-Mar-14 15:02:54

Hello msclairet , good to hear from you too bad for this infection but IT seems your are well in Hand Now. Dont Worry too much now about tighten or not vagina , focus on the healing . I am in the waiting room of the second spécialist i see i dont even know why i took this appointement !
Take care

scifigeek Fri 28-Mar-14 21:49:48

Thanks to everyone for their kind comments. It's a relief to talk to people with the same problem. I know I joke about my broken fanjo, but if I don't laugh, I'll cry.

Noordinarygirl you summed it up when you said that there's emotional trauma involved with all this. After a difficult pregnancy, a horrendous birth, slow recovery from birth injury exacerbated by a break out of agonising genital boils (!), then the prolapse, I just wish I had the anatomy of a Barbie doll and could forget that anything existed 'down there'. I'm fed up of being poked and prodded and doing pelvic exercises to no avail and wandering around scared to pick anything heavy up. I just want to feel normal.

flouncymcflouncerson Fri 28-Mar-14 23:28:56

Welcome clem and hello mrsclairet

I'm still struggling along. Still waiting on 2nd opinion which I really hope is through prior to my next gyn appt. Surgery likely to be scheduled in early June. Hysterectomy and prolapse repairs. The pessary is helping in the interim but keeps dislodging and requires shoved back up for want of a better description. I'm sure it's the wrong size but can't get back to gyn before April to get a different one!

Getting quite down at the fact I'm in this mess and I've only just turned 30. Have counselling /cbt appt at end march to discuss this any many other issues,

mrsclairet Sat 29-Mar-14 11:38:22

I just wanted to say hi to the newbies. I am feeling slightly better today, just really wiped out. I can sit comfortably in a chair for short periods now which means I can sit and eat dinner with my family which is nice and I can sit at the computer for a short time. I haven't left the house for 2 weeks (apart from the hospital) and I am really starting to wish I could do more than just sitting around all the time but I know if I did go out I would feel unwell so I'll have to wait a bit longer for that! Hope everyone manages to have a nice Mother's Day.

LackaDAISYcal Sat 29-Mar-14 15:06:39

hello to all the newbies smile

My hysterectomy is booked for the 14th repairs until after that as they will not do repair surgery alongside cancer surgery and they think the hysterectomy will change things anyway. Either for the better, so no repairs needed, or for the worse, so better to see how it waffects me before making a decision.

So, it looks like this op won't be my last. I'll lurk with intent in the meantime wink

Good Luck for all the up and coming surgeries smile

mrsclairet Mon 31-Mar-14 10:20:14

LackaDaisy I'm sorry you seem to be having a really tough time of it. When I was in hospital for my infection they put me on a gynae ward and a woman who was in her late 50s I think had tvt, hysterectomy, anterior and posterior repair. I couldn't believe how well she seemed afterwards. But anyway I guess you just have to trust what they are saying.

I am feeling a bit down today. It is 2 weeks and 2 days since my 2nd op and as I wasn't having nearly as much work done I thought this would be a breeze compared to the last one but unfortunately it has been every bit as bad. It started off better, I went home the day after the op, I pooed after 2 days but then ended up in hospital with a pelvic infection and then today when I went to the toilet it really really hurt. I'm sorry moaning cos I know compared to you LackaDaisy it's not that bad, but I haven't been out of the house for 2 weeks so I need just somewhere to vent. I had a really bad night last night, I woke up at 4am and couldn't get back to sleep and had to take some co-codamol. I'm sure that after last time I wasn't still on strong painkillers after 2 weeks but I suppose my memory could be playing tricks with me.

LackaDAISYcal Mon 31-Mar-14 18:03:03

Aw, mrsc, sorry you are having a hard time sad. fwiw, my second, elective, C-section was so much worse in terms of pain and recovery than my first emergency one. I had expected to breeze through it as I had the first one, especially sonce I hadn't had 48 hours of labour before hamnd, but it really knocked me sideways. I guess you just can't tell how we are going to react.

I hope things start to feel better soon xx

I haven't had any urodynamics testing done, so I imagine that is a factor in not doing the repairs. I'm on a gynae cancer ward as well, so maybe the general gynae surgeons don't mix with the oncology gynaes?

mrsclairet Mon 31-Mar-14 22:14:36

Hmm, when I was in hospital they put me on a gynae ward but then I was under the care of the surgical team because gynae said it wasn't a gynae matter. Its frustrating when you feel like no one is communicating or working with each other. Take care xx

scifigeek Wed 02-Apr-14 13:22:43

Well some progress for me. I was offered a cancellation appointment this morning to see the specialist nurse rather than wait until the end of the month. She's confirmed that the prolapse is definitely worse and has referred me to a consultant for a 'surgical review'. So things are moving forward (unlike my insides which are moving south....).

Noordinarygirl Wed 02-Apr-14 16:18:01

Scifi I'm glad they saw you today and that you are now 'in the system'. I hope you get to see a consultant very soon. The waiting is the most frustrating part!

mrsclairet Wed 02-Apr-14 17:28:11

How is everyone else? I went for a shopping trip today which was prob a bit of a mistake but I hadn't gone anywhere for over 2 weeks, apart from the hospital and my sister in laws house so I was desperate to get out. Needless to say I am now sitting on the sofa feeling rather sore. I am going to see my consultant tomorrow but I'm feeling a bit nervous. The surgical team in a+e said I need to see him but the gynae team said the infection was not due to the operation and when I spoke to him on the phone he was basically saying the infection was nothing to do with him. I thought about cancelling but then I thought maybe I should just go for my own piece of mind. When I was in a+e they examined me and said my vagina now looks too tight so I guess I could ask the consultant about that tomorrow and see what the next steps are.

mrsclairet Wed 02-Apr-14 17:29:14

Peace of mind not piece of mind!

flouncymcflouncerson Wed 02-Apr-14 17:41:14

mrsclairet I hope the appt goes ok tomorrow. I wouldn't worry about being too tight just yet. It takes some time for the swelling post surgery to go down and that may have coloured a&e Drs view, they won't be used to seeing post op vaginas! As for doing too much , try and slow It down, I found even just a short walk was quite painful and a lot of effort and I suffered that evening and the following day. Gravity is a cruel force!

scifi it's good to get a referral and once you see the surgical team you'll know more where you stand.

I'm doing ok. Things at falling lower and lowers and my pessary needs readjusting at every bathroom visit and with an overactive bladder there are many. About 3 weeks now til I see my old surgeon again and hopefully find out what repairs he would like do alongside the hysterectomy. I'm still waiting on my 2nd opinion appt and I would ideally have had that before seeing original dr just so that I can discuss her ideas etc with him. I'm only 30 and this will be my second surgery so I would prefer something longer term however he wasn't keen to use mesh....

mrsclairet Wed 02-Apr-14 19:23:14

I'm so sorry to hear that flouncy, it is so disheartening to have to have another op. I am only 32 and my urogyn didn't want to use mesh either, he said where will we go from there? I didn't really know what he meant as I thought mesh was basically permanent but later he told me we still don't know enough about mesh and its putting a foreign body inside which can create problems. The consultant said after my 1st op my uterus had dropped but I don't think they did anything about it, I really hope that doesn't cause problems. I sometimes can't believe in this technologically advanced 21st century that there isn't more that can be done.

Noordinarygirl Thu 03-Apr-14 09:52:56

Hi everyone, I'm now 6 weeks post op - WITH MESH! - and I'm feeling SO much better. BMs still going great and I'm walking up to 1.5 miles in one go now. Anymore more than that and I still feel it too much and I get aches in my stomach and feel heavy down below. I haven't felt brave enough to 'see' if I'm too tight yet IYKWIM!

I turned a corner at 5 wks post op with energy levels, pains (stopped painkillers due to BM problems) and generally feeling more my old self. If I'm on my feet too long it does take it's toll and need to lie down for a while. Still not tried sitting on hard, office-like chairs for much more than an hour so not sure when I'll be up to going back to work. I sometime have to cover weddings and bars operations so it can involve up to 12 hours on my feet and lugging around till drawers full of cash, which I point blank refuse to do just yet.

I managed some of hovering yesterday, only hard wood floors not carpets as that involves much more 'force'. I also tried walking over a hill in the local park. Well, I got about 3 steps up and it was agony. It was only then that I realised it's such a different action to walking up and down stairs which just uses your leg muscles and not your stomach muscles! Shan't be trying that again for a while either.

I AM taking things very easy after making the HUGE mistake of doing too much too soon after my last op. My back is still holding up OK. I was VERY concerned about them pinning the mesh to my spine but it's faring pretty well to date thankfully.

Mrsclaire take it easy and try not to get too frustrated. You really must let your body heal for a while longer before putting it under too much duress.

Flouncy sorry to hear about your pessary problems. I had the same issues - having to push it back up into place all the time so I'm really glad that I don't have that any more. I'm really hoping that I don't have mesh problems in future. I think it is a pretty 'industrial' strength fix so I'm hoping I'll not have to re-visit this type of op again.

GingerPunch Thu 03-Apr-14 14:50:09

You & Yours Radio 4 today 12.00 - 1.00pm talked about problems with mesh for bladder prolapses, was quite interesting you can catch up here;

mrsclairet Thu 03-Apr-14 15:12:25

Noordinarygirl if you don't mind me asking what did you do last time that was too much? I have got a booklet from the hospital which said to have a weeks extended hosoital rest, no ironing and just light housework like dusting for the 1st 4 weeks, then you can do vacuuming etc. It says not to carry anything more than a full kettle of water for 4 weeks, no lifting furniture for at least 12 weeks but ideally never again.

I have been bending down and picking things up off the floor which I'm a bit worried I shouldn't have done but I find it almost impossible to do nothing. Last time I had my op I had to lift my very heavy 2 year old a couple of times, now he is 3 I have made sure I haven't done that and I didn't get as badly constipated this time round so I'm hoping like you noordinarygirl that I don't have to have another op again any time soon!

Mrsbapandbabies Thu 03-Apr-14 21:17:21

Hi! Haven't been on this thread since everyone encouraged me to see my GP about my rectocele last year. I am now almost 6 weeks post posterior repair and a repair to my perineum. It still hurts like buggery down there! It stings when I pee, sit down, walk, breathe ect and when I wipe it bleeds. I'm on my second lot of antibiotics - penicillin allergy so not co amoxyclav but erythromycin - for a rather rank smell. Everyone keeps telling me I'm doing too much (although they offer no help) and still need to take it easy but I've got 3 kids and my husband works alll day. I'm feeling really sore and low. I'm still exhausted all the time. Consultant said I should be able to go back to work after 6 weeks but my stitches haven't even bloody dissolved yet! I'm an ICU nurse and stand up for 13 hours a day. I don't feel anywhere near ready.

Is this normal? I feel like the severity of the op was totally underplayed by my consulatant and therefore had quite unrealistic expectations on my recovery! Does anyone else feel like this?

mrsclairet Thu 03-Apr-14 21:59:57

Yes I do. I am lucky in that I don't have to worry about going back to work but yes at 6 weeks I would never have been able to stand on my feet for 13 hours, that's totally unrealistic. I went to see my consultant tonight with my husband and he said by may when you next see me you will have started having intercourse again so you will be able to tell if its too tight or not. Now im panicking thinking I won't feel ready to have sex after 6 weeks! These consultants just all seem the same to me, its like because they're doing it everyday they don't think of it as being a big deal but it really is. Luckily I have got a really understanding husband, I don't know where on earth I would be now if I didn't!

mrsclairet Thu 03-Apr-14 22:01:30

PS go back to your gp, I am sure they will sign you off for a bit longer. Hope you feel better soon x

Mrsbapandbabies Thu 03-Apr-14 23:42:12

Thank you MrsClairet. I will go back to my GP as there's no chance I'll be back next week! I've been sent an occupational health appointment for next week despite me telling my boss how awful I feel. It's just made me feel rushed and under pressure to get better. When I saw the GP on Monday for yet more antibiotics (5weeks post repair) she asked if I'd resumed having sex. This was as she was examining me and I was in tears as she touched my very sore, bleeding, infected lady bits. I almost laughed! My husband is understanding and lovely but he has to go to work and there is no one around to help me. He has booked a night away for my birthday at the end of April and I've told him to prepare himself for no sex! Can't imagine ever wanting to have sex ever again!!

Thanks for understanding x

mrsclairet Fri 04-Apr-14 09:16:33

Thats okay! By the way I am allergic to penicillin aswell! Have you tried other antibiotics apart from erythromycin? After my last op I got an infection where there was rather a rank smell and I think it was called macrodantin, I think they are slightly stronger antibiotics but that really seemed to clear it up and get rid of the smell. Have they sent off a culture to see if anything grows? I ended up with about 4 different antibiotics and it wasn't until the smell got really bad that they gave me the macrodantin.

Noordinarygirl Fri 04-Apr-14 09:46:17

Mrsclaire I went back to work after 3.5 weeks following lap. sub-total hysterectomy (and removal of a huge fibroid and dilatation of my urethra as I hadn't been able to pee all the time and had to self-catheterise on and off for 6 months). A locum GP signed me back to work as I said I felt fine. What a big mistake that was. I was walking way too much each day and generally doing all the housework as I used to do. I definitely think that anything involving crouching down should have been banned for a lot longer and carrying heavy loads of washing and cooking big meals for 6 also didn't help. Everyone just assumed (me included) that I was my old self and able to do anything. I just didn't think about all the stuff trying to still heal inside as I had no pain or anything.

That's why I'm being a bit of a 'lazy mare' this time. That said I went out yesterday (back to Slimming World as I've put on a stone - EEK!) and had to sit on a pretty hard chair for an hour, which was NOT comfortable at all. Then I went shopping but by the end of it I was really pretty uncomfortable and had to go and lie down at home. I was supposed to go back out at 5.30pm to take DD1 to street dance but couldn't face the thought of sitting again for a couple of hours so I managed to get a lift for her from someone else, whilst I stayed at home lying propped up on the sofa. That said our ops were not exactly the same and I'm trying to protect my back somewhat too (as they had to pin the mesh onto my spine). The rectum repair also gets quite painful if I've done too much and it all generally feels like someone has kneed me in the crotch if I've walked and been upright for too long yet.

My sick note last until 20th April, at which point I'll be just under 9 weeks post op and I still don't think I'll be up to going back to work at that point so I'm hoping to try and get another 4 weeks off as I know as soon as I go back seemingly fit and well, my insides will be forgotten by everyone there and they just won't understand the pain that comes after doing too much. I just really want to protect myself from any more ops in future. It's also better to have just one incident of sickness (however long) rather than 2. There are more job losses looming and I know that they DO look at sickness records going back 2 years and it's the number of absences rather than the length that they look at. Oh well, if I'm for the chop at least I should be fit enough to seek employment elsewhere!

Noordinarygirl Fri 04-Apr-14 09:46:51

Oh and btw there's no way I'd entertain sex yet either!

mrsclairet Sun 06-Apr-14 11:02:24

I think I said the wrong antibiotic, I think it was metronadizole. Sorry about that.

Thanks noordinarygirl, its always interesting to know how much others are doing. I am 3 weeks now post op and haven't done anything like ironing yet but have been picking things up off the floor and putting washing away.

I feel a little bit down at the moment as I have a pile which is causing problems. It hurts when I go to the toilet and it is still hard to get clean. I was secretly hoping that was the rectocele and so this operation would fix it but it seems not.

Noordinarygirl Sun 06-Apr-14 22:27:29

Mrs Claire I also have a pile but it comes and goes depending on how 'easy' my BMs are. It seems a lot better than before the op and I'm hoping when I finally regain full muscle strength down there it will be much improved again.

I still have to rush to the loo if I've had too much fibre IYKWIM as I can't seem to hold it in at all. If I need to go....I don't have long to get to the loo. It's a real guessing game knowing how much is just the right amount of fibre to eat without risking getting 'caught out' if I'm out walking. Has anyone else had this problem? It's from one extreme to another! So unfair confused

mrsclairet Mon 07-Apr-14 12:08:27

I can't believe I am talking about this but my bottom is so sore, I have put a bit of sudocrem on it and a bit of anusol but they don't seem to be helping. I have got to go to the doctors today to get more of the pill on repeat prescription so I might ask her but I am so fed up of people looking at my backside!! When I had to go into hospital I got a really upset stomach and I didn't have any cream with me, then I wasn't really sure if I could put it on so I think that's why it has got so sore. Noordinarygirl I agree that it is so unfair. I am pretty much not doing anything these days, not exercising, not going out socially because I am afraid of making the prolapse worse or I feel uncomfortable. The operation has made the prolapse better but I still can't go out on long days out with my kids because the pile makes standing up and walking uncomfortable. I just want to be able to live a normal life, I get by and still do stuff with my kids like take them to the cinema etc but just wish I could get out and do a bit more while I'm still young.

Frenchfrogbutt Mon 07-Apr-14 13:49:54

Hello all
Me again ! With the exact same issue than both of you but without the operation. :-) meaning finding the right amount o fiber to go ton the loo with rhe good shape not too hard not liquid and managing a painful pile .
Msclairet and nordinary i understand you are FED up with all that
But hang on others have seen light at the end of the famous tunnel and you are so lucky to be post op. I am sûre that after complète healing post op you Will manage it. On my side i cut tea coffee spices i bath after each poo my but in a very cold water and noticed suppositories were more efficient eventhough i am lucky enough to have internal and External piles ! Good luck to both of you

mrsclairet Tue 08-Apr-14 09:43:40

Thanks French frog, yes I am glad I am post op, I think i just have to come to terms with the fact that the operation isn't going to solve all my problems which is going to take a bit of time. I had been taking one dulcoease a day which meant I didn't get constipated but as it is a stimulant laxative I'm not sure about the effects of taking it every day. I haven't left the house since Saturday either I think for my own sanity I need to get out of the house today!

happylilme Tue 08-Apr-14 22:11:32

Hi all thought I would pop my head back in with an update. Well my recovery has gone well back to gym and doing lots of walking etc. My scar tissue is feeling smaller now, no big ridge or zip line running down. I am a bit over keen with the old pelvic floors with my gp telling me to calm down. I'll be bulging with Muscles down there as opposed to bulging with prolapse.
I do tend to still get bouts of constipation even though I eat prunes apricots and fibre. I drink a lot of water but I guess my constipation is going to be part of my life. It's just difficult when you feel you are doing everything to prevent it.
You have my sympathies Mrsclairet about your rather sore bum. I wasn't sure if mine was caused by the swelling post op or the over pooing but sometimes the pain was terrible. It has all settled down now. I found cold water to relief the pain and lying down on bed with legs apart. The things us poor women have to deal with. But on the whole my foofoo has been to hell and back but things look rather healthy down thereblush

mrsclairet Wed 09-Apr-14 12:30:09

Ah thanks happylilme yes its hard when you are in the middle of recovery to see the light at the end of the tunnel but its nice to be reminded its not all doom and gloom. My dh has bought white bread which has caused me to get constipated again. I also find it hard sometimes to keep fresh fruit in the house, we always seem to have a couple of days a week when we have run out of fruit and its not convenient to get to the shops. Does anyone else get abdominal pain with constipation? I have had a scan and they have ruled out anything serious so now I'm wondering whether its my diet that is causing it.

NoKidz Wed 09-Apr-14 18:48:47

I've read warm prune juice can really help get things moving. Prunes themselves too of course, more likely these won't run out so you could take some extra when the fruit cupboard is bare.
Magnesium is also said to help. (Milk of Magnesia as well maybe?)

lotsofquestions3 Wed 09-Apr-14 21:09:15

Hi just checking in again (with a slightly changed name! reregistered as forgotten password and changed email address) I am about 6mnths post rectocele repair but have other issues now and just wondering if anybody on here has got/had similar! I have recently been referred to a continence nurse [embarrassed] at my young age!! cos I need to wee rather often (cant usually last longer than 2hrs) Anyway after a few sessions with her she tells me that my bladder doesn't empty properly. She has now referred me back to gynae although I am not really sure if it is a gynae problem or not. It was something I mentioned to my GP when I got referred but she said to see how I was after repair. Well initially I seemed much better but this has gradually gone back to how it was before. I don't think my rectocele has returned (it certainly doesn't seem that way) and I would have thought/hoped that if there were any more gynae issues then they would have been picked up on before op. Anyway if they aren't gynae issues then this is probably the wrong forum but I wondered if anyone else has experienced anything similar.

By the way - all those of you more recently post op and experiencing bowel issues, I can sympathise with you. I am not sure if it is cos we are now much more aware of straining things that the bowels go on strike more now or the op itself but I find I still have to take laxitives every now and again as just cant go sometimes - there is no rhyme nor reason for it, but the trouble I find now is that the laxitives just don't work as well as they did before so can still struggle. Although things have been a bit easier now weather is getting better as Im eating more salads which seem to help

happylilme Wed 09-Apr-14 22:11:02

Mrsclairet I get lots of abdominal pain when constipated I even get back pain and a light head. After years of complaining about back pain etc I have now realised it's all down to constipation.I have also realised that about 10 days prior to period I get badly constipated and then a day before I go the other way (sorry tmi) I asked gp about any links and he said that hormones do play a role in our bowel habits. I complete cut out carbs and tea/coffee/alcohol and try to drink lots of water (which I struggle with) I have only started this experiment but I will try anything.

Lotsof sorry to hear you are experiencing more issues I hope you get answers soon. I haven't had issues as such just this blinking constipation malarkey. I think I think about to much now. I mean if I don't go everyday now I start to get concerned

happylilme Wed 09-Apr-14 22:13:40

I'm going to try the warm prune juice. Yuk but like I said I'll try anything confused

Noordinarygirl Wed 09-Apr-14 23:21:09

Hi All, I'm now 7 weeks post op and everything's good. I had my check up with consultant yesterday and he said everything is looking (and feeling) fine. I did tell him about my early bowel issues but (touch wood) since I came off all the painkillers it's all been good with BMs. I have to go back again in another 4 months before I'm taken 'off the books' but I'm feeling very positive about it all now - eventually.

I can now walk 2 miles pretty easily and at a good pace without any repercussions so it'll be brilliant when I can get back to my 4/5 miles most days.

I still eat loads of fruit and always have tins of prunes in the cupboard, just in case! I'm convinced that it's a mix of walking and no painkillers that has helped massively.

I still have another week and a half off work and I'm personally hoping for a little longer when my current sick note runs out. I know I still wouldn't yet be able to sit for extended periods of time at a desk or be on my feet for up to 12 hours a day, dependent upon which type of 'shifts' I'm doing. That alongside the fact that me and my partner are going through a hellish split and are about to put the house on the market is not helping my stress levels either. So, thank God that my body is well on the way to recovery now or I think I'd go mad! The thought of moving house is filling me with dread.

I'd say my biggest turning points on the road to recovery were around week 4/5 and then another around 6/7.

Happy it's fabulous to hear that you're back at the gym and can I ask how long/gradient/hills/mountains you're walking now? Rucksack size? Any cycling? Really curious to know when I can expect to be far more my old self as far as getting out and about is concerned.

Mrsclaire whilst I was having bouts of horrendous constipation I had terrible stomach ache and I also felt very nauseous with it too. I continue to drink peppermint tea everyday and that helps with all sorts of digestive problems IMO.

happylilme Thu 10-Apr-14 13:19:45

Noordinary I would say it wasn't until the 3rd month that I felt totally like old self again. I can knock out a couple of peaks now up in the high peaks, not sure how big but I still struggle to carry anything heavier than 5 - 7lb bag for any considerable distance, I get uncomfortable after a short distance. I do running machine on a low gradient tried fast walking on high gradient but felt pulling. I cycle to work everyday with no problems about 6 miles a day . I did a 10k walk other week on hilly terrain as was absolutely fine. Glad you are well on road to recovery x

mrsclairet Thu 10-Apr-14 17:13:28

Thanks for the advice, I had some veg soup today for lunch and I have got some peppermint tea in the cupboard so I will try that later.

Noordinarygirl I am hoping for a turning point soon, it will be 4 weeks on sat so I'm hoping I will be able to drive next week. I'm sorry you are going through a split. My cousin is going through a divorce at the moment which is really sad, she has a 6 year old and a 12 year old.

Happylilme wow that is really impressive! Did you have mesh? I didn't so I'm going to make sure I'm really careful but I suppose you have still got to live your life.

Lotsofquestions could you have a bladder prolapse? I had bowel and bladder and I felt like I needed the toilet constantly. I still feel now if I get constipated that causes problems with emptying my bladder.

Dragonroad Fri 11-Apr-14 16:51:28

Hi. Glad to hear all of those who I was chatting to during my operation are recovering well. All is ok with me. I am back at work and feeling fine. I get a bit sore due to the TVT at times - a sort of heavy, pulling, swollen pain or ache that lasts 24 hours around my bladder. It's not often now.
My bits and pieces are all working as they should. I have lost the urge to tell everyone I didn't pee myself every time I sneeze and I have been on a trampoline! Happy days.

Frenchfrogbutt Sat 12-Apr-14 09:00:48

Hello again me with a question have you noticed for those who had a rectocele that you were more enclined to dévelop
Bladder infection or vaginal irritation ? Yesterday i went to my gyn for a cystite and hé told me that besides the rectocele that is indeed often associated with that kind of pbs there was also the fact that my perineum was shorter meaning that the distance between vagina and anus is shorter . He added something very weird that chir would be unlikely to offer operation anyway as often on case of too short perineum these ops failed ? Why on earth ? I dont understand ... Each visite each week bring me Awful perspective for the future ..

lauren6283 Sat 12-Apr-14 13:18:51

Hey everyone
I have recently been to my GP as I think I have a prolapse in my rectum and he has referred my to gynae. My appointment is this week and I'm terrified of what it all means. Reading some of your posts is quite scary.

So I was just wondering if anyone can give me a heads up on what I need to know? Or anything I need to do or anything that can help me? Just looking for any support really.

Hope everyone else is well :-)

Frenchfrogbutt Sat 12-Apr-14 18:41:54

Sorry that you have to live that . I dont really know
The english health système SO wont be able to tell you about the différents Steps in the process
Is IT a rectocele or a prolapse of the rectum itself i guess IT Will dépend on which IT is your gp is either likely to send you to physio or to surgeon consultant Gynecologue if its a rectocele most of the Time or proctologue if its a prolapse and if they décide surgery is the best option.
I suggest you write down all your symptoms and feelings as well as a list of question and that you go to the meetings with your partner not only for support but also its always better to remember everything that was SAID . I noticed that i was so emotional during those meeting that i almost black out after . Dont Worry all the members of the thread Will give you more pertinent answers . Take care !

Noordinarygirl Sat 12-Apr-14 23:34:05

Lauren is it a prolapse of your bowel into your vagina (rectocele) or a rectal prolapse? I'm sorry I only have 'experience' of a rectocele (and other stuff!) and not the other. I'm sure someone will be along soon who has had the same.

All you need to know is that we are all here for you to help support as best we can and to send you big cyber hugs and to let you know that you most deffo are not alone. These things are all very, VERY scary when they happen but please let me assure you that there are things that can be done and ladies do recover from such hideous stuff because we're strong and tough!!!!

Dragon great to hear from you. SO pleased you are doing really well. Strangely enough I have also started telling my daughters to appreciate the little things like sneezing and running whilst they are young. Oh how naiive they are!

Happy are you really running??? I AM impressed. Brilliant to see you are now through to the other side of all your problems at long last. It seems an age to me since I last felt 'normal' and to hear how you are doing cheers me up massively.

French my rectocele wasn't SO big. I didn't get any infections but it did rub quite a bit if my bowels were pretty full (sorry if that's TMI!). Sending you big hugs from me.

Frenchfrogbutt Sun 13-Apr-14 08:54:56

Thanks noordinary mine is small too but low. I really hope its not related but more linked to the postpartum dryness.
Well well see ! Hugs & bisous have a lovely sunday

mrsclairet Sun 13-Apr-14 22:02:17

Hi I am feeling really emotional tonight. I had a bit of a look and a feel down there which I probably shouldn't have done as it has only been 4 weeks but it just seems so different and it doesn't really feel right. I know its early days and I won't do it again for a while but I just feel like the op hasn't really fixed things. I am sore because it always deems to be wet down there, I don't feel like I'm leaking but I guess I must be leakimg small amounts. I haven't had a tvt put in. I'm not sure I can use any cream because it is in the area between my vagina and anus. The urogyn said my perineum was too short and I thought the operation was going to go some way to fix this but now I don't think it has. If I put cream on my bottom it seems to get through to my vagina. I'm terrified of having sex and I can't seem to keep my bottom clean. I feel like an 80 year old not a 32 year old. My dh goes back to work tomorrow as it has been 4 weeks since my op. My kids are 3 and 5 and they just don't understand why mummy can't do everything. This is just so hard.

lauren6283 Sun 13-Apr-14 22:51:13

Thankyou so much for your support frenchfrogbutt and noordinarygirl I really appreciate your kind words. I am not really sure but I think it's a rectocele, I had a third degree tear when my son was born 5 months ago and have only just realised that a lot of my symptoms aren't just normal after childbirth which is what I thought for a while. Things just aren't the same, but reading up on what others have said, I'm not really hopeful :-(

mrsclairet big hugs. Am sorry I don't have anything else useful to say but I hope things improve soon.

Frenchfrogbutt Mon 14-Apr-14 07:21:01

MsClairet dont jump too Quick on conclusion and remember its a second op do IT might take longer to heal . Please Call and insist to have a meeting with your consultant asap. Big hugs and take care you Will be soon better

happylilme Mon 14-Apr-14 19:59:00

Lauren your story sounds very like mine. I had a third degree tear, although at the time was told second. I waited 15 months before I went to see Gp through embarrassment. she said the only way to repair the rectocele was surgery. So that was the end of last August, seen consultant in September who told me that it appeared my stitches around my perineum had come away therefore my rectocele got worse. Had my pre op November then operation on 6th December. It all happened quite quickly for me. I have no regrets so far about having surgery. I can poo normal now, things are soooo much better in the bedroom department and I actually feel normal down there again. I live in fear that it will return but fingers crossed.

Yes noordinary and Mrsclairet, running again albeit rather slowly have not tried out on the road and don't think I will due to the harder impact.

Mrsclairet, I can remember the watching stageshock and it does shock you, wondering what it going to look like, feel etc. it does improve very quickly after about 10 weeks. I always had a wetness feeling also and to this day I don't really know what caused it but that cleared up also. It's still very early days and don't be too hard on yourself. You will heal but I understand your apprehension from the previous surgery. Think positive thoughts, easier said than done I know, but it will help with your recovery. Hopefully when you see the surgeon again that this will reassure you.
You have my sympathy It is hard with two kids, my youngest was about 20 months when I had my op but we do what us mums do best struggle on and we get through. Just do the minimum would be my advice your house won't fall down. hope today was a better day thanks

mrsclairet Wed 16-Apr-14 07:25:04

Hi happylilme thanks for that message that was really lovely. Its so good to hear positive stories! I have just got to get through the next 2 days and tn my dh will be off over the Easter weekend. I have been trying to just do the Minimum housework. I haven't done any ironing or vacuuming or cleaning the bathroom but I will tackle that when the kids are back at school. thanks again for your message x

mrsclairet Wed 16-Apr-14 07:28:51

PS thanks Lauren and French frog too. I thought that I had a 2nd degree tear with both my boys but when I saw the consultant he said he thought it was a missed third degree tear. My 2nd son was 9lb 7ozs and I am only 5'3. The consultant couldn't believe I had given birth naturally!

kazzawazzawoo Wed 16-Apr-14 20:48:07

Hi. I have posted before, but it's a while ago. I haven't been to see my gp yet. It's not easyto get appointments and I suppose I don't really want confirmation that something's wrong.

However, when I try to insert my mooncup or a tampon I can feel a bulge and when I push against it, it feels like I'm pushing against my bowel. It's becoming increasingly difficult to get my mooncup in, impossible at times.

I can't talk to my husband about it, I struggle to talk about anything embarrassing with him. I feel old sad I'm rubbish at doing pelvic floor exercises, never sure I'm doing them right. I'm terrified I'll need surgery.

kianaidan Thu 17-Apr-14 11:19:49

Clairet - no advise to offer but wanted tosay I know how u feel. I was told I had a 2nd degree tear with each of my 3 boys. Yet had an EUA that showed I have short perinium and also bleed from back during menstration. Also have messy clean up after bm which makes me feel 80 not nearly 30.

lauren6283 Thu 17-Apr-14 14:26:24

Am feeling really fed up today as my gynaecology appointment for this afternoon was cancelled this morning. So now I'm waiting even longer to find out what (if anything) can be done. Am just so fed up and feel bad for my husband as we haven't been able to do anything in the bedroom for over 6 months now. :-( How long did it take for everyone else to get sorted after initial GP appointments?

kazzawazzawoo It sounds similar to my situation but I also find it difficult to empty my bowels properly. If you don't go to your Gp things won't get better. I know it's terrifying, it was for me too. But I found a really nice one and he was lovely. Don't suffer because you're embarrassed about something the Gp probably won't even think twice about. xx

mrsclairet Thu 17-Apr-14 16:33:56

kianaidan yes that sounds exactly like me! Sorry I can't remember whether you've said before but have you had surgery yet? I have no idea whether he has made my perineum longer or not. I think that was the plan with this surgery. I think next time I see my consultant I will have to go in with a list of questions as otherwise I come out thinking oh I wish i had asked such and such.

kazzawazzawoo I used to be so embarassed about everything but I've kind of got over it now. My dh came to the appointment with the consultant and that helped as the consultant explained everything and then suddenly my dh understood that they had really messed up the stitching after I had given birth. I have been examined my so many different people now, the worst was by quite a young, handsome doctor when I was in A+E. But the more I talk to people about it or hear stories from people on the internet I realise that it's really common and the gp will have seen it all a hundred times before.

lauren6283 I know how you feel, it has been 3 years since I had sex with my dh and I feel so bad as he is only 33. We have talked about it and he assures me he is okay but I do have really down days sometimes where I think maybe he should go and find someone else. It hasn't helped recently that my cousin's husband has told her he doesn't love her anymore and she is devastated. That is the 1st person close to me who is going through a divorce and it has knocked me sideways. They have a 6 and a 12 year old and it's just so sad. Anyway my ds has just come to the computer...I better go!

kazzawazzawoo Thu 17-Apr-14 21:11:09

Thanks for the replies. My dh has no idea there is anything wrong. I can't bring myself to tell him.

I will see my gp soon.

kazzawazzawoo Fri 18-Apr-14 16:54:30

I did actually pluck up the courage to tell dh I think something's wrong, as I didn't want him to think we weren't having sex because I didn't want to sad

kianaidan Sat 19-Apr-14 21:14:04

Clairet sorry for delay was my 30th yesterday. had no surgery. only had issues for past 9mths after my 3rd baby, quick birth but stitches came out early. I have no bulge or incontinence fortunately but have to use baby wipes inside after every bm. I have a weak pelvic floor. been having tests to see if I havr a rectal vaginal fistula as I have bleeding from tge back during periids and gas from tge front.

mrsclairet Sun 20-Apr-14 14:00:30

That's alright you don't have to apologise! Hope you had a good birthday. I hope you find out what the problem is. I passed gas through the front sometimes before my op, not always. It has happened a couple of times since the op but not as bad. I am so fed up of worrying and wondering if everything is ok now and how long its going to last for and whether the pain is normal, or the constipation is normal. Its exhausting! I went shopping yesterday and pushed a trolley round Sainsbury's. I didn't do a big weekly shop but I had quite a bit of pain this morning and now I'm worried about whether I should have done it or not.

kianaidan Sun 20-Apr-14 17:59:37

Hugs Claire - Its really hard to not do when u have 2 little ones relying on u. Maybe start shopping online and u can save ur energy for a short walk to the park with kids, much more worthwhile tge strain.

mrsclairet Mon 21-Apr-14 07:34:28

I'm really sorry to be on here moaning so much but I don't really have anyone else to moan to! I am 5 weeks post op now and I don't know if I am brewing some sort of infection. I have continued to have a yellowy discharge but I have just been to the toilet and its brown now on my pad. I am feeling a bit fed up because I am also bleeding a tiny bit when I do a poo and after I do a wee I still feel like its wet which makes me sore. I tell my dh a bit of this but he gets fed up if I moan too much. It looks like I need to up the fibre. I just feel like I'm sore all the time and its hard to stay upbeat and cheerful when you don't ever get any relief. Then of course I've got my 3 and 5 year old on at me, I can't wait till they go back to school!
Kianaidan I do usually get deliveries, I paid for a years worth of free deliveries just before my op but I wanted to go to Sainsburys to look at the clothes and I thought we only need a few things but then it always ends up being more than you think.

kianaidan Mon 21-Apr-14 07:53:28

Sorry Clairet - didn.t realise. Hope its not an infection. I see ur kids have u up early too lol. If hubbys off today try and get some chill time. Take Care

mrsclairet Mon 21-Apr-14 17:57:31

I have overdone it again today, oww oww oww! We went to a craft centre and they had an Easter egg hunt and a car boot sale so I ended up being on my feet for an hour and a half. It was fun but now I'm paying for it big time. Tomorrow both the kids are at school and pre school so I'm definitely going to put my feet up, the jobs can wait!

flouncymcflouncerson Mon 21-Apr-14 17:59:19

I lost track of the thread and have just found you all.

I have my appt with consultant tomorrow to discus going on waiting list for my next surgery. Still haven't heard from my 2nd opinion hospital yet which is annoying as I'd hoped to know what's he recommended prior to gettin placed on the waiting list. I just feel a hysterectomy is quite radical and wondered whether there is another option. I have a uterine prolapse and bladder and likely bowel too. I had surgery for the bladder in November but although it went well it's now reoccurred, likely due to hypermobility. What should I be asking tomorrow???

Also I'm looking at losing my job. Not great but I don't have many other options.

Noordinarygirl Mon 21-Apr-14 21:41:22

I thought I'd put in a good news story to let all you ladies know that there is life after prolapse. At 4 weeks post op I was able to walk only 1 mile before things started to really hurt. Now at 9 weeks post op I can comfortably walk 3-4 miles with no pain at all.

BMs are now regular and good but I do have a very high fibre diet and everything is on the up at last. (Apart from splitting up with my partner and now living through the hell of trying to keep the house tidy for viewings for selling the house. With 4 teenagers in the house it's a pretty tall order, let me tell you.)

I DO still get the odd painful twinge if I've really done too much. I'm still avoiding lifting baskets of wet washing along with hoovering carpets and lifting shopping bags. I also can't sit on hard chairs for too long without it being uncomfortable but that will come in time. The consultant is happy with my progress and says everything is healing beautifully. Phew!!

I have not had sex (as I am now officially single again) but I can tell you that with the aid of 'Roger' I can let you know that things are tighter down there (but not too tight) and I seem to be working just fine, thank you very much!! wink

Please do not lose heart if you are at the beginning or middle of the nightmare that is the world of prolapses. There is hope and things can get better. (For those that don't know my back story - I had a pretty major op called a sacrocolpopexy along with a 'mobilisation' of my rectum which followed 14 months after initial sub-total hysterectomy).

Take care all you lovely ladies living through your own personal battles and woes with your insides. Big hugs to all x smile

lauren6283 Tue 22-Apr-14 07:58:06

flouncy my heart goes out to you. Am so sorry that you have ended up having to have a hysterectomy. I hope everything turns out ok.

mrsclairet If I were you I would go back to GP or consultant and let them know you're having problems. You don't have anything to lose right?

noordinarygirl this 'roger' sounds like the perfect guy grin

mrsclairet Tue 22-Apr-14 09:44:09

flouncy one thing I have learnt through all this is not just to accept everything that the doctors say. If you are not sure ask lots of questions or get a second opinion. A hysterectomy is major surgery.

noordinarygirl thanks for the positive story. I feel a bit frustrated because I had started to feel better after my last surgery and now I feel a bit like I'm back at square one and I think I might have a fissure because it hurts when I poo and there's a tiny bit of blood. It seems with the surgery that you always get constipated and then that makes my piles flare up but hopefully in another month or so I will be feeling a lot better. Sorry you're going through a break up, hope the house sells soon!

lauren I have got an appointment with my consultant on 12th May. I think the pain is probably just due to overdoing things and my piles, the kids were driving me mad in the house and my dh had got a bit fed up of taking them out on his own, plus he was back at work last week so I felt I had to get them out of the house. I think it was blood yesterday, I'm sure they told me you can get discharge for 4-6 weeks so I'm not too concerned at the moment and it doesn't smell so I don't think there's an infection but I will keep an eye on it. Now the kids are at school I'm going to go and take up residence on the sofa!!

Hello again

I posted on a previous thread and got some lovely support but have come back because I am fed up of my broken bits (rectocele) and the ache and the weirdness and the not being able to have a poo like a normal person. Just totally fed up. I'm only 33 ffs and I feel quite broken. Sex is ok, some parts are a bit numb yet burny but I think that is episiotomy scar tissue (9lb6 baby, forceps, then an infection and abscess makes for one unhappy perineal area)

I'm seeing my gp tomorrow for a medication review but am going to ask for a referal to physio to try get some sort improvement. Doing pelvic floor exercises seems to have made a little difference, things feel a little bit less 'protruding' but it's not great and I'm just so aware of it.

Lauren6283 my daughter is 5 months too, our fanjos got broken at the same time.

I really want to be able to exercise as although I've lost the baby weight I was very fat to start with so need to keep going. Apart from swimming, has anybody got any suggestions for what I can do to get more active and shift some lard. I've been told running isn't a good this true?

flouncymcflouncerson Fri 25-Apr-14 09:43:20

Hello. I had my appt this week with original surgeon. I seen a registrar initially but on talking to me she went and got the consultant. He said to wait and see what urogyn say as he agrees that's a good idea. He will try and speed up appt and we should wait and see what they suggest. He thinks I'm better to get a full review and need only one surgery.... My point all along so why did no one suggest it!

Le1890 Fri 25-Apr-14 10:31:06

Ladies can I ask for some advice please?

After feeling a pressure sensation I went to my gp who diagnosed a mild cystocele and rectocele.

I am having problems fully emptying my bladder in the when I go to the loo and finish then stand up a tiny bit dribbles out when I move. I also feel when I need a poo that it feels worse. Generally when I am on my feet I just feel like I want to pee a lot of the time.

Is it even possible to have these symptoms with what I believe is a grade 1 in the cyst and rec?

My gp has referred me to a urogyn mainly because I'm worried something bad is wrong. I had my second baby 1 year ago, forceps and 3rd degree tear.

I'm stressing out worrying.


mrsclairet Sat 26-Apr-14 07:45:31

Le1890 yes you can. When I went in for my 1st operation he said afterwards that when they opened me up it was worse than they thought because my uterus had started to drop as well as my bladder and bowel. Plus gp's aren't specialists. Apparently a urogyn is the specialist rather than just a general gynaecologist.
It is now 6 weeks since my op. I had such bad abdominal pains the other day they sent a doctor out in the night and he said it could be IBS. It would explain the constipation. So I've got to go back to my gp to discuss that. I'm still getting sore from feeling a bit wet, I don't know whether that will go or not. I should really start doing my pelvic floor exercises.

Le1890 Sat 26-Apr-14 09:50:25

Thanks Mrscairet

Can I ask what you symptoms were pre op?

I'm also noticing that when I'm sitting on the loo for example and I have a feel around inside tmi I know that incar now feely cervix just sitting there too!! It feels very low down.

I know for a fact that it wasn't like this before as we planned our second baby to the letter and I was in tune with when I was ovulating etc and I remmber ladies saying they would check the position of their cervix and for the life of menu could not reach to feel it! Now when I feel in whilst sitting on toilet it's not far up at all!

That's a nightmare regarding the ibs.y gp had said that often after a surgery or severe stomach big etc etc then that when ibs can flare. I had a serious food poisoning (from Greece) 10 years ago and was hospitalised for a week when I got home. It took me a year for my bowels and stomach to feel 'well'.

You sound as though you are recovering well which is so encouraging to hear.

mrsclairet Sat 26-Apr-14 12:09:02

My symptoms were needing to go to the toilet very often and soemtimes feeling like I wasn't going to get there in time! (for wees, not poos) Also a very heavy dragging feeling when I had been on my feet for a long time. I don't think that ever goes away completely, but it gets better. I find that so hard because there are so many situations where everyone else is just standing up and nobody sees a problem with it, for eg I had to ask for a chair at my son's nativity play because we got there a bit late and all the seats had gone but I knew I wouldn't be able to stand for 30 or 40 minutes.

The recovery is not easy, I'm constantly worrying about whether I have lifted something too heavy or whether I have damaged the repairs by getting constipated etc etc but it definitely looks a lot different and I think that psychologically that is a really good thing. You don't expect to find something falling out of your body and I think that puts a huge strain on you emotionally. I still worry about how long it will last but I think you just have to try and enjoy now and not think too far ahead.

I hope the urogyn will be able to help you x

lauren6283 Sat 26-Apr-14 22:07:11

MsFanackerPants your situation sounds very similar to mine. I'm very overweight at the moment and I know it's not helping at all but I've had an eating disorder in the past and my issues with food are just so hard to deal with on top of everything else! Well done to you for losing weight and not giving up now!

I don't know what exercise you could do, swimming is probably a good one, what about yoga or something like that? I don't think running is a old idea because there will be a lot of pressure on your pelvic floor and that's why you have to avoid long periods of standing and heavy lifting. Did you get a referral? I hope so. My first appointment is at the end of this week (unless they cancel again!) and I'm dreading it.

lauren6283 Sat 26-Apr-14 22:09:46

flouncy Sometimes, no actually a lot of the time, doctors need to be told the bleeding obvious! Try and be assertive if you can :-)

mrsclairet Sun 27-Apr-14 10:09:17

Hi, oh I'm back to lying on the sofa today, I can't sit on a hard chair, its just too uncomfortable. I didn't do a bm yesterday but usually I go every day. Its just so hard though and hurts every time I go. I worry that I am doing some damage because even though I have been going regularly its really hard. Something really really hurts today, I can't tell whether its just pain from constipation or whether its a stitch been pulled. I'm not sure when all the stitches are supposed to be out?

mrsclairet Sun 27-Apr-14 17:42:20

I think it was pain from constipation as I went to the toilet and feel a bit better now. I am feeling like I have spoilt brats for children though. They haven't been out anywhere today as we are getting bunk beds soon so we had a big sort out. Anyway they have just spent all day saying I'm hungry, I want a biscuit, I want a drink, I want to watch TV. I am counting down the minutes till they go to bed!

I had to rearrange my doc appointment as it was the locum who while very nice I don't really want rummaging around. My female GP also did my six week check so she knows what it was like before and can also look at the stupid scar.

I can't do yoga because I'm hypermobile so I can get into the positions easily but not properly. I might give pilates another bash though as it's good for strengthening core so I reckon it should help pull everything together a bit.

bmrsclairet* have you got dissolving stitches? If you're not sure get it checked out.
I found that for epic constipation a combination of prunes, coffee and branflakes got things going as well as copious amounts of water, however it was like giving birth again and I did cry a bit. I also had to use a gloved finger to erm probe a bit to get things going. Once it all got started it was fine.

mrsclairet Tue 29-Apr-14 13:16:22

Hi, I am feeling a bit happier today so thought I would post a more positive message for once! I went to the GP and she said I have got a tear so she has given me some laxatives (laxido) and she said then it should heal. I have been having abdominal pain too but I told her I have been taking 1 dulcoease a day and she said that can cause abdominal cramps. So hopefully on the laxido I will start to feel better and won't be in agony every time I need to do a poo!!

Noordinarygirl Tue 29-Apr-14 23:29:24

mrsclaire are you still on painkillers? I took myself off them as my constipation was horrendous at times and I had to use micro enemas (it would take more than 1 normally!). Since then I've been absolutely fine with no BM problems at all. I was convinced that I'd damaged the surgeons work when I was totally bunged up. It almost felt like I was trying to push a tennis ball out of my backside sometimes!

BTW - I STILL can't sit on hard chairs too long and I'm 10 weeks post op. I would say 2/3 hours absolute maximum at the moment - thankfully have 3 weeks on current sick note left.

mrsclairet Wed 30-Apr-14 15:06:14

noordinarygirl no I'm not on painkillers still. The laxido seemed to have an immediate effect, so I'm sure I will be fine on them but not sure how long I will have to be on them for! It's also disgusting to drink but with some food it's not too bad.

That's really great that you have more time off work. I had a big chat/argument with my dh at the weekend. We sort of sorted things out in the end but this had certainly put our relationship under a lot of pressure! He finds it hard that I'm not happy a lot of the time and I'm moaning, I try to be positive but I have to be so strong for the kids when he gets home I tend to offload on him. I still just find that I'm sore a lot of the time, either from going to the toilet being painful or from feeling like I've got nappy rash!! I am still wearing pads, the discharge is a lot less now but it must be a bit of stress incontinence I guess and that gets me down. Still he's right in that you only have one life, I just so wish I didn't have this at the age of 32!

I am going to see my consultant on the 12th may and there's loads of questions that I want to ask but I bet he'll just be like yeah you're fine, off you go. They seem to be so uninterested in my opinion!

lauren6283 Fri 02-May-14 14:13:42

I really need some advice. I'm so angry and upset right now.

I'm pretty sure I have a rectocele, from what my GP has said and from looking up my symptoms online. (Sex is too painful, I cannot finish a bowel movement, when I sit in the bath it feels as if things are falling out, and I cannot use a tampon all since my son was born 6 months ago.) So my GP referred me to a gynaecologist and my appointment was cancelled two hours beforehand.

I got another appointment which I went to this morning. They were over an hour behind and when I eventually got seen the guy barely examined me before saying there was nothing wrong and to wait another 6 months then come back. He didn't even tell me to do pelvic floor exercises or anything.

I just walked out and burst into tears. How on earth can I expect my husband to wait for over 12 months until we can have sex again? How can they expect me to go every day needing a number 2 and not being able to finish going? I am so upset right now. I just don't know what to do. Please, please can anyone give me any advice?

flouncymcflouncerson Fri 02-May-14 15:01:12

If you're not happy with the dr you saw then request a second opinion, you're perfectly within your rights. Saying that I know that up to 9 months to a year post partum things do change and heal and settle down. Breastfeeding, if you are, also can affect tissues. Ask your GP for a referral to a women's health physio in the meantime. Most of all I'm sorry to hear you're going through this. We all understand here. I'm 30 and awaiting my second surgery.

mrsclairet Fri 02-May-14 18:36:58

Lauren I really feel your pain, it has been 3 years since I had sex, I should be ready to try soon as I am almost 7 weeks post my 2nd op. Sometimes I can't believe my dh hasn't left me! I am lucky he has stood by me. Have you talked to your dh about it? Could you do 'other stuff'? Could you afford to see someone privately? Have you tried laxatives? I wish I could do something to help, its such a hard thing to go through. I am only 32 and it feels very unfair to have to be dealing with this.

Frenchfrogbutt Mon 05-May-14 08:54:48

Hi Lauren as flouncy and msclairet advised, insist on seeing
Someone the meantime try to start a few things on your own not that IT Will solve the problem but SO that you feel more in control . Its not bad on the short term to use glycériné suppositories to help you finish your bowel movement i assume you are already monitoring your diet
The idéa is never straining . You can start some séries of kegel through the day IT wont cure the rectocele but IT Will help with the building up of your pelvis floor which is important eventhough you éventually are offered surgery.
I think physio is great also to do before any surgery i have also a very low rectocele which spécialist SAID IT is small . At the beginning i had Awful dragging feeling which Now is very less annoying and pressure on the rectum also which is gone i felt IT twice in 2 months. I had my baby 6 and half month ago the posterior wall became stronger when i stopped weaning and with the return of my period mi april .
But on the bowel side i am SO stressed everyday first thought in the morning ! I take macrogol i drink a lot and i take a huge amount of fiber am afraid to suit the laxative .
I didnt have relations with Dh bécause of the episio scarring and a lot of vagina irritation i am on treatment.
You need to share with him your fears
IT is a very emotional impact i know i didnt sleep for two months and had to stop weaning to take anxiolytiques
Maybe you should see someone also ?
I also wanted to add eventhough i confirm you should consult someone Else the fact IT didnt see anayrhing doesnt mean you dont have but IT certainly mean its not a
An advanced stage mine as IT is low was forming a bulge at the entrance you couldnt missed
Take care

CaptainSinker Mon 05-May-14 09:27:20

Another one looking for advice here. Had DD nearly 3 years ago. Difficult delivery with episiotomy and forceps, pph, problems getting dd out due to her big head! No tearing though.

Since then I have a little urine leakage. Saw specialist physio eighteen months ago, which helped. Lately I am noticing changes with bowel movements. It is often hard to go even when I fell the need and I can feel bulging into my vagina. Sometimes I have to sort of push against the back of my vagina to get the bowel movement to start.

What does this sound like? What should I expect from my GP? The physio has retired now.

mrsclairet Mon 05-May-14 10:19:35

The gp in my experience isn't very knowledgeable. They referred me to a gynaecologist but I have since learned that urogynacologists are the specialists in pelvic floor repair.
I am 7 weeks post op now and on laxido every day which I think is the same as movicol. I am still having pains but I read the other day that its normal to feel twinges up to 3 months afterwards. I think I have now also got either thrush or a vaginal infection so I am back to the doctors tomorrow. Its a long old recovery for me from this op!

Frenchfrogbutt Mon 05-May-14 12:58:25

Captain it sounds as the symptoms of a rectocele
Mrsclairet hang on you are almost there ! I am myseĺf with a irritation causéd by an Antibio prescribed by my gp the gyn when she saw the results of swab and the Antibio je had given me SAID its like giving an H bomb to jkill a mosquito
Now i am on a new treatment and wonder what is causing more pain irritation ? Hemmoroids ? Rectocele ? Poor us we deserve so much more confort .
I Will make a pause on my side visiting the spécialist all say not worth the operation .at the same Time its kind of a relief but mentally i would have love to have IT sorted out
Anyway one thing after another 1 solving the irritation 2 scarring of the episio etc
I go back to work very soon and i am SO scared when do you have to go back ?
Take care

mrsclairet Mon 05-May-14 15:57:50

Hi I am lucky in one sense in that I don't I have to work, I have a 3 year old and an almost 6 year old so I stay at home to look after them. Its a bit easier now as the 3 year old does 2.5 days in pre school and I don't lift him anymore. So things are difficult but at least I don't have to worry about work. I will go back when my youngest starts pre school but that is still over a year off.

Frenchfrogbutt Mon 05-May-14 16:31:58

Lucky you ! Take your Time to enjoy your little one and for a good healing

mrsclairet Mon 05-May-14 20:07:17

I meant when my youngest starts school. Yes I will try to enjoy it! Thanks.

mrsclairet Tue 06-May-14 11:00:31

I have been to see the nurse today and she has given me some antibiotics for a vaginal infection. I only had one in January so I said is there anything I can do to avoid it and she said sometimes we are too fastidious and clean too much. I told her I have started using the wet wipes after going to the toilet and she said she wouldn't and to use some simple shower gel so I might give that a try. It was really weird though last time she said she could see (TMI) green discharge and it smelt offensive but she checked the results as they sent a sample off to the lab and it came back all clear?! I don't really know whether I should be taking the antibiotics now or waiting until the results but they did really help last time and when I have discharge that smells I feel really self concious, it's horrible. Ugh I just wish I could have a normal life without all these problems!

Frenchfrogbutt Tue 06-May-14 21:06:07

Hello msclairet
i had exactly the same dilemma few weeks ago but wasnt post op and Still struggling to peace my burning vagina and on a treatment to restore the good natural flora? ( good bactéries)
But I would say as you are Still in a healing process with stich to care about etcthat by précaution you should take them and Call back when the results return if négative to Check if you can stop the treatment . But again i am not medically pertinent its just
What i would do . Sorry not much help have a good evening

mrsclairet Wed 07-May-14 15:39:55

Where has everyone gone? I'm feeling a bit low today, I keep getting pain in my side where my appendix is and I was talking to a friend today who was saying I should push for a ct scan and she thinks I've got to push my gp to find out what's wrong. I don't know if I have got the energy.

I have spent a whole day with my 3 year old today and I sometimes think he is a little bit autistic. He just flips out at the smallest thing which I never went through with my other son. He wanted to pick out the milk in M+S and I did so to save having a massive tantrum I had to go back and put the milk back, then let him pick it off the shelf. Then he was trying to play a game using the mouse and I ended up doing it for him and he started screaming and shouting saying that he wanted to do it. He just really drags me down, there are times when I really don't enjoy spending time with him at all and feel like I'd rather be back at work.

I have still got a horrible discharge, I am hoping my tomorrow the antibiotics should have kicked in and I will start to feel a bit better.

flouncymcflouncerson Wed 07-May-14 16:46:45

I'm here. Just don't have much to say as still waiting in my second opinion hmm hmm

Sorry to hear you're feeling down. If you're having pain then I'd always suggest seeing your Gp. The discharge etc should hopefully clear up soon with the antibiotics. How many days have you been on them now?

Frenchfrogbutt Wed 07-May-14 17:21:34

Hi Claire , those kids can drive us mad especially as you are not well physically and emotionnally.
Yes insist any pain should get considèred and again
ITs easy to say but Time Will ease things .
I am Still upset i am not considered as a surgery candidate
Whole i Still have symptoms. You have made the tougher part and yes sometimes we feel lonely broken and angry and doomed with all these irritations and Stuff IT seems IT Will never end . But IT Will you Will get better you Will be pain free you Will have sex with your husband you Will feel good again. Sorry i sound like a sect guru but this is also my objective and i like when people remind me of that jut like today when i cried on my physio shoulder !
Its true the thread is very quiet lately i would live to read from former members
Take care have a good Night and tomorow is another day

happylilme Wed 07-May-14 21:27:05

Clairet I had all that different coloured discharge and still have more than I previously had before op had tests done, all clear. Gp was not concerned about it. I notice it gets worse if I have had a busier day.
It's hard to be a stay at home mum and keep a 3 year old entertained at the best of time never mind when recovering. Just take those few minutes away and take deep breaths. It sounds like you are feeling a bit low, maybe make some time for YOU and not mummy. Remember we all have those crap days so you are not on your own x
Things will improve physically down there and your energy levels will improve but look after yourself emotionally, be selfish from time to time and put you first, usually when you have you time things that can grind on us doesn't seem as bad :0)

mrsclairet Sun 11-May-14 19:45:46

I have got a check up tomorrow and I'm really dreading it. I had to go into a+e a week after my op and they said whilst I was in there that it might be too tight. Then they said to see my consultant. He checked me and said it was fine and was a bit annoyed they had criticised his work! So he said to come back after 8 weeks when I would have resumed sexual intercourse. So tomorrow I have got to go back but I haven't had sex yet! Its an hour drive there, hour back and I really don't want to go. Last time he was just like yeah you will have had sex by then like its no big deal at all. Oh well nothing I can do now, I'm on my period so I don't want to try tonight!
I've also been having pains and have been told it could be a grumbling appendix so now I'm panicking and worrying myself sick its going to turn into acute appendicitis. Aaargghh I hate feeling so stressed!

kate2001 Sun 11-May-14 21:12:19

Hello Ladies,
I'm hoping for some advice/support. I have a grade 3 cervical prolapse, but no cystocele or rectocele. I have been offered a vaginal hysterectomy, a mesh sacrocolpopexy (either abdominal or laparoscopic), a supraspinous ligament fixation, or the Manchester procedure. Really not sure which way to go.

I would welcome any thoughts/opinions/personal recommendations!!

flouncymcflouncerson Mon 12-May-14 08:50:42

Hi Kate and welcome to the thread. Sorry you've found yourself here. Have you been given the pros and cons for each surgery? I have a uterine bladder and possible bowel prolapse. I initially had surgery for bladder in Nov last year but surgeon found uterus had dropped and didn't fix it so now I'm waiting on further surgery. He offered a hysterectomy but I felt that was very extreme as I'm only 30 so I'm waiting on a second opinion from a urogynecology specialist as well now.

Monty123 Mon 12-May-14 15:21:47

Hi Ladies

I'm new to this thread and looking for some advice, please tell me about you experiences.

My background: I'm 31yrs old, I have 2 fabulous kids aged 2.5yrs and 14months and a very supportive hubby.

Back in November I had an operation to repair a rectocele prolapse, which at my 6 week check had healed well and i was told to go and enjoy my life, which I did, 2 children, 2 horses and a dog keep me and my family very busy!!

fast forward to now, I was getting the dragging sensation but BM were ok but in the back of my mind I though the op was failing so rang my consultant to have another follow up.

That was last week, and i came away with mixed results. The original op has held up to my hectic busy life - but I have a second prolapse of the Uterus/womb.

He asked me if I had finished having my family, and I said for now, and he said who knows what the future holds as i'm young - which is a fair point.

He said that he would be inclined to leave it unless it interferes with my life, (surely thats why i went backs something was uncomfortable - but didn't say this). He said that he was happy to operate but that it would be a sub-total hysterectomy - WHAT surely thats a last resort?!

Unfortunately I was so convinced that I was seeing him over the original prolapse I hadn't prepared any questions relating to the new one.

My mum suffered the same uterus/womb prolapse and has had a repair and didn't need a hysterectomy, she has suggested seeing her consultant and getting a second opinion.

I'm going to do this as I'm feeling very emotional and confused about the whole thing, but would like to go armed with the appropriate questions etc.

Thank you in advance for reading and helping, and I"m sorry that its a long one.

flouncymcflouncerson Mon 12-May-14 18:47:10

monty I read your post and apart from a few details would have sworn I'd written it.

I'm 30 had a large cystocele repaired in November. After surgery I was told repair had went well but that uterus had dropped. 6week check I was told uterus had dropped further and need a hysterectomy. My bladder has dropped again and I now have bowel symptoms. We have two children.

I have requested a second opinion and am awaiting this currently.

mrsclairet Mon 12-May-14 21:38:08

I would request a second opinion. I am sorry even though I have had 2 ops I don't actually know the technical name of what I had done, all I know is both times they didn't use mesh. Hope you get some answers!

I saw the consultant tonight. He said everything looks fine but when he examined me it really hurt and he said I have got slight webbing of the skin which might need to be cut. I have got to try having sex and if it really hurts I have got to go back. I'm gutted in a way it looks like I will have to have something else done but he assured me it will only take 5 minutes. I'm sort of pleased everything else looks good. I just hope it holds up for at least the next 5 years or so.

flouncymcflouncerson Wed 14-May-14 18:39:16

Mrsclaireglad the op has went well. Hopefully having sex will stretch it out and you own need it cut but good to know it's only a 5 min thing.

I've finally heard from my second opinion appt and it's in a month's time.

Noordinarygirl Wed 14-May-14 23:31:19

Kate I had a really bad cervical prolapse - it came totally out by about 2cms when it first happened. Anyway, to cut a very long story short, I am now almost 3 months post laparoscopic sacrocolpopexy (as well as 'mobilisation of my rectum with mesh too!). I am 46 and my consultant said to go for that particular procedure as it's a mega strength fix which should last me for the rest of my days! If you'd like to PM me to talk about it more, please feel free. It's not a very common operation at all and I really struggled to find one other lady who'd actually had it done. So there's 2 of us now that I know of.

catbus Thu 15-May-14 15:48:27

Hello smile
I've just been pointed in the direction of this thread- I'm on the hop at the mo, so c&p ing my post from the general health board to here, in the hope of wise words and support. Hope this is ok..

I had a mild prolapse in late pg with dc4, 3.5 years ago. It was apparently mild and was my vaginal wall. Felt like something stuck in my vagina, iirc.
It's been much better over the years, only sometimes I feel it.
I had an ERPC a couple of months ago. I think I had a period 10 or so days ago. This last week I am feeling massive heaviness in my pelvis/ womb area and dull back ache. It feels like a lot of pressure, aswell as in my rectum
I also have spd and am not sure if it's that aswell (only really bad in pg)
Does this sound like a prolapse of some kind? It's really getting me down now because since my MMC, I have just wanted to feel normal. I will make a GP appt in the meantime, but am a bit scared..

Frenchfrogbutt Sun 18-May-14 13:17:23

Hello i know this thread is more dedicated to women who went through surgery . But today i feel less than crap . I start my job tomorow
Dragging feeling is back hemmoroids are back. Poo is not under control too liquid too solid . Relations with Dh are down. I dont know what to wear as my rectocele is low and i kind of feel ITwhen sitting.
I have no energy i wonder if its anémia as i am very used to IT but afraid to take my iron . I was woken up this morning by poo pressure in the rectum . I am loosing SO much weight i took too much during prégnancy but Now i have l'ost 20 kilos in 4 months . I start to devélop kind of an anorexia actually so afraid of the poo thing
And doctor and physio are telling its small no surgery its in your head
Husband Run out of compassion for me .
Psy doesnt seem to help eventhough i take anxiolitics
I thought about ending that i became the Worst mother in te world
SO empty of patience and love always focus on myseĺf
Its not a Life is IT ?
Sorry for the self pity while some of you enduré post surgery pains
But k am Still in the why me phase

Frenchfrogbutt Sun 18-May-14 13:37:46

And hello catbus
IT Sounds indeed as some of the prolapse symptoms that i do feel( rectocele )
But never know go to your gyn
Take care and courage

lauren6283 Sun 18-May-14 16:30:48

Thanks everyone for the replies the other week. I have been back to GP and asked to be referred to physio which he said he would do, but then I saw someone from the peri natal team for my depression and she said it could take weeks to sort out so she suggested going back to the Gp until it gets sorted. So I think I'm going to make another appointment with my regular GP and tell her how unhappy I am.

I'm also going to make a list of symptoms as I've started getting a lot of lower back pain (not great as baby is getting bigger) and the last few days I've noticed bloody vaginal discharge. I think this is normal for what I think is a rectocele?

I really feel for all of you that are further down the line and still having complications. It's disgusting that they seem to think we should be able to manage 3 years + with no sex life and bowel and urinary problems. I always think that if it was a man complaining of similar problems they wouldn't get fobbed off and told to wait all the time. I makes my blood boil.

mrsclairet Sun 18-May-14 18:13:43

Hi frenchfrog, lauren and catbus. I'm so sorry to hear you are all so down. I have been there and done that! It's frustrating because I am actually starting to feel a bit better in terms of the op but now I have got other problems...I need to have sex but I'm getting pains and a brown discharge which i think is due to fibroids. So I've got to go back to the doctor and see if I can get a referral and hope I can get it sorted out.

I find it so frustrating because other people don't understand how much it all gets you down, they tell you to go to the doctors and get antidepressants or to try and make the most of life but they don't understand what a daily struggle it is.

Lauren I had a cystocele and rectocele and I had a pinky discharge which seems to have gone after the op but now I have got a brown discharge instead!!

You can always come and have a moan on here, it always helps me to get my feelings out as sometimes it's hard to talk about in real life.

Frenchfrogbutt Sun 18-May-14 18:59:06

Hi msclairet
I hope the discharge Will be solve soon so you can go back
To normal Life with your husband
People dont get IT at all . I have the "focus on what each day brings you or
Yes BUT you have beautiful healthy children .or Try not focus too much on the sensations/pains or the best one ( from my physio) your dépression increases the symptoms your rectocele is much bigger ińyour head
Sorry but when IT said hello between my labia i thought IT was not that small
Well anyway i completely ruined this sunny sunday crying and playing the if game if only i knew i had c section if if
My eyes are puffy and red tomorow i go back to work
Full Time and in a busy period .
I havent ironed or chosén my clothes
Already in bed in the spare room with my anxiolitics
Ooops i almost Forget my vaginal treatment for a neverending trush

Tomorow another day i wish you a good Night and a mondây without pain fear or sadness
Take care

mrsclairet Sun 18-May-14 19:56:30

Yes I have also had the you've got 2 beautiful children thing and I know some people don't have that but there are also loads of people who DO have 2 beautiful children and DO NOT have a prolapse. I have also thought the if only, if only I'd had a caesarean, if only they knew he would be 9lb 7 ozs maybe they could have induced me earlier, if only I'd had a better midwife. The thing that I also found so hard is that I'm only 32, so I could potentially have to live with this for the next 50 years!! (or more!!)

But now I've had the op I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I just hope and pray that it will last me a good few years.

ps I always seemed to be getting thrush before aswell, that too seems a bit better after the op.

lauren6283 Mon 19-May-14 13:23:27

I know what you mean. If I ever manage to have sex and get pregnant again, I am going to insist on having a caesarean. Bu you do what you think is right, what they constantly bang on about being the best thing, and it turns out it's all rubbish. Out of 9 other people I know who were pregnant at the same time as me, only 2 of us have birth naturally. It's the same with breast feeding I think, they say it's the best thing and yet when baby fails to gain weight they tell you to switch to formula. Oh and you have to take supplements if you are breastfeeding but no if you give formula. It makes me wonder wether breast feeding is actually any better, there are pros and cons to everything.

If only I knew then what I know now! Some of the midwives I saw just came out with a load of $!

kazzawazzawoo Tue 20-May-14 15:54:43

It's taken me a long time to pluck up the courage but I've finally been to see my gp who diagnosed a mild prolapse on both walls, I think she said. She's referring me for an ultrasound and for physio, so my fingers are well and truly crossed this will help, at least prevent things getting worse.

Frenchfrogbutt Tue 20-May-14 16:39:15

Sorry for the News. I hope the physio helps.
IT did for me for the dragging feeling a little bit a least
On my side i Will insist for an ultra sound or defecographie
I As never offered that as they think its small but the symptoms i have doesnt seem small

Take care

mrsclairet Tue 20-May-14 21:12:52

Hmph, I'm feeling really down today. I have been having abdominal pains for a while now...have been back and forth to the gp and they have said it could be a degenerating fibroid, ibs, grumbling appendix or the latest is it could be an infection. I have got to go back on thursday and have a swab taken as I have got a discharge but I had one done 2 weeks ago and it came back all clear. The latest gp said they don't always show up infections. I am just so gutted because after 3 years of problems with my prolapse this is now just another thing causing me to worry, lose sleep and have pain and with a 3 year old and a 5 year old to look after and not much family around to help I pretty much never get a break, ever.

Rant over!

kazzawazzawoo Tue 20-May-14 21:28:05

Thanks French. tbh I don't really have a dragging feeling, it just feels uncomfortable at times a bit.I've only noticed things aren't right because I was struggling to insert my mooncup.

Frenchfrogbutt Wed 21-May-14 07:45:49

Hello kazza , Good as its an Awful feeling to have
I also have pressure un the rectum and bas constipation
Consider your self kind of lucky ( if pne cannsay so. )if you dont have too much trouble . I am sûre physio Will help a lot
Msclairet i am SO with you with the FED up thing i went back to Work and was literaly burning on my chair. Coming back home with ds 4 years old over exited . I went to bed crying with the relief an on my bad destiny
They Will find your problem and Time is a great healer
Take care

Monty123 Wed 21-May-14 07:54:50

Hi ladies,

I'm sorry to hear that your struggling, makes me think maybe mines not so bad.

I've now had a letter from the original consultant detailing what I've got, which is: uterine prolapse with the cervix descending from the left when straining. Treatment he wants to carry out: is a sub-total hysterectomy and sacro-colpopexy, re-suturing the cervix with a prolene mesh attached to the sacral promontory.

I have also spoken to my neighbour who happens to be a legal expert witness in midwifery and she's advised that if you have a history of prolapse in your family when considering number 2 CS would be advisable, why don't they tell you this before hand??

I've now been back to the GP to arrange a second opinion but have been told to go private as I have specified to see a woman this time and a specific lady.

I'm now just pissed off as I was so well behaved after my first op as I never wanted to go through that again hmm.

Sorry no real help for anyone else just nice to write it down and have a small rant.

Thank you for your time.

Frenchfrogbutt Wed 21-May-14 08:15:39

Yesterday i had a bad sadness i thought ending my Life.
My job was a great part of my Life and i was there like a zombie burning trying not to cry. Exhausted after lunch On the Way home i stopped by my mid wife home cried on her shoulder
She SAID IT takes Time for the irritation to go
But i am sûre this is linked with the rectocele
My god i just want a normal Life if IT impacts my job everything is touched my sexuality my food my mood
My clothes my finances ...
Waou i am going to depress the thread.

Dorsey Wed 21-May-14 10:59:09

Hi Ladies,
Never posted on a site before. Here goes nothing.
Had a prolapse for 16 years (after the birth of my second child). I could live with it until the last 2 years: not being able to go to the toilet properly and having a huge bulge sticking out my V. Not attractive or sexy!
I had the surgery 19 days ago for two types, the large one was a rectocele repair.
The pain and weakness following the surgery was a surprise (also had the complication of a small part of my lung collapsing). Oh and an infection around 10 days, very strong antibiotics did the trick.
I am glad I did it. However, having no post OP advice part from the usual six weeks of work, don't lift anything heavy. I would like advice from you lovely ladies please? How long do we bleed for and how heavy??? I am bleeding heavier every day and getting very tired and dizzy with it.
Keep posting on here, to know you are not the only one is fab.

kazzawazzawoo Wed 21-May-14 14:09:08

Sorry you had a bad day French. I am struggling to come to terms with this. I hope you feel better soon.

mrsclairet Wed 21-May-14 14:45:26

Dorsey you shouldn't be bleeding really heavily. I think they said heavier bleeding is normal after 2 weeks but it shouldn't get more every day? Have you had your period yet? I would go and get it checked out just to be on the safe side.

Frenchfrog hang in there, it is really hard but think how your family would feel if you ended it all! Don't worry about depressing the thread. Have you spoken to anyone else about how you are feeling? I understand what you mean about it impacting every part of your life. My dh keeps telling me I should go out more but I don't like going out in case I have pain or trouble going to the toilet etc. I spend most of my time in the house but sometimes it drives me mad being in the same 4 walls!

Frenchfrogbutt Wed 21-May-14 17:16:31

Hi msclairet
I started to go back to my work on mondây today i had
An irritation i couldnt concentrate on anything I had a physio appointement at lunch time and i had to go back to word after but i couldnt Breathe i cried i called my husband and went back home. SO much for my first week at the office
.... I want SO much to wake up from this nightmare or never go out of my house again. I feel so disapointed by Life .
I see a psy dont Worry and share with him that thoughts je said i couldnt move forward if i dont accept that o am struggling against the truth while i should use this énergy to change things . Éasier said than done . My mother has a bad lymphoma i should know the différence with me but Still i feel SO misérable SO ugly SO broken . I helps to share with you . But dont Worry if it was just me inwould habe alrzday ending my Life but my children and parents need me i know . I just hope that as i lost my patience my joy i wont traumatise them too much. I am not a patient and tender mummy anymore .
Well i hope tomorow Will be better what would we be without hope
Love &&&&

mrsclairet Sat 24-May-14 08:25:05

How are you feeling frenchfrog? Its so sad to hear you so upset. Have you told the doctors it is so bad you have felt like ending it all? I can't understand why they won't do the op as I was just told straightaway yes you can have surgery.

I went back to my gp who examined me and told me they have sewn me up too tight so he thinks sex will be difficult and I will need the Fenton's procedure to undo it slightly. I just can't face it at the moment. He said every time you cut the area you risk getting more scar tissue and it has to heal again (which brings the risk of infection) and because I have already had it done twice I don't want it done again. But then do I just never have sex again? Its so hard.

Frenchfrogbutt Sat 24-May-14 12:00:17

Msclairet sorry to hear that you had the confirmation that you were sewn too tight ... Can physio with dilatators can help you Without going through another op . Of course you are too young to even consider given up on sex . Tough décision .
Yesterday my psy told me i was acting as if i had a cancer or something dramatic but for me its a drama . They dont want to opérate as my rectocele is getting smaller and smaller postpartum And because it is low and they said i have a small pzrineum short distance anus vagina whixh is not a good indixator for ops. But eventhough i dont have a bulge i have a pressure in the rectum sometimes dragging feeling at the end of the day . But mainly my pbs are irritations and hemmoroids they say those are 2 différent pbs that i need to solve . I think everything is linked i never had vagina
Irritations before and my hem are due to the omise of laxatives . I know my dépression increases everything
I cry everyday i Still dont accept i dont know why .
I cant eat i am loosing weight and my husband is tired of the situation . He used to be very tender and sweet and hardly speak to me Now or : again crying ? Please can you do something in the house ? You should go Walking instzad of lying there .
Well i might consider getting stronger meds
This week was difficult as going back to work after such a long Time and feeling useless in front of my computer .
I thought IT Will chhange and i wont be SO focus on my pb but no . Well Still i almost done the full week ans the transport and manage to pût my kids to sleep with bêdtime stories which is kind of a big achievemént for
Me . I was on bed right after them
And sleeping at 9 pm...
I hope you Will find help to make the right décision maybe if its a smaller ops you need to go for IT ?
Sorry this is difficult to help and i know you must be very confused to take this Decision again . And again but trust your instinct your are young as they said time is a great healer you havent done all that not not have sex again with your husband .
Well Life is not easy is IT . But a least we have 2 beautiful children ;-)
I think about you and send you all good vibes i really hope
Things Will become better for both of us !
Take care and thanks for your message

Frenchfrogbutt Sat 24-May-14 17:30:40

And msclairet as i read the threads a thousand Times o remember someone having the same issue but actually it was Still swelling and managed few months later with physio after that , to have sex i remember she said IT took Time and patience and a lot of lubrifiant !

cravingcake Sat 24-May-14 20:30:15

Hi, i'm new to this thread but not new to all things ragged and broken, am a regular on the Ragged bits thread after my DS birth 2.5 years ago.

I had a prolapse after my DS, who was born with forceps and i had a 4th degree tear, shoulder dystocia, pph, ptsd & pnd. I have had a long and ongoing recovery from this and have recently (4 months ago) had DD by elcs. My body is starting to settle and my prolapse is a million times worse. Sorry for the tmi but i have a definite bulge that almost protrudes. I am still breast feeding and am just starting to prepare myself to go to the gp to be referred to gynae. Its at the point where its affecting my day to day life.

What i would like to know is how seriously they will take it, i'm early 30's and was told during examinations after DS that its not that bad so not to worry, and that i'm too young for surgery (i know i'm not, plus i definitely dont want any more children) and they were more concerned about sorting out my perrenium (which i'm pretty sure needs work/refashion surgery). What questions do i need to ask to make sure its taken seriously. Its not as bad when lying down as to when i'm standing/sitting but i dont know how to ask them to examine me standing so they can see just how bad it is.

SnowFlakes99 Sat 24-May-14 22:55:18

Hi, I'm new to this thread. I have a rectocele which causes me problems on a daily basis and stress incontinence. I am having a TVT sling next week and then once I've recovered I need one more examinination to check for intussception before deciding whether to have major surgery for the rectocele. The examination will determine if I need one op or a combination of two together. I know that will be major so not rushing in to it as I've had problems for years. I'm trying to manage the constipation with lactulose. I tried Laxido but couldn't stomach the taste. Is there a reason why people recommend movicol/Laxido rather than lactulose? I tried bisacoyl too but found that caused stomach pains in the night and id wake up middle of the night needing the loo. Anyway, with my op a week away im not sleeping anyway now even though I feel in safe hands and have full confidence with my surgeon.

For those of you who've had a sling, do you have any tips for pre or post op? Im expecting to have 2-3 weeks off work.

Thank you or any advice.

SnowFlakes99 Sat 24-May-14 23:01:35

Noordinarygirl ... I just read your post on the previous page. I have been advised I need that combination of ops too.

Shakey1500 Sun 25-May-14 20:54:16

Hello all

Some advice please! Been having trouble leaking urine for about the past year. It's got worse and ranges from everyday leakage to completely wetting myself lately on a night out blush

Saw GP today and got an immediate referral to gynae as she felt my uretha had prolapsed. Said she could see it "popping out" when I coughed. I think she said it was the uretha (well, the word was definitely mentioned but I can't remember if she said bladder prolapse as well??) but I was a bit taken aback as I was expecting to be told it was age/traumatic birth related and just to do PFE (which I do but makes no difference) and wear tena for the rest of my days.

She said it would probably be an operation so here's where I could do with some advice. I'm currently the only bread winner (long story) and don't get sick pay sad What does the op involve? An overnight stay? What recovery time etc?

Any help gratefully received

Noordinarygirl Tue 27-May-14 08:17:13

Monty and Snowflakes yes I have actually had both ops. I had sub-total hysterectomy in Nov 12 and my sacrocolpopexy on 18th Feb this year. I come bearing good news......I am doing really well and am now back at work (only went back this last week doing half days, off this week for half term and then one more week half days). I also had 'mobilisation of rectum' which was more mesh. My consultant was brilliant and has seemingly done a very good job of it all. My cervix came right out by about 2 cms last May and I lived with a pessary until Feb this year - which was not ideal but it did keep things inside pretty much. Wouldn't have wanted to live with one permanently though as it wouldn't stay in place. I also had quite a bad rectocele too but thankfully not half as bad as some poor ladies on these threads.

Anyway, all is healing nicely and I am actually so pleased that I had it done. I am still careful that I don't lift too much. Thankfully I have 2 fab daughters, 16 and 19 who are very willing to help me when needed, which is great as I we be moving house in the next month. For the first 6 weeks lifting was limited to no more than 2 kgs and then for 6 months after it's no more than 6kgs. It did seem very restricting but I now know what I can and can't lift and I am being very sensible and giving my body enough time to heal properly this time around and to re-build it's own tissue around the mesh that's pinned onto my spine. I have another check-up with my consultant in September and I will be hoping never to see him again!

Prior to my op I became pretty grumpy and did not want to go out etc etc etc and could not see light at the end of the tunnel. My op was cancelled the first time round, which was devastating as I'd had to do some pretty big 'mental gymnastics' to prepare myself for it and had to wait another 6/7 weeks to actually have it done. I lived in limbo for those few weeks let me tell you and couldn't focus on anything at all at work.

All I can say is talk it all through with you consultant and be 'happy' (??) with what you are going to have to put your body through. I can only speak for myself and I definitely know I've done the right thing. (I also found another older lady on here who is 65 who had it done last year - she is also doing very well and it's all healed is good for her. I don't know about that side of things yet as me and my partner have recently split up and I've not DTD yet but I have 'seen' my friend 'Roger' and things are tighter but not too tight and it all seems in good working order down there now IYKWIM wink grin

SnowFlakes99 Tue 27-May-14 11:49:26

Thank you Noordinarygirl that's very reassuring. I am mid 40s and not had children ... I am an auntie tho so hope that's ok? I found this thread thanks to Google and have to say this is really the only place I've found decent info, so thank you to everyone for sharing your stories, good and bad. What great support you provide.

My gynae consultant said I'm just unlucky and have rubbish ligaments, so seems these are the cards I've been dealt in this life. My bits are like I've given birth to a few whopping babies! I need laparoscopic sacrocolpopexy and also maybe ventral mesh rectopexy if I'm found to have intussception too (not sure if this is similar to your 'mobilisation of rectum' op) - but basically these will sort the rectocele by hoisting everything back up to where it should be and strengthen the tissues between the vagina and rectum. My gynae says this should also preserve vaginal function which is a relief as I know some of the other rectocele ops can mean you end up too tight. So it seems 3 months off work is needed post sacrocolpopexy...that's what I'm dreading, it seems such a long time.

Hence why I've opted for the sling (tvt mesh) now for the stress incontinence and get it done and out of the way. I'm worried mostly about not being able to wee after the op and having to self-catheterise, but having had a cold this past week it has confirmed my need for ths op. it's not normal to wet yourself every time you cough or sneeze but that's become normal for the past few years. My surgeon is great but I also know I mustn't lift more than a kettle for 6 weeks after ths first op, to make sure the mesh fixes in the right place.

So ladies, wish me luck ... Will let you know how it goes and keep you posted about the rectocele surgery as & when that happens.

kazzawazzawoo Tue 27-May-14 11:53:31

Can I ask a quick question? I have a mild prolapse my gp said and I'm waiting for a referral to physio. Should I avoid lifting heavy weights so I don't make matters worse?

SnowFlakes99 Tue 27-May-14 13:00:53

kazzawazzawoo I think that sounds sensible, until you know exactly what you're dealing with

kazzawazzawoo Tue 27-May-14 13:10:17


Ninniwig Tue 27-May-14 18:25:49

kazzawazzawoo apologies, my first post. The big thing for you is that you have actually been to the dr. It seems a shame that we are taught from being very small to keep our, er, privates private!! I was referred some 15 years ago for mild incontinence, after four months of quite intense Physio, was much improved. The ladies you will come across throughout your diagnosis and subsequent treatment will be fantastic. Everyone I came across were lovely, and you really do get used to talking about peeing and pooing!!!
Just be confident and ask for help, the supermarket is quite happy to get someone to load your shopping into the boot of your car and husband/partner/children/neighbour will help. I found people quite happy to do so but they do not have a crystal ball and won't know unless you ask. I can remember being told to 'brace' if picking anything up. To you and I it means to clench your undercarriage to give some support to your internal organs. Good luck, keep smiling.
Well, 15 years down the line after a lot of 'trying to get to grips' with the problems of a posterior vaginal prolapse I went to my dr and was subsequently referred to a uro-gynae consultant. After having various, rather undignified tests, pressure tests up the bottom and a barium enema and a further round of seeing the specialist Physio I was listed for surgery.
Three weeks ago I had an anterior, posterior and perineum repair.
The surgery isn't for the feint hearted and really be prepared for feeling pretty awful for a few days and then really having to put the brakes on as regarding moving around.... Definitely no housework or standing around, no lifting.
I am taking the old Movicol and lactulose and can poo properly I think I must be turning into a boy - they never seem to have any troubles in this area!!!! smile

kazzawazzawoo Tue 27-May-14 19:33:35

Thanks for your reply ninniwig. Hope you are recovering from your surgery.

I'm not good at asking for help. Also part of my job involves carrying files up and down the stairs at work, not sure how I'm going to avoid that.

happylilme Tue 27-May-14 20:09:42

Well I'm now 6 months post op for posterior and perineum repair. First few months took time to recover things had improved but now I got piles grrr so trying to increase the amount of fibre if possible. I was just wondering if anybody out there after repair gets a bit of stinging around the scar tissue.
Hope everyone is recovering ok and those on the road to get diagnosis keep going and remember no question is foolish it's your body and you have the right to ask whatever you want.

Noordinarygirl Tue 27-May-14 22:52:48

Happy, good to hear from you again, and to answer your question I do get a little kind of 'prickly' sensation at times if I've done just that bit too much. It's not very often but it is there. I thought it was only me but it's good (in a way) to hear that someone else gets this too.

I also have to ensure that I keep my fibre intake up as it greatly helps the way I feel down below when sitting at work etc.

Thankfully I'm back to my old 'regime' of walking 4 miles each evening (when the weather allows) and feel so much more positive and less stressed about things that used to irritate the crap out of me. It could be that I feel more the 'old' me combined with the fact that I'm no longer with a partner that was just not the right person for me in any way, shape or form. Life is definitely on the up and I feel like I can handle just about anything now.

Snowflakes I think the rectopexy thing is the same as I had. For info, I am 46 and now feel great after all the stuff I've been through. smile

Ninniwig Wed 28-May-14 09:25:00

kazzawazzawoo Hi. You don't say how old you are or if you've had any children. I am 58 and have four children. I too have a problem asking for help, being fiercely independent! At work, remember it is only a job, it'll be there when you leave, your employer is responsible for your health. I know you won't want to be telling everyone about your problem but if it was your arm where the problem was then it would be obvious and there would be no comment made about your inability to carry files.
Do take care. wink

kazzawazzawoo Wed 28-May-14 10:21:25

Ninniwig I'm 49 and have 3 children, all vaginal births, and the last two were big and quick.

Ninniwig Wed 28-May-14 14:07:56

[kazzawazzawoo] my advice to my daughter, when the time comes, is to research the different birthing centres around her. Part of my problem has been a poor repair after giving birth to one of my children, baby 1 I had an episiotomy, baby 2 I tore, baby 3 and 4 I had a graze. It depends on who reviews your bits after birthing as to what happens and who stitches you up. With hind sight, a wonderful thing, a doctor should have done the embroidery as my consultant said that the top layer had been stitched but she very much doubted that the muscle was.
On a positive note, I'm feeling pretty good today and have cut back on the pain meds. My consultant recommends Movicol, that gets everything moving, gently. Lactulose will soften the BM, this can be taken indefinitely, it is just indigestible sugars suitable for diabetics. My way of thinking is keep everything soft and moving can only enhance my healing.
I'm off for a short walk to the postbox, ooh the excitement! I am very active, walking about five miles a day so being laid up after this op has been the most painful thing about his process!! grin

happylilme Wed 28-May-14 19:26:55

Ninniwig that's what happened to me. The midwife stitched what she called second degree tear, consultant however thought itore my muscle therefore the cause of my rectocele and making my perineum almost non-existent. He said a surgeon should have stitched my knackered lady parts.
My advice for any pregnant woman is if you do tear please get a second opinion from consultant surgeon.

Ninniwig Wed 28-May-14 20:45:22

happylilme I know midwives do a good job but an awful lot are expected to do more than they're capable of. Mind you in every job there is always someone ready to 'have a go' and then before you know it they are experienced! I think it's in women's DNA to put up with things. Realistically when you've just had your baby that what takes your attention, you want the repair done and you're unaware of time ticking by and who is doing what. At least that's what I can remember, it was a long time ago - my last baby is 28! It's always the next day, when you're sitting on a hedgehog, as it were, that the stitching has been done and any dropped stitches are covered up. grin I suppose you're lucky if you have your baby during the consultants working hours. Perhaps the trick would be to have a clause put in your birthing plan (don't recall having one of those), that if you tear you want an experienced doctor to give a second opinion. I can just see the midwife's face when you request that!!

happylilme Wed 28-May-14 21:02:10

I know what you mean, the Labour ward was so busy that day I felt sorry for the midwife. I just wanted the repair over and done with, bit embarrassing with legs in the air trying to have a normal conversation. I wish in hindsight I did ask even after repair as I knew something wasn't right. But us women struggle on. I never did a birth plan as they never go to plan, learnt from first birth.
Anyhow I am happy with my repair I just have to remember to watch my diet and avoid straining or over exercising to prevent stinging.

kazzawazzawoo Wed 28-May-14 21:17:49

I also think the midwife made a mess of stitching me up. I had my first two children in Germany and was sewn up my a consultant both times, no problems at all. My ydd was born in the UK, the delivery suite was understaffed, she sat back and wrote up her notes, leaving me to it as an "experienced mum". I tore and she stitched me up on the floor where I gave birth. I've had lots of problems since, the stitches took ages to heal and 13 years on still cause problems at times!

kazzawazzawoo Wed 28-May-14 21:20:33

The midwife then left us alone for hours because of lack of staff. I wouldn't go back there if you paid me.

Shakey1500 Wed 28-May-14 21:56:27

Hello, could someone have a gander at my post on 25th May and offer any advice? I'm really sorry but I've so much on I haven't had time to read all the posts/other threads!

It's about a bladder/urethra prolapse?

Many Thanks

happylilme Wed 28-May-14 22:23:21

Kazza I too was left for hours on my own with baby, I had to go looking for midwife as my baby was turning blue. Turned out he had fluid on the chest.

kazzawazzawoo Wed 28-May-14 22:44:31

Omg! That's terrible sad

happylilme Wed 28-May-14 23:26:16

Yep four nights in hospital, I did hear the consultant ask why was there no regular checks done. The midwife then said she thought that he had been making a grunting noise but did nothing???? Anyway by that stage my lady parts took back seat, I didn't look for weeks after then horrified with what I saw.
All fixed now though xxx very glad smile

kazzawazzawoo Thu 29-May-14 07:48:07

I think when you've just given birth and have this little thing to hold, look after, feed, the last thing you think about is your lady parts. You accept they hurt and get on with it. It's only afterwards you realise everything isn't healing the way it should.

Frenchfrogbutt Fri 30-May-14 07:36:07

Hello all
Just post here as i dont know where Else to say that except prolapse h. I have new pain in my back and left leg i LNI its linked . I just know IT . I waśnt able to move my bowel eventhough with the laxatives and tons of fiber and 4 litres of liquid i had . I needed a glycériné suppositories which always left me sore and and exite my pile pains.
I just wish i could Die . I have to go to work but i havent slept as the pressure woke me up SO early Now i am tired .
Its 8,30 i have to Call to say i Ill be late
I am sad and angry and lonely . Dh and ds are on vacation
I could here on the phone my 4 years old Was SO happy
He doesnt like being home With mummy who cries cant play is tired . I really think they would be happier without me
Why. This happened ? Why can they fix that more easily? Why i dont accept ? Life is SO crap few months ago i remember prégnant how happy i was i had IT all alvine husband a Nice job a Nice house a beautiful boy and The three of us Were SO happy to welcome the baby . And Now
I am on the Way to loose everything .
Well what can i do regarding constipation . I cant do more on the diet side ?
Thank you ?

mrsclairet Fri 30-May-14 08:36:26

Oh frenchfrog you are starting to worry me because when people feel suicidal they start to think people would be better off without them. (I know a bit about it because my sister took pills and alcohol, she didn't actually mean to kill herself, it was just a cry for help).

Please please please go back to your doctor and tell them how bad this is making you feel and tell them you are having to use glycerin suppositories. You shouldn't be having to do that, even though I had a rectocele I have never had to use suppositories. Can you go to a different doctor??

Since you only had your baby a few months ago things might get better but I still think you need to get something done. Could your husband or family member go with you to the doctor? Sometimes they take you more seriously when someone else can explain how bad it is.

My pile is playing up, I think it is thrombosed because it feels hard. I can't remember if I said in my last post but after 2 operations they are now saying I need another procedure done because the vagina has been sewn too tight which means sex will be painful. I just don't think I can go through another procedure at the moment, maybe in a year or so but not now. My dh is so understanding, I think I could have easily ended up getting divorced over all of this. Sometimes I think he would be better off with someone else but he assures me he won't. Your kids need you frenchfrog, it sounds like you are a bit depressed, because that is how depressed people talk, that you are a burden, that you are making others unhappy. Please get some help.

ps Yes I agree all stitching after birth should be done by doctors, not midwives.

kazzawazzawoo Fri 30-May-14 10:12:58

Frenchfrog so sorry you are struggling. I agreeyou should go back to the doctors, that doesn't sound right. Tell them how you feel,.

Ninniwig Fri 30-May-14 11:21:08

frenchfrog have you a friend that you could confide in? You must go back to the Dr. I don't doubt your feelings and what is happening to you but perhaps you are starting in that awful spiral of depression.
Would your husband go with you to the Dr. and he could tell him/her what it is like for you and him.
Do you still see the Physio? Has she given you the pamphlets about pooing, having your knees higher than your hips, gently rocking backwards and forwards, this all helped me. My thoughts are with you.

For everyone post op. I am three and a half weeks into recovery. I have started going out for a short walk. Yesterday I went shopping with my husband but felt pretty crap at the end of an hour. I had that dragging feeling and period-type pain. On giving my activity some thought and where I felt the dragging I am going to give 'fat pants' a go. I am off to the post office now along with these pants on to see the outcome! I must say my stomach is very well supported. smile

Frenchfrogbutt Fri 30-May-14 11:24:43

Hello msclairet and kazza
Thanks for your mail really
I know i am really really down i think i Will have to take médication for dépression . I really thought i Will be better and accept but IT s too hard. I called to say i wouldnt go to work . We Will take another appintment with the docs but they were really clear they wont opérate . my husband always went with me. . At least i want to insist to have a defecography to mesure the extent of the rectocele they say its small . IT cant be that small according to my symptômes and bowel difficulties. I really exactly feel as a burden for my family my husband is 37 he deserves a better wife not only sexually but less négative and crying. I am the one working Now i cant afford to loose my job. Which i loved btw . All i had is pût in danger by this crap rectocele . IT took my Life away . An here i am complaining again and again. .
Ms clairet follow your intuition regarding the surgery . Maybe you need a break indeed to build up strenght. You had a lot to go through rêcently. Medically what was told you as the. Best option to opérate Now ? What does your Dh thinks?
I hope by summertime we Will have improvement wether physical or moral. I hope to read very soon how better you are on my side i Will try to post less i think its demoralizing to read me while as most if the ladies here are deal king with post surgery issues . Take care
Thank you

happylilme Fri 30-May-14 11:26:51

Could you have a bit of pnd French xxx you sound so low, it happened me with my first son. Of course I couldn't see it. I just thought everyone was telling me how crap I was when all they tried to do was help. I focused on all negative and use to watch my husband and his family with my little one and die inside as they all seemed so perfect. Again not the way I would usually see the world. It's ok to ask for help regarding emotions that's what Dr are there for.
With the constipation perhaps talk to Dr bout that and ask to be referred to a nutritionist who can offer support.
When our mood is low everything else in our body slows down as well including metabolism.
Please ask for support xxx

Frenchfrogbutt Fri 30-May-14 11:35:04

Thanks Ninni i hadnt seen your mail .
I have friends to speak with but i think i am in dépression its difficult to help someone at this stage . I see my physio i do the feet up and breathing things but every things stay in
The rectocele even liquid poo sorry Tmi . I Will see again my psy on tuesday
Good luck with the recovery !

Frenchfrogbutt Fri 30-May-14 11:39:27

Thanks happy you are So right about moral and métabolisme . I hope you are doing fine
I Will ask to my psy that i might go through a pnd indeed
Take care

Ninniwig Sun 01-Jun-14 20:11:10

everyone post op - had to laugh, and share. I have tried 'fat pants' for some extra support. I hadn't anticipated pulling them up or down, you do need to use your stomach muscles which I turn uses your undercarriage!! grin Other half had to help me, sort of defeated the object of my quick fix and being independent!!! All laughing aside, if you have help to get the damned things on and don't need to go to the loo in a public place it is a terrific support and worth the effort.

Hope everyone had a good weekend.

mrsclairet Mon 02-Jun-14 09:58:28

French frog don't stop posting, you need somewhere to moan and here is a fine place to do it.

I am 10 or 11 weeks post op, I have lost count, but I'm getting a lot more active. On Friday I went to a friends house, then on to the park, then to McDonald's, then the kids wanted to play outside. Then on Saturday I was babysitting my niece and nephew so looking after 4 kids with my husband, then yesterday was another busy day. I got a slight dragging feeling but nowhere near as bad as it used to be. I feel like I have got a bit of my old life back!

Noordinarygirl Mon 02-Jun-14 21:10:37

Has anyone else had a sort of 'prickly' pain down below at all, mainly when sitting on harder chairs? I am back at work half days and this morning it was really quite painful. Not sure if I've done too much too soon again but it's nearly 15 weeks since my op and I have been feeling so well. I tried calling my consultant's secretary to see if I could see him to make sure it was still healing as it should be and she was pretty shitty when she replied and said that I should go to my GP and that I was lucky it wasn't cancer!!!!! angry I don't have much faith in my GPs so I'm very hesitant about going back there.

Ninniwig Tue 03-Jun-14 20:30:05

Noordinarygirl - I am not as far on as you and I am finding that a stitch is digging into me rather pin-like. Do you think you have a stitch that hasn't dissolved yet? I feel good sometimes and pretty not at other times! I'm out for a short walk everyday now and feel better for some activity, can't wait to be 'doing' again.

Frenchfrogbutt - how are you today? I've been thinking about you. Are you living in the UK? Keep chatting to us all. smile

Ninniwig Tue 03-Jun-14 20:34:59

Noordinarygirl - have you got a Nurse Practioner at your GPs? I have, and often speak to her and have received really good advice. I prefer her to my GP, she is far more approachable and I feel she listens. Hope work is going OK for you.

Noordinarygirl Tue 03-Jun-14 22:30:54

I have managed to get an appointment with my consultant but not until 8th July. Ah well, it's better than nothing and if it does continue I will go to see the nurse at the GPs. Thanks Ninni, I had forgotten about her as I don't actually go to my doctors very often!

Frenchfrog please 'use' us on here. We can all offer you some sort of support - even if it's just for a cyber vent or hand-holding. At least you know we are out there somewhere for you. Big hugs xx

Ninniwig Tue 03-Jun-14 22:56:54

Noordinarygirl - good for you getting to your consultant. Sometimes it's the non-medics that can be a real barrier. You sound like me, you don't go to the Dr for ages and when you do go it's always for something quite heavy weight. My nurse is excellent, she can prescribe as well. I think it's her nursing experience and dealing with patients that comes to the fore. Goodnight.

jenniferalisonphillipasue Tue 03-Jun-14 23:43:26

Can I join you and pick your brains please. I think I have a rectocele which I have had since the birth of my 2nd dc. I now have 4 and think it is time to do something about it.
I get quite a bit of pain, like a dragging sensation. I have a bulge and have problems with bm's. I also have bladder issues - not incontinence but never feel like I am able to empty my bladder fully and always need the loo. I haven't been to my gp but what do you think they will suggest?
My smallest is 18 months and I am worried I will not have enough recovery time if I need surgery.

Thanks in advance for any advice

Ninniwig Wed 04-Jun-14 12:42:57

jenniferalisonphillipasue - hi. Don't delay going to your doctor. When you are referred to a consultant you will have plenty of tests to make sure what is exactly is happening, these can take months.
Keep doing your pelvic floor exercises as you will be assessed by a specialist Physio.
After the op I just thought it would be rather like having a baby, for the bruising side, with an episiotomy. Of course, that being the case, you have a baby to look after and other children but the hormones must kick in and you know you just have to get on with things. Maybe it's that I am older I've felt like I have done, but you really should plan who can help you and for how long. I have been surprised how weak I have felt. I am very fit, walking, swimming, leading quite a strenuous lifestyle, but at four weeks post op I can stroll to the post office and to the shop but no carrying. Definitely no lifting and if I sit down to read for an hour or so have been falling asleep!!
Try Movicol to keep BM moving but if you still have a problem take lactulose as well, but your doctor should be able to help you.
I have not attempted to drive yet, still feel uncomfortable and probably wouldn't be able to do an emergency stop, that seems to be the criteria for driving.
I do wish you well. smile

WonderingAllowed Wed 04-Jun-14 14:46:28

Hello all.

I am due for a prolapse repair op next Friday. EEKKKKK!

I am not sure about having it done and I am scared shitless of having the op itself due to my anxiety disorder. Keep thing of what could go wrong and do I need to put myself through this?

It was diagnosed about a year ago and I managed with a ring for a while until the nurse at my surgery told me that I should have the op due to my age.

Mine is a womb prolapse. 4 pregnancies including twins. When I get my period, I can feel the bugger poking down and it is very perturbing. Periods are also horrific and painful although I am not sure it is because of this or just my age. Wiping after bowel movements also takes ages as I have to keep on doing it (TMI sorry). When I am not on my period, I can't really feel it.

From what I had read on other sites, the op can sometimes be more trouble than it's worth and the 6 week recovery time is daunting with 4 DCs to look after not to mention the not being able to drive which I can't imagine how I am going to manage.

Any advice would be good, i.e. should I just not bother and get another ring put in. I have managed without for 4 months now as consultant said to take it out as having the op.

Monty123 Wed 04-Jun-14 15:38:31

Hi wandering, I had my recotcele repair when my little boy had just turned 2 and my little girl was about 7 months. I had a lot of family support and was driving after 2 weeks as I felt comfortable but I behaved myself until my 6 week check with lifting etc. I got my little boy to climb in and out if his cot with help (this didn't encourage him to climb he moved in to a big bed about 4months after). And my little girl we encouraged to climb up and I'd lift her from sitting down. And 7 months on my op repair is still holding strong grin.

I have now for my appointment through for my second opinion regarding the new womb prolapse, so fingers crossed she comes up with a different option rather than a hysterectomy.

If you have any questions that have helped you all in the past that I should go armed with, I'd gladly hear them.

The appointment is tues 10th.


Shakey1500 Wed 04-Jun-14 19:23:35

Third time lucky! Would appreciate some advice...

Hello all

Some advice please! Been having trouble leaking urine for about the past year. It's got worse and ranges from everyday leakage to completely wetting myself lately on a night out blush

Saw GP today and got an immediate referral to gynae as she felt my uretha had prolapsed. Said she could see it "popping out" when I coughed. I think she said it was the uretha (well, the word was definitely mentioned but I can't remember if she said bladder prolapse as well??) but I was a bit taken aback as I was expecting to be told it was age/traumatic birth related and just to do PFE (which I do but makes no difference) and wear tena for the rest of my days.

She said it would probably be an operation so here's where I could do with some advice. I'm currently the only bread winner (long story) and don't get sick pay sad What does the op involve? An overnight stay? What recovery time etc?

Any help gratefully received

Ninniwig Wed 04-Jun-14 20:40:35

shakey1500 - if you have a look back up on this thread I have described details of my surgery. Your consultant will run tests and probably send you off to the specialist Physio for pelvic floor assessment and exercises. I was referred to the gynae consultant with a posterior prolapse but had surgery for an anterior prolapse as well and a repair to my perineum! I knew I was having the op for the posterior prolapse but only really took it all in the morning of the op. This was great for me as I had no time to think about what I was going to have done. Some people want all the details before surgery but life was no fun at the time and any chance of things being more normal and I'd sign on the dotted line!!
Everyone gets over surgery at different rates. I was in hospital for three days. Four weeks into recovery and I am getting back to being me. My consultant did warn me that having surgery doesn't mean I won't get a prolapse in the future.
Her advice was not to do anything for 2-3 weeks, then take things very easy for a couple of weeks, then build up to your normal activity, she would have given me a sick note for 6 weeks. I suppose it depends on what job you do. On the list of things that are a big no no involve lifting, anything heavier than a kettle, no pushing a buggy or supermarket trolly and be very careful when loading the washing machine - sometimes you can have to push quite hard, especially if you overload your machine, err hum, I do that all the time!!!
My take on it is what is 6-8 weeks of doing very little, not as easy as it sounds, when, hopefully my downstairs problems have gone away forever. Just think carefully what you hate about what is happening at the moment and what the medics can do for you and play one off the other.
Wishing you well.

Shakey1500 Wed 04-Jun-14 20:56:21

Thanks for replying ninnywing

Something else has occurred to me- I had a 4thdegree tear with DS (7) and my nethers are a car crash. As in there is a LOT of scar tissue including a thick band across my perenium. Would that hinder an op possibly? I mean, I've reconciled with myself that it looks awful and sex is manageable if certain positions are avoided but I worry that it will be made worse (if that's possible!). I have had gynae physio when DS was 18months just before my 4th op to repair the tear, and the physio was useless. I think I have a crap pelvic floor and whilst I've tried to do PFE when I started leaking, it's actually quite painful to do them.

Think I'll be a visitor on this thread for quite a while...

Ninniwig Wed 04-Jun-14 22:14:40

shakey1500 your consultant will do whatever surgery needs doing, she said that some of my problems were possibly due to a poor repair after giving birth. I must admit my undercarriage looked rather like a spatchcock chicken before surgery!!! - now completely different. As I still have stitches I haven't thought about using it yet. wink
Keep chatting here or look back at what people have written.

Monty123 Fri 06-Jun-14 07:54:48

I was feeling very heavy last nighthmmso asked my dh if he'd have a look so tmi - stood on the bed while he looked and it's almost protruding so now I'm really looking forward tony appointment on Tuesday, but so nervous that she'll say yup operation, I just want a quick fix that will keep me comfortable for 5/6 years - get the kids in to full time education.

Itching to add just wants to get it off my chest thanks ladies. X

kazzawazzawoo Fri 06-Jun-14 20:28:33

Hope everyone's ok smile

Just wanted to post a quick update. Today I had a scan to make sure there were no fibroids causing the bulge. She said everything looked fine and no fibroids.

I now have an appointment through for physio on 21st July.

kate2001 Sat 07-Jun-14 16:24:19

Hello Ladies,
I posted a while back - but then got caught up in arranging consultations etc and didn't make it back.
So .......... I'm booked in for a laparoscopic sacrohysteropexy for a uterine prolapse and an anterior wall repair for cystocele.

Does anyone have any tips for surviving surgery? -before, at hospital or after??

Thanks - Just trying to make things as straightforward as possible now!

SnowFlakes99 Sat 07-Jun-14 22:25:39

Hello, I'm now a week post op, having had a TVT sling for stress incontinence. So far, so good smile I had the op late afternoon and stayed in overnight. Was a bit stingy going for a wee after for a couple of days and it was a bit uncomfortable/painful getting in & out of bed for a few days. Had a nice shiny black bruise where my stitches are. But I've pottered about this week and not really needed any painkillers after the first couple of days. Stitches really beginning to itch now. Overall I've been amazed how well I've been. No problems weeing and just trying to keep my BMs soft and regular...lots of veggies, rhubarb, linseeds, etc and lactulose tho that really bloats me up so trying to cut down and increase the fibre in my diet instead.

Hoping to get out a bit more this week with short walks.

So if anyone one else is due to have similar op, don't be anxious. It has been a lot easier than I expected.

Monty123 Wed 11-Jun-14 08:28:42

Morning ladies,

Just thought I'd update you all. I went for my second opinion and she doesn't agree with the first at all!!

Apparently it's not a uterus/womb prolapse but a bladder one!!

She has offered me surgery but I've turned it down for now as I want the kids in full time education when I go through the 6 week recovery. So I'm now being referred for physio. She was surprised that I hadn't been offered that before as she insists all her patients have that before and after the op.

I'm surprised that the first consultant I visited got it so wrong and wanted to do a hysterectomy hmm.

Hopefully physio will help for the short term (5-6years) and then I'll get it fully repaired.

Thank you all for your support and I hope that you get the answers and results your all looking for.


Ninniwig Wed 11-Jun-14 09:36:18

Monty123 about 15 years ago I saw a consultant as I was having bladder problems and he advised physio which really did help. I had a rectocele as well but it wasn't bothering me back then. The physio was quite intense, I went every two weeks or so then monthly, in all I had about ten appointments. This improved my symptoms greatly, I would say 80%. I hope you find that your troubles are lightened. Do remember that your consultants opinion is just that, it's always good to get a second opinion. Good luck.

DietingAgain Thu 12-Jun-14 06:58:42

Hi all. New to this thread and it makes for very interesting reading. I have suffered with posterior prolapse for quite some time. Think most damage was done from my eldest sons delivery and he is know 17 but until recently wasn't deemed sufficiently prolapsed enough for surgery.

I have just this week interviewed for a new job (I currently work from home) and am really keen if successful to take the new job. However on the day of my interview I attended a last minute consultation due to someone else cancelling and the gyny approved me for surgery and as he had cancellations slot can do next weds 18th June for posterior vag repair. I will hear today or tomorrow if I have been successful on the job front, it is part time desk based admin work. If I am successful I am wondering when I can realistically say I'm available to start as before I went to appointment I intimated that I could start soon, then I thought oh well it will only be a couple of weeks but after reading on here this looks like I could be being overly optimistic.

Sorry this is so long and thanks for reading. Just looking for opinions from people that have been through it I looked on the royal college of obs and gyns website and that said light, part time work could be retuned to as early as 2-3 weeks. Thanks again for reading.

Monty123 Thu 12-Jun-14 07:23:05

Hi dieting,

I had a prosteria repair back in nov last year, and I felt comfortable enough to get back to my hectic life of kids and animals after about 4 weeks but told myself to hold of till the 6 week check and then I did light exercise till week 8 post op. The key thing to remember us that everyone is different and it's very important to listen to your body. Good luck with the job and all the best xx

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 12-Jun-14 08:47:48

I lost track of the thread due to holidays and life in general! Last I wrote I was waiting in a 2nd opinion about a uterine and bladder prolapse.

I seen the urogyn specialist this week and she has confirmed I have a cystocele, rectocele and uterine prolapse. She thinks the uterus is pulling the other organs down with it and that is why the bladder op I had in Nov has failed. The surgery she has suggested seems a good idea. Without going into too much detail it's a more permanent fox rather than just a hysterectomy which she agrees would leave me prone to other problems. She would not recommend I have that operation. Instead she has offered a few alternatives, some with mesh and some without. Also different ways of doing each op. It looks like open surgery with mesh and a subtotal hysterectomy is best option due to risks, benefits, successful rates and mesh erosion stats. The wait is problematic tho as I'll run out of sick pay and work aren't happy obviously as I've been off 6 months already.

DietingAgain Thu 12-Jun-14 19:57:27

Thanks Monty for your reply. I got offered the job today and have told them that I am aiming to be able to start two weeks post op. I may need to invest in a cushion to sit on.

gottagetthroughthis Sat 21-Jun-14 21:30:01

have I lost the thread or is everyone enjoying the good weather? help I cant do without this thread!!! sad

CSRHP Sat 21-Jun-14 23:48:25

I know Im Hoping its just good weather!

gottagetthroughthis Sun 22-Jun-14 19:10:47

lovely ladies....are you there? I love this thread and just wonder has it moved somewhere as my computer was playing up - I love to read all the experiences as i'm going to physio now for - they tell me rectocele and I also think bladder prolapse at 53 going on 54 - what happens if the ops aren't successful - do they keep doing them until they are? mmmm feeling a bit scared and some days I say Not gonna let this beat me and other days cant cope. anyways frenchfogbutt hows you. Wondering - my partner would like to put his finger in shock (tmi I know!!!!) would he feel a difference (referring to above prolapses) can't bring myself to feel so don't know - I know i'm SUCH a whoose - any experiences would be greatly appreciated. blush

kazzawazzawoo Sun 22-Jun-14 19:43:44

gottaget, I would like to know that too. I'm also too much of a wuss to put my finger in too.

Ninniwig Mon 23-Jun-14 07:13:11

gottaget you made me smile!! Ignore me if this question is too personal - do you do the deed? sex that is. If so, why worry about a finger!! My DH never said anything, it was me that had the sensation change. I am 6 weeks post op and am starting to get a bit ooh er about sex. My undercarriage has changed that much, going from a yawn to a very tiny looking 'o'! Still have stitches so not attempted anything yet.

gottagetthroughthis Mon 23-Jun-14 15:07:43

kazza - I just can't do it - have these horrible images of what I might feel blush

Ninni - yes I do the deed with no bother atm (i'm post menopause so have to use the KY Jelly) but blush he used to put his finger and now I won't let him (I just couldn't bring myself to tell him my all) but i'm soooo afraid of what he might feel and i'm runnin outta excuses!!

kazzawazzawoo Mon 23-Jun-14 15:53:09

same here gottogetthroughthis blush I'm very scared of what I might feel and struggle to talk to dh about it. I've told him now that I've been to the drs and that I have a partial prolapse but no more. He's suggested we don't bother with penetration at present, but did say it felt no different to him. I've felt so down about it that I haven't fancied doing the deed anyway, but I need to get over that. I also worry about my other "bits" that suffered during childbirth (Piles for example), I try desperately to hide them from him!

gottagetthroughthis Mon 23-Jun-14 23:27:46

kazza - I hide things also - sometimes womanly things should be kept that way - also my physio (who also has a rectocele) calls it a hernia, which I much prefer and really that is what it is. I do get really down sometimes and cant talk to anyone about it - my sis doesn't understand and I have tried to explain. I am sure there are some men really understanding but mine isn't and prob wouldn't wanna know.
Yes I do like to dtd as it makes me feel womanly - its not what it used to be but all I want is my femininity/womanly/sexy feelings kept - and I will keep doing it for as long as is possible (with the help of the KY!!! wink). I have known about this for about 3 or 4 years now and it hasn't really bothered me - I use a vagifem pessary twice a week and sometimes I can get it in easily and other times I have to take my time! It is supposed to help with lubrication because of my age (postmeno about 6 years now) omg I have rambled on and on and on soooo sorry - just love this thread it makes me feel normal smile

daisygatsby Tue 24-Jun-14 12:27:33

Hello everyone , just looking for some advice please. Just back from first hosp appt for suspected prolapse and I feel it went terribly.

I can see a couple of 'things' protruding from my vagina and suspect some kind of rectal issue 35 and have two kids, youngest 8mo. Am def finished my family.

The first doc who examined said it wasn't too bad and seemed to dismiss what I could see when I looked myself and kept talking abt things slipping intermittently. She wanted to refer me to a physio and see me again in a year. I felt quite disappointed with this. I'm not desperate for surgery but felt a bit fobbed off.

So she called in the consultant who asked a couple more q's and examined again and this time also did a rectal exam which first doc had not. He said yes I do need repair but also physio.

So I get a date for surgery which is not until march next year and the nurse who checks me out says oh you should think carefully abt surgery and my dc are so young etc.

So im left now not really knowing what in having surgery for, if I rally need it and why do I have tot wait so bloody long if I do!

I just feel quite frustrated and sisapponted after waiting so long for this appt

kazzawazzawoo Tue 24-Jun-14 12:52:28

gottagetthroughthis, I struggle to talk about anything like this. Feel very embarrassed - and also like I'm defective somehow. Dh is 6.5 years younger than me and now I'm approaching 50 fast I feel much older than him, in body anyway!

gottagetthroughthis Tue 24-Jun-14 23:23:42

Kazzawazzawoo - mine dh is 11 years older and I still feel older mainly because of this I feel my life's on hold eg wont go to the gym anymore too afraid of making things worse - however if it was going to be like this just because I was being careful I wouldn't mind giving that "pleasure" up! I miss all the things I used to do before I found out about this but i'm "content" atm where I am. I'm going to see the NHS physio and the first appt was about 20 women all different age groups and the physio herself is about 25yo and a stick insect. Then she put her foot in it by saying "hold onto your wombs ladies - it's your scaffolding"!!!! well I felt like screaming - my sis has just had a hysterectomy and it wasn't that she actually WANTED one!! I just wonder if there were any ladies in the room feeling OMG what have I done! Where do they get them from? Then we were all given a form to fill in for a full 7 days record of drinking/urinating etc and times which, when completed we are to return to the clinic (Oh and for those who are working - take a small jug to work and try to measure it during the working day) - then the physio says "there's no point in sending it in UNLESS you fill it in because you just won't be seen". I felt so disappointed - like a child being told what to do - that's the end of that then!! angry Rant over! smile

gottagetthroughthis Tue 24-Jun-14 23:26:15

Kazza - how lovely to have a toyboy wink

kazzawazzawoo Tue 24-Jun-14 23:31:47


kazzawazzawoo Tue 24-Jun-14 23:33:19

I think I have been sent an appointment for an individual physiotherapy session, rather than a group. It's not til 21st July though.

gottagetthroughthis Wed 25-Jun-14 00:02:01

kazza go for it I really do think it works - I just need to discipline myself to do them every day but if I feel a bit "odd" down below I do them every day and it def makes it improve blush

DietingAgain Sun 29-Jun-14 08:28:48

Daisy - I feel your frustration. I have three kids 17,13 and 10. I have been trying to get help for a rectal prolapse for so long. Every time I got the hospital appointment through I ended up at a group clinic with the jug scenario that's already been mentioned and although I had very slight leakage the problem was most definitely the back not the front, but they always want to try physio first which obviously is not a bad thing but if you're at the point of seeing things actually protruding out of your vagina would suggest that physio alone may not be enough to help you.

I went back to my doc for the third or fourth time and she again referred me to hospital but this time I saw a gynaecologist not a urologist and he listened exactly and for the first time addressed the real problem, and approved me for posterior vaginal repair surgery which due to a cancellation I had the following week. So I would go back to your gp to explore your next move.

My problem for everyone out there is I am 12 days post op and everything is feeling good apart from terrible pain at the externally stitched area. I have looked and it doesn't look swollen, there is a bit that is a bit pinker than the rest but not angry red. How do I know if my stitches are infected. It is so painful just to pat dry area after going to the toilet. Off for another soak in bath, that seems to help for a bit.

Thanks to anyone that can offer some advice.

Ninniwig Sun 29-Jun-14 10:22:24

DietingAgain you are lucky getting fixed so quickly, it's taken just over 12 months from start to finish for me. I am 8 weeks post op. Did your surgeon repair your perineum? That would account for the pink uncomfortable area. Try drying your bits with a hair drier, it works!!! Don't have the dryer set too hot though!
I am off for my post op check this week. I have had a feel around, sorry if tmi, and know I have a bit of a fold just inside. I have tried 'the deed' as I thought if I experience any problems it would be wise to try before seeing the consultant. I do know that in that little area I feel a bit too tight other than that wey hey!!
I do find it strange that some of you have had group sessions for urinary incontinance, what happens to patient confidentiality? I would certainly not want the lady up the street knowing I was having trouble in the knicker area, as her me. The physio will help and set you in good stead for the surgery.
Keep smiling girls.

DietingAgain Mon 30-Jun-14 20:14:44

Thanks for your reply ninniwig. He didn't mention perineum but there was some vaginal trimming and it is the external stitches that are worrying me. It started bleeding yesterday but that has stopped now. I've managed to get an appt for tomorrow morning for the nurse at gp surgery to take a look. She said they should be getting less sore not more so hopefully she'll be able to sort me out.

I realise how lucky I was, I was absolutely amazed at the speed which it happened. Right place, right time springs to mind. Stuff like that never normally happens.

Ninniwig Tue 01-Jul-14 07:31:34

Dietingagain I think most, if not all of us can become a bit anxious about our healing scars. I too had a spotting of blood from one of my scars with some discomfort in my lower belly and rushed off to the doctor only to be told that I had probably overdone the lactulose!!! blush The spotting was nothing. The doctor said that I had had fairly major surgery and nearly all scars leak a little and not to worry. Probably its a case of taking more care of ourselves, being rather over observant as it's a big thing for our bodies, but really rather 'run of the mill' to the doctor. As women we're very good at looking after everyone else's woes and can tend to push our needs to the back burner.
You do right to get yourself checked out. Hope all goes well, I'm sure it will. Will be thinking of you.

DietingAgain Tue 01-Jul-14 21:38:37

Thanks ninni. I've seen the practice nurse this morning and my stitches are infected. So I've started on antibiotics and salt baths. Hopefully I'll feel some improvement soon.

Ninniwig Wed 02-Jul-14 09:41:15

DietingAgain good to hear you've got sorted, hopefully your discomfort passes soon.
I saw the consultant, everything is good. One small problem is the fold. This seems to be an extra thick piece of scar tissue. I asked if, tmi sorry, if use would flatten it. She thought it to be unlikely but try. She is happy to remove it and has listed me as a day patient to do so. In the mean time I'll give 'gentle massage' a go!

DietingAgain Thu 03-Jul-14 00:32:49

That good that they're going to sort it out. Hopefully that will be the end of complications and should be smooth sailing all way. Good luck and I'll be thinking of you.

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happylilme Thu 03-Jul-14 15:53:26

Well I'm now 7 months post surgery for rectocele and perineum repair. Things seem to be holding well even doing gym, run for 5 k on gradient 2.5 cycle 15 k and row for 3000 metres. I also do some light weights 10 kg on machine upper arms and chest only.
On the whole everything has drastically improved but still suffer with constipation so occasionally have to use suppository as I am afraid of pushing.
Th only thing I've noted that when I am due on and during period I get pain and a little swelling around scar tissue apart from that everything is grand.
It's so good to see this thread still going as it was my life line post op. Keep posting girlies xx

mrsclairet Sun 06-Jul-14 12:44:43

Hi I haven't been on here for a while but just thought I would pop in. I am nearly 4 months post op and everything seems to be okay, apart from my piles playing up. It was hurting when I did a poo and my gp said I have got a fissure and gave me some laxatives. I am glad I had the op but just wish I could get rid of these damn piles. Also I still haven't attempted sex, my gp thought they stitched me too tightly and I can't face having anything else done as already have had to have the op twice. Luckily my dh is very understanding, so its a mixed bag for me. I'm glad things have improved but just wish they could get a little bit better still!

Ninniwig Sun 06-Jul-14 15:26:52

happylilme good to hear that things hopefully will return to normal. I'm a pretty positive person and there's always a way around some small things that may happen. My consultant intimated that I will always take movicol. I have certainly changed my diet, although I thought I had a good one before my operation.
mrsclairet have you tried movicol. You can buy it over the counter or the dr will give you a prescription. I must admit sex is a bit different, I feel I need to be careful. The scar tissue I have just inside seems to be giving a bit, I'll make up my mind as to whether to have it removed or not. You and I are lucky in that our dhs are like they are. At least the day to day unpleasantness has ceased, that's a huge relief.

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 07-Jul-14 10:48:27

Hello everyone. Good to see so many of you coming through the other side.

I have my date through for my op. It's next week! So much for the 12 week wait! I'm having a subtotal hysterectomy with sacrocolpopexy. I'm very worried about the mesh aspect but it seems for me it's the right choice. Has anyone has this done? It's going to be an open surgery....

happylilme Mon 07-Jul-14 21:44:00

Izzy there is a lady on here Noordinary who had same or very similar op, she's the one to have a chat with. I believe she has come out the other side with no issues with the mesh xxx but she would be a great person to talk to.

Good luck with op and just take it real easy after x lots of support and help if you can

jessandme Thu 10-Jul-14 18:27:36

Izzy think I've seen you elsewhere. Just wanted to say I am booked for sacrocolpopexy with mesh on NHS. Open surgery like you. Scared ? yeah very. This is my second prolapse surgery so have lost the optimism I had first time which was just 2 years ago. I had anterior and posterior repair with transvaginal hysterectomy at that time. Got better for a while and then slowly worse. Seems to be getting worse faster now. Not sure if this surgery will help but going for it. Have concerns about mesh like you. LOL. Worth the risk to me and think it must be for you too. Hopefully no ordinary can help us with info. Maybe we can report back too so that whoever has surgery first can tell the other what to expect. I am booked for 25th July but this is NHS so as they say no guarantees, lol

jessandme Thu 10-Jul-14 20:05:08

My last post now sounds a bit me me me selfish.
If anyone wants any info or feedback on anterior (cystocele) posterior (rectocele) or hysterectomy/ uterine prolapse be happy to share my experience. Just like to say for those awaiting surgery that surgery gave me my life back. Even though I now need further surgery I have no regrets about my previous surgery. It worked and life went from bad to good overnight. x

izzybizzybuzzybees Fri 11-Jul-14 23:35:33

jess my surgery was meant to be next week. NHS fuck up has meant I'm back on waiting list for now.... I too am having a 2nd surgery as mine failed last Nov. Fun!

Noordinarygirl Sat 12-Jul-14 22:45:43

Jess and Izzy I was just having a quick look back on here and spotted my 'name'. Indeed I have 'come out the other end' after having a sacrocolpopexy and mobilisation of rectum (is that called a rectopexy - Not sure. It's what was written on my discharge letter!) on Feb 18th this year. All done laparoscopically. Brilliant consultant. Yes, I was absolutely petrified before the op. However, there are different ways of doing this op though. My consultant explained the differences really well and I'm happy I trusted him.

I had a lap sub-total hysterectomy 18 months previous and a very large fibroid removed.

I am now almost 5 months post op and the mesh is no problem at all, I'm feeling great and sex is wonderful now. It's all tighter down there too. I was a little worried about that so I bought a new 'Roger' (vibrator) and tried that first. I see my consultant again on Tuesday but it should all be OK.

It was pretty rough going for me for a while after the op BM-wise but it's just about back to normal now. However, I do watch what I eat and make sure I eat loads of fibre. I hardly ever eat bread now and only have meat on the odd occasion.

If either of you would like more info please feel free to PM me. I remember how many questions I had and how alone I felt beforehand until I discovered one other lady who'd had the same op. It was a real life-saver for me as I really was so, SOOO scared. smile

kazzawazzawoo Sat 12-Jul-14 23:13:53

I haven't posted for a while. My gp diagnosed a "half" prolapse. I didn't have much discomfort, but was struggling with tampons. However recently my diet has been quite poor and I've been a bit constipated. Tonight when I was wiping after a wee it felt different and I realised there was a "lump" at the entrance blush I think it's my cervix! Not knowing much about prolapses, is this the next stage? My gp referred me for physio and my first appointment is 21st july. Is there still a chance that will help? Should I go back to my gp first?

kazzawazzawoo Sat 12-Jul-14 23:38:45

Forgot to ask, how do you all deal with constipation? What sort of things do you eat? Is heavy lifting (basket full of wet washing for example) likely to make a prolapse worse (my gp gave no advice)?

jessandme Sun 13-Jul-14 11:53:34

noordinarygirl thanks for the info. So glad things are going well for you.
My surgeon is NHS old school and although he does do laproscopic work he does sacrocolpopexy as open surgery (laparotomy?). Probably always done it this way and no practice doing it Laproscopically LOL.
He has been doing this type of surgery for over 20 years is very confident and made it sound on par with having my toenails cut. Hmmm...
Will pm you if I think of any questions etc. thanks again smile

jessandme Sun 13-Jul-14 12:11:38

Izzy so upsetting for you being messed around like that sad. Really hope you get a new date soon. Might be worth giving your surgeons secretary a call to make sure she knows what happened to you and to make her aware you are available at short notice. My op is still 25th of this month at the mo. I have to ring the day before to check it has not been cancelled due to urgent cases taking precedent LOL. With NHS no guarantees- been sent home on the day once !. If it does go ahead will report back in case you have any questions etc. Is your surgery open or Laproscopic?

jessandme Sun 13-Jul-14 12:18:50

kazza sound like your prolapse has got worse. They usually do IME.
Your gp will probably still want you to try physio but do tell physio about the change. If it was me I would visit GP again and report the change. When my prolapse worsened 2 years ago I thought it was my cervix at the entrance and it was in fact my bladder. I had rectal, bladder and uterus prolapse but bladder was the worst. x

kazzawazzawoo Sun 13-Jul-14 13:10:02

Thanks for your reply Jessandme. I told dh last night and he wants me to ring my gp tomorrow.

I feel like I've lost my femininity sad I feel old. I'm nearly 50, but I didn't expect my body to have so many problems so early.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 13-Jul-14 14:16:03

jess the Secretary has been made aware. I ended up being on the wrong surgeons list a D I was thinking happy to let a surgeon I'd never met operate on me. In fact it was down as a registrar doing the surgery with this other surgeon supervising. No thanks! Mines is open surgery too. My surgeon feels that she can access things for the mesh insertion easier by doing it open. She explained everything very well and I'm happy with her. She did say if I preferred a laproscopic approach she could get someone else to do it as she prefers to work open.

no ordinary good to 'hear' from you. I remember you from the thread a whole ago. Glad things went well for you. I'm nervous about the mesh but I do think for my circumstances and history it's the best idea.

jessandme Sun 13-Jul-14 14:25:31

Izzy Looks like our surgery is very similar. After my 1st surgery two years ago surgeon said mesh would be best option if it failed. Agree for both of us mesh is a risk worth taking smile

jessandme Sun 13-Jul-14 14:34:41

kazza think your DH is right. Perhaps ask your GP for a referral to get a proper diagnosis and discuss options with a consultant. Physio is good even if you go surgery route eventually. Physio before and after will strenghten your pelvic floor, probably not a cure but will help.
I unusually never had constipation issues. I was giving movicol for a few weeks pre and post surgery. Sure someone will be along with advice though x
As for lifting, probably will make it get worse more quickly. I carried on as normal as far as possible pre-surgery as there are so many post surgery restrictions. If I had decided not to have surgery would not have picked up heavy things if I could possibly have avoided it. x

kazzawazzawoo Sun 13-Jul-14 18:41:26

Thank you smile I don't exercise apart from walking my dog and also in my lunchbreak, I presume walking is ok?

I have suffered with ibs and constipation for years and years. If I'm very careful with my diet I'm ok, but I have to be careful what I eat. I don't want to take anything to help me go in case it causes stomach cramps.

For the last couple of years I've had a lot of irregular bleeding which has meant I rarely had sex with dh. That stopped 6 weeks ago, but now I don't feel like dtd again due to my prolapse sad

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 13-Jul-14 21:12:31

jess yes it does sound like we'll be having similar. Will be good to 'know' someone else going through it at roughly the same time. I just want my op date through so I can organise stuff. I've got 2 children and will need to organise help for them

Just popping back after a long absence from the threads. I had a rectocele repair without mesh in Sept 12 and have an unrepaired cystocele which doesn't cause any problems. So far, it is all holding up well, I occasionally get a bit of acheyness in my groins if I've been on my feet all day which may be related to the prolapses but otherwise fine.

I have spent many hours on the internet with this condition and have found that there is so much you can do to help yourself with posture and exercise, also lifting correctly etc. I do pilates and a pelvic floor health exercise DVD called Hab-it and have a much stronger core and PF than I've ever had before, I now find I use all the right muscles out of habit during my day to day activity and it makes me much more confident my repair will last.

I haven't read right through the thread, but thought I would pop back as a long termer, I had so much help from these threads a couple of years ago and still think about prolapses a lot!

Impala77 Wed 16-Jul-14 11:37:17

Hi all I know this thread is from March but am finding navigating this site so hard!! People tell me which threads to join but I just can't find them grrrrr.
All I'm after is a little advice.
Quick back story, had first child 18 months ago, barbaric forceps delivery. Left me with prolapsed bowel, bladder and I suspect uterus although they kept saying that was fine! (I could feel my cervix very low down)
Anyway a year of physio and multiple consultant appts.
Finally told only surgery would fix it.
Had posterior and anterior repair 12 days ago.
Right, I'm wondering A) is it normal for large stitches to come out after only 9 days?
B) is it normal to still have the "something coming out" feeling when standing like I had before the op, 12 days after?
C) when I cough or sneeze the movement in my pelvic floor feels just the same as before the op.
And lastly (if tmi I apologise) I have had diarrhoea ever since I came home 9 days ago.
I'm only 38 and am terrified it's failed as it was ruining my life.
Any advice would be great.

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 16-Jul-14 19:01:00

Hello imp sorry you've had to find us. I'm not sure what to say. Unfortunately my surgery for cystocele failed very quickly. However I've read many of these threads and wouldn't be too concerned. You'll still be very swollen and things will feel odd for a while I'd think. Try not to worry until you know you have something to worry about. Easier said than done!

happylilme Wed 16-Jul-14 19:06:36

Hi impala I had a rectocele repair back in December. I had one stitch come away early on, spoke to Dr she said it all looked fine. I got that dragging sensation too, I think it's due to all the swelling. Did you have perineum repair. As the swelling went down from this my stitches felt as if they were pulling.
Are you taking anything for your bowel movements?this can cause loose motions. My consultant said at this stage it's best to have very loose bowel movements as it helps to avoid too much straining and pushing. Hope your recovery goes well :0)

Impala77 Wed 16-Jul-14 20:31:15

Thanks for the replies, Yes I had my perineum rebuild (that's how it was described) things I've read say that it's very rare to have a bowel and bladder prolapse without a uterine prolapse, i'm worried that now the lumps are gone perhaps my uterus has fallen further down and thats what I can feel.
Would the surgeon have checked for that? She didn't tell me much afterwards and I was still a bit out of it. I wanted a hysterectomy (I've done having kids and my periods are awful) but I was told I was much too young!! I'm 38 not 18.

Impala77 Wed 16-Jul-14 20:38:11

Also forgot to say I was taking lactolose but have stopped it in case it's making the diarrhoea worse.

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 21-Jul-14 12:14:17

impala My initial surgery was for bladder prolapse only. Surgeon told me my uterus has dropped too on the morning after surgery. I was painkillered up so didn't ask any questions. In my case the uterus has then pulled bladder back down and caused a rectocele. However that's just my own experience. I was 29 at that surgery and at my 6 week post op appt told I needed a hysterectomy. I decided to seek a 2nd opinion as that felt drastic and didn't address bladder or bowel prolapse. I'm now waiting on further surgery. Hope you're feeling better now.

kate2001 Mon 21-Jul-14 16:53:14

Hello all,
I've posted a couple of times, but am now post-op so thought I would update in case it is helpful to anyone. I had a marked uterine prolapse and mild to moderate bladder prolapse. I've had a laparoscopic mesh sacrohysteropexy (mesh from cervix to bottom of spine, no hysterectomy) and an anterior repair.

Its early days (11 days post-op), but so far so good. Excellent consultant in Herts and I'm just keeping my fingers crossed it all keeps going well. I'm busy reading up on aftercare and using the websites and hab-it and have brought an ebook on pelvic floor by Sue Croft- Pelvic Floor Recovery Essentials, so hopefully I can minimise recurrence!
Good luck all,

jessandme Thu 24-Jul-14 12:20:41

Hi everyone,
Kate thanks for that encouraging post. Glad things are going well.
I have surgery tomorrow open Sacrocolpopexy. Scared but the posts on here have helped to calm me. Thanks to you all x

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 24-Jul-14 22:51:10

Good luck jess I hopefully shouldn't be too far behind you. After an NHS mix up I'm back on wishing list. All the best.

gottagetthroughthis Thu 24-Jul-14 22:55:16

jess good luck will be thinkin bout you xxx

jessandme Sun 27-Jul-14 14:38:46

Home now girls. All went well. Don't worry izzy its not too bad. Tired and feeling a bit like Ive been kicked by a mule but painkillers are working and well worth it if it worksx

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 30-Jul-14 08:00:48

How long did you stay in jess? Did you have hysterectomy as well?

Pinkfrocks Wed 30-Jul-14 11:27:09

I just wanted to throw a question/ make a point here.
I had a repair almost 25 years ago after DC2.

I would love to be able to run and do more exercise, but after a mini scare when I thought everything was descending again, the physio said no high impact exercise- so that rules out anything other than brisk walking.

I see women with 3 and 4 kids running marathons- or at least 10K runs- and just wonder why our PF are so different that they can do this and not suffer and effects yet if I did it would all start to fall apart.

Impala77 Wed 30-Jul-14 23:42:09

Pinkfrocks I'm 37 and have suffered rectocele and cystocele after the forceps birth of my only child. I have had a repair (don't think it's worked but that's another problem) a friend of mine had 2 sons 14 months apart, she was running and playing football 8 weeks after second child.
I totally sympathise with you, I get so angry and jealous when I see new mums exercising and dashing about. Why did this happen to me? I was fit and healthy now I'm depressed and feel like I'm disfigured and useless.

Pinkfrocks Thu 31-Jul-14 08:28:36

I know. Sorry to hear about your problems.
I had my repair at around 35-36. I've been lucky in that it's lasted though think things are not quite so good as they were. Doing my PF exercises all the time now.
I had very easy births though the first was under 3 hours start to finish- DC1 shot out so maybe that was the problem, or the fact that I am a tiny person.

I've 2 friends who had 3 DCs each and they jog/run and do all kinds of stuff. I used to do lots of sport too but can't now- not feeling sorry for myself but just curious how other people who seem to be the same build as me have much better PF!

Fleur40 Thu 31-Jul-14 09:15:29

Hi everybody I have been following all your posts now for a couple of weeks. I am two weeks post op for posterior repair and tvt sling. B4 surgery my gyn said my vagina was open and the posterior repair will narrow it . Has anybody else had this and was they happy with results? Thank you

Impala77 Thu 31-Jul-14 10:30:16

I'm 4 weeks post op for posterior and anterior repair, my surgeon has told me that scar tissue shrinks and I shouldn't leave sex too long in case it shrinks too much and sex will be very hard/painful. I can't say that sex is my first priority as I now think my uterus has prolapsed as 4 weeks on I still have that "something coming out" feeling, but it's intamitant and worse in the evening, if it was still swelling from the op surely it would be all the time. I've read on here about people having repairs only to end up going back for hysterectomy! Why oh why don't they check the uterus during a repair???? I can't afford another 3 months off work.

happylilme Thu 31-Jul-14 11:49:22

Hi all I'm 7 months post op for posterior wall repair and perineum rebuild due to big baby. Impala I had that feeling of something falling out at the end of the day, I think it was as I got a little more active things would swell again. I still get that feeling during my period. I know at your stage sex is the last thing on your mind but from I felt comfortable sex ha greatly improved x I hope this is the case for you.
Regarding exercise I have gone back to the gym as my consultant and physio said that this is fine after the 6 month Mark. I don't run on the treadmill I do a high gradient usually 5 or so and a speed of 6.5 to 8, bike seems absolutely fine no undue pressure on my pelvic organs I can happily cycle up to 15 k with no pain. Again the rower I tend to squeeze my pelvic floors when pulling weight out. This seems to hold things. I do upper body weight machines again only 10/15 kg. I don't do any sit ups as this was one of two thing the physio said to avoid the other being squats and deadlifts.( I can live with this as I never liked them ) the only thing that shirnks the tummy area is good old fashioned diet so we don't actually need to do sit ups.
I must say I have stopped running outside as the impact is too much. I know we are all different and what I can do others might not but just thought I would share my fitness experience.
Wishing all you ladies well in your recovery xxx it does get better

Pinkfrocks Thu 31-Jul-14 12:59:21

I wonder why we all sometimes feel looser around period time?

Impala77 Thu 31-Jul-14 14:31:13

Thanks happylilme, nice to hear a positive story. I know it's still early days, i'm just scared that it hasn't worked or whatever. I just want my life back, my daughter is 19 months and I feel like I haven't had chance to bond with her cos I've been so wrapped up in my own problems!
Pinkfrocks things feel worse around periods because your cervix moves down during periods so if it's a bit low anyway when it drops you can feel it. (I think that's right anyway)

jessandme Thu 31-Jul-14 20:30:18

Izzy I've just seen your question re my surgery. I was in hospital for 2 nights. This was 2nd surgery as I had transvaginal hysterectomy and posterior/anterior repair without mesh 2 years ago which had started to fail. I was in 3 nights with that surgery.
I don't think having the hysterectomy at the same time as the sacrocolpopexy will make any difference to the length of your hospital stay or recovery time.
I am feeling quite well now but obviously the incision site will take a while to heal.
Have you a date yet?

izzybizzybuzzybees Fri 01-Aug-14 20:29:01

jess still no date. I'll likely need another Pre op appt as well if it's any longer. So annoying. I think she's doing a posterior and anterior repair as well.... I certainly hope she is as I've uterine, bladder and bowel prolapse. Although I do remember her saying that she couldn't do too much at once.

It's all such a nightmare as my uterus dropping I was told about the day after the bladder repair! I have no idea why he didn't just fix it then!

Shakey1500 Sun 03-Aug-14 20:28:46

Hi ladies

How long was the wait between GP visit and a referral to a consultant? I know it varies per area. Just out of interest.

It's been over 2 months since my GP visit. I've rang the appointments dept only to be told "there's no appointments at the moment" confused

Impala77 Sun 03-Aug-14 21:49:57

Hi shakey I can't really help as I was under consultant anyway from the birth of my daughter.
However 2 months seems a long wait, I only waited 3 months for my operation.
Mind you this particular area of problem seems very common therefore very busy.
Sorry I'm no help hun but didn't want to read and run.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 03-Aug-14 21:55:38

I can't remember waiting time the first time I was referred. However when I was referred for a 2nd opinion the waiting time was 10 weeks.

happylilme Sun 03-Aug-14 22:32:31

I went to my gp end of August last year then had first appointment the end of September was told surgery was only option. Had pre op middle of November then had operation 6 th December last year.

LoveBeingInTheSun Sun 03-Aug-14 22:40:01

Pinkfrocks Thu 31-Jul-14 12:59:21
I wonder why we all sometimes feel looser around period time?

I assumed it was yo do with hormones, about like when you are pregnant

mrsclairet Wed 06-Aug-14 19:35:01

Hi, sorry I have not had a chance to catch up with the thread. I am 4 months post 2nd op for anterior and posterior repair and was told after this op that they might have sewn me up too tight which would make sex painful. I haven't tried it yet but sorry if tmi had just tried being touched and that was uncomfortable and they said they could cut some of the skin away but I couldn't face letting the surgeon get his hands on me again. Anyway I was on my period at the weekend and let my dh touch me and it was so much better. I know it's not something that is talked about much but I was really worrying at the age of 33 that my dh might get fed up and go elsewhere and it was really nice to feel like maybe we might be able to have sex again in the future without it hurting. I know it's not the be all and end all of a relationship but it is important and my poor dh has had to put up without it for nearly 4 years!

Hope everyone is ok xx

Impala77 Wed 06-Aug-14 21:29:39

Mrsclairet it's not the be all and end all but I totally understand, i'm 38 and we have done it about 3 times in 2 yrs. I have the exact same fears that hubby will go elsewhere. I'm 5 weeks post op, posterior and anterior repair. I'm still suffering though. My main issue was urinary urgency and frequency and since my op it's worse.
I'm very low at the minute as I had all my hopes on the op helping and it hasn't. I don't know how much longer I can carry on like this, I have no life.

Shakey1500 Wed 06-Aug-14 22:19:54

Thanks all. Spoke to the appointments clerk today and it's about an 18week waiting list just for the initial consultation sad

Impala77 Wed 06-Aug-14 23:29:32

Shakey that's quite a long wait! Hope they get you sorted when you finally get to see someone.
I know how hard it is waiting and then counting down the days till your appointment praying they'll give you some good news/help.

kianaidan Fri 08-Aug-14 14:44:38

Clairet - I.m so pleased things are a little better for u. Hopefully things will improve more on the sexual side. Do u think it cud be partly a mental issue too. I only ask as I haven.t had any surgery but can.t stand to be touched. Its def a mental hurdle for me. Xxx

Perkins08 Sun 10-Aug-14 15:47:24

Hi all, thought I'd join in here. I had my second baby 16 weeks ago. Had a progesterone coil fitted 10 days ago, and gp said I was a bit weak down there but no problems. However, when I went to put a tampon in on Thursday there was something in the way - had a look and saw something blocking the entrance to my fanjo (love that word!). Panicked, went to A&E as we're away from home, and was pretty much told there's no treatment and what do you expect if you've had two babies? I'm seeing my gp on Tues when I get home, but I feel awful - idiotic for going to A&E, but also very sore and uncomfortable and having the longest period I've had for years. Sorry to rant on - I'm just so glad to realise I'm not the only one.

Impala77 Sun 10-Aug-14 22:26:27

I feel your pain, it's awful how these things happen after having babies yet they aren't talked about. I had no idea this could happen and if I'd have known I may have decided against children.
I expected after only 1 baby that everything would go back after a few months, how wrong was I. Hope your gp is more sympathetic.

gottagetthroughthis Sun 10-Aug-14 23:27:08

Impala just for the record there was a lady on here a while back who had no children and it was happening to her! I just think that maybe some of us have weak pelvic floors sad

Impala77 Mon 11-Aug-14 13:41:16

Gottagetthroughthis, oh dear that's even worse!
I'm sorry if I seem like I'm feeling sorry for myself, but I feel so annoyed and angry, at everything and everyone actually!! I just keep thinking why? If anything was to go wrong for me it would as it always does!!!

gottagetthroughthis Mon 11-Aug-14 23:06:24

All girlies - Well I don't know if these facts are right but my gynae dr said that 80% of women are affected... I feel you have to physically put it out of your head for a while - anyways that's what I have to do and it works for a while - what else can I do? At least I am not alone - yea I went to the gym, run, jumped, did all my own gardenibng and I would give everything I have financially to be able to do it all again but this is what I think - I've got my arms, I've got my legs, I can still go for a walk, I can see, hear, smell ..... do ya see what I mean??? smile

Perkins08 Tue 12-Aug-14 11:41:14

Gottagetthroughthis - thanks for the positivity, right when I needed to hear it! My GP was thankfully lovely this morning, thinks I have a rectocele and has referred me to the Pelvic Floor Unit (who knew?). While I wait, I'm to avoid lifting my 2 year old and my 16 week old baby. Hah! I'm very sore and amazed at the power of the psychological effect of this - Impala, I hear you! It feels particularly unfair as I've done Pilates for over 15 years and thought I had a pelvic floor of steel...

Impala77 Tue 12-Aug-14 13:00:38

Perkins08 same here!! During pelvic exams I was always told I had a very strong pelvic floor and now after 1 child it's shot! I totally see what others are saying about being positive but my urinary symptoms stop me doing most things Inc walking for more than a few minutes, I feel like my life is just passing me by, I can't take my daughter anywhere (can't lift her after op so can't put her in car either) hubby is fed up of no holidays or days out. I'm so scared he'll eventually walk out. And as some have said the docs think prolapse is a minor ailment!!

Frenchfrogbutt Tue 12-Aug-14 17:24:07

Hello all
Its been a while since i havent been here ! I didnt want to hijack the thread as IT is more dedicated to surgery

I am 9 month ppt and have a rectocele . IT was a deep shock and i went into a deep deep dépression.
I was devastated to find the bulge to have the bowel symptoms dragging feeling and i was déeply upset to understand there was no easy fix. All the docs i have seen one of them beeing the french référence told me your rectocle is small no need to opérate and anyway they never opérate before at least a year postpartum .
Some of the symptoms i had was a burning sensation after a bowel movement when sitting a pressure in the rectum that would wake me up . Difficulties to pass Stools even when not constipated . Well all those were actually more linked to a compression of te pudental nerve causéd by a levator symdroma one of the multiple forme of PFD
I took a doc for the neuralgia pain œstrogènes ovulas
I had physio for trigger point and relax my over tight perineum
By the Way i had too a very strong pelvic floor Still rated 4.5/5 women with too tight pelvic floor are very fragile . The pelvic floor capacity of relaxation is key
Well the Au fait vous avez vu la lune ce soir elle ne sera pas plus près de la terre de notre vivant c'est la super lune magnifique 3 weeks were better my rectocele is almost not an issue thanks to my rééducation i dont have bulge anymore ( i went from a 2 to a 1)and constipation is under control (with a very healthy diet and plenty of fluides) i Still have this burning sensation but less less painful .
My issue is more psychological i worried eveyday about the
Prolapse i read all the articles i can find .i Still havent had sex with my husband i dont feel confortable yet .
I have joined a website prolapse health where i found te most useful information and support .
Just wanted to share and tell also to te post surgery girls that there are some ways to gntly exercice and protect the surgery i am thinking about hab-IT DVD from tasha mulligan or katy bowman or femfusion .for me hypopressive abdos were great but obvioulsy i need to be careful with kegels if i understood one thing relaxation of pelvic floor is key for the pop as important as strenght
Well good luck to all

Frenchfrogbutt Tue 12-Aug-14 17:25:33

There is a copy past of a SMS inside previous message sorry :-)

happylilme Tue 12-Aug-14 21:07:54

Glad to see you back French xxx it took me a while to have a sexual relationship with my hubby. Even still I can't let him look even though I look normal. It's psychological with me as this area is sexual and there was something went wrong there and I lost my mojo. It's slowly coming back. It's very hard thing to go through and the aftercare from surgery is shocking.

Impala77 Tue 12-Aug-14 21:46:16

Happylilme you are right, a lot of the problem is psychological, I am 6 weeks post op and I haven't even looked in a mirror down there, never mind had a feel as I'm so scared of how it looks/feels. After my prolapses were diagnosed I couldn't let my hubby see or touch, as I felt gross and disfigured! Even now after surgery, even if it's been a success, I still don't feel "normal" and will never be normal again.

Perkins08 Wed 13-Aug-14 22:08:31

French, it's good to hear things are improving for you - it gives me hope! Being right at the beginning of this process it all seems very scary. Like Impala I'm finding the effect on my body image really difficult to deal with, along with terrible guilt at not being able to lift my babies or be the active mum I really want to be. But all I can do now is wait for the appointment to come through. I don't suppose anyone has any tips on dealing with the discomfort and soreness at this stage? The doctor said paracetamol, but it doesn't hit the spot somehow...

Frenchfrogbutt Thu 14-Aug-14 00:09:52

Hi !
Thanks happylilme i am glad that your are doing well post surgery!
Perkins you are Still early post ppt there are a lot of healing ahead of you ! I noticed a big improvement when i stop breastfeeding .
What worked for me is a mix of everything hypopressive abdo helped me get rid of the dragging feeling . Some kegels but i had to stop bécause i couldnt relax my pelvic floor. Please have a look on this web site hab-IT Google IT or Michel kenway , katy bowman . Please dont ever go to this forum whole woman IT is SO depressing and i believe completely wrong about the posture . Walk a lot eventhough its not confortable IT is the best exercice at this stage
Dont be afraid to carry your baby IT wont do any additional harm just clench your muscle and suck in your belly
And breath.
As for the diet i had to take some movicol
But thén things had gone better with a high fiber diet
I take vit d supplément Omega 3 magnesium and sepia
As far as the psychological side , i wont give you any tip i was devastated ! Hit by a truck i didnt know anything about prolapse !!! What a nightmare . Things are better Now with some anti depressant i realised i was about to ruin my family and my kids Life . I am much better Now more active
More présent with my kids doing thing and trying to leave my frenetic research on iPhone .
I think if symptoms stay the same i wont need any surgery
But i am open to IT if needed .
I found a huge help on the website prolapse health
Anyway i know it is tough but believe me things Will get better ! Take care

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