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Hysterectomies - it's gotta be done but over here for hand holding part two

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Oddsocksrus Mon 09-Dec-13 22:57:05

Over here for the hand holding.
One in five women in the uk will have to have a hysterectomy at some point in their lives.
Come and join us if you are waiting, pre op, bleery eyed on the ward or recovering afterwards.

Oddsocksrus Mon 09-Dec-13 23:03:38

Here is a link to the original thread

This tread began because I was looking for more support and less hysterical detail in my journey towards a hysterectomy.
I am now 14 days post op after a trans vaginal hysterectomy, rectocele and cystocele repair with a sacrospinous fixation to help prevent another prolapse.

All the other regulars will be along in a moment, we're a friendly bunch

CremolaFirCone Mon 09-Dec-13 23:24:46

Hello everyone. I am 10 weeks post total abdominal hysterectomy including a random couple of weeks with post operative MRSA. Whoop.
All welcome.
Odds how are you today.?

Oddsocksrus Mon 09-Dec-13 23:30:21

Heading back in tomorrow to see the team about post op infections..
I've coughed so much with this damn cold I've pulled stitches, so it all bled more and now it's all gone yucky so back I go.

It is very tender and sore again, I can't stand for more than 5 minutes

And you Crem, ok today?

CremolaFirCone Mon 09-Dec-13 23:37:23

Yes but I can feel a scratchy sore throat starting.... Grr
Fortunately I didn't harm myself on Friday night considering the , erm, dancing, drinking and general partying. It's a wonder how I didn't tbh.
Hope the pain eases soon odds and they are helpful at the ward. Can't believe its two weeks since your op already.
Hope the others ( --vag cones and all--)find us here toogrin

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 10-Dec-13 07:23:18

Odd that sounds pretty grim sad

I'm being a right miserable cow because I don't like being patient or a patient. I didn't sleep well because basically I've not done enough to make me tired...but I'm not well enough to do much

Today I am going to send DD to school, shower, walk the dog around the coast path for an hour, pop into the garden centre and choose an apple tree, plant it, finish painting in the kitchen and then lounge on the sofa reading.

Parts of that may not be true

thekingfisher Tue 10-Dec-13 07:24:48

Hello all on exciting new thread - I am now 13 days post op from a total abdominal hysterectomy. I'm 40 and have 1 ds10. Had hysterectomy following huge arterial bleed and emergency UAE surgery in France whilst on relaxing weekend mini- break . Tah to stop it ever happening again and to remove the rather small fibroid that was causing all the trauma....

Recovery so far uneventful other than a bit of wound opening now much improved, cold still ongoing but feeling 100000000x better than lasts week !

Purveying pelvic toner options with interest.

I has some if the cones with varying weights that you walk about with which were odd as I couldn't ever sort out where they should really sit in you iykwim . I have an embarrassing story about them that I might share later ,,,wink

thekingfisher Tue 10-Dec-13 07:27:21

Poor you odds, fingers crossed they can get you sorted (())

Santas I was feeling like a malingerer until I read your last sentence.grin

thekingfisher Tue 10-Dec-13 08:31:12

Just realises the cones you talk of are the ones I have - may revisit them....

Kevinsbowel Tue 10-Dec-13 08:51:59

Morning all, new thread new me but the others will recognise...

Three weeks post keyhole surgery to remove uterus and ovaries because of humongous fibroids. Think the size of a small cat....

Main thing we keyhole girls have noticed is we feel pretty well straight away and that makes us underestimate how much actually went on internally. We get told off a lot by our doctors for doing too much.

Odd socks that is grim but I am glad you are going back in, I was worried about all that blud. When was your op?

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 10-Dec-13 09:14:23

I have decided popping cones in before shower then wandering around whilst I get ready is a good plan as long as they don't drop out in front of DPs sons

Kevinsbowel Tue 10-Dec-13 09:17:11

They may well drop out apparently. However after I shower I watch judge judy, as my guilty off-work pleasure, but I guess I could do that standing up..

shewhowines Tue 10-Dec-13 10:40:52

I'm here... Should probably be dropping out a bit now as I'm 13 weeks or so, post radical abdominal, but for some reason I can't seem to stay away... fgrin I still need to get to the bottom of who this mysterious Katy is, for a start fsmile Me thinks the lady doth protest too much...

I haven't watched Judge Judy for years. Are they the same old repeats?

odds hope they are helpful today.

Bet all the work will catch up with waiting and she'll be paying for it soon.

What colour is the kitchen? santa Make sure you do at least three coats! I'm sure you'll get it done in a couple of hours. fgrin

shewhowines Tue 10-Dec-13 10:41:41

I need to know why Kevin's bowel is of importance?

Oddsocksrus Tue 10-Dec-13 12:23:12

Humongous anti biotics.. Only slightly raised temperature (37.6) but they took a swab.... I put in my own speculum........!!!!!!!!!! Really hope I don't have to do that again!
I had the funniest dr and nurse team, really fab who were very organised, swab done, temperature, tummy squidged around and stitches check.
They thought it was unlikely that I would have undone anything by coughing but that will be checked at the 6 week meeting. It shouldn't have started bleeding again tho...

Back to the sofa fgrin and to read about cones ?!?

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 10-Dec-13 12:28:22

I nearly fainted at the speculum comment shock

Kevinsbowel Tue 10-Dec-13 12:31:39

Eek odd socks you deserve better than cones discussions, eg us move onto chocolate.

Hotel chocolat for Christmas, I think, non?

My friends have been luffly dropping on for tea and whatever but not one of them has thought to bring chocolate. Flowers, yes. Chocolate, no. Why is this????

Kevinsbowel Tue 10-Dec-13 12:34:33

Judge judy... They are all old episodes but not yet repeats for me. I am just shock when some person takes the stand explaining that s/he has three kids and a criminal record and x amount of debt and blah blah and then you find out s/he is 18. And I am thinking, when did you even have the time to do all this? I couldn't even drive when I was 18.

shewhowines Tue 10-Dec-13 12:53:56

I had lots of chocolates given to me when I came out of hospital. For the only time in my life, I completely lost my appetite for chocs. I just couldn't face them. By the time I fancied some, my darling children little buggers had eaten them all fsad

Waitingaround Tue 10-Dec-13 16:06:49

I received lovely malt whiskey from my colleagues (they know me well smile)

CremolaFirCone Tue 10-Dec-13 16:12:24

I got flahrs and soup. Oh so much soup.grinyou'd think I'd had my tonsils outwink

Santaspelvicfloor Tue 10-Dec-13 17:37:50

Lots of flowers here. Whiskey, soup and chocs (not at the same time) sound good

I've been for my daily outing...sainsburys. I didn't manage more than 15 mins before feeling telltale tugging sensation so came home.

thekingfisher Tue 10-Dec-13 17:57:06

Have any of the more recent ones of us thought about driving. I'm 2 weeks tomorrow and the physic said 3 weeks should be fine - as I'm progressing now I would agree with that but interested to get others opinions/expereinces.

Have already checked with the insurance and they said - whatever your Dr said - and the Dr said whenever I felt ready so I guess its up to me?

I live rurally so if I can't get out I really can't get out….

thekingfisher Tue 10-Dec-13 17:57:27

physic = physio

Santaspelvicfloor Tue 10-Dec-13 17:58:20

I'm not going to drive until 4 weeks. After a section I drive at 3 weeks but my need is not the same now

Kevinsbowel Tue 10-Dec-13 18:07:36

Not driving yet but we don't have a car so driving is for massive journeys where we hire one. I think I cold do a short drive.

More importantly, how long did people wait before drinking alcohol?

CremolaFirCone Tue 10-Dec-13 18:36:07

My pshyco grin said driving after 4-6 weeks. The difficulty if achieving a comfortable emergency stop without hurting. If you can't don't drive. My insurance company would only insure me after 8 weeks so do check your policy.
Personally pulling up the handbrake was hard enough after 9 weeks. Still don't like it much- stretchy feeling sometimes sore.

Santaspelvicfloor Tue 10-Dec-13 18:51:05

Day 3 or 4 Kevin Didn't want to mix it with the anaesthetic so I waited wink

Kevinsbowel Tue 10-Dec-13 20:16:09

Oh ok, so I ought to be Ok by now....

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Tue 10-Dec-13 20:45:34

Found you all!

Sorry haven't been around for a few days. I'm tons better and making up for lost time with stuff I've been wanting to do around the house ready for DS1 coming home from uni and Christmas stuff generally.

It was genuinely lovely to be able to dash about and move like I used to. I'm staying off the heavy lifting though. The whole experience has made me determined to work on my fitness and flexibility when I'm fully better, on the grounds of 'you don't know what you've got till it's gone' grin

Re the pelvic floor. Mine's in the best shape it's been post DC. In the past I tried the itens probe and the Aquaflex cones. I was never sure I had them in the right place. I've been doing GussieGrips set of pelvic floors since the op and I think they've made a huge difference.

Oddsocksrus Tue 10-Dec-13 20:47:26

Hallo, I'm back in the happy land of tramadol, volterol and big fat codeines... With horse pill sized anti b's (I did check which end they went as they are about the same size as the glycerin pre op articles of torture)

I have been very fortunate in luffly stuff being brought by some really lovely visitors, I had a poinsettia and a tin of chocolate biscuit from the WI (I share the secretaries job with my neighbour), two lots of flowers and one lot of chocs that lasted all of 30 minutes fgrin

I likes the chocolate talk, I think I am some time away from inserting anything ever again in my poor lady parts

thekingfisher Tue 10-Dec-13 20:54:46

Poor you Odds have you a lot of pain. ?

Santaspelvicfloor Tue 10-Dec-13 20:58:37

You poor thing. I really hope the drugs do their stuff soon for you.

thekingfisher Tue 10-Dec-13 21:01:01

Just another thing I have started to get some really big lumps under my wound dr Google suggests this is fine and is just part of healing process and new tissue developing ... There's no heat or itching so pretty sure it's not infection has anyone else had this?

Santaspelvicfloor Tue 10-Dec-13 21:13:24

My sector. Scar healed as if small marbles had been sewn through. It took 12mths to remodel to a neat flat scar

Beastofburden Tue 10-Dec-13 21:25:28

Poor odds sad

Santaspelvicfloor Tue 10-Dec-13 22:43:17

My section that should have read

spudmama Wed 11-Dec-13 08:13:52

So this is where you are are, been gone for a couple of days to find name changes and pelvic floor competitions all going on

Going back to the other thread to investigate which contraption looks the most fun will do the job best.

Will be back later.

As for driving i left it until about 5 weeks just didn't feel the need before this, it also just happened to payday week grin

greenfolder Wed 11-Dec-13 09:32:37

Morning-so 2 weeks today post op-feel better and worse all at the same time! Weight is coming off and belly slightly less bloated.
Is anyone taking iron? I was measured at 9 point something post op-which is good for me but then I realised this is the first time in adult life I won't be gushing pints of the stuff per fanjo every 3 weeks. What should it be? 12 or 13? Should I crack into the spatone?

Kevinsbowel Wed 11-Dec-13 11:00:44

Hello green <waves>

9 is a bit rubbish, you want to be around 12 to 14. I was taking iron before but I got extra blood in theatre as i was so anaemic, and having gone up to 13.6 I can tell you it feels fabulous. I would be cracking open the iron and orange juice combo if I were you.

Santaspelvicfloor Wed 11-Dec-13 11:18:57

No idea what my Hb is so it must be ok. It must be fabulous for those of you that suffered horrendous periods to have them removed from your lives.

I'd have opted for this years ago if I'd suffered those

Kevinsbowel Wed 11-Dec-13 12:14:08

I can't tell you how lovely. I had to plan holidays around them... Then the buggers always moved anyway.

Waitingaround Wed 11-Dec-13 16:39:42

odds I have no intention of shoving anything up my ahem until I'm at least 12 weeks post op which is when relations with DH are allowed by consultant. But am keen to strengthen the old floor though as it feels slightly unstable, especially now I'm back at work and seem to be on my feet all the time. Not leaking but feel odd if you know what I mean?

CremolaFirCone Wed 11-Dec-13 16:58:25

With my tendency towards infection I'll not be going anywhere near my hoo hoo either waiting. Sorry you're on your own testersgrin
I have cleaned the living room like a maniac. Even done the old skirtings and made space for A Tree. Moved all the electric cables around to save any faffing when we put it up . Feel SO SATISFIED!! The house was filthy ! I have even polished the two silver picture frames we got as a wedding present. [smug]
I feel terrific. I'm only telling you this as a way of saying - you will be better soon- you really will!
Re the anaemia .: I hovered around 5/6 for years and took iron and spatone. This is the first time in 20 years I haven't felt that I'm dragging a rock behind me permanently. Low iron makes you feel dire. No one tells you that though., do they?
My hg is now normal range . Huge difference to quality of life.
I have had the house to myself today and honestly if I could just have that for Xmas is be pleased:0/

Waitingaround Wed 11-Dec-13 17:29:23

Ok crem now feel guilty about pig sty house- so will haul my ass out of the bath and Hoover smile

Kevinsbowel Wed 11-Dec-13 17:36:58

Ladies, ladies, what is this loose talk of housework?

We are ill. I can assure you that if our DP had had similar items removed in a comparable process we would not be coming home from work to a freshly scrubbed home, oh no.

Housework needs to be limited to the necessary processes to discover where you left the chocolate.

I am so enjoying having the house to myself all day until DC appear from school/college. I am going to find it extremely difficult to get back to work, after this blissful interlude.

<wonders if occupational health would allow me to take a blow-up bed and a pile of detective fiction to work for my lunch break>

CremolaFirCone Wed 11-Dec-13 17:47:31

Well FGS don't be cleaning til you're ready!! I was ready - not meaning to guilt anyone - please please don't be doing anything unnessesaire!
I am way ahead of you at 11 weeks don't forgetsmile

Kevinsbowel Wed 11-Dec-13 18:06:58

Not trying to make you feel bad, crem, it is good to hear from the other side! I was just being silly....

Waitingaround Wed 11-Dec-13 18:10:56

It's alright crem I'm a bit OCD about the Hoover and it's a dyson. My house is now all fresh again smile * kevin* I'm 8 1/2 weeks so allowed to clean, certainly wasn't at your stage.
I also didn't think I wanted to go back to work and did mention to the family that I could remain at home if they wanted (they didn't hmm) however now I'm back, am actually quite enjoying it (won't last though).

greenfolder Wed 11-Dec-13 18:28:11

Full steam ahead with the spa tone then-am allergic to all citrus fruit so can't do the orange juice and for some reason vitamin c tabs are always orange flavoured!

Kevinsbowel Wed 11-Dec-13 18:48:45

There's vitamin C in cabbage <helpful>

CremolaFirCone Wed 11-Dec-13 18:57:59

And Unskinned potatoes and watercress.
Savoy cabbage thinly sliced with a clove of garlic stir fried. Yum.

Santaspelvicfloor Wed 11-Dec-13 19:54:33

Crem I could kiss you for your you will be better soon. I'm feeling frustrated and driving DP bonkers with repetitive moaning about how little progress I'm making (<1 week since op!) I do need to remember that.

Gee thanks Kevin for reminding me that my days of blissful peace are soon to be binned as DDs leave uni and school.

I have a great boss who will let me do what hours I'm ready to do ...which means I'd go back sooner. However hovering in the wings is HR who will probably either go all heavy and insist on OH assessment before I return or have me back and expect full time from day one. They really are crap. I need to be back ASAP because work will just pile up. From my pov earlier but v short days would be better. HR will probably bugger up best plan for the dept and best plan for me

Plain chocolate, Brazil nuts...all good sources of iron I heard once and repeat at every opportunity I can because it makes it true and I love em

shewhowines Wed 11-Dec-13 20:09:20

Fillet steak and champagne then! Surely there must be vitamin c in the grapes. grin

Hoovering was the very last thing I tackled. I don't think that is very good for you, seriously.

I've felt great for a few weeks now. I don't feel any different to before the op, apart from slightly dodgy bowels still. smile

Santaspelvicfloor Wed 11-Dec-13 20:13:13

I was saying today that fitness wise I feel pretty good...nothing a couple of weeks of walking a lot, wouldn't fix. However in terms of how it's all hanging together its a different story. I feel like the ligament holding my hips together and holding my guts in place has been removed completely

Kevinsbowel Wed 11-Dec-13 20:22:26

I have just been drained of all sense of duty and responsibility, but that was always a risk smile

I felt insecure around the pelvis but tis better since I have doing the dreaded excercises. And as the swelling goes down, there is a kind of "boat settling into the bottom to the lock" effect as various organs bump their way down into the new space.

Waitingaround Wed 11-Dec-13 21:14:44

she I didn't attempt the Hoover till the recommended 6 weeks and have found it fine
. It's any lifting that I find a bit if a problem- I feel it pulling and feel very vulnerable down below- so I avoid lifting anything heavier than half a kettle full at the mo. I have recently started pelvic floor exercises and I hope this helps. I did attempt mucking out a couple of weeks ago but this was very foolish and hurt a lot and I think set me back (again)! However in myself I feel much better than pre op (I think my bladder just needs to find its new home still).

Santaspelvicfloor Thu 12-Dec-13 07:48:07

I'm finding remembering not to lift tricky, almost as tricky as the inconvenience of not being able to. I can go a couple of weeks without seeing partner (boyfriend is a silly term at my age) normally. I shudder to think how I'd cope if he hadn't offered to move in with me. Shopping without a car, carrying the shop in, if I had a taxi, getting Christmas decs out of the loft, cooking every meal, putting the bins out, walking the dog. (I'm still early days and might find out in a few weeks I guess!)

I felt quite good yesterday after a 'busy day' (My busy day consisted of nearly all day on the sofa but 90 minutes out.... Woohoo).

I'm planning a little trip out for a walk and a coffee as a treat

Kevinsbowel Thu 12-Dec-13 08:28:21

Yay and it is also really nice for both of you, for your man to have a chance to show how much he cares.

Lifting, depends what it is. I find its ok if you can isolate the arm muscles and just use them, but that only works if the thing is physically compact. So I can pick up our 8 kg cat and chuck the bugger off my sofa but I wouldn't want to carry washing upstairs.

Santaspelvicfloor Thu 12-Dec-13 09:16:57

I have carried a few things 'heavier than a kettle' from day one but am not sure I'll ever return to the days of humping bags of latter, cement or fertiliser as I used to.

It is lovely having him here but weird at the same time. I'm so used to my own space.

greenfolder Thu 12-Dec-13 09:41:43

Am going for a little walk to end of road and back to see how that feels. Was going to post a letter but no stamps and shop is too far for my first outing. Hoping to build up over weekend so I can pick up little one from school ten min walk normally.

CremolaFirCone Thu 12-Dec-13 21:28:58

Green how did you get on?

Jacksmania Thu 12-Dec-13 22:43:43

May I join? Got my op coming up sometime in Feb, maybe March. I don't have a date set yet. Hysterectomy incl cervix and tubes, cystocoele repair (bladder lift) and possibly rectocoele repair. I usually hang out on the Ragged Bits thread. If I bring wine and munchies, may I join you?

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Fri 13-Dec-13 00:24:12

2 days back in work and I fell fast asleep on the sofs this evening for an hour and a half! Guess who's wide awake now though!

Welcome Jacks

Would somebody kind please pm me who everyone is now please? I'm very confused by the name changes. confused

Waitingaround Fri 13-Dec-13 06:43:38

Hello jacks smile

greenfolder Fri 13-Dec-13 06:52:07

Well I walked to the bottom of the road and back twice, once in the morning and again in th ed afternoon. It was fine though my stomach felt heavy. Have to be careful because it's tempting to go for a long walk when I live on top of a hill and have to toil to get up it! It feels like New bits have stop being numb and have started to ache. Have to say though so far nothing has hurt as much as I thought it would.

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 13-Dec-13 08:00:36

Hi jacks

Waiting is difficult. You know you have this fairly big event to prepare for and a loose idea but not a definite of when. I was more stressed beforehand and reading everyone's troubles was both terrifying and good at levelling my expectations.

shewhowines Fri 13-Dec-13 08:18:21

Welcome jacks .
We're all sitting on the recovery sofa now. You are the only one waiting but we will be glad to hold your hand. Don't be put off by all the horror stories. I think most of us agree that it wasn't as bad as we thought it would be.

green keep at it. It's doing you good. How long has it been since your op again?

Apart from being tired, how's work going letsface and waiting ?

Waitingaround Fri 13-Dec-13 08:43:29

Am enjoying being back at work smile and feel that I am now making a quick recovery. I'm tired today but been ok all week- although I'm in an admin type role at the mo I am standing and walking a lot so this has been hard but good for me I think.
. jacks I found the waiting the hardest bit and was emotionally all over the place- the op was easy and although I had a couple of set backs the recovery was fine smilesmile

Kevinsbowel Fri 13-Dec-13 08:53:45

Hey jacks,

I had a very easy time, almost no pain. Up from surgery at 8 pm, slept fine, walking up and down the corridors by 10 am next day. And it is very lovely to feel better from all the things that we bugging me before the operation.

Off for my four week check today, how did that go so fast?? Can't believe I will be back at work in only three weeks, I luffs it here on my sofa sad

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 13-Dec-13 10:35:26

My DP has just left me. As in 'left me'. I'm in shock. I have my youngest DC to tell and Christmas to consider... Lovely timing

Kevinsbowel Fri 13-Dec-13 10:42:30

No! I can't believe it. You poor thing.

Do you want to come over to "the other thread" to talk?

Jacksmania Fri 13-Dec-13 14:55:29

Oh Santas - that's horrible sad
I'm so sorry sad
<offers hand to hold>

Thank you for the welcome everybody. Will tell more of my story later, but just wanted to say I'm in a different time zone (8 hours behind you all, I'm on the West Coast of Canada) so post at odd times. I'll be very grateful for the hand-holding, it's been a long road to where I am now.

wine for you all, brew for me. (Morning here.)

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 13-Dec-13 15:02:14

Doesn't this post from yesterday look sad now: I can go a couple of weeks without seeing partner (boyfriend is a silly term at my age) normally. I shudder to think how I'd cope if he hadn't offered to move in with me. Shopping without a car, carrying the shop in, if I had a taxi, getting Christmas decs out of the loft, cooking every meal, putting the bins out, walking the dog. (I'm still early days and might find out in a few weeks I guess!)

It's the suddenness and the timing which has really thrown me. It is out of the blue for me

Waitingaround Fri 13-Dec-13 15:12:27

Santas, don't know what to say really (but hugs) perhaps it's the reality of the situation getting to him at the mo, by that I mean it's a BIG step moving in with someone and caring for them all at the same time. It could still all be alright- he might need some space to think things through and then chat

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 13-Dec-13 15:15:46

I don't know if you're all in relationships with fathers of your DP but as a lone parent I won't put my child through this experience again. So coupled with the loss of DP is the knowledge that I am going to be very much alone for a very long time, possibly forever. I'd've actually been alone a lot of my life so I can cope but it's really really hard.

Kevinsbowel Fri 13-Dec-13 15:22:58

I can see what waiting means about maybe he has found it too much and over reacted. My other half has been doing everything and he has got very very tired. Is there any possibility on what he said, that he might want to go back to your previous arrangement?

Kevinsbowel Fri 13-Dec-13 15:26:26

On being alone forever, no, I can't believe that. You might be wary of anything that involves your DC for the next five years, maybe. But they will soon be old enough for you not to be worried.

Bug hugs. [[]]

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 13-Dec-13 15:51:39

I'm not good with bugs.... What sort of a bug is that hug? smile

Kevinsbowel Fri 13-Dec-13 16:13:35

No idea, made it up.

Kevinsbowel Fri 13-Dec-13 16:14:57

Oh.. Just seen bug hugs...

If you want typos, I just emailed my GP my HRT prescription. You have No idea how many goes it took the iPad to understand 25 mcg of estrogen....

greenfolder Fri 13-Dec-13 16:51:28

Santa that is rubbish- so sorry- have you got someone to help with the heavier stuff?

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 13-Dec-13 16:59:01

Two daughters. I'm still sitting here trying to fathom it out. It has come from nowhere for me

CremolaFirCone Fri 13-Dec-13 17:29:57

Just wanted to say how sorry I am Santa .sad What a terrible shock.
We are here for you if you need to vent. Stay strong.

thekingfisher Fri 13-Dec-13 18:38:09

Santa I'm so sorry you are in this position - I agree with the others is there any chance he has just got overwhelmed with things as they have suddenly changed?

A hand to hold here - wishing you and your dc hugs

Jacksmania Fri 13-Dec-13 19:53:13

Sending bug hugs too. Mine are love bugs, though, so they're harmless. smile

God, that's just utterly shit, I'm so sorry sad

CremolaFirCone Fri 13-Dec-13 19:54:55

Jacks , have you any indication how long you'll have to wait? I had to wait ages and for me that was one if the hardest things. I felt a little like my life was on hold. confused

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Fri 13-Dec-13 20:42:54

Thanks for the pm s. Think I've got it sorted now.

Bloody hell Santa that's properly shit. sad What a shiity thing.

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 13-Dec-13 20:50:36

The good news is that physically I don't feel as shit as I thought I might after a busy day with barely any lying down.

Still not clear why he has done it. I think cold feet is the best answer

shewhowines Fri 13-Dec-13 22:05:13

Oh Santa how awful for you.
I suppose it was a big shock from dating to full time family life, with no gradual middle bit. In fact it was heavier going than full time family life, it was family life and looking after you and doing everything on his own. Our dps found it really hard and they were used to the family life bit!
What a bummer. How long had you been together?
thanks for you. Hope you manage to get some sleep.

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 13-Dec-13 22:07:14

3 and a half years! Not just a passing relationship however we did both have commitment issues so didn't live together.

shewhowines Fri 13-Dec-13 22:19:05

That's an awful long time. Have you got good friends or family who can rally round and both physically and mentally support you for a while?

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 13-Dec-13 22:27:59

Yes. I do have. I feel slightly overwhelmed by offers right now.

Oddsocksrus Sat 14-Dec-13 07:40:52

brew for Santa! I am so sorry, what an awful thing to do. I hope that everyone in RL is doing what you need.

shewhowines Sat 14-Dec-13 11:45:19

How are you feeling today santa ? How old is you're dd?
You need sometime to take stock and get your head round it all. Like the hysterectomy, it will feel better eventually, but it's going to be horrible for a while. You WILL get through this.

Keep strong.

Santaspelvicfloor Sat 14-Dec-13 12:30:28

Thank you. DD and I are watching The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel

I feel I've joined the recovery schedule a little bit. We've spoken today and that has helped understand it all. The end result is the same. That is something I will adjust to and need to just accept the next few weeks are a recovery time until I can start to live a full life again.

Waitingaround Sat 14-Dec-13 13:11:06

Hugs again xx

greenfolder Sat 14-Dec-13 18:08:25

Went into town today for a coffee and wander around the shops. Too much excitement after 2 weeks in the house. Had to go to bed after.

thekingfisher Sat 14-Dec-13 18:52:54

Well I'm out on the dazzle tonight!
Going to take it easy though it's a Xmas party at friends house although a big do! Friends are driving and have cab booked for 10- so only a couple of hours....
Hopefully not too much for 17 days post op !?grinwinewinewine

thekingfisher Sat 14-Dec-13 18:54:27

Dazzle? Razzle - not sure I'll be dazzling quite yet....

Santaspelvicfloor Sat 14-Dec-13 21:53:20

I went to a friends for dinner. Lovely friend and I spent a lot of time on sofa but was still wiped out. She can't get her car near my house so dropped me nearby. Storm outside and I declined her offer to borrow a mac or have company to walk to the house because I felt fine. By the time I reached the front door I was wet and shivering and crying with tiredness.

Warm in bed now. Awful storm raging

Beastofburden Sat 14-Dec-13 22:02:19

Sleep tight

Santaspelvicfloor Sun 15-Dec-13 09:17:59

I've phoned the hospital and am going in for a check up at 11am. They have warned me I will have to wait around. Part of me nearly said no thanks because I think I need to rest at home more. But I'll go.

Trying to summon up the courage to ask people for a lift. I hate asking for help

Waitingaround Sun 15-Dec-13 09:25:25

santa ask for help, people won't mind

Waitingaround Sun 15-Dec-13 09:26:18

king did you dazzle everyone last nightgrin

Kevinsbowel Sun 15-Dec-13 09:32:47

Good idea, Santa, your recovery has been disrupted and I expect you are exhausted. If they tell you to rest, you may have to let people help you.

I also hate asking for help and it has been very strange this last four weeks to be so idle. But it has worked. I saw my surgeon on Friday and she said I was in amazing shape considering it was not even four weeks. And it has helped DH to feel he was contributing.

I also got to see photos of the Thing. Huge, shiny monster, ewwwwww.

Kevinsbowel Sun 15-Dec-13 09:36:27

I freaked my poor surgeon out though- she told me the pathology of the Thing was fine, nothing nasty growing.

Good, I said, were the ovaries OK too?

She went white and said, "you didn't want to keep them, did you?"

Poor thing- I had told her to take them out, all I meant was, did they look suspicious before they landed in the bucket? But I could see visions of negligence suits flashing before her eyes.

I actually don't see how they could do the wrong operation. Just before they knocked me out, they said, "tell me in your own words what you are having done".

Santaspelvicfloor Sun 15-Dec-13 10:02:18

Yes it's very good the way they do all the pre op checks now isn't it? I felt their attention to detail was amazing. Photos? How nice confused

My brother just phoned and is passing so is taking me in for 10 and I'll just wait around

You're right about asking but it's not easy. I will ring someone and ask for a lift home though.

I have urinalysis sticks at home for my renal disease and they are indicating blood in urine. Could be just picked up from vaginal blood but it's worth getting checked. I need to rest. It's just really hard between everything going on!

thekingfisher Sun 15-Dec-13 10:35:51

Hope all is ok at hospital Santa - you have has such a horrid week , you muSt ask for help and I have found that people have been keen to help and actually be able to do something.

I had a lovely time last night though feeling a little sore this morning from all the laughing. Very good therapy but like a work out on the old scar area so an easy day today.

My mum has left this
Morning so house is back to being my own except ds now finished for Xmas and he's here - I fear we will be fighting for the remote !

Santaspelvicfloor Sun 15-Dec-13 11:25:59

I was seen very quickly by a really lovely Dr. She's quite happy that the bleeding is normal and the haematoma left at the vault is just breaking down. This is apparently good. If it doesn't break down it can be a source of infection. She's given me antibiotics anyway just to cover me and ensure it all heals ok.

We discussed my level of activity. DP left over an argument that I was doing too much. The bleeding started the day he left and I'd obviously had a terribly busy day so I immediately assumed he was right and I 'deserved this' and have been feeling terrified that I've caused my own problems. However a) I'm healing well and b) she says walking is good and I know what I can do. So I walked home from hospital smile

I feel happy.

DD breaks up from secondary school on Friday. No rest from then on!

Kevinsbowel Sun 15-Dec-13 11:34:07

Excellent news. It is actually really satisfying to feel yourself getting better every day. You will make loads of progress this next ten days.

Dd will have to pull her weight a bit. I'm sure she will want to.

Santaspelvicfloor Sun 15-Dec-13 12:49:11

I feel so much more confident which considering everything else going on is a bonus

Kevinsbowel Sun 15-Dec-13 14:52:34

That is good. Now for some sunday afternoon rest.

Do you have a child that can cook? I recommend fruit scones by the fire...

Kevinsbowel Mon 16-Dec-13 09:58:30

Hope the morning is OK for all. Bit wet and stormy here.

Interesting advice I got worth passing on. I have got oestrogen patches. My surgeon has also added some "topical oestrogen" to this. This means that the walls of the vagina will be protected from atrophy and that helps prevent a bladder or vaginal prolapse later. Also solves vaginal dryness.

Apparently this is not often prescribed in the UK and people aren't aware of the benefits. Definitely worth discussing with your GP/gynae surgeon when you have your checkups.

Boy I am glad I name changed for this thread blush

shewhowines Mon 16-Dec-13 10:58:43

Hi everyone,
How are you all doing? It's nice that all the infections seem to have settled down.

santa how are you after your visit to hopsital a few days ago? Are you ok generally, after your shock? I suppose it's still very early days and it's still very raw.

king I bet you will love the peace and quiet, now your mums gone. You will need it after all that dazzling! You have priority for that remote and prime position on the sofa. Turf him off. Donchya know, you've had a big op grin

green go easy on the old excitement grin

jacks it must still seem a long way off. Will the op make a big difference to everyday life?

Santaspelvicfloor Mon 16-Dec-13 11:37:46

Haha at name change. My details are so obvious re splitting up that I might as well put my real name! <waves at friends and colleagues>

Gynae surgeon wants me stopped onto oestrogen HRT for the same reason but no one mentioned topical. I will discuss

I'm feeling good. Definitely tired and uncomfortable by evening. Yesterday I cooked a roast because DD was back from uni. Re the exP, we have communicated a lot by email which has been helpful so I understand his position. It's definitely a case of it's not you, it's me (I.e. He has a problem) and I think the future will depend on whether he tackles the issue (nothing sinister!)

My knickers are catching right on my stitches. My waist band of my trousers is catching higher up. Lying on the sofa naked from the waist down is not an option. I also have a funny pain (like something is catching? Not sore but like a finger poking from the inside) around umbilicus. Anyone else?

I'm confused where everyone is ... I'm day 10 lap total with BSO

Kevinsbowel Mon 16-Dec-13 11:55:33

Absolutely had all that.

Funny poking up pain around tummy button went on for around three weeks. I thought it was the glue but clearly not, you didn't have any glue. Anyway, mostly gone now, sometimes comes back. Surgeon not remotely concerned about it at the four week check up.

Stitches catching on clothes- yes, and the glue as well. Mine came out around three weeks and it was a lot more comfortable afterwards. I don't wear trousers anyway. A nice stretchy jersey empire line dress is your friend, and you can wear it with opaques so the DVT stockings aren't as embarrassing, or you could go commando as long as nobody can creep up on you on the sofa. Des DD have anything you can steal borrow? Or wear your PJs if you are not going anywhere.

DS is also back from Uni and he is doing some cooking, could your elder DD take over the food now she's home?

SAd for your poor DP , he must be feeling frustrated with his issues, good luck to him in working through them. Though I do feel he could have waited for you to be four weeks post-op...

Just had nice yomp round the park, I am back up to pre-op speed and stamina which is good.

Kevinsbowel Mon 16-Dec-13 11:58:45

Topical oestrogen- I have been prescribed a "vagifem pessary" 10mcg. Obviously your own GP will want to make up their own mind, but that's what it's called.

Time to raise the tone of my day with a little music, I think.

Kevinsbowel Mon 16-Dec-13 12:01:15

shew hello to you too. How are things at your end, so to speak?

Santaspelvicfloor Mon 16-Dec-13 12:36:12

That's reassuring. I'm sure I'll be more comfortable when the stitches leave me. I keep pondering removing them myself. Good plan re a dress. I'm not wearing Teds? (DVT stockings) Should I be!

DD is a lithe size 12. I'm a curvy 14.

I have black PJ bottoms on this morning and did find myself twisting and turning looking in the mirror wondering if I could get away with them to walk the dog ...then came to my senses.

Is shew back at work?

shewhowines Mon 16-Dec-13 12:48:26

It's hard to remember how I felt post op, as I am feeling completely normal now. I'm finding myself running up the stairs without thinking etc. I'm waiting till after christmas to go back to the gym. Will take it easy at first but I am desperate to get back to Zumba. I miss it and I need to lose some post op weight. I'll need to build up to that though. The instructor likes the higher impact tracks.

Have my lymphodema clinic appointment tomorrow to see if my legs are any more swollen since the removal of my lymph nodes with the hysterectomy. I'm sure I've put on a couple of pounds since last month when I was last measured, despite my good intentions so I'm hoping that she won't make me wear the dreaded compression stockings. It is hopefully fat not swelling, if my legs increase in size sad

shewhowines Mon 16-Dec-13 12:53:22

It's been 14/15 weeks since my op now. I would be back at work, if I did any blush I'm very fortunate to be a lady of leisure SAHM. My youngest just started secondary though, so will be thinking of doing something in the next year or two definitely part time

Kevinsbowel Mon 16-Dec-13 13:02:35

Removing them yourself??? I have visions of you spraying the room like Mr Creosote in monty python. <faints>. Leave em alone and put something over them- a slip or something?

Damn all lithe daughters. I have one, and it is so humiliating. tohuugh at least her feet have finally grown past the pount wheree she can borrow my shoes and trash them. Perhaps you have a friend with similar measurements who has a suitable dress?

I didn't bother with the stockings either but thought I was a tad delinquent and every else did... I got achy calves at one point but was told it wasn't DVT but mild phlebitis. I put them back on to meet my surgeon and she said, "oh bless you, you are still wearing the stockings" in a kind of "sweet gullible thing" voice. So I wouldn't worry.

Can't you wear PJ bottoms under a big coat?

Kevinsbowel Mon 16-Dec-13 13:04:44

shew that sounds good though it would take a lot to get me back to high impact Zumba! I am hoping to get back to swimming at 6 weeks.

Could be fun to investigate a bit of part time with your youngest at secondary- sort of new era, new you thing. I definitely feel that about having got the menopause over with in 25 minutes. Time to get fit and fabulous, I think....

Santaspelvicfloor Mon 16-Dec-13 13:57:22

grin I have decided against DIY stitch removal but mainly in care I slip with the kitchen scissors. I think the guts will stay put. On that topic I wonder if it's a little hernia type pain around the umbilicus. Pressing on it helps

I envy you shew however I would need some sort of structure albeit volunteer/walking club or part time job. It's great for meeting people

greenfolder Mon 16-Dec-13 14:03:51

have walked to shop and am picking smallest one up from the after school club this pm. it has of course started hammering down and gone dark. spent this morning sending fuck off email to dd2s useless school so the old fight is still in me. am still resisting the christmas cupboard although did buy some crumpets from the shop. the other five are actually calling my name through the cupboard door!

Kevinsbowel Mon 16-Dec-13 14:38:49

My surgeon told me there is a huge stitch internally designed to stop us getting hernias, and it doesn't heal till 6 weeks or so. Maybe it's pulling as it heals?

Put those scissors down and stop stabbing at your stomach, that is seriously scary, you sound like Edward scissorhands. grin

Yes, green I got my walk in this morning and was glad as it is all dark and wet outside <snuggles down on sofa>

I thought for a minute you had locked your five youngest Dc in the cupboard <nods approvingly>.

Waitingaround Mon 16-Dec-13 15:30:47

Hello all smilesmile thought I'd check in and see how everyone is doing?

thekingfisher Mon 16-Dec-13 18:54:11

Hi waiting shew kevin green SPF

Hope you are all well - nice to see a bit of chat going on.

Also nice to have house back to myself (and DS) but we have kept busy today and not sat in front of telly too much although I did succumb to 1 mince pie ( homemade by dm) and a mini curly wurly and mini crunchy bar …..I was just feeling really nibbly late afternoon whilst having a rest. However have been busy and had a 50 min walk with ds and dog and as a test - as my 3 weeks post op is on wednesday - had a little drive out in the car and it was FINE !

I'm not going to go mental driving but really do feel fine to drive - frankly its comfier than standing up to cook…. I am relieved as I am fairly rural so DS is trapped here unless others come and get him which generally as he is at school 10 miles away isn't easy of them to do.

So I'm not really following guidelines as I seem to be feeling very good relatively. My tummy still does a lot of aching - although constipation never feels too far away which i think is part of the problem - and I have a lot of nerve pain over my lower tummy i.e. the surface is really unformfirtable like it is raw skin or something..this gets worse towards the end of the day other than that and some general tiredness I feel OK so I'm [retty much doing most stuff. I don't iron so none of that and not lugging anything really heavy about but otherwise making beds ( slowly) cooking, washing etc etc

What i haven't had is a bath which i would LOVE to have as i usually have a bath a night… but haven't got any guidance. My consultant said I was fine to swim after 2 weeks so I'm guessing a bath is fine but don't want to do myself an injury. I don't have any discharge ( other than after a poo / small amt of straining/sitting on loo) so I reckon it would be fine - but don't want to push it…

Any thoughts?

Santaspelvicfloor Mon 16-Dec-13 19:36:29

I'm keen to start swimming as well. With Christmas I'm going to be 4 weeks before I get the opportunity. I thought it was as soon as discharge ceased. Tbh I'd give it a miss until it's completely over

I'm eating loads blush

I walked to the shop for some essentials and home again (less than a mile). Planned a little nap so that I'd be fresh to go to the pub tonight and a visitor arrived. After she left I headed to bed reckoning on90 mins nap and DD was given instructions on cooking dinner. Second visitor arrived..... I'm knackered and DD did curry so I'll probably sit squirming in the pub as my guts revolt!

thekingfisher Mon 16-Dec-13 19:41:37

poor you - but at least good to be out and the curry will keep things moving grin

Santaspelvicfloor Mon 16-Dec-13 19:43:17

I've agreed to go to a Christmas lunch tomorrow!!! What I need is a day in bed

Kevinsbowel Mon 16-Dec-13 19:51:56

Hi king

How weird your advice is v different.

The physio told me, we normally say 4 weeks for swimming but actually 6 is better because there's a lot of twisting of the torso, and soft tissue internally takes six weeks.

But I had a bath the night I got home. I had glue and not dressings so it was all watertight from the start.

The raw skin thing sounds bad, I haven't had any of that and I think I am just doing much less than you so not as tired.

Kevinsbowel Mon 16-Dec-13 19:53:07

santa have most of tomorrow in bed, you do seriously need a good rest smile

I was grateful when friends turned up but also really glad when they left...

thekingfisher Mon 16-Dec-13 21:45:26

Hi Kevin yes it is my consultant who likes his patients to be swimming at 2 weeks although gently so not racing front crawl ....

I think non bathing thing is not letting wound go mushy although obv it's healed and not getting water up yr chuff as it's still healing too ....

Honestly think they say what they fancy !

Santaspelvicfloor Tue 17-Dec-13 04:46:43

I don't think I could have physically got in and out of a bath until now

It is funny the mixed advice. I swear the nurse told me to take dressings off and shower the day after the op. I whipped them off and decided it wasn't a good idea...asked a nurse who said whatever you do, don't disturb the dressing for 5 days. Too late. The dressing was also a light material and wouldn't last 5 days easily

Kevinsbowel Tue 17-Dec-13 09:20:31

He he.

The swimming was about pulling at tissue and it was the physio, I expect she wasn't thinking about wounds.

All mine were hermetically sealed with glue and I don't think they were worried about water reaching the operation site, cos it would have to get right through the cervix to manage that. So unless I stood on my head being pelted with scented flumes (how did they know so much about kingfishers habits? It's uncanny) should be OK.

I am lucky that my bath has grips on the sides for hauling your fat arse in and out. When I first moved here as a Young Person I sniggered a tiny bit. Now I am thinking they are a splendid idea and I will always have a bath with grips in future.

Razzlefrazzle Tue 17-Dec-13 09:50:48

Hello all, can I join you? Wish I'd found this thread earlier - I'm 5 weeks post op after full abdominal hysterectomy and rectocele and vagina repair. Ovaries were removed because of family history but also had huge fibroid. From all I have read I think I have been very lucky with my recovery so far but there are two things worrying me and I would really appreciate advice. First is my tummy - where did this huge swollen, droopy thing come from?! Second, sorry if tmi, but I have a constant yellow discharge, not smelly but starting to worry me. Doc said it was normal but does everyone get it and how long did it last? Hope all you lovely ladies are looking after yourselves (eating too much chocolate and watching rubbish telly) Thanks all

Kevinsbowel Tue 17-Dec-13 10:00:52

Welcome Razzle. Five weeks next Saturday, huge fibroid cluster led to hysterectomy and ovaries and tubes out. All by keyhole.

The discharge thing hasn't happened to me. I don't enough about nursing to know if that's a worry.

Floppy tummy I guess is that like me, you looked pregnant before and now there is a big volume of tissue. I am relying on swimming to get rid of it.

Watching judge judy right now.

Razzlefrazzle Tue 17-Dec-13 10:49:23

Thanks Kevin. Wonder if it's the repair to vagina that's doing it then. Consultant very proudly told me I now have the fanjo of an 18 year old but I think that must have involved a fair amount of needlework!! An emergency forceps delivery had caused plenty of damage down there. Despite fibroid I had a fairly flat tum pre op but now it's like an apron - looks like he's done a tummy tuck on the muscles etc inside which has left loads of 'spare' on the outside. Lovely. Not allowed to swim yet, just doing some stretches but need something more I think. After all, what use are my teenage lady-bits if they are hiding under my tummy-pinny? grin

Kevinsbowel Tue 17-Dec-13 10:58:26

Am jealous of the tummy tuck and repair! I am going to have to improve my muscle tone the old fashioned way..

CremolaFirCone Tue 17-Dec-13 11:02:39

Hi razzle and welcome to the coven sofa. It will take a while before you feel your body is yours again. I have been all sorts of shapes this last few months. Now I can actually wear my skinny jeans comfortably .smile
Re swimming I was advised not to use pool for a while because of infections. Drs implication was that public pools are filthy . Nonetheless I am desperate to get in the water but am waiting until after Xmas .

I have my return to work interview today. Hoping to start the week after Xmas when it's Feeling I am malingering a bit now .

Santaspelvicfloor Tue 17-Dec-13 11:08:41

Welcome Razzle. I've always had a flat tummy but now look 5 months pregnant. I think my injured muscles have just said fuck it and taken a leave of absence. I hope they will get over themselves and get back on duty late Jan perhaps. Discharge...mine is bloody. Again I think normal.

I'm waiting for my return to work discussion. Because of Christmas I think it might be soon. I've made it clear I'm happy to return early but on the basis that I do very few hours. The alternative is I take longer but frankly will have chaos to go back to. Their choice.

thekingfisher Tue 17-Dec-13 11:12:48

hello dazzle welcome

I too have tummy apron hanging down thing - had a bit of one following emcs 10years ago but this is Ginormous…very depressing and gives me a stomach camels foot look when my stretchy skinny jeans go on…more walking me thinks - and swimming once we are all in agreement when is a good time

shewhowines Tue 17-Dec-13 11:44:46

Welcome Razzle It's a pity you didn't find us before. Its great being among people suffering experiencing the same as you! I've never had a discharge of any sort - radical abdo. The swelly belly does go down, but it takes a fair few weeks.

santa was it you who was deluding yourself hoping that you would be back at work 2 days post op? Ok, a slight exaggeration there, but you were hoping to not need much time off?

kevin I'm slightly worried about your addiction to Judge Judy. How will you manage when you return to work?

crem time to enjoy your last couple of weeks, you malingerer you. grin

king wow thats early driving. I couldn't even contemplate it until 8 weeks but then my groin was sore until then. At 5/6 weeks I got a dragging sensation in my belly for a couple of weeks, that was different to before. Not really painful, just different. Could that be what you are feeling?

Good news at the lymphoedema clinic. My legs are the same size as last month. I don't need to go back for 3 months and I am safe from the dreaded stockings for the time being. Yay grin

Waitingaround Tue 17-Dec-13 12:34:04

Yay she excellent news smile.
Welcome razzel the tummy does go- however I'm now replacing the swelling with fat due to eating too much.
crem I think you know when it's right to go back to work..I did and am still enjoying it ( although looking forward to christmas break!). In fact I managed to stand for 6 hours at work yesterday and felt fine (ish smile)

Kevinsbowel Tue 17-Dec-13 13:19:02

Yay to she's legs.

Agree I am addicted to judge judy. Actually I am addicted to staying home. I don't think I have had seven weeks off (not responsible for children during the day) since I was 16. I keep telling myself Very Sternly that I need a pension and my kids need house deposits. But what is far, far more troubling than my judge judy addiction is my response to the rest of day time TV.

I am unmoved by the adverts for solicitors to help you sue after an accident. Bingo ads leave me cold. Hair removal via the No No looks dodgy to me. The Aldi ads look good but Aldi is miles away and we don't have a car.

But there is a firm advertising ghastly over-upholstered chairs for the crumbling. The adverts are shot using some over-acting women and her screen hubby, and purport to show their home at different heartwarming times of year. Despite the changing stories of snow, autumn leaves, family BBQs etc, they have forgotten to do something about the vase of flowers in the middle of the room, which never, ever changes.

The room is clean, warm, quiet and (apart from the vile chairs) devoid of clutter. Ten years ago I would have thought it was too small, too clean, too dull.

Now I think it looks rather nice blush

CremolaFirCone Tue 17-Dec-13 14:19:18

Kevin have you not adopted a snow leopard with a Wonga payday loan yet?grin
Agree the ads would put you in a decline....

Santaspelvicfloor Tue 17-Dec-13 15:13:12

Shew yes it was me blush. Good news about the lymphodema

Ha ha Kevin. I watched a dire film the other day. Really dire but had to find out if the brave Dr cured the little boy and ran off into the sunset with little boys daddy. Cue much sickly music to set the scene. I had visions of records (yes ...records for the youngsters these are like large plastic cd roms but much more technical to use) labelled 'dramatic' 'romantic' 'sad' 'frightening' etc

Kevinsbowel Tue 17-Dec-13 15:35:49

Oh god, do I have to confess, I do actually really want a snow leopard now. They have such cute furry tails and big feet. blush

Payday loans are not good for my blood pressure. 3,500% interest rate, one of them was. I am ashamed I live somewhere where that is even legal.

greenfolder Tue 17-Dec-13 17:42:25

I have not yet bought a jml pedi egg despite adverts for it every 6 mins. Every time they show how easy it is to dispose of the shavings I think of parmesan cheese. I am addicted to being on my own in my house. In the quiet with my tablet and remote control.

Razzlefrazzle Tue 17-Dec-13 18:30:23

Thanks all. Santa how long post op are you? I have had 2 CS so I think my muscles have the same view as yours! It's the attractive fold of flesh peeking out of the leg of my depressingly sensible knickers that is doing my head in. waiting I suspect some of the problem could be chocolate/crisp/wine related but we need to be kind to ourselves don't we?Started doing some stretches but feeling really crampy now - would head for the sofa but DS's 3 and 5 need getting to bed. Must check out snow leopards, feel I'm missing out. Wonga loans, not so much.

thekingfisher Tue 17-Dec-13 18:59:37

omg snow leopards - their fate is the hands of a bunch of menopausal post op women - 'tis frightening!

CremolaFirCone Tue 17-Dec-13 21:51:53

I may have folded and adopted an orang-utan.
This is what menopausal women do isn't it? Adopt furry things and buy pot pourri. I have told my sister to shoot me if she catches me tearing up while watching Made In Chelsea.
Work don't want me back til 13th Januaryconfused. How many channel 5 afternoon Christmas weepy movies will I have seen by then.
And I'll be able to open my own animal sanctuary....

shewhowines Tue 17-Dec-13 22:12:33

Ooh I fancy a christmas weepy. better than judge Judy May have to check out channel 5.

CremolaFirCone Tue 17-Dec-13 22:17:49

Don't go there Shewho.shock Before you know it you'll have found 5+1 and honestly that'll be the end if your sanity and your afternoon.grin

Oddsocksrus Tue 17-Dec-13 22:41:58

Evening all
Just had a quick catch up through the thread, it does sound like we are all doing better this week.
Sorry for absence, I've been mind of avoiding H talk I suppose, the antibiotics made me feel awful and on top of that we've all had a sickness bug, it's just been great lol

But all better now and have managed a whole day without a nap, look at the time, this is like being a real person again!

thekingfisher Tue 17-Dec-13 22:59:14

Glad you are back and things looking up for you. I know what you mean about wanting to forget about the H a bit - but hope the anti b' s are nearly done
Overdone things today friend took ds and I to cinema with her 2 then we had some tea back at ours but now feel wiped out and am very tired tonight but am on Pinterest rather than going to sleep !

CremolaFirCone Tue 17-Dec-13 23:08:35

Odds hope you feel better! Nice to have you back!
King- the joys of Pinterest have indeed kept me sane this last while.
Have been gazing at Christmas food and winter sun destinations wistfullygrin

Kevinsbowel Wed 18-Dec-13 09:15:41

But, crem if you watch made in Chelsea you are already beyond help grin.

I am a morning TV girl. Afternoons I do other stuff, not entirely clear what, now you ask.

Who better than the coven to take care of a snow leopard? We are kind, we are feisty, we are used to pain, we have nothing else to do , we are perfect to care for a fluffy, lethal, endangered creature.

Back 12 jan envy my lot appear quite content to let me rock up on 6 jan which will be six weeks sick leave and a week xmas holiday, with no pre work interview malarkey, just, yeah, fine, Kev, wevs, see you then .

Off to boil my egg. Routine is so important.

Kevinsbowel Wed 18-Dec-13 09:16:34

Waves to odds, that's an Impressive time to be awake. Sorry you have all been ill, that is rubbish.

Waitingaround Wed 18-Dec-13 09:40:18

Hello again odds pleased your feeling a little bit perkier.
Well after being back at work for a whole 7 days I now have a couple of days holiday smile so can continue my addiction to the phone app pet rescue (fear it may be getting out of hand though...) but probably better than filling the house with snow leopards smile

Santaspelvicfloor Wed 18-Dec-13 12:52:43

Kevin. Have they agreed a phased return? You shouldn't be going back full time

I am ringing work to discuss my rtw this afternoon. I have offered to return early (at 4 weeks) because no one else does my job and work is piling up. It's stressful thinking of going back to face that. If I go back earlier I can at least make decisions, delegate the consequent work out and need only do minimal hours. Two half days? Apparently I'd need to use my annual leave to cover the days I won't work. Simple answer is that I just stay off sick then isn't it.

But then I go back the situation of returning to a mountain of work which will take me a long time to catch up and we have a big external assessment looming. Quite important and if I'm not on top of it it will reflect on me. However if I'm not there, It won't. What would you think hmm

Waitingaround Wed 18-Dec-13 16:00:42

Santas think you shouldn't go back, 4 weeks seems too soon and once your back it's hard to rest when you should.

Kevinsbowel Wed 18-Dec-13 20:07:40

I am not really worried. The only reason they haven't agreed a phased return is I haven't asked for one. What will happen in practice is I will go back in and they will say, "don't overdo it, go home if you get tired" and I will say "cheers, might do that for the first week" and it will all be fine. I'm in the management team myself so it's not as if anyone is likely to override me.

Kevinsbowel Wed 18-Dec-13 20:11:30

Santa, how did it go?

I am inclined towards the compromise myself. I postponed my surgery by a fortnight so I could get a big bit of work done and then leave others to implement it. Even though it meant one more period from hell and one more drop in iron levels, I'm glad I did. I am far more relaxed and everyone is more supportive because of it.

So in your shoes I would agree a phased return, say two mornings plus some work from home, after four weeks or so. I've found a big jump in my fitness now at four weeks. No more internal pain, no concerns about pulling on stuff, more stamina altogether.

greenfolder Wed 18-Dec-13 20:17:27

Can I claim a tired as deck day today? 3 weeks in and I swear I have felt worse today than last week. Walked smallest to school,10 mins each way and practically crawled into bed. Blimey back to work in 3 weeks hope this is a blip

greenfolder Wed 18-Dec-13 20:18:59

That should say the chuff do you turn auto correct off on a kindle

Santaspelvicfloor Wed 18-Dec-13 20:19:29

Interesting. He asked for a face to face meeting tomorrow. If they are at all unsympathetic or pressure me I shall stay away.

I've actually had quite a rubbish day today. My Christmas lunch yesterday has triggered the most awful bowel pain all night (didn't sleep) and all day. Mint tea, capsule, lactulose and glycerin sups and I have only just felt able to stop writhing

Santaspelvicfloor Wed 18-Dec-13 20:20:09

Green...yep I feel exactly the same about my day

Kevinsbowel Wed 18-Dec-13 20:21:58

Poor you green. Can't remember now if you were keyhole or normal surgery? I think there is a lot of investment early on, IYSWIM, especially if you are not keyhole. It's very tiring and it catches you in bursts.

But I am finding after four weeks that my energy is more consistent. I have managed two hours plus walking each day this week. Last week it was touch and go, some days it was Ok, others I chickened out.

You may be deficient in chocolate. I suggest you take immediate action as that would delay your recovery.

Kevinsbowel Wed 18-Dec-13 20:26:40

Sorry to hear that Kevin the Bowel is having a teen moment. Poor you. I am not surprised because what with surgery, stress and trying to do some socialising, the poor old system has had a hammering.

All I can say is seriously that this side of the four week divide feels quite different.

Return to work.... I think it's more likely that they are a bit concerned that you want to come back so early and although they are tempted, they want to have a paper trail in case it makes you ill again. D they have form for putting pressure on people?

As for using your holiday, bollocks, your GP can specify a phased return on the sick note and then that's what you get. Holiday my arse.

Santaspelvicfloor Wed 18-Dec-13 21:00:22

There are issues at work. Fairly complex ones. They need me back but ideally fighting fit physically and mentally. I don't think I will be either. I think their dilemma is probably should they have me back at all...but they need me.

I'm so tempted to just stay away and rest. Today has really been quite grim

Kevinsbowel Wed 18-Dec-13 21:26:08

I think you should seriously consider staying away and resting.

I know you are inclined to stoicism and so am I. Bt you have done more than I did at your stage, especially in the evenings. And you have very little help at home.

Nobody's physical or mental health is invulnerable, and it is not worth it to see by experiment how much you can bear. It's not worth risking a breakdown on either front. Especially if they are tempted to not have you back and you may need to look around. Six weeks off for hysterectomy- fine. Four weeks off followed by five weeks off later in the year because you fall apart- much less good on the old CV.

CremolaFirCone Wed 18-Dec-13 21:52:20

One big lump of sick leave is much better than bits and bobs. If I went back now and had to take time off sick again before April I will face a disciplinary. They count periods of absence in a 12 month period. I had shingles earlier this year and a chest infection at Easter. With this being my third period off its a red flag.
Tbh if youre genuinely ill there's fuck all they can do except give you a verbal warning. But it's the principle I hate.
Green rest. Kevin rest. Santa rest.
You know what I am shattered today after 3 hours out and about in the world doing a few messages. Shattered to the point of needing a lie down this afternoon.
God rest ye merry sofa-surfers.
Remember Cremolas rule: sitting is an activity.grin

Santaspelvicfloor Wed 18-Dec-13 21:58:32

I like that rule.

Isn't funny how your mood goes up and down without any particular reason. I was quite positive on Monday considering everything. Today I want to crawl in a hole and just sleeps forever.

I agree totally re the sick leave. Far better to roll this on now than return and have a less 'excusable' sickness absence.

I probably need chocolate That might cure everything

thekingfisher Wed 18-Dec-13 22:04:32

There must be something in the air I too am knackered today - planning a low activity day tomorrow with a small break for a facial at 3 ... Oh the stress

Btw drove today and was fine - in fact better than peeling the potatoes later !

CremolaFirCone Wed 18-Dec-13 22:14:43

King the only strain I feel with the driving is pulling up the handbrake.
Apart from that it's dandy.
The thing I find hardest is getting up from kneeling. ( lol) I mean from lighting the fire etc.grin

thekingfisher Wed 18-Dec-13 22:17:03

Yes I feel sort of cautious when using the handbrake like it <might> do a mischief but hasn't

shewhowines Wed 18-Dec-13 23:22:52

Just be careful. At 5 weeks I felt fine, then had a new dragging sensation that lasted a couple of weeks. I think how you feel, might not be actually indicative of how you really are. Take the full 6 - 8 weeks minimum.

I've just got in from the pub and I've had to edit this carefully. i'm not very good at typing after a skinful grin

Santaspelvicfloor Thu 19-Dec-13 07:31:46

Well done shew. Near perfect .

I have new pain the last couple of days. Quite sharp in the pelvic area as if whatever stitching to suspend bowel, bladder etc is being pulled. I spent most of yesterday in bed or on a sofa. I can't believe I physically overdid it

No driving here

thekingfisher Thu 19-Dec-13 08:23:36

I'm having a sofa day today all very burny feeling today and dragging feeling so going to chill ... Ds being a pain he's off to a sports day thing at school but procrastinating as he's tired ... I need him to give me some peace today

Luckily dh finishes for 2 weeks tomorrow soo someone to do some work around here ....

Oddsocksrus Thu 19-Dec-13 10:59:24

well I've learnt a good lesson!
I cannot do a full day yet! its dd's 4th birthday party today and I spent yesterday all day pretty much, standing cooking and decorating cake etc
by 7 I was literally howling in pain! When I came round from the op I had terrible bum pain - from my coxyx through to the perineum, it took 10mg of morphine that time to go away. it came back again last night, it was shocking.

I frightened the life out of dh, poor love didn't know what to do, but after a while he recovered enough to make jokes about piles.... love him fhmm
don't know what it is but the emergency stash of tramadol and dyclofenac came in handy. I'll be a bit of a space cadet today but perhaps that's not an entirely bad thing with 20 4 year olds screaming lol!

thekingfisher Thu 19-Dec-13 11:11:47

Ooh that sounds grim think all of us 3 weekers are having a grim few days x

Kevinsbowel Thu 19-Dec-13 11:17:15

Hmmm. Bum pain <strokes beard thoughtfully>. Does sound a bit unusual but then you had that thing with the amazing bursting stitches. I'd talk to your GP myself.

I have a headache but I think that was wine smile

shewhowines Thu 19-Dec-13 11:34:31

Oh god, oh god what have I done? 18 pages slagging off Peter Andre and I've just posted saying I like him. Am I still suffering the effects of last night? Am I mad? Will you all still talk to me?

shewhowines Thu 19-Dec-13 11:36:17

Sorry, hope the birthday party goes well today odds and don't overdo it, and make things even worse.

Happy birthday to odds dd

Kevinsbowel Thu 19-Dec-13 11:40:54

Who is Peter Andre?

shewhowines Thu 19-Dec-13 11:48:00

kevin you need to get off judge Judy and on to proper good tv grin

Santaspelvicfloor Thu 19-Dec-13 11:56:02

I feel like there is a small knife positioned in my perineum sometimes when I sit down. Bum pain also experienced here. Yours sounds far worse though Odds

Kevin and shew. Find a book before it's too late and your rationality is just wrecked forever !!

Kevinsbowel Thu 19-Dec-13 13:10:54

He he I didn't get my fix today as there was a six foot boy sleeping it off in the playroom. He has gone now.

I do read in the afternoons... And you can say one thing for judge judy, it stops me watching Jeremy Kyle.

shewhowines Thu 19-Dec-13 13:49:41

Saw a game in whsmith yesterday, where they give you real life court cases and you have to decide what you think the judge actually ruled. Perhaps you might like to add this to your christmas list kevin

Kevinsbowel Thu 19-Dec-13 13:53:05

Gawd no the fascination is in the people watching and in hearing JJ say all the things we are normally too embarrassed to say. Her judgements are not really why I watch it.

This will be the year I send proper Christmas cards with thoughtful personal messages and little letters in...possibly....

Kevinsbowel Thu 19-Dec-13 13:54:23

Can I say also spent yesterday afternoon listening to Ian bostridge singing die Schoene muellerin and it almost made me cry....

shewhowines Thu 19-Dec-13 14:07:28

It's no good trying to persuade us you are a high class chick. We know the truth grin

I get a slight pain when I wipe my bum and things sometimes pull.

<lowers the tone even further>

Kevinsbowel Thu 19-Dec-13 14:14:10


I am the elite I tell you....

CremolaFirCone Thu 19-Dec-13 14:21:10

Classical music, sore arses. This thread has got it all.
I am about to brave tesco. < shudder>

Kevinsbowel Thu 19-Dec-13 15:27:01

And snow leopards. You mustn't forget the snow leopards.

I have a whole drawer full now of medicines, including pills on a stick to put up the fanjo, blood pressure meds, oestrogen patches, machinery to strengthen my pelvic floor, headache meds....

I feel a nice Christmassy listen of the messiah coming on. The old Emma Kirkby / Christ church cathedral 1980s version, if anyone is interested.

going to Tescos <clutches mug of hot chocolate>. Internet shopping is our friend.

Santaspelvicfloor Thu 19-Dec-13 16:35:33

Sniggering here and have had to delete a 'lowering the tone' bit of over sharing

Oh holy night is my favourite carol.

I cannot bear any sort of untoward movement in the pelvic area so I had for breakfast: prunes and porridge followed by lactulose. For lunch: soup followed by some dates. For dinner: risotto, lactulose. For snacking grapes and more dates. Peppermint tea, capsules and cod liver oil are thrown in throughout the day... Drinking plenty. I feel like my granny who had a funny obsession with her bowels

Kevinsbowel Thu 19-Dec-13 16:41:08

Omg you should have seen some, ahem, progress by now. Are you sure they didn't bypass or relocate your bowel altogether? Prhaps it now leads somewhere new? There may be a HUGE pile of feacal matter somewhere in the nurses quarters with people leaning over it gong, "WTF did all those prunes come from?"

Christ church boys currently singing "all we, like sheep". Meeeeeeh.

Kevinsbowel Thu 19-Dec-13 16:42:37

Ps will play aled jones doing oh holy night in your honour.

I invested in a music server recently so I can play my entire collection at a swipe of an iPad, and it's been worth every penny. (Ok, maybe worth half what I paid, but I DONT CARE)

Waitingaround Thu 19-Dec-13 17:21:21

Aww I miss you guys- work is such an inconvenience to my other essential activities of sitting and mumsnetting (Stamps foot).

santas my HR suggested I have 8 weeks off, as said that if I came back to soon I was risking further ill health which would be frowned upon. crem I too have had 3 incidents of sick leave in the past year- flu, and the 2 episodes of surgery so am also facing a discussion.....

CremolaFirCone Thu 19-Dec-13 17:41:58

Its so unfair waiting . Bloody annoying .

Santa I am really worried about that diet. Are you really bunged up? Sounds extreme. shockFor the record nuts are tremendous in this regard.
Almost immediate effect for The Slow of Bowelgrin

Oddsocksrus Thu 19-Dec-13 18:42:04

santa really that much lactulose and dried fruit... Never mind motion you must be a methane powered rocket, stay away from naked flames for gods sake! fgrin

Santaspelvicfloor Thu 19-Dec-13 19:03:01

Ah progress is not an issue. It's been fine from day 1. It's just paranoia on my behalf because I imagine it would be like ripping my innards apart fenvy

Kevinsbowel Thu 19-Dec-13 20:31:59

I have just had a lovely hot bath to relax while my gullible supportive fall do the washing up. There were some spare treat sized crunchy bars left over from making up a Christmas present (I have filled a lovely biscuit tin with treats for DS2 to give ds1) and I can report that eating crunchy bars in the bath is really very sustaining and energising.

Santaspelvicfloor Thu 19-Dec-13 21:06:12

I have brain fog. Anyone else?

Santaspelvicfloor Thu 19-Dec-13 21:07:51

I'm not returning to work for 6 weeks. I sat and cried in my interview today. I think that told them all they needed to know

Twinkletights Thu 19-Dec-13 21:13:34

Hello ladies fsmile I have been lurking for a while and am so grateful to you all for posting about your roller coaster journeys with hysterectomies.

Am waiting for a laparoscopic partial hysterectomy early next year so am plonking myself down on the waiting sofa next to Jacks.

Hope that you are all resting up and healing well. Any advice for preparation would be much appreciated.

CremolaFirCone Thu 19-Dec-13 21:31:55

Oh Santa you poor thing. sad

Welcome Twinkle.!! And merry Christmas . Are you waiting for a date still? Or are you already scheduled in?

Twinkletights Thu 19-Dec-13 22:07:15

Thank you Cremola, no date yet I will need to speak to my consultants secretary.

Santa be kind to yourself and it is so much better not to rush back to work x

Santaspelvicfloor Thu 19-Dec-13 22:12:53

I hated being dateless. It's just nice to know and plan isn't it.

I have to go out tomorrow because I have a severe case of cabin fever and may have to watch judge Judy or something equally as shameful

Kevinsbowel Fri 20-Dec-13 09:04:43

Awwww to Santa. Glad they have been supportive. It will mean a bit of a rest after Christmas which will be good.

I think the stabby pain in the perineum must be the wound from your cervix coming out, likewise the feeling of ligaments not holding it together. I think that would settle down soon.

Welcome to twinkle. I had the same I think. Keyhole is the way to go, no question.

You are all very mean about judge judy. You know how challenging bad behaviour can make people rebel and just behave worse? Well, I am now sorely tempered to switch channels to Jeremy Kyle.

Kevinsbowel Fri 20-Dec-13 09:05:52

Tempted not tempered smile

Kevinsbowel Fri 20-Dec-13 09:09:09

Twinkletoes- Preparation- I would make sure that neither home nor work expect you to do anything for six weeks. Do you have small children at home during the day?

Physically I wish I had lost my extra stone before the OP rather than leaving it till afterwards and adding to it as wounds heal better if they are not buried in spare tyres blush but can't think of anything else.

greenfolder Fri 20-Dec-13 09:16:13

Good God I really have hit the wall this week, the whole area has started aching again although bruising on stomach looking less awful. Have whacked self clean oven on warp factor 8 and left Windows open downstairs as my contribution to housework. Hope no one calls the fire brigade

Waitingaround Fri 20-Dec-13 10:45:04

twinkletoes totally agree with getting as fit as possible before the op- as this will allow lots of guilt free gorging on chocs etc aftersmile I'm good at coping with guilt though...
green how many weeks are you?

I'm currently sat doing 'admin' at work grin

greenfolder Fri 20-Dec-13 11:29:00

3 weeks, think I've pulled something near my belly button! Now contemplating how to pick youngest up from school. Think up to this point I have felt so much better than I expected but have plateaued and now feeling achy and a bit flat. Am distracting myself with blue bloods

shewhowines Fri 20-Dec-13 11:49:56

Yes I made great progress in the first 2/3 weeks then it slowed down big time.

I went to buy oven cleaner yesterday. Reading the instructions this morning, it says do not use on self cleaning ovens. I think mine might be, so i've only done the door. I'm on the 3rd attempt so far fblush I find the chemicals scary thats my excuse for not doing it very often I'm an oven slattern but am hosting christmas lunch so have been embarrassed into it. Got to find the instructions to see if it is self clean. We've had it 2 years so obviously it's never been cleaned before

Even more scary is that I'm not used to doing xmas lunch and my in laws are all foodies. Help! I can cook, but oh the pressure...

shewhowines Fri 20-Dec-13 12:00:55

Just wiped the 3rd lot of stuff off and its still not completely clean in one corner. Oh well I'm not doing it any more must not let it get that bad again

Can I just say the rest of my house is clean fblush

Kevinsbowel Fri 20-Dec-13 12:42:24

I have used surgery as an excuse to cut right back on christmàs lunch. How on earth did you get lumbered with that?

Instructions will be online if you have lost them. Usually, manufactures webiste, customer service and search by model. I clean my oven much less often than every two years but perhaps I ought to consider it.

Have finally braved the sumatriptan for my headaches and I have to say it does work but I feel a bit woooo. Not opiate wooooo, different wooooo.

Last day of peace, sob, from today I have all the family home and then it is back to work on the 6th. A lovely walk round the park though with all the birdies tweeting and flowers emerging from the ground, snowdrops, that lovely very smelly white flower on a bush, birckwood or whatever it's called.

Now hey for town and consumer madness as I overcompensate and buy my loved ones too much tat.

CremolaFirCone Fri 20-Dec-13 12:44:36

I have just opened the door off dds slum room . Omfg. It is a sty. She swanned off this morning to'get her hair done' if you don't mind( she's 18btw) time for a rocket and a dyson. And probably disinfectantconfused

We are hosting dh's family for Xmas eve mince pies etc. I am shAttered thinking about it.
Green hope you're feeling a little better soon. There was a dip at 4-5 weeks afair. Felt like things were never going to get better. But they will, they will.

shewhowines Fri 20-Dec-13 12:56:13

I can't use the surgery excuse anymore. I'm as fit as a fiddle fsad fgrin It really is my turn though. I've only ever cooked two before in my life and that was pre dc with only a few of us. <panics even more>

Christmas officially starts tonight. DH finishes work, kids finish school. I'm on a christmas "sleepover" with friends from when I went to secondary school 35 years ago ahem and we've got friends a christmas visiting tomorrow night. <I'll save the battle of the kids rooms till then> I do love Christmas though, commercialism and all.

Off to fill the tills of Tesco now.

Kevinsbowel Fri 20-Dec-13 16:22:55

We lost the Hoover the other day. Looked everywhere for it. It was in DDs bedroom, where she had decided to clean up and vacuum.

It literally never occurred to me to look there.....

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 20-Dec-13 16:41:52

I couldn't post earlier. There were too many comments about making progress well until 3/4 weeks and then slowing down. I made progress until 7 days then it all stopped. Struggling to imagine regaining full health ever right now

I have been reading the thread from OP who's MiL wishes her to insert a suppository for her and nearly bust my stitches reading the responses. The best was to do it with Sellotape and a long umbrella from a different room.

I have a new oven and am pretty sure it is self cleaning. They all are aren't they don't anyone DARE to tell me otherwise

My DDs are home for Christmas and exDP or current DP (who bloody knows!!!) is coming with his DC so full house and I may take a lot of long naps.... I just hope all goes well and my DDs are ok.

shewhowines Fri 20-Dec-13 17:01:55

Oh santa it's still early days for you. I feel perfectly normal now. It will be fine in a few weeks. Scouts honour fgrin

I'd rather do the suppository thing than have the afternoon I've had.
A bit of advice. Don't put bottles of fizzy drink on your back seat fsad

It rolled off in Tesco car park and sprang a high pressure leak! It's sprayed the ceiling of the car, the car seats, the footwell, the back window, even some on the front window. I got it out of the car, still spraying, and it proceeded to spray the outside of the car. It covered from one side of the roof to the other!
The local car wash place didn't have time to sort it out so I spent over an hour trying to clean it, fused all the plugs trying to dry it with a hair dryer and to top it all, the cleaner I borrowed from a neighbour has made it smell like wet dog! A suppository for the mil sounds lovely by comparison fsad

I think I pulled my groin a bit, opening and closing the heavy garage door too!

Oh well. Onwards and upwards, as they say...

Kevinsbowel Fri 20-Dec-13 17:06:29

I think that you made excellent progress, Santa, but then you lost a week because you got sabotaged by the ex/d P thing , both emotionally and by losing all your support. So we cancel that last week in recovery terms. You are well on track. I found a watershed after four weeks, but before that, I spent the majority of the time on the sofa doing sod all.

Good of you to have the full house at Xmas. Make sure someone else does all the bloody work, though.

Kevinsbowel Fri 20-Dec-13 17:07:31

Where is the suppository thread????? I live in fear of having to do my MILs catheter bag..

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 20-Dec-13 17:29:23
Santaspelvicfloor Fri 20-Dec-13 17:31:11

Oh shew! I remember doing similar with 6 pints of milk in the boot of the car on Christmas EVe. No one could help clean it and boy did it go off...

Kevinsbowel Fri 20-Dec-13 17:37:05

Amazeballs..... I love the game of put the suppository up grandma

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 20-Dec-13 17:42:56

Pin the tail on the donkey...a version of

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 20-Dec-13 17:43:14

Best played blindfold or not?

Kevinsbowel Fri 20-Dec-13 17:46:58

Blindfold would involve groping around trying to find the right spot...

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 20-Dec-13 18:04:21

Stop!!!!! I will have nightmares about old lady buttocks and anal sphincters tonight

Let's talk about.... Well anything really fgrin

(I'm actually starting to think that thread was a fake anyway)

Kevinsbowel Fri 20-Dec-13 18:32:42

Certainly the OP has disappeared...but she may just have run away.

Been trying to buy a cookery book for DS2 who is fairly profoundly disabled but needs to learn to cook the basics. Age 17 but f cations around age 2 to 5 depending.

All kids cookery books are stuffed with sweet recipes. At least half are smoothies and sodding cupcakes. If I never see anther cupcake again... Interesting how the sweet tooth is being encouraged everywhere you go. The assumption is tha t engage a kid you must have sugar in the recipe.

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 20-Dec-13 18:37:35

Totally agree Kevin!! My DD asks if she can cook every single night at the moment and it's because she's realised it produces sugary treats which then get to be eaten and a supply beyond what we need

Kevinsbowel Fri 20-Dec-13 18:54:03

I am soooo hungry.

DS2 did cooking at school with the Jamie Oliver scheme, it was excellent and he got a BTEC level 1. All the evidence section is photos of him gurning into the camera while shopping, stirring etc and actually it is a really cute record of how he is.

Twinkletights Fri 20-Dec-13 19:10:06

Thank you for the welcome fsmile Kevin I have 4 DC but they are all at school.

Hmm loosing weight before mid jan might not happen with all of the Xmas chocs and wine that is around but I will try! BMI is at the top of the normal rang at 25 but it would be good to get it a bit lower if I can.

She that sound like a very trying day.

Santa my DCs favourite cookbook is by DK and called The Ultimate Children's Cookbook which has a good balance of savoury and sweet with clear I instructions and pictures. Sorry cant link on phone.

Waitingaround Fri 20-Dec-13 19:55:35

We have the ultimate cook book here too, I was just about to suggest it.
santas at 3 weeks I was a total mess, but now at 10 weeks I was able tonight to push a trolley full of alcohol around sainsburys and safely transport it home smile! You will feel better!! Just be kind to yourself (that goes for all of you too).
Strangely the idea of giving old ladies (or my MIL) suppositories doesn't worry me at all, but I have worked for the NHS for over 20 years (not a nurse).

Waitingaround Fri 20-Dec-13 19:56:24

And she sorry but your disasters has made me laugh grin

greenfolder Fri 20-Dec-13 20:49:10

Finding a cookery book sounds like a hard thing to do. Friend has a son who is 16 with autism. She did a folder where she did each recipe-photographed each bit of their kit needed eg their measuring jug, slotted spoon etc and then took pictures of how to do it. She started with pasta and sauce and bungs an extra one in when she thinks of it.

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 20-Dec-13 22:42:29

Can I ask when everyone else's bleeding stopped. Mine shows no sign of stopping whatsoever.

CremolaFirCone Fri 20-Dec-13 23:25:47

Santa I didn't have much bleed at all.
Hmm I get that checked tbh.

Can I recommend the Sam Stern recipe book for teens. Written by a teenager for teenagers. V good indeed.

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 20-Dec-13 23:29:36

Mine started a week ago and shows no sign of stopping. I've been ignoring until it struck me tonight that it's not getting better. I'm on antibiotics and an internal last Sunday for same issue looked fine. I'm trying to be reassured so nice reassuring stories would help

Santaspelvicfloor Fri 20-Dec-13 23:31:10

I've googled. It could take six weeks to settle fconfused

CremolaFirCone Fri 20-Dec-13 23:32:12

Sorryconfused Santa

Santaspelvicfloor Sat 21-Dec-13 07:52:50

I feel slightly better to know it's not abnormal.

What are everyone's plans for today? I mainly have a date with the bed. This evening I'm going to a Strictly party where we all score and argue over who should win. A lovely friend is driving out of her way to collect me and my DC and take me there and then the same in reverse. She could walk and have a drink if it wasn't for me.

Twinkletights Sat 21-Dec-13 08:06:42

That sounds lovely Santa hope that you have a lovely day.

DH is taking the DC out for the day so that I can tackle the wrapping. Going to wrap like an elf whilst watching Love Actually.

Also looking forward to the Strictly final. Then just two more days at work then I can relax for 2 weeks.

Santa I have previously had surgery for anterior and posterior prolapse and although I recovered very well I felt so vulnerable and worried about everything. An unMN hug from me x

Oddsocksrus Sat 21-Dec-13 08:14:53

Kevin there are sets of Osbourne books cooking cards in boxes, one of them is the basics from egg and soldiers for breakfast through to roast chicken.
they are wipe clean and colourful, there are a few making faces on pizza type recipes but generally they are very good.

santa I am 5 weeks on Monday and the bleeding has only just started to tail off really, it was very bad during the infection, this was put down to clearing internal bleeding but I was entirely convinced by that as it looked like fresh blood not old iyswim

Oddsocksrus Sat 21-Dec-13 08:48:52

twinkle how long were you not allowed to drive for post rectocele?
A friend of mine has just had her repair but hasn't been told anything about not driving.. surely she must wait a while???

Santaspelvicfloor Sat 21-Dec-13 08:53:20

You lot are lovely. You're making this all so much easier for me fsmile

Twinkletights Sat 21-Dec-13 09:05:53

Odd socks I was told 2-4 weeks but others were told 6 weeks. There is guidance on the rcog website in the recovering well leaflets that state what you need to be able to do to drive safely like turning around in your seat and emergency breaking etc.
Is this the same for post laparoscopic hysterectomies?

CremolaFirCone Sat 21-Dec-13 13:02:20

Appalling Christmas movie alert
BBC 2 NOW.fgrin

Waitingaround Sat 21-Dec-13 13:49:15

Yes twinkle it is.

Kevinsbowel Sat 21-Dec-13 13:58:52

Crem, I couldn't bring myself to watch that, having just looked at the review online. Can you imagine spending six months of your life filming that?

Driving, no idea. Five weeks today (at 8.30 pm) and I would happily drive except I CBA.

Santa, there seems to be a massive range of "normal". When I left hospital they told me to ring if I was worried so I asked them what "worried" looked like- what should I ignore and what report? And the surgeon said, really, only if you start a temperature and get the shakes, "but you are past the danger stage now" which was at three days in.

I think a lot of random stuff happens but it's mostly trivial, medically speaking.

CremolaFirCone Sat 21-Dec-13 14:21:38

It's beyond dreadful Kevin !
It's like vomiting a bag of sugar.
Perfect! I am wrapping dds stocking things in front of fire. With one eye on this shite.

Kevinsbowel Sat 21-Dec-13 14:35:21

I am on the sofa. We have agreed to convene at 4.30 for hot fruit scones and a board game in front of an open fire. This is because everyone is too tired after dinner. I currently go to bed around five hours earlier than DS1, which actually suits him fine.

DH has just pointed out that after 23 Christmases together he really does feel he has got the hang of this Christmas dinner malarkey and there is no rational reason at all why he can't cook it just as well as I can.

SantasPelvicFloor Sat 21-Dec-13 22:45:46

Has he ever done it Kevin? Because just observation of 23 would seem a little passive???although educational

I slept all morning, pottered for a couple of hours, partied (slumped on a sofa with people bring me food and drinks) and am back in bed!

CremolaFirCone Sun 22-Dec-13 00:53:44

Aaaargh can't sleep

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 22-Dec-13 07:59:42

Why not Crem? Pain, boredom, busy mind? I did quite well last night. Previous night was awful so I imagine I jet needed it.

Kevinsbowel Sun 22-Dec-13 08:52:26

Poor you both. I think there's a lovely initial stage where you are so tired you sleep for hours, and then that changes a bit. I am sleeping normally now but there was a phase where I wasn't doing enough to get tired. Because I couldn't. I went for little daytime naps and sudoku at night.

Christmas dinner- well the truth is that I only do it to get away from my MIL and she's not coming this year grin. And I have dumbed it down with a turkey crown and frozen roast potatoes. He does the cooking normally, it is a bit daft for me to make a big thing of doing this one meal.

RhondaJean Sun 22-Dec-13 20:00:27

Hi everyone you were all so lovely to me on the last thread hope you don't mind me popping back and hope you are all well on the way to recovery.

My lovely friend had her op Tuesday morning by laparoscopic surgery
. She's in a lot of pain, she can barely walk ten yards without being in severe pain, and I just wondered if that is still normal. I only have a c section to compare to and after a couple of days I was totally fine, minimal pain and no medication, I know it's not Thr same but she is very prone to infections and I'm a bit worried and I thought you guys could advise.

She's more worried about DVt as she can't move very far at all, which is another concern.

CremolaFirCone Sun 22-Dec-13 20:56:57

Hi Rhonda
Pain to be expected- major abdominal surgery - but she should be getting relief from that. I'd say she needs to ask for something stronger than what she's on.
As for dvt the stockings will help as will toe wiggling and knee rotations. She should have seen a physio for help with this. If not get her to ask.
Walking is a staggering shuffle for quite a long time. I wasn't doing proper upright walking until week 6 or 7.
Remember that sitting is an activity.grin
Rest is número uno. Followed by dealing with dodgy bowels.
Followed by more rest.

Kevinsbowel Sun 22-Dec-13 21:22:27

Hi Rhondda

That much pain sounds a bit odd. I had the same procedure ending at 8.30 pm and I was walking for 20 minutes at a time by 10 am next day with only very trivial pain. One week out I was able to walk perfectly well. Never used the morphia at all (apart from my migraine, long story...). I think someone should take a look. Does she generally bear pain quite well?

Kevinsbowel Sun 22-Dec-13 21:24:35

And I was walking normally by week 1 and by week 2 was doing an hour a day round the park, by week three it was two hours a day. At my four week checkup I was totally normal, no pain, just a bit of trivial aching inside where stuff was still healing.

Crem, did you have keyhole too? If you had full incisions, maybe that's the difference?

RhondaJean Sun 22-Dec-13 21:27:30

She isn't bad with pain she has a huge amount of medical issues, one is to do with her bowels and when I picked her up to go to the chemist yesterday to see about medication for her oral thrush she has developed she told me she hadn't been to the loo for a week. I had read on he about glycerin suppositories so the chemist gave her some of those too and they seemed to work as expected.

She was squeaking with pain every bump in the road yesterday and I drive quite smoothly and carefully. She is supposed to be going on an hours drive to visit her mil for her birthday tomorrow but I can't see that happening.

CremolaFirCone Sun 22-Dec-13 22:04:30

Kevin - no I had total abdominal with 6 inch vertical incision.
I imagine it is different if no frontal scar. Also I had the dehiscence to deal with. And the mrsa. And the arse husband .
In no way is it comparative .

shewhowines Sun 22-Dec-13 22:04:39

I think she should be able to shuffle, relatively pain free, for 5mins or so. I think she ought to get checked out, especially as she needs to be sorted before the staff shortage christmas period.

shewhowines Sun 22-Dec-13 22:07:43

I had 6inch vertical scar too and I was walking shuffling up and down the ward 36hours later. It wasn't particularly painful. I could have gone further but didn't want to overdo it.

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 22-Dec-13 22:12:00

That is almost certainly bowel related. I think she needs to be seen because the bowel is going to affect the wind knitting and it must be mega distended by now. Poor woman

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 22-Dec-13 22:12:19

Wound not wind

Kevinsbowel Sun 22-Dec-13 22:13:43

Sounds bowel related to me too. We keyhole girls didn't get that kind of pain from the incisions- am I right, Santa?

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 22-Dec-13 22:15:19

She probably needs daily lactulose and glycerin sups for a few days until she feels comfortable

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 22-Dec-13 22:17:19

My main pain has been bowel. I can't tolerate large meals and am aware of the food moving through the whole bowel. It seems sore which sounds odd but that's exactly what it feels like.

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 22-Dec-13 22:18:33

I've had that shooting pain through vaginal vault and perineum but brief and nothing like Rhonda describes

Kevinsbowel Mon 23-Dec-13 08:21:18

The bowel has certainly been a Thing. Rhonda- we all had bowels behaving like Kevin the Teenager- hence my username for this.

I don't remember any movement for the first week but I wasn't dealing with any pre existing problems. Personally I didn't bother with movicol and just had a lot of baked fruit.

Kevinsbowel Mon 23-Dec-13 08:21:43

Santa- how about you? How are you feeling today?

SantasPelvicFloor Mon 23-Dec-13 08:42:06

Better <tentative>

I'm so torn between doing very little and doing more. The doing very little seems so passive. I can't believe it's doing me any good

Kevinsbowel Mon 23-Dec-13 08:50:47

It's hard for us normally busy people to appreciate the role of rest in healing. I think that we tend to focus on the getting active side.

You are just past two weeks? I think at that stage I was content with one longish walk a day, and otherwise I did sod all. And you are behind as you had the week from hell.

SantasPelvicFloor Mon 23-Dec-13 08:52:41

Define longish smile

SantasPelvicFloor Mon 23-Dec-13 08:53:46

I don't think I've done a mile yet. Longish is 10 miles for me. Middling is 5 and short is < 3

SantasPelvicFloor Mon 23-Dec-13 08:54:25

But currently 500yds shuffled = a walk

Kevinsbowel Mon 23-Dec-13 09:03:07

Longish in this context is once round the park which I guess is about a mile all in. I agree, it's not what either of us would call a long walk normally!

But that sounds about right. First time I went round the park, I had to sit down on the benches every so often and it took me an hour. But yesterday I yomped round it in 30 minutes so I had to go round again smile.

Really, it will come with a nice mix of 20 minute exertion and 2 hour rests....

Is the shuffling the bowel or the perineum? I didn't lose the cervix, so you have an extra wound there.

SantasPelvicFloor Mon 23-Dec-13 12:06:23

That sounds brilliant Kevin. Gives me hope. Not bowel or perineum. I get pulling pain at waist level and just know I need to lie down. It is just my innards needing to knit together so they don't all follow gravity.

Today I do feel slight improvement tbh

Weather utterly dire so I've braved the supermarket as my treat hmm

Kevinsbowel Mon 23-Dec-13 12:20:40

That's right, the muscles as I'm sure you know heal by being stressed and then recovering. So the pulling is all part of it, and so is the resting. You really will find that it slowly comes together, and then one day, you jump over the hump and instead of being basically poorly with good bits, you are basically well with poorly bits. And then the poorly bits get shorter.

Have been for a walk, huge wind but not much rain, actually rather satisfying.

Kevinsbowel Mon 23-Dec-13 12:23:04

I do remember at your stage there was a really weird feeling, as if the organs were settling down into new places. As the internal swelling went down, they were following it, like a barge settling onto silt as the lock gates are opened.

SantasPelvicFloor Mon 23-Dec-13 16:32:01

Lol!!!! Excellent description

I've been for an afternoon nap. Weather is so vile I'm accepting a life of nothing easily today

shewhowines Tue 24-Dec-13 14:48:06

Just popping in to wish everyone a lovely (and restful) christmas.

DH has dragged reluctant kids to church with mil. I've just prepared the veg for tomorrow, need to get the kids presents into somewhere accessible for tonight, then i'm ready for the rest of outlaws to descend in a couple of hours time. I'm about ready to hit the festive wine too. Is it too early now?

Merry christmas everyone fgrin

CremolaFirCone Tue 24-Dec-13 15:08:41

Merry Christmas Shewhowines.
Ngrinver to early for wine.
Merry Christmas
And anyone else I may have forgotten ( my brain is mincemeat today )

Waitingaround Tue 24-Dec-13 16:57:30

Merry Christmas!

Twinkletights Tue 24-Dec-13 17:36:22

Merry Christmas fgrin x

CremolaFirCone Tue 24-Dec-13 17:51:13

Oh waiting and twinkle! Happy Christmas .
Here's to a New Year with no vile periods. Yeh!

Kevinsbowel Tue 24-Dec-13 18:03:24

Happy Christmas, may your bowels be constructive and your children helpful.

Twinkletights Tue 24-Dec-13 18:07:51

I can't wait for no more periods, got one from hell here at the moment so roll on the new year!

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 24-Dec-13 20:32:51

Lol at Kevin's greeting

Have a lovely Christmas you lot -you've helped me stay sane in the couple of weeks.

The good news is that I feel better!!!!! (Slightly). Progress smile

Kevinsbowel Thu 26-Dec-13 16:59:41

Well I can't say that Christmas dinner was as nice as usual but it was tons less work. The turkey crown came with cooking instructions and like a loon, I believed them, so it was ever so slightly underdone. Even with last minute zapping, I didn't trust it, so when I woke up with my usual night sweat and slight wind, I naturally assumed I had given the whole family salmonella smile

And frozen roast potatoes were just like the ones you get with pub roasts, I thought they would be better than that.

Now quiet as DH has taken the older DC to visit their other grandmother and I am here with DS2. He got very overwrought yesterday so needs a quiet day. A making turkey stew with dumplings. Some interfering toad helpful family member has thrown away my pack of vegetable suet which definitely had a bit left in it, so I am trying to make them with cookeen, this could be unpleasant.

Quite stressful trying to keep a parking space for my mother. The church next door doesn't care if their congregation parks in residents spaces - there are visitor spaces too but they involve walking maybe ten yards further- so we had to put out two chairs with a big notice "reserved for grandma at no 3". And even then, some of the fuckers tried to park there.

SantasPelvicFloor Thu 26-Dec-13 17:12:00

Christmas salmonella is traditional Kevin. It's the early start to the NY diet...

My mum isn't very well. I can't work out if it's just a cold or whether her dementia is getting worse. She and Dad did not come to Christmas lunch because of the 'cold' and not wanting to give it to me but I have a sneaky feeling that mum just doesn't cope with leaving the house earlier than 3pm nowadays. The kids telephoned and asked if they could skype with them and the resulting conversation left my adult daughter worrying. Dad seemed distracted and mum was confused and they couldn't understand or cope so she gave up and agreed to talk another day.

Other than that Christmas has been lovely and I'm really starting to feel so much better. The bowel pain which seemed to be an inevitable daily event has gone almost completely. I took a pill meant for IBS (anti spasmodic) during Christmas lunch as I was struggling with pain and it just went....

Is it worth talking to the vicar Kevin?

Kevinsbowel Thu 26-Dec-13 18:25:32

Ah, the vicar.

It's a complex situation. The church is shared by two denominations, used to be three but they had a schism, not kidding. We did have some conversation as part of a planning discussion a few years back. While they were trying to get the planning authorities to agree to a bigger church, they promised all sorts, but they have never delivered on any of it. Luckily for us, when the schism happened, the ones with all the money were the ones who left. They wanted to build a huge fuck-off basilica right next door to us.

Bt the priest said, in an unguarded moment, "it's only Sundays" . Which as I pointed out, wasn't even true, people come all week. But on Sundays it might be nice if I could go out and be able to come home again and be able to park. Especially with these two disabled DC and all. I'm afraid it's the kind of church that only rates people who go to their church. They nick roses from the front garden if they have a wedding, too.

Kevinsbowel Thu 26-Dec-13 18:28:15

Sorry to hear about your mother, though. And I agree, it is scary for the DC to watch GP declining. Mine don't remember my dad dying, but they do remember my FIL who had Parkinson's for a few years. They did adapt to the new reality surprisingly quickly.

Excellent to hear that the bowel is settling down. It makes so much difference once it does that.

NY diet, hmm, I could do with a kick start....< contemplates putting some dodgy turkey on the radiator to warm up nicely>

thekingfisher Thu 26-Dec-13 22:59:05

Happy Boxing Day all ! Have been off line for a couple of days partly as feeling shocking ... And partly due to people being here and not lounging around so much!

Had a great day in London on Monda and was prepared for having a quiet Xmas eve to compensate however with terrible weather slept for at most an hour on mon !
Then power went out at 3 am and don't come back on until late afternoon we were predicting disaster - we were out for dinner Xmas eve but Xmas day woke up feeling awful with horrible sort of pulled muscle feeling all down lhs of tummy into groin and can only think I pulled something whilst tossing and turning on mon night. Felt better today scar lumpy in that region so now not sure if it's part of healing, I've pulled it or I've been over doing things ( probably) also now got light pinkish discharge for last couple of days .

However I have taken it easy and not done too much physically and. Tomorrow off to coast (in gales) for new year with lots of other friends so looking forward to some really nice social stuff . Hope you are all ok tonight in wind / rain etc

Twinkletights Sat 28-Dec-13 17:31:55

Hope that you have all had a lovely Christmas and have managed to get some rest between the festivities.
Also hope that none of you have been affected by the terrible weather and powercuts.

Having a bit of a wobble here about having the surgery but keep telling myself that it will be worth it and that the end is in sight.

SantasPelvicFloor Sat 28-Dec-13 18:10:33

I'm 3 weeks in and all of a sudden feel soooooooo much better. I'm walking instead of shuffling, planning to extend my walks, not sleeping in the daytime (2 days now grin ) and have no abdo pain.

Kingfisher your Christmas sounds stressful. Hope you get a chance to rest up a bit.

Twinkle you will be so relieved when it's over and you're making your recovery

Kevinsbowel Sat 28-Dec-13 20:27:20

Hooray Santa you have made it past the hump!

Twinkle, It is exactly six weeks since I got back to the ward after surgery. I have apparently made an excellent recovery which is nice to know. And six weeks off work has been amazing.

For me, before the OP I was ill. So ill I could barely function.

After the OP, I was basically well, with some holes in my torso that needed to heal. I don't regret it at all. I still keep expecting to wake up and find I have to have another "horrific" period. Never again!<does little dance>.

Twinkletights Sun 29-Dec-13 16:10:36

Thank you Santa and Kevin for your positive and reassuring words. It helps so much to know that others have experienced this and can share the good and bad times. I am under 40 and do not know anyone in RL that has been through any of this.

Still waiting for a date but have been advised that it will be early in the new year. I think it will help once I have that so that I can make plans.

Is there anything that any of you recommend that I should get for hospital and recovery?

I am already addicted to candy crush thanks to this thread fgrin

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 29-Dec-13 16:44:09

Lactulose, mint tea, mint oil capsules, glycerin suppositories... I swear I have never been 'at the mercy of my bowels' but post op nearly all my pain was bowel related. I believe the handling of the gut bruises and sensitises it (???) Every time I ate it felt like sandpaper was being rubbed over my insides. Becoming constipated would be pretty bad because the internal stitching etc is so closely related to the rectum. Sorry...not very naice to talk about but I'm sure my pain was reduced by tackling it proactively.

Twinkletights Sun 29-Dec-13 17:48:25

Thank you Santa I will add peppermint capsules to my shopping list.
The bowel troubles were not pleasant after the rectocele repair but that sounds even worse <gulps>

RhondaJean Sun 29-Dec-13 17:52:54

Hi everyone and a slightly belated happy Christmas, I hope you all had a lovely time and are on your way to feeling better.

Well as predicted friend has an infection, she was at the doc on Friday who said it was a bladder infection and gave her antibiotics, however her belly button is hot, red and leaking pus now and her stomach is swollen again, just waiting to hear what nhs 24 say and whether I'm needed to give her a lift somewhere. Poor thing has no luck at all with this sort of stuff, strangely she's also one of the cleanest people (both personally and house) that I have ever known.

RhondaJean Sun 29-Dec-13 17:55:32

Her belly button wound that is, not her actual belly button leaking pus, that would be odd!

Twinkletights Sun 29-Dec-13 18:00:25

Rhondajean so sorry to hear that your friend is not recovering well. Bladder infections make you feel really grotty.

You sound like a lovely and supportive friend for her thanks for you too.

Hope that she gets some help soon

RhondaJean Sun 29-Dec-13 18:14:55

She's got a 6.45 appointment but her boyfriend is able to take her so I'm just manning the phone.

Twinkle I see you haven't had your op yet, this isn't normal, my friend is really really prone to infections and I could have put money on this happening all along, I don't think it's that common a thing.

Kevinsbowel Sun 29-Dec-13 18:18:56

Awww poor Rhondas friend. Bad luck to get an infection. Lets hope it clears up soon. If she already has health issues, that is going to slow her recovery, I'm afraid.

Twinkle, the bowel certainly sulks and hates to be handled. It can't hurt to do as Santa says. That said, I didn't bother with any of it, I didn't even take the movicol once I got home. I did eat a lot of baked fruit though- apples and plums. It takes about a week before anything obliges, and there was a bit of colicky pain, but I didn't get as much pain as Santa has had.

I would get in- a pile of good books and some cosy PJs. I have an old charity shop cashmere blanket for my knees- I find it too depressing to heat the whole house during the day just for me. Also, something you can wear which doesn't pull on your waistline and knicker line. A stretchy jersey empire line dress was my friend. You may not fancy your jeans for a bit!

Kevinsbowel Sun 29-Dec-13 18:21:24

The other thing I did was make a batch of chicken soup, with garlic, ginger and leeks. Froze it in lunch sized batches. Perfect pick me up food for the sofa!

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 29-Dec-13 18:24:31

Today is the first day I've worn jeans all day and been comfortable. Until now I've felt better in leggings/pyjamas or jogging bottoms <<<none of which I normally wear.

Rhonda that sounds very miserable for your friend. I hope she gets sorted out

Twinkletights Sun 29-Dec-13 18:38:21

That sounds like fantastic progress Santa! I still live in dresses since the prolapse repairs and find jeans too uncomfortable.

Kevin I like the sound of cosy pj's and good books both of which I have stocked up on over Xmas.

Frozen lunch portions is also a great idea. I make and freeze soup portions for DH who works/lives away during the week so will make sure that I stock up for me too.

Hope the appointment goes well for your friend Rhondajean.

I have ordered a load of Hotel Chocolat because that will help with the recovery process won't it? fwink

CremolaFirCone Sun 29-Dec-13 20:24:02

Rhonda . I'm so sorry about your friend. It sounds depressingly similar to my experience. The wound getting infected and being pus filled. Some fluid leakage. Hard red and hot swelling and so on. They will most likely take a swab of the ooze to test whether it is staph strep or mrsa.
And she'll be given antibiotics accordingly. The one that worked for me was amoxicillin . I also had amoxiclav flucloxacillan penicillin VK
And an iv of some potion for a day.
She will be feeling wretched and tearful no doubt. No hugs or kisses for the time being. My wound finally cleared up using silver dressings and manuka honey - which might make a good gift. ( priceyshock tho)
The best healer is time and being permitted complete unstressed rest.

Just for fun I've now got shingles.
Completely run down I think, and dd driving stress related situations to maximum drama. sad ah teenagers!

RhondaJean Sun 29-Dec-13 20:30:35

Thanks creamola I think I will see if I can find manuka honey at a reasonable price.

She's been given a prescription for two types of strong antibiotics but she's missed the pharmacist so I will collect them first thing tomorrow for her. If no improvement by Wednesday she will be readmitted. The nurse told her its a good thing that the ous is coming out?

I think she now has three types of antibiotics to take three times a day. That's going to wreak havoc with her as well isn't it? sad

RhondaJean Sun 29-Dec-13 20:31:40

Oh and she has a teenager too creamola! Really hope your shingles improves fast, a bath with oatmeal in is supposed to really help with the pain from the rash.

Kevinsbowel Sun 29-Dec-13 20:31:54

Hotel chocolat is indeed key. I have just been eating their Florentines. I also found bubble bah very good. But I had glue and not dressings. If you get the choice, I would go with glue. (Dermabond)

Cremona, no!!!! Shingles, you poor thing. I can't remember - didn't you go back to work? Perhaps it was too much. I am due back in a week and I am in denial. If shouting NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! counts as denial.

CremolaFirCone Sun 29-Dec-13 20:37:00

Yep the fluid coming out is good. It's dead infected cells so it's gotta come out I'm afraid. It is about freaky but all you can do is keep it clean as possible and hope the antibiotics do the work . Of course you feel like it will never end and the abx slow you down and are exhausting. I felt like I was in fog for weeks. But there is light. Honestly. I do hope they swabbed her. And that she has as good a practice nurse as I did. She kept an eye in me for ages. I saw her every other day when I was really oozing and ill. Saved my sanity knowing that I was being cared for .
I was quite depressed I think.
Having a friend like you will make all the difference .thanks

CremolaFirCone Sun 29-Dec-13 20:42:10

Not back at work Kevin - they don't want me til all clear from work doctor. Unlikely to get that considering the onset shingles. This bout is on my FACE and neck dammit. I look like I've had a stroke with my droopy eyelid and whip marked cheek.
Festive. Not.

thekingfisher Sun 29-Dec-13 20:58:09

Crem so sorry to hear it you've really been through the mill - thinking healing and getting better vibes

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 29-Dec-13 22:12:05

That's not fair Crem. You've had a bad recovery from the op let alone this. You can't work whilst the blisters are 'out' and not yet healing. You're infectious.

I had penicillin at week one 'in case' because I had new bleeding and pain. I have no idea if it was something starting but was happy to avoid. I did have brain fog…hard to know if it was my life collapsing or physical recovery

Kevinsbowel Mon 30-Dec-13 09:56:39

Off to get my hair done now. I have been too mean to waste money on dying hair that will only see the back of the sofa. It has also answered my question of whether it is time to go gracefully grey. Definitely not. I have horrible streaky dead looking hair when left to itself.

Also may need a new cashmere cardigan for work as the others are all bobbly and covered in little moth holes.

Not the weather to spend any money on a blow dry, though.

Not quite enjoying all this getting day to go back stuff. I have to do a ton of laundry too.

Waitingaround Mon 30-Dec-13 10:45:18

Oh crem poor you thanks

shewhowines Mon 30-Dec-13 18:12:22

crem and rhondas friend oh no. Not good news, especially over christmas. This too, will pass thanks

Hope everyone else is ok and had a good christmas.

Sorry, can't agree that hotel chocolat will aid recovery. Good old cadburys is better. grin ok, ok I know I'm a chocolate heathen.

kevin I'm glad you enjoyed your time off so much. It's both good and bad that you are well enough to return to work. Grey streaks probably isn't a good look. I'd be interested to know how bad mine really is too.

Currently sitting in dd's room, supervising the great annual clear out. It's unbelievable how much, one teenager can accumulate. We are being RUTHLESS! She didn't even know she had half of it.

I need to clear out my bathroom cabinet. I am strangely reluctant. Whilst I am really pleased at the thought of no more periods, there is a psychological reluctance to remove all traces of my life before cancer/hysterectomy. Strange.

SantasPelvicFloor Mon 30-Dec-13 19:25:45

Galaxy is my choc of choice but I think they've tampered with it recently.

She:Are you frightened that by removing it you're tempting bleeding/a return?

CremolaFirCone Mon 30-Dec-13 20:47:12

Hi you lot.
Respect Shewho : dds bedroom scares the living shit out of me. I am too afraid to go in. It's not a bedroom ; its a collection of piles of crap.
<< cowers with terror>>
There are bits of geomag in there rolling about since the last century.

I am currently gnawing the ears off a Lindt teddygringringringrin

Kevinsbowel Mon 30-Dec-13 21:00:37

I no longer deal with their bedrooms. Presumably when they get married they will take what they need and burn the rest <shrug>.

I have not thrown away my tampax even though DD prefers towels and is not likely to respond with seemly gratitude to an offer of mummy's half used box of super plus. I can hardly take them them to Oxfam. It's so annoying as I thought I would be super efficient and use up all the random lilets that scatter the bottom of cupboards on my last ever period. But the bastard period went on forever and I had to crack and buy more. The operation happened halfway through the box.

CremolaFirCone Mon 30-Dec-13 21:08:45

Freecycle Kevin? I've seen weirder things on theregrin

SantasPelvicFloor Mon 30-Dec-13 21:09:27

I'm still bleeding so not quite ready for chucking anything. I had a hysterectomy shower...bit like a baby shower but uterus is removed. My friends suggested I hand out boxes of tampax as a party bag

Kevinsbowel Mon 30-Dec-13 21:15:26

santa arf grin

Just think about the cake you could make for a hysterectomy shower. I could have done a lovely pile of glistening fibroids, made from profiteroles.

SantasPelvicFloor Mon 30-Dec-13 22:44:56

<vomit>. It was the glistening adjective which finished me

RhondaJean Mon 30-Dec-13 23:48:22

Can't help but grin at hysterectomy showers. Even though it seems wrong.

I'm getting more concerned about my friend. I think I said a while back she had oral thrush; she's now got blisters in her mouth and they are so painful she isn't eating, drinking or talking much. I suspect it's all the antibiotics but its more what I would expect from going through chemo! Anyone else had similar?

I'll see how she is tomorrow, she is to be readmitted on new years day if she isn't any better so they are taking it seriously.

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 31-Dec-13 09:18:05

Poor woman. That sounds like she needs a complete assessment and some treatment to get her back to health

Twinkletights Tue 31-Dec-13 10:16:49

Rhondajean that sounds dreadful for you poor friend hope that she gets some relief soon.

Crem what a nightmare for you, be kind to yourself x

Hysterectomy shower! Now there is a thought...

I still cannot imagine being able to chuck out the battle cabinet of tampax, feels a bit far away and unreal here ATM. Some of you have had such a roller coaster of a journey and I can understand why it would be difficult to.

fgrin at chocolate preferences for recovery, any other yummy healing things to be recommended?

AnotherStitchInTime Tue 31-Dec-13 10:29:38

Hello, Merry Christmas to you all can I join? fsmile

Sorry to hear of all the troubles that you have been experiencing post hysterectomy.

I had an emergency partial abdominal hysterectomy on the 23rd December. I had an obstetric complication called placenta percreta, my placenta had grown through my uterus and into my bladder.

During my c section I haemorrhaged massively and lost all my blood volume, so to save my life they took my uterus out.

I was in high dependency for 4 days and had a catheter in for a week for my bladder, which came out yesterday. Like some of you bowels have been my biggest problem as they weren't working properly and I was vomiting, so was on fluids only for days.

Thing is I have had no specific advice on post-hysterectomy recovery. This is my third c section so I have been following the advice for c section recovery, but is there anything else I should know? I have three children under 5, but luckily lots of support lined up for the 8 week recovery period at least.

shewhowines Tue 31-Dec-13 11:12:01

Hello anotherstitch welcome.
Wow that sounds incredibly hard. I hope that emotionally you are ok and that now you are well on the road to physical recovery. You have had a lot to deal with. That wasn't what you were expecting to happen when you give birth.
I think the advice is probably similar to a c section although recovery is probably longer and harder, for some. Look after your bowels and rest, rest and rest. No lifting anything for a long time. Difficult with small children but imperative.

twinkle any yummy things are acceptable for post op recovery. The only proviso is, they must be frequent and in ample supply... Unfortunately some if us have been adhering to that advice too much, as our waistlines now testify sad

santa I don't know why I don't want to throw them out. Clinging on to my youth perhaps, or clinging on to a time when my biggest problem was what to have for tea that evening. I just need to bite the bulletin and do it.
How are you feeling now, about your pre christmas bombshell?

crem are you feeling any better yet?

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 31-Dec-13 12:19:45

Anotherstitch. Sounds very traumatic. I'm sure you know they saved your life. Make sure friends realise how ill you have been. thanks. I don't think post hysterectomy is that different to c section except I'd say avoid lifting +++

Shew. I'm ok and in denial about it all until next year. Just getting through Christmas, Twixmas and New Year first.

Ledkr Tue 31-Dec-13 15:34:08

Hi there. I wonder if anyone can give me a bit of sympathy/advice/arse kicking.
I'm booked for ovary and Fallopian tube removal on Friday due to me being brca2 ( already had breast cancer when I was 27)
I'm 47 and no sign of menopause as yet in fact I have a dd who is not even three yet.
They are apparently going to give me hrt until I'm fifty but I googled and am now full of worry about it all. Effects of premature menopause and hrt.
Feel panic stricken and yet have no choice but to have it done as it's a 70-80% increased risk.
Anyone else had similar?
Thanks for reading if you do.

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 31-Dec-13 15:39:55

Hi Ledkr. I had a similar little panic to you just before my op. All the risks loomed large and I was also having mine removed pre-emptively for cancer rather than because I have it. I wondered if I was doing the right thing. I then imagined my op being cancelled and that thought instantly gave me perspective. The relief I feel, having had the risk removed is worth the op.

Re the meno. At 47 you could be menopausal anyway. I am and am similar age to you. I'm on HRT and have stopped researching it because Google is not your friend here. The problem with all positive treatments is that you are informed of the risks and taking the choice makes you lose perspective of the risks in not taking that choice. Does that make sense?

Kevinsbowel Tue 31-Dec-13 16:00:13

Hi ledkr. 52 very shortly....My menopause took place on the operating table six weeks ago when they took out me ovaries and tubes. Otherwise I was all set to carry on for another five years or so- my mother had a late menopause and my periods were showing no signs of slowing up, rather the reverse.

I was mainly in for a hysterectomy- I asked to lose the ovaries and tubes while they were in there, having lost two good friends to ovarian cancer.

I can't say I have even noticed the menopause. A little bit hot at night maybe, but not enough to keep me awake. Nothing else.

I am now on oestrogen patches (25 microgramme/ 24 hours ) and have added topical 10 mcg/24 hours. It's a teeny tiny dose compared with taking it orally. As I don't have a uterus I don't need progesterone, so I am going to stay on my HRT for a lot longer than 50 , more like 65 apparently.

Ledkr Tue 31-Dec-13 16:07:16

Gosh thankyou so much it helps so much.
My dh is at work and I'm sat here in tears all alone with my worries.
santa how long ago was it for you and did you have genetic screening.
I think I'm having a "life is pretty unfair day" today, which I've not had for years.

Twinkletights Tue 31-Dec-13 16:32:41

Oh Ledkr big hug from me.

I am also waiting for my surgery and keep having wobbles. It must be very daunting for you and after you have already been through so much.

There are some lovely ladies on this thread who will be able to give you better advise.
Sorry I can't be of more use to you but am here to hand hold x

Another stitch what a frightening experience for you. Can you ask your midwife/health visitor for some recovery advise? I agree that rest is crucial for you x

RhondaJean Tue 31-Dec-13 16:43:47

Sat in doctors reception waiting for my friend. She looks so pale. He phoned at 4 and asked her to come in :-(

Ledkr big hugs you will get lots is support on here x

shewhowines Tue 31-Dec-13 16:59:47

ledka you wouldn't be normal if you weren't worried. I was terrified before surgery. They gave me something to calm me down the morning of the surgery. They said I could have asked my gp for something beforehand. If you are feeling that bad, is it worth phoning the surgery now?
The only thing I can really say to reassure you, is that the surgery wasn't actually as bad as we all imagined. I think we've all agreed on that. The waiting is the worse bit.

I've been sitting in dd's room again, supervising the great sort out. She's really got into it. Hours and hours later the room is 80% emptier. It's the christmas miracle fgrin

shewhowines Tue 31-Dec-13 17:28:25

Oh Happy New Year everyone - slightly in advance.

Don't get too drunk tonight or do anything I wouldn't fgrin
We are at a neighbours party, raving partying in a most sophisticated fashion the night away.

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 31-Dec-13 17:39:13

Ledkr and twinkle. The waiting has been the worst bit for me. The op itself was 'ok'. I was impatient with recovery because at two weeks post op I didn't feel able to do 5 miles with the dog. hmm I'm known for my legendary patience...

Ledkr I'm having a life is unfair day today and feel a little bit black dog. I think it's because it's NYE. I'm not going to post my litany of life's insults but feel I've had more than my share at a times. You've reminded me of the 3 things you're grateful for technique at times like this.

Mine are
1 I live in a beautiful part of the country and do now feel able to trot 3-5 miles with the dog
2 I have 3 lovely DC
3 Someone vacuumed my house for me today grin

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 31-Dec-13 17:41:07

Ledkr...not BRCA2 but HNPCC so my uterus was the offending item. Ovaries have gone...the whole shebang

RhondaJean Tue 31-Dec-13 17:45:13

Been sent to a and e now.

Kevinsbowel Tue 31-Dec-13 17:46:52

Hello anotherstitch, I forgot to welcome you. I think you will be a veteran of abdominal surgery, we should probably be asking you for tips smile. There is slightly more internal mayhem, possibly. If you kept the cervix you will have less trouble with prolapse-y type stuff, but I was given Stern Advice about lots of pelvic floor exercises which I have been very bad about .

As you are young and still have ovaries I guess the hormones will keep flowing and you won't need HRT?

Kevinsbowel Tue 31-Dec-13 17:51:50

Santa and ledkr, hugs to both. You have both been through a lot.

Ledkr, don't worry. The OP is absolutely fine. TBH I didn't really even have any pain - I never touched the morphine- and I was lucky with recovery, mine was completely boring. No bleeding after day 2, no infections, nothing.

I am doing nothing tonight, early bed, my highlight will be watching Sherlock tomorrow, which I will do in my pyjamas as it ends So Late (10.15!!!!).

Kevinsbowel Tue 31-Dec-13 17:56:19

Rhonda, xpostede.... Good, your friend did sound very ill. Much more than you would expect just from this op. Do they have any idea what this is?

Twinkletights Tue 31-Dec-13 18:07:54

Oh gosh Rhondajean that sounds very worrying hopefully they will see her straight away thanks to both of you.

Have a lovely evening all, quiet night here with a meal, Veuve and DH which I am really looking forward to.
The DCs are currently tucking into homemade pizza and then we will head out into the garden for some fireworks before they go to bed. We are planning to wake the older 2 for midnight for the first time.

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 31-Dec-13 18:37:59

It sounds as if your friend has a systemic sort of reaction Rhonda. What a way to spend NYE. I hope she gets 'processed' out of A&E (NYE is full of drunks) quickly and onto an admissions ward and starts some sort of treatment plan to get her back on her feet.

I have 'DP' here and friends around for drinks and nibbles. I doubt they will make midnight and tbh that's fine as I'm feeling a bit maudlin and introspective so socialising will be hard work.

Prolapse wise I feel ok and the aqua flex has been tucked in a drawer. I will use them. I'll make that a NY resolution but probably not broadcast it grin

Waitingaround Tue 31-Dec-13 18:45:12

ledkr I had both ovaries and tubes removed and have been in oestrogen 75 mg patches since. At 42 my consultant explained that they were just giving back to my body that which they had removed- therefore no recorded risk. I did have a look at the science sites/medical literature as have access via my work and discovered that all the evidence relates to those over 50 as no recordable risk has been found in those under this age. Try not to worry sometimes DR Google can be a very scary thing. I think it's important to balance any risk of HRT against that incurred by not using it.
fhonda hope your friend gets the care she needs thanks

Ledkr Tue 31-Dec-13 20:02:13

You have no idea (well you probably have actually) how much your posts have helped me today, thank you so much.
Ill have a lovely couple of days now.
It's just nice to not be some in all this.
waiting that is so reassuring.
Two lovely mumsnetters came to see me with champagne and chocs how amazing is that?
rhonda I hope your mate is ok.
I'm happy on my champers now, am going to do karaoke with my dd.
happy and healthy new year to you all.

AnotherStitchInTime Tue 31-Dec-13 21:28:45

Happy New Year in advance to you all wine

Rhonda I hope your friend will be fast tracked onto a gynaecological ward, NYE in A&E will be chaotic. Glad the GP has taken her condition seriously.

Thank you for the welcome kevin, they did take my cervix too so pelvic floor exercises will be essential for me. As I understand it often even if they leave your ovaries they can degrade within 6-7 years so I may need HRT in my late 30's/early 40's.

santa hope you feel able to let your hair down a bit later, good to see you are able to find positives in your life. Think I may be joining you in your NY resolution, what is Aquaflex?

twinkle enjoy the champagne and fireworks smile

shewho enjoy your party, rave away on my behalf will you? It has been 5 years since I have gone out on NYE!

Ledkr sure your op will go fine, have you got arrangements for care of your youngest in place for afterwards? Enjoy your champagne, chocs and karaoke smile

Have been taking it easy today and managed to catch a nap, which was great as my newborn was cluster feeding in the middle of the night so I was shattered.

Plan for NYE is a small glass of red wine, nibbles, chocs and to watch a film with DH. Haven't really had any time alone with him for the last two months as I was in hospital with recurrent bleeding during my pregnancy.

NYE resolutions are pelvic floor +++ and to enjoy time with my family, I am so grateful to be here with them I intend to enjoy every snot and vomit filled moment!

RhondaJean Tue 31-Dec-13 22:55:59

That's me just home. She got sent to the gynae ward where a lovely young doctor (he looked about 12) was very worried about examining her so sent for a registrar who never appeared, eventually he looked himself, satisfied himself it wasn't a fistula (which seems to have been their main concern) and sent her home with an emergency appointment for Friday mornings gynae clinic.

I kept waiting, the staff were lovely, they fed my 9 yo, let me watch mamma Mia in the day room for bit, kept saying it shouldn't be long now!

She looks awful poor lamb, and she's gone home to an unexpected house full of teenage girls which is just what she needs. I did offer to go in and send them home!

Happy new year to all of you and hope its a healthy and pain free one.

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 31-Dec-13 23:19:30

Best wishes for 2014 to all of you. My top advice to the waiting ones is be prepared to rest. I wasn't. It is your best way to recover

Kevinsbowel Wed 01-Jan-14 08:15:35

Happy new year! This has been a great thread and a great community.

Ledkr Wed 01-Jan-14 10:45:45

I'll second that.
You lot really got me through a bad day yesterday thank you so much.
Can I stay. I will update you Friday on how it went.
Will I be in agony like a c section or mild discomfort. Will I bleed. Do I need to take San pads?

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Wed 01-Jan-14 11:24:44

Happy New Year to you all!
Sorry I haven't been able to keep up with the thread but I hope everyone has a fantastic 2014.
And thanks for all your help and support.

SantasPelvicFloor Wed 01-Jan-14 11:29:28

Open surgery or keyhole Ledkr?

I had laparoscopic and stopped pain killers after 3/4 days. My bleeding was minimal until day 7 and I've had a light period type blood loss since then.

They gave me a pad and as I came home same day I used my own since then.

SantasPelvicFloor Wed 01-Jan-14 11:30:29

Some of the earlier posters are not still posting. I hope they are ok. They helped me enormously. I imagine this thread could roll on with newer posters joining. It's been a great place of support for me

AnotherStitchInTime Wed 01-Jan-14 11:36:15

Other than the bowel/wind pain Ledkr I have been in a lot less pain this time than after my two previous c sections. I think because I have no uterus to contract back. I am more aware of tenderness when urinating and opening my bowels though and generally feel more tired.

I haven't had any bleeding, but then I lost so much blood during surgery I reckon that my body is hanging onto it all. I would take pads just in case.

Start taking lactulose, prune juice, fybogel, lots of veg and fruit etc... from now and try to make sure you open your bowels before surgery. After surgery introduce foods slowly, I started with smoothies and vegetable juice then moved onto soups and porridge. It was only when I tried to rush into eating other foods that I got into trouble and had to go back to fluids only due to an ileus of my bowel.

SantasPelvicFloor Wed 01-Jan-14 12:03:03

Agree with Anotherstitch re the bowel. The removal of uterus, tubes and ovaries was a doddle. The bowel didn't like the surgery one little bit. I've had no earl issues thanks to a regime similar to the above but have had a lot of pain for the first 3 weeks every time I ate anything.

Kevinsbowel Wed 01-Jan-14 12:06:00

Ledkr, you're just losing the ovaries and tubes, right? So you won't have the big internal wound where the uterus was. Assuming its keyhole (surely it is??) I would have said barely any pain from that.

I came up from theatre at 8.30 pm and by 10 am I was walking up and down the corridors on just paracetamol and diclofenac. The anaesthetist said be brave enough to go easy on the morphine (makes you sick and constipated) but not so brave you lie huddled up not moving.

If its just the ovaries I can't see why you would bleed at all, TBH, but take a few pads, cos what they hand out are those granny pads from the 1970s smile

Also, if no hysterectomy then your bowel won't get moved around, so I doubt it will sulk all that much. Personally I just ate a lot of stewed fruit when I got home, didn't open the movicol.

CremolaFirCone Wed 01-Jan-14 14:39:52

Happy new year everyone and welcome to newbies!
Rhonda hoping your friend has had a better night and is improving.

I understand the fear pre-op. It's much worse than the actual op .
thanksthanksthanksthanks To everyone todaysmile

Waitingaround Wed 01-Jan-14 17:34:36

Happy New Year to allwine
I'm 11 weeks post op this Friday and can now say that I am FIT!!! I feel better than ever smile although am also heavier than ever oops! The waiting pre op is def the worst bit.

Twinkletights Wed 01-Jan-14 19:02:24

Happy New Year thanks

It is really encouraging to read about the recoveries and that this journey is worth it.

Rhonda hope that your friend is starting to feel better, I was quite shocked to read that they had suspected a fissure - ouch.

Santa how are you today? And Crem hope that you are feeling better too.

I think that I need to start using this waiting time to do some constructive preparation so am going to start planning freezer meals and upping my excercise levels. Not the easiest when our bodies are so uncomfortable hmm

Not long to go for you now Ledkr thanks

Another stitch hope that you had a nice evening and congratulations on your new arrival.

Ledkr Wed 01-Jan-14 20:16:42

I've just planned some childcare help and dds party and am working on panto rehearsals. Need to be organised.
Also working on an online shop between arguing on mn.

So tell me, is the weight gain inevitable?
I need to shift two stone as it is.
In planning to use my time off work to eat healthily and do some exercise.
How soon can I swim/take walks after my keyhole?
Anyone know?

Kevinsbowel Wed 01-Jan-14 20:21:55

I haven't gained any new weight.

I was walking an hour a day by week 2 and 2 hours a day by week 3.

Swimming, it will depend on a number of things. It takes six weeks for soft tissue to heal, and PP here were told anything from two to six weeks before swimming. However, if you are only having ovaries and tubes, I would think you might be at the quicker end of that. If you want to swim, ask if they can seal your wounds with dermabond not dressings. It's waterproof so you can bath and shower right away.

Kevinsbowel Wed 01-Jan-14 20:23:40

Online shop, I have a standing order with Ocado that comes every Sunday morning at 8.30. They price match with tesco and they hardly ever substitute- because you book the slot before you do the order, so if its out of stock they tell you when you are shopping.

Ledkr Wed 01-Jan-14 20:27:50

Thanks kevin where did you walk to for two hours? Outer Mongolia? grin
I love this thread where we can say things like
"It's only your tubes and ovaries they are taking out"
Ha ha everyone else looks horrified when I tell them!

Ledkr Wed 01-Jan-14 20:29:24

What did u have done kev?

Kevinsbowel Wed 01-Jan-14 20:32:13

Round the park.. Once in the morning and once in the afternoon. I was quite slow to start with smile

Sorry, not meaning to dismiss your OP, just that if the uterus is still there, there will be a lot less bleeding, infection, etc. so it ought to be on the good side of average I would say.

I have grossed out a few colleagues when I tell them I was 32 weeks pregnant with fibroids. About the size of your cat, I say, helpfully, and they go, <boak>. And then I tell them how they turned my tummy button into a waste disposal chute grin

Kevinsbowel Wed 01-Jan-14 20:34:46

Xpostede...I had a cluster of fibroids which made me 32 weeks pregnant, so it was uterus, tubes and ovaries all out by keyhole. One hole at the base of my abdomen, one on each side of my gut and my tummy button opened up to get it all out. Quite a big job, as the builders might say. Not saying my surgeon actually sucked her teeth, but it was close smile. And a blood transfusion as I was so anaemic.

shewhowines Wed 01-Jan-14 20:41:22

Mmm weight gain <strokes chin> I strongly suggest it might be due to the pigging out effect of lounging on the sofa and boredom. I don't think weight gain is inevitable if you have that, what's it called thing? Oh something called, self control. I don't know much about it, but apparently some people have it...

crem how's the face?
rhonda how's your friend today?

waiting 11 weeks have gone quickly. It's lovely to be back to normal isn't it.

letsface great to hear from you. Hope you are still keeping well.

Heres to a happy and healthy 2014 wine for everyone

Ledkr Wed 01-Jan-14 20:41:57

Wow! Impressive. Well done you grin did you name them?
I would have been happy to have the hysterectomy but as I've had 4 sections he said there was a high risk of bladder damage so leaving it there.
I'm going to do the walking too. I've a toddler so she will like it. She's at nursery for the two days I normally work so if like a swim on those days.
Looking forward to getting it over with and putting it behind me.
Did you have hrt? Sorry for questions.
How have u found the lack of oestrogen?

Ledkr Wed 01-Jan-14 20:43:12

Moods? I need to know about moods?
I've had horrendous pmt for years, might it improve <looks at poor dh>

Kevinsbowel Wed 01-Jan-14 20:50:27

Didn't name them but I did get shown a photo from surgery. Huge fuckers.

I take oestrogen patches 25 microgramme s/24 hours and also a thing coyly called "topical oestrogen" which is basically a tic-tac on a stick that you put up your fanjo and you get 10 mcg/24 hours. You should ask about that, as it is often not given in the UK but has many benefits in preventing prolapse of the bladder - because it preserves collagen in the vaginal wall, thus stopping the whole thing collapsing inwards. It also stops vaginal dryness.

I have barely noticed the menopause though I am slightly hot at night s e times, not enough to keep me awake though. Very very hot the first night post surgery, but fine now I have the HRT.

You will need progesterone though as you are keeping the uterus. High mantenance things, uteruses.

My mood is fine except I am gutted to be going back to work. I have so loved these last six weeks at home chilling out. I don't think I have had six weeks off, no childcare, since I was about 12.

You will forgive me, but I am going to watch Sherlock now smile. Good luck if we don't post before Friday.

Waitingaround Wed 01-Jan-14 21:16:14

My moods are much better as no longer in pain, sex also much improved toogrin good luck for Friday * ledkr*
she me and ' self-control' are yet to meet... * kevin* now I'm back at work I'm enjoying it but did not want to return, I was far to comfy on the sofa eating biscuitssmile

Ledkr Wed 01-Jan-14 21:16:18

Thank you, you've been a great help.

shewhowines Wed 01-Jan-14 21:23:20

Haven't heard from green and odds for a while. Are you guys ok? kingfisher how are you?

Ledkr Wed 01-Jan-14 21:23:42

Sex? What's that?
Any improvement would be huge.
I've been too grumpy and hormonal and of course it's all dh's bloody fault!
I'm looking forward to sine time off work with my girls.

SantasPelvicFloor Wed 01-Jan-14 21:52:19

I am heavier I imagine. My middle expanded so jeans were very uncomfortable for first 2 weeks. Christmas food + sofa = weight gain.

Sex? Not allowed until 6 weeks and not sure I have a partner lined up grin

Swimming, I've been told to wait to 6 weeks

I drove at 3 weeks but short simple journeys

I'm on oestrogen HRT. Was previously on Tibolone to try and keep my endometrium from growing but can have oestrogen now. No moods that I can attribute to hormones. I like oestrogen and it agrees with me. I was on it before the uterus started growing and misbehaving

Waitingaround Wed 01-Jan-14 21:56:53

I wasn't allowed sex until last week (10 weeks) so having a bit of a second honeymoon blush

AnotherStitchInTime Thu 02-Jan-14 12:05:55

I at least have the excuse of needing to make breastmilk to justify my biscuit eating grin

No sex round here since September, due to ban after my 20 week scan because of risk of bleeding (placenta praevia). By the time I have recovered from the hysterectomy it will have been 5 months! Might have a second and third honeymoon by that point! blush

Mighty impressed by your walking Kevin, how many weeks post op are you?

thekingfisher Thu 02-Jan-14 12:28:33

Hello all sorry been Mia - been away over new year with friends on east coast with no mobile signal and patchy wifi

Welcome all new ones

I am now 51/2 weeks and am mostly back to normal ish although very achy after over exertion (like New Years eveconfused)

Seeing physio on Tuesday to hopefully check nothing's fallen out

Kevinsbowel Thu 02-Jan-14 17:55:44

another I am seven weeks this saturday, but was able to walk almost at once.

Ledkr, good luck tomorrow, let us know how you get on.

shewhowines Thu 02-Jan-14 18:21:07

Yes, all the best for tomorrow ledkr Don't worry too much. This time tomorrow it will hopefully be over, and you can come and join us on the recovery sofa.

Twinkletights Thu 02-Jan-14 18:36:45

All the best for tomorrow Ledkr will be thinking of you

SantasPelvicFloor Thu 02-Jan-14 19:34:47

Ledkr hope you are relaxing tonight. I had a long bath and read a book. May have had a glass of wine but I just wound down. The pre op wait is worse than post op.

Were you dancing kingfisher? Did you get people to check the dance floor for any fallen out bits?

I'm not sleeping very well so pretty tired but other thn that I'm doing fine. 4 weeks exactly since the op and I did a reasonably hilly, clambering walk across the moor today for about 4-5 miles. Tomorrow I'm planning to catch the train to nearest city and go shopping with 19 yr old daughter

Ledkr Thu 02-Jan-14 20:38:01

Thanks everyone.
I feel ok, resigned in fact but I keep feeling really sick.
It could be nerves but I've never had it before, I hope it's not a bloody bug!
I shall update you all tomorrow.
I can eat until 3am which implys that you could have a meal around 2.45 grin

AnotherStitchInTime Thu 02-Jan-14 20:46:41

Hope all goes well tomorrow Ledkr. The night before my c section I ate right up until the midnight deadline grin. I felt nauseous too, think it is normal to be nervous before any op, but biscuits, chocolate and wine will surely help.

Santa 4-5 miles wow, I have yet to leave the house!

Early days for me though 10 days today, when the painkillers start wearing off I really feel it still.

Kevinsbowel Thu 02-Jan-14 20:47:40

Santa, that is excellent when you think how rubbish you felt only a week ago.

Ledkr, probably is nerves. I had a shocking migraine when I went in. Luckily they don't care and just anaethetise you anyway smile

Ledkr Thu 02-Jan-14 20:51:55

I had a migraine when I had my thyroid op two months ago, largely as I was nil by mouth for ages before.
The nice anethetist gave me IV paracetamol which worked a treat, I felt better after surgery than I had done before.
I had to stay in overnight and had to beg for food and drink which was a massive doorstop white sandwich-not easy to eat after neck surgery lol.

SantasPelvicFloor Thu 02-Jan-14 20:53:50

Another stitch-if you read back you'd see I was moaning at how little recovery I'd made, still feel awful, don't appear to be making any progress, pain at vault....whinge whinge whinge. I really do feel pretty good now. I do however not have a tiny baby exhausting me let alone small other children. I have an 11 yr old and am counting the minutes until she goes back to school!

Two days pre op I had the funeral of a friend who died suddenly in her 40s and then the next night my dog was ill and I sat up all night with him vomiting every ten minutes...I thought I might just howl at the staff in the anaesthetic room but I was so tired I felt quite subdued and flat.

Ledkr Thu 02-Jan-14 21:37:40

santas me too and I'm not madly keen on her tbh.
I had 3 boys and longed for a girl to do girly stuff with, instead I have a cheeky, sarcastic and self absorbed nightmare. She is embarrassed by my very being!
I also have a 2 yr old who us hard work but delicious.

CremolaFirCone Thu 02-Jan-14 21:42:06

Ledkr just popping in to wish you the best of luck tomorrow.thanks
Also look forward to chatting afterwards. Take care.

thekingfisher Fri 03-Jan-14 15:41:01

Hope all went went Ledkr and you are doing ok

SantasPelvicFloor Fri 03-Jan-14 18:20:41

Ok Ledkr... Bed rest, no heroics, pain killers, rest ...oh and rest. thanks

Ledkr Fri 03-Jan-14 20:19:02

Thank you lovely ladies.
I'm home now in bed.
I found it pretty lousy actually. Sore and the anaesthetic made me sick and I just couldn't come round from it like before. I had terrible shakes after in recovery which was frightening and they had to warm me up quickly.
Was first on list but only allowed out at 7 tonight, I was on a small trolley type bed I think id have rather stayed in so I could have slept off the drugs in a proper bed.
The tubes and ovaries looked ok but obviously need testing now.
Dd has been looking after me with her pepper pig drs set grin
Thanks for all your support. On here.
Ill pop by tomorrow.

Twinkletights Fri 03-Jan-14 20:30:13

thanks Ledkr I am surprised that you were allowed home tonight and hope that you manage to get lots of rest. Sorry to hear that you felt so grotty in recovery it is never a pleasant experience but the shakes sound scary x

I have my date now and only have 2 weeks to wait thankfully.

Ledkr Fri 03-Jan-14 21:19:25

twinkle I hope I've not scared you' what are you having done?

RhondaJean Fri 03-Jan-14 21:25:57

Hi everyone. Led hope you are taking it nice and easy.

Just to let you know my friends appointment this morning went well and she seems to be starting to slowly recover.

Led, she also had her thyroid out, albeit 9years ago.

Twinkletights Fri 03-Jan-14 21:42:25

Rhondajean that is great news that your friend is starting to recover now.

Ledkr I am having a laparoscopic hysterectomy and tube removal but preserving the ovaries. You have not worried me at all I was more worried about you!
My surgeon is the same one that did my prolapse repairs and I trust him.

How are you feeling? thanks

Ledkr Fri 03-Jan-14 21:44:58

rhonda thanks and I'm glad your mate is ok.

Does anyone remember their bladder feeling funny after their pelvic surgery?
I need to go a lot and it feels a it uncomfortable and I have to strains bit to go.
I think it happened though with my thyroid op so maybe it's more to do with the anesthetic?
I've stopped being sick I think now, I had a packet of fruit pastilles for dinner grin

Ledkr Fri 03-Jan-14 21:50:03

twinkle I'm glad I haven't worried you.
I have had bigger operations than this and have a bit of a reputation for being fairly resilient but this has really knocked me for six.
I'm glad in a way because I'm really going to rest up and look after myself.

When the surgeon talked about the ovaries being checked for signs of cancer after I realised I was doing the right thing in having it done.

Be nice to have less worry now .I'm going to feel much better in myself.
Am intending to use my time off work to really get myself feeling good, I need to lose a bit of weight and get a bit fitter.

SantasPelvicFloor Sat 04-Jan-14 09:05:20

Ledkr. I had the shaking thing and was warmed up with a hot air blanket. My pain was also not controlled immediately after the op but they did both warm me and give me morphine.

The bladder will be bruised and the area around the urethra (tube) too. I found if I left it too long I found it harder to go, so little and often.... I also sat and just waited rather than strain. If you try tilting pelvis by leaning forwards, backwards and partially standing it may help the bladder drain. This settled very quickly for me.

Ledkr Sat 04-Jan-14 09:26:48

Thanks santa you've been my font of knowledge grin
It's a bit easier to pee today and I agree going oftenus the way forward.
That shaking thing terrified me as I've never had it before. That and the fact I was so drowsy so couldn't make sense of it all. The nurse mentioned later that I'd been given an awful lot if drugs?? This obviously made me sick too.
Wasn't allowed home until 7 and was puking on the way home too.
Wow! Not as easy as I thought.
So today I ached like buggery and the wind is moving about but cannot find its way out!
Not something I normally struggle with lol.

AnotherStitchInTime Sat 04-Jan-14 09:48:33

Glad the surgery went well Ledkr. Your dd sounds lovely, looking after you with her doctors kit, my 4 year old dd did the same when I came home smile.

I have had shaking, hot flushes and vomiting after a previous GA, but not this time round so I think that is a normal reaction to the anaesthetic. If you had opiate pain relief like morphine that can make you feel shaky and nauseous too.

I had a catheter for 7 days after my surgery and when it came out I was told to pee hourly and drink lots of water to help the bladder get working. Each day has got easier and I agree with Santa about weeing position. Also what helps me is to tip some warm water over the area before going, it seems to help relax the muscles. Also useful afterwards if weeing is a bit sore.

Glad your friend is recovering Rhonda.

AnotherStitchInTime Sat 04-Jan-14 09:52:04

Can ask you ladies further along than myself, did you get pinching or twanging type pains inside as you healed? 12 days post op today and I have felt more internal pains now that the surface abdominal scar is more healed. Also sneezing, ouch! I did that yesterday and had to sit down and rest afterwards, it made everything move inside and not in a good way.

Ledkr Sat 04-Jan-14 10:01:56

I had that after my numerous c sections another
Like twangs and tweaks, I think it's just internal stitches going ping.

SantasPelvicFloor Sat 04-Jan-14 10:33:20

Yes to twanging. At 7 days I had new pain in the vault and for the next week a newish sort of twang internally, under the ribs, in side walls and sort of ovarian. Nothing I took pain relief for but I was conscious of it and uncomfortable. I avoided pain relief because I'd been told masking the pain allows you to overdo things.

The pain is a commentary on your need to rest! I think its normal healing.

I think it was ? Kevin who reassured me that the prodding I felt under the umbilicus was normal. That was very disconcerting. It felt like a hand trying to poke out.

SantasPelvicFloor Sat 04-Jan-14 10:36:18

Someone ? Shew said how much better she was feeling at 4 weeks having felt rubbish at 2 weeks. That reassured me so much because at that point, I felt that I wasn't improving. So hold onto that. I'm walking 5 miles daily easily and briefly considered going for a run grin then realised that was very ambitious silly

Kevinsbowel Sat 04-Jan-14 11:21:09

A run???? shock. <Dear Santa, please can I have a prolapse for Christmas?>

I think you should wait a little longer....

Poor Ledkr with the puking and shaking, that's bad luck. Still, it's done now.

YY to wind moving around and looking for an escape, that is the main source of pain IME.

another absolutely, the twanging thing is a bit weird, and I got it especially around the top of my pubic bone, presumably where the big wound is where they chop off the uterus from the cervix. Gone now, though. Also, yes, like a finger poking up around the tummy button. There's a big internal stitch right there, to stop us getting hernias. Ad generally, as the internal swelling goes away, all the organs sort of pull and flop around into the new space created. I said at the time it was a like a barge settling down onto silt as the lock gates are opened.

Kevinsbowel Sat 04-Jan-14 11:23:48

Ad another one who thinks LEDKR is being brave coming home right away, I stayed in for two nights.

Ledkr Sat 04-Jan-14 11:48:55

Ledkr had no choice.
I was on a day unit.
To be honest it was horrible having to go out in the cold at 7pm and sit in the car for thirty minutes puking into a cardboard hat.
The upside was getting into my own soft bed with lots of pillows and a bathroom nearby.
I've got my tv and Netflix (breaking bad marathon) and dh is here to look after kids.
Better at home.

AnotherStitchInTime Sat 04-Jan-14 13:14:36

Ledkr my preferred wind relief in hospital was peppermint water, the combination of peppermint oil and hot water worked really well. I have peppermint oil capsules and tea at home which helps.

Prune juice, lactulose, lots of fresh fruit and veg and glycerine suppositories are my friends re: bowel movements. The first time is painful, but it gets easier if you can stop yourself getting constipated.

Ledkr Sat 04-Jan-14 13:52:54

I'm guzzling tea and have just eaten some grapes and nectarines. Going to have some senna too.
My lovely dd is cuddled up in bed with me and we are watching tinker bell

Ledkr Sat 04-Jan-14 13:54:01

Peppermint tea I meant

shewhowines Sat 04-Jan-14 14:08:54

Glad you are back. The only way is up, now. thanks

Ledkr Sat 04-Jan-14 15:14:01

Feeling sorry for myself now. It's bloody sore but I'm sure the wind is causing most of the pain.but it won't shift.
In so bloody weak too, I can hardly even speak.'i really didn't expect to feel so rubbish, glad I didn't know before.

AnotherStitchInTime Sat 04-Jan-14 15:37:47

It will get better once your bowel kick starts itself, stick to fruit, veg, smoothies and soups in the meantime. By day 4 I was a lot better.

Twinkletights Sat 04-Jan-14 16:05:34

Oh Ledkr so very sorry to hear that you are feeling so rubbish. We're you given pain relief to take home?
Still surprised that this was treated as a day case for you, it probably depends which trust/area you are in which is also awful.
Your DD sounds lovely

I have spent the day bulk cooking and have ordered some peppermint capsules, it sounds like I am going to need them.

Kevinsbowel Sat 04-Jan-14 16:20:28

I think I would have felt pretty weak going home just 12 hours later. You will feel better very soon. Just being home warm and cosy will help.

I am a bowel infidel, I didn't do any of this peppermint capsule stuff, though I do always have peppermint tea at bedtime anyway. Apples and plums baked in the oven under foil. And lots of green vegetables (sprouts, cabbage, broccoli). And cups of tea.

Ledkr Sat 04-Jan-14 17:30:42

Sorry, I was being a bit self pitying.
I got out of bed for a bit which has helped although it does mean I saw dh's slight chaos as he takes down the Xmas decs and builds a bird table all while looking after dds.
In fact little dd said to me "bit hungry" when she saw me grin
Feel better for getting up tho.

SantasPelvicFloor Sat 04-Jan-14 20:30:39

I was glad to go home and went home 8 hours after the op. I did go straight to bed though and was my every need was tended to. Being in my own bed was bliss.

Kevin is a bowel infidel has a strange ring to it...

I practiced throwing and catching an American football on the beach today, planted an apple and plum tree (with help) and cooked for a family dinner party. I do feel great but getting out of bed and being showered before 10:30am is still a challenge.

Ledkr Sat 04-Jan-14 20:47:25

I agree about bring in bed alone. Lovely.
I have got up for a bit but an itching to get back to my nest!

Twinkletights Sat 04-Jan-14 20:52:01

sad worry is starting to set in here

Laparoscpic ladies how many scars do you have and did you get much bruising?

SantasPelvicFloor Sat 04-Jan-14 21:18:56

Minimal bruising (and I bruise easily) and 3 scars. One healed very quickly on left hip area. One in right bikini area was sore and slightly bruised. It was also puckered. Tummy button was sore but wound was invisible, camouflaged by the 'button'.

All healed well however the dissolvable stitches never dissolved. A friend cut two out for me at 3 weeks and I popped into the ward and had tummy button stitches removed at nearly 4 weeks.

Ledkr Sat 04-Jan-14 21:22:35

I'm only the next day and while I wouldn't say it's been my favourite two days I'm sat here watching Django with dh and have never regretted having it.
It's bearable.

Kevinsbowel Sat 04-Jan-14 21:48:03

I have two little spots on each side of my gut, where the camera and the instruments went in. They never hurt, and the stitches dissolved and fell out around 2.5 weeks, along with the glue on top. I have a scar about an inch long just along the public hairline. That one still itches a bit. And my tummy button was kind of remodelled. It's actually rather better looking than it was before, and very much cleaner- I was blush when I realised the surgeon must have cleaned out all the old fluff and dead skin... That was bruised for about three weeks but it didn't hurt unless I leant on it.

Twinkletights Sat 04-Jan-14 21:59:27

Thank you Santa, Ledkr and Kevin it really helps to be able to ask these random questions instead of fretting.

A remodelled belly button!

Ledkr Sat 04-Jan-14 22:03:05

I sat up for too long a d let the pain killers wear off ouch!
I had a bit of a bleed after walking up to my room (attic) is that ok? Bleeding feels scary when u know its not a period.

SantasPelvicFloor Sat 04-Jan-14 22:09:47

I was told that there is a clot at the vault of vagina (cervix removed in my case) and it breaks down and is the blood loss. If it doesn't break down it can act as a source of infection.

However I had fresh red loss which is obviously not clot! It has however settled. Expect it for 6 weeks I was told.

Kevinsbowel Sun 05-Jan-14 08:03:14

Everyone bleeds to start with - I was sent home with those disposable sheets you get after a baby. I was finished within the week, but most people seem to have bled for longer.

Straight after the OP, it's just tidying up the blood that didn't get hoovered up by the surgical team at the time, I think. Then often that bleeding stops, and after a few days you get new bleeding which is the clot breaking down. Some people also get what Santa has had, more bleeding for a while.

One of us had a retrocyle (?sp) stitch go (was that odd socks?) and more new heavy bleeding and pain, and I think she went in and got antibiotics.

Ledkr Sun 05-Jan-14 09:57:04

I'm bleeding an awful lot of fresh red blood. I feel a bit worried. Only had tubes n ovaries should it be this bad?

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 05-Jan-14 09:59:37

More or less than a period ledkr?

I was day case like you and was given the number of the gynae ward to call at any time. They were brilliant and I called twice. Very fast response and seen quickly.

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 05-Jan-14 10:01:05

I'd say more bleeding than hysterectomy. Your uterus might be shedding the lining as the hormones have dipped. We had no uterus to bleed iykwim

Ledkr Sun 05-Jan-14 10:05:14

It's about the same as a first day period.
Very dark/bright red.

Ledkr Sun 05-Jan-14 10:17:33

One if my wounds is oozing too now, watery blood, it's soaked my nightie.

shewhowines Sun 05-Jan-14 10:37:59

i'd ring and check with the ward. Just to be sure.

I'm probably unusual but i didn't have any bleeding at all. My wounds didn't leak, but again I didn't get an infection either, which seems to be the more unusual. An infection seems to be the norm around here, don't worry but do get everything checked out.

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 05-Jan-14 11:41:46

I'd ring and check with the ward as well Ledkr

Have your got dressings? I left my dressings on for a couple of days and they were bloody but not sodden. I have never had anything more than a light period loss.

Ledkr Sun 05-Jan-14 11:59:30

Bloody ward were useless. Ring back if any worse! How much worse then?
Dh and I were just having a general moan about it all, take out your organs then wheel you into a cold rainy car park a few hours later and send you home without so much as follow up.
I had to ask repeatedly about hrt until was finally told I'd be referred to "the menopause clinic" by a junior dr who wrote this down on a piece of scrap paper.
Because I've had breast cancer my hrt needs to be well managed and not I feel by the gp.
I'd have thought it would have been all set up as part of the process.
I'm going to get on to it tomorrow.
Dd2 woke up at 3am and has been up since.
Poor dh
, his grandad died yesterday and he's not even had time to think straight with all this.
Ds and dil are taking dd2 later for a few hours so he can have a rest.

Kevinsbowel Sun 05-Jan-14 12:44:22

Hmmm. Sounds a lot to me. I'd go in and have someone see you if possible.

That does sound crap care. I was in hospital two full days after the OP, saw the surgeon twice, and fixed up the HRT with her before the OP, and rerviewed it at my four week check.

Ledkr Sun 05-Jan-14 12:50:35

I think so too.
I was nowhere near menopause.
I've had chemo
I had five years tamoxifen
I had parathyroid condition
My nan had early onset osteo.
All put me high risk of bone thinning.
I shall be on one tomorrow if I'm still here.
My wound had bled through two dressings my pjs and my quilt!

Twinkletights Sun 05-Jan-14 12:55:57

Ledkr that is shocking for you. I would phone the ward back again this afternoon x

Ledkr Sun 05-Jan-14 12:59:49

Going to e mail gp now so they see tomorrow and ring consultant in morning maybe pals too.
This isn't great.
Wish I'd just taken my chances on ovarian cancer odds now!

Waitingaround Sun 05-Jan-14 13:07:01

Ledkr- don't think your wounds should be doing that.
Give the ward another call-make a fuss. You need to be seen (reassurance is required).

The period Type bleeding could in fact be a period.
I bled from 2 weeks till 5 weeks- this was heavy and smelly with increased pain and swelling- turns out I had an infection and ended up on elephant pills!

AnotherStitchInTime Sun 05-Jan-14 15:13:44

Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologist guidance Ledkr. The weeping wound sounds like it should be checked.

Twinkletights Sun 05-Jan-14 15:31:42

Ledkr hope that you called the ward and are being seen today.

Well after having doubts on having this surgery my body has given me a blimin good reminder.
I have spent the last few days on my feet cooking to fill the freezer and now I am in incredible pain throughout my lower back, pelvis and top of my legs. Back on the pain relief again hmm

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 05-Jan-14 15:32:47

The vaginal bleeding could be normal. I don't think the wound should bleed that much. Your follow up care sounds shoddy

fitflopqueen Sun 05-Jan-14 17:44:26

I too, am having same op as you in 2 weeks, my consultant is happy to discharge same day but I have requested one nights stay as we live quite rurally.
Perhaps we can share info, I haven't had a pre-op yet.

Has anyone been prescribed routine antibiotics postop? I was given some following previous ablation which caused awful thrush and don't want to take if non essential this time.

Twinkletights Sun 05-Jan-14 18:09:17

Welcome to the thread fitflopqueen and the waiting sofa smile
I have not had my pre-op yet either and it would be good to share info as we wait. The ladies on this thread are lovely and supportive.

That is good that you have been able to organise an overnight stay, I am in awe of those who went home the same day.

My consultant has said at least overnight but maybe longer for a hospital stay.

Twinkletights Sun 05-Jan-14 18:11:25

Ledkr how are you feeling now?

Ledkr Sun 05-Jan-14 18:39:46

But better in myself but still bleeding heavily vaginally and from one of the sites. I'm not going to bleed to death so will call dr in morning.
Rang word AGAIN. Spoke to hca who says vag bleeding is normal but site prob needs stitching.
As I said, gp tomorrow.
Might not be in to be alone as planned though.
I'm going to enlist a friend.

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 05-Jan-14 18:45:25

I'm shocked. That's appalling care.

Hi fit flop

Twinkletights Sun 05-Jan-14 18:55:00

Ledkr that is appalling aftercare and not what you need after an op like that.
Having a friend with you sounds like a good plan. Hope that your GP is more helpful for you.

Ledkr Sun 05-Jan-14 19:38:58

I'm appalled at the lack of concern shown for my emotional state too.
I'm going to be speaking to pals tomorrow.
Thanks for support today.

Ledkr Sun 05-Jan-14 19:40:27

The hospital initially rl told me thereby or may not be some bleeding.
I don't think that indicates in any way that I will be filling toilet bowls do you?

gingeme Sun 05-Jan-14 19:43:29

Good evening ladies. Can I gate crash and ask why you ladies have had the op ? I was diagnosed with endimitriosis about 9 years ago and seemed to have tried everything suggested to relieve it but the past year it has been at its worst sad I have been told this operation is an option but I dont want to go to my gp to be offered yet another treatment that wont help. I have read up about it and have 2 friends that have had it but one was due to a collapsed womb and ovarían cáncer .

Waitingaround Sun 05-Jan-14 20:18:27

Hi Gingme- of course you can gate crash smile I had a total hysterectomy with both ovaries and tubes removed due to adenomyosis and endometriosis. It was the adenomyosis that clinched it for the surgeon, my insides were a total mess though and I required surgery on my bowel too. Feel much better now though!
.I think you should ask for a referral to a specialist.
Good Luck.

Kevinsbowel Sun 05-Jan-14 20:28:17

Hi fit flop, hi gingme,

ledkr, I am surprised at how heavy the bleeding is but you have kept your uterus which I didn't, so a hell of a lot of blood was removed during my operation and went straight into the incinerator along with the uterus; in your case, if the womb lining is shedding I guess it has to go somewhere.

Gingeme I had very heavy bleeding - think five super plus tampons and three towels a night for at least five nights each time- and was very anaemic. Turned out I was 32 weeks "pregnant" with a cluster of fibroids that had displaced the endometrium and was growing fast. At 52 I was likely to have the menopause soon, so I asked to have the ovaries and tubes done as well, having lost two friends to ovarian cancer.

I had keyhole surgery and made a fast recovery, partly I think as I also got a blood transfusion in theatre which got me back to normal iron levels. My body had adapted to low iron so it kind of celebrated.

fitflop I was done Saturday evening and went home Tuesday morning- partly I waited an extra day to see the surgeon who wasn't around until Monday late afternoon, partly we were trying to stabilise my blood pressure. The surgeon told me she gave me antibiotics in theatre, I didn't take any separately. I didn't have any infections.

I can recommend glue to seal the wounds rather than dressings, it's waterproof so you can have baths and also there is no way it is going to leak.

Kevinsbowel Sun 05-Jan-14 20:32:22

Ps gingme I can promise that if the womb and its lining are in the hospital incinerator, you most certainly won't be getting any more endometriosis. smile. I have to say I have loved loved loved not having periods from hell and I haven't had any regrets- but I also had an easy ride and much bet after are than ledkr in particular...

Perhaps it is the moment to confess that I used my work BUPA cover and went private blush I don't usually go private, but I couldn't wait six months with a 20% chance of cancellation, which was the alternative round here.

Kevinsbowel Sun 05-Jan-14 20:36:10

Sorry gingme, in detail I had womb, ovaries and tubes out but kept the cervix so that I had some chance of preserving my pelvic floor, all done by keyhole, with a blood transfusion ( just two units, but hey every little helps) . If you are very anaemic I can so recommend getting your transfusion done during the operation. You know nothing about it, and it gives a real boost to your recovery.

gingeme Sun 05-Jan-14 20:40:56

Thankyou. Yes I am very anemic and have very very heavy periods too. I could quite happily go to bed at 3 pm some days . Ive got 5 boys so definately havnt got more babies to worry about concievingwink . Ive Seen a gynea who bless her tried everything to relieve symptoms but just want it over sad

Kevinsbowel Sun 05-Jan-14 21:55:29

Well I haven't regretted it for one second. Do ask for a blood transfusion in surgery, you will wake up feeling fantastic. Even with the post OP stuff.

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 05-Jan-14 21:57:41

In your shoes I'd have a full hysterectomy gingeme

Hope ledkr is ok

Kevinsbowel Sun 05-Jan-14 21:59:10

I'd have a subtotal, ie keep the cervix, though.

Yes, poor ledkr sad

How Are you Santa?

Kevinsbowel Sun 05-Jan-14 22:00:05

Ps back to work tomorrow waaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

I have had to set the alarm, I am in shock, I haven't done that for seven weeks.

gingeme Sun 05-Jan-14 22:06:05

What are the differencies and advantages ? Do I just say I want ......?

Kevinsbowel Sun 05-Jan-14 22:09:21

Talk to a proper gynae surgeon. Ask your GP,to refer you to one. Keeping your cervix means that your pelvic floor is protected so you are less likely to end up as a smelly old lady. After five kids that's a consideration.

gingeme Sun 05-Jan-14 22:12:32

Lol thankyou. I definately dont want to be a smelly old lady for sure blush

gingeme Sun 05-Jan-14 22:13:55

Oh and good luck back at work brew

Kevinsbowel Sun 05-Jan-14 22:16:52

Thanks smile

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 05-Jan-14 22:22:01

I've lost my cervix but don't intend to be a smelly old lady. Well not this year wink

I discussed prolapse and cervix removal with surgeon and he said there is not enough evidence to suggest I should have kept it. Because I was having a prophylactic op re cancer I was ok with that. He did say he'd make sure it was stitched in well (whatever that means).

Good luck with work. I'm dreading it. How will I get out of the door by 8am!

gingeme Sun 05-Jan-14 22:27:45

What sort of waiting list should I expect ?

SantasPelvicFloor Sun 05-Jan-14 22:50:43

NHS Waiting times guide It should be 18 weeks from your referral letter into the consultant.

gingeme Sun 05-Jan-14 23:26:37

Well there you go. You learn something new every day smile

gingeme Sun 05-Jan-14 23:31:19

Thankyou and goodnight ladies. You have certainly put my mind at rest. I shall make an appt with my gp first thing.
Speedy recovery to you ALL thanks

Ledkr Mon 06-Jan-14 08:58:30

Morning all. It would seem that both leaks are a little better although I have just rang the gp and am awaiting a call back.
I feel pretty weak today, prob all the blood loss I should think. It's hard listening to dh trying to get the kids to school and nursery without helping but I think it's been ok.
<strains to hear if they've left>

SantasPelvicFloor Mon 06-Jan-14 09:20:04

That's good leaker but still poor that you've not been supported or reassured yet.

There are very few times in your life when you won't care for the children...take this opportunity

Ledkr Mon 06-Jan-14 09:30:20

Yes I will thanks.
I'm going to get up though for a few hours now they've all gone.

I meant to say, I also had a numb leg after the op (inner top thigh) fobbed off by Dr but it's still there so I'll ask the dr! I expect I'll be fobbed off again though.
That's not right though is is?

thekingfisher Mon 06-Jan-14 10:43:40

Ldkr it could be a little bit of nerve damage where incision were made . Although I had different op Total Ab Hyster ( am 6 weeks post -op wednesday) i still have completely numb areas especially all over my pubic area….

thekingfisher Mon 06-Jan-14 10:44:56

I start back at work too slowly today - i work from home and have started to get a few prompting emails from clients…. so am going to bite the bullet, however will have to manage them carefully before they run away with me. DS not back to school until tomorrow so I at least have that.

Ledkr Mon 06-Jan-14 11:52:12

God it's hard to imagine my work life feeling like this.
Good luck to all you who are back xx

SantasPelvicFloor Mon 06-Jan-14 15:56:13

Officially I'm not back for 10 days but I'm going to a meeting on Friday that is 4 hours drive round trip so pretty much a full day. I have to start the journey at 7am!!!!! How the hell will I manage this shock

It's rushing up very fast

Ledkr (apologies for spell checked leaker earlier....this time it wanted to call you leader) Don't even think about work. If you're not ready you will just stay off longer. End of

Ledkr Mon 06-Jan-14 16:22:30

I'm at the drs ��

AnotherStitchInTime Mon 06-Jan-14 16:23:38

Ledkr it is likely minor nerve damage and should improve. I had numbness in my left arm due to the IV cannula I had there and my neck and half my ear were numb due to the central venous line I had placed in there. Both are now fine, the numbness has now gone. Glad the leaks are a bit better, you might need an iron supplement if you have lost a lot of blood.

Santa that sounds ambitious, I hope you are recovered enough to cope with the journey.

Good luck with the slow return to work kingfisher

I am much better today, managed to do some washing up and cleaning of kitchen surfaces, good to feel like I can contribute a bit finally. DH has done everything cleaning and childcare wise for the last two months (I was in hospital prior to delivery from October) and is exhausted.

Kevinsbowel Mon 06-Jan-14 18:42:30

Well that was a bit tiring and I got a headache after three hours of back to back meetings smile. I am going to do 10 till 4 for the rest of the week, so I can switch the alarm clock back off, hurrah.

Need to rethink what I am going to do with my next ten years, lose loads of weight and get fit. Sort of new year resolution cum midlife crisis grin

Oh god the little one is back at school tomorrow, I wonder if there is any clean sports kit....

Kevinsbowel Mon 06-Jan-14 18:46:19

Hope ledkr is ok???

Ledkr Mon 06-Jan-14 19:18:59

Hi all.
We'll Dr was very nice and checked me over the site seems to have stopped oozing and he said he bleeding is more likely to be the uterus lining shedding after the sudden removal of oestrogen.
He has done my referral to super hrt woman too.
He also gave me some cream for my dermatitis which has flared up on my face.
He looks exactly like Saul from Homeland and my painkillers made me feel like telling him so, but I resisted.
The children seem pleased to see me up and dressed.

Ledkr Mon 06-Jan-14 19:19:52

Oh yes he said the numbness is nerve pressure from something, maybe blood pooling? Not worried said it will go off.

thekingfisher Mon 06-Jan-14 19:40:47

Glad to hear it was a positive meeting and obi a plus that he looks like major character from popular series…although I find Saul all a bit annoying he does a lot of looking into the distance and hhhhmmumphing…for my liking… But if he's a good Dr Excellent! smile

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SantasPelvicFloor Mon 06-Jan-14 20:06:29

That's good Ledkr. Hopefully you'll make improvements from now on but don't expect too much at all for two weeks at least.

10-4 sounds so civilised Kevin. That would be my new resolution but chance would be a fine thing!

shewhowines Mon 06-Jan-14 20:22:28

Welcome gingeme

Hopefully you have a bit more peace of mind now led Day 2 was definitely my worst. I turned a corner after day 3.

king and kevin take this work business very slowly please. I'm not surprised you are tired kevin

santa are you sure you are not being too adventurous. Can't you take the train?

another don't do too much. We can all testify it is easy to overdo it, without realising. How is the baby? Are you enjoying motherhood or has the whole experience been soured by how you feel?

Hi waiting and others who are now well on the road to recovery. Hi, twinkle and others on the waiting bench.

Ledkr Mon 06-Jan-14 20:35:51

Thanks lovely ladies ultra I do feel more positive although I do feel shattered now from being up and my exciting trip to the dr to see lookalikes.
I do find I know when my pain killers have run out.
I'm liking my special painkillers that make me feel happy grin

Kevinsbowel Mon 06-Jan-14 20:46:26

I only get 10 to 4 for this week, back to normal after.

DH has agreed that maybe I can retire at 62 instead of 67 though so only ten years to go....

gingeme Mon 06-Jan-14 21:44:21

I have made my first step. I have a gp appointment next Monday. Eek shock

dyzzidi Mon 06-Jan-14 21:48:19

Hi all

Im due to have a total hysterectomy and some surgery on my bowel on 7 feb! I have been ignoring it until I have got christmas out of the way but now reality is setting in and I'm very nervous. Ive had other surgeries but think the older I'm getting the more the dangers seem real. Im 35!

hope you can help me through this!

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 07-Jan-14 07:34:01

Dyzz. 35 is youthful. Seriously it really is! Imagine being 20... That's the difference between you and some of us. I think waiting for the surgery is hard.

gingeme I hope you get a good response from your Dr

Shew how are you now?

another don't do too much. All of you with young children and babies I really hope you've got help

Work I'd avoid if I could but it has to be faced at some point so I'm tiptoeing in. The Friday meeting is just in the wrong place. Someone else is driving there now so I might chat or sleep and arrive covered in dribble

Storms and a power cut here. (On iPad and battery). Modems just gone down then up however!!

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 07-Jan-14 07:34:45

How's your wounds today Ledkr?

Kevinsbowel Tue 07-Jan-14 12:22:00

hello dyzzidi, welcome.

I think probably you will get more grief from your bowel surgery than from the hysterectomy itself. Bowels seem to be the problem all round (my username for this thread is named after Kevin the Teenager Bowel). I needed very little pain relief- only paracetamol and a bit of diclofenac- but the trapped wind was unwelcome.

Are you having keyhole or open surgery?

You are nearly 20 years younger than i am, the surgeons will enjoy the change from ancient heaps like me ;)

Invest in comfy clothes (not trousers) and plenty of managing people's expectations of what you will do. And I would ask a lot about what to expect afterwards in terms of bleeding and pain, so you don't get what poor ledkr had, a lot of worry which turned out to be fine.

Gingeme, well done! i'd push for a keyhole expert if I were you. Keyhole is the business when it comes to recovery.

Ledkr Tue 07-Jan-14 13:20:34

Feeling a bit better again today thanks, it really is a day by day thing isn't it?
I felt very cross this morning as dh woke dd1 up at 7.30 then proceeded to get back into bed!
He had dd2 to get to nursery with a packed lunch and himself to get to work.
He eventually moved when dd2 cried then I heard them leave at 8.30.
Normal day for me, drop off dd1 as weather was awful straight to nursery for 8.45 then to work for 9.
Imagine my annoyance then when he returned with dd2 who wasn't ready for nursery who he then dressed in a dirty dress and hadn't brushed her hair when I went down.
He eventually left at 9.20' I'm bloody fuming, dd2 has been a little sad with everything going on and I feel she needs stability and getting to nursery late isn't great for her.
So I shouted "that's my sick leave over,all back to fucking normal now" as he stormed off.
He tried to blame being late on dropping dd1 off, nothing to do with getting back into bed no siree.
He's got tomorrow off but I see no point really, I may as we'll resume duties.

thekingfisher Tue 07-Jan-14 15:37:19

Poor you ledkr I think we have all had crappy dh/ dp moments - generally when the novelty of them being knight In Shining armour wears off and the reality of running the house comes in....(and they then realise how much we do) sympathies and just focus on resting and giving school lots of hugs this pm

Ledkr Tue 07-Jan-14 16:04:41

Thanks king that's so true about being the hero wearing off. Dh is great but can be a lazy so and so sometimes too.
He's not even text or rung today so he's obviously still in the right in his head!

AnotherStitchInTime Tue 07-Jan-14 16:20:30

Oh no Ledkr, that is not good and please do not resume normal duties too soon. Sit him down and write a list of all duties and timings he has to do, be the manager. My DH had a steep learning curve when I went into hospital 2 months ago, but he managed because it was sink or swim. I did have to write lists to prompt him though and now 2 weeks after my surgery I help out by setting out outfits, supervising dd1 dressing herself or doing their hair.

Welcome dyzzidi, youth is on your side. I am only 33. The gynaecologist who did my surgery was genuinely surprised at how well I was after surgery considering all the complications. I had an abdominal total hysterectomy and bladder surgery in addition. Like Kevin says the bowel took the longest in terms of recovery for me, take it very slow on introducing food, start on juices, smoothies and soups.

Took dd2 to playgroup today with DH, just sat around chatting, but still tired out so after doing an online food shop I am now Mnetting in bed.

Kevinsbowel Tue 07-Jan-14 16:45:31

No, no ledkr, you have to allow him to be a tiny bit crap at it. Don't take over, you need at least three weeks doing absolutely sod all. Your DD will have to be a bit late for nursery now and then, it's not the end of the world. We had a rubbish Christmas dinner as I didn't cook it, that's just how it goes.

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 07-Jan-14 17:05:54

Ledkr. Do not step into save him. He'll just expect that and try it on. You need to withdraw more if anything.

Kevinsbowel Tue 07-Jan-14 17:47:26

Remember the advice from the great Nigel Molesworth (actually in the adult son off by Simon Brett):

When your wife asks you to do something, do not refuse. This only leads to unpleasant consequences. Do it extremely badly, and you will never be asked to do it again. The response you are after is, "oh for goodness sake Nigel, it would be quicker to do it myself".

Let him do it badly. It won't matter all that much. It does matter if you don't get well.

Ledkr Tue 07-Jan-14 18:01:58

It gets worse, I have heard nothing all day from him not even a text, he was meant to be home at 5 knows I've nobody here tonight to help tonight.
So I just rang work to be told he's not even left as he is held up in the cells (copper) x
Obv can't always be helped but in the circumstances a phone call?
I'm beyond angry, I've had to do the kids tea and dd2 will need putting to bed soon, I've had to sit down as I feel weak.
I can't believe he would do this, he's usually the nicest bloke ever, I am seriously wondering is I can ever get past this let down and unconcern for me.

Ledkr Tue 07-Jan-14 18:53:58

I'm in bed now after my rant. Dh is home and been ticked off grin
I'm tired today, I got up and pottered around so I think I'm very tired, it's weird how feeble you feel isn't it?
Dh is off tomorrow so I will rest all day.

SantasPelvicFloor Tue 07-Jan-14 19:02:45

Aw Ledkr. That sounds really difficult for both of you but he needs to know you need help. It's not optional. Police will be allowed special leave. You're not asking him to not work but to make clear he has to leave on time. It's a one off situation. He needs to step up and put you not work first

Ledkr Tue 07-Jan-14 19:29:24

That's it exactly santas I'd bet my life that he hasn't even told them at work and they would be very good. He never tells anyone anything it was the same when our baby was ill, I told his sgt and she was brilliant.
He thinks he's being a god bloke but at what cost?

gingeme Tue 07-Jan-14 20:20:49

Kevinsbowel I shall push for keyhole. My DH is already organising my after care and I havnt even been to the gp yet. He had a quadruple heart bypass two years ago and had to be weighted on hand and foot When I said thats what it will be like for me I think it sank in what a big deal it will be shock

Ledkr Tue 07-Jan-14 21:07:38

ginge I think that's the problem with my dh! he's never been ill in his life so has no clue what it's like.
He's very sweet tonight, apologising and bringing me dinner and pudding in bed.

gingeme Tue 07-Jan-14 21:17:01

May be hes seen the error of his ways. Make the most of it. Im a self confessed control freak. Im dreading having to sit on my arse for however long and let DH do everything. Thats worrying me more than the actual op I think !!

Kevinsbowel Tue 07-Jan-14 21:22:39

I think you have to let them do it their way. Even if their way looks bad to you. Relax, and find your inner child smile it is surprisingly addictive.