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Pt 8 (Oct13) Any old prolapse! Uterus/womb prolapse, rectocele, cystocele, enterocele, urethrocele, incontinence, pelvic floor, anterior and posterior repair, TVT etc

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Bladderama Tue 01-Oct-13 18:12:29

Welcome to thread 8 (again - see below) of a long-running series of posts from ladies suffering from pelvic prolapses to support each other through the process of diagnosis, repair and recovery.

With apologies for confusion in thread numbers - an earlier thread was called part 7 but it was actually the 6th thread.

Here are the previous threads:

Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
Thread 4
Thread 5
Thread 6
Thread 7

Info from BBC Health

What is a pelvic prolapse?

As the muscles, ligaments and supporting tissues in the pelvis become weaker, they are less able to hold in the organs of the pelvis such as the womb (uterus) or bladder.

Gravity pulls these organs down and, in the more severe cases, may appear through the entrance to the vagina.

A variety of problems can occur, depending on where the weakness lies and which organs are able to descend, but in every case there is some degree of prolapse of the vaginal wall, which begins to invert (rather like a sock turning inside out).
Prolapse of the womb or uterus is the most common prolapse, affecting as many as one in eight older women to some degree
Prolapse of the bladder, known as a cystocele, is less common.
Prolapse of the urethra (the tube that carries urine out of the bladder) is known as a urethrocele.
Prolapse of the intestines is quite rare, and known as an enterocele or rectocele.

Symptoms

Symptoms depend on which tissues descend, and how severe the prolapse is.

They may include:
A sense of heaviness or pressure in the pelvis.
The appearance of a bulge of tissue in the genital area, which can be quite alarming, and is often red and sore.
Urinary problems, such as having to urinate more frequently, feeling the need urgently, being incontinent (losing control of the bladder) or, conversely, being unable to pass urine when you need to.
Pain in the pelvis or lower back.
Sexual problems, including pain and decreased libido.
Constipation.
Vaginal discharge or bleeding.

Treatment and recovery

Once a prolapse has developed, surgery to fix the affected organs is usually the only way to cure it effectively.

However, another option is to use a device known as a vaginal ring pessary. This is rather like a contraceptive diaphragm or cervical cap. It's made of silicone or latex, and placed in the vagina to push back the prolapsed organs and hold them in place. Many women happily manage their prolapse this way.

Bladderama Tue 01-Oct-13 18:15:37

Phew that took two attempts!

MrsClairet I had to have a second operation to sort out scarring on the back wall and closing a 'gap' and I do not regret it at all. Although I am still having problems it really helped. Be very clear with your consultant with what you want.

Musttidyup hope that your surgery went well today x

Noordinarygirl Tue 01-Oct-13 22:50:02

SACROPOLPOPEXY - due on 2nd Jan 14 - anyone had it done? I hear it's pretty rare and would like some feed back to know what to expect afterwards.....scared stiff....

abigboydidit Tue 01-Oct-13 23:23:41

Hi, can I join? Just spending another night crying in bed so thought I should be brave and ask for some support. DD was a VBAC but I had no natural urge to push and she was just sort of sitting going nowhere for over 2 hours. Ended up arriving by forceps lift out (I think. Though notes suggest otherwise?) and episiotomy. She's 8 months now and after an initial delay I am now seeing physio.

I am aware all the time of the falling feeling inside, although physio says my prolapse is very mild and that lax vaginal walls are my issue. I have no continence problems. Currently doing pelvic floor exercises and have a stimulator to use once every 2 days.

I feel just awful. Ruined. If I need to poo I feel it pushing inside me. I can't run or jump and carrying my toddler or playing with him makes the feeling worse. I don't seem to be improving and am terrified I will just have to accept this and live with it forever because it is "mild". Apologies as I haven't read the other threads as am feeling very self indulgent and depressed and worried they will scare me even more.

Sorry. That was a total rant.

gingeroots Wed 02-Oct-13 10:33:32

Just wanted to send hugs and flowers and brew abigboy ,until someone wiser comes along .

Is it mainly the poo side of things ? I wonder if some softening or bulking agent - Movicol or something gentle would help ?

It's a horrid ,horrid situation to be in .It's such hard work with a little one ,and you should be enjoying your time .
Perhaps you should go back to GP ,is there a more sympathetic one in the practice ?

Perhaps you need tests to more fully explore your condition ?
Physio might think it's mild ,but what are they basing that on ? Not your experience of it ,that's for sure .

Wishing you a better day .

PS Could hormones affect your condition ? Does it fluctuate at all ?

abigboydidit Wed 02-Oct-13 10:44:00

Thanks you. It's really just the falling feeling that gets me down. Otherwise I have no symptoms (the feeling that my vagina has collapsed in on itself doesn't count. In fact nothing other than actual incontinence seems to count and I am lucky I don't have that). Just constantly feel self aware and can't run after or play with my toddler the way I would like to. Physio are very supportive but no one else seems to get that I am so frightened that I may never get back to normal. I have just stopped breastfeeding and am hoping that may help. Recently started with a neurotrac stimulator physio programme but it doesn't seem to be having any effect hmm

mrsclairet Wed 02-Oct-13 13:31:42

abigboydidit I know exactly how you feel, to begin with I had the same as you, just a feeling of something not right, no incontinence or poo issues but then it got loads worse over the course of a year to the point where you could see a bulge at the entrance of the vagina. It made me feel so self conscious and makes me feel guilty because I can't do everything I want to do with my children. I had the op in May and it looks so much better which makes me feel much less self conscious but it still feels not right so I have got to go back to the consultant. I think it would be worth getting something done but obviously you have got to weigh up the risks etc and personally I wouldn't have it done until you don't have to lift the children anymore. I had help for the first 4 weeks but after that occasionally had to lift my DS into the bath, car seat etc and I don't think that helped with the healing.

Could you ask for a second opinion?

curlyclaz13 Wed 02-Oct-13 16:26:24

Hi can I join ? I had my ds 16 weeks ago delivered by forceps after pushing for what seemed forever then they said he had twisted and wasn't moving down. I have been to the doctors once at seven weeks post birth and she confirmed I have a prolapse from the back passage and to carry on with pelvic floor exercises and not to get constipated. Well easier said than done, I am eating better and using lactolose when I remember but still get constipated. The prolapse seems worse so I have been Brave and made another appointment with the doctor. What is likely to happen now ? I want to avoid an operation if at all possible.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 02-Oct-13 17:27:03

I am home from hospital. Have had a posterior repair and perrinopaphy (sp?). Feel ok. Not painful but very uncomfortable. Hoping the movicol and prune juice will work its magic soon as I'm sure I will be more comfortable after I've gone. Kids are lovely and being gentle at the moment but I'm sure they'll expect me back to normal tomorrow!

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 02-Oct-13 18:59:28

Hi curly. Are you doing your PFE's? Religiously? Hold for 10 really hard so you are exhausting the muscle. Do this 10 times then 10 short ones. Do this 5 times a day. Without fail! Probably won't fix it but may well stop it from getting worse hence avoiding surgery. Constipation really will make it worse so take the lactulose or fibre gel or flaxseed or whatever works for you. Fewer carbs and more fat works for me.

IDoAllMyOwnStunts Wed 02-Oct-13 19:05:19

Hi Musttidy - been wondering how you got on, hope you're taking it as easy as you can. Did you opt for to stay awake for the surgery? If so how did you find it? Look after yourself x

curlyclaz13 Wed 02-Oct-13 19:30:25

Thanks musttidy I am doing them but could do them more, sometimes it gets to bedtime and I realise I haven't done them blush I will try harder and keep at changing my diet.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 02-Oct-13 20:47:46

No stunts I had a general in the end - the anaesthetist basically said it was the safer option and that would only prefer to do a regional if someone had a bad reaction to generals or was too frail etc. would have done it but I was happy to go with his reccomendation. Was fine, cold and shakes after but that passed but couldn't bloody sleep last night which apparently is a side effect. Had a private room too so was expecting a grand sleep! Was v lucky to have own room and loo/shower etc. and someone bringing me tea and biscuits every couple of hours. Could get used to that! ;-)

IDoAllMyOwnStunts Wed 02-Oct-13 21:30:02

Ah well glad it all went well anyway, you did the right thing by going with the anaesthetist as they'd have known what was best for you. I remember I didn't want to leave my lovely hospital room. I was trying to relish every moment of the peace. It was so wonderful having all the nurses clucking round me, they were so kind. Think I was sobbing with gratitude at one stage shock or was it the thought of having to come home and deal with the kids grin
Take care and hope the op makes some vast improvements for you. I have sneezed quite a few times since my op, keep checking my pants after and not weed myself yet, life changing or what shock

abigboydidit Wed 02-Oct-13 21:53:22

Thanks MrsClaret I think they're waiting till physio has been exhausted before they hit me with the limited treatment options.. I won't be taking it lying down and am prepared for a fight. Prior to having kids I was someone who relied on exercise to de stress and boost my confidence so am finding the enforced sedentary lifestyle most demoralising.

lotsofquestions000 Wed 02-Oct-13 22:13:34

Hi really feel the need to join this thread although not very good with computers will try my best. Background - 45yrs, 3DS 16, 14,12 last 2 big babies over 9.5lb. Anyway to get to point am due to have rectocele surgery next week and absolutely petrified im doing the right thing - although something does need to be done as been having problems with BMs more and more often and can only get worse I guess!! But have read so many scare stories about painful/impossible sex, lumps and bumps etc - don't want to end up more deformed than am already. Also so mortified by it all I know I shouldn't be but don't really like to share the gory details with my nether regions with everyone!!. Anyway can anyone tell me if it is worth it in the end and how long will it take to feel normal?

Noordinarygirl Wed 02-Oct-13 23:11:29

lotsofquestions this is exactly how I am feeling about my impending surgery too. Am having sacropolpopexy on 2nd Jan and haven't yet found anyone who has actually had it done. Very apprehensive about problems afterwards etc etc and them poking around near my spine. I'm not normally a worrier about surgery but this one just makes me nervous.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 03-Oct-13 07:24:00

Hi lotsofquestions I'm 2 days post surgery for a rectocele repair so I'll let you know smile
Am feeling a bit tearful today. More pain than yesterday, feels like stitches are pulling and I feel achey. Normal?

Hi, just marking spot, will be back later, Lotsof - I had a successful rectocele repair this time last year.

Curly - I have an Iphone app called Kegel Trainer which flashes pre-set alerts at me to do my PFEs which I ignore quite often and then times you through them.

Musttidy - yes very normal, take it very easy. I found my sleep patterns were very disturbed for the first week or so, I basically just snoozed on and off round the clock. Take it very easy for the first couple of weeks especially, and listen to your body, if it aches or hurts, lie down and rest.

Lotsof - I'm glad I had my rectocele done, I was in daily discomfort and unable to run around with the DCs, stand for long periods, increasing problems with BMs, unable to keep a tampon in etc. It took about 3 months to fully recover as in able to sit comfortably on a hard chair for hours and or be on my feet all day without getting exhausted and a few more after that to get the PF back up to strength. I am still a bit lumpy and bumpy below, there is some scarring, and I still get the occasional twinge or ache, but on the whole everything is so much better. What never leaves is the fear of overdoing it and setting the whole thing off again though. I did some digging on the allotment on Tuesday and have been a bit achey down below, everything feels the same, but it is worrying, it wasn't really all that strenuous. I still have a mild cystocele, so the aim is also not to make that any worse. Do ask if you have any more specific questions.

gingeroots Thu 03-Oct-13 10:32:37

I know this is obvious ,but I'm always thinking my advice is invaluable blush .Not .

Just be careful you're doing the exercises correctly and have had a physio check them out with you .

Hugs to everyone suffering .

lindamagoo Thu 03-Oct-13 11:59:08

Hi ladies, well my operation day is nearing! Going in on Monday for a posterior repair, terrified to say the least, but hopefully all will go well

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 03-Oct-13 12:15:48

Thanks whoknows. I had a bath which felt soooo good. Stitches don't hurt in water. Then a good air dry then fell back asleep for four hours!

Westcountry Thu 03-Oct-13 13:30:40

Sadly I didn't get to see the surgeon who did my op , my pain got worse and worse and I ended up at A&E in agony , after a week in hosptial it has been decided I have nerve damage , I'm on all kind of narcotic painkillers and nobody seems to have any answers, I'm devastated and in pain every day , I'm told to wait and see if the nerve gets better . I didn't know that this surgery could leave me like this , don't know if ill be able to work and as sex is not possible due to pain I don't know how my marriage will go ... I wish I never had the op I the first place it was the worst decision of my life . Today I'm seeing a nerve pain specialist to help with my quality of life and see if he has any suggestions for how to proceed , I first thought that there must be a way to fix it if surgery caused it , but it's not that simple . Has anyone heard of this happening before ?

lotsofquestions000 Thu 03-Oct-13 18:56:40

Thanks all for getting back to me - I think this is going to be a sanity saver for me! loads of questions - still - really worried about the lifting - the 6 weeks will be bad enough but I also like gardening allotment etc and will be scared to do digging etc. At least having it done this time of year means that hopefully I will be back to full working order by the time spring comes. My consultant said that I would still need to be careful for a few months but could then carry on life as normal but it seems even the experts have different opinions, I guess we will have to see how how our bodies respond when the time comes.
I know what you mean about tearful, I am only just holding it all together at work and at home. With 4 boys in the house I havent really gone into too much detail about forthcoming op (just makes me cry anyway!!!) and am too embarrassed to discuss much with other girly mates they just say things like the Drs know what they are doing (but its not their fanjo's - great word!! that are about to be sliced open is it!) why am I the only one amongst so many mums I know with this issue - its not fair is it?
On lighter note cant wait to see how my family manage without their organ grinder in operation doing all the household stuff she normally does and sitting on backside (will I be able to do that??) looking at computer screen instead, it will be like role reversal! Also what is the max recommended lifting weight for the 6 weeks - hopefully an iron is too heavy but this laptop wont be!!!!

lotsofquestions000 Thu 03-Oct-13 19:25:57

Whoknows - I think that is why I'm so panicy now as mine hasnt really caused me too many issues except with BMs and even then its not all the time as I generally have a good bowel, but its when I go away and have slightly different routine then things are much worse - if you know what I mean. The other thing is the sex side of things, has never been that great since last child, my DH has been great and not really mentioned it much but I know that I can barely feel him inside me no matter how hard I squeeze, so not much fun for him either, which has meant sex has dwindled over the years and that was one of the reasons I saw GP to get an op referral, as things could be so much better and now the kids are older, we have a bit more energy for that sort of thing again, but if neither of us are enjoying it much there's not much incentive!

Westcountry Thu 03-Oct-13 20:59:54

Please look at my post , if I stop one women ending up like me then I'm happy , I would give anything to even have sex again even if I was loose as anything at least I could orgasm , now I can not do either ! I have a very tight vagina though as the nerve screams every day it makes all my Muscles spasm , I don't want to scare anyone but nobody told me this could happen if they had I would never of taken the risk

Noordinarygirl Thu 03-Oct-13 21:39:33

Westcountry - what op did you have exactly?

Westcountry Thu 03-Oct-13 22:02:51

Anterior and posterior pelvic floor repair for mild prolapse , with very good surgeon

lotsofquestions000 Thu 03-Oct-13 22:15:49

Westcountry - oh god thats making me scared again - how old are you if I can ask? Also how long ago did you have it done.

lotsofquestions000 Thu 03-Oct-13 22:28:41

Whoknows- first I dont think I'm using this site properly as I dont really know what I'm doing so if you can tell me how to get to this current thread easily through mumsnet that would be great. Sorry to be personal but when you say lumps and bumps is it really noticeable - or just to you. Its that sort of thing that I think I'm scared about most, but you still say you are glad you had it done, so is it that bad?

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Fri 04-Oct-13 06:24:57

lotsof select the 'threads I'm on' link at the top of the page and it will be there.

Westcountry Fri 04-Oct-13 08:16:43

I am 40 I had the op in June , thankfully even though I have had very bad luck , I've had a stroke of good luck and am under the care of a team of nerve doctors in bristol , they are one of very few people in the country who help with this , I am hoping that in a year or two I may get back to normal , I just wish I'd have known this can happen , when I signed and there was a thing a about nerve damage , I was told its very rare and would mean numbness , it is rare but it happens , and I don't have numbness I have the worst pain ever , I take loads of drugs - I have since found that I am not the only one , there's several I have spoken to who this happened to this year - I never thought or knew this could happen to me . I know it might not be great to post about this on this board and it might scare people , loads have the op and are fine , loads its a common procedure , but I feel I have to tell my story - like I said my prolapsed were very mild I could easily have lived with them , given the choice I would turn back the clock xx

I'm so sorry to hear your story Westcountry - I too was not made fully aware of the possibility of pain through nerve damage. I'm glad you are under the care of a good team now. I think it's fine to post your story on here, we have a mix of good and bad outcomes between us, what I wouldn't want to see is general scaremongering based on unsound research or statistics, but personal stories are valuable.

I have posted this link before, but there is a great group on FB for those with prolapses, it is private so only members can see your posts, there are professional gynae physios etc on there too it might be worth a look and ask if anyone there has suffered similar and has any suggestions, there are more people in the group than posters on here. FB group

LackaDAISYcal Fri 04-Oct-13 16:05:55

Marking my place again. Was on this thread a while ago and have seen gynae and had physio and lost some weight and it's made no real difference to my symptoms and I was discharged from the physios as I had the temerity to cancel an appointment due to a poorly child. In fact I think I know have a degree of uterine prolapse as well as my anatomy feels very strange indeed; my cervix feels very low and as though there is a ring around it (if that makes any sense at all) and going to the loo is becoming more and more difficult as it seems to be blocking my rear passage. I also had a mirena coil fitted in february after polyp removal and though things in that dept were better to begin with, I've now been bleeding since the beginning of August. I am right royally hacked off and can't have sex at all. If my husband goes near me I either bleed like a stuck pig or wee on him blush Bless him he has the patience of a saint, but even saints have their limits!

Just want things to be normal and sorted with a degree of normality. I know though that they will say I have to lose more weight and will probably send me away with a flea in my ear. BMI is 32. I am struggling with weight loss since having the mirena though.

Sorry for the rant and moan, but I guess if anyone will understand it will be women on here!

Off to catch up with a few stories and see how things are for those of you I remember from previous threads.

Westcountry Fri 04-Oct-13 16:16:50

Whoknows , have you some nerve pain too ? I'm on a bit of a mission with this as there is a nerve that can be damaged and none of the surgeons seem to know about the consequences of this and so some with chronic nerve pain are just referred to pain clinics and told to hang on till it goes away , I shudder to think how hard that must be , but there are people that can help ... When I am better i shall be raising money for a charity that helps people with this pain I am so grateful to have found the team that are helping me , I have gone from hopeless and suicidal to having hope and support anyone else who stumbles upon this who has nerve pain can pm me and I will happily share my story in more detail.

Hi Westcountry - no, I haven't got pain, sorry if my post was misleading, I just meant no one said this was a possibility. I have had sciatica in the past so know a iittle bit how it feels but nothing long term. Well done for thinking in terms of campaigning and fundraising for others.

LackaDaisycal - welcome back, how frustrating being discharged like that.

lotsofquestions000 Fri 04-Oct-13 19:48:23

Musttidy - thanks for that, I manage to get here eventually but hopefully I will be able to work that better, just a technophobe, guess I will be quite proficient after doing nothing else for 6 wks. How are you feeling today - any better? Now I've convinced myself that the op itself will be ok, I'm now worrying how I will cope with 6 weeks of doing nothing!!!! seems like an impossible thing to do. Am borrowing DVDs and got lots of books so will try and just chill while chaos descends around me lol.

lotsofquestions000 Fri 04-Oct-13 19:57:54

Westcountry - I agree with whoknows - it is good to hear the good and the bad it helps us to make an informed decision. I dont know if it is me but the cons seemed to play down any poss problems. He said 1 in 10 can find sex uncomfortable after and tend to have to be 'creative in their lovemaking' I really wanted to ask him for more specifics! but was too embarrassed!!!! I am kind of thinking that I should just get it over and done with, if I cancelled then it would play on my mind that things could get much worse and no time is a good time to put your life on hold for 6 weeks plus I guess. At least my children are technically old enough to do things without me, I don't know how you ones with young children cope with them and recovering it must be near impossible!

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Fri 04-Oct-13 20:59:04

Day four and feeling a little better today. Less exhausted although I'm sure my arse is leaving an imprint in the sofa as I',m on that or in bed. Keeping up the painkillers is keeping it all under control. Have had 2 very restful days as the children have been at school and nursery but think the weekend will be more tiring although my lovely friends are taking them off our hands tomorrow afternoon so DH can do some work and I can do done more sitting around smile. I thought it would be hard to do nothing but at the moment it isn't - I couldn't do much even if I wanted to. People have been lovely and brought dinners / picked up the children etc I am very lucky and very grateful. Have more if an appetite today and am wary of turning into a biscuit munching couch potato and putting back on the weight I battled so hard to lose.

lotsofquestions000 Fri 04-Oct-13 22:15:21

MustTidy - that is yet another one of my worries (although I probably should make it the least important one) but I have recently lost about a stone in weight its taken a long time and I needed to - partly motivated by the thought of just how big I would get if I couldnt exercise and was sat around all day, but I am now getting to a weight that I'm feeling happier with and feeling better about that than I have in years and I am inevitably going to pile it back on and be back at square one! Indulgent I know, but is a very annoying thought. God - worries worries worries!!

Noordinarygirl Sat 05-Oct-13 09:35:41

Me to lotsof. Currently lost a stone with Slimming World and feels masses better. Would like to get another stone off before op on Jan 2nd. My thinking exactly - just how much is going to go back on when you are not allowed to do anything. I've been told about 7 weeks off work and then 6 months lifting nothing more than 5kgs....OMG how the hell I'm going to manage that? 4 teenagers, a partner who works all mad hours and a garden that I adore working in. I did go back to work way too early after my sub-total hysterectomy last year which could have been the reason that I'm now needing further surgery. Lesson learned but it'll be very, very difficult for me to not do a thing.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Sat 05-Oct-13 12:32:00

Well I bloody well weighed myself this morning and have put on at least 5lbs which seems extraordinary as I ate nothing on Thursday. I sincerely hope it's just because my bowels are so lazy.
I am so going to suffer with not being able to run/zumba and am thinking about swimming until I'm fully recovered. Anyone know when it's safe to start?(obviously it's the last thing I want to do right now I can barely be bothered to make myself a coffee).
A trying hard to not be fed up with DH. I know he has a lot to do and the kids are demanding (kind) but he's so bloody huffy and puffy. Grrrrr.

lotsofquestions000 Sat 05-Oct-13 19:20:41

MustTidy - yeh that is the trouble we do so much with running the house without even thinking about it don't we, don't think the DH have a clue until put into a position like this and mine goes away a lot too and I too have garden I love. think the swimming when the time is right is a good plan I hate swimming and love the more active stuff but will have to wait some time for that. The things we go through for our little cherubs hey!
Noordinary -is it that long before we can lift much oh god that's going to be hard, I am always lugging stuff around - think my food shopping bags weigh more than that

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Sat 05-Oct-13 19:35:59

Today he was telling me how tired he is and how blocked up his nose is. I'm ashamed to say I said well come here and let me cut open and stitch up your ball sack and it'll take your mind off it.
Sorry I'm not normally that crude, but, really???

lotsofquestions000 Sat 05-Oct-13 19:43:05

totally agree!! and haven't had it done yet!!

lotsofquestions000 Sat 05-Oct-13 19:57:46

On another note girls, what have you told your kids and work about this? I've kept mine simple to DCs by just saying some of my tummy!! muscles got damaged when pregnant and need fixing so I think they assume my tummy is being cut open - hope they don't ask to see scar!!?! As for work - its all women I work with so I have gone into specifics, kind of wish I hadn't really but just found myself feeling I had to justify why I would be signed off for 6 weeks. They have been quite understanding, and at least it stopped them asking questions which 'm sure they would of done otherwise, and lets face it we all know how babies come out and now we also know that this can be a consequence for those unfortunate ones. Just cringe worthy though.
How do I use the smiley list?

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Sat 05-Oct-13 20:03:26

Type what you want in square brackets, see options below.
I told my DCs that the doctors were putting things back into the right place and didn't elaborate. Youngest 2 are too little to notice or care but DS1 said to me tonight what happens if your cut 'down there' comes open so I told him it had some stitches and it won't and don't worry but I'm going to make time to talk to him tomorrow and see if he has any questions as don't want him confused.
A couple of people at work know why I am off and I guess the others put two and two together if you don't go into detail?

lotsofquestions000 Sat 05-Oct-13 20:14:30

thanks MustTidy - learning all the time eh smile

lotsofquestions000 Sun 06-Oct-13 08:27:12

Hi lindamag - I will be thinking of you tomorrow - hope all goes well - keep me posted when you can - I go in for mine on Friday - petrified!

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Sun 06-Oct-13 11:01:08

Good luck tomorrow Linda

Footle Sun 06-Oct-13 11:20:02

lotsofquestions, of course you should tell people about it ! Someone was saying upthread that she was the only one among her friends having this sort of problem. Oh no she isn't - or if she is , it won't be for long. The problem is lack of openness about prolapses and other damage. It's very common indeed.

jcakec Sun 06-Oct-13 12:17:57

Good luck to those of you about to undergo operations this week. I am now 4 weeks post op for a rectocele repair. i can say I was terrified and kept putting off having it done and thought I was going to run away right up to when they put me under (the anethetist was so kind and understanding and made me more relaxed - unlike the surgeon on the day, who was not the consultant that I had been seeing, she was very abrupt and demanded to know why I was having it done at my age (49) as I was too young and it would just return in a few years and I'd be back again for more surgery, like it was something I just felt like having done on a whim!) Anyway sorry got a bit sidetracked there - the op was fine and felt ok afterwards, I was in for 2 nights and quite enjoyed being looked after. constipation was and still is a big problem even though I take stuff everyday for it. I would just stress the need to take it very easy, I have had a lot of pain which has made me not do too much, a friend of mine had it done earlier in the year and felt very little pain so started doing too much and the prolapse returned quite quickly. I still can't sit comfortably and ache if I stand too long, I am also getting pains in my bum and when I do the pelvic floor excercses it hurts - has anyone else had this problem?

mrsclairet Sun 06-Oct-13 19:20:46

Hi I have tried posting on the facebook closed group but have to say you seem a lot friendlier and more supportive here, I felt a bit like I was being interrogated by some people over there!

I have arranged to see a consultant privately who it says on his internet page specialises in the treatment of women where previous prolapse operations have failed so I feel a bit more hopeful that he may be able to sort me out but I have to wait until the 14th before he can see me. But if he does manage to sort me out I have done all this off my own back and had to pay £250, then I don't know if he will be able to treat me on the NHS or I will have to pay. But I won't know anything till the 14th so Iknow I just have to wait!

Bladderama Sun 06-Oct-13 20:35:41

Musttidyup hope that you are resting up and recovering well x

Lindamagoo will be thinking of you tomorrow, the waiting is the worst bit.

JCake that is awful what the surgeon said to you just prior to your surgery]. 4 weeks is also very soon and I did still have lots of pain is various places when standing for 12-14 weeks. Try and listen to your body and get plenty of rest you still have a long way to go be fully healed.

Westcountry so very sorry to hear that things have not gone well for you, that sounds horrendous what you have been left with. I was aware that there could be pain after surgery from scarring but not from nerve damage. Hope that you get some help from the right Dr soon and I also agree that it helps to hear all outcomes from these consultations/surgeries. This thread has made me realise that advice is very very varied as is the types of treatment available and success of the treatments.

Lotsofquestions I did not tell anybody other than my DH what surgery I was having, so not friends, family or work. I did discuss it with the Occupational Health team at work so that they could sort out a phased return. But I have had to confide in a team manager in the last few weeks because I am really struggling with being on my feet again. The dragging back ache kicks in after about 30 minutes. I am gutted after being pain free for a year. I have changed my work load to help and I wish that I had told them at the beginning then maybe I would not have over done things this year.

Mrsclairet I hope that all goes well on the 14th, it is very common to see a private consultant and then be added onto their NHS list, and very positive that they specialise in prolapse troubles.

Bladderama Sun 06-Oct-13 20:53:32

mrsclairet I am also seeing my consultant on 14th so will join you in the waiting!

kianaidan Sun 06-Oct-13 21:20:43

Curly - Could I ask is your prolapse a rectocele or rectal prolapse through the back passage. I have rectal prolapse and struggling fpr advise.as seems very rare.

lotsofquestions000 Mon 07-Oct-13 08:40:43

jcake - thanks for that - it is a terribly big decision to have this done anyway, like you said we would hardly get it done on a whim. It is a scary thought that it could return in the future anyway - the thought of going through this twice is horrendous but Im just kind of thinking that we will never know that one way or the other if we dont get it done and also how much of a worse state would we be in if we didnt get it done. I'm thinking of having a sex change and becoming a man instead - that would solve the problems lol!. I just want to return to a) normal and b) being able to have an active and full life in the future - so as with you all fingers crossed and pray for good outcomes

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Mon 07-Oct-13 14:21:20

Have been so uncomfortable for a couple of days with very itchy and stingy stitches, couldn't sleep last night. Spoke to gp this morning who has prescribed some magic cream! It's cannestan HC and even one application has made the world of difference. Hurrah!

Noordinarygirl Mon 07-Oct-13 20:33:40

Very ticked off this evening. My pessary ring, which is meant to hold my cervix up, has dropped again and feels very uncomfortable. Have had to go back to have it changed twice already. The last time I went it felt much better - I couldn't even really feel it was there. Sadly, whatever I've done in the last day or so has dislodged it and it feels bloody horrid now. Very grumpy and very pissed off with it all now. Op isn't until 2nd Jan and can't take much more of it all falling out! Sorry for the moan people.

Mandz07 Mon 07-Oct-13 21:50:23

Hi everyone, I wrote here a while ago looking for people to talk to that where going through the same thing or similar as myself and had some great advice. It's been a while since iv posted anything ( trying to be brave and keep it all to myself) but after 3 years of test I find out the end of this month if I am going to have a colostomy bag fitted and I'm terrified that l will have to and that it will be permanent! The specialist told me the only way they will know if it will be permanent is to have it done then a few months later they may be able to remove large intestine and my bowel will only use the small intestine. After all this time I should be happy that they are finally doing something that should improve my health an my life but I am terrified. Sorry all I know I have rambled on it just seemed to help to write it all down xx

Noordinarygirl Mon 07-Oct-13 21:59:34

OMG Mandz, what is your 'back story'? It sounds terrible for you. I send you all my cyber hugs and hope things go the way you want eventually. Try to keep smiling.....we're all here to support you.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Mon 07-Oct-13 22:39:23

That's awful noordinarygirl how long wil you have to wait to have it refitted? It must drive you crazy. Is it worth trying to get your op brought forward?
It is so much a lottery with where you are isn't it? I was offered my operation pretty much straight away if I wanted it but they were happy to let me have 6 months so home circumstances would be more settled. I appreciate how lucky I've been when I hear other stories on here.
linda I hope all went well yesterday and you are not suffering too much.

kianaidan Tue 08-Oct-13 08:16:00

Mandz I.m so sorry you.ve had such an awful time. Not sure if it would help but on youtube there was an embarrassing bodies segment where a lady talked about her colostomy bag which was permanent (yours I.m sure will be tempirary. Anyway she was very smart young the bag didn.t look that bad and tucked nicely under her clotges. She explained she stil goes swimming, doesn.t smell etc. She said people with.bags have a saying bag or box as in order tov live they need the bag. I wish u healing thoughts and hopefully now after a 2 yr wait ur on the road to recovery x

lotsofquestions000 Tue 08-Oct-13 10:24:43

Oh Mandz - poor you. I really do hope you get everything sorted out and it is not permanent.

Noordinary - I can imagine how you are feeling. I was given a pessary to try - felt amazing 'light' until it came out the next day, didn't bother again after that. So have been going round for the 8 months feeling uncomfortable. That was my choice though as wanted the op done this time of year. Try to think positive that Jan isnt that far away, and the distraction of xmas and the planning required for it will make it go quicker. take care all

Noordinarygirl Tue 08-Oct-13 19:46:28

Having the pessary not in the right place feels awful. Like a heavy weight inside low down. I can go to a walk-in clinic on Thursday and hopefully they'll put it back where it should be.

I can't get the op brought forward as it's the first free slot they have on the consultants list that's long enough. Anyway my older daughter bought me tickets to see War Horse in Manchester at the end of November and I'm not missing that for the world - the tickets are like rocking horse pooh and we hope to do some Christmas shopping and stay overnight too. I'm determind that this thing doesn't stop me doing what I want to, as far as possible. Me and my partner both work in a theatre and he'll be up to his neck in 'It's behind you' etc for 42 performances! So actually if I can get this pessary sorted out for a few more weeks I'll be OK. Positive thinking is the way forward now after having felt pretty rubbish for a while.....onwards and upwards and fingers crossed for Thursday.

abigboydidit Wed 09-Oct-13 08:45:00

Hi folks. I've been trying with the Neurotrac stimulator for the past week so am hoping they will see some improvement at next physio appt. To ask a naive question, does anyone ever manage to get their walls/floor strong enough to live without discomfort (being able to run or do high impact exercise) without surgery? I just wonder if am delaying the inevitable hmm

Footle Wed 09-Oct-13 11:49:05

Someone posted on this thread in the last month or so about buying her own ring pessary online because the NHS one was too uncomfortable or didn't stay in. She was very happy with the new one. You might search for the link she posted, or just for the site ?

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 09-Oct-13 13:42:26

abigbiydidit I had pelvic physio for a year and made PF stronger and prolapses no worse but didn't make them better. Think it stopped me from felling I was going to wet whilst running /high impact exercise though. So maybe Improved the cystocele but not rectocele? My cystocele is mild though and they didn't touch it when I had op.

McKTastic Thu 10-Oct-13 10:25:32

Hope it's ok to post here. I've read a few bits of threads over the last few weeks & would really appreciate some advice. When I opened this thread to post it abigboydidit's first post struck home.

I had a vbac 14weeks ago. Baby flew out - no pushing but second degree tear. Had awful problems with piles in immediate weeks after. On the whole these are better but BM could prob improve with diet. My period seems to have returned (when DS was 10 & a half weeks. I'm BFeeding as I did with my first baby. I had 16 glorious period free months then so am peeved at that one!) Second one should be imminent.

I have had really bad pelvic pain since birth of DS. GP told me at my 6 week check to take paracetamol & it should improve over time. It hasn't so far. I saw a different GP yest as I've now been having the dragging feeling down below - it feels like a tampon is stuck & being pulled out. I have a feeling of fullness too. It may well be that it's hormone related but I've been aware of the feeling for at least the last five weeks. It's now pretty constant, uncomfortable & occasionally prevents my bladder from emptying fully.

I've looked in the mirror & sometimes it looks like there's round lumps where there weren't any. Internally it feels much as it did though hmm I haven't DTD since having baby partly bce I have no desire (happened first time too) & now bce I'm terrified I'll hurt myself.

GP said all feels fine/ Uterus well supported/ might be a v slight prolapse at the front ?!?/ 'you're never the same after a vaginal birth' & need to do more pelvic floor exercises. I asked about physio - she didn't think there was much point as physio can't be with me all the time I do my exercises ?!?

I was v uncomfortable last night, didn't sleep much & had to dose up again on ibuprofen & paracetamol. I know it's early days & I'm hopeful it's just a 'more time' thing BUT it's getting me down now & terrified that it's actually going to get worse not better.

I know I'm not long post birth, I have a shed load of weight to shift, thyroid issues, virtually zero core muscles & getting used to the joys of period pains again but I would be very grateful if in your experience I should accept what GP has said & 'wait & see' or what I can do to take it further/get more advice & support at this stage.

Apologies for the length/self indulgence of this post.

Hope everyone who is suffering gets to a better place soon. There are some very strong, inspirational women on this thread.

lotsofquestions000 Thu 10-Oct-13 10:35:55

abigboy - my GP just looked at me and said that no amount of PFs would fix it and that I needed surgery

RainInTheSky Thu 10-Oct-13 15:14:04

McKTastic, Your GP is incorrect. A good physio may well help you do your pelvic floor exercises better. I just saw one and she used an ultrasound to make sure I was doing them correctly. I was actually able to see my bladder moving slightly back in the right direction and I could refine the movement I was making to get the maximum effect. She also assessed the state of my pelvic floor muscles and gave me lots of good advice.

For example my pelvic floor muscles are so weak I can only do exercises effectively lying down until they get stronger. The physio also said that 60% of the women she treats will improve their prolapses enough not to need surgery which is also very encouraging. I had thought the percentage was going to be 0%!

That said I also saw a physio on the NHS a few weeks ago and they were rubbish. They gave me some bad advice to do pilates classes which I think made my symptoms worse as my pelvic floor was too weak to cope with it. That isn't a comment on NHS physio versus private physio, just to say that the quality of physiotherapists and their expertise in this area obviously varies. You need one who specialises in women's health.

If you live in London then PM me and I will let you know the name of the physiotherapist I have been to see in case they can help you too.

RainInTheSky Thu 10-Oct-13 15:33:39

MckTastic, Also if you are having pelvic pain insist on being referred by your GP to a Urogynaecologist or a Gynaecologist for a check to make sure nothing else is wrong.

For example I had a second degree tear after the birth of my son 11 weeks ago and have had various unpleasant symptoms since. The urogynaecolgist I have seen suspects I may have had a third degree tear during the birth rather than a second degree tear and is sending me for tests to find out.

My GP (although lovely and kind and helpful) didn't pick up on this at all during my 6 week check and thought that aside from a bit of a prolapse everything looked fine.

The problem is that GPs aren't experts in this area. They could have a six week post natal check, a kid with a snotty nose, someone with MS and an elderly person with dementia to see in the course of an hour. It is impossible for them to know everything about all these different areas of medicine.

kianaidan Thu 10-Oct-13 15:59:52

I used a private physio Jenny Heron at Physiofit Leeds she wss fab. Now on nhs physio and only had 1 appt but she didn.t even chk me and the scheduled next appt for another month away! Raininthesky - I.m 12wks pp and fear I may have torn more than they predicted and also my stitches came out. Docs habe said its healed fine and no neef to restotch bit it feels so open. Also been diagnosrd with mild prolapse but fear I may have an internal rectal prolapse also.

mrsclairet Thu 10-Oct-13 21:24:13

'm not really expecting anyone to reply to this as it's a bit rambly but I need to get it off my chest.
Owww I am in so much pain, I have had 2 episodes of this now, it feels like a burning stinging pain and it feels like everything is 'swollen' down below. The first time I ended up on 3 lots of antibiotics but I actually think it's thrush, when the test they sent off to the lab came back there was no infection. I have taken a canesten oral, it has been 24 hours now and it doesn't feel any better. I am supposed to be having a biofeedback session tomorrow but really can't face it, I could cancel it but they would charge me £25 as it's a private hospital or I could phone and say I'm ill but have already done that once so not sure if they would believe me!

Has anyone else had this? I remember someone saying they had been put on a low dose of thrush treatment for a while. I am wondering about coming off the pill as I have read somewhere that can make you more prone to thrush. It's actually worse than the prolapse symptoms! But also I have got a kidney stone and someone I spoke to said that was the most painful thing ever and they could feel it move through so it could be that but then I have got a discharge and it's a bit itchy which I don;t think you'd get with a stone. I guess I will have to wait till monday and see what the consultant says.

summertimeandthelivingiseasy Thu 10-Oct-13 23:04:41

mrsclaret, you seem to be having a rotten time. I had similar symptoms which I thought were infections and turned out to be lack of oestrogen, after coming off the pill and meno. This does not seem to be the case with you. I have also had a kidney stone, which was acute (ie hell for 24 hours) and it also came with infection, but I think that was waterworks only.

Do you have a geneto-urinary/STI clinic at your local hospital? They usually know much more about these things (not necessarily sti related) and can test for more things. May be worth it if there is a drop in clinic in the morning. (This was recommended by a friend who had a problem the GP had trouble getting to the bottom of).

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 10-Oct-13 23:23:19

Good luck to lotsofquestions for tomorrow x

mrsclairet Fri 11-Oct-13 07:20:47

Thanks summertime. It is feeling a little bit better this morning so I think it must be thrush. I have got my ds in preschool only for the morning so I can't do that today and I think I should prob go to the biofeedback session as that's what the consultant told me to do and I am seeing him next Friday. He told me when I had my 6 week check up to do my pelvic floor exercises and he would see me again in 3 months so I want to make sure I have done those, then he can't turn around and say well you're still having problems cos you haven't done your pelvic floors!

McKTastic Fri 11-Oct-13 14:01:48

Thanks Raininthesky & kianaiden unfortunately I'm opposite end of the UK!

Will be looking into options though. Am going to buy a neurtrac toners meantime just to make sure I'm exercising properly. Really hope it's just a case of strengthening/more time. The 'bulgy' feeling is awful sad Has been worse in bed last two nights esp lying on my side.

FHS Fri 11-Oct-13 15:45:24

Think I've got a proplapse sad

Today, something felt a bit strange down below and when I psyched myself up to have a feel, I could feel something spongy inside me shock It doesn't feel 'normal' (familiar with my insides as used a diaphragm for a while and fairly certain it wasn't my cervix -was VERY low).

I kind of pushed it back up & although that didn't hurt, I've had gripey/ period pains on and off since.

Could it be a fibroid? Have made GP appt for Monday, so hopefully will get some idea soon. sad sad

abigboydidit Fri 11-Oct-13 18:14:31

McKtastic - are you in Scotland? I am and my (NHS) physio is lovely and very hands in on confused

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Fri 11-Oct-13 19:08:43

Where abouts was it FHS?

McKTastic Fri 11-Oct-13 21:07:52

abigboydidit have pm'd you smile

FHS Fri 11-Oct-13 22:35:06

I think it was quite low down in the vagina MustTidy

LackaDAISYcal Sat 12-Oct-13 01:48:10

Got my gynae appointment through today for 20 November. I could have played my DH's company health insurance card and got it quicker, but I'm hoping that I can do that to speed up surgery once I see the consultant.

Things much worse. When on the loo the other day, I could feel my cervix almost at the the entrance to my vagina and tbh I think the only thing keeping it in there is the cystocele. Still bleeding too. So fucking fed up with it all. DH is grumpy cos he hasn't had any attention for months, but what does he expect me to do? Other than give him hand/blow jobs. Not exactly top of my agenda when feeling this shit and worried, but he doesn't seem to grasp this.

Re NHS physios. I don't think that they are rubbish per se, I just think their hands are tied with NHS red tape. The NHS doesn't appear to want to do or is able to do anything until they have exhausted non surgical procedures. So the physios see a stream of women for whom physio will have either no or a minimal effect, but have to go through the motions knowing that they will be referred for surgery eventually. Why they can't speed up the process I have no idea, especially given the psychological effect these issues have on women (myself included)

My main worry is if I do end up with surgery, how we will afford it. I only get SSP and am currently not in a position to weather a 65% drop in my wages for an unspecified time. I'm a careworker and its quite a physical job at times, so I can forsee the maximum time off work.

Sorry for the moan blush; I have had wine, and DH and I had an argument earlier sad

LackaDAISYcal Sat 12-Oct-13 01:52:13

FHS, was it to the front or back? If so, it may be a cystocele/rectocele. My cystocele feels like ridged/spongy bulge and I can push it out of the way but then wee involuntarily as it is full of urine

Soooo fed up sad

FHS Sat 12-Oct-13 09:22:31

The front, I have needed to wee more frequently for a while but thought it was coffee aggravating my bladder.

Hope your appt goes well Lack, and sympathies on the DH front; mine is similar. He'll be worse than useless if I need surgery. angry

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Sat 12-Oct-13 14:41:09

Sounds like a cystocele FHS. Let us know how the appointment goes.
daisy poor you I'm sorry it's all so shit at the moment. Like you don't have enough to worry about and DH being shit as well. Sorry it's getting worse, hope you manage until your appointment. If you have surgery you will not be able to lift anything (I'm sure you know this) so I'd assume your job would be impossible? You have to find a way, if you need the surgery you need the surgery.

Westcountry Sat 12-Oct-13 16:00:24

Thought I'd post a bit of an update , after seeing a nerve and pain Specialist here in bristol it would seem I have had damage to my pudendal nerve that was caused by my initial surgery for prolapse , all the " infections" that I thought I had during my recovery were actually pain from the nerve , as I got more active the pain just got worse , I can trace this back to right after the surgery when I had a searing pain in my butt ! I also now have a rectal intuseption , the surgeons are looking at trying to rectify this damage/ misplaced suture and carry out a rectoplexy. I have to have an MRI first then They decide wether to operate through my butt cheek or laparoscopically I'm just so grateful to have found a wonderful team of doctors to help me , I hope they fix me , I won't know till after surgery and then it could be long term until I notice a difference , I guess I'm posting here to raise awareness so anyone else with this issue post surgery may recognise the symptoms more quickly which means a way better outcome for any surgery to fix the issue , as the surgeon said this does not get better on its own and without intervention may get worse. Thanks to everyone for kind messages and comments xxx

LackaDAISYcal Sat 12-Oct-13 16:21:39

Thats good that you now have a way forward WestCountry. Fingers crossed it will resolve the nerve pain! It must be good to have confidence in your surgical team as well smile

DH was apologetic this morning. We are both knackered, and I have had a reaction to my pneumococcal jab which has set off a lupus flare and he is having an allergic reaction to an insect bite and his finger has swollen to twice its size so neither of us on top form. We need to sit and talk about things properly.

I know I can't do my job, and I suppose we will need to just try and budget for it! But, needs must I suppose, so there will be nothing else for it.

Sorry for my woe is me rant...too much wine blush

hope everyone is OK

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Sat 12-Oct-13 18:36:27

I'm so pleased your appointment went well westcountry although that is all pretty horrendous you poor thing.
Also glad to see you're in better spirits today Daisy smile
Update from me -it's day 12 and I feel really good. I've been out today and walked around for a good while and felt fine. Sitting is much much easier and getting in and out of chairs. I am down to 2 lots of painkillers in 24 hours and am reducing the movicol. Stitches pull a little and still quite itchy but manageable (btw how long until they dissolve /fall out?)
Am amazed at how well I'm healing and think I will return to work the week after next.

elcranko Mon 14-Oct-13 09:49:51

Hello all, I hope you don't mind me posting here. This topic seems to be the closest to my problem. Any opinions would be much appreciated.

I gave birth 7 months ago and had an episiotomy and forceps. I was a total mess down below, very bruised and swollen. Huge piles (sorry for TMI) and a few days afterwards my episiotomy stitches came apart and the area became infected. I originally went back to the labour ward and was given antibiotics and strong painkillers.

The infection cleared up but I was still in a lot of pain and my GP referred me to ob gyn consultant. I had a procedure a couple of months ago during which some excess scar tissue was taken away from the area. This improved the pain considerably. I was then told to come back in a few months with the consultant expecting me to be fully back to normal by then (next appointment is next month).

In the meantime my scar has healed but the scar tissue seems thin and lumpy which worries me (mainly worried about how it will hold up during any future births). Does this sound normal?

I also recently discovered a small lump protruding from my vagina. It isn't sore. I can push it back in and can also get my finger past it. Is this part of my vaginal wall? Is this a prolapse? After pushing it back in last night I had a dull period pain type ache for an hour or so. It also just comes straight back out once I've pushed it in. No other symptoms except sudden need to urinate with no real build up. Will my consultant be able to help with this or is it just a case of doing a ton of pelvic floor exercises forever to try to improve things? (I have been doing these but haven't seen much improvement, if any, tbh)

At the other end (sorry!) my piles have pretty much gone except for one rather large lump that sometimes hurts and bleeds a small amount when I go to the toilet. I also feel sudden urge to use the toilet, again with no real build up. Is this likely to be a stubborn pile rather than a prolapse? Will the consultant look at this area or only be interested in the vaginal area only?

Finally, how will all of the above affect future births? I would like another child within the next few years but would be terrified of adding to my issues in any way.

If you've got this far, thanks for reading! Any advice, what to ask at consultant appointment, things I can do to improve matters etc would be great. Thanks again smile

mrsclairet Mon 14-Oct-13 18:17:11

Elc it sounds like a prolapse to me but they won't do anything if you are planning to have more children. They will tell you to do pelvic floor exercises and might offer you a pessary which can help to hold things up. Sorry I don't have time to go into loads of detail but if you read back on previous pages you will find lots of useful info.

I saw a private consultant today, he said I have got scar tissue which will need to be removed, he said the front wall looks quite good but the back wall needs a bit more support. So 5 months after my 1st op I am facing another op but I actually feel OK about it. The consultant really seems to know what he is talking about, reconstruct ing the pelvic floor is his speciality and it won't be such a big op this time, he said I should be able to go home the same day. So hopefully after that I will be sort of fixed (though he did say it will never be perfect). Fingers crossed!

FHS Mon 14-Oct-13 19:48:20

Had GP appt today. She said she wouldn't say it was a prolapse, but the vaginal walls are slack blush & gave me some pelvic floor exercises to do.

She said as women enter the menopause (I'm almost 50) the oestrogen levels drop quite drastically & 'everything heads south'.

She said it will take about 3mths to see a good improvement. I'm to go back if nothing changes.
Haven't done PFE for years, so need to get on with it.

lotsofquestions000 Mon 14-Oct-13 20:49:41

Hey thanks - finally managed to get myself back on to this thread -got time on my hands now to fiddle around haha. Well I'm reporting back to say I'm home and the deed is done! Feel so much better mentally now after all that worrying and time will tell how things down there pan out, but apart from the whole BM issue which is not pleasant at mo, I don't feel too bad. Had a bit of girly bonding in hospital so wasn't a totally bad experience for that reason. nearly walked out before op tho as there were a few admin cock ups (ie being told to come in at 7.30 getting changed and then been told I was last on PM list so would have to wait til 4pm!!!!) so hanging round in the hospital café! all day without eating or drinking! anyway had a bit of a moan about it as I was on my own stuck half an hour drive from home so couldn't go home and bless them they swapped their pm list and did me first. But initially this didn't give me much confidence as I sure you can imagine. Will keeping (trying) to post with my recovery!

summertimeandthelivingiseasy Tue 15-Oct-13 16:40:13

FHS - I have had post-op problems related to low oestrogen ('infections' that weren't after tests, swollen bits, cystitis and urge incontinence) and have vagifem prescribed by the consultant, which keeps things just about ok.

If you have problems, they seem ready to prescribe this, rather than systemic hrt. More info and symptoms: www.menopausematters.co.uk/vaginalsymptoms.php

I had read about it before, but it came as a complete surprise that this was my problem - I was blaming the op. Still, seems to have worked smile

FHS Tue 15-Oct-13 17:08:29

Hi summertime

I had a quick look at that site but I don't have any of those symptoms. Apart from a 'bulge' which isn't there now!
In fact, after a few months of not being lubricated when having sex, I've had increased cervical mucus over the last couple of weeks. No period since beg of Aug, Keep expecting to start a period but no obvious signs at the moment.

My oestrogen levels are probably decreasing as I've had a few missed periods over the past year, but no symptoms that are mentioned on the site.

FHS Tue 15-Oct-13 17:10:32

Sorry, meant to say also, if I cut down on caffeine then the urge to wee frequently disappears!

curlyclaz13 Tue 15-Oct-13 21:02:37

Not sure if this is prolapse (rectocele) related or not. I feel bloated most of the time and pretty uncomfortable with it. I had bad constipation so use lactolose and have increased fibre considerably. Now the tmi bit, I know I need to poo (can feel it's there) but often nothing happens. I can sit on the loo for a while but nothing. Don't want to strain and make things worse but I am so uncomfortable. Velcro baby doesn't help so when I do go he starts crying and I can't go as I have to sort him out.

summertimeandthelivingiseasy Tue 15-Oct-13 22:04:24

curlyclaz13 - make sure you are drinking plenty with the fibre, otherwise it just adds to the bunging up effect - water between drinks!

If you can get your stools to a no 4 on the Bristol stool scale, it should help. Feet up on a box when you go to the loo will improve things by straightening up your rectum.

2 Kiwi fruit a day will shift anything, 1 a day for maintenance. Otherwise, have you tried movicol, which works differently to lactulose (I found lactulose gave me loads of wind - hard dry poo hit the porcelain like bullets - sorry tmi blush

FHS - don't discount the vagifem theory - lack of lubrication is a sign. I still get cervical mucus during ovulation (or trying to ovulate.....?) but the tissues are sensitive at times. Caffeine is def a trigger

curlyclaz13 Tue 15-Oct-13 22:44:53

A bit more tmi, everything is quite soft now, it feels like the muscles are knackered confused I am so bloated feeling I wonder if the change in diet was too quick ? I am at the doctors next week again so will see what happens then.

kianaidan Wed 16-Oct-13 08:52:53

Curly - I have the same bloating, nothing coming out. I convinced myself I had some kind of rectal prolapse from back passage but doc has chked and said this is not the case. I do have a diagnosed mild vaginal prolapse and haven.t been told what prolapsing so could be rectocele. I manage to go by having no breakfast in the morning until I.ve been and find drinking peppermint tea makes it come sooner. I have 3 boys and don.t have time to sit o loi waiting for it to happen and so if nothings coming out I wait and drink more water/peppermibt tea. I too have been trying to eat lots of high fibre foods.so don.t know whether this has contributed to it.

lotsofquestions000 Wed 16-Oct-13 09:33:18

Bit of a TMI question but I'm 5 days post posterior repair and finding the most painful issue is the wind/BM. The pressure builds up in the base of the bum and then will either pass wind or need to poo. am taking movical and lactulose to keep things loose but just seem to get so much trapped wind it is awful. How long should I keep taking stuff to keep BMs loose - is it just until I feel I can go comfortably?? Anyone know??

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 16-Oct-13 09:51:23

I'm still taking lactulose and one sachet of movicol 15 days PO. I did read somewhere that lactulose can make wind worse -might be worth a google and look at alternatives?

lotsofquestions000 Thu 17-Oct-13 10:17:54

TMI but had first 'proper' BM today and feeling I'm getting on top of the wind issue a bit more now. Although I dont feel like doing too much at the mo am starting to feel lazy!! and wondering when I will be able to do more and how much? Its going to be hard to not do too much when I dont feel so uncomfortable. MustTidy - how much are you finding you are doing now? I'm going to be paranoid about undoing the good work I think!

jcakec Thu 17-Oct-13 10:22:56

I have found lactulose gives me so much wind that I have given up on it. I have been taking dulco-ease but the doc has suggested movicol instead. It is 6 weeks tomorrow since my op and I still need to take something as I still get constipated which seems to cause pressure and pain. no sign of my stitches coming out yet. on a happy note I can now sit for longer periods. It feels like a long recovery but I feel so lucky when I read about the awful post op compications that others on here have suffered.

lotsofquestions000 Thu 17-Oct-13 10:33:59

Maybe I should try cutting down on the lactulose then or try something else - have also been using movicol so perhaps the two together is too much - just that I am in fear of getting bunged up - I cant imagine trying to do a normal poo at the moment (sorry all TMI)

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 17-Oct-13 12:42:17

I'm feeling pretty much back to normal. Only difference being that I get tired more easily, can't walk too far (or am reluctant to?) and I get itchy at night and in the morning. Pretty much off painkillers now. I'm very lucky.

kianaidan Thu 17-Oct-13 18:23:09

Westcounty -.sorru to hear u have had such a difficult time. I too suspect I may have intususeption. Could I ask ur symptoms. Are tgey confident tgeu can fix this 4.u.

lotsofquestions000 Thu 17-Oct-13 18:33:10

Will getting constipated undo all the good work or is it more of a comfort thing? My cons said not to do anything for 2 weeks but I do feel as though I could do more ie pottering with dusting and other light duties, but in another week I feel like I will probably want to do a lot more

WhoKnowsWhereTheBonnetsGo Thu 17-Oct-13 20:02:17

Lots you really shouldn't do too much those first couple of weeks, I was told to lift nothing heavier than a half full kettle in that time, and only gradually build up after that.

kianaidan Thu 17-Oct-13 20:23:33

Sorry for jumbled words wriggly baby in my arms lol

jcakec Fri 18-Oct-13 09:36:43

Lots, I think you should try to make yourself do very little for a while yet. In fact it was probably good that I had pain if I did anything as it stopped me. Like you I would have been tempted to start doing stuff as it is very frustrating when you can see things that need doing. try to take care of youself.

lotsofquestions000 Fri 18-Oct-13 09:53:21

thanks all - feeling much better today - still achey in bum area but actually wanted to get dressed today and feel more normal. My mantra is going to have to be ' must not do too much, must not do too much' maybe I should change my nickname to it smile
So now I'm going to enjoy another lazy day looking at all the jobs I cant do!!! Would like to take dog for a walk tho - although as she is a big strong mutt I do know that would not be a good idea!

WhoKnowsWhereTheBonnetsGo Fri 18-Oct-13 10:14:48

Lots - I used my enforced rest time to do all my Christmas shopping online (same time last year for me). You definitely do not want a dog pulling on a lead at the moment!

lotsofquestions000 Fri 18-Oct-13 10:53:23

whoknows - yeh I have started thinking about doing online xmas shopping, seems a good bet as I certainly wont be lugging bags of shopping around town this year! Its going to be getting the balance right I think! First in the 6 weeks and then after - need to explain to DH that washing and shopping will have to remain his department for a while longer. I really don't want to have to go through this again and I'm sure work wouldn't appreciate me being off again any time in the next few years smile

WhoKnowsWhereTheBonnetsGo Fri 18-Oct-13 11:09:30

Yes, I would say it took me 12 weeks to be fully back to strength and I still avoid the heaviest lifting where at all possible. My work were very good about it but, as you say, once is enough.

wouldratherbeskiing Fri 18-Oct-13 19:43:57

Lotsof? I would definitely recommend you listen to your body and give yourself time to heal.

Haven't posted in a while. I think I've posted on here before about nagging worries about repairs not holding in the future and I know a lot of on here share my concern. Since my cystocele repair in January I have made a steady recovery - much quicker than for the rectocele repair carried out 9 months earlier. I am back cycling to work daily and have been horse riding. I've even been back on skis. Just recently I've been aware of being uncomfortable, a slight dragging which filled me with dread. Inside things feel intact. I have had a sort of pinching feeling in my bottom since the first op and I am used to that but this feeling was new - an ache that remained even while sitting or laying. The back wall is solid and the front slightly spongy but no obvious bulges. Can someone tell me - is spongy normal?

Anyway, in the last three days things have miraculously improved and things feel less pressured. I am hoping things stay like this. I am wondering whether this was due to scar tissue.

I suppose the reason I'm posting is to share this progress and to say there is light at the end of the tunnel. I think it is normal to worry having gone on this physical and mental roller coaster. Good luck you lovely ladies.

lotsofquestions000 Mon 21-Oct-13 11:18:58

Still doing ok. Not doing much - spoken to a friend who had same thing done and she is doing lots more than me (cleaning floors, walking and cooking, tho not lifting). Am I doing the right thing being really lazy and just pottering about??? 10days post op

Mrsbapandbabies Mon 21-Oct-13 14:47:56

Hi Ladies,

Not posted in here before but I have a rectocele, a bit of a cystocele (sp?) and I'm convinced my cervix has dropped down into my vagina. I was referred to a gyne physio last year who gave my pelvic floor a 4.5 out of 5 (proud face) and basically told me that it wasn't so bad down there and I was expecting too much from my vagina after 3 normal deliveries. She gave me some super duper pelvic floor exercises to do alongside my pelvic exerciser. I didn't bother go back and felt gutted that I'd waited 5 months for that! Anyhoo, things are still crap down there. I'm in constant pain from my lower back and I have a lot of deep pain (if you know what I mean). I have to put my fingers inside my vagina to push my poo out or else it sits inside my vagina. I wee myself when I laugh, cough, exercise. I can't keep a tampon in. I won't have sex with my husband as a, it hurts b, it must feel very different for him (I certainly couldn't let him SEE down there!) and c, I just feel so unsexy.

Is this 'not too bad'?? It feels like hell to me!! Going back to the GP on Monday as I've had enough. Can I ask to be referred to a gynecologist? I'm only 30.

Thanks x

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Mon 21-Oct-13 16:19:56

mrsB your symptoms are worse than mine were and I've just had surgery to repair rectocele x

kianaidan Mon 21-Oct-13 17:06:30

Mrsb - you sound emotionally exactly how I feel. I won.t let hubby touch me. I also have 3 boys and its such hard work trying m best to.still be a good mum whilst feeling like this. I haven.t leaked urine but have bowel issues, lower back ache like u say etc. I.d go bk see ur gp and tell them ur symptoms both physical and mental. Some gps aren.t as sympathetc as others. I thats the case go see another. I dthat and 2nd was much better. If they still won.t refer u (althoufh I.m sure they will) some1 pn here mentioned paying for a private consultation and getting put on there nhs waiting list.

lotsofquestions000 Mon 21-Oct-13 19:01:00

MrsB - I would definitely go back and make more fuss. I have only had rectocele repair and although you may have strong PFs this is different I believe in that your muscles have actually got separated/too weak?? My GP said no amount of PFs would get rid of it once there

Mrsbapandbabies Mon 21-Oct-13 23:15:36

Thanks ladies!! I didn't think it was ok but when the physio said it wasn't too bad I thought maybe it wasn't too bad.

MustTidyUp - you've just had it done. You're very brave! How bad was the op/post op healing?

Kia - it's shit isn't it! I can't let him touch me down there and it's really hard on our marriage. Have you had your repaired?

LotsOf - I thought that no amount of pelvic floor exercises will sort it out! I'm glad you think so too!

To be honest I'm really scared about it being surgically repaired. Has anyone been offered something that's non surgical?

I've made a GP appointment and I'll look into seeing a private gynecologist if they won't help.

Thanks for your kind words and advice x

IDoAllMyOwnStunts Mon 21-Oct-13 23:17:09

MrsB - you must ask for a referral to a gynaecologist. I was only leaking urine from stress incontinence without the added problems you mentioned and had the surgery last month which has changed my life.

You must and should not put up with this and it most definitely is not something you should suffer as a result of your having babies. You must make a fuss and tell them how much it is impacting on your quality of life and day to day activities.

I suffered for 10 years as I was too embarrassed about my situation but I am now strangely evangelical that other women must not suffer like I did when the surgery is out there to help put it right.
Best of luck x

jcakec Tue 22-Oct-13 09:53:30

Mrs B I can't believe you have been told it's not too bad (well sadly I can). Just because it is seen as non essential so many of us are advised that we can live with these problems. Well we can live with them but they make life really miserable. I put off having an operation for a rectocele for a couple of years as I found even the gynea put me off having an op and I am not confident or assertive enough to say what I want. I did do a few months of physio then tried the ring pessary which didnt suit me but does help some Finally a different gp said to me that I am too young to be putting up with this and that I should get the operation done and get on with my life. Well I had it done 6 weeks ago so hopefully I will soon notice a difference once stitches dissapear and I am all healed. so please do go back and ask to see a gynea as you are really suffering. Take care of yourself.

lotsofquestions000 Tue 22-Oct-13 10:17:20

Im now 11 days post posterior repair op and the pain in my lower back/bum is really starting to get to me - van anyone tell me how long I can expect it to last at this intensity???

mrsclairet Tue 22-Oct-13 11:55:26

It was me who went to see a urogyn privately and got put onto the NHS waiting list! It cost me £250 through BUPA and he said I should have to wait about 3 months. I had a repair for bowel and bladder prolapse in May but he said when they operated they also found I had a slight uteruine prolapse (can't remember the technical name!) I am now going to have a 2nd operation to remove scar tissue and to tighten things up a bit more as my vagina has been left open at the bottom (Lovely!) I am only 32 and decided I'm not going to live like this for the rest of my life, as my DH said it wasn't really living, just existing. I'm not going to lie, the operation was horrible, even worse than I thought it would be but it's like having babies it's amazing how quickly you forget how horrendous labour was! I now think well if I did it once I can do it again and even though it didn't quite work out as it should I don't regret going for the surgery as my bulge has gone and I have actually let my DH touch me again! (though have not dtd yet as I have scar tissue which needs to be removed).

Mrsbapandbabies Tue 22-Oct-13 13:19:43

It is amazing what we're expected to live with. It seemed to be the case that if it's not all hanging out it's ok. If it was all hanging out I'd freak out and sit in a&e till they put it back in!! I spoke to my husband about it last night - he thinks the same as you ladies, that it needs to be sorted. He was a bit upset as I told him that I don't enjoy sex on the rare occasions that we have it. But that's the truth. I can't imagine having a crap sex life for the next 30 years! I'm too young to just exist.

Hopefully the GP will see it from my point of view and I'll not have to go private!

Mrsbapandbabies Tue 22-Oct-13 13:21:56

mrsclaret sounds awful to have to go through a second op. Hope it goes ok smile

LackaDAISYcal Tue 22-Oct-13 16:45:25

Hello smile

Just signing in. Sorry to hear about your pain in the bum lotsof; I hope someone can answer your wuestions for you, but maybe a sign of overdoing things? It must be really hard to not be able to do much at all, but I guess needs must rather than risk undoing things.

I am having a horrible time of things. I have had a prod round and it seems the only thing holding my uterus inside my vagina is the bulge on my front wall. When pooing, unless things are <tmi> really loose, I'm having to hold my cervix out of the way as it is pushing into my bowel and stopping things moving sadsadsad

I am madly doing my PFEs but it doesn't appear to be doing a lot of good. I'm terrified that as the physios discharged me after a cancelled appointment and before they were finished with me, I will just get referred back to them. I'm also concerned that I haven't lost as much weight as I'd hoped, only about half a stone when I needed two to get my BMI below 30, and that my skinny consultant will brush it off as a fat persons problem and refuse to do anything till I lose weight
Bleeding has calmed down a bit thankfully, but I always get a gush after having to hold things out of the way. Could the bleeding be down to the prolapse? I'm also still stressing about taking tme off work for an op. I have just had to get a new car as mine died so have committed myself to a hefty amount of money for the next three years. Still I can hopefully budget for things if I have enough lead in time!

Hi MrsB...welcome, but sorry that you are here on this thread. My advice would be to push for a second , especially as you are so young.

ratherbeskiiing; lovely to hear post op positiveness smile

Mrsbapandbabies Tue 22-Oct-13 18:15:29

Hi Lackadaisycal- thanks for the welcome. What you're going through sounds horrendous! I can't believe it can be that bad and not be fixed yet! My BMI isn't as low as I'd like but that's partly because I can't really do prancing about exercise as it feels like everything's going to fall out nothing to do with all the cake I eat.

I can't see the point in PFE's once you get to this point! Fingers crossed you don't just get referred back to the physios. It seems as though you have to take a long time off postoperativley which is a worry but surely you can't cope with that much longer. I hope you get the ball rolling and it's fixed soon

Italianboys Tue 22-Oct-13 18:49:15

I've followed the previous posts with interest and I'm now 12 weeks after my posterior repair and TVTO as well. It's been a long 12 weeks but now feel really good and no longer having stress incontinence is life changing for me. I haven't lifted anything heavier than a saucepan on instruction from my consultant and I will never lift anything heavier than a small bag of shopping ever again. I've got dogs and kids and so not lifting or moving heavy objects is really hard but your surgery won't be a success if you do.
My sex life is much improved though it took patience and some eyewatering moments to feel confident. It's vital to keep your stools soft for ever more and I take big spoonfuls of Linusit golden linseed every day mixed with yoghurt or sprinkled on soup, it certainly works for me but you need to drink plenty of fluids as well.

I found Michelle Kenway's website so helpful and really urge anyone with prolapse issues to look at it, there is so much good advice on it, even how to poo without straining and damaging your repair. Having done Pilates for years I wonder now if I did more damage than good, Michelles site gives good advice on safe exercises for all women with compromised pelvic floors, that's most of us who have given birth! Just Google Michelle Kenway.

lotsofquestions000 Wed 23-Oct-13 10:37:22

Thanks for your support lacka and sorry you are suffering so much. I have really been doing nothing but have come to the conclusion that half the pain is from my (TMI) haemorrhoids!! which although were sometimes a bit uncomfortable before, I now think that because everything is tighter (and swollen??) I cant push them back in easily - which usually relieved the pain. So I hopeing that when swelling goes down there will be a bit more relief from them. blush. Anyone had this experience???
As an aside Lacka - have you tried the 5/2 diet, I have been doing it this year and found it very affective and manageable in a diet sort of way as you are only hungry for 2 days a week and can have a cake or wine or something if you really feel like it on the other days and it has worked for me where no other diet has and so far I haven't gained anything with all this sitting around - lets hope that lasts!!

LackaDAISYcal Wed 23-Oct-13 10:46:50

thanks lots smile

I have the 5:2 diet books; I might pick them up again. I'm hopeless with diets though; I go for months without chocolate or chips passing my lips, but as soon as I think diet, cheesy chips become the most appealing snack in the world hmm. Or, I lose a few pounds get complacent and it all starts to slide blush

Ask the doc for some cream or suppositories for your piles; it'll help with general swelling in the area as well. Or I got some Nelsons arnica cream for haemorroids.

Noordinarygirl Wed 23-Oct-13 14:26:34

Off to see Cons again this afternoon - to have lots of questions answered hopefully. Maybe I've been googling just a bit too much?!

My home life is becoming unbearable as I can't face the thought of my partner coming near me and haven't for quite a while now. It had quite clearly been impacting on his 'performance' too. Just can't (or don't want to) be close with him anymore. I've had absolutely NO sympathy or understanding from him so I guess I've kind of withdrawn from him. I moved out of the bedroom last week and am sleeping downstairs on the couch now. Just wondering how I will manage after op in January! It seems like a recurring theme from a lot of posts that partners are crap at the 'understanding' bit and are in the main pretty selfish. If only they knew what the hell we are all living with.

My pessary re-fitting was no good so I am just bearing with it til my op now. Keep pushing it back up when needed. Am managing to get out and walk everyday for at least half an hour as it's helping me get my weight down. Cannot recommend Slimming World enough. Have got 1st 3lbs off in 7 weeks so far and am seeing numbers on the scales that I haven't seen for a long time. BMI now 25.9 - almost in the healthy range - so deffo will be by January. All the masses of fibre I'm eating keeps things moving so am not having any problems with that side of things interfering too.

Still have a very 'heavy' feeling down there and can't wait for the day when things are back where they should be however much I'm worrying about it. For info - my cervix (or whatever it was) completely fell out of me in May by about 1/2 cms (after a day of major gardening, cleaning and doing way too much) and they also found a stage I/II bowel herniation into my vagina too. I am now 46 and I think still considered very young to be having this surgery (sacrocolpopexy), which should take about 2.5 hrs. Still have not discovered anyone who has had this exact op and would love to have any comments from anyone who has.

Bigs hugs to all ladies 'suffering' in many ways on these threads - just such a shame that 'shit happens' but great that we can congregate together and have cyber support even when we can't get any at home. Thank you all....

LackaDAISYcal Wed 23-Oct-13 17:33:22

I hope the appointment went well noordinarygirl. I have been reading up on sacrowhatsit; it is rare, but apparently quite successful and minimally invasive with a much quicker recovery than eg a hysterectomy which I believe is the standard procedure for uterine prolapse. I hope you get all the answers you need. Keep us updated as I may be facing a similar procedure.

I am so with you on the sex side of things; I positively freeze if DH so much as cuddles me sad I would so like things to be normal again. the poor man has all but given up even trying to get me interested. I haven't really explained what's going on to him for fear of him running to the hills screaming at the thought of my insides coming out.

I'm trying to pluck up the courage to have a look at what's happening, but I fear I may run to the hills screaming too!!

LackaDAISYcal Wed 23-Oct-13 17:33:54

well done on the weight loss btw smile

Noordinarygirl Thu 24-Oct-13 11:00:46

Thanks DAISY. I went armed with loads of questions and the doc answered them all very thoroughly. It IS a big op which is longer than most, approx. 2 and a half hours if all goes well. My doc actually teaches other docs to do this procedure so that's all good. Having said that he only performs approx. 5 each year which isn't many, so yes you're right they do seem pretty 'rare'. I shall definitely keep everyone updated after my op as I've struggled like mad to try and find anyone who's had it done and come up with nothing.

One thing I did ask the doc was 'if your wife had the same problems would you feel comfortable with her having that op?' He answered straight away 'Yes' and I feel as if he was genuine about his answer. He's a very good doc and I feel comfortable with him operating. All the women seem to love him and he's exceedingly difficult to get an appointment with at times, which tells me something.

For info I had a sub-total (still have cervix and ovaries) lap hysterectomy last year after having 6 months of intermittent self-catheterisation due to a large (about 10cms I think but not too sure) fibroid trying to take over my insides. I recovered very quickly and very well from that op and thought I was back to normal, only to have it all try and fall out back in May.

I am still dreading this op as I have 2 knackered discs in my back too (from years of lifting very heavy stuff whilst in the Navy) and I can't bear the thought of more back and butt pain coming my way.

Anyway, enough moaning, sorry ladies, we all keep smiling to the outside world don't we but understand each others worries/moans/good times. Can I ask how old you are DAISY and what going on with you...PM me if you'd rather - am intrigued as to how anyone else may end up with the same op. (off to get weighed now!)

BeyondAnyFuckingJoke Thu 24-Oct-13 20:28:14

Hello, been directed here from my moan thread
Bad day here, so apologies for my shit intro. Will have a big read through all 8 threads though and will be back when I'm a bit more chirpy smile

Hi can I join you?
I am currently suffering again after approx ten years of (relative) normality and feel really down.

After 3 kids in two years (!) and a 4th large baby 3 years afterwards I had a prolapse. rectcele and cystocele and had a hysterectomy (but no repair)at 35. Reasonably good shape after tho bowels don't work without suppositories..

However this year I took up running.. and am working in a class (special needs..physical disabilities) which entail a fair bit of lifting.. and suddenly I'm in aching pain.. feels like my insides are dropping into my vagina..hurts to stand for long, just hurts really .

It never occurred to me that running would be bad for my pelvic floor..I don't wet myself (and appreciate how lucky I am there) if anything I have trouble peeing...and pooing.

I'm currently lying down a LOT when not at work, sitting down whenever I can and am not lifting any children..but it seems the damage is back in whatever new form it has taken.

I saw my gp today who didn't even do an internal, but told me to 'rest' ha!
I'm not sure what to do next except to lie still and hope it improves a bit.. taken tons of painkillers for the last few weeks to no availsad

Any suggestions gratefully received:/

MoreThanWordsforAnyFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 07:44:57

Hi - I'm a newcomer to this particular board - 46, 3 teens, all straightforward deliveries so I'm guessing it's my age that's causing my issue. confused. Having had a quick read through your posts, I'm scared in awe of what some of you are having to deal with health-wise. Mine is a much much minor issue in comparison.

I feel like I've got a tampon not in the right place iykwim. It felt worse Sunday morning, and I know I've had the feeling on random occasions before, but this time it's been more noticeable for longer. Frantically doing pelvic floor squeezes until I can get a gp appt.

Anyway, will go back to reading some of experiences (and will probably be back for more advice later!)

smile

lotsofquestions000 Fri 25-Oct-13 10:06:04

Hi last 2 posters - sorry I cant really help with your particular problems - but welcome to this thread. I have found it an invaluable source of support and advice so I hope you get some answers

KookyKitty Fri 25-Oct-13 12:06:44

Hi,

I'm really hoping that someone on here can give me some advice. I've spent the morning in tears, I gave birth to my DD 5 months ago, she was a big baby 9,3lbs and the birth was traumatic. I tore badly, and I'm still in pain from the tear. I'm due to get counseling for the birth in December.

Recently I've started feeling pain and pressure 'down there', it's not the pain caused by the tear. Sorry if this is tmi but it feels like the top of my vagina is hanging down.

I'm due to go to Dr's on Tuesday, can someone tell me what they can do if it is a prolapse? I'm so scared that they will tell me to just do mote kegals and send me away.

I feel like I'm broken and will never be the same again. I hate my body for failing me like this.

Can anyone give me advice on what can be done? Right now I just feel so depressed.

curlyclaz13 Fri 25-Oct-13 14:52:23

I have been back to the gp today for a follow up, she said it is not too bad but advised a pessary as I don't know if we want more children yet. How likely is this going help ? also I have an appointment for a coil fitting but am not sure if I should sort the pessary out first. tbh we haven't dtd since having ds 4 1/2 months ago as I feel so embarrassed by how things are but OH is getting frustrated by it now. I know it's my body and if I'm not happy nothing will happen but if the prolapse won't improve I guess I have to accept that my body will never improve in that department. I just feel disappointed in myself and my body and worry he will find it repulsive. sad sorry to waffle.

Noordinarygirl Sat 26-Oct-13 22:24:41

Blimey, this is way more common than I previously thought!

Medusa, my prolapse started after a day of major cleaning, gardening. Please read my previous posts for more details. I also lie down a lot! It all sounds very familiar.....and why the hell did he not do an internal. When mine first started I called the hospital immediately (as I was due to leave for Rome within the hour!) and the doctor told me to stand up and cough! My cervix (or whatever it was!) instantly came out again - I'd pushed it back in and had been lying down until then! I then had to go straight to A&E (yes I did get to Rome for 4 days but it was pretty grim having to keep lying down every afternoon and push the damn thing up all the time!)

Same to Morethanwords....that's exactly how it feels sometimes - like a full tampon that's about to fall out!

Curlyclaz - the pessary isn't working for me. If you do anything like crouching down, gardening etc etc it comes out of position and feels worse than ever. I've tried pushing mine back into place loads of times but it just won't stay where it's meant to and I've had enough of the 'heavy feeling and the discomfort of it.

Kookykitty - (again please see my previous posts for more details of my medical history). However, (I'm really not a doctor or anything so don't take what I say too literally!) both you and Curlyclaz have pretty recently had babies so your bodies are much more likely still trying to go back to normal! I had my last baby over 16 years ago. Maybe you 2 should really try to persist initially with pelvic floor exercises?!

What does anyone else think????

Noordinarygirl Sat 26-Oct-13 22:26:27

and I'm still hunting around for anyone that's had a SACROCOLPOPEXY.....anyone????

curlyclaz13 Sat 26-Oct-13 22:41:53

I am still doing the exercises and will continue, I know the nurse fairly well who will be fitting the pessary so will ask her if she thinks they are worthwhile. Thanks for the input.

joclairey Sat 26-Oct-13 23:46:54

Hi. I've just joined MN after a friend pointed me in the direction of this thread.

I have got a uterine and a slight recerole prolapse. I'm 32 years old, and well frankly I'm bloody scared! I'm currently off work as I also appear to have a pelvic infection (PID) which I am taking two sorts of antibiotics for.

I've got a pessary temporarily(put in by a gynae registrar at A+E), but it is bloody uncomfortable. I am currently awaiting an ultrasound so assess the extent of the damage before I see the consultant to discuss next steps.

Back story is I had a very difficult birth with my now 2.5 year old, failed induction, failed epidurals, episotimy, 3rd degree tears, ventouse, and finally forceps - loosing a lot of blood etc.

In September I developed a very severe chest infection with the most horrendous cough, and I have had a sudden prolapse from that. I have a Mirena coil, which was only checked in the summer (plus i check my own threads so am intimate with my intimates!) and didn't have one then.

During said cough I started suffering for severe abdo pains on my right side, and from the start I said it was my ovary, but was told it was pulled muscles from the cough. One evening I could feel a really uncomfortable prickling sensation in my bits, and it was my coil threads near the entrance to my vagina, closely followed by my cervix.

We have always been uncertain as to whether we want any more kids (leaning more towards the no than the yes, due to the birth and has a lot of pregnancy problems including severe HG). I can't go on like this, I know want surgery so I kind of feel that the choice has been taken away forever. I'm so down.

My husband wants me to get surgery because I am in so much pain and would rather have a healthy wife and mother to the child we have than, have me like this to try for more. I've no idea what I will even be offered yet.

So yeah. Hello. I have a feeling I will be moving in here for the next few months! waves

mrsclairet Sun 27-Oct-13 08:24:19

Hi to everyone that's new. Sorry I have to be quick as I've got a 3 and a 5 year old that take up rather a lot of my time. I had a rectocele and cystocele that got to the point of hanging out slightly and I was offered surgery straightaway. I'm only 32 but as soon as I said I didn't want any more children they referred me to a gynaecologist. I had surgery in may and the bulge in my vagina has gone but I am still getting a dragging feeling and apparently have got scar tissue so I am going to have to have a 2nd operation. I would still recommend having surgery but it is a major operation and you have to rest. I had help for the first 4 weeks but after that had to lift my then 2 year old a few times and I don't know if that contributed to the 1st operation not working.

LackaDAISYcal Sun 27-Oct-13 09:49:21

Hello to the newbies, but sorry you have found your way to this thread. It's all shit isn't it? And yes so much more common than you would think. I'm so glad that online life allows us to talk about these things and is meaning that more women seek help and realise that things don't have to be like this. Think of our parent's and grandparent's generations; it wasn't talked about and women just accepted it as part and parcel of having children/getting older.

Looking forward to chatting to y'all.

My update is that after five days off, I'm bleeding again. So so sick of it all now and would gladly sign up to a hysterectomy tomorrow if they'd let me sad

BeyondPissedOffAtTheWorld Sun 27-Oct-13 10:46:08

The fact that it is so usual is one of the things that bothers me about my gyn appt Daisy, I've read this week that half of women suffer prolapse-y issues after a VB, most just have no symptoms. Yet i have symptoms and she claims there is nothing there. I would have been much happier with her saying, "it is very minor, its not worth the fuss of operating" than "it is normal for muscles to be slack after VB, there is nothing wrong with you" angry
As time is passing, anger is really taking over where i was upset before!!

BeyondPissedOffAtTheWorld Sun 27-Oct-13 10:48:19

My pals complaint is definitely going to include my opinion that it is difficult to tell someone what the issue is when you have been waiting A YEAR for the appointment, as you get used to things and almost forget they arent normal angry

BeyondPissedOffAtTheWorld Sun 27-Oct-13 10:55:04

Gonna c&p my thread here, is prob easier than going over to it smile

Pt1
I had my gynaecologist appointment today for my (diagnosis by my GP) rectocele. It was diagnosed over two years ago, but have had a pregnancy since, then a lot of cancelled appointments. The problems that led to me going to the GP in the first place are no different.

I cried in her office, I felt like such a fucking hypochondriac and I am so sick of having problems with everything. I have my pip medical this afternoon though, so hopefully feeling extra shit will help with that at least...

I will speak to my gp, and depending on what she says I may go to pals too. She did not get me to push, nor examine me standing up, just inserted a speculum and got me to cough. I said if there is no problem, is there nothing i can do to help it (arthritis in my hands and wrists makes digital removal v painful). I know there are pessarries/rings etc that could help with this, or even physio, but she said the only thing that can help a rectocele ("which you dont have") is surgery. In getting all upset I lost my nerve re everything i know. She didnt even ask about my labours. Next time i know I need to make sure i write stuff down so i dont forget anything...

She told me over and over again that my GP was WRONG to diagnose it, that any problems were caused by the weight/effect on muscles of being pregnant and that it also shouldnt be diagnosed less than 3months pp. I pointed out that I was four weeks pregnant with DS2 at the time, he was hardly heavy, and i was 10m pp from DS1. I wrote it off for those 10m that it was normal, i was just recovering. She said it is normal for my vag/bowel to be "lax" to the point of tampons falling out, and that having to digitally assist is caused purely by constipation (i am not currently constipated btw) not a fault in the wall.
Rambling a bit, hope this makes sense!

I told her I am suspected hypermobile, I told her I had a inguinal hernia as a toddler, she did not comment on either.
I told her I had a rectocele and she told me off for telling her what it was, said describe your problems and I will tell you what it is. I wonder now if she was determined that she would find I was "wrong" after that.

Oh thats the other thing, I have pain during sex, she said this can never be caused by a prolapse. I am far from an expert, but dr google seems to disagree.

Pt2
Am quite annoyed at myself now for today. I missed out a load of stuff I should have told her. Feeling heavy, like my insides are falling out, my DH can feel it too when I'm stood up, there is 100% something there!
Was quite preoccupied with other health probs today though, struggling to move and in tonnes of pain, and just wasnt prepared for her to claim there is nothing wrong

It used to be worse after prolonged walking, but I havent walked far for ages so that just wasnt at the front of my mind.

Am especially annoyed at myself because I am usually That Mumsnetter who is a right pita to HCPs and a bit of a know-it-all about particular medical stuff

Hello..my name is electrical banana and I keep tena lady in business.

I am 45 and I have had two children. Both VD, first a 4lb but with a full episiotomy , second was 6lb but I had a third degree tear. I also have spina bifida occulta and I had spinal ( neck - discectomy and fusion C5 C6) surgery 10 years ago.

I am booked in for urodynamics tomorrow morning.

And that is all .....................sad

IDoAllMyOwnStunts Sun 27-Oct-13 21:54:31

Hi electrical banana. Welcome to the thread. I have just had TVT surgery for stress incontinence and like you kept Tena going single handedly. I am 4 weeks post op and so far so good, seems like its worked amazingly well. For me it's life changing, cannot get used to sneezing and not weeing myself!
Good luck for the urodynamics, it's honestly not that bad and the nurses will make it all a good as an experience as it can be. Are u thinking of opting for surgery if they offer it? Feel free to ask me anything if u have questions. smile

Thank you for your welcome.

I will probably go for the surgery if offered but will have to wait until next summer hols...I am a childminder and I mostly work term time.

I know all about the surgical options....I was a gynae theatre sister in a previous life and was one of the first to assist in tvt. BUT... I don't know about how it feels after the op. My cousin's wife had it done a couple of years ago so I have spoken to her tonight at a family party. She says it took her a couple of months to get better. I can afford to take that amount of time off...my job is quite heavy - babies are chunky monkeys! I will have weigh up the pros and cons ...do I stay like I am and feel like a smelly old woman but not let down my little ones or do I go for it and become more confident but let them down. Bloody hell!!!!arrrrrggghhhhhh

IDoAllMyOwnStunts Sun 27-Oct-13 22:22:21

Yes I know what you mean about timing it right but there again if you stop and think about the timing of it too hard you'd never have it done as there's never a convenient time to be out of action.
I would say I am fully fit now after 4 weeks. I am back at work tomorrow, i have an active job and feel totally fine to lift etc, but everyone's recovery is different. Not tried proper sport yet, my sons trampoline will be the real tester I suppose shock
The week or two after I was bloody sore, could only shuffle about, but now I feel completely normal. So glad I had it done, I took 10 years to get to the doctors and sort it out, can't believe I didn't sort it sooner, as I say sounds dramatic but it really is life changing. Good luck.smile

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 27-Oct-13 22:36:37

Hello. I posted on this thread a lot earlier in the year. I'm 29 and have quite a severe bladder prolapse although I feel that more is wrong that that. My bladder bulges outside my body and after an appt with consult an who ranted prior to examining me that I was way to young for surgery he took one look declared that it was very impressive for a woman my age and that I needed surgery and to ignore everything he'd just said. He even called the other person in the room over to see! declaring this woman is ONLY 29.

I was put on waiting list but delayed surgery due to my sons age. He is a few days away from 1 and I am booked in mid nov. I'm terrified and feel so scared of everything. My DH has booked 3 weeks unpaid leave for after surgery and my mum and MIL will help with my children. Surgeon said I cannot lift for 12 weeks and that I really shouldn't return to my jobs ever as it's so heavy which seems excessive. I don't have a choice.
I also have hypermobility which is probably party the problem.

Tr0ubled Sun 27-Oct-13 23:30:24

BeyondPissedOff you should definitely write to PALS but more than that you must ask your GP for another referral. Is there more than one Primary Care Trust near you? I am in London and so had the choice of 3 major hospitals to be referred to. I am quite sure that another gynaecologist would deal with you far more professionally. A lot of ladies on this board have been fobbed off by their GPs but not many by a gynaecologist.
I am 7 months into my recovery from posterior and anterior repairs plus perineum rebuild and a hemorrhoidectomy and it has been (still is) a long journey that started with a referral to a colorectal surgeon over 3yrs ago. He found I had a large rectocele and entrocele but refused to operate as I was too young (36). He referred me to the pelvic pain clinic and I was fortunate that the nurse there referred me on to a Urogynacologist. She had a totally different attitude and believed that regardless of age we should not only have functional bodies but also sexual ones - mine was neither.
I eventually had my surgery privately, but that is an even longer story! However I can say after all the people that have poked about down below it was only ever my private consultant who examined me standing, he also examined me sitting on the edge of a chair mimicking going to the loo. The various NHS consultants only ever examined me lying down.
When you do get a new referral you should insist on a defecating proctogram. They are not fun, I've had 3, but they are conclusive. The fact that you have to splint to help you poo is not normal except for on this board and it's appalling that the gynaecologist you saw should be so dismissive.
Good luck

lotsofquestions000 Mon 28-Oct-13 09:39:32

MrsClairet 've just been looking at your posts and noticed you have to have another op re scarring. Can you elaborate? (PM if you prefer). I am now 16days PO for post repair and hav dared to have a bit of a look! I am now really worried cos it looked like either side near the entrance (I didn't delve!!) has fused togetherblush. It really does look like I'm a born again virgin, so I'm really scared that nothing will ever get up there again! Is it too early days to tell yet? It also stung a bit when I tried to see if it would separate - oh God - feel really down now, when I was feeling really positive about it all before as recovery has been going really well. sad

Well I am back from my urodynamics and my pelvic floor is shot!

It's an experience I don't want to repeat in a hurry. I stood up and peed myself before I was asked to cough and then I couldn't pee the fluid out...I just couldn't get into the zone. Room was biggish and it didn't feel like a toilet. So I sat with a sheet over my head- and that folks is an image you can savour for the rest of the day. Had to push like billy-o to get a trickle out.

Appt for consultant after Xmas then most probably tvt a couple of months later. I am living the dream!

BeyondPissedOffAtTheWorld Mon 28-Oct-13 10:44:45

Thank you Tr0ubled smile

There is another trust nearby, in fact from where I live, the Cardiff teaching hospital is pretty much as close as "my" hospital. So assuming my GP agrees that there is still something there (which there is no reason she shouldnt, I feel no different to when she diagnosed it! Will point out here that my Gp does specialise in ob/gyn) I will ask for referral there. And failing that, beg borrow or steal to go private.

BeyondPissedOffAtTheWorld Mon 28-Oct-13 10:46:11

Forgot to mention in my big post, I think my age def played a big part in the trouble with my consultant appt. I'm 27.

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 28-Oct-13 12:25:19

beyond I'm shocked at her manner with you. Definitely request a second opinion. I'm 29 and my surgeon has been lovely, he had a long rant about not operating as I was too young but examined me and decided otherwise. I don't think all consultants examine in standing though from what I've read, in fact mine didn't even internally examine me! However I think my prolapse is very severe so he could see the problem from the outside!

mrsclairet Mon 28-Oct-13 13:36:23

Lotsofquestions I don't think I can help I'm afraid, I don't really know where the scar tissue is exactly but when the consultant examined me he said yes I can see that would make sex painful (I haven't attempted it yet!). I have been told there is a risk of making things too tight, that's why I need to have it done again as they didn't do it tight enough but I think back to when I was a 17 year old and things were pretty tight down there, I thought it was meant to stretch!! I think my gp said something about they cut tissue out and make it narrower but I dont really understand the biology of it. I am just putting my trust in the doctor to do a good job but it is really scary. What's your gp like? I have a male doctor who is lovely, I would personally go and see my gp but I don't know what kind of relationship you have with yours.

IDoAllMyOwnStunts Mon 28-Oct-13 17:40:23

Heehee electricalbanana sorry had to chuckle at you trying to produce with a sheet over your head. You trump me though on peeing yourself before you were even asked to cough so fair play to you on that one grin
Did you not see consultant today to talk through your urodynamics results? Or is that when you next go in?
I would say get it done soon as you can, life is so much better I can't tell you ( I know I sound like a reformed smoker who is being annoyingly evangelical about its merits but all I had found on tinternet were tales of woe about TVT and not success stories so I think I'm still so amazed that its actually worked!)
I opted for a spinal block for the surgery rather than a general, it went ok but found it a tad humiliating to see them all stood round my bits with my legs in the air. Intriguing to see what goes on in theatre though but I guess you know that anyway from your previous job, depends if you know anyone in there I suppose, ooh the shame!
Best of luck anyway, keep posting updates x

IDoAll....

Well the crappy thing is... Yes I do know the staff. It's been a few years but the nurse who did the test was a student 1000000 yrs ago on a ward I was running!

The next app is to see the cons re the right surgery. But nurse said she was 99.99999% sure I will be listed.

When I last did a tvt the patient was asleep and we woke them up a bit to cough....but they do spinals now. The only problem is I have spina bifida so I think a spinal will be a no no... Well I wasn't allowed an epidural for my births.

I have shown my lady garden to many at the local hospital ( as a patient of courseblush) and I have no shame...that left the building many years ago!

Will keep you up to date ( app is after Xmas) but until then I will keep on buying the tena lady!

Mrsbapandbabies Mon 28-Oct-13 20:58:59

Hi all,

I'm so thankful for this thread! It's quite a comfort to read all your stories and know that I'm not alone in all this!

Saw my GP today and she has referred me to the gynecologist. She thinks I've definitely got a decent rectocele and a mild uterine prolapse. I was armed and ready to fight for a referral but she was most willing and I didn't complain about half the things I could have.

Very pleased but a bit sad that I've decided to not have any more babies. Would have really liked another one but I just can't live like this anymore sad

abigboydidit Mon 28-Oct-13 21:05:13

Hi everyone. Having a hard time at the moment with my mood so have started a new thread as feel a bit of a fraud posting here, given what many of you are having to deal with.

I suppose it is just starting to sink in that I will be living with this "mild" condition for the rest of my life. Physio say I will not be a candidate for surgery and I will just have to continue with lifestyle changes to maintain the "mildness". The thought of never being able to run around after my DCs is breaking my heart but the second I do anything like that the heavy, falling feeling comes back. At the last session she saw a slight improvement (getting a lift and squeeze, rather than just a squeeze) but then I had a really busy couple of days and suddenly felt a bladder bulge that I have never had before sad. I don't know anyone else who has had this so I don't know if I'm kidding myself, trying to get to a level of normality and just wasting time. Every day I regret going for a VBAC and feel such terrible guilt.

LackaDAISYcal Mon 28-Oct-13 22:11:00

hugs abigboy xx. I am with you on the VBAC. I insisted on a VBA2C. Worst decision of my life, in retrospect sad.

abigboydidit Mon 28-Oct-13 22:17:10

Thanks. Yes, I turned down a 12 week recovery for this?! confused

Tr0ubled Mon 28-Oct-13 23:37:47

lotsofquestions please don't worry yourself yet. I had exactly the same fear as you, and at 5 weeks post op my nerves and patience got the better of me and I tried to insert a finger - I could only just get my little one in and felt mortified.
However I needn't have worried as at 12 weeks I had virtually painless sex wink so be patient, there is still masses of swelling this early in your recovery. I wouldn't worry about it again until at least 10 weeks down the line and hopefully by then it will have healed totally.

lotsofquestions000 Tue 29-Oct-13 10:00:12

thanks troubled and Mrs I had another little look today and I think I was panicking over nothing! As you say everything is still swollen but I think there is still enough of a hole blush.
If not I think I might suggest to DH that he has a shrinkage operation -- to get my own back-- I sure he would be up for that grin. Anyway feeling more positive again now and starting to get frustrated at not being able to go back to my normal levels of activity. Thanks again to all and good luck to those still waiting.
I will keep posting with updates of my recovery as I have been studying so many of these threads and peoples experiences and found it all invaluable x

jcakec Tue 29-Oct-13 12:34:05

Well done Lotsof for having a looksee - I really need to do the same but haven"t plucked up the nerve yet. You said on an earlier post about pains in the bum being hemorrhoids - I wonder if that is what I have - is it a pain quite deep inside? I have been feeling much better and I overdid things at the weekend and felt awful Sunday night with the old dragging pains, it seems to have settled down again but it showed just what a long recovery this can take - 7 weeks post rectocele repair for me now. For those seeking other solutions I do believe that the pessarys work really well for some women - not for me unfortunately, I tried two as the first was too big and very uncomfortable/painful the second kept moving and falling down which again was very uncomfortable.
My heart goes out to all of you struggling with post op complications and to those struggling with getting diagnoses.

lotsofquestions000 Tue 29-Oct-13 14:04:23

Hi jcakec The pain I had that was deep inside was defo from the op/wind/general bowel discomfort then as I was going to the loo (sorry TMI) quite a lot I think it as all the laxitives I was taking, the dreaded piles got worse but the pain was more stinging but coupled with the other back pain.ache was hard to distinguish from. Wow 7 weeks on and still getting aches that seems a bit of a daunting prospect. I think you are right about the recovery in that you can think you are fine then relapse. I am really trying to follow drs orders and not do too much but its going to get harder and harder cos I do feel ok and not in pain at all. I have been trying to get out and have a 30min walk a day this week and all seems fine but Im worried about getting half way to somewhere and then feeling crap. I really do want this op to be the only one

mrsclairet Tue 29-Oct-13 15:27:48

I am starting to feel a bit down about having another op, I really wanted it to be the only op I had and can't believe that I will be having another op only 9 months after the first. The only thing that's keeping me going is that I have no longer got a bulge so I don't feel it's completely failed. My poor DH, he is so good and doesn't complain but I think it must be hard for him. I'm also worried because it's not such a big op this time I won't get as much help..my in laws are away for about 6 weeks when I am due to have it and my sister is having her 2nd baby and is planning on having another caesarean so she will need help so it looks like I will have to rely on my DH getting a couple of weeks off.

I am also a bit worried as I'm planning to potty train my 3 year old next week and I don't want to have to lift him onto the toilet to do poos. I have got a step and a toilet seat, do you think he will be able to climb on himself? I thought about buying a ladder type thing you can attach to the toilet but they have not got very good reviews.

KookyKitty Thu 31-Oct-13 11:34:09

Thanks for the advice, I really hope that I'm one of the lucky ones and things will get better given time.

I've read through the thread and I'm so shocked and saddened to hear of the experiences and problems some of you are having. It certainly puts mine in perspective.

Having said that I feel better knowing I'm not alone in going through this.

I saw the GP and she confirmed my bladder has prolapsed. She has referred me to the gynecologist so I'm hoping that they will be able to let me know exactly what my options are.

In the meantime I'm doing my keegals like crazy!

it's been getting worse the last few days. At least I think it has, it may just be in my head now I know there is definitely a problem. I'm hoping I can see the gynecologist soon so I can feel like I can start taking steps towards getting this sorted.

lotsofquestions000 Thu 31-Oct-13 12:58:21

Feeling really cheesed off today! Cant seem to have a BM since yesterday despite high fibre, lactulose, movicol - what else can I do, feeling a bit bunged up blush and a familiar fullness down below (although not quite in same place as before IYKWIM). So worried that this is going to strain stitches and make op not work sad.
What sort of activity level should I be at now( 3wks). Have been walking slowly for about 30mins - and need to do something!!!! and hoped it would help with BM,s. Definitely feel I could do a lot more than I am doing?? Any guidance out there???

summertimeandthelivingiseasy Thu 31-Oct-13 16:05:04

I found movicol 3x daily took about 2 1/2 days to work. Plenty of water and warm drinks and warm bath?

Bit of relaxation and visualisation.

Exercise-wise, plenty pottering. I must admit I was not walking 30mins a day as I had my op in January and was thwarted by the snow. Hope things improve soon.

Hello all, a bit late but here at last grin. Just to say that I finally had my surgery last week for the cystocele and the tvt tape for incontinence. I'm a bit sore but it's going well. Only 21 months after I first went to the gp shock.

summertimeandthelivingiseasy Thu 31-Oct-13 16:09:45

Also, I had a rectocele repair and things only work if I keep BM to Bristol Stool scale 4 +, otherwise familiar feeliings come back.
foodhospital.channel4.com/fibre-challenge/stool-chart/

Also, practise pelvic floor relaxation and put feet on a box when on loo. Have you tried glycerine suppositories?

I have kiwi fruit and crushed linseed on my porridge for breakfast and have to resort to movicol if my hormones are playing up (progesterone slows down smooth muscle, ie intestines, and I blame that for many of my woes!)

jackurbody Thu 31-Oct-13 23:30:35

I am a newbie, just wanted to say that I am 4 weeks post op from a posterior colpolphorry to repair a rectocele. Have had very little pain and only minor discomfort, and apart from the first week or so when I was really tired, have felt really quite well considering! !
Just wanted to reassure anyone thinking of having the op, that even though you will hear some negatives I am very happy so far.

Alis115 Fri 01-Nov-13 09:36:41

Three weeks ago today I had a sacrocolpexy and a posterior repair for a rectocele and cystocele. I was in hospital for three days post op at my request.
So far things are going well but I am able to take things very easy thanks to my husband. I am still taking paracetamol and ibuprofen regularly everyday but the pain is lessening. Have been out in the car a couple of times (not driving myself) it was ok but not very comfortable. Resting a lot but have cooked a couple of "throw in the pot" meals and put washing in the machine. I am 65. Hope this gives confidence to anyone who is fearful, I feel my op has been successful but still need to take it easy. Was advised 6/8 weeks.

lotsofquestions000 Fri 01-Nov-13 09:56:39

thanks all. Feel a little disappointed about the seemingly ongoing management of BMs I had naively?? thought that once the healing phase was over I would just be able to go back to 'normal'. I generally have a good bowel and even with the rectocele I only had to splint to rid myself of the last bit - sorry TMI. But with me things go on strike as soon as there is a bit of anxiety which there is quite a lot of at the moment (although have managed to go today so feeling relieved - in so many ways!!!)
Getting cheesed of with DH at mo - had row last night because he is basically doing most of the chores (ie my normal life!!!!) and I think he thinks Im shirking when I keep going and sitting down because I feel ok no pain or discomfort. It doesn't help that he hasn't really asked what they did and I don't want to go into too much detail about it all because he is very sqeemish and not all that clued up on womens anatomy, and I don't want it to put him off me! but the trouble is that he then doesn't really get the whole thing about resting, not lifting. A throw away comment he made when I was about 1.5wks post of 'its only being a few more days and then the 2wks will be up' is a clue!! I pointed out then that the recovery was 6wks!!! and I was signed off work until then for a reason!
Sorry for the moan but as all you ladies on here know these are things that you just don't want to talk to anybody in RL about and when people ask how I am I just say 'fine' when really emotionally I feel worried it wont work, anxious of what I should/shouldn't be doing and if it will make things worse - not to mention highly embarrassed by the whole thing.

BitsinTatters Fri 01-Nov-13 14:38:06

Can I say hello

I'm 26 and this morning was refered to the gynea with a rectocele. I'm stumped as to what happens from here. I've had 3 vaginal births and my bits are in tatters.

Hello bits. The first thing that happened for me was that the gynaecology consultant saw me and assessed the prolapse. Because I had stress incontinence and a weak pelvic floor he referred me to physio- I can do a great kegel now! That didn't work so referred back and put on the waiting list for surgery. 16 weeks later I've had the procedure and am now recovering at home. 6-12 weeks recovery with no lifting, pushing, pulling, squatting. The list goes on. My prolapse is fixed so I don't care about it. I do miss picking up my little boy but not the hoovering or washing grin.

To put a timescale. I first saw the consultant in March 2012 and had the surgery on the 23rd October 2013.

BitsinTatters Fri 01-Nov-13 18:28:58

If you repaired, can you have more children?

I don't think I'm done. We would like another ... But I can't go on like this. I can't have a poo without "helping" if that makes sense and i have very little sensation that I need to poo until I have to go to the toilet NOW.

The GP didn't examine me as I was crying too much.

I do some times leak urine - while running etc and coughing and sneezing but mainly it's the bowel bulging into my vagina that's most upsetting. I now feel like the front of my vaginal wall has slipped down into the opening if that makes sense ?

I am planning on having another child, next year if I am fortunate enough to get pregnant. My consultant advised that I should have a c-section. I will say that you have to get used to being examined and that being embarrassed is detrimental. I've shown my fanny to so many people it's worrying how little I care about it these days!

LovesBeingHereAgain Fri 01-Nov-13 18:53:01

I think the they like you to not want more dc as tge pressure/risk if relapse is high.

Maybe the different consultants have differing ideas? I made it very clear we want another child, and at my pre-op asked when, he said a few months after but I'm planning on at least 6 months before we try. Need to give my body a bit of time off.

jackurbody Fri 01-Nov-13 22:42:46

HI, had a posterior colpolphorry 4 1/2 weeks ago, have had hardly any pain just a bit of aching if I overdo it, would defo recommend. Not used it yet, but will keep you informed!!!
So far so good. Xx

lotsofquestions000 Sat 02-Nov-13 19:03:52

Hi Bits and welcome but sorry you are here sad. I cant really comment on whether they will do surgery if you want another baby but Im sure they would recommend a CS if you did.
If you want to know anything about they surgery feel free to ask I am 3wks post rectocele surgery so still have concerns and wariness as to whether it has worked. It all looks different (better) than before but I am scared I will accidently undo the good work but that is a different story.
The surgery itself wasn't half as bad as I imagined, like you are feeling its to total humiliation of it all but I think when you get to the hospital stage you feel better cos you know they deal with this sort of thing all the time.
I made friends with a women in hospital who had had the front fixed and she hardly had any pain at all and said she immediately felt so much better. The posterior is more painful but relatively shortlived (for me anyway) and painkillers do sort out the worst of it.

LovesBeingHereAgain Sat 02-Nov-13 21:46:13

lotsofquestions000 thank you, tgat is tge most positive update I've seen. I've got a rectocele and am scared shitless by tge thought of having it repaired. Have a horrible cold so lots of sneezing and coughs and am so worried about pushing myself into a worse state.

lotsofquestions000 Mon 04-Nov-13 09:40:33

loves my pleasure - I will continue to update with my progress/recovery. Im at the stage now where I am wondering what activity is too much? and worrying about getting extra blobby pre xmas smile. Maybe I should just resign myself to it then in Jan when I should be more back to normal start a new (PF friendly) exercise routine!

curlyclaz13 Mon 04-Nov-13 16:21:15

I have an appointment tomorrow to have a pessary fitted, not looking forward to it and the nurse is a family friendblush .OH has had a look for the first time and told me I am silly for worrying what he would think.

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 04-Nov-13 22:18:10

I've got my preop appointment tomorrow. What should I expect?

Mrsbapandbabies Mon 04-Nov-13 23:38:31

In terms of time scales Bits I was referred last year for physio for my rectocele which didn't help and I left it to see if it would improve. It didn't so I saw my GP last Monday and she referred me to the gynaecologist. I got my choose and book letter this morning and have promptly booked myself in to my local private hospital to see a consultant in 3 weeks! Hopefully you'll get a speedy referral too and you'll get the answers your looking for x

izzybizzybuzzybees Tue 05-Nov-13 00:06:32

bits I think it depends where in the country you are. I saw consultant in February this year for the first time and had a date for surgery within 4 weeks however I was BF my son who was only 4 months so held off. Waiting time in Scotland is 4-6 weeks at present. I've been told by my consultant he wouldn't operate unless our family was complete bit my problems are further exacerbated by hypermobility syndrome. My friend was advised a c section would be advisable.

LovesBeingHereAgain Tue 05-Nov-13 06:06:33

lotsofquestions000 wine here's to a good Xmas!

I was right coughing and sneezing has set of tge aching and my back pain sad

lotsofquestions000 Tue 05-Nov-13 13:14:40

Not sure its time to celebrate yet. I am convinced the rectocele is still there - all be it smaller and in a different place. I can def feel a lump down there when standing up and walking about sad. got to wait 8.5 wks post op before my follow up as well. Anyone had this sort of experience and able to give some reassurance? I def haven't been doing too much!

joclairey Tue 05-Nov-13 14:30:45

I've got my ultrasound tomorrow finally to find out the extent of my prolapse before I see the consultant for the first time. My pessary fell out last night when I did a BM :/

I decided to leave it out until after the ultrasound as surely having it in would skew the results of the ultrasound?

LetItAllHangOut Tue 05-Nov-13 16:19:53

Oh what a fab thread, I wish I had discovered it ages ago! (Am NC regular)

I have a moderate-size rectocele which has recurred - I had a successful repair some years ago, but since I had my hysterectomy in 2010 the rectocele has come back - my womb was the size of a football, with fibroids, so the absence of it has sent everything into the wrong place again. So I have problems with BMs every day and am utterly fed up with it.

So my question is - any experience here of repeat rectocele repair? I'm seeing the consultant again soon and I expect he will suggest it. Am a bit reluctant as have a wonderful sex life blush which is not affected by the rectocele and am worried that more surgery will affect sensitivity. Am also reluctant to have further surgery if it will recur again - but then again maybe it won't as I can't have a hysterectomy again.

TIA.

izzybizzybuzzybees Tue 05-Nov-13 16:24:59

I've just had my preop. Slightly problematic as I'm a wimp in hospitals and when the nurse has taken my BP is too high, 160/110! I've been told to get it checked at GP and hope it comes down otherwise surgery will be cancelled!!!! Help!

curlyclaz13 Tue 05-Nov-13 16:38:46

Well that was a waste of time, I want the coil fitting soon so no pessary for me. Why the doctor didn't say I don't know but the nurse was lovely and reassured me the prolapse isn't too bad.

Haven't posted for a while, the thread seems busy at the moment, sorry so many need it but glad everyone can share and help. I had a rectocele repair about a year ago which has been totally successful (so far) and have a low grade cystocele which is not causing any problems.

Sorry to hear that you didn't get the pessary Curly. I've got to have my coil replaced next month and I'm a bit nervous as it's been in since before my repair last year and now things are tighter it might not go in as easily as the first one did.

Lotsof - my rectocele repair felt slightly swollen and lumpy till about 3 months post-op and the surgeon assured me this was normal. At three weeks you really shouldn't be doing too much still, but I would maybe up the amount of walking, don't go too far from home in case you get too tired to get back, but maybe an extra circuit round the block and speed things up a bit? Don't try swimming yet, too much risk of infection, but you can do it after about 6 weeks.

LovesBeingHereAgain Wed 06-Nov-13 03:57:02

LetItAllHangOut sex was one of my main reasons for not repairing yet too. Although I did have an incident where I felt it get worse and since I have had trouble having an orgasm, not sure if it's related though.

I'm lucky that bm havnt been overly effected as yet but its my main concern whenever I feel ice done something to set it off.

lotsofquestions000 Wed 06-Nov-13 09:11:47

thanks whoknows that's what I was hoping someone would say- physically I feel fine but when I stand up and walk around I get that feeling that there is something there IYKWIM. I take a look and all looks normal but the sensation is there and it does feel lumpy. My bowels are driving me mad too. I just seem to get bunged up every few days despite taking laxitives and lots of fibre - then I get terrible wind blush until I go which can take all day. I am really worrying about going back to work in a few weeks if things are like this it would be awful!! I also really don't want to see many people as everyone will ask if I am ok and I don't want to say I am when Im not but don't want to go into the details as to why not!. I am pretty pathetic I know but I just want to feel normal again!!! Im sure everyone on here can relate to that!

lotsofquestions000 Thu 07-Nov-13 10:12:31

worry of the day! [big sigh emoticon] have been getting some strange pin prick sensations down there in the last few days - not really painful but a bit twingy and not that comfortable. Normal?? does it last? Wondered from looking back on previous threads something about nerves reawakening/ knitting back together could this be it? On the plus side things are starting to feel stronger down there now.

It could be that, or stitches coming out. Try not to worry!

jcakec Thu 07-Nov-13 11:26:40

Lotsof -it does sound like the descriptions I have heard about stitches scratching, so hopefully it is that. I dont know what to think about mine as for the past two days it has been hurting to sit again and I am wondering if there is something else that is causing this pain. It used to hurt to sit before my operation and I assumed that was the rectocele but the doctors seemed surprised that it was hurting to sit. i am doing much more now and excercising but it is such a worry knowing what it is safe to do isn't it? Maybe this pain is indicating I have been doing too much, sigh.

lotsofquestions000 Thu 07-Nov-13 12:06:21

I cant see anything regarding the stitches coming out but I guess if they are all deep inside I wouldn't?? I have managed to get to see the consultant earlier (before I go back to work) thankfully so even tho he may tell me off or not be able to examine me properly ( it will be 5.5 wks then) at least I can speak to someone who knows before getting back to normal.
jcakec I have never had pain sitting down (apart from the week or so after op) so don't really know what to say. How many weeks post are you?
I find it really frustrating that there isn't enough post op info available to us - they seem to literally send us home and say see you in x weeks. We were given an info sheet but it seemed mainly aimed at those having hysterectomies esp regarding some of the advice about getting back to normal - it implied that you could start heavy lifting at 6wks for example, which I have ignored given the advice on here and what consultant said! It is something I am going to say to cons when I see him that a comprehensive guidance and advice leaflet for post op would have been a big help esp to worriers like me!!! but all the things cons said to me were verbal which you don't really remember that well. Jcake I have ordered and just received the Michelle Kenway book inside out which I think whoknows recommended it is expensive for what it is but I think well worth it for the likes of us and future exercise. x

lotsofquestions000 Thu 07-Nov-13 12:19:41

Oh and 'bless you' whoknows you must think I'm one neurotic old bag grin. You are a wonderful support to me xx

Just another thought jcakec is it anything to do with your bowels I do get an aching in lower back when I need to go and haven't been able to - a bit of backup!! which you would also have got with rectocele

Yes, I've got that book, it is good.

Jcakec - I was still uncomfy sitting down when I went back to work at 7 weeks, had to sit on a cushion and lean on one of my cheeks rather than sitting upright. I remember being very pleased with myself when I managed a whole day at work, plus drinks and a meal after work one night all sitting upright at about 12 weeks. Maybe take things a bit easier for a couple of days and see it that improves things?

jcakec Thu 07-Nov-13 13:08:59

Lotsof -it does sound like the descriptions I have heard about stitches scratching, so hopefully it is that. I dont know what to think about mine as for the past two days it has been hurting to sit again and I am wondering if there is something else that is causing this pain. It used to hurt to sit before my operation and I assumed that was the rectocele but the doctors seemed surprised that it was hurting to sit. i am doing much more now and excercising but it is such a worry knowing what it is safe to do isn't it? Maybe this pain is indicating I have been doing too much, sigh.

jcakec Thu 07-Nov-13 13:09:00

Lotsof -it does sound like the descriptions I have heard about stitches scratching, so hopefully it is that. I dont know what to think about mine as for the past two days it has been hurting to sit again and I am wondering if there is something else that is causing this pain. It used to hurt to sit before my operation and I assumed that was the rectocele but the doctors seemed surprised that it was hurting to sit. i am doing much more now and excercising but it is such a worry knowing what it is safe to do isn't it? Maybe this pain is indicating I have been doing too much, sigh.

Lotsof - if you went back to threads this time last year you would have found me posting almost the exact same things!

lotsofquestions000 Thu 07-Nov-13 14:31:16

that's what makes this thread a godsend isn't it!!

jcakec Thu 07-Nov-13 16:51:20

I don't know why my post has been posted 3 times! Sorry about that. Whoknows- thankyou for still being on here and offering us advice and support. It is over 8 weeks now since my op, I can"t believe it. Lotsof - thanks for the book suggestion, it could be bowel related. I don't know why but I too have to keep taking laxative stuff. Even with that it still builds up over a couple of days before I can go on about the third day.

mrsclairet Thu 07-Nov-13 18:25:28

I am having another 'down' day today. (For those new to the board I had my 1st op in May but need another in Jan/Feb). I feel so frustrated because I feel like the operation has made things much better in some ways, the dragging feeling is still there but nowhere near as bad as before and the bulge has gone but after the operation I got really badly constipated which made my existing pile loads worse and now that is driving me mad and I think I am going to have to have it removed. I have upped my fibre intake as otherwise I seem to get a bit constipated but I find when I do that it just gets so itchy and it's really hard to keep it clean so sometimes my pants are getting stained, then it tends to get sore aswell. I suppose that could be the prolapse so I should wait until I've had my 2nd op but I'm just worried another operation might make me constipated again and make things even worse.

I feel like the 1st operation has made me feel a bit more like the 'old' me, now I'm just frustrated that I'm still sore as I have regained lots of energy and want to do things and be normal!! Every time I go to the doctor about the piles they tell me not to have the op because it will be really painful but I think it's causing me lots of pain now!

Also I have been potty training my son this week so have had a bit of a rubbish week stuck in the house clearing up wee and poo!

lotsofquestions000 Thu 07-Nov-13 18:39:05

ahh mrsclairet I really feel for you the thought of going through another op. I assume you have already been trying haemorrhoid stuff - In my opinion it doesn't get rid of them but does help ease the pain. The first cons I saw had suggested getting rid of my piles at the same time as this but my GP said it would be a bit much!! Not sure I would even think about that after all this. Mind you the idea of having a normal fanjo, no piles and even the skin tag removed would be a wonderful idea (imagine being like new again!).
and good luck with the potty training I had to train 3 boys many years ago - can still remember - took months for them to be reliable and I threw away lots of pairs of pants in that time haha!!!
Keep posting when you feel down there is always support on here

GP appt today, she confirmed that the "issue" she diagnosed as a rectocele is still there in her opinion. She has not yet rec'd the consultants letter, but will send me a copy so I know what it says and then we can decide where to go from there.
I love my GP smile

mrsclairet Thu 07-Nov-13 19:25:53

thanks lotsofquestions yes it is so disheartening to know I have got to get through another op. I asked the consultant whether he would do it at the same time but afterwards he said he was worried about the bleeding. Then I was talking to my lovely GP and he said he has known people have to have blood transfusions because the bleeding just won't stop. I am putting anusol cream on every day, I don't know whether to try suppositories but am a bit squeamish with things like that so don't really fancy it. The GP gave me some steroid cream but that didn't work either.

My dad died of a brain tumour within 6 months of diagnosis so I try to keep positive and think well at least it isn't anything life threatening but it does get me down every now and again.

Beyondthelimits I'm glad you have got such a great GP. I have a lovely male GP but think he will be retiring in the next few years : (

Someone else on the thread had haemorrhoids removed with the other repairs and it did cause a great deal of pain in the aftermath IIRC, think it was Troubled. I've never had them (touch wood) so no experience, but definitely worth trying anything else that might alleviate them I think.

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 07-Nov-13 22:54:26

Having a nightmare with my BP. It was raised at pre assess clinic. I was told to see GP this week and had appt today. It was still up, not as high, not surprisingly due to a few issues in the surgery. One being it was an appt at the nurse I'd been given which is really no use. I don't have raised BP, I have white coat syndrome!! I've to see GP, actually GP this time, on Monday and see what happens there. I'm worried the clinic will pick up that I haven't called in with the reduced BPs and that Monday is leaving it too late to rectify ie get a 24 hr monitor done. My BP at home is fine!!

She hasnt been my main gp long even, only since this year. I've been with the same surgery since i was born, with the same GP until he died last christmas sad

My mum has had haemorrhoids removed twice, once post labour and once more recently, unfortunately not at the same time as any other repairs, but I can ask her about it if you have any specific questions about having them operated on?

I do find that using the cream no longer makes any difference when mine appear, the suppositories on the other hand are amazing. Strongly strongly recommend you give them a go smile

jcakec Fri 08-Nov-13 17:05:25

Izzy hopefully if you explain this to the hospital they will go ahead? could you call the ward. surely they are used to operating on people who are very anxious in hospitals. Whilst I was in there was a lady who was having panic attacks before surgery but they managed to talk her through to the anesthetic. I do hope they dont cancel your op, the waiting is horrible.

jcakec Fri 08-Nov-13 17:11:02

9 weeks post op and I have started bleeding and have back ache and pain on sitting. Aghh ....I will spend some time looking back through the posts to see if anyone else has experienced this. So cheesed of.

Any chance it could be a period Jcake?

LackaDAISYcal Fri 08-Nov-13 23:01:07

Sorry to hear of troubles and niggles sad

Jcakec, I second the "could it be your period" Maybe call on Monday for some advice?

Lotsof, I hope things are feeling a bit better today; from previous threads it does seem that things appear to get worse befire they get better, so fingers crossed its on the up from here on in

Mrsclairet, the thought of a 2nd op must be quite daunting; hugs xx Re the piles, anal suppositories are what got me through after DS2. horrible horrible things (the piles, not the suppositories). Now if things falre up I use Nelsons homeopathic pile cream if minor or anusol if a bit more problematic and they disappear again quick smart.

izzybizzy, I have white coat syndrome when it comes to getting blood out of me, so I know how you feel. My veins all shrivel up and doe at the thought of someone getting blood. I have to go to a phlebotomist to have a sample done; they're the only ones that can get my veins to co-operate! I hope things go well for you and they let the operation go ahead.

I am a bit pissed this evening and actually dared to have a look down below shock No amount of eye bleach could erase the image from my mind sad It's all swollen and horrible and there are things there that shouldn't be there (or at least never used to be there) My cervix feels like it's swollen to three times its normal size and is visible if I bear down. Not to mention the ache and discomfort. I am utterly dejected by it and wish I hadn't looked sad Spoke to DH too as he tried to get a bit amorous the other day and I shut him down completely blush. Anyway, I told him how worried I was about it all (given what things look like) and how unsexy and crap I feel, having bled for 88 out of the last 98 days. He was an absolute angel, apologising for being so insensitive, telling me to make sure I tell him how bad things are (he hadn't realised) and giving me lots of cuddles. He also said that he'll book the morning off and come with me to my appointment.

And as an aside, I bought some Always Envive towels as they were on offer in TEsco and they have brought on a bout of nasty thrush. I didn't realise how highly perfumed they are and only nbought them because of the offer and the fact they seemd thinner for greater protection. I'm sure when I used them previously (just as a liner) they weren't as stinky. I have been using Tena mini but could use more protection. Any advice or recommendations greatfully received, though surely these things should be available on the NHS?

Tr0ubled Sat 09-Nov-13 01:14:43

whoknows it was indeed me that had a hemorrhoidectomy at the same time as my prolapse repairs.
All I can say mrsc is proceed with caution. I had no idea of the pain it would cause me. They removed 2 piles, 1 anal fissure and 2 skin tags; only took about 15 mins to do apparently but as I discovered this has no bearing on the healing time. For the first 10 days post op the pain after a BM was worse than childbirth, I couldn't lie down and would kneel over my bed for up to an hour in tears waiting for the pain to subside. 8 months on my sphincter is still in spasm and I can't poo properly, I'm seeing a women's physio for biofeedback which is finally starting to help. She's basically retraining my bowels but also doing trigger point massage internally on the muscles (I am beyond humiliation now!). I don't believe every experience is as bad as mine and I think the fact I had it done at the same time as my vaginal work made it far worse as when the bum went into spasm so did the whole of my pelvic floor which was trying to repair from its own trauma! Speaking gobbledygook but hope it makes sense!!
Needless to say if I had piles again I wouldn't consider having them removed. Have you thought about having them banded? I had that done about 10yrs ago and it was almost painless.

jcakec Sat 09-Nov-13 09:55:34

Lacka - are you waiting for an operation? I am glad that you have a supportive DH . there is just no way they can understnd how crappy these things make us feel.
Whoknows -I think I over reacted last night but the whole area was aching, I must have overdone things. I have tried to get back to normal this week. the bleed settled down and is more of a discharge with pinky browny blood. Am right in thinking if it was an infection it would smell? I haven't had a period for a couple of years so I don't think it is that but I could be wrong, our bodies are strange things. going to rest more today to see if it settles down and see a doc next week if it doesn't. i wasn't given a post op check up.
Troubled - you have had such a horrendous time, I am glad things seem to be improving slowly.

mrsclairet Sat 09-Nov-13 10:10:13

Thanks troubled, yes I thought I could get it banded but the consultant never mentioned that, if I ever go back I will have to ask. My mum said that my dad had piles banded years ago and felt better afterwards. I have also heard of a procedure called halo but I think it's very new and not many GPs know about it, they go in somehow and cut off the blood supply above the pile but don't actually cut the pile out and NICE have recommended it as an alternative to haemmorhoidectomy but I think I might have to save up and have it done privately. Sorry that you have had so many problems.

LackaDAISYcal Sat 09-Nov-13 11:47:24

jcakec, I am waiting for my re-referral appointment. When I saw them a year ago, they said I had a mild cystocele and referred me to the physios. Had a few sessions, then they discharged me after I cancelled an appointment rather than rescheduling as I had asked. Still doing my PFEs but getting despondent as every time I do I am leaking urine and bleeding. I had a side issue of bleeding between periods and after removal of a polyp had a mirena coil fitted. This seemed to be making things better until everything went awry in August and I am where I am now. Things have obviously gotten a lot worse sad I'm wondering if there is some reaction to the coil going on as my cervix appears to be very swollen, and getting more so. I have low grade pain, like period pain on one side and getting quite bloated and uncomfortable on a daily basis. Dr Google tells me things that frighten me!

MrsC, there was something on Embarrasing bodies about a new procedure for treating piles; that is relatively simple and pain free. Might be worth a trawl around their website for more info?

lotsofquestions000 Sat 09-Nov-13 11:58:42

lacka your poor thing - sending lots of cyber hugs to you xx You seems to be going through so much! but DH sounds like 1 in a million.
I'm taking on board all comments about piles and thinking I will just keep treating them as before although I will prob get some suppositories. My GP did recommend them before and I used them for a while but found they made me want to poo which then defeated the object cos pooing made pile worse anyway!! will see how it goes. have good and bad days with them! Did have a shortish walk yest and piles were really stingy but cos it was all down there I wasn't sure if it was them or the op so made me realise that Ive still got to be careful. Oher than that I feel nearly normal and so am really wanting to get back to my life then have to remind myself about lifting etc

LackaDAISYcal Sat 09-Nov-13 12:16:20

thanks lotsof; I hope you get some respite soon; as if there wasn't enough going on without the additional aggro from piles.

When I used suppositories, I put one in last thing at night before I went to bed, so wasn't aware of any side effects.

Having an easy day today; DH let me sleep as long as I needed. He really is a star as he is up at 4.30 every morning with our chronically early rising DS2 and is the one most in need of a lie in! He said I should have explained before how bad things are as being a typical bloke he just thought it was a little bit of discomfort/irritation and didn't imagine the psycological aspect of it. Having had gallbladder problems, depression, diagnosed with lupus a couple of years ago and now this, I feel I am testing the "in sickness" bit of our marriage vows to the limit!

mrsclairet Sun 10-Nov-13 09:13:57

lackadaisycal I know what you mean, I have spent so much time at the hospital this year with my kidney stone and biofeedback sessions and consultant appointments I am getting rather fed up of it. My DH just expects me to get on with everything and always seems to think I'm fine, although when I had the op he took 2 weeks off work and did everything which was brilliant. You are lucky to have such a supportive husband.

My hope with everything is that there will be a new treatment in a few years that will sort things out, they are making medical advances all the time so that sort of keeps me hopeful when I get down about it all. I will have a look on the embarassing bodies website, thanks.

lotsofquestions000 Sun 10-Nov-13 10:40:25

I will try that re piles.

have worked out what the stinging I've been experiencing is now following another look!. I have been stitched up either side at the base of the perineum (what there is of it follow childbirth) but it is like the two sides he stitched were never meant to be together (or haven't been for such a long time!) and that is pulling which is causing the stinging. I hope that is something that will ease/be sorted out easily as it would make sex very sore as I can feel the stinging sensation all the time (when there is no friction!). Will have to see what cons says when I see him in a few weeks at least I know what it is now as I was thinking that I might be doing some harm when walking as it was so uncomfortable.

I have a little question, I'm almost 3 weeks post op and healing well. I know I have to wait 6 weeks until I can do the dirty, but I'm so nervous about how it will be.

I know we should use lots of lube and take our time, but will my lady parts still work IYSWIM? It's an important part of my life, and I'm worried that it won't be as good anymore.

Noordinarygirl Sun 10-Nov-13 15:50:59

Hi All, not been on for a while but just wanted to let you know that I have finally discovered another lovely lady who has actually had the op I will be having on 2nd Jan (sacrocolpopexy). She's the first one I've come across and it's really very re-assuring to 'find her'. I was beginning to wonder if everyone who'd had that particular procedure was keeping quiet for some reason eg. it's a really awful, terrible thing to have done etc etc etc.

Anyway, I keep reading about all those recovering from ops and hoping that you ALL have good recoveries eventually, however painful and slow it mean seem to some, stick with it and take care of yourselves and I hope you ALL have enough support, both emotionally and physically. Bigs hugs........

flouncymcflouncerson Sun 10-Nov-13 22:27:43

I've got GP tomorrow to get BP checked and a note for hospital. Hoping it's ok but I can feel myself tense and anxious just thinking about it! ive NCed from izzy

LackaDAISYcal Mon 11-Nov-13 10:05:24

Good news Noordinarygirl; and what was her view on things? I read a <whispers> DM article on someone who had had a laparoscopic sacropolwhatsit but that was the only refernce I could find.

I've been doing a bit more research and some of the symptoms I have may be down to endometriosis. Anyone any experience?

Well done on even thinking about sex maccapacca!! No advice, but from what I've read, it can cause problems. It's a case of trial and error I suppose and taking things slowly. (Was about to say you'll just have to suck it and see wink grin )

Good luck for your appointment izzy!

lotsofquestions000 Mon 11-Nov-13 10:24:54

that's great news noordinary it will help having someone to share the experience with IYKWIM!!
macca brave women to be even considering it at 3 weeks grin. I am just over 4 weeks and don't know whether I will be ready to get back in the saddle at 6 weeks - mentally as much as anything - although I can say that I dont think that it will actually affect my sexdrive - it will just be an anticipation thing I think - like the first time after childbirth!!
flouncy good luck with your BP check - just think calming thoughts haha!
lacka I don't really know much about endometriosis but I do know that it can cause lots of intermittent bleeding so you could be on the right idea - good luck getting to the bottom (pun!) of things and getting sorted.
I am feeling a bit less stingy today and really almost ready to return to RL and have something to look forward to - like Xmas!!! - off to amazon now smile!!!

kianaidan Tue 12-Nov-13 09:58:33

Hi all, Just wondered if I could ask some questions and see if anyone has similar. Since having my 3rd son 4mths ago I have bleeding from my back passage when menstrating. I also have issues emptying my bowels, getting backed up. Although with diet modification I do manage to go once a day. Also even if I clean thoroughly if I go back a while later therr is still something there if I wipe. Can.t find anyone else with these problems. sad

This thread may be of interest if you haven't already seen it everyone.

Q&A with Women's Health Physios

flouncymcflouncerson Tue 12-Nov-13 22:14:28

Surgery is tomorrow!! I'm frightened and my IBS is flaring up. I have ranitidine to take tonight and tomorrow morning. Do you think I could take some Imodium in the morning so that I don't get the squits?!

I don't think you should take anything this close to surgery if you can avoid it, might be contra-indicated? What time are you supposed to be nil by mouth from, are you morning or afternoon list? Also, when I had mine they made me do an enema the night before to have a good clearout, so a dose of the squits may be no bad thing.

Good luck BTW!

cardamomginger Wed 13-Nov-13 00:35:30

don't take immodium!!!! the general and painkillers will block you up as it is - you don't want to make it any worse!

lotsofquestions000 Wed 13-Nov-13 10:07:18

Flouncy - I agree with the others - being blocked up is the last thing you want! good luck with op tho

Noordinarygirl Wed 13-Nov-13 22:48:33

Lacka, I had endometriosis for years in my twenties. Ended up having 2 laparoscopic ops to laser off 'lumps' of the stuff inside where it shouldn't have been along with a D&C (no preganancy there just a general 'clean up' inside!) Ended up on some tablets that made me go really emotional and strange. It all disappeared after I had my first daughter and periods regulated to every 28 days too - something I'd never had prior to that. At the time I was told there were 2 options - a hysterectomy or get pregnant.....I was totally shocked - I was in the Navy and I was ONLY 23! Anyway, it did work out in the end as I insisted I didn't want either and gritted my teeth and got on with things. I could go 7-8 weeks bleeding some times. Looking back I think my lady bits were never meant to give me an 'easy ride' (no pun intended there!).

My sacrocolpopexy 'pal' is Alis115. She says it's pretty rubbish for a couple of weeks (no getting dressed even!) and then it's a pretty tiring, slow recovery. Alis is only about 4 weeks post op as yet but reckons it's been successful - which is brilliant news. She does re-iterate that I will need to take it really easy and rest LOADS - something that still concerns me a lot as I have a house full of people that seem to think that cleaning fairies visit everyday and do their magic when no-ones looking! (sorry for moaning but really not in a good mood today - bad day at work, bad day for insides as no BM and bad day at home - am almost at the point of splitting up with partner just can't decide how to do it with the least upset for everybody!)

Hi,

DD2 was born last December, I had a 2nd degree tear, and my stitches broke down. I was told nothing could be done, that it would heal eventually. Probably. It settled down, but my perineum is now shorter than it used to be, it obviously didn't heal all the way up.

I have recently discovered that I have a rectocele. Things had never felt quite right, no matter how many PFE I kept doing (they never felt quite right either) and I recently became a bit constipated, hence the discovery!

I've been referred to gynae and have an appointment in a couple of weeks. I am wondering a few things…

1. Will surgery be the only answer?
2. How long should I expect to stay in?
3. Any particular issues with caring for DD2 afterwards?

And the question most on my mind-have any of you/anyone you know been to Ms Glew's clinic in Bristol? Is she good?!

Thanks for reading smile

lotsofquestions000 Thu 14-Nov-13 11:41:11

change my dr certainly said to me that surgery was the only option for a rectocele and that PF exercises wouldn't help. I am now 5 weeks post op.
I was in 3 days and told no lifting, hovering, ironing, pushing shopping trolleys for 6 weeks and then for another 6 weeks still being careful re lifting etc. So you will need help with kids lifting etc.
I cant say its been pleasant experience so far but not as painful as I thought it would be after the first week and Ive quite enjoyed being lazy -and watching my DH having to do all the things I normally do-.
I still don't feel back to normal down below yet and that is concerning me a bit. I had a bit of a poke around the other day as was feeling more confident and made it feel quite sore - so cant believe that they say its ok for sex at 6weeks!! must be a man that made that decision as I think it would be very tender for while yet. Don't know about Bristol Cons.
noordinary I can sympathise on the housework front it is like that in my house - my family have a cleaning fairy!!! the trouble is they don't notice when its not clean either!! Grrrr!

lollylou1 Thu 14-Nov-13 12:57:43

Hi. So glad I have found this thread. I recently had a rectocele, cystocele and perrineorraply (sp!) I am week 5 post op now. First week or so literally did nothing, DH was good(ish) but soon got fed up and I really think he doesn't realise how frustrating it is not being able to do things. Anyway I was just wondering if anyone can relate......... I am back to work, no lifting etc, but am still very uncomfortable. Saw my cons 2 weeks ago and he said stitches were still in. I get a poking feeling every now and then but generally feel as though i have something stuck up there (sorry tmi). Is this normal? I was told no excercise till after christmas, only walking, but sex after 6 weeks........ are they joking!! The thought is making petrified let alone the actual act smile. I had this operation done after a novasure ablation as I was suffering badly with periods. When I went back for check up I explained that sex was slightly uncomfortable and a bit 'numb'. Cons has been great and aked other questions regarding incontinence etc and i was told that this operation would help. At this point I'm wishing i'd never had it done!! Is there light at the end of the tunnel????/

lollylou1 Thu 14-Nov-13 13:04:25

lotofquestions some of your thread really cheered me up. Know what you mean about the 'cleaning fairy'

Homebird11 Thu 14-Nov-13 13:05:43

Lollylou, I am also 5 weeks post operation from the same set of procedures and it doesn't feel right yet, still quite swollen and I also still have my stitches. I'm not back at work yet as I ended up with an infection which has taken a while to shift, so I'm hoping this hasn't undone some of the work. You are doing well if you are getting on with things.

Thanks Lotsofquestions for your answers, may I ask why you were in for 3 days? Was it for pain relief and medical reasons or more to make sure you had a couple of quiet, restful days wink ?

I'm a bit anxious about that, as DD is still quite needy at night, and only I will do. Not much fun for her or DH if I'm away that long. Mind you, I suppose it may be a while before a surgery date comes through, and she could be quite different by then (hopeful emoticon!).

Homebird11 Thu 14-Nov-13 21:10:46

Changemyhappy, I was also in for 3 days. I had a catheter and a vaginal pack in for 24 hours and they wanted to check that the bladder and bowels are both working before leaving to go home, or that was what happened in my case. I also had GA so was pretty much bed ridden for the first 24 hours.
I was pretty knckered for the 1st week after the opp and spent quite a lot of time asleep, so needed someone around to help out.

NeopreneMermaid Thu 14-Nov-13 23:03:37

I haven't been on since thread 7 but just waned to drop in with some light at the proverbial (and literal) tunnel. I had an anterior repair in Feb and a posterior repair in June and, although I had complications with the second one, everything has now healed.

I can walk, jump, lift the DCs, etc with no discomfort AND my innards remain innards! I'm now on countdown to the New Year; 2013 can just do one as far as I'm concerned. smile

lotsofquestions000 Fri 15-Nov-13 10:19:08

lolly you are at the same stage as me and I feel comforted (IYKWIM) that you still have issues as I do too. I go back to work next week and am feeling a bit depressed by it all at the moment cos everyone assumes you are pretty much ok - as if 6wks is the magical, all back to normal date!! I feel really lumpy and the skin is hard and Im wondering when that will ease - I hope it does. And as for sex - gotta be joking! Also still having issues with BMs I am still taking laxitives as I don't feel as if I can push with any confidence - in fact I had a bad tummy yesterday and simply had to push and felt something pop inside so Im even more wary now - although everything stlll looks the same - sorry if TMI. But my BMs used to be fairly predictable and now I find I don't/cant go when I need to now always - even with the laxitives so its all depressing me quite a lot! Also want to be more active again but not sure what is a safe level - as turning to comfort eating a bit too much now!!
change I don't really know why 3 days think it is standard round here. Some people on this thread have only been in over night but I thought 3 days was about right as you aren't very comfortable and to go home to a demanding child would be hard. I also had a catheter in for 24hrs (but no pack). I wa ready to go by 3 days cos although had issues with BMs (as still do) I got to the stage where I felt they couldn't really do much more for me.

lollylou1 Fri 15-Nov-13 17:42:56

[neo] My thoughts exactly, can't wait to say goodbye to 2013 and welcome in 2014, hopefully in comfort!
[homebird] I was only in for overnight stay but also managed to succomb to infection, luckily anti biotics did the trick and shifted it. I went back to work as I was feeling guilty but only do three days, but omg did i feel it Thursday. Literally laid on sofa most of the day! Felt soo uncomfortable and bit downsad
[lotofquestions] I am pretty much the same, sometimes really gets me down and i have put on about 5lb sadwhich gets me down even more as christmas coming up. I too feel bit lumpy and with hard skin. Not too bad on the BM, thank god, i just keeping taking 'lactulose' every couple days to soften. But still quite nerve racking every time I go. I am soooo coming back as a man next time round! They haven't got a bloody clue angry

mrsclairet Fri 15-Nov-13 19:33:56

neoprene that's brilliant, really great to hear for me as I'm facing my 2nd op in feb/march next year.

change - I was in for 5 days but could have gone home sooner. When they took my catheter out I couldn't wee and then it had to go back in and then I still couldn't wee, it was 3rd time lucky. I ended up taking morphine though for 3 days and then one of the doctors came in and said why is she still on morphine?? It ended up making me feel really sick and light headed and making me really constipated so for my next op I will try and keep the morphine to a minimum! I am having a different consultant do my 2nd op and he said he would have just sent me home with a catheter strapped to my leg!

3.5 weeks post op and apart from feeling shattered and needing lots of naps it's going ok. Internally it feels swollen and lumpy but am hopeful that that's normal? No work for a while fortunately- my job is both physically and mentally taxing so they are keen for me to stay at home. Not going to argue about that grin.

gottagetthroughthis Sun 17-Nov-13 17:10:02

I pop in every now and then cos apparently have a stage 1 rectocele but when I had sex (tmi blush) it hurts at the front I am 53 its been 6 years since I had a period anyone else experienced this? Woul dluv to know also has anyone tried r=the ring pesseries available - not too sure about these or even if I wanted to use one when is it ok or can I still have a sex life whilst wearing one? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. thanks

jcakec Mon 18-Nov-13 13:45:23

Hi gottaget, I tried the ring pessary. They are successful for some and yes you can have sex. Mine didn't work though. Firstly because the doctor couldnt find the measuring tool to get the right size so she guessed. First one was too big and really hurt. Second seemed ok at first but then kept falling down then became uncomfortable. sometimes they just dont stay in place . But if it had worked I think I would have stuck with it for a while to put off the operation. it might be worth you trying one even if you do want an operation as you may be waiting a few months.

gottagetthroughthis Mon 18-Nov-13 13:59:52

thanks so much I want to delay the op for as long as possible but I love cycling and we hope to be going grape picking next year and don't know if I can without making my prolapse worse - it doesn't really bother me but just wondering if the pessary was a success it would be a bit of a support therefore delaying the need for an op but not sure if it would work that way or how bad it has to be before they give you one. I know my mother-in-law is in her 80's and has worn one for years but hers is a womb prolapse - not sure if that makes a difference. But thanks for the reply smile

Crap! Just picked up my son without thinking. Very briefly and put him down quickly but now my pelvic floor aches. Please tell me I've not damaged it? hmm 3.5 weeks post op for front wall repair stage 2 cystocele.

jcakec Tue 19-Nov-13 09:03:12

Gotta -as I understand it they work best if the prolapse is not too bad, less chance of the pessary being just pushed out by the prolapse. i also think there are different shapes for different types of prolapse. i would go to talk to your doctor, hopefully you have one who knows about them, we have a womens health clinic at our gp's which is really good. Macca - it must be so hard not to pick him up it is just natural. Hopefully if you rest today the pain will settle. it is a nightmare isnt it worrying about damaging the work done.

jcakec Tue 19-Nov-13 09:13:03

Well we did it! 10 weeks post op and we did the deed. I was rigid with fear and it was thankfully over quickly (it has been quite a while smile ) I am relieved to say it wasn't too painful so for those of you thinking about when to have sex again - there is no way I was able to at 6 weeks, I don't know why we are told 6 weeks.
On another note this has convinced me even more that the pain I have when sitting is still the same as before the op and is caused by something else. Does anyone know of any other causes of pain when sitting and aching when lying down?

lotsofquestions000 Tue 19-Nov-13 10:16:43

Well Ive had my follow up check - told all looks ok but stitches are still there so no sex for a few more weeks (no great hardship!!) In fact that was the one thing that really p... me off with the registrar who examined me - he seemed more concerned about my sex life than anything else (I don't mean in a pervy way) just that twice he told me before examining me that I could have sex now - I hadn't even asked that question!!!! But less concerned about the things that I was concerned about - which brings me to here again!
So anybody further down the line than this found that they have been restricted by the heavy lifting imbargo! The reg told me that I could resume gym, walking, running and everything now but never do heavy lifting again. I know it is something they always stress but in reality has anyone found that it is really restrictive in day to day life (like hanging washing out and food shopping also for those with young children) I have 4 boys in the house so washing and shopping are no light weight activities. I do realise that I will still need to be careful for a while but Im talking more long term. Also BM - while they are a lot better now, he stressed - don't get constipated - is it me, but you don't actually know in advance if you are going to be constipated, so do I continue laxitives for ever just in case or just take if things don't function for a day or two. I think laxitives become less and less affective the more you take them anyway?
Other than that I feel more positive today than I have felt in a while (might just be because the sun is shining!) Things do look much better and feel more comfortable and I don't think sex will be an issue when the time is right (not at 6wks for me!!!!!).
I hopefully will be able to get that sort of thing back on track although I have to say here as I couldn't really say in RL that I have been very disappointed by my DH lack of support, mainly emotionally for me - he has just not encouraged me to talk about anything, comforted me, or wanted to even understand what I've had done and why, not been able to understand why Ive had down days - well he wouldn't cos he has just not wanted to know! He has made such a drama over taking over the household jobs that I couldn't do and generally p.. me off. Not to mention disclosing to some of his friends that I was having a girly op when I specifically had asked him not to tell anyone, so Ive had to deal with the indignity of more people knowing about my faulty fanjo than I would have ever chosen to know! and I think that is going to take me a while to get over - its certainly made me question my marriage privately - but wouldn't want to break up the family home so its something I have to get over!! Maybe he forgot the 'in sickness and in health' vow!
Anyway have decided I need to start looking at things more positively and for all those waiting to have it done, at the moment I don't regret it as it was done for my health and to make me feel better about myself, my fears about being sewed up too tight are unfounded and while things are lumpy and hard down there at the moment Ive been told that will subside as the scars heal. It not something I want to repeat (hence all my concerns about future care) and its been some sort of an emotional roller coaster but I can now look forward to 2014 and hopefully some more positive times. Sorry for such a long post, just getting a lot of things off my chest and good luck to all those waiting to sort out issues x

mrsclairet Tue 19-Nov-13 10:43:14

lotsofquestions I am really disappointed with my DH too. I have 2 boys and sometimes so wish I had a girl because men are so crap and uncommunicative. I have a really lovely relationship with my mum, we don't live near to each other but I will phone her up and be chatting to her for an hour sometimes, I think I will probably never get that having sons! My DH was brilliant looking after the boys for 2 weeks but then as soon as he went back to work he just expected me to do everything again. Like you say he has given me no emotional support whatsoever, if I say my bottom is hurting or something like that he'll just go 'uhum' and yet if I say it to my mum I'll get loads of sympathy and support. It's not enough for me either to leave him but I think it's going to be really important for me to maintain my girl friends because my mum is getting older now and I think I will find it so hard when she is not here anymore and I don't have daughters to share things with. I haven't really had sex now for 3 years so I understand why he is a bit fed up of it all, even though I had the op in May I have told been told I have got scar tissue which will make sex painful so haven't even tried it but I'm sure he wouldn't want to do it if it was going to cause him lots of pain either. I know he would be really annoyed if he found out I was saying things like this online but I think it is important to let it off your chest because otherwise you just feel this burning resentment and that is not good for your relationship!

lotsofquestions000 Tue 19-Nov-13 12:45:10

mrsclairet I know exactly how you feel. Love my DSs dearly but when you are in a male dominated house and a non touchy/feely one at that it is so isolating. And I know what you mean about keeping in touch with the girly friends. I have had such a lot support from the few friends I shared the gory details with and if that's one thing this whole experience has taught me its that I must make more effort to spend time with them. Men are crap and uncommunicative (apart from the few good ones) and Ive felt so on my own ( my mum has been quite good although even she was grossed out when I told her the issues I had!!) and I'm quite a private one about things like this so have really not wanted to talk about it with everyone and anyone.
Oh and my DH thought after 2 weeks I would be fine too! I think my whole experience has just made me feel so resentful to him. He is a good dad and I have to hold on to those thoughts and I will get over his lack of support but makes me sad sometimes that the one person I should be able to share everything with in complete faith, trust and support, I can't. Like you say though just to be able to air your feelings somewhere does help to offload some of the resentment. Mine would be cross too if he thought Id put this on - possibly even a bit surprised!!!as he hasn't bothered to actual ask me how I 'feel' (beyond the physical aspect of it all). Maybe there should be a thread for women with unsupportive husbands!!smile x Oh and Mrs hope you get your issues sorted out xx

happylilme Tue 19-Nov-13 13:00:36

Hi all Im new here but I am so glad I found this thread. I have a rectocele and I have to say my GP was fantastic. Sent me to gyne. I have my pre op assessment tomorrow and was wondering what questions to ask. I am not actually afraid of the pain after the op and Know it's going to be bludy sore. What I am rather nervous about is the going to sleep part and the concoction of drugs. I cant have morphine but it seems the standard drug the use for pain relief. I am rather worried about pooing (tmi sorry) after too. I am prone to constipation. I guess I just would like reassuring as it is such a taboo subject that we don't speak publicly about.

happylilme Tue 19-Nov-13 13:42:58

By the way, I have 2 ds and this happened after my 2nd normal delivery. I had a bad tear with both birth. I found it interesting that the consultant asked me who had carried out my stitches. I said my midwife, he then asked if she asked a surgeon to have a look, I said no. I was originally told it was a 2nd degree tear. But I heard him say to the junior DR it looked more like 3rd degree and surgery would of been better. Bit baffled really. It will just be bliss being able to poo straight lol

flouncymcflouncerson Tue 19-Nov-13 16:19:12

Hello. I got out of hospital on Saturday after op on wed morning. Ops went well no complications however when surgeon came round on ward round he said that my uterus has dropped too but he hasn't fixed it. Seems odd to me and I didn't get a chance to ask anything. He has made it very clear more children is a no go and that I need to be very careful and not lift for twelve weeks. Seen my physio as well who I've known for around 5 years so I've been told no sex for 12 weeks also due my hypermobility and how things will heal for me and my dodgy tissue.

I'm a bit worried that it's not worked or I've ruined it. I sneezed yesterday and it feels not right now. I also feel like I'm leaking urine which I never really did before. I will get op appt through for 6 week check so will know more then.

Been sent home on cocodamol only after having tramadol and morphine in hospital. Can't stomach the laxado but taking the senna they've prescribed. Will try get to GP tomorrow but not likely due to stupid system. Will need a sick line too though.

happylilme Tue 19-Nov-13 16:46:16

Flouncy how long did you have to stay in for? I got pre op tomorrow but have been told nothing so far. Very nervous.

happylilme Tue 19-Nov-13 16:53:17

Sorry just read 3 days, how embarrassing

flouncymcflouncerson Tue 19-Nov-13 17:08:51

happy try not be too nervous. I was really anxious and my BP was stupidly high because of it and i nearly had the op cancelled because of it! Was a whole load of faff to prove im just an anxious patient.

happylilme Tue 19-Nov-13 18:36:27

I do suffer from anxiety, someone in work suggested you can get a mild sedative the night before. Not sure if you are allowed. Im glad you came through it. My operation is on the 6th Dec hoping im feeling half human by Christmas.

Dragonroad Tue 19-Nov-13 20:31:48

Hi all. I have been reading through all your post and tracking people who have been having their operations. I am booked in for a rectocile repair and a TVT on 11th December. They might repair the bladder prolapse and uterine prolapse at the same time?
I was wondering if anyone knows if there are any problems with having a hysterectomy? I have had very heavy periods for years that are getting worse as I get older (48) and at the moment I would see it as a bonus to get rid of it. I wouldn't want to affect sex or anything else after the op but since the surgeon is down there I would happily lose it!
Any thoughts?

flouncymcflouncerson Tue 19-Nov-13 20:32:28

I got temazapam (?sp) on the morning of the op so was actually quite calm by the time I was taken to theatre. It was the pre op that was my problem. I'm a worrier which doesn't help things.

LackaDAISYcal Wed 20-Nov-13 13:07:43

Just back from my gynae appointment. Saw a young registrar, after sending the first one away because it was a he. The good news is my womb isn't falling out. The bad news is that I have a large fleshy polyp the size of my thumb hanging down into my vagina. After deciding it was too big and would be too risky to try and remove it there and then (I am shock that she would have even considered it) they are sending me for hysteroscopy as a day case and once that is removed that should hopefully sort out the bleeding issues.

Re the cystocele and rectocele, they are definitely there, definitely worse than last time, but still what they consider minor, and they have referred me back to the physios again. They said that because of my connective tissue disorder they would be loathe to operate on me "this young" as I will undoubtedly need repeat surgery later in life. And I got the "lose more weight" speech again.

What gets me, is that although in the grand scheme of things they are small, they are having a massive effect on the quality of my life, but this is not a factor taken into account when deciding whether/how to treat angry. I do not want to be terrified of having sex ever again for the rest of my sexually active life or having to wear incontinence pads all the time. I'm only 44. I did ask if they would consider surgery if I went private and was told it would very much depend on the consultant, no offer to speak to my consultant or anything.

So, I feel like I'm back to swuare 1, but with no hope of things getting any better any time soon sad. Feeling a little bit glum about it all; I feel that they have basically said that because of my age I need to put and shut up and do my PFE's. I'm also a bit sore after all the poking and prodding that they did.

Had an impromptu visit from an old friend today though, so that has cheered me up a little bit smile

lollylou1 Wed 20-Nov-13 14:41:42

So into week 6 now and feeling a tiny bit more comfortable but as a number of you have said ' no way to the sex part'. I panicked the other day as I had a bigger than usual BM (tmi) and then was bleeding after!Totally threw me but bleeding stopped after a day, Still taking lactulose every few days just incase but as you said lotsofquestions don't really want to take it forever!
Quick question, saw my consultant nearly 3 weeks ago and he said he didn't need to see me again! I think I would feel more
comfortable if I was checked out as I still had my stitches then and would like to know how i'm healing and that everything is OK? I am right to want to see him again?
lotsofquestions and mrsclairet sorry to hear about your DHs. Bloody men are useless, think i've been a little lucky as mine wasn't too bad. Although he does seem to think that the 'cleaning fairy' comes in and does stuff. He was good for first 2/3 weeks but abit like yours, then just seemed to forget! It's only when i'm pale and physically dragging my body around that he says 'oh well you should sit down and take it easy'........ oh yeh ok the 'fairy' can pick the DCs up and give them dinner etc etc. I really think men would not notice if they actually lived in a complete pigsty at times!!
happylilme I'm sure your consultant will reassure you about the drugs they will use. I've had 2 ops since June and was absolutely petrified the first time i went down, but it's not too bad. As for your BM, try taking lactulose before your op just so that it softens you. You can buy it most places, got mine in boots.

lollylou1 Wed 20-Nov-13 14:46:33

Btw happylilme I am on citalapram (anti-depressant) and also take tamazapam (sleeping tablet) at night very occasionally and surgeon said was fine to take both night before my op.

lollylou1 Wed 20-Nov-13 14:51:30

lackadaisy sorry just read your thread. I went to my Gp first and they told me there was nothing they could do. I was suffering with heavy, painful periods. Went private was in within 2 weeks!! Surgeon/consulatant did novasure ablation, then 2nd op for rectocele, cystocele and perrineorraphy (sp?). If you go private that pretty much do what you want, if needs doing obviously. Whereabouts are you?

LackaDAISYcal Wed 20-Nov-13 15:48:38

I'm in Leeds lollylou. It would be the same consultant if I went private, which is why I was hoping to speak to her today, but the NHS works in mysterious ways its wonders to perform and consultants are kept away from the patients at all costs it would seem! confused

LackaDAISYcal Wed 20-Nov-13 15:49:38

I just need to check whether out PMI will cover it, as I have a feeling it might be classed as a cosmetic procedure.

Idocrazythings Wed 20-Nov-13 16:05:19

Just wondering if I can ask if anyone has had problems feeling urine come out? Ever since I had my 2nd child in 2008 who was 8lb 13oz (and a very quick labour and pushing) I haven't been able to feel the urine coming out. I only know it is coming because I can hear it. I also have a mild rectocele and cystocele from this pregnancy but doesnt cause too much of an issue- especially after reading some of the posts I'm quite lucky.

Lately it has been a little harder to pass urine, as well. Actually, if I've had a few many drinks it can take a while. I know eventually ill probably have to talk to the dr, but was wondering if this was a fairly common thing to experience?

Someone up thread was asking about bleeding from back passage when menstruating, and I think got lost in the quick moving thread- that sounds to me like a doctor really should be looking at it. I wonder if there is a problem between the vaginal wall and inside your rectum?

lollylou1 Wed 20-Nov-13 16:05:30

lackadaisy Our PMI covered all of mine, with were with Aviva. Hope you get it sorted out soon x

happylilme Wed 20-Nov-13 19:30:40

Well after a sleepless night had my pre op today. Why I was so worried I don't know, I seem to like to torture myself. Spoke to anaesthetist which was very reassuring, I won't be having morphine pumped into like a previous operation, even though I requested I didn't want the drug. They will give me diazepam?? which I've had before. Will be in Friday until Sunday. Im still worried about pooing before and after operation LOL such a conversation point.
Flouncy and Lolly thanks so much for the advice on such a taboo subject. My eldest boy asked me what I was having done, found myself going red, Mummy is having an operation round the bum area. He found this very funny.
Most people are counting down until Christmas, mine is to the op, such fun. Still I get out of cooking Christmas dinner so every cloud has a silver lining.
Just one other thing, how long did anyone take off work after op??
Cheers xx

I've probably been a bit too open about my op, which has been referred to as a 'designer vagina' by my lovely friends, family and DH! I've been off for a month, it was initially painful and uncomfortable to move, and now I'm just bored and fed up of not driving, watching tv and eating too much. Have put on 5lbs of shortbread biscuit and cake. shock.

I'm seeing the doctor tomorrow to get another sick note, this is mainly due to my job- I work in a mental hospital which is physically demanding and mentally draining, and requires me to be able to restrain/carry heavy things/drive for miles to visit community patients etc. I'll probably need another 6 weeks off which takes me to ten weeks or so off of work.

happylilme Wed 20-Nov-13 20:26:39

I dread to think how much weight ill put on then all that Christmas food in the house lol huge.( . ).
I think it's good you have been open about it Macca. It's pretty obvious now, to me, how common this is. DH can't wait lol seems to forget the actual pain side for me. Dare I say typical man.
I work in the a children's centre (sure start) so fairly active job. I have asked to be referred to occupational health when I go back so work will have to follow by the rules. Maybe phase return. I'm just stressing as I have to be re-interviewed for my job (3rd time in 3 years). Interviews are end of January so hoping i'm recovered by then. (confused)

gottagetthroughthis Wed 20-Nov-13 22:51:51

is surewoman about or footle would love to know how you two are doing - sure - you had been through soooo much and just wonder how you are I used to read your posts avidly you were so positive thanks. Footle you also because I have been going thru my menopause for about 6 years now and am 53 and you were also a more mature woman and very positive thanks. there was another girl who had been through a lot of surgery too at the time but I forget her name (age!!) wonder how she is too - I would love to know how you are doing please post if you are about.

It's ok, weighed myself this morning and have actually only put on 2 pounds! I can blame baking Chelsea buns at 700 calories each for this. I did make 16 blush. Not all for me, but I don't know how many I did eat in the end!

As for being open, I felt like there was only so much mystery I could create around going off from work for over two months, that meant I couldn't lift anything and would be walking like John Wayne. The last part confirmed by my FIL blush at the weekend. So, acquaintances got given the line 'I'm having some repair work done after giving birth to my DS'. Close friends got a better description, and my family know the gory details.

Just been signed off work til the 6th December- the doctor didn't speak to me so I didn't get the chance to plead my case. I'll speak to him closer to the 6th. I don't want to go to work until I'm totally fixed, thank you!

It's all worry it though, because I no longer wet myself or have a defective vaginal wall. It amazes me how so many feel this is a normal part of bring a woman sadangry

it's all worth it

lotsofquestions000 Thu 21-Nov-13 09:32:15

lolly I think the BMs are going to be an ongoing source of anxiety to me cos if I don't 'go' in the morning like I almost always used to I am just going to be bothered about it all day and wondering if it will 'get hard' sorry TMI! Even taking regular lactulose my BMs are still unpredictable now which is really cheesing me off - just bothered by the fact that they say don't ever get constipated - what???! bit out of control even when eating the right things!. Things all seem much more normal that aside and tho my stitches were still in they didn't want to see me again but said if I have more problems to go back to GP for another referral - what a stupid system!!!!!!
happy 6wks off work but not a physical job - my advice is do take lactulose or other softener a few days before op - you will be glad you did! But don't worry too much its not as bad as the imagination thinks its going to be so good luck and don't plan to do anything except be looked after at xmas - its important you rest a lot!
Macca 'designer vagina'!! perhaps I shall start saying that far more dignified that prolapse surgery!!! smile
lolly a TMI qu - but do you find you can 'push' for a BM at all - I am so scared I will just rip stitches that I don't even try - if it doesn't move easily I go away and wait until the urge comes again later - dreading going back to work for that reason alone!!!!
Think Im going to pile on the pounds too what with lack of exercise and xmas grrrrr!

lollylou1 Thu 21-Nov-13 10:18:13

happy I had 5 weeks off but first week back knocked me for six, only do 3 days in teaching. So i would go for anything from 6 upwards especially if more physical.
lotsofquestions I don't strain but do give a little push now (only just been brave enough, so know eaxctly what you mean. My surgeon also told me I can't excercise till after christmas and i've already put on bout 5lb (never thought i'd actually miss exercise wink
macca I too have been fairly open with most of my friends and family, others i've just told 'women's stuff'. My best friend also thinks its hilarious to call it a 'designer vagina' and has done even before i went in for my op, but like i've told her is doesn't feel very bloody designer at the moment...... hopefully by next year she'll be right!

happylilme Thu 21-Nov-13 10:43:08

mmm Chelsea buns :0). Had the best nights sleep in ages. Going to try to have the attitude, it's a fairly common operation, so chill woman. Designer vagina lol since having children couldn't afford anything designer now, once done, they can't take this away from me lol.

happylilme Thu 21-Nov-13 10:46:49

Lolly, i was told by physiotherapist to leave the more high impact sport such as running, rowing etc until bout 10 /12 weeks after surgery, Does this sound right??

The Chelsea buns were pretty fucking beautiful- they were from the good food magazine Christmas edition so had mincemeat, apricots and glacé cherries in them. They took four hours to make but were worth the effort.

I agree, designer vagina is a good description. That or wizards-sleeve alterations shock. I am determined to keep my sense of humour about the whole thing! When I went for my MRSA screening the nurse mentioned they needed one from my vaginal area and before she'd finished talking my trousers and knickers were round my ankles. She then said- we'll do your mouth first! Ladies, i brazened it out blush. Shows how little I care about waving my lady parts around smile

Smokedsalmonbagel Thu 21-Nov-13 13:17:40

Hello!
I've been lurking for ages but it's finally time to post.
I am so scared of what I need to face.
I have a rectocele since the birth of my second child 3 years ago.
I have to assist my poo coming out. I also get a sudden desperate urge to wee and sometimes leak.
I also had anal fissire after both births which sometimes comes back.
I've had pelvic floor physio and lost a lot of weight which hasn't helped.
I go back to the hospital next month and am really worried about what happens next.
Thanks for reading.

Smoked- hi! I've found everyone here really supportive- I've had cystocele surgery a month ago. I think for me the worst thing was having to go through nearly 2 years of appointments, physio, tena pads and all the rest. I was so relieved to have surgery. If you can hang on to that you are doing well!

Smokedsalmonbagel Thu 21-Nov-13 16:59:56

Thank you macca!
As much as anything I worry about the fissure coming back as an after effect of surgery.

I worry about my family too. Im really not much fun to live with. Im seeing my gp next week as my mood is so low.

happylilme Thu 21-Nov-13 18:48:59

4 hours to bake that's devotion for ya. I had to do my own swap, maybe my lady bits just aren't appealing to look at what with the huge bit of my vagina wall hanging out lol. Im offended now.
Smoked, I was like you, I watched what other people were saying but decided to join in with my story in hope that I can help someone else who has unfortunately found themselves in the same position. It also took me a while to pluck up the courage to go to the GP. Embarrassment left at the door I am glad I have. Got my op in 2 weeks, nervous as hell about it but hopefully 6 weeks of pain will mean a lifetime of not worrying.

happylilme Thu 21-Nov-13 18:52:04

Swab, back of the class for me!!!!!!

Dragonroad Thu 21-Nov-13 20:42:26

Went to my Pre op appointment today and god bless the NHS, they had lost the piece of paper from the consultant to say which operation I was having. She read through his notes and decided it was only a TVT. Call me over sensitive but I cried! I am so worried about this op and don't want to come back again after, as consultant said I could at some point in the last appointment!
To cut a long story short, I finally spoke to admissions and he has booked me in for the TVT and vaginal repair, so all is well. I have now emailed his secretary my understanding of what is happening (which will be bladder and bowel repair and perhaps a hysterectomy decided during the operation) so we are all clear. I went into work/bossy mode.
It has really helped reading all your posts and and fully prepared to take laxatives before the event ready for a lovely soft poop after!

Dragonroad Thu 21-Nov-13 20:48:40

happylilme - I am booked in for the 11th of December and so I will watch with interest how it goes for you.
Out of interest, those of you who have had their ops via the NHS, did any of you have your operation dates changed at the last minute? My consultants prefers to do his ops at a local hospital that only does elective surgery but I have had to be booked in at another that is also an emergency/acute hospital and have been warned it is possible it could be changed. Apparently I have to hope that the oldies don't break any hips or get flu! I am wishing them all good health!

Noordinarygirl Thu 21-Nov-13 23:15:41

Pre-op for me too today. Seems as if it's taken ages to get this far this time around! BM are now becoming less frequent - whether that's down to giving up smoking (trust me it SO helps to have easy BMs in the morning but I guess that's a rubbish reason NOT to give up!) or my rectocele I'm not sure. I know I DO get very uncomfortable down there if I don't go everyday. And all this even from eating a ridiculously high fibre diet too. Maybe I'm not drinking enough??

Managed to go 4 weeks now with no cigarettes (feeling very pleased with myself for that - CHAMPIX are brilliant)) and 1st 9.5lbs lost in 12 weeks with Slimming World. Therefore feel generally healthier than I have done in ages. Blood pressure a bit low (which must be better than being high, surely?) and heart rate pretty good too at 66 bpm.

REALLY really not looking forward to Op (sacropolpopexy) and all the restrictions afterwards and the state the house will get in pretty quickly. My partner too has been absolutely crap. Absolute ZERO on the emotional support front just hope he can redeem himself a little post-op with the practical stuff. A lot of them are rubbish creatures aren't they? I think I would be out of here if it wasn't for my op looming - seriously. It's raised some pretty serious issues between us which isn't helped by the fact that he's never got over the trauma of losing his previous partner at an early age (36) from cervical cancer. I realise this might make me sound a bit heartless but the truth is that I'm the one needing support now and the most I'm getting is from my 18 yo daughter and my sister. I'm sleeping on the sofa every night now too.

Sorry to moan but my insides are getting me down enough without having extra emotional turmoil too - or do they often come hand-in-hand like this?

I promise to be on a more positive note next time

happylilme Fri 22-Nov-13 08:37:44

Dragon I shall let you know how it goes, i'll hopefully be out by the 8th so I will let you know between then and your due date. (no happy baby this time just a stitched up vagina, such joy) I am also stressed due to work circumstances so I am going to GP to see if I can have mild sedative just to get me through this stage. I'm going through the NHS they said the likelihood of surgery being cancelled is low. I hope so as I would be devastated. Im trying to stay positive. life has been pretty rubbish especially emotionally. Cant really bring myself to have "fun" with hubby. He has been very supportive and not pressuring me. Hopefully a few months down the line this won't be a problem anymore

lotsofquestions000 Fri 22-Nov-13 09:42:15

Noordinary - good luck with it all and to others. well done with weight loss that will give you a bit of leaway for afterwards haha! Don't worry about the house, mine has got in to such a state and now I cant be bothered to try and sort it - think if the rest of the family don't care - why should I smile!
Yes men are crap with lots of things so my empathy there! But 6 wks down the line I have no pain (bit of stinging tho) Fanjo looks better than it has for a long time although is still hard and lumpy inside at mo but has been worth it. And I am not going to think about exercise other than walking til after xmas. Just need to sort out bowels grrr!

mrsclairet Fri 22-Nov-13 11:37:24

Noordinarygirl it's really interesting what you said about emotional turmoil, I feel a bit like that at the moment, not with my husband but I am feeling really really sad that I don't have any daughters and won't ever because I'm not going to have any more children. I love my boys and don't ever want them to feel like they're not loved or wanted but I so wanted a little girl, I don't have many friends really and my mum lives about 200 miles away and I just wanted to be able to have someone to go shopping with and do girly stuff with. When the boys were babies it didn't seem as bad but now they are 3 and 5 it seems to really be hitting me that it's all going to be rugby and ben 10 and lego and football and I don't get to do the pretty pink things or the sylvanian families etc etc. I even looked up adoption the other night on the internet before thinking no that's ridiculous I can't do that!!

Smoked - I worried so much about the op (am now facing a 2nd op as 1st one didn't quite work) that even my girl friends didn't really give me much support because they were all like oh it's routine, you'll be fine, it'll be all done and then you'll be so much better. But at the back of your mind you think what happens if something goes wrong??!!!! Even though the op was worse than I thought it would be in terms of pain and the recovery afterwards I don't regret having it done at all, it's a bit like childbirth, horrendous at the time but you do forget about it fairly quickly. I'm just hoping this 2nd op is successful!

Nannasylv Sat 23-Nov-13 13:17:36

Hi to everyone here, some of you I have previously talked to, and all the newbies who keep appearing! After about 18 years!!! I finally got a diagnosis of Rectocele, Cystocele, and Intussception, and on the 5th November I finally got the surgeon to agree that repair was the only way for me. I AM NOW ON THE WAITING LIST FOR LAPEROSCOPIC RECTOPEXY!!! To say I am overjoyed would be a huge understatement. Thanks for all the help and support you've given me, in getting this far! hugs to all. XX

Oh, that's brilliant Nannasylv, so happy for you, what a journey you've been on. Was this from your local urogynae dept, or did you end up going further away, I know you were considering it?

Nannasylv Sat 23-Nov-13 18:00:39

WhoKnows, I had to go further, to a hospital an hour from home (crazy when you think I live in Birmingham, with hospitals all around), but I would hae gone further, if needed. You're right about the long haul to get to this point, and he did say it's a long waiting list, as others also are from outside of his area! When will the NHS recognise the need for all health authorities to do something about this type of problem! I'm just praying for a cancellation to bring the date closer now.

Dragonroad Sat 23-Nov-13 20:39:39

Happylilme - I shall keep watching your progress and best of luck. As for your comment about not feeling like having any fun with hubby, I m single at the moment but there is nothing like a saggy vagina to put off the idea of sex. I definitely feel it needs fixing before I want to get into all that.
I got the written confirmation today from the hospital of the date and they meh it clear in there it could be cancelled. I have made all sorts of plans, like everyone else, to be able to do this And my head will explode if it is all for nothing. Still wishing good health to all the local oldies!

Dragonroad Sat 23-Nov-13 20:46:33

Anybody else out there had this done and live on there own? Keep thinking I will be found dying in my own squalor! Ok, bit dramatic but it is going to be a bit lonely. Having said that many of you have small children and that must have its own challenges.

kianaidan Sun 24-Nov-13 16:49:59

Nannysylv - so pleased for u! Read the posts a lot and can.t believd u had to waut so long. I have concerns regards intuss but gp has said not. Could I ask what ur early symptoms were.

happylilme Sun 24-Nov-13 19:05:23

Dragon I know what you mean about arranging things. My mum is flying in 2 days after op for 2 weeks so they better not cancel it. Plus I've told work, the kids and hubby has 4 weeks off (very lucky or unlucky lol might be divorced by the end of it)
I'm hoping this surgery will help both physically, being able to poo without aiding it along will be a novelty, and emotionally, that I feel normal again down in the nether regions.
If anyone could get back to me on these questions
Do I need to take in my own pads to hospital and if so do they have to be like the maternity ones?
TMI alert, do I need to shave my lady parts before surgery?
Nanny I cant believe you had to wait that long, I went to my GP late September, referred straight away, operation on 6th of this month. That is in Leicestershire. I think that sometimes we women are just expected to get on with it and if we moan it's just hormonal. I have very painful periods and specialist (man) said oh it will stop when you go through the menopause. I said that im in my early 30s, he shrugged. I came out fuming. GRRR

happylilme Sun 24-Nov-13 19:16:50

Oh and Dragon I hope you don't feel on your own to quote the tories "We are all in this together" And to quote Labour "things can only get better" Balanced :0)

Happy - don't shave, you are more likely to pick up infections through the abrasions it leaves on the skin. I would have a close trim though, makes it easier to keep clean afterwards. I think I took towels, but didn't need the capacity of maternity ones, just normal ones (and make sure they are unscented).

Dragon - have you got anyone who will be able to help you with cooking, laundry, shopping etc? It really would be advisable to try and find help with those things. I remember someone a while ago going to stay with their mum for the recovery period. My op date didn't get moved, it was done at a big general hospital. Would have been a total pain if it had, I had made so many different arrangements to cover work, childcare, housework etc.

Nannasylv - fingers crossed for a cancellation for you.

Dragonroad Sun 24-Nov-13 22:27:54

Testing, testing, it is either me or this site but something isn't working!

Dragonroad Sun 24-Nov-13 22:40:54

Well it is obviously my Ipad - laptop seems fine.

Happylilme - you made me laugh out loud. I clearly need to take a manifesto from each party into the hospital to read through for inspiration!
As for shaving your ladybits before you go in, I have a waxing planned for the week before. I shall have it done at home so I can use huge amounts of Emla cream and wrap myself up in clingfilm. It works a treat but if there is a fire I will have to go down with the house.
I plan to take my own pads into hospital as I am fairly sure the NHS ones will be functional but out of the arc. Perhaps not with a loop for a belt but probably like a brick.
whoknows - I do have a cleaner booked for twice a week for two weeks. After that it is the Christmas period and she isn't working but hopefully two weeks will be enough. I do have a daughter who lives locally and will pop in often but she has a two year old and a 9 week old baby so I don't want to be a burden. A number of friends will pop in after work from time to time. Not ideal but like all those with small children, I will have to work with what I've got.
I am also very pleased to hear your operation didn't get cancelled. I seem to be getting very bothered by this out of all proportion. Read a newspaper article today saying that the A and E crisis is having a knock on effect to elective surgery. It said that in June it was the worst it has been since 2004. Not what I wanted to read but it also said it is worse in the first few months of the year, so that's a positive. I also suspect they are only talking about those cancelled on the day as hospitals have to report those. If it is cancelled the day before they don't. I really need to stop fretting about it as I can't do anything about it and the vast majority do go ahead.

Noordinarygirl Sun 24-Nov-13 23:26:34

It hadn't even crossed my mind about a possibility of my op being cancelled. Oh darn! However scared I am of it, I'm now counting down the days until I get 'fixed' and can't wait to have some time away from work - however painful it may be!

I will also make sure legs, pits and 'bits' are shaved and/or neat and tidy. It's bad enough to think your feet are up in stirrups with your bits flopping all over the place without thinking they are hairy too (legs I mean!)

Has anybody ever wondered why people actually want to become gynaecologists in the first place? It'd have to be up there (no pun intended) with dentists and chiropodists for me. Yuk!

jcakec Mon 25-Nov-13 15:23:29

Yes I do wonder and especially why men become gyneacologists! my male gyneacologist seemed to focus in totally on whether the rectocele was interfering with sex and if it wasnt he did not recomend having an operation because afterwards sex might be painful. He proceeded to give a demonstration of rubbing his arm roughly to show how abrasive sex would be saying imagine if I had a big scar on my arm and I did this. I was appalled because I wasn't thinking about the effect on my sex life at the time the other things were more important like the going to the loo and the general pain. I think it was because he is a man and just cannot understand what it is like to be a woman and his priorities are coloured by him being a man.
Unfortunately my first two operation dates were cancelled the night before BUT i was assured this was unusual, there had been a bed crisis at our hospital and it was earlier in the year when beds were full after winter illnesses so please don't worry, there is enough to worry about as it is!
My hospital asked me to shave beforehand but I think they all have different policies.
When you wake up you have one of their big chunky brick pads on but after that then I think you just use your own once you are moving around and the catheter is out.
Good luck to those of you about to have your ops.

wouldratherbeskiing Mon 25-Nov-13 17:32:00

Nannasylv - so pleased you have at last been listened to and are finally on track to being fixed. For others still waiting - hope you get a proper diagnosis and appropriate treatment - it does get better.

happylilme Mon 25-Nov-13 18:36:14

nordinary I know what you mean by getting time off work. It's all pretty rubbish there at the mo with job loses.....hmmm I really do have to question my job if id rather be at home with stitched lady parts.

Dragon- I know what you mean about getting obsessed with certain aspects. Mine is about my poo (oops) before and after surgery. I really don't want any whoops during surgery if I take laxatives before.

Thank you for advice about shaving/trimming not something you ask in everyday life. Can just imagine Dragon wrapped up with clingfilm lol things we do. Sometimes its hard to be a woman.

11 days to go. IBS rearing its ugly head again.

Dragonroad Mon 25-Nov-13 19:10:24

Happy - now you made me count my days down - 16 to go....so long my head will burst.

happylilme Mon 25-Nov-13 19:46:05

I made a special advent calendar for my operation with chocolate. Is that sad???? You will be surprised how fast the next few days go. I'm trying to remain calm about it all.
I hope you do ask your daughter for help if you need it though, I'm sure she will be more than pleased to help. I'm like you, don't like asking for help but sometimes we just need to be looked after.
Remember those awe inspiring manifestos. Positive mental attitude lol. You are eating away at those days. :0)

Noordinarygirl Mon 25-Nov-13 20:11:48

Yes definitely after today - I WOULD rather be sitting at home with stitched lady parts than at work with a dumb-ass idiot as my line manager. Don't worry I have a cunning plan. I am aiming to actively look for work whilst I'm off recovering. Just at what's out there to begin with then when I can get around OK I shall actually apply for any jobs I think are OK.

Happylilme - what a brilliant idea about the chocolate calendar. Love it. Hadn't started counting - but I will now! 38 days to go. Woo hoo! I seem to have been 'broken' in one way or another for AAAAGES now. I want the old ME back. I want to enjoy sex again. I want to actually WANT sex again.....

I had to leave work about half an hour early today as I was SO uncomfortable sitting on my chair - I either had to lie down or do a great big poo (TMI sorry). It gets very horrible if I can't empty my bowels soon enough. It's a bit of a catch 22 situation. I love walking and it helps to get things moving but to go walking in the first place is sometimes pretty sore in itself. Does anyone else have this problem?