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Winter vomiting bug

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sadsong Mon 12-Nov-12 08:07:47

So last Thursday the onslaught began with the dreaded bug. I don't think I've ever been so sick. The stomach cramps and waves of pain were awful. It's left me on Monday, half a stone lighter which I'm not moaning about. But I feel constantly nauseous. I can only stomach thin fluids and tiny amounts of food. I managed half a bread roll at lunchtime yesterday and then a v meagre amount for dinner. Have woken up and just feel I could heave at everything. Is this psychological? I do still feel really yuck. I know nobody likes being sick but I think I'm particularly pathetic at it.

myfavoritedayismonday Mon 12-Nov-12 08:26:18

I don't think it is psychological. When I had it in September I felt queasy for 5 days.

Chippychop Mon 12-Nov-12 08:34:29

Ds had it on sat, I've got it now. (S&d) Feel dreadful thought id have to go to hospital felt so bad in middle of night. Seems its sweeping the country. Hope dd doesn't get It.

sadsong Mon 12-Nov-12 08:36:55

I had s & d, so did 2 of my ds. Dh was at work when it all kicked off and my eldest had to look after us all! He though appears to be immune! Thankfully

threepiecesuite Mon 12-Nov-12 08:50:35

Me, DP and now 2yo DD have it. Fun times in our house last night.

WitchesTit Mon 12-Nov-12 09:02:21

Oh dear, but I think once you've had it (the actual rotavirus) you become immune.
Ds2 was hospitalised with it a few years ago as a baby and it went round our family, the simultaneous projectile vomiting and diarrhoea was horrible and ridiculous.

I heard they are vaccinating newborns to protect them, if its true its a brilliant idea, watching my baby shrink by the minute and turn into a listless shadow of himself, completely wrung out by the nonstop puking and attached to fluids via a canula in a hospitable cot was worse than anything.

sadsong Mon 12-Nov-12 09:12:28

Witches that's just horrendous. I was praying my 13 month old didn't get it. so far so good! Strangely dh didn't get it but he was on nights so missed the main impact. Don't know how my eldest son didn't get it. I would just add he's an absolute star. Not many 14 yr old boys wouldn't bat an eyelid at looking after puking brothers all night.

snickers251 Mon 12-Nov-12 09:15:20

Just spent the last week looking after 2yo ds with it. Then getting it myself at 20 weeks pg, I got so tearful I ended up texting my mum thanking her for looking after me whenever sick as a child lol

Would not wish it on anyone sad

sadsong Mon 12-Nov-12 09:26:26

Snickers poor you. How r u feeling now? I have to say I had a life changing experience with head down the loo. And realised I'm going to somehow shut down my business. I've become so run down I just keep picking everything up. This really was the icing on the cake.

inadreamworld Mon 12-Nov-12 09:45:17

I got it about a month ago and I am 7 months pregnant. Was horrible and I am the type of person who boasts that she never catches bugs. Serves me right. DD (18 months) and DH didn't catch it. Well DD was sick once then perfectly fine so I don't think that counts. Poor you - you will feel better soon, I felt a bit queasy for a few days afterwards too but the actual horribleness only lasted 2 days.

Chippychop Mon 12-Nov-12 10:10:42

It's a real juggling act isn't it... Which end to stick on the loo. Thank goodness I saved the empty ice cream tubs. I promise after this never to take being fit and well for granted and to be more sympathetic when others are ill wink

bakingaddict Mon 12-Nov-12 10:29:36

The winter vomiting bug isn't rotavirus, it's usually the term given to norovirus.

Norovirus exists as two distinct genogroups I and II and within these groups there is huge variation. Hence the reason why being infected with one particular species, wont confer immunity against the other possible species you may get infected with.

Rotavirus is a different virus, and it is this as witches said, that babies will be now be getting vaccinated against as it's a major cause of babies needing to be hospitalised

sadsong Mon 12-Nov-12 11:39:42

Good luck anyone going through the same. Today I've only managed water so far. Usually I'm thinking hmm toast, but the whole ordeal I think has put me right off food altogether.

MordionAgenos Mon 12-Nov-12 11:46:09

It's norovirus. And you don't become immune after your first bout, necessarily, because there are variants.

If it's norovirus you caught you'll only be immune for 14 weeks. sadly theres no way to tell what caused it exactly without sending off a sample to a lab.

Watch yourself because when my lot had it last year they all got better went back to school and came down with it again 7 days later. Do not rush into anything if you can help it.

Be utterly utterly OCD about cleanliness-I dettolled, bleached and steam mopped everything, boil washed every towel flannel and bedsheet, and washed my handstil they dried out. I didn't contract it even thought everybody around me did.

sadsong Mon 12-Nov-12 12:02:55

Well I did think more of us would have got it. 6 dc at home, me and dh. But only 2x ds (who share a room together) and me. They've gone back to school today. I think they've bounced back quicker than me. I feel horrible still sad

MiauMau Mon 12-Nov-12 12:08:54

Never had it (have I just jinxed myself and my whole family?). How do you get it? Like a cold or flu?

downtonscullery Mon 12-Nov-12 12:32:00

It's bloodly horrific. I never used to suffer with it until I had dc now, every year, guaranteed I get it. I had a dose of it in Dec 2011 then again in April 2012 I cannot bear to get it again. Horrendous d&v simultaneously meant my bathroom was like a crime scene.

I disinfected everything and cleaned and cleaned so luckily dh and dc didn't get it. I am robust about always washing my hands, using hand sanitising gels when out and about, but I always seem to get it....

I had it at Christmas 2009 and I haven't been the same since. Terrified of getting it again. Loads of DD's class off with it this morning - makes me want to seal the doors and not let anyone in till spring.

downtonscullery Mon 12-Nov-12 12:38:27

I did hear they are 5 years away from a vaccine for the norovirus... I will be first in the queue when it's available!

PelvicFloorClenchReminder Mon 12-Nov-12 12:54:19

thanks to all those suffering.

DS has been off school for a week so far, with really nasty D&V. Not surprisingly, it came my way yesterday but I seem to have fought it off. Single parent with no family around for back up in times of crisis - small nightmare!

MordionAgenos Mon 12-Nov-12 12:57:09

I've had it loads of times (3 kids at different schools, husband teaching at a 4th institution, my job involves lots of travel, and to top it all it's endemic at our local hospital, a hospital at which about 50% of the parents at two of the schools work). I've had it badly 3 times. The first time I didn't know what had hit me, I was scared, but I had no kids, it was sweeping through DHs place of work, I just took to my bed in my own home and rode it out.Fine.

The next time - I was in Tallinn attending a conference. Tallinn. Which isn't a great place to be at the best of times - and this wasn't the best of times, it was in the middle of the coldest winter they had had for years, people were being found frozen to death in the streets all over the baltic and russia and it was allegedly about -30 in the evenings/nights. The allegedly posh hotel in which I was staying was bad anyway.

It was a whole lot worse after my night from D&V hell which destroyed the plumbing (among other things).

I thought I was going to die. I thought I'd never get home.

I didn't due, I did get home but it was appalling. I pretended to be upduffed when flying home to explain the copious V (the D had stopped by then). But it was awful.

The next time, we were on holiday in Cornwall and all 3 of the kids had it too. Vom-geddon. Squitpocalypse. The drive home was......interesting.

Since then, the kids have had it but not me. I'm love to think I'm immune but.....I know I'm not.

MildredIsMyAlterEgo Mon 12-Nov-12 13:19:39

I came down with D&V hell a week last Saturday evening - approx 2 hours after 2yo DS and I arrived at DPs house in Poland. Thank God it didn't start any earlier otherwise that would have been a very interesting flight and 3.5 hour airport transfer shock. I don't know what's worse, the violent D&V or the aching flu like symptoms hmm

I wonder if anyone else on that flight was affected...

DP came down with it a few days later, he thought he was dying. I must admit I was probably more sympathetic than usual having just gone through it myself.

DS has so far managed to avoid it, touch wood it stays that way.

NoToast Mon 12-Nov-12 13:39:09

Oho yes, a couple of weeks ago!

Booked holiday from work, sent dementia-grandma off to stay with her daughters for a few days, had DD booked into nursery and was looking forward to the first 'us' time since DD was born a year and a half ago....

Then the S&D struck all three of us. On the plus side I will treasure forever the memory of DDs throaty chuckles as she watched me projectile vomit into the bath while sitting on the loo...

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Mon 12-Nov-12 13:40:15

Hit DS last week, he was okay after a couple of days, then it hit me last Sunday and I still feel ill. Only ate a couple of slices of toast in a week. Managed some cauliflower and cheese last night and nothing today. Have went from a size 14 to a 10 in the week. I feel like I am dying.

I know this will sound bad but I am glad there is other people here and I am not alone in it.

HannahBerry Mon 12-Nov-12 13:44:43

How long does the adult version last?

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Mon 12-Nov-12 13:47:10

Every adult I know has been a couple of days, I have a crap immune system and it's wearing off after a week. I feel like death.

inadreamworld Mon 12-Nov-12 13:47:23

In my case lasted 2 days HannahBerry but was feeling a bit delicate for a few more days after that. But I am pregnant so think I would have got over it faster normally. Or not got it at all. In DDs case it lasted about half a day!! She is 18 months and seems to have inherited a good immune system from her Dad who never caught it and hardly ever even gets a cold lucky thing.

Phacelia Mon 12-Nov-12 13:54:18

I've had it. I vomited 21 times in 7 hours. Yes I counted.

Awful virus, really hope people can avoid it if you haven't had it already.

MordionAgenos Mon 12-Nov-12 13:56:22

The non stop Deluge goes on for about 24 hours or less. But you're normally most definitely Not Right (and sometimes, depending on the ferocity of The Deluge, in a state of collapse, both physical and mental (there is nothing quite like half filling a bath with your own vomit. It's a sight I never want to see again))for 2 or 3 days in total.

MordionAgenos Mon 12-Nov-12 13:57:02

It's possible that was TMI blush

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Mon 12-Nov-12 14:02:44

Mordion Lol, it's definitely yucky isn't it? grin

Tailtwister Mon 12-Nov-12 14:03:07

Not yet, but I've had similar in previous years. I pity anyone who is going through it.

kige Mon 12-Nov-12 14:14:03

I had this a couple of years ago. It's fucking horrible and I am sorry for anyone who has it at the moment. It is going round my DC's school already so I feel a bit like a sitting duck!!

My eldest diahorreared (sp!!) in his pants when he had it as he couldn't get to the toilet and I thought it was just becuase he was a child that he didn't know in time. Then me and DH got it and both ended up doing the same, unable to get to the toilet due to the speed and force of the expulsions! It was absolutely disgusting and I remember washing everything I could possibly wash. Thoroughly awful.

strugglin Mon 12-Nov-12 14:15:44

My 10month old started with s&d saturday hes been really ill took him to the walk in centre sunday dr gave him diorilyte. I have woken up with it this morning. I managed to get other 2dcs to school. I feel so ill my stomAche keeps cramping and im so cold. Does nurofen work for the cramps?

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Mon 12-Nov-12 14:17:46

I have a question if someone could help.

Since this started a week ago I have had dark brown pee, does anyone have any idea why this is? I drink more than anyone I know so I don't think I could be dehydrated.

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Mon 12-Nov-12 14:19:40

Strugglin Nothing worked for the cramps for me, phone the Dr and as for Tramadol or Cocodamol. Strong ones! Or go to the pharmacy (get someone not ill to go) and get Solpadine Max but make sure you drink loads.

Piemistress Mon 12-Nov-12 14:29:35

Hit everyone in the house on the same night/day! Myself, DP, DD age 5mo and DS age 2.11yr! Wasn't good.,

BeauNeidel Mon 12-Nov-12 14:40:42

I have never in living memory had a vomiting sickness, but have been having crampy nauseating pains in my stomach for the past hour or so.

It hit eldest ds last Saturday night. He vomited every hour for 12 hrs and then had a bad belly for a day after.

Then it hit little ds. Only one lot of vomiting but he had diarrhoea for 5 days.

In the meantime, it got the girls. One vomited every two hours for two days. The other has had violent diarrhoea for 6 days. She has had to wear pull ups because she just can't make it to the toilet.

Then finally it got me Saturday night. I am 11 weeks pregnant and suffering from morning sickness too. The aches and pains were just awful. I fell asleep crying. But today, I have woken up feeling rough, but I'm eating and drinking and feeling much better.

Wishing everyone well!

Chippychop Mon 12-Nov-12 14:47:35

S&D has stopped but I am aching all over.i haven't had anything to eat since yesterday...could I take paracetamol or something?

Dancergirl Mon 12-Nov-12 14:49:54

I thought there was already a vaccine available?

<emetophobic, VERY nervous>

Badvoc Mon 12-Nov-12 14:56:11

That's for rotavirus dancer girl.
Not noro virus.

Dancergirl Mon 12-Nov-12 15:01:59

Can adults get the rotavirus vaccine?

Badvoc Mon 12-Nov-12 15:06:59

Not needed.
Once you have had it as a child you won't get it again, or if you do it will not be severe, just stomach ache/runs.
The bug my dc had 3 weeks ago wasn't noro - no diahorrea (well, I did!) and they were ok-ish the next day.
I felt ghastly for days.

101handbags Mon 12-Nov-12 15:09:30

Oh God, I had this last Monday night, it came on so suddenly. One minute I was eating my dinner, the next I was nauseous as hell, sitting on the loo for one and a half hours with diarrhoea like water and at the same time throwing up into the bath. I thought I was going to die or at least pass out. Shaking, hot, cold, almost had a panic attack it was so distressing. Barely had the strength to go downstairs and get a drink of water when it was all over. Started to feel better about 36 hours later. Had the same thing same time of year about 8 years ago. Never wanted to feel that way again then but this was exactly the same. My sympathies to everyone who is suffering.

Snugabugz Mon 12-Nov-12 15:10:26

What's worse than breast feeding a 15 week old baby whikst suffering from sickness and diarrhoea? Doing it on your eldest son's fourth birthday and missing the entire day including his party. 'twas me on Tuesday

MordionAgenos Mon 12-Nov-12 15:16:17

Sung Poor you. sad But I must say, having been in that position and also having been EBF a baby with winter vom - that was worse. She was either erupting like vom(or poo)suvius or comfort feeding. The whole time. I couldn't prise her off me, so I just had to basically sit naked, but covered in towels, holding her and nursing her and just, you know, loving her, until it passed. Probably the worst two days of my life. Certainly the messiest and smelliest.

I can laugh now.

bellarose2011 Mon 12-Nov-12 15:38:44

we all had this twice in 2 weeks last year and i was heavily pregnant! hell!
i have never felt so awful in my life, and to top it off i got a bout of cystitis at the same time which wouldn't go because i couldn't keep any fluids down.
are we likely to get it again?

Loveweekends10 Mon 12-Nov-12 15:55:02

Dd (7) has it right now. She has been vomiting since Saturday afternoon. I'm just trying to give her sips of water and juice every half an hour. She can't do anything poor luv.

ridingthewave Mon 12-Nov-12 16:32:21

I've had the norovirus a few times - twice while pregnant which left me hospitalised for a couple of days.

Think I've had it again over the weekend - I was only sick once then OK for 2 days then had violent diarrhea for 1 day, aches, pains etc. Usually I'm violently sick for 24 hours but then get better quickly but does anyone know if it can present symptoms in different ways? The reason I ask is that I hope to god I've got it then at least it's over and done with - I feel flippin awful!!

Hang in there everyone, it's short-lived and you will feel better.....

Dancergirl Mon 12-Nov-12 16:35:22

This sounds awful! I really wish everyone well ASAP.

Does anyone know - are some people more susceptible to these bugs than others? Apart from a diarrhoea bug a few years ago, I've never had anything too nasty and I've never known dh to have a stomach bug in 15 years. Have we just been lucky?

A school near us had to shut down due to the number of staff and pupils affected. I heard they had to get folks in from the HSE to do an assessment and a specialist cleaning firm to debug the place.

DDs school nurse sent an email about it and, like so many other things, good hand hygiene is essential to try to avoid the virus. It's like the old adage, "how many times a day should you wash your hands?" The answer is, every time you pass a sink.

Also, the email said to stay home / keep DCs home until you have 48 hours completely symptom-free

I really, really hope we don't get it.

Cherylkerl Mon 12-Nov-12 16:49:52

I've got it at the moment. I've shit myself, Barely slept or ate and been sick while on the toilet. Glamour.

wasabipeanut Mon 12-Nov-12 16:58:52

DS1 & DD both had what I assume was Norovirus, puked once and were fine. I got it about 5 days later and was ill for 11 days. Fucking horrendous stomach cramps, lost nearly a stone. Not much actual vomiting or diarrhoea - GP says I would have got better quicker if I had. DS2 didn't get it thank God, prob because I continued to breast feed. DH also skipped it which was lucky as he was off on hol for half term so could look after the kids while I hugged a hot water bottle and cried.

If they can vaccinate against this fucker I'll be first in line.

BoakFace Mon 12-Nov-12 17:07:54

Oh you poor lot sad

I have never ever had anything like this! Very glad of it, sounds awful.

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Mon 12-Nov-12 17:09:17

I cannot believe that the UK is only now considering a vaccination program.

I guess we are the only country in Europe left that is spending the winter puking our guts out. angry

Banderchang Mon 12-Nov-12 17:14:50

I have this right now! Hadn't realised that the aches and pains were also part of the D&V bug - I thought I had 2 things at the same time. I feel truly horrendous. But it makes me feel a little better to see how many others have it (sorry folks)! And it's only me so far that's got it in our house (DS had one vomit 2 weeks ago which may or may not have been the same thing) so soon I have to brace myself to cook DS some dinner because DH is home late. Not sure how I will manage to look at food tbh - I've only had water for the last 24 hours and even that is a struggle!

4nomore Mon 12-Nov-12 17:23:18

There is no vaccine against norovirus - you can't retain immunity to it anyway! Hygeine and a big helping of luck is all that will save you. Once you don't have small children you're unlikely to get it frequently (depending, of course, on whether your job brings you into contact)

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Mon 12-Nov-12 17:27:36
4nomore Mon 12-Nov-12 17:47:44

Yes, that's Rotavirus, which most people suffer from only once before the age of 5. That's a surprisingly poor article which doesn't make it very clear what it's talking about (it is buried in there though)

zonedout Mon 12-Nov-12 17:53:16

Quint, that's a vaccination against rotavirus rather than norovirus. Two totally separate viruses. Rotavirus tends to affect babies and young children who then (in theory) develop an immunity to it (although I did, admittedly manage to get it twice hmm). Norovirus is the one sweeping the country and causing most of the aforementioned symptoms and which we can get time and again sad

Heartstrumps, I think that's our school you are talking about!

zonedout Mon 12-Nov-12 17:53:45

Oops, x-posts

DiamondDoris Mon 12-Nov-12 17:58:55

Starting to feel sick just reading the thread. Had it when I was pregnant 6 years ago - just after I stopped having morning sickness. I couldn't keep anything down, but I didn't want to go to hospital. They gave me anti-nausea pills which helped stop the vomiting - they worked instantly. Had it again about 2 years ago, vomiting all day (no D), fever at night and disappeared by morning. The DC had it mildly. I really don't want it here as my DD is diabetic and needs to eat. Luckily, she rarely gets anything as she washes her hands all the time before testing her blood sugar. I think washing hands is key.

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Mon 12-Nov-12 18:03:42

I did not say noro virus. The article refers to the winter vomiting bug, and this my kids have brought home from nursery/school every year we lived in England, and not even once when we lived in Norway for 3 years. sad

4nomore Mon 12-Nov-12 18:05:58

Norovirus is (generally) "winter vomiting bug" and although occasionally some unlucky people may get Rotavirus more than once, if something is giving you D&V, year upon year, then it's almost certainly norovirus

zonedout Mon 12-Nov-12 18:06:37

Oh sorry, I didn't even read the article properly. But winter vomiting virus is actually norovirus. So I wonder why that is? Are our levels of hygiene just v poor?

zonedout Mon 12-Nov-12 18:07:30

X-posts again!

beginnings Mon 12-Nov-12 18:08:24

I got it five years ago. Oh. My. Good. God. Was horrific. I caught it from a five month old who had been a "bit sick" the day before I saw her. The following day, her parents came down with it and the day after that I did. So the version I had had about a 48 hour incubation period. I felt awful from Monday until Saturday. I cooked mushroom risotto the night before I came down with it and didn't eat it again until a couple of months ago - thank goodness the basin in our bathroom is right next to the loo. blush

I'm now on maternity leave with a six month old DD. I'e made poor DH change his clothes and wash his hands as soon as he comes in the door since I heard the norovirus is back for the winter - I do not want any Tube and train germs in my house thankyouverymuch.

4nomore Mon 12-Nov-12 18:09:03

It's not a very clear article. I read research on colds and flu which suggests that yes, Britain is not good on personal hygeine. Also people try to return to work too soon, while not symptomatic but still infectious

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Mon 12-Nov-12 18:13:59

I thought being ill all the time, and for the kids to contract sickie bugs several times per year was normal, until we moved to Norway, and we had three fantastic years with NO sickie bugs, no antibiotics, no temperature, and hardly any colds or even a snotty nose. Then we came back. And the boys have been on antibiotics three times in one year (me more than 7) and ds1 has had 4 sickie bugs, ds2 1 and I 1.

4nomore Mon 12-Nov-12 18:15:38

The climate in Norway may also make a difference but it does seem that we're poor at keeping out germs to ourselves here sad

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Mon 12-Nov-12 18:15:44

Norwegian schools and nurseries have antibac dispensers next to the soap dispensers in every toilet and next to every sink. Single use paper towels.

zonedout Mon 12-Nov-12 18:16:32

There really can only be one explanation then... We are a bunch of unhygienic germ sharers. Yuck. <seriously contemplates emigrating>

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Mon 12-Nov-12 18:16:43

Ds1 tells me the boys in his class are boasting about never washing their hands, and especially not after toilet visits. He says it is rare to see another boy wash hands in the toilet.

zonedout Mon 12-Nov-12 18:17:59

I must say that all the infection control I have witnessed in schools and nurseries here has been shockingly bad.

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Mon 12-Nov-12 18:18:44

Yes, but think about it. There is pressure to return to work. Most employees are replaceable and expendable.

Most schools have a 48 hr policy on returning to school after d&v. We adhered to this, and after two sickie bugs at the beginning of term, the borough Child Services sent me a stern letter about my sons attendance. hmm

4nomore Mon 12-Nov-12 18:20:04

Actual handwashing is required to deal with norovirus, alcohol rubs don't kill it (which is ok with me because my hands can't cope with alcohol rub)

4nomore Mon 12-Nov-12 18:22:48

Arrgh Not Quint... that's so annoying that they got onto you about attendance like that - and so typical! Stuff like that makes me annoyed - you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. My middle boy is very prone to get bugs but also (to complicate things) used to vomit when stressed etc, the little one has ASD and often his bowels go into overdrive... Negotiating appropriate, necessary, school absences is a minefield

zonedout Mon 12-Nov-12 18:26:03

Yes, absolutely. And those letters certainly don't help.

TheCrackFox Mon 12-Nov-12 18:37:54

I do agree with you Quint that we seem to get a lot of winter illnesses in Britain.

We have almost got a macho culture of coming into work in an almost zombie like state of illness. I spent all day Tuesday avoiding a work colleague who clearly had the norovirus - vomiting, cramps etc. Why the hell wasn't he sent home? Thankfully I didn't get it but I was furious about the whole situation.

CinnabarRed Mon 12-Nov-12 18:44:01

DS1 is crying from the stomach cramps. Can I give him anything to help? Calpol? Or does we just have to tough it out?

PuffPants Mon 12-Nov-12 18:44:07

Oh god, is there a vaccine against this? I'll pay!!!!

PuffPants Mon 12-Nov-12 18:46:37

Also, can you get a mild version? DS had about 24 hrs of diarreah last week and DH and I have had mysterious stomach pains over the weekend, accompanied by a bit of a headache today. No sickness though...

BartletForTeamGB Mon 12-Nov-12 18:48:04

I've worked on general medical wards with plenty of patients with winter vomiting and NEVER had it - until I was on maternity leave and nowhere near the hospital!

Remember that alcohol (in hand gel/wipes) doesn't kill the virus so do lots of handwashing with soap and water.

PuffPants Mon 12-Nov-12 18:51:07

Is it the soap or the water that kills it?

survivingautumn Mon 12-Nov-12 19:04:47

PuffPants - we had the same! DD had the full on Norovirus last weekend and DH and I both had stomach cramps and headache with aches and pains for a few days but no sickness. Weird!

Poor DD, she is absolutely petrified of being sick now. It was full on every 20 minutes for 12 hours - absolutely horrendous sad

lifeintheolddogyet Mon 12-Nov-12 19:17:56

I overheard a conversation between the father of a child in DS1's class today and the teacher. It went along the lines of:

'Well she vomited this morning but she wanted to come to school so here she is. Call me if she's sick again.'

WTF???

And, to make it all much worse, the teacher accepted her into the class. I was shock and angry . I was working in the school this morning and I couldn't help myself. I went up to the teacher and pointed out that the child (who looked awful) shouldn't be at school at all. The teacher just shrugged and said explained that the child was in school now so there was nothing she could do.

Grrr. If your kid's just vomited for the love of jeff don't send them to school .

It's the combination of soap (which losens oil and dirt and germs), running water (which helps it all go down the plug hole wink) and rubbing of hands (which agains helps losen it all).

I'll find you my favorite handwashing link, hang on a sec'....

Voila!

Or google 'clean your hands'.

I have to admit I am a teensy bit glad that all the hand rubs and anti-bac cleaners in the world are not all they are hyped up to be... grin

Those suffering, hope you are all better soon.
Those with vomiting children in pain, would you consider Paracetamol suppositories (supposing the other end isn't going too...)? They don't hurt, go in in a second, work - what's not to like?
Well, as a Continental European, maybe I would say that...
Get better soon!

QueenOfCats Mon 12-Nov-12 19:53:00

I had this about 10years ago. I was SO ill. I'm petrified of getting it again (emetophobe)

My Mum had it start just before midnight on Thursday just gone, she had the v&d and still feels rough now. Dd has been feeling extremely nauseous since Thursday afternoon to the point she hasn't been able to eat or drink much and has hardly slept. I took her to the Dr today who said that it's doing the rounds, but that some people have all the symptoms and others have only some.

springyoffaducksback Mon 12-Nov-12 19:56:14

Cinnabar - slippery elm is magic for stomach cramps. Get it in powder form in health shops. Your poor DS (aw)

I'm also one of those who boasts they never get ill. Dear me. Not this time. Felt absolutely terrible for ages, half mad with it. vile.

springyoffaducksback Mon 12-Nov-12 19:56:40

(it, not me)

Cherylkerl Mon 12-Nov-12 20:04:58

I'm on day 3, have to say the accompanying aching shoulder and back ache ... Miserable

springyoffaducksback Mon 12-Nov-12 20:09:32

I had the aching shoulder, then arm. Got myself checked out at the docs. worry about heart attacks and the like (just to make you feel worse!). If your shoulder/jaw is hurting, get it checked out just to be on the safe side.

CinnabarRed Mon 12-Nov-12 20:24:18

Thanks Springy.

BlueHat Mon 12-Nov-12 20:25:17

This thread fills me with dread. I have had some kind of vomiting bug every winter for ten years. Honestly. It leaves me wrecked as I have diabetes and am on insulin so not being able to eat or keep food down is very bad news. Not been hospitalised yet but I think it's been a close thing.

Is this norovirus? Can you have it repeatedly? I've always been baffled by how this happens every year sad

PuffPants Mon 12-Nov-12 20:52:19

Oh god, I'm staying in till Spring!

ProphetOfDoom Mon 12-Nov-12 21:13:20

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

girliefriend Mon 12-Nov-12 21:22:01

Cinnabar I would give some calpol as it might help, if he will drink something like fennel tea that is really helpful for settling the tummy.

My dd had nora virus when she was 18mo and I have never seen her so ill sad my poor baby was grey and lost all her cute tubbiness, took her nearly 3 weeks to recover, I seriously hope she is now immune. I am assuming me and my mum must be as we both looked after her and were fine.

GrrrArghZzzzYaayforall8nights Mon 12-Nov-12 21:22:36

DD2 and DS2 both had it this past week sad

DS2 (almost 1 year) went through it okay, for someone also teething 4 molars at the same time, we're still having trouble getting him hydrated enough due to lethargy (and when he did have energy to drink he would drink too much too fast and it would come back up).

DD2 (3y) though, had it first and still has it, and last night was the first night all week she hasn't vomited and got to sleep through. Poor little one is the last of my children to need this and I can already see she's lost weight (she's 2% for height and weight for her age, and has been poorly a lot before so I'm quite aware of it). Now, she's not being sick but she's sill off all her food (even the sacred cheese which has gotten us through before, couldn't even get biscuits into her today!).

Slightly worried about DS2 and keeping him hydrated but very worried about DD2, she's losing weight with nowt really to lose.

Dancergirl Mon 12-Nov-12 22:07:33

Is there a norovirus vaccine in other countries then?

Popumpkin Mon 12-Nov-12 22:07:57

14 month old DD started with this (d&v) 11 days ago. She has now just gone 24 hrs without vomitting but still has the diarrhoea (sp) and has lost so much weight her ribs are sticking out sad.

Because she's not dehydrated though there is nothing that can be done & the poor little mite has just got to ride it out. Am seriously hoping she's turned the corner now sad.

sweetness86 Mon 12-Nov-12 22:10:57

Happy to find this thread please help me AVOID this bug. I caught the hell that is norovirus four days after giving birth six weeks ago!
My lovely three year old caught it and passed it on to me and my hubby it came on so suddenly and I could not look after the kids at all.
I was projectile vomited while feeding my newborn baby and just missed his face the worst night of my life and I had just been through labour on my living room floor with no pain relief but this was actually worse!
I admitted defeat when I got up in the night vomiting whilst trying to make a bottle and fainted in the kitchen. DH was being sick in the bedroom at the time as was my 6 year old I rang my mom in tears begging her to get the kids at 6 in the morning and she did (Thank God)
Tonight my three year old is being sick again Im terrified I dont want my baby to catch it or myself Ive bleached the toilet and resorted to wearing a makeshift mask on my face whilst trying to help my three year old without actually touching him I feel so cruel!
Any more tips to avoid getting it again? I catch it every year sad

Norovirus is NOT rotavirus.

There is going to be a vaccine for babies to protect them against ROTAvirus, not Noro.
Norovirus comes a couple of distinct variations and keeps changing, which is why no vaccine or having had it provides any longterm protection.

Handwashing, handwashing and handwashing are the 3 most important things to avoid it.
And handwashing. With running water and soap.
Antibacterial stuff and hand gels don't work.

Here is my linkie again

<<off to bed after some good handwashing just in case this thread is contagious grin>>

sweetness86 Mon 12-Nov-12 22:36:17

My hands are red raw from washing them Ive done it about 20 times in a few hours. Now to stop my three year touching the baby tomorrow its going to be a loooong day

Disappearing Mon 12-Nov-12 23:27:17

So where in the country is norovirus right now? I really don't want that, I had it 5 years ago, still shudder to think, I though I might die!

I haven't got time for Norovirus...

sadsong Mon 12-Nov-12 23:59:40

Sweetness I've had 5 dc and I agree it was worse for me than childbirth. In fact I was in tears with the pain. You poor poor love. I was feeling sorry for myself about stopping bf ds but he's 13 months. It's a wonder you made a recovery. I would be emotionally scared forever I think.

I've never been so sick and nor have my 2 boys. Ds(5yr) is skinny anyway, there's really nothing left of him. And he's not really into food absolutely terrified of being sick.

I've also washed everything possible, bleached everything Inc light switches! Dh and the baby have got a spot of diarrhoea for last 24 hrs but not in any pain and no sickness. So hoping they've just caught the edge. confused

sadsong Tue 13-Nov-12 00:00:05

We are south east on the coast.

Plomino Tue 13-Nov-12 00:22:19

We had it in Norfolk about 4 weeks ago . Went through both high school and primary school like wildfire, including the teachers . All the kids got it first , then I got it . Left home for work , and in the two hours it took to get there , started feeling really odd , shaky etc . Got sent home after 30 mins , and then had to drive the 100 miles home , throwing up in every lay by on the A1M, which meant it took me three and a half hours to get home .

Never again . Never ever again . Took me 4 days to eat after that .

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Tue 13-Nov-12 09:02:51

sweetness poor you. You can avoid it by changing your diet completely while the bug is in your house. NO chocs, no crisps, no biscuits - the bug feeds on fat and sugar. You need a very bland diet of bread rolls with lean ham. Dinner of lean oven baked (not fried in oil) chicken with rice and steamed veg. Avoid dairy.
This means lightly buttered toast for the kids for breakfast rather than cherios with milk, for example. Also avoid fruit juice as it is so sugar.
Drink more coffee to raise levels of stomach acid, and also some diet coke.

A doctor told me this over 8 years ago, when we were all really ill. I asked him what doctors did to stay well during these kinds of outbreaks. He listed the above, in addition to bleaching toilet each time somebody had been sick or had diarrhea in there, vigorous hand washing with running water and soap, and separate towels.

In our family this has meant that the bug usually stay with the person who brought it into the house, aside from last time when ds2 brought it home. He was sick in the car and me and ds1 could not avoid it. But, I did not vomit. I just felt dreadful for a few days, I knew I had the bug, I just was not sick from it. (I rarely vomit - I can count on one hand the times in my life I have actually vomited)

ilovesprouts Tue 13-Nov-12 09:21:44

not been to my house yet [touch wood] had it a couple of years ago on xmas day sad me exh ds3 all had it only one who dis not was dd1 whos a veggie !! wink

DungunGirl Tue 13-Nov-12 09:26:54

So sorry for everyone! Here I am to join in the stories of misery!
YUP 2 strains seem to be going round our local schools. I am in Berkshire.
We all had vomitting and diarrhea - norovirus 2 weeks ago....flattened for about 3-5 days. And guess what! I am at home looking after my 3 year who has picked up the Rotavirus. He has been off with it for 5 days already and today is the first day that I have not been running him to the toilet every 30-60minutes ! It is a nasty one....he had high fever for 2-3 days and then 3 days so far of violent diarrhea.....so misery all round!

Popumpkin Tue 13-Nov-12 09:34:23

To answer the geographical question - we live in the midlands but were on holiday in Devon when DD caught it.

I've just come back from the school run in tears. DD's class has a LOT of children missing because of it and at least 2 children are back who I know were sick yesterday. The TA told me she thinks she's got it but has come in because she hasn't actually been sick -this btw AFTER she touched my daughter. I've told her to keep washing her hands today but she's 5, she isn't going to remember.

I have been recovering from norovirus for 3 years. It's left me with ongoing stomach issues and food intolerances. I can't get it again, I'm not strong enough.

Sitting here panicking. sad sad sad

Dancergirl Tue 13-Nov-12 10:03:05

OMG iheart that's terrible.

Why don't you get your dd home and keep her home for a few days? Don't risk your health over a few days education.

mumofthemonsters808 Tue 13-Nov-12 10:13:30

I knew it was just a matter of time before I got it and here Iam sat with a hot water bottle on my tummy and feeling very sorry for myself.Had to send my 10 year old to school on her own because I was unable to get off the toilet and was scared of pooing my pants on the journey.DS watching cbeebies and is very unhappy that we are not going out anywhere,I'm tempted to give him his xmas presents to keep him entertained I feel that ill.

I can't pull her out can I?

Need to get a grip. I'm not an emetophobe, it's not that, but I genuinely don't know what would happen if I got it again as badly as last time.

FossilMum Tue 13-Nov-12 10:31:04

It's ghastly, isn't it? Only after DS had lavish D&V when 2.5 and we ended up in A&E to get him rehydrated did we come up with some good ways of dealing with it:

(1) Have a bucket/bin/bowl ready by the loo so D can go in loo and V in bucket, as they often come together.

(2) Have a bowl nearby wherever you are for the first day.

(3) Clean up with paper towels, then disinfect all surfaces with Dettol spray or similar. Wash your own hands thoroughly. Don't try to clean up vom with reuseable cloths. It's gross, takes longer, and then you've got to deal with the cloth/water.

(4) A tip gleaned from Mnet years ago: if sheets are soiled, scrape off the sick into the loo before putting the sheet in the washer, or you'll end up with a machine full of clean sick.

(5) Don't try to rehydrate with too much liquid too quickly, or it'll all come straight back out. Try 5ml every 5mins and it's more likely to stay in. If you don't have Dioralyte, try 1:5 diluted apple juice.

(6) Live off ricecakes, plain crackers, unbuttered toast with perhaps a little marmite, diluted apple juice, and bananas (if you can stomach the smell) for a few days while your stomach calms down. NICE guidelines currently say don't cut milk for young children, but while I imagine this is true for bf infants, ime with DS he only gets better from D&V after a few days without milk; he at least seems to find it hard to digest (incidentally the A&E doc agreed, at least for a child his age). Better a few days on a less nutritious diet that stays in, than milk that comes straight back out.

God I hope we don't get it this time round. Good luck to all who do.

Dancergirl Tue 13-Nov-12 11:03:01

Yes you can iheart and I would in a second if I was in your situation. It doesn't sound like the school is dealing with it very well allowing sick children and members of staff in.

missnappyknickers Tue 13-Nov-12 12:05:16

God its like a hospital ward in my house,ds started vomitting last friday morning and continued to saturday then he started with stomach cramps and violent diarriah.He has had a couple of trips to the loo this morning..not nice! and dh and myself started with the vomitting yesterday morning,I haven't vomitted now since last evening but omg the stomach cramps its just like contractions and am getting terrible pain up under the ribs,have a dead ache in my chest and top of my back with lots of burping,I am death warmed up.Have to go get my dd from playgroup now somehow I will manage it! Thankfully my dd hasn't got it yet but no doubt she will and its her birthday in a couple of days god I hope we are all well for her birthday.Can't believe how ill we all are and the headache,,bloody virus

sweetness86 Tue 13-Nov-12 12:24:21

IHeart I am sorry for you I woul pull her out to avoid it. Its not like something we 'have' to catch t get immunity its a bloody pointless bug and you get it over and over again. I get it twice a year every year without fail an its horrid sad
After the birth was just horrific I was so weak as it was and just started feeling tiny bit human but that bug brought me to my knees I was actually crying and could of happily died in bed that night.

My dad and three year old now have food intolerances due to the virus my dad cant eat chicken at all anymore or he is really ill with stomach problems and my three year old cant drink cows milk at all now or he is sick without fail he had the virus about 6 times last year one bad bout lasted 2 weeks I think that was rotavirus.

It can really wreck you I hate it sad

Thanks for everyones tips Ive just had toast today but my stomachs doing that gurgling thing I reckon its a matter of time before I get it probably tonight really depressed thinking I could be in for hell later , all this from a bug

RarelyUnreasonable Tue 13-Nov-12 12:29:24

Am 38 weeks pg and have this bug. Finally able to keep a few sips of water down.
DH had it last week.
Toddler has escaped it so far - pray she doesn't catch it for when dc2 arrives!!

Hang on in there all.

sadsong Tue 13-Nov-12 12:40:12

Missnappy my ribs are still aching 5 days on. I couldn't wear a bra it was excruciating. I had to do that emergency dash to nursery Thursday...I'm going to be sick...I'm going to be sick.....I'm going to be sick!!! I drove far too fast all the way home, ran through the door with the baby landed him on my teenage son and that was it.....I'm not quite sure how I managed it? confused

strugglin Tue 13-Nov-12 13:23:38

I started with this yesterday caught it from my 10mth old who had it over the weekend. Stood in the school yard waiting for ds, im chatting away next minute im being sick in front of a packed playground blush drove home at break neck speed was sick several more times.

Woke up this morning managed a cup of tea still got a stomache ache but nowhere near what i was feeling yesterday. Unfortunatly one of ds's classmates who he close to is off with it so waiting for ds and dd to get it

missnappyknickers Tue 13-Nov-12 17:52:44

Sadsong..I know what you mean about the bra! I had to fling mine off I felt so restricted with the rib pain I couldn't bear it..managed a bag of crisps today and feeling a little bit hungry but not sure if I could eat..even the thought of a cup of tea is making me want to puke..just sipping water and had some lucozade..the house has gone to pot !

Cherylkerl Tue 13-Nov-12 19:19:06

There is light at the end of the tunnel! Three days and I think it's finished. I slept last night and have today managed to eat three crackers, a dry cereal bar, half a can of soup and a slice of dry toast. This must be what posh spice feels like every day.

I cannot stop washing my hands.

Stay strong people!

strugglin Tue 13-Nov-12 20:23:27

Ds whos 7 has started with this now. Dd should be going to play group tomorrow, shall i just keep her off school? I guessing she will get the bug also.

Chippychop Tue 13-Nov-12 21:46:32

See how the night goes [strigglin] ds had it fri/sat I had it sun/mon, dd and Dh ok.... So far....

sadsong Tue 13-Nov-12 22:53:24

I've been magically bleaching light switches, handrails, toilet flushes etc. Ive turned into a crazed woman in marigolds hmm

It's supposed to be recovery 2-3 days but I still feel exhausted, no energy and totally drained.

sadsong Wed 14-Nov-12 07:20:09

Well so much for eldest son heroics! A week later he now has the bug. Poor love....so much for my bleaching. I now await wave 2. 8 in our house. 3 have had full d&v 2x just d. Are we all going to get it again?

Popumpkin Wed 14-Nov-12 10:35:17

Oh I do hope it doesn't always work like that sadsong. DS2 was the only one here not to get the bug two weeks ago - but has started with the vomiting during the night. Poor DD has only been well now for 24 hours after 12 days of vomiting, I can't bear the thought of her going through it again poor little mite sad. She's only 14 months & tiny as it is.

PuffPants Wed 14-Nov-12 12:39:10

Oh strugglin - keep her away from contact with other little ones if you can. You wouldn't want anyone else to suffer if you could help it would you?

strugglin Wed 14-Nov-12 12:52:27

I kept dd off playgroup she doesnt seem to have any symptoms. Ds is laid on the sofa feeling very sorry for himself. When i rang school to explain he was ill i asked when he could back and she said its 48hrs after his last d or v.

DecAndAnt Thu 15-Nov-12 10:05:34

I've had the runs about 15 times and thrown up once ! Not sure if its the same bug though as I'm not aching and after spending all night on the loo it seems there's nothing left. Friend said there's a few people she knows who have it for 24 hours so fingers crossed the worst has passed.

Feel for all the little ones who have it, so far my ds is ok.

It's still working its way through DD's class - one more down with it this morning. School is closed for polling today - just want to keep her off tomorrow too and try to avoid it.

Bloody stupid people - it's 48 HOURS. Don't send your kid to school to infect mine angry

Last time I got it was from a friend who had previously seen another friend who hadn't bothered to tell her she had been throwing up the day before. 3 years of health problems because of that stupid person. I just can't get it again.

angry sad

JacqueslePeacock Thu 15-Nov-12 12:36:13

I think I have this today. Was very ill in the night but only spectacular diarrhoea and painful stomach cramps - no vomiting (altho I was very queasy). Can this still be the "winter vomiting bug" with no actual vomiting? Or do I have some alternative strain of horror?

My baby started nursery 6weeks ago and seems to have brought home a bug a week since then. Grr.

sadsong Thu 15-Nov-12 12:40:58

Ooo Jacques that doesn't sound nice. Dh only got that end of things too and managed to escape vomiting. So it might be another strain. My dd is the only one do far to escape out house of illness.

A week on I still have no energy.

tink123 Thu 15-Nov-12 16:11:07

Does this sound familiar. I felt fine yesterday. Woke up this morning with gurgling stomach. I have had hot and cold sweats all day, feel tired and dizzy and now mild stomach cramps...

sadsong Thu 15-Nov-12 16:25:20

Yes tink that sounds like the start! sad

JacqueslePeacock Thu 15-Nov-12 18:00:46

'Fraid so - that's how I felt Tuesday night/Wednesday morning. Now it is really hitting me. sad

Our house is afflicted now toosad
Dd2(who has CP)first on Tuesday night,then me yesterday shortly followed by dd1&dh very early this morning.
Thought dd2 was over it yesterday as she'd gone over 24 hours without being sick,but was sick again early this morning.Poor love will miss a free school trip to Knowsley Safari Park today.Am gutted for herangry
Bastard virus!!
Thought I was dying in the night,my whole body ached,even lying in bed was agony&thats not even mentioning the awful s&d.

missnappyknickers Sun 18-Nov-12 10:46:41

Well is back with a vengeance here not that it ever really left..ds1 started vomitting yesterday morning,stayed in bed all day and missed his little sisters birthday party and all the goodies,early hours of this morning dd2 started coughing and vomitted all over her bed! then 2 more trips to the bathroom..she is a bit brighter now and watching tv but don't know will it stay like that for long.I am still not right since last sunday night when mine started,still feel waves of sickness,havent had a dinner or breakfast since a week ago today,just snacking on ryvitas,yogurt and crisps,have only had one cup of tea this week and I love my tea,drinking loads of water and lucozade.Have a heavy eyed and headachy feeling..dh has had diarriah on and off all week thankfully I haven't had that part of it and ds2 who had it early on the in the week seems ok now but with 2 of them down here I hope we don't get reinfected...heard on radio yesterday that the norovirus is doing the rounds..is this what we all have???? oh and just wondering,dd is at playgroup and as she got sick this morning should I keep her off all week do you think?

sadsong Sun 18-Nov-12 11:22:07

10 days later I think we are finally rid of it! I don't think any amount of cleaning and bleAching made a jot of difference. Considering we have such a large family I'm amazed this Is the first time we've all been I'll together. My appetite creeped into action although can't eat a lot. I still can't drink tea/coffee. I too was on the yogurt, crisp diet. Last child went back to school Friday. They recommend 48 hours after last d or v, to go back to school nursery work etc.

Miss nappy were you hosting the party? You've probably passed it on to a load more kids sad

We were so ill with this last year, I live in fear of it now. I was so ill in the middle of the night, as was DS, DH had to go get my mum for back up support. One hour later, both he and poor mum were pole axed too. We had to get the in laws over to look after the baby as we were all rendered useless. All this going on between 12 and 3 in the morning. The most awful night.

IceBergJam Sun 18-Nov-12 20:24:09

Not had time to read thread as DD 11 months is ill. Quick question, she has been vomiting since Tuesday and hasn't taken solids since, only bm. Is it normal to be vomiting this long and to only have bm? She feels boney and only weighed 15.8lbs this morning.

We did go to the doctors Wednesday but just said to wait it out.

JacqueslePeacock Sun 18-Nov-12 21:08:23

Keep BFing as often as possible and trying solids. I would go back to doctors as soon as you can. Wednesday was a long time ago. She will be OK on BM if you are feeding regularly, but still vomiting nearly a week later is not good.

IceBergJam Sun 18-Nov-12 21:21:23

I did speak with NHS direct last night, and they put me through to a nurse who said there wasn't much that they can do, but to go back to the doctors Monday if still vomiting. It's only about twice a day now (Tuesday it was 11 times), but it's been like that since Thursday, and she has no energy. I can't tell whether i'm being a panicy mother.

missnappyknickers Mon 19-Nov-12 09:23:15

Iheart.....no there were no kids invited because of the bug! It was just us and grandparents who live in uk and travelled to be with us...
I feel good today and enjoyed my tea! ds1 feeling better and asking for food.dd was great yesterday but got sick again during the night so will see how she goes.Dh also feeling better and gone to work..I can see normality in the distance

Oh good!

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