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DS needs glasses - long sighted and lazy eye, please can you chat to me about it?

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ForestFloor Sun 03-Jan-10 19:21:12

DS is nearly 5 and this was picked up by the school optician person, who has referred him to the eye hospital for further investigation. The letter we got just said he had a lazy eye and was long sighted - much more in one eye than the other. It said he will need glasses and possibly patches.

Will he need glasses forever or can they help sort the long sightedness? I think the figures the optician said were +2 is that bad or not too bad?

Any experiences really welcomed!

Also, how much will it cost - I can see DS going through pairs of glasses at an alarming rate shock

Thanks!

MadBadandCoveredinTinsel Sun 03-Jan-10 19:44:07

We have been through something similar.

DD had to wear patches for about a year - a couple of hours a day so it was (thankfully) easy to manage and she didn't need to wear them to school. Together with the glasses they have achieved a big improvement in the vision in her weak, squinting eye. We've been told she'll probably need glasses for a while yet, but short/long-sightedness can change a lot as the eyes grow and mature.

The best news is that glasses for children are free from the NHS - we can get them either from the hospital or take the NHS voucher to any high street optician.

It's a bit nerve-wracking at first but I'm sure you'll find the optometrists at the hospital will answer all your questions and make it all as relaxed as possible for you and your DS.

Best wishes.

GleeE4 Sun 03-Jan-10 19:50:57

I dunno about how long for..
my ds3 has glases.
i was not pleased really - couldnt get to his pudgy face so easily.

BUT we spent on "cool " ones ( imagine Gokwan) and he realy suits them. and doesnt mind them much.... would prefer NOT to have them

are on style 3, pair 5 in 2 years, lost one pair to rugby one to an overexcited puppy..

he can see a LOT better with them that is for sure

MadBadandCoveredinTinsel Sun 03-Jan-10 20:00:38

Glee's post has made me wonder whether there's a limit on what the NHS will pay for. I can't remember as it's a while since DD had new glasses. She's has had about six pairs now - four ordinary pairs and two sunglasses. We had to pay for one of the pairs of sunglasses because we didn't have a voucher from the hospital for them but haven't had to pay for any of the others. She's always found styles she likes at Specsavers (one pair in particular were very Gok) but I'm guessing it might be easier for girls.

BrigitBigKnickers Sun 03-Jan-10 20:02:33

2+ isn't that bad. When my DD2 started wearing glasses aged 2.5 her prescription was +6.5 in one eye and +6 in the other!

With long sightedness it's vital to catch them early. Beyond 9 or ten and the muscles are pretty much set so the more he wears them now and the more you persevere with the patching the better the outcome.

DD1 started wearing glasses when she was 16 months. She's now 13 and from the age of 12 she only needed them for reading (although refuses to wear them now!)

DD2 is now 11 and wears hers most of the time but her eayes are so much stronger she can go without for a few hours at a time. Her presecription is now +2 so they have improved a huge amount since she was little.

Wearing glasses does not have the same stigma it used to in the good old days of plastic NHS glasses. Kids frames are lovely now.

LedodgyChristmasjumper Sun 03-Jan-10 20:05:46

My son is also long sighted and he has a squint so needs patching daily and wears glasses. He is 4 and we get his free from specsavers. We do get the rectangular shaped ones though and because of this pay £30 to thin out the lenses. it's strange how quickly you and they become used to them. Ds2 broke ds1's the a ouple of weeks ago and he was without them for a few days whilst we waited for the shop to get them in and he just didn't look like ds at all! You will notie the difference in him when he stats wearing them too I found ds1's confidence improved because he could probably see properly for the first time since he was born! They told us that he will probably need glases until he's 8 and then after that they would judge at that time if he still needed them.

TennisFan Sun 03-Jan-10 20:06:59

I think this is what my DD has too. It got picked up by school last June. She has had one set of free glasses which were really nice and one set of Barbie ones which cost £15.00
She has had 2 check ups since June and they have said she has improved already.
They also said that its important to deal with this early on before age 8 or 9 as after that it is harder to correct and she might need glasses for ever.

SolidGoldBloodyJanuaryUrgh Sun 03-Jan-10 20:11:05

My DS has this too. It's not a big deal but you have to get it seen to or (eventually) there is a chance of losing the sight in the weaker eye: the brain switches it off. THe idea is that usually the glasses/patching will cure the squint in a couple of years, sometimes it doesn't work and they then suggest a minor op on the eye muscles (we haven't got that far yet).

lucykate Sun 03-Jan-10 20:17:19

+2 isn't bad, dd is a +5 in her right eye, and a +6 in her left. it's her left eye that is lazy, and has astigmatism. glasses should all be free, and these days there are lots of really nice styles, dd has spongebob ones atm. we've done patching too, 2 hours a day after school for 9 months, it's worth doing if they recommend it, made a noticeable difference in the vision for dd's weaker eye.

nickschick Sun 03-Jan-10 20:18:33

Ds2 wears glasses and whilst the supermarkets offer really good deals on 'free' glasses they soon stopped with us blush ds2 so hated his glasses he would lose them,hide them and even swap them!!!.

Eventually asda didnt want our 'custom' sadblush.

We found an independent optician who are fab they told ds2 they had a shopfull of glasses and everytime he lost or damaged them they would just keep on giving him more and that there were children in India who didnt have glasses and would really appreciate them ...ds2 did continue to lose them occasionally but much less and now hes a teenager hes able to choose from the funky nhs adult range and some of them are really v trendy.

GleeE4 Sun 03-Jan-10 20:34:59

yes soem girls i teach have FAB glasses.

ds3s are oblong and brown
very stylish

DD1 (9) and DS (6) both wear glasses...have done since they were 4 and 3.

I can highly reccomend Specsavers, who go out of their way to find a suitable frame, which will hide some of the thickness of the lenses. They both need prescription swimming goggles too, which was no problem to Specsavers. (Previous high-street optician had been snotty and tried to charge, even though we had a hospital prescription and had been told it was free on NHS voucher)

The styles are lovely, a good range and DD gets the choice of the adult range too, up to £75 range are free, I have to pay anything over that price....she is big for her age, and previous optician tried to make her have a child's size pair that looked ridiculous, I refused and had to pay a lot for an adult pair.

Both children are very short-sighted, DD1 seen at opticians every six months and gets a new pair each time, keeping old ones as a spare.

But DS's eyes are so bad he is seen every three months at the hospital, and gets a new prescription nearly every time. He is entitled to two pairs at a time, as he can only see about six inches in front of his face without glasses. And (for both children) I am told to come back for adjustments/repairs/replacements all free of charge.

Pinkie

GleeE4 Sun 03-Jan-10 20:42:13

no i reccy the kind of swanky optician you could never afford to go to

they have the COOLEST glasses
we only pay £40 a pop on top of the NHS ones and they are coated too

WingsTHEangel Sun 03-Jan-10 20:52:46

Ds1 has squints in both eyes at separate times.From being 3 He had patches but it didn't correct so he had surgery on both eyes, now he doesn't wear glasses aged 10

We went to spec saver and the NHS range was very good. We also went to Dolland and Hitcherson to get him sunglasses when we went
abroad.

Eye tests are free until 16ish I think and you get the NHS voucher. The only extra we paid for was the sun glasses at around £35

If they have to wear glasses for the rest of their life don't forget that a later on they can have contacts. Later on in life like I did was to have laser treatment.

ForestFloor Sun 03-Jan-10 20:58:45

Wow, loads of replies - thanks!

So, the long sightedness might get better with age, and the lazy eye might improve with patching?

That is good news smile. I suppose I have to wait till we get the hospital appt for more details, but that is really useful.

Have I got this bit right - we will get one pair of free glasses on the NHS, and these will be repaired free of charge? Would it not make sense to give children two free pairs so they have a spare when the first ones are in for mending?! can I ask for two pairs, or will I have to pay for a second pair? I assume because DS is long sighted, he won't have to wear them for sport/playtime, so hopefully fewer opportunities for breakage? hmm smile

GleeE4 Sun 03-Jan-10 20:59:38

re spare pair - depends on the optician
we dont get them at swanky place

GleeE4 Sun 03-Jan-10 21:00:11

tbh its all a mystery
i got in adn say" teh dog ate them"

they write it down very seriously

and get us a new pair ordered

lucykate Sun 03-Jan-10 21:05:04

ime, they get 1 free pair of glasses a year (or every time they have an eye test/are issued with a new prescription), and most breakages will be fixed for free (within reason wink). we used to get 2 pairs but were told a few years ago the nhs had stopped allowing that, second pair/sunglasses have to be paid for. we found some frames in the small, local opticians were £10-£15 extra, so we went to specsavers instead, same frames for free from there.

lucykate Sun 03-Jan-10 21:08:13

meant to add, i wouldn't worry about getting a spare pair, over the years dd has accumulated so many pairs of glasses, due to ever so slight changes in her prescription, we have a choice now if her current pair break, which oddly enough, they did earlier today, thankfully we found the tiny screw that had popped out the frame.

it's worth investing in a set of tiny screwdrivers!

WingsTHEangel Sun 03-Jan-10 21:16:22

Our spec saver used to say they would try and repair them but if they broke they would charge. If it was nearly a year since last pair they did replace them.

SixtyFootDoll Sun 03-Jan-10 21:26:15

DS2 is 6 and has been wearing his glasses for a year, he is longsighted in both eyes, worse in his left.
He has Star Wars glasses, which are so cool, all his friends want a pair.
I paid a bit extra for those frames ( about £10 I think)
He has had them about 6 months, we went in for a check up, and they noticed the frames were scratched so aare replacing free of chaarge.
It is surprising how sturddy the glasses are, DS has to wear his all day every day and they get a real battering!

Maryam7 Fri 09-Jul-10 18:46:58

My daughter is longsighted(R +4.25 & L 4.75)
I went to a hospital to check her eyes because of noticing her left eye being lazy.
When I asked if she can ever go without glasses they were not very clear.
Here I read that she proberly can inprove.
Why are they so bad with there information.And does she need them to wear all day or just during reading/learning time?
Anyone else some good advise.
Thank you so much I`m already more releaved reading all these stories.

lucykate Fri 09-Jul-10 18:51:41

i posted further down this thread in jan about my dd and her glasses. my guess is, it's up to your dd as to if/when she feels like going without. my dd wears her's all the time other than when she's asleep as without, she really can't see much at all.

Seona1973 Fri 09-Jul-10 20:10:16

my dd(6) wears hers all the time even during p.e., gymnastics, etc as she is +6.5 and +5.5 and cant see as well without them. She will probably always need glasses as there is only so much they can do to improve the eyesight. She has a squint in her left eye and that eye was lazy too (poorer sight). Her sight improved with patching and now they are pretty much equal. She did still squint even with her glasses on so had an eye operation when she was 4 that did improve it but may need another one later on if the squint worsens again.

Arabica Fri 09-Jul-10 20:17:46

Maryam, we were told that some types of squints and longsightedness will get better, but others will not...DD will probably always need her glasses (she has a similar prescription).

DBennett Fri 09-Jul-10 20:39:41

Maryam,
Hyperopia (Long Sightedness) of that level is unlikely to correct itself as she gets older.
Babies are born long sighted (around +3.00DS) and get less and less until teh age of 10.

If you're more long sighted than this it's still possible but much less likely.

This is made even less likely if there is strabismus (a turn in the eye) or amblyopia (a lazy eye).

As to whether the glasses have to be worn full time, it's very likely.
If she is under the age of 10 it'd be sure of it.
But you didn't say how old she was.

Dysgu Fri 09-Jul-10 21:21:55

DD1 is 3.10 and has hyperopia, strabismus and amblyopia! Her prescription is now +7.5 in both eyes.

She goes to the eye clinic at the hospital every 10 weeks and they told us to be guided by her with regards to whether she needed to wear them all the time - she puts them on as soon as she wakes up and they are the last thing she takes off before going to sleep (in fact there have been times I have had to remind her to remove them as she doesn't notice they are still on they are such a part of her!)

She even wears them in the bath!

We have been patching since she was 2.3yo and we love her patches - although she is not as keen sometimes! - and she only wears her patch for 1 hour a day now instead of 3. She wears her patch at the childminder's or at pre-school and is much happier wearing it with friends than around the house!

She has 4 to choose from bought online from
www.framehuggers.com/

DBennett Fri 09-Jul-10 21:34:51

Dysgu,

I would be very suprised indeed if the option was left open for less than full time wear with that prescription, let alone the other factors.

I would go so far as to say that was a miscommunication, I don't like to imagine that staff can go so far from all the guidence on this topic.

Oblomov Fri 09-Jul-10 21:42:47

DS1(6) been wearing glasses for many years. we have patched aswell. his eyesight is getting better. is still cross eyed but they keep insisting its not bad enough to operate on. looks pretty bad to me, especially when tired when its worse.. but we'll see.

muffint Sat 10-Jul-10 20:05:21

My DD is long sighted in both eyes (6+) with a squint, diagnosed aged 2. We have orthoptics appts every 3 months and an annual eye test with the consultant. We're told if we could get her to wear the glasses as much as possible she wouldn't need a patch or surgery. Fortunately, although she doesn't wear them all the time, we have avoided these. we're told she'd never grow out of it at a 6 but that she could probably wear contacts if she wants to in later life and that laser surgery may well have advanced by then to correct it, again if that's what she wants. We go to Boots and the glasses are free. They're willing to do repairs whenever you need them on the spot - she's chewed both ears off, lenses have dropped out, frames bent beyond belief and they've made them look like new. I sometimes ask when I see the orthoptist if we can have another prescription if the glasses are looking a bit ragged and they've never refused. It's really difficult (particularly when aged 2) to keep them from being broken. I think a +2 is not too bad at all - my nephew was a 9+ and he's now 14 and wearing contacts. It's actually not too bad - I think the worst thing is the regular appointments - if you're working.

Ciccia74 Sun 24-Oct-10 21:53:51

Hi 1st time i have posted here but have been reading lots on long sightedness on here. My son has just been given a +4.5 and a +5 but because I had no idea I didn't have any sensible questions to ask the optician and I didn't find her very helpful. My son has been wearing them for a couple of days now and has spent most of his time looking over the top of them . Is this quite normal? Will he stop doing this as he gets used to them? Also we have to go back to the hospital to see the orthoptist in 8 weeks but nobody has said what for. When do you next get to see the optician to see if the prescription needs altering? Sorry to go on but I don't know who to ask. Are opticians always so vague?? Hope someone can help.xx

Ciccia74 Sun 24-Oct-10 21:58:12

Oh and I forgot to say he is 3.8 and we have been having hospital appointments to monitor a cyst in his eye he has born with. The cyst is unchanged but they did some eyesight tests and came up with this. Scary that I might not have known about his longsightedness for ages had it not been for this. Makes me sad.xx

suzikettles Sun 24-Oct-10 22:12:59

We've just had a letter to say that ds (nearly 4) has failed his pre-school eye check and needs to be re-tested.

It says that it could just be that he wouldn't cooperate with the test or that there's a possible problem.

Can I ask if you noticed your dc's eye problem or was it just picked up by a routine test? I've never noticed anything out of the ordinary but then I suppose that's the point of the test.

Neither dh or I wear glasses and I'm feeling a little wobbly about the idea of ds needing them. Which is completely daft, but there you go.

DBennett Sun 24-Oct-10 23:15:34

@ciccia74

The orthoptist will be monitoring the vision to make sure the glasses are doing their job.
He will have a glasses check every yr or so routinely but may be early if there are concerns.

But he does need to look through them and should be encouraged to do so.
It's fairly common for children to be resistant to this but it you persevere they generally settle into them well.

Does that make sense?

@suzikettles

Most parents of children who have a vision problem picked up at screening have not noticed anything.
Firstly, it's hard to notice these sometimes.
Secondly, kids don;t tend to complain as they don't have a standard of comparison.

This why the screening is done.

Having said that, a substantial portion of these follow ups turn out to because the child wouldn't do one of the tests, or got bored or distracted (especially in open plan nurseries).

So try not to worry.

Ciccia74 Mon 25-Oct-10 16:27:18

Thank you so much for your advice. He is much better today so that's encouraging. Am so proud of him I could cry and I do think now that he has mr tickle ones as well as Mickey mouse we will be fighting off all the girls!!
Suziekettles, I understand how you feel completely. I wobbled for a whole 2 days and cried about it too, then felt terrible for getting so upset about something that was going to help him. Hopefully your little one was just being uncooperative but it's really brilliant that they are checking him again to be sure. Good luck.xxx

DBennett Mon 25-Oct-10 19:04:52

Glad to hear he's doing better with his glasses.

The first couple of days can be difficult.

summer111 Tue 26-Oct-10 19:44:16

Forestfloor, I am in my early 40's and was diagnosed with a slight squint and longsightedness when I was aged about 3 yrs. I was prescribed glasses and had patching intially (can't recall for how long I had patching) but by the time I was about 12yrs old, the time I wore glasses was gradually reduced and I stopped wearing them altogether at aged 14 ish. I have never worn glasses since, and my optician has remarked upon how good my eyesight now is, despite my age grin and past history...

tjacksonpfc Tue 26-Oct-10 20:32:46

Hi all just beeb reading this thread. I took my dd 6 and ds 5 on thursday to our local opticians today for there first eye test.

I wasn't overly impressed as ds couldnt recognise half the letters due to only just doing letters at school only started in sept.

So test wasnt that thorough as he had nothing else he could use for son to read.

He said both dcs we slightly long sighted in both eyes and that was it. No prescription no explinantion no nothing. I would have thought if they we both long sighted they would need glasses.

Would it be worth going else where for a second opinion?

DBennett Tue 26-Oct-10 21:48:54

It's not good that they didn't have age appropriate vision tests.
Even matching letters on a card tends to work from about 3 and a half yrs.

May I ask whether eye drops were used?

Oh and children should be long sighted at those ages.
Babies are bong long-sighted and get less and less until about the age of 10.

It's only abnormally high levels of long-sightedness that need correcting.

tjacksonpfc Tue 26-Oct-10 21:53:05

Hi DB thanks for the reply no there were no eye drops used should there have been?.

I assumed when I phoned up and booked they eye test it would have been age appropriate seeing as they asked the age.

Do you think I would be daft going to another opticians for a second opinion?

DBennett Tue 26-Oct-10 22:15:36

The adult letter chart is OK (not good) for kids, as long as you have a matching card for those who aren't sure of the letters.

There are a half a dozen vision tests aimed at younger children.

As I said, it's not good that neither option were available.

RE: the drops. A lot of opticians have their own ideas about using them depending on the age of children, whether they have been seen before or findings on the day.
However, all the guidance I'm aware of on the issue would strongly advocate it's use, especially for a first check.

As to whether you should go get a second opinion, I can't answer that.

Despite what sound like short falls in the test, it's unlikely that anything sinister would have been missed.

In addition, you may get charged a private eye test fee as the NHS won't cover a 2nd eye test so soon without new symptoms.

It just makes me crazy that this kind of thing is allowed to happen.

Sorry, that's probably quite unhelpful.

tjacksonpfc Tue 26-Oct-10 22:24:23

Thanks for advice DB ill have a word with school nurse when they go back to school and see what she says.

I no one thing I wont be going back there in a hurry.

DBennett Wed 27-Oct-10 09:58:17

It may be uncomfortable but it might be worth telling them that.

Might give them a kick towards doing better.

Oblomov Wed 27-Oct-10 10:59:45

Sixtyfootdoll, where are your ds2's Star Wars glasses from. Ds1, almost 7, would like some of those, I think.

Ds1 has been patched for his squint. and is still quite cross eyed, but they say not bad enough for surgery. not happy.
But don't fret OP. Seems awful initially, but it will be o.k.

Karoleann Wed 27-Oct-10 18:38:21

tjacksonpfc - I wouldn't worry, I wouldn't use drops for an asymptomatic 5 or 6 year old. We can do something called retinoscopy which we can ascertain the prescription without all the "is it clearer with one or two".
With children the test does tend to be quick - 15 mins max - I tend to bring children back if its taking longer than that.
Most children of that age are long sighted - I'd expect them to get a little less longsighted with time in a process called emmetropisation.

DBennett Wed 27-Oct-10 23:03:34

My understanding is that College of Optometry guidelines indicate that cycloplegic refraction would be standard practice in this age group.

I would have thought this requirement would have been highlighted by this being the first eye exam and the lack of accurate measurement of visual acuity.

SunshineDeb Tue 12-Feb-13 17:34:27

Can anyone help me to understand about lazy eyes please? I am so upset, my daughter has just developed a squint in her right eye, this has only just happened in the last 2 weeks. My daughter is 20 months old. Have been to an Opticians, and the outcome is she is long-sighted in both eyes (+5 in both eyes), and due to being longsighted has developed a slight intermittant squint in her right eye. They have said she needs to wear glasses all the time and for the rest of her life. They said if she doesnt wear her glasses all the time then the squint will get worse and she could lose her sight in that eye. I am currently at the stage (in a couple of days) of choosing her glasses. We are also being referred (to a hospital). Can anyone give me any advice at all about squints, whether this will get better in time?

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