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Parent/s with Alzheimers

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sykes · 02/05/2003 09:57

Does anyone have experience of the above? Father had Alzheimers - died years ago and my mother has had it for the past five years. Find it v stressful and sad - particularly as she really wanted grandchildren but barely knows me sometimes, let alone dds. There are some great support groups that I'm aware of but not too keen to get v involved with. She's in hospital at the moment due to a fall and next move is a nursing home which is giving me nightmares. To find her last home took about 15 visits - there are some great ones but some really (in my eyes) awful ones. Having said that I have SUCH admiration for anyone who can deal with dementia etc. Just wondered if anyone had experience of this?

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winnie1 · 02/05/2003 11:01

Sykes, I have some limited experience of people with Alzheimers and appreciate how terribly stressful and sad it must be for the family who are in affect bereaved of their loved ones emotionally, if not physically, it is so difficult. How awful that both of your parents have been struck by this. I have met a married couple who both have alzheimers and are living in the same home with virtually no awareness of the other (which was terribly sad too). Of all the people I have met with Alzheimers I am always fascinated by the life behind that face, amazing lives. It is indeed a very cruel condition. I wish I could say something comforting, but do understand how heartbreaking this is. My heart goes out to you.

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sykes · 02/05/2003 11:06

Thanks very much for your reply - v kind.

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slug · 02/05/2003 12:10

Sykes, I used to work in a care home with people with Alzheimers and other types of dementia. It's heartbreaking to watch a parent deteriorate and cease to know their own children.It never ceases to amaze me how much the families have put up with before they made the decision to put their parent into care. The levels of stress on the family is truly amazing. Rest assured you HAVE done the right thing. This condition will not get any better and you are putting your own health at risk if you don't get the necessary help for her.

I know it's hard to find a nice home. The one I worked in had cats, a retired guide dog and birds everywhere. We had a lot of fun with the residents playing remembering games from their youth, having old times sing alongs every week, and when the weather was sunny, nipping off to the pub across the road for a swift half. The only advice I could give you is to try dropping in at odd times during the day to see what's going on. In my experience it's often the slightly shabbier homes that spend more time on patient care and less on the physical surrounds.

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sykes · 02/05/2003 12:30

Thanks for that, Slugs. I must start visiting as ap - just rather hard with two small dds and a full time job in town that means I leave home v early and not back until 7 at the earliest. I should book some days off to devote to the task.

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pupuce · 02/05/2003 15:56

Sykes - I can't give you specific tips but my parent's best friend recently died after a few years with Alzheimer. His wife went to visit him every day (his teenage kids less) and she use to bring him a cake every day.... that's all that he seemed to relate to at the end and look forward to (the cake). It was sooo sad but his wife - I have so much admiration for her as it was difficult... raising boys, working and taking care of someone who didn't speak anymore.
Good luck and cyber hugs

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hmb · 02/05/2003 16:29

Sykes, I am so sorry that your mother has Alzheimers. It is so very hard to see your parents minds fail them, and it is so distressing when they don't know who you are. My mother has dementia (thru stokes not AD), and I am in a similar situation to you. Thankfully my mother is in a wonderful psychogeriatric hospital, and the care she gets is first rate. But I know that this isn't the case every where.

First thing, don't feel guilty. AD patients get to the point where they need specialist care, and you cannot give that to your mum. One of Mum's nurses told me this one visit. I couldn't have coped, and it wouldn't have helped anyone.

Regarding getting care, have you contacted your mothers social worker? They should be able to give youa list of suitable homes in your area. Your mothers consultant should also be able to help you in this. You will probably need to get a nursing home that has the ability to cope with the elderly mentally ill (they are called EMI units where Mum lives). Not all homes will do this. The Alzeimers Society website has a vast amount of information that you would find helpful, I can't remember the website but if you google, you'll find it.

If it helps at all, as my Mother has got worse, she had become much less upset and agitated. She is far more content now, and almost 'happy'. Big cyber hugs to you, I know how hard this is for you to cope with.

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sykes · 02/05/2003 16:36

Thanks for all messages and hmb, sympathies to you. Do agree she's less agitated the worse she gets - just v sad and distressing as I'm sure you know. Thanks again.

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bayleaf · 02/05/2003 18:59

Hi Sykes
My mum was diagnosed with dementia about 10 years ago when she was 57. In the last 5 years she hasn't said anything meaningful, can no longer stand unaided, is doubly incontinent ( has been for years) doesn't give any real sign of knowing anyone ( Dd can be placed on her lap and she acts as though there is nothing there) and STILL my dad looks after her at home.
I'm not saying this to imply that anyone should look after partners/parents at home - far from it, I know if my dad were not around that I could NEVER do what he does ( luckily he's very fit for his age and has the patience of a saint - he doesn't even do moaning or self pity!!!)
She does have respite care tho - once every 6 weeks she goes in for 2 weeks - and the rest of the time she goes in for the day 2 days a week - luckily at the moment this is all funded by the state, we appreciate that we are very lucky in this respect!
I find it very hard to 'deal ' with mum now - when she was going thru the bloshy stage I felt I could do something useful, talking to her, calming her down sometimes, taking her into town ( scarey tho' as I knew if I let go of her hand it was like having a toddler who would disappear - tho a bit harder to run around a shop shouting for a 60 year old to come back...)but now , if I'm honest, I find it hard to cope with treating her as my mum - hard to motivate myself to talk to her when there isn't any response and hasn't been for years. I don't admit this to many people.

It is OK for me as I have my dad who I have always idolised - how do you cope without Sykes?? I also have a brother who I am close to so don't feel alone.
Mostly I did my greiving in the early stages and now I just don't think about it - just odd times it gets to me when I think of something, remember things she would have liked.
I'm not sure I've said anything even remotely useful - but you're certainly not alone.

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mears · 03/05/2003 09:49

My Dad was diagnosed as having early Alzheimers over a year ago. He os on medication to slow the progression but just lately I can see him 'going downhill'. He is going to be 86 soon and is finding life very hard. He used to be very active but can no longer walk ant distance as he has breathing problems and needs to nebulise 4 times a day. His vision is restricted due to glaucoma and he now continually talks about wanting to die - he has lived the longest in his family and thinks he should have a pill to end it all.
He gets very frustrated at his own inability to remember things - yestarday he was frustrated about putting on a suit. My mother had asked him to do that but hadn't left it out for him. He has times of being very aggressive to her, refusing to take his medicines etc. He is the full of remorse for acting like that.
I am interested that there has been an observation that they become less agitated as the disease progresses.
I feel that my mum is in denial about his disease and she leaves him to do things and gets frustrated when he doesn't manage it ie. remember to take his medication, put on a suit etc. He looks so frail now but I am worried that my mother (who is 70) will have a stroke with the pressure she is under (family history).
This is such a difficlt time in our lives. I am sure there are many more peoplwe than you imagine in this situation.

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mmm · 03/05/2003 12:57

Dear Sykes how sad for you and how horrible to have to deal with it.My mum is dementing through having had strokes and my grandmother had alzheimers and my mother in law so I've seen people too with these grim personality destroying diseases. I hate myself for it, but I find my mum on the one hand such a pain and on the other I think of all she's done for me, and find the conflicting feelings very hard to handle. My poor old grandmother even belonged to "exit" but of course had forgotten all about it! Anyway, my heart goes out to you too - I'm sorry I can't wave my wand. xx

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hmb · 03/05/2003 13:41

Mears, it was the medical staff that were looking after Mum that told us that as the disease progresses she would become less upset and agitated. For me, the hardest time was when the problems first started to get so bad she needed hospitalisation. She didn't know who I was and tried to throw me out of the house, she thought I was an illegitamate child that my father had wilt his mistress (there was no mistress), and was dreadfully upset, angry and agressive. It was impossible to talk her out of this sort of thing. She would think that my brother and I were small children and were lost, and when she was upset it was almost impossible to cope with. She has strokes, and her memory has got much worse in a short space of time. And as it has got worse she has become incapable of being upset for any lenth of time, because she can remember being upset. She has lost the ability to understand much of what is going on, and becaose of this nothing seems to upset her, she is quite calm and content for 99% of the time. Things have got a lot easier to cope with because she is less unhappy, and can no longer realise that there is something wrong with her.

It is such an awful thing to see. It is her birthday soon. And I doubt that she will know who I am.

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bayleaf · 03/05/2003 14:54

I'll second what hmb has just said. Mum went from being ''a bit forgetful and confused' to being really aggressive ( Dad got his respite care in the beginning when he saw the GP one time and he was was a mass of bruises from MUm attacking him over various day to day things - she would just fly off the handle and be quite uncontrolable)
When MUm first went into respite they assessed her violent moods and gave Dad tranquillisers for her - which weren't ideal in that she was often sleepy and it took a lot of monitoring to get the dose right - but it was better than the alternative.
Ths phase did pass tho' - into one of being more placid generally as her faculites diminished - tho she did still need to move, walk constantly at this point - from room to room, never being still for long.

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debster · 03/05/2003 16:54

My mother was diagnosed with Alzheimers about 2 years ago. She is 64 years old. Like Bayleaf, my father is looking after himself. She hasn't quite forgotten who her immediate family is and I am delighted that she still recognises, and enjoys being with, her two grandchildren. Her moods also get violent with my dad and she gets paranoid that everyone is talking about her behind her back. Which I suppose is true in a way as the only time my dad can talk about it is when she is out of the room. She knows something is wrong but she doesn't understand what. She gets very anxious when not with my dad to the point where she doesn't even want him to stay downstairs when she wants to go to bed. It is hearbreaking watching all this from afar. I feel incredibly guilty that I can't do more (We live in Brighton, parents live in London). I am so sad that both my parents worked really hard all their lives, saving their money for their retirement and as soon as they have the opportunity to enjoy themselves this happens. It is so cruel.

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mmm · 04/05/2003 10:12

Do you all have conflicting feelings for your relatives too? I recognise that my mum's ill, but feel so angry with her for not being the mum I still feel I need that it can make me less than sympathetic. Of course I feel mega guilty that I feel like this.

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debster · 04/05/2003 21:17

I must admit to feelings of frustration when I am with my Mum. Just the way she repeats herself over and over again about the most trivial things like shampoo. I feel so sorry for my Dad in all this as I know he's finding it hard. I wish there was something I could do for him. We are going on holiday with them next month and I am hoping this will give him some respite. At least he will have some sensible conversation for a change.

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tigermoth · 05/05/2003 11:56

I've been avoiding this thread for days - sending love to all of you who have parents with dementia.

Reading your messeges has reminded me of things I find upsetting. Now my parents are dead I can just dwell on the good bits, I forget the meaningless conversations, the guilt that I am not living with them and can't do more, the knowledge that things are only going to get worse.

I grew up with a father who had never recovered from a nervous breakdown he had in the 1950's and, due to his manic depression was given ECT treatment (in the 1960's) which led to parkinson-type problems. I have good memories of him up to age 6, then he was was in hospital for years, and came out a changed man, intelligence still intact (we think) but communication skills very diminished, so he appeared demented. I simply could not cope with it in my teens, and felt very distant towards him. My mum was a rock. She looked after both my father and my grandmother, who had developed senile dementia. She was a conscientious carer, full of energy and capablilty.

For many years after my grandmother died my mum and dad lived a quiet life and I visited often, but gravitated towards my mum. When my father died, my mother had a year or two alone then developed a brain tumour. In the space of six months I saw her go from forgetting the odd word and saying to me that she though she might have had a small stroke, to her being bedridden and speechless. I don't know if her illness mirrors alzheimers - it felt like a speeded up version to me - but just wanted to agree with those who say that after a slight personality change and general depresssion she entered a questioning/worrying/still some-self-awareness stage then this was replaced by a calmer, happier stage. Her emotions for others were flattened out, she loved me, but no longer cared for me. So she loved to see me visit, but uncharacteristically didn't worry if I was tired from driving to see her. The last emotions to go, I think, were the ones that related to herself, she still got upset that some of her friends weren't visiting her a month or so before she died. The other thing that seemed a marvel to me, and I don't know if this applies to alzheimers, was that even when she was very ill, some of her personality remained intact. Her illness seemed to slip away from her when we looked through old photos. The district nurse thought she was being eccentric in trying to feed her cat titbits three times in one morning, but this was what she had always done. Sometimes it was necessarey to intercede and say, no that's not mad for mum that's normal for mum I tried very hard to give mum's nurses a sense of her habits, routine and personality before her tumour, so they could see where she was coming from and didn't put everything down to her illness. I felt that was one of the most important things I could do for her.

I found that very near to death, my parents showed more awareness than I believed they possessed. My mother hadn't smiled in days, but the last time I saw her, laying immoveable in bed, my baby ds smiled at her and she smiled back. My dad gave me a distinct, long, goodbye look after I'd showed him some photos - the last time I saw him.

Sykes, and others, if you have any specific questions re nursing homes, I may be able to help. My MIL is a very experienced geriatric nurse (semi retired now) and she and my FIL ran a private nursing home for many years.
I can ask them questions if you like.

Sending you a cyberhug.

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mmm · 05/05/2003 12:24

I thought it was insightful when the physchiatrist who visited my mum said that she had had a "coarsening" of her personality. That is exactly what it is. I'm in my mid forties and my father died 3 years ago and it's so sad that since then my poor old mum has become a rubbishy telly addict, now thinks ferrero rocher chocs are "good" , can hardly hobble down to the PO to collect her pension and is lonely and frightened. I have invited her to live with us but of course(and luckily for us) she doesn't want to.It does seem a one way ticket doesn't it?

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sykes · 06/05/2003 12:43

Again - thanks so much for all these thoughts. It's good to "talk" to people who (unfortunately) can empathise. Mum does seem less agitated at the moment so that's good - just worried about the next move. Agree with feelings of frustration that she's not my mum anymore as am having a fairly hard time with dh at the moment so would LOVE to have a close relative to run to. Having said that she, very strangely, last week told me that she loved me more than anything in the world - normally not convinced she has a clue who I am. Thanks again. May post re nursing homes once I start my rounds .....

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hmb · 06/05/2003 13:00

Sykes, if your mum moves now, she will at least stand a chance to adapt (at least in part) to her new surroundings, which will be good for both her and you. Cyberhugs to you, I know how awful this all it.

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hmb · 11/05/2003 20:25

I went to visit my mother yesterday, and she has got even worse in the 3 weeks since I saw her last (I live 5 hours drive each way from her so visiting isn't easy). It was her birthday, but she had no idea. She didn't recognise me or my brother, and hardly spoke at all, and what she said made no sence. We gave her some chocolates, and she rubbed them all over her face, it was so awful to see, and so dreadfully sad. It is such an awful condition. All I can console myself with is that she seems to be contents, and is exceptionally well looked after by the staff, who are saints.

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tigermoth · 11/05/2003 21:04

cyberhug to you hmb.

And sykes, I too remember feeling I really need the help of an older relative here. I can't do this on my own - I didn't know my mum for the first 40 years of her life, I was not even born. She is there to look after ME! Really I wanted my mum to help me look after my mum.

I got very wistful thinking of how the 60 year old vibrant and experienced carer that my mum was, would have coped with he 80 year old ill person that my mum had turned into.

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