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Vit D results back

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knackeredoutmum Mon 24-Dec-12 09:44:12

I you read my other thread I'm the knackered out Mum with disturbed sleep but more tired than I think I should be.

Have ordered all the blood tests but now wish I hadn't ordered the annoying and expensive microtube tests yet as my vit d has come back low.

Reading is 36nmols. Am I right, for good general health it is supposed to be a bit higher (ie 70+) than the range given in the test result sheet?

Can anyone point me to a website telling me how much I need to supplement by and how quickly I will see a result?

Eurostar Sun 06-Jan-13 21:58:52
mercibucket Sun 06-Jan-13 22:39:54

really interesting eurostar, thanks

we eat tons of cheese - would that give us enough do you think?

Eurostar Sun 06-Jan-13 22:48:15

I'm no expert I'm afraid, it's just what I read. I understand that certain cheese producing bacteria have k2 and others don't but whether or not our mass produced food has those bacteria, who knows...

Interesting interview here:
nourishedkitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/K2.pdf

sipper Sun 06-Jan-13 23:08:07

Just asked my DH and he says we should all be making sure we are taking/getting enough d3, mag and vitk. I think I need to get him to start reading these threads so he can add all the latest info - I can't keep up!

sipper Mon 07-Jan-13 20:30:02

Just been talking vit k with my DH (ooooo we have such romantic conversations!) and he tells me he's currently looking into food sources and whether we get enough/how much vit k in our diet.

Will update when I have his full report!

knackeredoutmum Mon 07-Jan-13 20:33:24

ooooh do send him our way sipper, he could revel in the total geekiness of our thread!!! gringrin

ggirl Mon 07-Jan-13 21:15:04

ordered my vitd testing kit today

god it's a bloody minefield , all these supplements to worry about

SofiaAmes Tue 08-Jan-13 03:35:22

I hope you get more coherent information out of your dh than I got out of my father. He started explaining all about the mechanism of how vit k works and how important it is and all about his scientific papers on the subject and I am still none the wiser as to whether the obscene amounts of green vegetables I eat are enough. That's the problem with scientists (even if they are your father)...they can't communicate with the laywoman.

Eurostar Tue 08-Jan-13 21:44:40

From what I read Sofia, it was suggesting that the green veg would have K1 but not K2 - hence why butter on veg was a good idea as K2 in butter (although I think only from grassfed cattle - hence a yellow colour butter?).

SofiaAmes Tue 08-Jan-13 21:59:36

oh dear....so being healthy by dressing my veg with olive oil instead of butter is now out the window....smile

mercibucket Tue 08-Jan-13 22:06:20

hahaha
rock and hard place
was just about to ditch the butter for olive oil after horrendous cholesterol test

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Tue 08-Jan-13 22:23:14

Well I'm feeling vindicated for refusing to ditch butter since leaving the Margarine Years behind at 19 (30 yrs ago!).
I do cook with olive oil and use it for dressings on the rare occasions I eat salad - but I still have butter on bread, baked potatoes etc so I'm glad it's adding good vits as well as fats.

sipper Tue 08-Jan-13 23:12:37

Hiya Sofia Thankfully my DH is fairly patient even when I don't understand. He can practice his explanations on me!! When I am driving him mad by not understanding I like to think that I am simply being helpful and am his 'plain-English guinea pig'. (!) Your decscription of your father reminds me of when my dad attempted to teach me to drive. Who in their right mind says to a 17 year old "The car's labouring!" ???

As the thread has taken a little spin in the direction of fats. Here's a mini public health announcement on the subject of cholesterol:

<throws in food info stink bomb then dashes back to safety.....>

- To reduce inflammation in the arteries and keep inflammation from occurring it is important to address what inflammation triggers there are in the diet.

- Cooking oils/fats and gluten are two v big factors.

1)
Olive oil is still a good oil but should only be used cold - for example on salads. Olive oil, sunflower oil, and other vegetable oils, turn to transfats when heated. Transfats = bad news :-(

For cooking the 'safe' fats to use are rice bran oil or coconut oil. Or animal fats (inc. butter) (minor complication on the animal fats front though, as, to be truly OK, the animals need to have been grazing on their natural foodstuffs rather than been fed a diet of soy/corn/other veg as tends to happen in mass production).

2) Also important to reduce gluten intake as alongside olive oil/sunflower oil/margarines etc, gluten is another major cause of bodily inflammation in most people's diets. That doesn't just mean inflammation you can see, but inflammation you can't see (that is what causes cholesterol build up). So, using gluten free pasta as the norm is a good step to take. And not having bread very often (especially not every day).

This is a v simplified account of what and why. Not simplified because I don't think anyone on here would otherwise understand, but because it's the only way I can understand it!!

SofiaAmes Wed 09-Jan-13 04:25:33

Sipper, are you sure that's correct. I think it's when they are heated up to very high temperatures that they become problematic. But I don't think they turn to transfats....will research further. Is your dh a scientist or dr?
Anyway, I was being a little facetious. I cook with olive oil (not at super high temps....I do my deep frying with veg oil), but always put butter on my bread and baked potatoes. My father wrote a big paper on vit k, but didn't discuss difference between k1 and k2. I will have to ask him and then get my mother (also a prof of biochem) to translate.
There is a lot of evidence about hydrogenated vegetable oils and high fructose corn syrup inflaming the gut and causing all sorts of issues, obesity only being one of them.
If we comparing things our dads did to us as teenagers, I think I win the prize. My father asked my boyfriend for a urine sample one day when we came back from the beach and he was sunburnt and my father was measuring dna damage excreted in the urine.

sipper Thu 10-Jan-13 23:07:56

Hi SofiaAmes yes, am sure that's right. Yes, as you say, it is when at high temp. I have no idea what temp my food gets to sometimes (for example when using a frying pan) so I use the fats that are currently shown to be the stable ones. My DH is not a scientist or a doc, although is a sort of mixture of both. Don't want to fully describe him as don't want to out him! But he is very knowledgeable and anything he doesn't yet know, he generally makes it his business to find out one way or another!!

Would love to know more on your dad's Vit K info. And info from your mum too. How wonderful!

Don't get me started on high fructose corn syrup. That is a major bug bear! Should be outlawed!!

You definitely win on the teenage tales front! The thought of your boyfriend being asked for a urine sample by your father keeps making me giggle. Brilliant!

sipper Thu 10-Jan-13 23:44:22

Hi ShotgunNotDoingThePans thanks for your lovely message.

Here's that petition link again epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/28536

It doesn't seem to have many signatures and it closes in about three weeks. Any thoughts on how to help it get moving?

It sounds like a great idea and it would be a shame if it just feel off the Downing Street system due to lack of support. I wonder if it has already been mumsnetted...?? (Are petitions allowed on here and can MN rally thousands of sigs in a few weeks???!!)

P.S. Anyone who has a mo - please sign it!

(It's to call for Vit D testing as routine during pregnancy. I am v keen on the idea - I was deficient in preg even though I was supplementing. If I hadn't pushed for a test I wouldn't have known to up my intake).

ShotgunNotDoingThePans Fri 11-Jan-13 07:38:54

(Are petitions allowed on here and can MN rally thousands of sigs in a few weeks???!!)

Lookee here *Sipper* [smile]

One signature added!

NannyPlumIsMyMum Fri 11-Jan-13 07:51:52

The GP will prescribe you the supplement at the correct dosage so it's not something you need to worry about.

Iv had low levels on and off for years ... Some people do in the winter. As we enter spring and summer you shouldn't a supplement .

Don't go to crazy on the suncream either - that's one of the reasons we as a country have rising levels of low vit d .

Suncream inhibits its absorption so use sun cream sensibly but remember you need some rays too your skin too :-)

mercibucket Fri 11-Jan-13 17:17:31

That's not always true nanny
Firstly - many GPs don't know much about it
Secondly - some don't want to prescribe it anyway
Thirdly - some health authority protocols won't treat low level deficiency
Fourthly - if you are vit d deficient, it is usually recommended to stay on maintenance therapy once levels are restored
Fifthly - our summers are crap which is why a lot of people need supplements in the first place

Op, what did you do in the end and do you feel any better yet?

knackeredoutmum Fri 11-Jan-13 18:07:15

Am taking 5000iu vitd3 to retest in 10 to 12 weeks.

Have been taking just over two weeks but no change yet. If i started at uk 36 and take 5000iu, when do you guess i would feel better if this is the only problem?

Sent off blue horizon home blood tests on monday but havent had a result or acknowledgement. Anyone know when to expect something?

knackeredoutmum Fri 11-Jan-13 18:21:38

Oops blush thanks for asking

mercibucket Fri 11-Jan-13 19:27:56

Did you give them your email? Mine were emailed straight to me a few hours after they must have arrived at the lab! Pretty quick! So maybe chase them up in case they got lost or something.
I'd guestimate about 6-8 weeks before you get levels up to something decent, but that's a stab in the dark really. My sisters went from that to mid 50s in a month on the same dose, so that's what I'm basing it on (not much!)

knackeredoutmum Fri 11-Jan-13 20:12:03

arrggh, shame I didnt realise until now, I have emailed them anyway but I dont expect they will receive my message til Monday now

knackeredoutmum Sat 12-Jan-13 09:19:22

Well, they have been utterly useless. They have a received a report saying that the sample size was insufficient when it was the volume that they requested - but they haven't bothered to tell me this.

They have received nothing for the simple reports and havent bothered to chase it up or inform me of that either.

grrrrrr

mercibucket Sat 12-Jan-13 13:38:49

sad

Oh no, so are they re-sending the vials to re-do the test?

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