Is it still worth building a PC for gaming?

(72 Posts)
BunFagFreddie Tue 15-Jan-13 00:34:47

If you get a really good graphics card etc. Tablets aren't really set up for it, and it's good to have a massive hard drive for games. However, is it still worth building one.

It's definitely cheaper than buying an already assembled one, and cheaper than buying a decent gaming laptop, plus you get to pick and choose to your own requirements. Worth it if you're into PC based games (DH plays WoW and DS1 is into League of Legends so we're looking at upgrading our frankly archaic tower PC atm)

BunFagFreddie Tue 15-Jan-13 00:47:32

Thanks. Everyone has gone tablet mad, but DP can build a good one for £420. I'm just worried that everything is going to move to tablets. DP is geekier than me and assures me I am good with a PC.

Absolutely!

Tablets are fun, but I can't see them replacing a decent PC or laptop no matter what fancy bells or whistles they stick on. They're just too limited imho.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Tue 15-Jan-13 19:12:35

Personally I'm gonna stick with my PS3. It's designed for games from the ground up, it's cheaper than building a gaming PC, I buy a game and I know it will run and I don't have to upgrade it every 5 mins to keep up with the latest games.

Pedro It is and it isn't. The initial outlay of a custom built PC might be higher, but you are likely to get a higher spec piece of equipment, and when the next gen of games come out PC owners can just upgrade some components while console owners need a brand new console.

PC games are generally higher quality than console games as well.

BunFagFreddie Tue 15-Jan-13 19:31:11

You can upgrade PC's easily. We have a couple of Xbox's.

I am probably an old fuddy duddy, but I can't get excited about tablets. I can't type on them, so no good for work, can't run much on them and they are just fancy phones at the moment? I think people want them because of clever marketing. E-readers, fair enough, they are useful.

I could be missing the point though.

I think it's worth shelling out for the PC for gaming though.

Dp built his PC for COD gaming. Cost us about £1000 including a 6 core processor, best graphic card we could get and a 3D screen.

BunFagFreddie Tue 15-Jan-13 19:54:32

DS wants to build one too.

Console games are console games, PC games are PC games - there are advantages and disadvantages with either and some games work well on both formats. Is that enough fence sitting? grin We have both actually let's be honest we have them all as we are sad sad people

Tablets are fabulous for surfing the net in bed - a lot less faff than balancing the laptop on my knees, and a bigger screen than the phone. Disclaimer - I wouldn't have bought one purely for that, mine is a gift from work.

MrsDmitri I agree, I think I phrased my post badly. If there is a PC and a console version of the same game, the PC version generally has higher quality graphics.

Is it wrong that I want a tablet pretty much solely to play Little Inferno? blush

Oh yes, PC games look miles better than the console versions. We really need to upgrade ours, there's games I'd love to play but our PC as it is atm is just too slow.

TrinityRhino Tue 15-Jan-13 22:29:03

oh god yes
I built one years ago but it wasn't games orientated, just a more fun and cheaper way of getting a good home pc

I would love to build a gamer one now

MrsDmitri What are you looking at playing? Some of the games out recently/soon have got ridiculously high specs! Could never afford a PC that could play them at full quality.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Tue 15-Jan-13 23:19:04

Well, I can't say I've ever looked at my PS3 games and thought "well that looks shit, I'd better shell out a grand on a PC". I'd rather pay a couple of hundred quid every 5 years. That covers me for 25 years of gaming vs the £1000 PC and that's not including all the upgrading (and probably several new PCs) you'd have to do in that time. I simply can't understand why you'd pay that much.

flatpackhamster Thu 17-Jan-13 08:42:16

PedroPonyLikesCrisps

Well, I can't say I've ever looked at my PS3 games and thought "well that looks shit, I'd better shell out a grand on a PC".

Well that's because you probably haven't compared the game side by side with the PC equivalent. You'd be surprised if you tried it at the dismally low quality of the graphics on a console when compared to a £1,000 PC.

I'd rather pay a couple of hundred quid every 5 years. That covers me for 25 years of gaming vs the £1000 PC and that's not including all the upgrading (and probably several new PCs) you'd have to do in that time. I simply can't understand why you'd pay that much.

Several reasons. Firstly, an awful lot of games come out on a PC which don't come out on a console. There's a huge, thriving Indie game market for the PC.

Secondly, console games tend to be - how can I put this nicely - somewhat less cerebral. I mean yes, playing Race Through The Checkpoints In An Indestructible Car is lovely for half an hour, but it really is rather limited.

Thirdly, the console controller is less flexible than a mouse, particularly for strategy gaming, an area that is particularly poorly served on the console market. There are several reasons for that, but the most important one is the contempt the console makers have for their customers.

Fourthly, console games are also more expensive than PC games. They sell the console at or below cost and recoup the money on the games. While you're paying upward of £50 per game, the price on the PC is about £10 less for the equivalent game. So yes, the console is cheaper, but (particularly if you buy lots of games) it probably works out about the same in the end.

Fifthly, a console is just a console, even if it'll let you go on the internet. My PC runs my business as well as plays games. Can you run Quickbooks on a console? Can you run Outlook and synch it to your Win8 phone? There's more flexibility.

So there are good reasons for buying a PC, just as there are good reasons for buying a console (such as the ease of use).

"I'd rather pay a couple of hundred quid every 5 years. That covers me for 25 years of gaming vs the £1000 PC"

Maybe, but for my £1000 I get fantastic graphics, a bigger range of games, a bigger range of game genres, a variety of other programmes, much better backwards compatibility (thankyou DOSbox and GoG!), any hardware problems are easier to fix, the games are usually cheaper, DLC is usually cheaper, certain control styles just do not work on a console (mouse and keyboard is a much more flexible system), online communities on PC only games tend not to be quite so twattish, I can plug a controller into my PC, I can play games on a PC without monopolising the TV, I could hook a PC up to the TV if I wanted, I can have much more saved onto my PC than you can onto your console, you'll have to delete games long before I do, my PC will likely to run for longer periods and longer in general than your PS3 will, I can run some seriously heavy load programs (eg. 3D rendering, animation, game design)

Don't get me wrong, I like the PS3, I own one, but if I could only have one or the other there's no way I'd pick the PS3! And if my choice was PS3 and cheap PC/laptop/tablet or a £1000 PC, the £1000 PC would win every time.

Here's some images that show the difference in graphics
From Mass Effect
Skyrim
Crysis
GTAIV
COD
Dead Space
Fallout Oh god, the trees....

You may not care about the graphics, but one of the things I love about modern gaming is how amazing a lot of the games look. And on the PS3 they just don't. Which seems wrong considering the PS3 can play blu ray films!

juneybean Thu 17-Jan-13 09:27:07

Unless its for the Sims, nothing is ever good enough for the Sims.

Haha, the Sims has ridiculous requirements! I know I waited to upgrade my PC until Sims 3 came out, because I figured that if I could get Sims 3 to play I could get anything to play! grin

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 19:42:11

"Well that's because you probably haven't compared the game side by side with the PC equivalent. You'd be surprised if you tried it at the dismally low quality of the graphics on a console when compared to a £1,000 PC."

Big deal, I should bloody hope that a machine that's 5 times the price would have better graphics, but graphics are trivial anyway. Nintendo have always been a bit behind graphics-wise but their games are so much more playable and enjoyable. Some of the shittist games ever made had incredible graphics. And the PS3 hardly has bad graphics given it's 6 years old now.

" Secondly, console games tend to be - how can I put this nicely - somewhat less cerebral. I mean yes, playing Race Through The Checkpoints In An Indestructible Car is lovely for half an hour, but it really is rather limited."

Sounds like someone hasn't actually seen the range of console games available. Again, some of the best puzzle games of all time have come through Nintendo.

"Thirdly, the console controller is less flexible than a mouse, particularly for strategy gaming, an area that is particularly poorly served on the console market. There are several reasons for that, but the most important one is the contempt the console makers have for their customers."

Wow! You've got some beef here clearly! Firstly, not everyone plays strategy games. Secondly, I'd like to see you playing SSX, FIFA or Assassin's Creed with a mouse, that would be effing hilarious! Thirdly, when it's called for (F1 2012, GT5,etc.) I have steering wheel and pedals. Driving games with a mouse and keyboard just don't really give that 'simulation' experience do they?!

"Fourthly, console games are also more expensive than PC games. They sell the console at or below cost and recoup the money on the games. While you're paying upward of £50 per game, the price on the PC is about £10 less for the equivalent game. So yes, the console is cheaper, but (particularly if you buy lots of games) it probably works out about the same in the end."

Complete rubbish. The same games are roughly the same price across platforms. But there's a massive preowned market if you don't want to spend too much. Sure you can buy cheap PC games, but they're not going to be quite the same as the high end big releases are they. Mind you, I do enjoy the odd round of Free Cell.

"Fifthly, a console is just a console, even if it'll let you go on the internet. My PC runs my business as well as plays games. Can you run Quickbooks on a console? Can you run Outlook and synch it to your Win8 phone? There's more flexibility."

So you've missed the point. I have a PC for doing PC things, I just wouldn't dream of playing proper games on it. Just as I wouldn't want to run my expenses through on my Playstation. The console is designed for gaming, the PC just doesn't cut it for me. Not since the days of the Amiga have desktop machines been worth it for games. I simply don't want to have to buy a new graphics card every time a new game comes out, it's ludicrous. This isn't pennies we're talking about, it's hundreds and hundreds of pounds difference. I can buy a lot of full price console games with that money (oh and they never cost £50 if you buy them online by the way, rarely more than £35 if you care to look).

"Wow! You've got some beef here clearly! Firstly, not everyone plays strategy games. Secondly, I'd like to see you playing SSX, FIFA or Assassin's Creed with a mouse, that would be effing hilarious! Thirdly, when it's called for (F1 2012, GT5,etc.) I have steering wheel and pedals. Driving games with a mouse and keyboard just don't really give that 'simulation' experience do they?!"

You do know you can use controllers and steering wheels with a PC don't you? Anything a console can do a PC can also do. Can a console game do everything a PC can do? Nope.

"Complete rubbish. The same games are roughly the same price across platforms. But there's a massive preowned market if you don't want to spend too much. Sure you can buy cheap PC games, but they're not going to be quite the same as the high end big releases are they."

The triple A titles are all much the same but there is a massive indie game market. And you'd pay a premium for an equivalent through the PSN.

"Not since the days of the Amiga have desktop machines been worth it for games."

That's so far from true. PC games are doing brilliantly right now, especially since Steam breathed new life into the area! It looked like PC gaming was going to die out a few years back, but it's really come on in leaps and bounds.

I prefer the range with PC gaming, there's just so much more to do, and so many more way to do it. The PC's are worth every penny.

BunFagFreddie Thu 17-Jan-13 20:21:01

Oh no! What have I started? shock

Steam is the main reason for converting to PC.

Geeky DP is confident that we can build a good one (will use big TV and speakers) for £500. That's an absolute bargain imo. grin

That will be fine for Mass Effect, Skrim and Dead Space.

juneybean Thu 17-Jan-13 20:22:38

I agree with your DP, my water cooling system (who thought that was a good idea?!) leaked in October killing my graphics card, motherboard and all that malarky and I spent £500.00 upgrading it and it is pretty special now

I'm sure you could put together a good one for £500, especially if you've got TV and speakers sorted already. In all honesty £1000 would make a really good PC, but more than most people would need! I'm sure mine was about £350 and that was a few years ago, so some components will have gone up in price.

Aside from Steam, Good Old Games has a great range of older games, and Green Man Gaming has some good deals when they have a sale on. Origin (the EA store) is a bit of a pain in the arse, but there are some games you can only get there.

Also if you like Skyrim you must try The Witcher and Dragon Age!

Oh forgot, one other thing the console market doesn't tend to do, it is difficult to add mods and there aren't that many. Whereas mods are huge in PC gaming. While it might not be your thing, you can't deny how huge some mods can get, see Day Z for example.

Oh and I'm never saying goodbye to the PC, I've seen so many PC only games that have had a fantastic UI and great intuitive gameplay only to be oversimplified in a sequel in order to be put onto consoles, to the detriment of the game.

flatpackhamster Thu 17-Jan-13 21:16:09

PedroPonyLikesCrisps

Sounds like someone hasn't actually seen the range of console games available.

I think the word to describe the 'range' of console games is 'meagre'.

Wow! You've got some beef here clearly! Firstly, not everyone plays strategy games.

Well, you can't on a console, can you? But you can on a PC, which was my point - it's a whole market which console companies don't write for.

Secondly, I'd like to see you playing SSX, FIFA or Assassin's Creed with a mouse, that would be effing hilarious!

Are you serious? Assassin's creed is a FPS. Every FPS worth its salt is better on a mouse and keyboard.

Complete rubbish. The same games are roughly the same price across platforms.

Funny, I just found Assassin's Creed 3 on Amazon for £39.99 for the consoles and £24.99 for the PC. And Fifa 13 is £5 less on PC on Amazon too.

It's like you're just making stuff up to defend your beloved consoles.

Sure you can buy cheap PC games, but they're not going to be quite the same as the high end big releases are they.

Bless.

^So you've missed the point. I have a PC for doing PC things, I just wouldn't dream of playing proper games on it. Just as I wouldn't want to run my expenses through on my Playstation.

No, I haven't. You've just told me you have a console - and a PC. So you need a home computer to be able to do the stuff your console doesn't do. Let's add the cost of that home computer - about £400 for a reasonable one, every 5 years - to the cost of your console.

And look! You're poorer than someone who bought a £1,000 PC which does everything.

The console is designed for gaming, the PC just doesn't cut it for me. Not since the days of the Amiga have desktop machines been worth it for games.

Oh, I see. You're trolling. I was prepared to engage with someone who had even the vaguest notion of PC gaming, but that isn't you.

BunFagFreddie Thu 17-Jan-13 21:47:33

You can get lots of mods for the Xbox, but that involves doing naughty things that I do not endorse. grin

Can't play Assassin's Creed with a mouse and keyboard???
Must tell DP that he's been playing it wrong for the last 3 games!
grin

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Thu 17-Jan-13 23:14:32

Well, you can't on a console, can you? But you can on a PC, which was my point - it's a whole market which console companies don't write for.

I don't play strategy games so why would this matter to me?

Are you serious? Assassin's creed is a FPS. Every FPS worth its salt is better on a mouse and keyboard.

Assassin's Creed is a third person game, either you haven't played it or you just don't know what FPS means. My comment still stands for the other two in any case and for a whole host of other great games for which a mouse is not a good control method. I'm aware that you can buy controllers for PCs my point was that the mouse is hardly more versatile.

Funny, I just found Assassin's Creed 3 on Amazon for £39.99 for the consoles and £24.99 for the PC. And Fifa 13 is £5 less on PC on Amazon too.

Wow, you looked at a whole one shop. Well done you.

No, I haven't. You've just told me you have a console - and a PC. So you need a home computer to be able to do the stuff your console doesn't do. Let's add the cost of that home computer - about £400 for a reasonable one, every 5 years - to the cost of your console.

Ummm, no, I paid £200 for my PC six years ago and don't intend to replace it any time soon. So you did indeed miss the point and made some unreasonable assumptions too.

And look! You're poorer than someone who bought a £1,000 PC which does everything.

Wrong again, see above and you clearly forgot that you'll have to buy a new graphics card every couple of years as well!

I'm quite happy to know that any game I buy for a console will definitely work with my hardware. I don't buy hundreds of games and those I do buy are worth every penny. My hardware is significantly cheaper, I never have to upgrade it to keep up and the games I play work as well or better than they would on a PC.

"Wrong again, see above and you clearly forgot that you'll have to buy a new graphics card every couple of years as well! "

Actually, thinking about it, if you've spent £1000 on a PC then the graphics card you've bought (unless you've bought stupidly expensive and unneccessary case accessories) will most likely outlive the consoles.

"games I play work as well or better than they would on a PC"

So you compare them do you? Read articles comparing the bugs? Curious as to which games you've been playing...

"my point was that the mouse is hardly more versatile"

Except it is. Saying that you personally don't like playing games like AC with a mouse doesn't mean it is the lesser alternative. Plenty of people prefer it with a mouse. In that case it isn't better/worse it is just different.

On the other hand, playing a strategy/MMORPG/puzzle game is often better with a keyboard/mouse than a controller. The controller being designed specifically to play certain types of games. Whereas the keyboard, even if not designed for the games is often customisable to fit with any type of game.

And anyway, in your OP on the topic of controllers, you said, "I'd like to see you playing SSX, FIFA or Assassin's Creed with a mouse, that would be effing hilarious!"
Do you often find it hilarious when people use methods that work just as well? It's a funny thing to find hilarity in..

PariahHairy Fri 18-Jan-13 01:26:25

these people seem to have well priced high powered desktops, they have very good feedback. Have bookmarked them as we would like to buy a decent desktop at some point.

Dd loves minecraft and to run that smoothly with all the bells and whistles seems to be bizarrely expensive in laptops. My elderly lappy only has 1 gb of ram and faints at even the thought of minecraft grin.

PariahHairy Fri 18-Jan-13 01:30:17

The desktop we bought in 2003 would still be more high powered than the laptops we have atm. I'm actually suprised that there hasn't been a downward movement in price for gaming laptops.

Even desktops with decent graphics cards are still expensive, boo hiss.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Fri 18-Jan-13 08:18:03

Alright, stop talking about AC until you learn what FPS actually stands for and explain how you'd play SSX with a mouse.

£1000 PC is not going to come with a graphics card that outlasts a console. Console life is around 8-9 years. Your card in a PC that price might push 3 years but you won't be playing bleeding edge games at full res on it by then.

Most console games are designed to be played with a console controller. PC games are a random mix of stuff that works and stuff that doesn't. I used to think mouse and keyboard was the best FPS control back in the Half Life days, but having played games like Timesplitters and Halo on consoles, I now think that having to have a flat surface and a desk to play on is quite restricting and makes multiplayer (the kind with real friends in your house) pretty impossible.

Oh and yeah, it would be very, very funny to watch someone attempting to play a snowboarding or driving game with a mouse whilst trying to convince me that it was a decent, versatile control method.

"Alright, stop talking about AC until you learn what FPS actually stands for and explain how you'd play SSX with a mouse."

Here's the thing, it wasn't me who described AC as a FPS. Just asked DH who got given AC for Xmas whether AC is impossible to play with a mouse, he said nope, he's been playing it quite happily. He says it's easier with a controller, but then he just plugs the PS3 controller into the PC.

Haven't played SSX as it doesn't appeal, but I remember playing skateboarding etc games on the PC way back, and it's easy enough. Driving games are also easy enough. <shrugs>

"makes multiplayer (the kind with real friends in your house) pretty impossible"

Damn, I'll have to tell DH and friends that we imagined playing multiplayer games in our living room.

juneybean Fri 18-Jan-13 11:11:05

Is Left 4 Dead 2 FPS? I manage that fine on a PC confused

PS just how many co-op games are there on the PS3? Because we could barely find any, hence why we stuck to the PC (on that note, seriously underrated but excellent recommendation = Payday: The Heist, and less underrated = Magicka)

"Most console games are designed to be played with a console controller."

Be a bit bloody daft to design for a console without a console controller really wouldn't it?

You do know they usually design and test most games on a PC right?

How is Left 4 Dead 2? Considering it in the future so I can co-op with DH. Been playing Killing Floor which is fantastic.

"Your card in a PC that price might push 3 years but you won't be playing bleeding edge games at full res on it by then. "

Maybe not super high res, but then, neither will you be on a console.

juneybean Fri 18-Jan-13 11:21:26

I love it but I wouldn't call myself an intense gamer, I pretty much just run away from the zombies or shoot wildly grin but the graphics are good and on steam you can play with three others. I just wish they'd create more maps, because I'm confused on how to add fan-made maps, it was far easier in L4D 1

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Fri 18-Jan-13 14:01:41

"Haha, the Sims has ridiculous requirements! I know I waited to upgrade my PC until Sims 3 came out, because I figured that if I could get Sims 3 to play I could get anything to play!"

Same here ... but then when I finally did install it I didn't like it so went back to S2 grin

But, the Sims is a good example of the difference between PC and console games. The PC version has better graphics, far more depth, and the player has far more control over the game environment. The console versions are fun, but they're more the sort of thing you dip into for a hour.

S3 had some good features, though I didn't like the fact that after spending a fortune on S2 expansion packs I then had to start all over again with S3. I'm sure S4 is probably due soon?

I found the console version of the Sims almost unplayable!

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Fri 18-Jan-13 18:29:44

Well, of course some games will be more suited to certain control types. How we ended up in this heated debate I'm not quite sure, but I think the point I was trying to get across in the first place was that £1000 is a hell of a lot of money to pay for a machine to play games on. Especially when it seems that the majority of that cost is spent towards getting a few more pixels and a higher frame rate. Surely the strategy games and puzzlers which work so well on the PC don't need all that power.

And in terms of the PS3, I'm pretty happy with 1080p resolutions on my 1080p TV. It was cutting edge when it was released and still looks great now. Might not be quite up to the latest available tech, but it's not like it's unplayable or even ugly. And I know that as long as a game is made for PS3 it will run great on my PS3 which is more than can be said for stuff on the PC.

Anyway, it's been nice doing battle with you. I'm off for a gaming session now (after DS's bath!)

"Well, of course some games will be more suited to certain control types. How we ended up in this heated debate I'm not quite sure, but I think the point I was trying to get across in the first place was that £1000 is a hell of a lot of money to pay for a machine to play games on. "

Except most people aren't spending anywhere near £1000, and even if they were they'd be getting a hell of a lot for their money. My PC is worth every penny, whereas the consoles don't really get played enough to be worth their cost blush

You've obviously never played a good strategy game! wink Christ those things eat into your ram!

What are you playing? I'm hoping DS falls asleep soon so I can dive into my second playthrough of Dragon Age 2, or maybe The Journey Down.. hmm.. decisions.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Fri 18-Jan-13 21:14:40

Bit of F1 tonight! I play less since DS came along, used to get hours and hours of use out of my consoles. I get the feeling I may be late to the next generation party though.

I could sink hours into gaming, less so now. I'm just looking forward to when DS is old enough to play games with! Suspect it'll be a fair while until I end up with any next gen consoles either. It'll probably be a fair while until I end up with a new graphics card either! Dragon Age 3 better be playable or I'll go to EA and cry at them.

Forgot to say F1 looks damn good, DH even bought a steering wheel for it. Unfortunately we just don't have the time/space to play it, so it just sits in the cupboard.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Sat 19-Jan-13 10:22:25

MurderOfGoths The main thing that put me off S4 was the sims themselves - they look really creepy with their strange, lumpen faces uncannyvalley

Hopefully, when S4 appears EA will have reverted to more cartoony characters.

PedroPony I agree! £1000 is a lot for a machine to play games on ... but you really don't need to spend anywhere near that much. I'd guess that the big name computer retailers may charge those kind of prices, but there are plenty of other smaller retailers who are far more reasonable. Or you could go to a computer fair or assemble a machine yourself.

My pc cost about the same as a PS3, but it does more than just play games. I use it for work too and run powerful graphics, design and word processing packages. I couldn't do that on a console. Saying that, I'm genuinely not knocking consoles, I really enjoy using mine, it's just a very different gaming experience.

Hope you both enjoyed your gaming! With the hideous weather we have at the moment that sounds like a great way to spend the evening smile

I quite like the uncanny valley faces grin Do you know what I wish? I wish they would sort out the time, the Sims should not take an hour to go to the toilet!! And if they do then surely there should also be a Sims doctor?

juneybean Sat 19-Jan-13 12:12:48

The thing with sims is they just rehash the expansion packs for example, the next one due out is University... which I loved in S2 but am loathe to continue spending £20 a pop on expansion packs and yes I believe S4 has been announced for 2014 angry

To be honest, it'll have to be amazing and be able to run without using up a 1gb of RAM in order for me to buy it, I'm sick of paying out for a game that is slowly cooking my PC to death.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Sat 19-Jan-13 12:32:58

Is it not possible that the Sims are taking their phones to the toilet with them and logging in to Mumsnet?!

juneybean Sat 19-Jan-13 14:38:38

If EA Games can do that I'll give them my life savings!

grin @ Pedro!

juney I agree, though I'm now thinking of trying my hand at designing mods/items for Sims 3 which are MN themed!

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Sun 20-Jan-13 13:49:59

grin @ Sims are taking their phones to the toilet with them and logging in to Mumsnet?!

I'd be impressed if in S4 they could put locks on the bathroom doors, so when one sim goes to the loo, 15 others don't follow them in then throw a wobbly because they can't all go too.

An MN mod - you'd have to make a YABU one, and sims could have a deep, abiding fear of being U. Also, naice ham would be a useful addition to the menu.

juneybean Sun 20-Jan-13 19:56:12

MurderOfGoths Can I have a leave the bastard mod?

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Mon 21-Jan-13 11:21:21

Or maybe you could make one of these

juneybean Mon 21-Jan-13 12:25:26

grin

Snorbs Mon 21-Jan-13 12:58:53

I built a gaming PC for my son for Christmas. I used some bits and pieces I already had spare - PSU, hard disk, DVD drive etc - but if I had bought everything new it would probably have been about £600. We've yet to find anything it can't comfortably run.

I think at least some of the people buying the over-clocked UltraExtreme Weapons-Grade Fata1ity QuadSLI HyperRAM Turbo style products that are covered in dubious heatsinks and lots of stickers are more interested in winning an online dick-size war over FPS rates than anything else. You don't need a top-end i7 to play CoD.

juneybean Tue 22-Jan-13 10:51:54

Ooo Snorbs talk to me about FPS... I get up to 200 with The Sims, but so many website say you don't want that, and that I need a FPS Limiter? Is that true?

Snorbs Tue 22-Jan-13 12:36:29

I'm no expert but the way I see it is this: 30-odd FPS is ample for games like The Sims and MineCraft provided it can be maintained. You don't want it to drop to 5FPS when it gets asked to do something tricky.

If you're a serious player of twitchy games where fast reaction times are critical - games like CoD, Halo or StarCraft for instance - then you'd probably want 60+FPS. But the average player would probably not notice the difference.

Anything more than 100FPS is, in my opinion, pointless because I don't believe that our nervous systems are wired to be able to usefully deal with images changing that quickly. Few displays can keep up with FPS rates that high either.

SparkyDudess Tue 22-Jan-13 20:14:35

Can I go off at a slight tangent? DS is saving up for a gaming desktop, he's got ideas about selecting the components himself so it comes built to his spec.

Can anyone recommend somewhere reputable to get it from?

Snorbs Tue 22-Jan-13 20:21:25

Overclockers is pretty good. But Amazon's prices are often hard to beat.

SparkyDudess Tue 22-Jan-13 20:57:36

Thanks for that link - can you actually customise desktops with amazon then? I'd assumed not?

ladyWordy Tue 22-Jan-13 23:46:20

What about lambda-tek... They have an online configurator too, great fun for trying different specs. You can keep your design/s, and order the components there, or shop around.

www.lambda-tek.com/computing/gbindex.htm

ladyWordy Tue 22-Jan-13 23:55:31

...though re-reading your post, Sparky, I see he wants it built to order rather than DIY. So that's not what he wants really (unless he fancies a challenge..)

If he buys a few computer/gamer magazines he'll probably find ads from custom builders. That will at least give him some names to look into?

BertieBotts Wed 23-Jan-13 00:06:01

I think there's a hierarchy grin PCs are more for hardcore gamers and geeks IMO - which is neither a good or bad thing, just different to how consoles work.

One of the biggest factors IMO currently is the fact that with console games there's a massive second hand market, so you can swap games fairly regularly for not too much money. PC is more long haul - you can't usually trade games in at game shops etc or sell them on because of the activation codes in them being one-use, and a lot is switching to digital download only (with Steam etc) - there's talk that console gaming will go this way too, but I think that would be a shame - it's nice to have the distinction there, I think.

Of course tablets are lower on the "serious gamer" hierarchy - they're fun but they'll never replace purpose-built machines, and a touch screen just isn't versatile enough. More for the casual gamer really, or someone who likes trying a lot of new things.

I am slightly addicted to The Sims blush I'm still mad on Sims 2 though, I can't get into Sims 3 properly at all. The constant updates (and then the need to update all of your mods) drive me insane, the faces just look odd (slider mods help) and I can't get my head around the timing with the whole neighbourhood ageing thing. I'm planning to give it another go, though, when I get my new hard drive.

ouryve Wed 23-Jan-13 00:11:23

We used to build all our pcs, but now stick with the Dell outlet. There's some good deals to be had, with OS already paid for and legit.

BertieBotts Wed 23-Jan-13 00:11:26

MurderofGoths There's a time clock you can get (for Sims 2) which slows down the game clock to half it's usual speed, so it doesn't take them an hour to use the toilet or eat any more. I loved it - just couldn't get used to the way it messed up their sleeping patterns so I took it out. Anyway if you want o check it out it's by Chris Hatch at Back Alley Sims, although I utterly despise him, he's a sexist creep arsehole, but he makes damn good mods if you're willing to search through all of the weird porn mods that he makes as well hmm Often I am not, hence not providing a direct link.

ouryve Wed 23-Jan-13 00:17:24

Console life is around 8-9 years.

More like 5-6 years. There seems to be a 3-4 year lag between new versions of consoles. The replacements take a couple of years to be come attractively affordable as a replacement and for the games to no longer al be £40

ouryve Wed 23-Jan-13 00:19:07

Overclockers is quite pricey. Ebuyer is a good budget option, when it works properly.

juneybean Wed 23-Jan-13 22:06:33

Talking of mods I cannot live without NRAAS, Twallan is amazing!

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