Going to university in Dublin

(52 Posts)
eatyourveg Fri 18-Jan-13 10:35:45

Anyone know if students are eligible for maintenance/tuition loans?

lateSeptember1964 Fri 18-Jan-13 22:49:56

My son has applied for Irish Universities, so have been looking at the info. As far as I understand they can not get anything from the UK student Loan company. I did read that they can take a tuition fees loan from the Bank of Ireland which needs to be paid back at 100 euro monthly commencing immediately. Hope this helps

eatyourveg Sat 19-Jan-13 12:25:22

Thanks - ds is looking at tcd and I have found that tuition fees are minimal but its the maintenance I'm worried about. I shall check out the BoI loan

mathanxiety Tue 22-Jan-13 17:14:46

BBC article here. Does your student have an Irish passport? If so he could go to Scotland for free. NI students are entitled to all RofI student advantages.

Free Fees Initiative info here.

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea Tue 22-Jan-13 17:20:01

TCD is amazing BTW, would highly recommend Dublin in general and Trinity particularly.

No idea abotu the money side of it though.

<unhelpful>

eatyourveg Tue 22-Jan-13 19:43:44

He's in the process of applying for an Irish passport yes - not interested in Scotland

lateSeptember1964 Wed 23-Jan-13 07:49:32

Do they need an irish passport or is he just applying for one? I have all the paperwork here but just never seem to get around to sending it. Any luck with finding out about the tuition loan. I think I saw the info on the DCU website.

eatyourveg Wed 23-Jan-13 09:20:18

No they don't need an Irish passport ds just applying for one because he is eligible and he likes the idea of having one if he is there. Its a straight EU application. No joy on the info for tuition fees - the deadline for going through the Irish equiv of ucas is Feb 1st and he really isn't organised so he may have to go in as a late applicant. He's been through ucas and has a deferred entry place here but would prefer Dublin - but its all down to a matter of getting his head in gear and doing it!

lateSeptember1964 Wed 23-Jan-13 12:45:04

The application process was much simpler and faster than UCAS. If he knows the courses he wants to put down then it's very quick. There is no personal statement, however, once the application was in he had to send copies of his GCSE certificates that were stamped by the school. They needed to arrive within seven days. My son has conditional offers for UK unis but likes the idea of Dublin. He thought it was worth a go but I think no offers are made until he lets them have actual results this August. Your son is probably in a better position.

lateSeptember1964 Wed 23-Jan-13 12:52:49

www4.dcu.ie/news/2012/jul/s0712t.shtml

Have posted a link, hope it works. I am now wondering if this is just a one off arrangement between DCU and BOI

eatyourveg Wed 23-Jan-13 13:12:13

thanks for the link - its a maintenance loan which is the tricky bit though - either we or dgp will do the student charge. Can't see having a part time job covering food/ rent etc. Looking at the job centre website doesn't offer much hope either. I think everyone hears in the summer so already having his A levels is not any advantage

Good luck to your ds

mathanxiety Thu 24-Jan-13 01:12:48

Watch out for that CAO application. There is a sort of an art to it. The dream course should go at the top but make sure he has the required courses under his belt. For instance, he has no use applying for a course that requires honours maths if he isn't doing maths or his standard isn't comparable to the Leaving Cert honours curriculum.

If you get offered your first choice you won't get a further offer so that choice had better be the one you really want. If you get offered your third choice you won't get any other offer from further down your list, but your choices above Number 3 will remain and you will be in the pool for an offer for your Number 2 or Number 1 if offers already sent out for those courses are declined. You can move up the list but not down the list.

If he is really, really keen on Dublin, does he have a fallback option -- even a course not in Trinity -- that he would be happy to do? UCD and Dublin City University are both good universities.

They make offers in August iirc, after all Leaving Cert results have been fed into the system and offers churned out (like a sausage factory in many ways but I like the impersonality).

eatyourveg Thu 24-Jan-13 06:46:35

Thanks for that math his fall back is his ucas unconditional, he has looked at dcu but the course is not as good. Do you know anything about the American College in Dublin? The website says it is an associate of the American Irish University. Never heard of it and not much info online which makes me a bit suspicious but the course they do is just up his street.

boomting Thu 24-Jan-13 09:27:50

>>Can't see having a part time job covering food/ rent etc.<<

Given the state of the Irish economy, I wouldn't bank on finding any part time job to fund anything.

mathanxiety Thu 24-Jan-13 16:50:57

ACD is accredited by HETAC, which accredits third level educational institutions outside the university system (they don't accredit TCD, UCD, etc). HETAC places the honours degrees awarded at level 8. (HETAC is the successor of the National Council for Educational Awards or NCEA). HETAC is a member of the European Association for Quality Assurance in Education (or whatever its successor is called).

Courses in ACD follow the American liberal arts model, which is a good one imo -- however, Irish American University is at the moment only a candidate for accreditation with the state of Delaware Dept of Education, not accredited yet as far as I can see. Without the American accreditation, you are looking at a course on a par with what Dublin City University offers (same accreditation body) but without the advantages in Ireland or in Europe (or elsewhere) that DCU (which is very well established) offers.

eatyourveg Fri 25-Jan-13 08:12:10

Thats really useful Mathanxiety hadn't realised dcu's accreditation was any different to tcd or ucd. ACD has the perfect course but if its not worth anything in terms of being an established and recognised qualification its probably going to be a complete waste of money.

mathanxiety Sat 26-Jan-13 18:42:21

DCU and Limerick NIHEs (National Institute of Higher Education) were established in the in the 70s iirc. They weren't 'universities' when they were established and didn't grant degrees as such, but they were very good and recognised abroad as excellent educational institutions. A cousin of mine went to Limerick and got a 'diploma' in maths in the 70s and then went on to get a postgrad degree in the University of Virginia and have a long career in r&d in General Electric -- he actually got his postgrad degree without technically getting a bachelors first. Another cousin who went to DCU in teh late 80s and did languages and international marketing has never been out of a great job.

Both Limerick and Dublin were part of the wave of expansion of third level opportunities into technical/science/engineering/business institutions that also resulted in the establishment of regional technical colleges around the same time. In 1989 Limerick and Dublin were both turned into universities so my info on accreditation wasn't up to date.

They retain the original forward-looking, tech, science, languages, business and generally practical course offerings (as opposed to Irish Folklore, Classical Archaeology sort of offerings elsewhere) -- an example of some of the first courses in Dublin was Electronic Engineering and Computer Applications. The aim is to prepare students for the workplace wherever that may be. Grads find good jobs all over the world, as well as excellent postgrad opportunities. Research is one of DCU's string suits.

mathanxiety Sat 26-Jan-13 18:43:46

So DCU courses would be a much better bet than ACD's if there is one that suits. The internship element makes it very attractive.

eatyourveg Sat 26-Jan-13 21:23:28

I rang ACD yesterday as the website is not terribly clear on quite a lot of stuff including the accreditation. There are only 200 students in the whole college and the only accommodation is for students coming from USA for their semester abroad. All full time students are placed with host families. Ds would miss out on the whole university experience so its off the agenda.

DCU don't offer a literature based course, only one in culture and societies which is too biased towards social science. He'll have to do something quickly if he wants to go for tcd, the deadline is friday

mathanxiety Sun 27-Jan-13 02:05:18

He won't go wrong with TCD (or UCD) wrt literature.

There are two options with English Lit in TCD. One is the two subject honours Moderatorship, where English Lit is read with one other subject. There are a lot of permissable combinations

A UCD BA is structured differently from TCD. It takes three years for a start. In the first year, you take three (or even four) subjects and drop one, two or maybe three if you want to go on to single subject honours.
Average intake numbers are much higher than TCD and UCD is an excellent university. Details.

UCD lacks the olde worlde ambience of TCD but it lacks nothing in university atmosphere.

mathanxiety Sun 27-Jan-13 02:23:48

To see that page a bit clearer, click on the magnifying glass icon at the top right of the page (to the right of 'Degree Structure'). The only subjects you can't take with English in the first year are Archeology and Politics.

mathanxiety Sun 27-Jan-13 02:28:17

UCD entry requirements for applicants with A levels

eatyourveg Sun 27-Jan-13 14:15:00

OMG thats AA*A and A for the AS - ds can't have noticed that! Not even Oxbridge ask for that! How on earth do UK students ever get in?

eatyourveg Sun 27-Jan-13 14:15:50

A* A* A* - should have previewed msg

turkeyboots Sun 27-Jan-13 14:26:18

Dublin isn't cheap for students either. DB studied there and shared a room for most of the time. Most colleges don't have halls or any sort of accommodation office, so finding somewhere to live is a challenge if you have no local guide.

TCD only take the best of the best, and it is a tiny college, so 4 A* doesn't surprise me. UCG and UCC are also great institutions and maybe worth a look if he is set on Ireland?

eatyourveg Sun 27-Jan-13 16:10:25

If its Ireland its only Dublin as far as ds is concerned. Maybe going in as a transfer student might be an option - for now though it looks as though it'll have to go on the back burner and he'll have to stick with ucas if he wants his degree- thanks to all for the advice

eatyourveg Wed 30-Jan-13 12:40:49

Typical ds, waited until one day before the deadline to put in an application to UCD for English - he had a lovely email from the English department there who encouraged him to apply. No idea what happens next. He's put his nationality down as UK though he is in the process of getting an Irish passport - I assume he can change this later on but as far as I can tell from reading the websites, it makes no difference to his application or his fees or eligibility for grants/loans etc

lateSeptember1964 Wed 30-Jan-13 15:36:09

Yes thats my understanding also. They will just be classed as EU students so makes no difference. Glad he got sorted.

mathanxiety Thu 31-Jan-13 17:23:57

There are halls in UCD but a lot of students rent a room with a meal a day from a landlady, at least for the first year. Cousins of mine from outside of Dublin all did this and had 6 meals a week, comfortable, clean bedroom, sometimes bathroom ensuite but sometimes shared with the landlady, sometimes with babysitting arrangement with landlady's children occasionally to offset against cost. A lot of students rent a house with others too -- friends of mine lived in the same (fairly bare bones) 3 bed semi that their parents had bought for the purposes of student accommodation/investment. All the family in turn lived there with other students paying rent, fending for themselves food-wise and were occasionally checked on by the house owners to make sure heat was on, oven working, fixtures ok, house not too much of a pigsty. There are also houses and flats rented out by landlords to students allover the city and burbs. Rathmines, Rathgar, Ballinteer, Stillorgan, Booterstown, Blackrock, Clonskeagh are all quite close to UCD.

Buses traverse the city and suburbs, enabling students to commute from further afield, whether from north, south or west. Unfortunately, UCD isn't on the Dart unless the student is willing to leg it from Booterstown, quite a hike esp in wet/windy typical weather

One great thing about UCD English is that it is three years start to finish. The other great thing is that it is a really good course. UCD has a very vibrant student life and Dramsoc, L&H, LawSoc, etc., (latter two debating societies) -- in fact the Socs in general are all great ways to get into the swing of things. Lots of student publications...

mathanxiety Thu 31-Jan-13 17:25:34

And don't forget the bike option, though a bike should come with a really, really heavy duty lock.

eatyourveg Thu 31-Jan-13 19:11:55

Thanks maths a bike does sound a good idea. His allocation apparently is round zero but that still means he won't hear anything until July. There is a hall for international students apparently but I wasn't sure if that meant non EU. I would prefer him to be with a mix of people from Ireland as well as abroad. The website does say they can't guarantee everyone a place which is a bit of a worry because I thought living in halls would be the easiest way to meet people. If he gets in I guess the summer holidays will be spent in Dublin trying to find him a flat - did you go to UCD?

MerlotAndMe Thu 31-Jan-13 19:23:58

Eatyourveg, DCU wouldn't be right for your son if he fancies Dublin, as it's miles out of Dublin. It offers good courses and it's a good university though. Friends of mine would have gone there because it offered the course they wanted rather than because it was there location of choice.

Ah! sorry you say UCD. Did you hear Mathanxiety, the old Montrose hotel near RTE is being turned into student halls, great idea, that's a pretty big hotel, so if he gets a room there he'll be on the pig's back (gen up on the lingo). UCD great for bus routes into town, it's near stillorgan, blackrock, bray. You could stay anywhere and jump on a bus to UCD.

I had friends at DCU and they were going off on their mopeds at the crack of dawn.

KobayashiMaru Thu 31-Jan-13 20:04:18

DCU is hardly miles out of Dublin! It is precisely the same distance from the GPO (the very centre of Dublin) as UCD is, 7 km. Thats just a southside bias.
Don't forget that it is cheaper to live around DCU than it is UCD.

DCU is a wonderful university. It's also my alma mater.

mathanxiety Thu 31-Jan-13 20:24:04

I did go to UCD how did you guess though a few years before they introduced the halls.

Easiest way to meet people is by throwing yourself into the student union, joining socs at freshers week and then going along to the meetings, and of course nothing beats going to your lectures and seminars. There are sports too -- maybe he could join something of the beaten track like fencing or shooting or surfing?

Belfield is a bit closer to the city centre than 7km though -- maybe about 4 or so?

mathanxiety Thu 31-Jan-13 20:24:21

Or maybe that's as the crow flies..

mathanxiety Thu 31-Jan-13 20:25:10

*of = off the beaten track

KobayashiMaru Thu 31-Jan-13 20:29:18

no, I mapped the directions on google maps, its 7km to both UCD and DCU to the GPO. Thats by bike or walking, not as the crow flies.

chipmonkey Thu 31-Jan-13 21:33:32

dh's niece goes to DCU and it is a very well regarded university. Dh also got his degree from there and his degree is better regarded than the equivalent from TCD. However dh and his niece both feel that the social life in DCU is lacking compared to other universities and that there are a lot of students who are there because they are studious and not given to socialising!
I always wanted to go to Trinity, kind of fancied myself swaggering across the central cobblestones with my books swung nonchalantly across my back. However they didn't have an optometry coursesad
And my swaggering isn't that good either.grin

In TCD the lecturer says hello & the students ignore him.

In UCD the lecturer says hello & the students say hello back to him.

In DCU the lecturer says hello - the students take it down in their notes...

(I went to DCU and its kinda accurate!)

chipmonkey Thu 31-Jan-13 22:41:40

OnTheBottom, that sounds spot on!grin

mathanxiety Thu 31-Jan-13 22:56:53

The Montrose would be ideal for residences and it's been just sitting there for a while.

eatyourveg Fri 01-Feb-13 06:35:11

Think I need to get a map of Dublin - the only name I recognise in all those places is Bray and thats only because my Granny & Granddad ran off there from Waterford when they first got married. No idea if its a desirable place to live

MerlotAndMe Fri 01-Feb-13 07:29:19

Bray is big enough to have lovely roads, not so great areas. But geographically it's a fabulous spot. Foot of a mountain along the coast. I'd try to be closer to town though if I were a student.

I never said that DCU wasn't a good university btw kobaya.

Plus Bray is technically Co. Wicklow so it's a bit far out.

Actually I'm about 3 miles from Bray as I post!

Some nice residential areas but defo not a student town. It used to be a Victorian seaside resort - has a nice seafront.

eatyourveg Fri 01-Feb-13 10:35:08

Apparently my grandad used to sell ice creams on the front back in the late 1930s

mathanxiety Sat 02-Feb-13 05:46:56

Bray is very nice in parts but I would say it's a bit far out to really enjoy college life and definitely too far for a bike. It's locally (and irreverently) known as Brayjing nowadays. I grew up a few miles north of Bray and commuted to college from there. I found the distance just too far to be bikeworthy.

I had a friend who lived in Greystones, even further down the coast, and the Number 84 schedule ruled her life. The last 84 frequently failed to run, meaning a lot of mad dashing down Woodbine Road to the Blackrock Road to see if she could catch the second last 45 and somehow get home from Bray, or chancing a 46A to the Clonkeen Road in hopes of a rendezvous with a 45 there. She was able to enjoy herself a lot more when she moved into a place in Dublin 6.

<spent far too much time on buses>

Math you're not originally from Shankill are you????

mathanxiety Sun 03-Feb-13 01:52:39

<ehem I might be ehem>

wink

I shall pm you!

MerlotAndMe Sun 03-Feb-13 22:02:01

Do you two know each other in real life? :- Q

nlondondad Mon 18-Feb-13 10:45:32

@mathanxiety note the arrival of two extra transport systems DART and LUAS.

DART makes Bray much more accessible to central Dublin..... In fact it may now be easier to get from Bray to TCD than from Bray to UCD despite the greater distance. The two LUAS lines also make a difference in various ways - not as it happens to Bray, but for example Tallagh much more gettable at.

eatyourveg Mon 18-Feb-13 17:55:23

Had a letter from UCD with the point scores for his course for the last two years - ds is comfortably over the minimum so fingers crossed he should get in. Does anyone know if Irish citizens get priority?

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