Are there any full time jobs to teach english at gcse and alevel in fe colleges?

(52 Posts)
Veniceredmask01 Tue 04-Dec-12 08:29:25

Is it possible to teach GCSE and Alevel English full time in post compulsory education?
Hi hope some one can enlighten me, I am on a PGCE in post compulsory education. I only wish to teach GCSE and Alevel English. I do not wish to teach Literacy functional skills. Would it be possible to teach this full time. Or would it just be part time hours? Also is there a salary or are you paid by the hour? My university have never given me a clear answer. They keep saying to teach functional skills, I tried this and it was hell I was called the c word and my mentor thought this was acceptable. As you might understand I would prefer to teach learned who want to learn. Is this realistic?

Hope you can help.

LIZS Tue 04-Dec-12 20:31:47

I think increasingly funding is going to be targetted towards basic skills such as Literacy and GCSE. I doubt you would be able to exclude these altogether from a ft college based job but may be able to focus on those areas you prefer and maybe leisure courses for adults if employed on a sessional basis. Less reliable work though.

sashh Wed 05-Dec-12 08:32:29

I doubt it. F/T jobs in FE are like hen's teeth, for any subject.

Veniceredmask01 Thu 06-Dec-12 09:44:21

Thank you for the advice, seems a bit ridiculas paying £9000 for a course that the jobs are few and far between, it dosnt pay to try and better yourself that's for sure.

TheCollieDog Thu 06-Dec-12 10:57:45

Well, think about it this way -- in any job, you often don't get the chance to pick and choose the exact areas you'll work in until you've got a bit more experience. I think you need to sit down and rationally map a couple of potential career paths, remembering that often just by saying "Yes" to opportunities, you will go in directions you maybe hadn't thought of, but that turn out to be very satisfying.

From my experience of advising students & new graduates, I often see that they get to where they need to be, but maybe not by the route they expected. You may have to be rather more open to opportunities than you appear to be. You want to take on work that is actually highly sought after & needs quite a bit of experience to do well (and, dare I say, rather better written expression than you have demonstrated on a message board!) It's very rare in education at any level that someone newly qualified with little experience, will walk into a high-level job. Working your way up through teaching literacy skills will give you invaluable experience and demonstrate to others your talent and determination.

And paying for a course gives you the opportunity to study for a qualification, but it never guarantees you that qualification, nor a job. I think you need to think a bit more laterally, and open yourself up to gaining experience which will eventually get you where you want to go.

Veniceredmask01 Thu 06-Dec-12 11:21:59

I think education is in a poor state. I am an experienced manager from the private sector and going in to education has been a massive eye opener. The level of unprofessionalism is astounding. Poor behaviour and incompetence and that's just from the university. I wouldn't mind but I am paying £9000!!!! To be told its unlikely I will find a full time job is appalling. Part time does not cut it. If you was offered a job in the private sector and was told, you must first pay £9000 and 'oh your not garunteed to work full time', you'd be on to the police/trading standards in a flash. I think university's will struggle in the future because there is zero value for money. Also look out for learners taking university's to court to claim there fee's back.

cricketballs Thu 06-Dec-12 14:35:02

Didn't you do research about the job situation before you started your course?

In terms of picking and choosing what you teach - that is never going to happen. We all are qualified as teachers and therefore you are allocated where a teacher is needed. I teach a second subject as there are very little full time jobs in the country teaching just my main subject so I have to put up with it. I have colleagues that also have their timetable filled with subjects that they really don't want to do, but their timetable has to be filled up and there are not enough classes in their main subject.

Bonsoir Thu 06-Dec-12 14:38:34

"I think education is in a poor state. I am an experienced manager from the private sector and going in to education has been a massive eye opener."

I agree, and it is like this in most of Western Europe.

goralka Thu 06-Dec-12 14:38:41

most of this work is done through an agency, here and is hourly paid.
I do not think there are many, if any, full time contracted jobs in this sector any longer.

Bonsoir Thu 06-Dec-12 14:39:30

However, your spelling, grammar and expression are not sufficiently good for you to teach English. At any level!

Chopchopbusybusy Thu 06-Dec-12 14:42:06

You plan to teach A level English? Really?

goralka Thu 06-Dec-12 14:45:34

perhaps some kind of English language troll?
I know it is only a forum, and people type quickly, but really!!

Themumsnotroastingonanopenfire Thu 06-Dec-12 14:50:03

OK, I am sorry but I can't hold back any more.
You say you want to teach English at GCSE and A-level. I would not give you a job and this is why.
be told its unlikely - this is a contraction and requires an apostrophe.
If you was offered a job in the private sector and was told If take the subjunctive form of the verb which is were
you must first pay £9000 and 'oh your not garunteed to work full time', you're and guaranteed respectively
I think university's the plural of university is universities. You have made this error twice and it further demonstrates your lack of command of the apostrophe.
to claim there fee's back. Another homophone error their and incorrect apostrophe in a plural fees.

And that's just one of your posts. I'm not surprised that you don't want a job teaching literacy skills, as on the basis of your posts you are certainly not qualified to do so, but I am surprised that you think you could teach on a higher level with such an insecure grasp of basic grammar, spelling and punctuation.
However, I do agree that the unversity is ripping you off.

Themumsnotroastingonanopenfire Thu 06-Dec-12 14:51:35


tethersjinglebellend Thu 06-Dec-12 14:52:15

I like an OP with irony.

BreconBeBuggered Thu 06-Dec-12 14:54:19


HullyEastergully Thu 06-Dec-12 14:54:28

Get you're money back, op

goralka Thu 06-Dec-12 14:54:51

subjunctive or not, you was is still terrible!

HullyEastergully Thu 06-Dec-12 14:54:53

You was robbed

goralka Thu 06-Dec-12 14:56:10


Themumsnotroastingonanopenfire Thu 06-Dec-12 14:57:39

Goralka - it's not just terrible it's wrong. Didn't I make myself clear? I thought I had. grin Unlike the OP.

LIZS Thu 06-Dec-12 14:59:33

Surely you would have looked into the availability of work before undertaking the PGCE? Or is it that the placements have put you off. Sessional work is paid hourly on the basis of a contract for a specific course. It may also mean you don't work enough to get entitlement to Sick Pay etc

goralka Thu 06-Dec-12 15:00:28

terribly terribly wrong then....grin crystal clear....

Themumsnotroastingonanopenfire Thu 06-Dec-12 15:03:13

Unfortunately for the OP, there are a lot of English teachers on MN.

Veniceredmask01 Thu 06-Dec-12 15:09:54

Sorry for the typos and errors, however the best way to get any information is to make people angry and start a debate. I have been enlightend. I did try to do some research. I have asked all the tutors on the course and not one of them could or would tell me anything. Thank you for your contributions, even if you were having a little dig. Which also highlights a major problem within schools, university's and fe BULLYING!!!

goralka Thu 06-Dec-12 15:11:43

there not typo's and error's their mistake's

goralka Thu 06-Dec-12 15:19:24

akcherly scrapp that there definately errors

Suzieismyname Thu 06-Dec-12 15:31:52

Did you do any research before you signed up for the PGCE?

Astelia Thu 06-Dec-12 15:43:01

University's ha ha ha. You want to teach English? Your havin a larf!

Themumsnotroastingonanopenfire Thu 06-Dec-12 16:42:56

OK, Venice, I don't think you are being bullied on here, but you are having the piss taken out of you a bit. Let me try to be helpful.
First of all, there are no guaranteed jobs in any sort of teaching any more. Your qualifications and experience are what will get you the job. You need to tailor every application you make carefully to fit the job spec of whatever specific job it is that you are applying for. It is not possible for anyone else to speculate about your chances of getting a particular post without a lot more information.
MayI ask what your degree subject is in and what you are teaching at the moment? Without knowing this it is hard to say what your chances of getting work teaching GCSE and A-Level. How did you come to be accepted on this course that you are doing at the moment?

ohfunnyface Thu 06-Dec-12 16:48:10

This really made me giggle.

HullyEastergully Thu 06-Dec-12 16:58:28


MoominmammasHandbag Thu 06-Dec-12 16:59:20

We're all having a bit of a laugh at this, but seriously, I wouldn't even want the OP teaching literacy skills to my six year old. And I would be seriously pissed off if she was teaching my daughter A level English.

ohfunnyface Thu 06-Dec-12 17:46:29

I have read job applications for English posts not entirely dissimilar to the OP.

Cracks me up.

OttilieKnackered Thu 06-Dec-12 21:20:57

I teach full time in the FE sector (although in a sixth form college which is slightly different to an FE college) and currently teach A level only. I have taught GCSE and functional literacy in the past.

If you came to my college with spelling and grammar like that you'd be laughed out the door.

I have no idea how you got onto an English PGCE.

sam11480 Thu 06-Dec-12 21:23:40

Oh dear. Evidently staying at home all day wiping snotty noses has eroded everyone's sense of humour. Veniceredmask has obviously made deliberate spelling and grammatical errors in their post to be antagonistic and provocative. He/she understands just how pompous and power crazy teachers can be. I bet you all couldn't wait to jump at the chance to prove just how intelligent, superior and literate you are spotting these mistakes! How sad.

In actual fact Venicemask is the only person who speaks any sense on this forum. The world has gone mad. Just because it is prevalent in the current climate to be extremely skilled and qualified with little or no job prospects, doesn't make it right. We shouldn't have to accept terrible circumstances and Veniceredmask is right to demand more. He/she obviously has a lot of self respect and won't be forced to settle for second best. Well done Veniceredmask. I hope that you realise teaching is a mugs game and take your skills into a profession that pays well and rewards you. These jobs ARE out there; although teachers who have settled for the rubbish end of the stick will try to convince you otherwise.

By the way, I have a First Class English Language degree and MA, so please don't try to dissect my post for errors. You Bully's!!!!!!!

Sock puppet ^

It's bullies, isn't it, if it's plural?

Roseformeplease Thu 06-Dec-12 21:33:32

This has got to be a wind up. No one with such an appalling grasp of basic English could possibly think themselves qualified to teach Primary school pupils aged 5, never mind adults or higher level qualifications. You are being ripped off in paying £9000 a year for a course you are clearly not qualified to undertake. Do you have A Level yourself? GCSE?

sassytheFIRST Thu 06-Dec-12 21:34:02

Dearest OP.

I teach mostly ALevel English (Lit and Lang) in a large high school. However I also teach bottom set yr 11, bottom set yr 10 and a middle ability year 9 group. I love my job - both the sixth form and the lower school groups.

However I can say with confidence that your level of literacy, as demonstrated in your posts here, would fit in well with my yr11 group. You can't teach ALevel English without being bright, hard-working and an extremely good speller, punctuater and grammarian.


Roseformeplease Thu 06-Dec-12 21:34:53

Mug's game, surely. Or mugs' game. In either case, it is possessive.

ravenAK Thu 06-Dec-12 21:37:04

I like the sockpuppet. That's nicely done.

sassytheFIRST Thu 06-Dec-12 21:44:04

Sockpuppet has worked harder on accuracy but still requires improvement.

doublecakeplease Thu 06-Dec-12 21:48:06

I work in FE and wouldn't employ you as an English teacher at any level. Your grasp of English Language is too poor. Did your university assess you or simply accept you because you were a fee paying student?

It astounds me that people with a very basic grasp of a subject think that they can teach just because they want to. I had a student maths teacher shadowing me recently who struggled to complete a L1 maths activity with students. She said 'oh, I think I need to brush up a little'. I politely ended her placement.

tethersjinglebellend Thu 06-Dec-12 22:32:33

"By the way, I have a First Class English Language degree and MA, so please don't try to dissect my post for errors. You Bully's!!!!!!!"

Have you thought about becoming an irony teacher? You're inspirational.

HullyEastergully Thu 06-Dec-12 22:52:41

I LOVE the sockpuppet

sam11480 Thu 06-Dec-12 23:00:04

Oh what fun! I see people predictably think that I spelt 'bullies' incorrectly because I don't know how to spell it? It was a deliberate mistake to reinforce the point made in my post; that Veniceredmask made deliberate spelling errors to rile you all up! It's worked again and proved my point that you all have no sense of humour or general intelligence. Those who can, do; those who can't...

ravenAK Thu 06-Dec-12 23:15:43

Not seeing much in the way of successful riling, tbh.

It would've been slightly better trolling if you'd made the OP a bit more convincing.

You might still be able to rescue it if you now introduce a third persona & have a fight with yourselves.


BreconBeBuggered Thu 06-Dec-12 23:15:49

...wipe noses? Do please explain the point of the OP to us peasants, then. The poor spelling and grammar were part of a sophisticated joke to demonstrate the paucity of suitable jobs for the highly qualified, have I got that bit right? The link between the two was far too subtle for our feeble minds to grasp.

Please tell us the punchline before I wet myself.

sassytheFIRST Fri 07-Dec-12 07:49:07

The supposed second input from the op contained the deliberate error bully's - ah, I see, how clever!!

Except that one was a number of SPaG errors: the rest were less glaring but there nonetheless. The kind of mistakes made by the (just) adequately literate but not by those who should be teaching literacy to others.

tethersjinglebellend Fri 07-Dec-12 09:35:58

Err... You do know the phrase is "those who can, do; those who can't, teach", don't you?

That's not very nice to the OP. you could almost say it's bullying.

SolomanDaisy Fri 07-Dec-12 09:56:14

Welcome to Mumsnet sam11480. I am very impressed that you have managed to identify the one person on the forum talking sense. So soon after joining too.

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