Daughter about to drop out of uni

(53 Posts)
scorpio57 Thu 04-Oct-12 23:03:59

My daughter is a bit of a quiet soul and has just started at Manchester Uni. She's coping with the course but is finding life so difficult in the halls that she's now talking of leaving. She's in a "flat" with three others and whilst the two boys are OK, the girl in the room next door is proving to be a nightmare. She has lots of friends over every night and the noise they make is totally unreasonable in my opinion. It's now 11pm and my daughter has just phoned. The noise from the next room is clearly audible even over the telephone and my daughter is in tears as she has an important presentation to give tomorrow. She says she's been unable to study and unable to sleep for days as the noise goes on into the early hours. She's complained to the halls of residence but they've done nothing.
Any advice on how to handle this one?

ThatAwfulWoman Thu 04-Oct-12 23:07:11

Don't let her drop out. It's inevitable that you get stuck with weirdos in halls during your first year. But the noise should be dealt with by the people running the halls. She should bombard them with complaints, and if no response go to the accommodation office. Unfortunately I think 11pm doesn't count as that late. If it was 1am then it would be a different matter. Has she spoken to the girl in question and asked her to be quieter?

Maybe suggest that she tries to do her work in the library rather than in her room?

margerykemp Thu 04-Oct-12 23:08:18

She should transfer to a quieter flat.

Halls are noisy. Whatdid she/you expect?

scorpio57 Thu 04-Oct-12 23:11:22

She's constantly calling the duty caretaker to complain about the noise and has asked the girl herself to quieten down but although the girl appears pleasant and apologises, nothing seems to change.
She lives about a 30 minute walk from the uni and isn't happy about walking backwards and forwards at night so hasn't been doing much in the library in the evenings. I don't want to interfere too much but I do feel for her. I know 11 isn't late but it is when you've not slept for more than a couple of hours for several days and have a big "event" coming up! I am hoping that she'll eventually get used to it but we live in a very rural area and it's just been me and her at home since her dad died last year so she's just no used to noise!
Thanks for listening

ggirl Thu 04-Oct-12 23:12:36

ear plugs maybe?
halls are renowned for being noisy ..should still be able to transfer to quieter flat...she should definitely speak to accomodatiin bods tomorrow..not worth dropping out over.

ggirl Thu 04-Oct-12 23:14:02

maybe a transfer to a university close to home would suit her then

scorpio57 Thu 04-Oct-12 23:14:42

Any thank you Margery for your comment. Perhaps respect for others is just too much to expect these days

margerykemp Thu 04-Oct-12 23:15:12

She maybe needs to just adapt then. Can she get earplugs? It is only the start of first year- if these other students can't make a bit of noise after 11pm at this stage in their lives when will they ever get to have fun?

She shouldn't get too worked up about her presentation- she is only a first year! Other students will be doing theirs with a raging hangover still drunk

follyfoot Thu 04-Oct-12 23:16:53

Ear plugs might well be a solution for now as I suppose some noise is inevitable. I've got a snoring H, and these are brilliant ear plugs.

Rivercat Thu 04-Oct-12 23:19:38

Definitely ear plugs. And it's still so early in the term, the first weeks students often get over excited at being able to do as they like. They will probably settle down when the courses really get going. Your daughter may be getting the importance of work in the first couple of weeks of a degree a bit out of proportion, you may need to help her with that. It's understandable that she wants to do well, but she doesn't need to be stressing at this stage.

purplewithred Thu 04-Oct-12 23:29:45

She needs to keep complaining until a compromise is reached, and to put in for a transfer to another hall as soon as she can.

Presumably she signed a contract and so did her noisy neighbour. Check the wording of this and start waving it around a bit. There has to be a reasonable compromise.

Ponders Thu 04-Oct-12 23:41:15

I'm not sure noise at 11pm is unacceptable in student accommodation confused

It's early days, & many frenetic freshers are still having a wild time, unfortunately. Tell your DD to get some wax earplugs from Boots & try to grin & bear it for a few more weeks.

If her noisy neighbour hasn't quieted down by reading week, get DD to go to the accommodation office & see if she can get a transfer to some accom with post-grad/married/foreign students, who all tend to be much quieter

Good luck. It is horrible for the ones who don't want to be partying all the time smile

Copthallresident Thu 04-Oct-12 23:47:06

Perhaps she could try asking around and putting notes up in the hall/SU/course notice board, facebook etc. to see if any party people in a quiet flat or block/hall wants to swap, or alternatively a quiet person in a party flat could swap with the party girl? It is complete pot luck what flatmates you get. DD had three nice boys in her first year flat, that she still shares with, but one of the girls was an attention seeking kleptomaniac compulsive liar who was quite a challenge to live with and the other was too shy to say a word to her flatmates for the entire year. She slipped into the kitchen when noone was there and if you walked in, even me doing my best warm and friendly mummy act, she would bow her head and shuffle out mumbling. How she coped with tutorials I have no idea and she was doing some form of engineering!!

It is to be expected as shown by the comments above that some students will party hard, but equally it is reasonable for someone to want to be able to actually study!! She should not stop at the duty caretaker, they are only going to keep asking the party girl to be quiet and get ignored someone more senior in hall may be able to sort out something more proactive. A letter from you might help get some action. Universities these days have a lot of respect for the fact that parents are often paying the bills and are customers too. She should also go to see her tutor if it is affecting her work, they may be able to engineer a move or put pressure on the hall .

LadySybildeChocolate Thu 04-Oct-12 23:47:28

Noise at 11pm? confused I lived in a room above a student who'd come in drunk at 1am and play his stereo every night until 5am! Halls of residences are shit, they really are. The guy in the room next door used to wake me at 2am, asking if he could use my video (you can see how old I am). She should be able to move rooms. I suggest she finds someone who is on her course with a spare room and moves in there. If not, and she/you can afford it, what about a one room student flat?

ThatVikRinA22 Thu 04-Oct-12 23:48:23

what are her options regards accommodation?

ds is quiet and got his own studio flat - just off campus. 2 mins walk away, but he has SEN, that said, the flats were available to all. £108 per week.

i think i would encourage your DD to speak to accomodation services and see if she can move if she is deeply unhappy.

ds said he was in the' party block'.....threshers week was very noisy and he was awoken at 3am each and every day - people kncoked on his door and drunkenly wanted to use his flats toilet.....everyone came over to his block for the parties.

he learnt quickly to not answer the door!

get your dd to speak to someone about the noise.

PickledFanjoCat Thu 04-Oct-12 23:50:42

A house might be better as its more of a family type atmosphere.

It's harder to be that noisy when you live in a house like that as everyone will get annoyed.

Yes, sadly it can be too much to ask an 18 year old let loose for the first time to be quiet, it might not happen. I'd send her to ask about accommodation first...

boomting Fri 05-Oct-12 01:11:13

Hi, I'm at Manchester Uni so I know a fair bit about the university & life in halls. A few points...

- Applications to transfer halls opened on 1st October, so that is an option. She'll need to contact the accommodation office (either online or by going to their offices in University Place, which is the building that looks like a tin can).

- Halls always get gradually quieter over the course of the year as people start to get the wild partying out of their system - and at exam time they are very quiet (and Security do actually enforce the noise ban at that time of year).

- Security are highly unlikely to regard noise at 11pm at this time of year as being unreasonable, so I am unsurprised that they are not doing anything about it. Has your daughter (a) talked nicely to the girl to let her know she's causing a problem (she may not even be aware) and (b) bought a pair of earplugs?

- There are buses 24/7 up and down Oxford / Wilmslow Road (i.e. between the library and her halls). That said, at this time of year the Library is only open until midnight, but fairly soon the new Learning Commons will be open 24hrs.

- From your description of where she lives, it sounds like she's in Fallowfield. If so, then she could try using the computer cluster at Owens Park (above the reception). She may also be able to find a quiet place to study in her halls - for instance, there are study rooms in Carill House (part of Oak House, near what is delicately known as "rapegate" i.e. the slow opening gate out in the direction of Sainsburys) and Ashburne has its own library.

- I'm reading between the lines somewhat, but it sounds like she's a bit lonely and feeling like she's struggling to make friends. She might have missed freshers fair, but encourage her to join a society. All societies are still accepting (positively welcoming!) new members, and they're a great way to get to know others, do something that isn't your degree and have something extra to put on your CV down the line.

And finally, don't let her forget that this is first year. She's meant to be having fun, and at this stage no presentation is actually important. Very few degrees actually count the first year marks towards the final degree classification, and if they do then it counts for a maximum of 10% of the final classification.

piprabbit Fri 05-Oct-12 01:20:52

Has she tried making friends with the girl?
That sounds weird, but the first few weeks of uni life are such an odd bubble, making friendships with the sorts of people you've never even met before.

Your DD might feel differently if she felt that it was a friend making the noise, knowing that she could join in if she wanted to, instead of listening to it from the outside, feeling left out.

boomting Fri 05-Oct-12 01:22:26

Forgot to add - she will have a pastoral tutor in halls (who will have introduced themselves by now... although I remember having an extremely pompous medical student!) who can be an additional source of advice and support.

Also, if she wants to swap accommodation, then there's no need to find someone to swap with, she can just move into another room so long as she organises it via the accommodation office. Manchester has a vast quantity (and variety) of accommodation so there is the spare capacity to be able to do that. I'd suggest having a look at somewhere in Victoria Park, which often seems to attract the quieter ones compared to Fallowfield.

FairPhyllis Fri 05-Oct-12 01:44:53

I think it would be a terrible shame for her to drop out, as Manchester is a great university and I'm sure she will eventually have a fantastic time if she sticks with it.

I went from a rural village to Oxford (so not exactly a heaving metropolis) and had huge difficulty just getting used to having the sound of people around and street noise etc. So you could tell her that it's very common, but you do eventually adjust. And the noise will die down as the term goes on - keep complaining and/or try to get moved. Definitely not worth dropping out for.

Could it be that loneliness, or missing her dad, is making the noise problem feel worse? There must be some sort of pastoral support available, and I second the advice about trying to get out and meet new people, get involved in drama or music etc.

It might also be worth telling her that, in your first term, although everyone around you seems to have adjusted to uni life overnight and is having a fantastic time, privately lots of people are struggling with loneliness and homesickness - they just don't admit it at the time. So don't get down if you feel like you're the only person not having fun - it does all work out if you stick with it. I was a bit of a quiet soul too and had a miserable Freshers week and not a spectacularly fun first term, but I ended up loving it.

wordfactory Fri 05-Oct-12 07:56:11

Sorry Op but noise at 11pm in student accommodation is simply part of life at university. There's usually cut off point around midnight.

Maybe encourage your DD to realx and have some fun herself. Getting worried about course work so early in the year is counter productive. A degree is a long process and requires a slow burn. Ramping up the anxiety so soon doesn't bode well.

LadyMargolotta Fri 05-Oct-12 08:00:06

I had this same problem while studying for a vocational course. My neighbour had loud music on until 2am, and I would have to get up at 5.30am to be on time for my shift.

I bought some very good ear plugs, hard wax that moulds inside your ears.

LadyMargolotta Fri 05-Oct-12 08:01:18

Also, she could use the university library to study in for peace and quiet.

nameuschangeus Fri 05-Oct-12 08:06:19

Apologies if you've already covered this OP but I haven't had time to read the whole thread but didn't want to read and run.
Tell your dd to go to the accommodation office and ask for a transfer to a quiet hall - most places do have such things. If she not getting anywhere refer her to her STudent union or uni student support team who will a) reassure her and give her someone to vent her worries on and more importantly be able to assert some leverage on the accommodation team to find her an alternative.
Uni's are desperate not to lose students at the best of times but currently they ate extra concerned do they should go out of the way to keep her.
Hope she's ok.

upinthehills Fri 05-Oct-12 08:08:25

I agree she should think about transferring - I did after a few weeks. My original room was right above the front doors of the halls - you can only imagine.

I transferred to another block with view of the hills and on the 3rd floor.

I was a bit weird getting to know a whole new set of people, but the original room was making me totally miserable so it was worth it.

Tryingtothinkofnewsnazzyname Fri 05-Oct-12 08:10:39

I'd agree that a presentation at this stage of the year will not count for much if anything. I'd be surprised if it was even an assessed presentation. It's good that your daughter takes her studies seriously but she can afford to relax a little bit about this. She should also think about joining clubs and societies - if she hasn't already, or maybe look for others - and focus on talking to people on her course. That way they will actually be like-minded friends rather than randoms she's been put in a flat with.

HaveringGold Fri 05-Oct-12 08:17:49

I'm sorry she's having such a hard time settling. boomting has some very practical advice
Do you mind if I ask how much of this is about Uni and the noise and how much is homesickness. If her Dad died earlier last year and its just been the two of you, the whole thing may be just very difficult for her. Help her seek out pastoral care bit just to find some peace but also if she needs to talk things through. These first few weeks are life changing and maybe its bringing up a lot of emotions for her?

<<an unmumsnetty hug to your DD>>

Chandon Fri 05-Oct-12 08:20:36

yes, study in library.

Sleep if and when, complain if it is very bad (but until midnight, noise is normal)

and focus on meeting new people, join clubs, societies etc.

MsPickle Fri 05-Oct-12 08:31:19

I'm ex Manchester (a long time ago) and second the advice given above. I also found the counselling service brilliant when I needed them and still draw on things I learnt about myself/coping strategies in those sessions. In my first year I was on a hall floor with a group of girls that I just didn't get on with (apart from one who's still a really good friend but she moved off as the others made her so unhappy) and at times that's bloody miserable. We didn't have mobiles (I know, that old) and the blasted phone used to go at all hours but my calls would be hung up by some of the girls so theirs could come through! There are lots of student accommodation options in the city and because the student body is so large finding someone to click with is very possible but it can feel very daunting. I came close to not wanting to go back after Christmas in my 1st year but I'm so so glad I did as from there it got so much better!

Sorry about your husband. That's a lot of very big events in a short time. Good luck to your daughter, hopefully whichever choice she makes will see her end up happy in the short and long term.

outtolunchagain Fri 05-Oct-12 08:44:57

Would second the idea of speaking to the accomodation office and asking for a transfer . My ds1 has also just started at a big University in a northern city after leaving a quiet market town in a county with no big cities at all .Am slightly bemused at the moment that my politically active , thoughtful ds has turned overnight into a party animal hmm, I think he is also a bit bemused but is going with the flow which I think is for the best, I am sure it will settle , many people meet their best friends at University in term 2 not one.

Once lectures get underway properly she will meet other like minded souls , also she should join societies that interest her and she will meet others . I have to say though that most students are fairly nocturnal in thefirst term of the first year.

What subject is she doing , I know that at ds university they put vocational degrees eg nursing together as they are working shifts etc.otherwise you are all lumped in.

My ds is also slightly concerned about the amount of work but they need to learn to prioritise and understand that at this stage most students will have work at the bottomwink

goinggetstough Fri 05-Oct-12 09:18:32

A certain amount of noise is sadly normal. My DCs have been in the same situation. They do have to compromise and accept that some other students can only have fun if they have drunk a lot and stay out late, thus making a noise on their return. However, I do think that after Freshers they should be more considerate.

I am surprised at the poster(s) that infer that masses of noise is normal and is what is to be expected! Not everyone has the finances or inclination to go out most nights. There has though been some brilliant advice too which I shall pass on to my DC. So thank you.

If the ear plugs don't work, have you tried pillow speakers. These can be linked to an iPod or any device and you put them under your pillow. So then at least they have something else to listen to rather than the external noise and they don't have to wear headphones. The problem is that when they tired everything else seems so much worse and it can just escalate.

I hope her presentation went well. It is easy to say that it is only the first year and not to get too stressed, but at least the OP won't be posting in May/June before the exams that her DD wished she had done more work in the first term!

University life is all about compromise and that has to happen on both sides!

outtolunchagain Fri 05-Oct-12 10:23:18

To be fair the OP didn't say her daughter's neighbours were drunk just that they had friends over very late ,if they were out clubbing that would presumably be better because they would be out ,the problem is that they are socialising in their own rooms which presumably is cheaper.

Like you say it's all about compromise but most 18 year olds would not regard 11pm as late and that's just a reality.

Hopefully the OP can pass some advice on to her daughter , it would be such a shame is she were to drop out.

sashh Fri 05-Oct-12 11:02:07

Talk to the girl


and a very loud stereo at 5am - with the speakers pointed at the joining wall.

BeehavingBaby Fri 05-Oct-12 11:04:49


This is where I lived as a Manchester student. Admittedly it was Uni run then but it was lovely, with a really friendly studious atmosphere and a mix of interesting people.

Might be worth asking if there are any nursing/ midwifery students with the same problems at the accommodation office. Or if someone can take her place, a room in a family house might be an option? Often see those advertised in the nicer areas of Chorlton etc.

StrangeGlue Fri 05-Oct-12 11:08:50

It would be such a shame to drop out especially if she's good St and enjoying the course.

Can she contact the accommodation people and apply to move rooms? Sone rooms will be vacant now by others dropping out/changing their minds about halls. Or could she put up a notice looking for a room in a house nearer to the Uni (if halls won't charge her all year) or move into private halls which tend to have quieter people in as they are people who didn't want the "rough and tumble" of some Uni halls.

Personally I think making lots of complaints about your flat mate won't make much change but will make you unpopular - that's not fair of course but some students go to Uni mainly for the fun aspect in the first term and knuckle down there after.

She will need to compromise a bit though, no room is going to be like living at home and you can't try to force others to live to your home rules so maybe ear plugs and focusing on not stressing the small stuff would help. Can a presentation 3 weeks into the first year really be that important?

mumeeee Fri 05-Oct-12 11:11:05

Tell her to ask if she can move to a quieter flat although 11pm is not late for students. As others have said what about earplugs?It takes awhile to settle down with everyone at uni so I would suggest she doesn't quit yet. DD1 didn't like 2 of hewr flatmates when she first went to uni. She is now 25 and they are still the best of friends.

Waspspider Fri 05-Oct-12 14:43:13

Just wanted to let you know that your daughter isn't the only one feeling like this. Mine is a quiet only-child, and has just started at university. She's seriously struggling with the communal living side of things, and has nothing in common with her flatmates. It's hard when they are feeling so miserable. I would think your daughter has a good case for requesting a move if she's so unhappy. I've been trying to get mine to go the student counselling service for some advice on how to cope, but she doesn't think this will help. I'm afraid it might just be a matter of braving it for a year, with plenty of weekends home, and then hopefully getting a house with like-minded friends next year.

Sympathique Fri 05-Oct-12 20:28:37

& I just wanted you to know that there's nothing wrong with your daughter taking work seriously from day 1 - no, she doesn't have to 'relax' if she doesn't want to. She is not headed for a work-generated breakdown - I promise, I've seen 2 kids go through with her attitude - and their friends. She deserves to go far. And also I agree with you that noise so loud that it can be heard from down the phone IS excessive at any time of day: she's not over-reacting. (How much are these noisy oiks paying for partying? £1000 a term? Are they mad?) Hope she manages to find like-minded people. They exist, lots of them. Bless you both.

Sympathique Fri 05-Oct-12 20:58:01

Hang on, I'm behind the times, it's £3000/term, isn't it? Plus living accommodation costs. That's one expensive term-long party.

creamteas Sat 06-Oct-12 14:58:05

Lots of students struggle to adapt and take a while to settle. Some of the 'party' ones are probably acting this role to cover up their insecurities.

There are usually lots of different avenues of support. Mostly if these are used fully, things can be resolved. As well as accommodation service, counselling and personal tutor already mentioned most unis have a non-denominational chaplaincy.

At all of the unis I have worked out, they offered additional support to all students (including those with no faith). At my current uni, the faith centre seems to be the social hub for quieter and 'lost' students. Even if your DD has no religion, it could be another source of support.

As a last resort, if your DD loves the course and uni, but really can't get the accommodation sorted, then leave of absence would be better than dropping out. She could then spent the year finding a better place to live without having to reapply next year.

AuntGertrude Mon 08-Oct-12 13:46:43

Sympathique and waspspider- I'm with you. Many comments here seem to suggest it's the girl's problem - she isn't settling, or doesn't know how to have fun, or needs to buy earplugs and put up with it. Really, she is paying the same accom. costs as the others and shouldn't have to put up with this. There is nothing wrong with her attitude or thoughts on this. In "outside life" there would an environmental health issue about noise late at night disturbing other people - my daughter in first year halls regularly had her flatmates coming in at 2-3am with other drunk students, and carrying on the partying until 5am+. Why should she have to put up with that? She didn't choose to be in a flat with folk who wanted to party all the time. If our neighbours were doing it, we would not be simply telling each other to buy ear-plugs.

I hope she can get a transfer to somewhere that is a little less noisy. If she is enjoying the course and fine with being away from home but is finding the lifestyles of her flatmates ruining her sleep and sense of well-being, then she needs to talk to accommodation officers or student welfare.

figroll Mon 08-Oct-12 14:03:49

I can't believe people saying that she doesn't need to take her first year studies seriously and she should get with it and party. So many kids spend their first year partying, believing that because they got good A level results everything will be fine in the end - they may find out later on that actually if you don't do well, unlike school, you get kicked out at university. There were quite a few casualties at my dd's uni.

If your dd is conscientious, she probably wants to do well right from the start and that is to be commended in my opinion. There is so much emphasis on the 'student experience' whatever that is. I paid something like £6,500 upfront in accommodation fees for my dd, so if she hadn't been able to work I would not have been happy tbh. That was just accommodation, so if you add in the current £9,000 in fees and the £4 - 5 thousand in living costs it's a very expensive student experience, in my opinion.

I hope your dd sorts things out. She mustn't give up, as that would be a crying shame.

fussychica Mon 08-Oct-12 15:59:55

How are things with your daughter now Scorpio57 ?

I had a similar problem when I was at uni many years ago and landed up sleeping on a friends floor until we could get a flat.
Try to get a transfer, if possible. I know many Uni's have had spare accommodation this year due to the reduction in student numbers as both my nephews at top uni's have been given twin rooms on their own as there is so much available. It may not be like that everywhere but it must be worth a shot.

GrendelsMum Mon 08-Oct-12 17:35:22

How's it going? FWIW, I have heard that many Manchester students find the halls very noisy and struggle to deal with it after coming from a family home, so she may well not be as alone as she feels.

Xenia Mon 08-Oct-12 18:02:51

I usd to go to sleep at 10 at university. I always always used wax ear plugs. Also these days you can probably buy head phones she could sleep in too. Also consider if she wants to come home every weekend if you can afford that and block book train tickets. If it keeps her attending it might be worth it.

Or she could move into some very old lady's spare room if she is a solitary silent sort of person and that might resolve things.

Xenia Mon 08-Oct-12 18:03:20

My son started in temporary student accommodation which was a room in a prviate family house on the top floor. It was really quiet.

Betelguese Thu 11-Oct-12 01:14:15

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

catsrus Thu 11-Oct-12 14:50:06

My dd is at another northern uni, in private halls with severe restrictions on having guests there after 8pm "so that people can sleep" hmm she is next to a party flat where people are knocking on the door and having drunken conversations in the hallway at 3am. the walls are paper thin - she is not getting to sleep until the early hours then is unable to get up and has been missing her 9am session starts. Last night was compounded by the security guy coming up to knock on their door in the early hours to tell them people were complaining, so they turned it down for a bit then back up again.

She's been to see the student advisers who rang the hall - they are letting her look at a room in a post grad block, fingers crossed as this has been a huge problem for her.

Get your dd to log the problem - mine was reluctant to do so - but halls have rules and people persistently breaking them need to be clamped down on.

ladydayblues Thu 11-Oct-12 15:09:28

Your daughter has to "man" up and deal with it. Loads of good advice. Complain. Ear plugs. Wave Agreement. Move to another flat. Put up with it. Whatever she does, leaving the actual course is not an Option.

My daughter (no4 child) also a first year, is also going through similiar crap with her flatmates in Halls. However she is the eldest in the Flat by two years and has really used this to effect as they are always asking her how to cook something or how to get around London etc. After a particularly rowdy night, she charged out her room into the kitchen and really blasted the others! She was so mad at not getting any sleep, felt she had tolerated it long enough and just (according to her) became "me/parent". Having told them they were inconsiderate, thoughtless, selfish gits - and a few other choice words. They cleared up and went to their respective rooms. The next day there was a box of chocs outside her door and loads of sheepish apologies. No trouble since. They have all been out together for a meal.

I am sorry but we kinda sniggered when we heard her moaning about the noise but told her that she had to deal with it.

Xenia Thu 11-Oct-12 22:04:37

I remember writing an article in a university journal about noise or it might have even been a poem - it was all about how we should rise with the sun and go to bed when it was dark. As you can imagine that did not quite fit in with university student ethos.. plus ca change.

Tryingtothinkofnewsnazzyname Thu 11-Oct-12 22:18:03

Betelgeuse I'm afraid to say I would be surprised if an extension was granted due to claiming sleeplessness and noise in halls affected her work. It would probably need more than a log from her; I would expect her to be asked for independent evidence that the noise was a significant problem, otherwise lots of people would just be able to make this claim and get extensions. The best tack is to work on getting into different accommodation. The upside is that early pieces of work are not likely to be formally assessed and if they are will probably have a low weighting compared to later work, so if she doesn't do as well as hoped for it won't have much impact in the long run.

socharlotte Tue 13-Nov-12 11:29:08

Poor love, how are things now Scorpio?

fabulousathome Mon 19-Nov-12 18:04:36

Has she tried phoning or emailing Nightline? They are a student run (national) helpline that give informal counselling as well as practical suggestions (which hospital has an A & E for example). I know they have one at Manchester Uni as DS1 volunteered there and eventually trained others as volunteers.

Might be good as it's informal and won't involve going to the formal Uni counselling services.

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