Predicted grades not good enough for where dd wants to study...worth applying anyway?

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dottyaboutstripes Wed 28-Sep-11 22:46:28

DD wants to be a primary school teacher and has predicted grades of CCC. All the unis she is interested in ask for BBB. Today, her head of 6th form told her there was no point in even applying to her preferred unis and suggested other possibilities (apparently there are very few asking for the kind of points she's predicted and she's not wanting to go to any of them)

My question is - is there really no point in even trying? That seems utterly defeatist to me! In all honesty, I don't think she's capable of achieving Bs, but is there really no chance in hell that she might possible get offered a place somewhere she actually would like to study? I mean, isn't it entirely possible that applications will go down with the £9k fees being introduced etc etc?

harbingerofdoom Wed 28-Sep-11 22:50:01

If she can't even get Bs why be a teacher.

TotallyUnheardOf Wed 28-Sep-11 23:00:17

If your dd is predicted to get CCC and the grades that her preferred universities are asking for are BBB then she is really unlikely to get a place. They will have plenty of people predicted BBB or above and they simply won't make her an offer. Obviously if she were to do unexpectedly well in her A'levels and get the BBB that she'd need, then she could apply to get in through Clearing, but if she actually gets the grades that she's predicted then I think he's either going to have to change her career choice or opt for an institution that will make her a realistic offer.

No-one knows what the effect of the £9k fees will be, but I seriously doubt that they will reduce applications very much. Moreover, the government's plans to allow universities to take in more high-performing students (above their normal quotas) will almost certainly exacerbate the distinction that you've already come up against, between the more prestigious institutions which can afford to be fussy about who they take (grades-wise), and the less prestigious ones, which will make a low offer because they know that they are going to be struggling to fill their places. So, if the fees do result in a reduction in the number of applications, it'll be the places that are already in a weaker position that will suffer. [Disclaimer: I am crystal ball gazing here... could be totally wrong.]

I think that your dd needs to think seriously with her teachers and careers advisors about what kinds of things she could do with the grades that she's predicted. I hope that she's OK, dotty. It must have been hard for her to have heard that. sad I hope she can find a solution that will be good for her in the longer term.

MindtheGappp Wed 28-Sep-11 23:04:04

She needs to work on her teachers so that they will up their predictions!

This year is unknown territory with UCAS given the fee rise. I don't see any harm in applying to a couple of blue sky places. You do not have to pay anything to apply.

bluerodeo Wed 28-Sep-11 23:09:21

yikes - c grades I would say are not university grades. And I don't want my children being taught by someone who scrapped into or through university.
sorry, not what you want to hear i'm sure.
best of luck

dottyaboutstripes Wed 28-Sep-11 23:13:00

OK so my take is that there's no point applying to places where she really doesn't want to go. And I kind of feel well why not at least give it a go. We are meant to be going to an open day at her number 1 choice next week and after what was said to her today, she's saying why bother? Totally you make a really valid point.... I will be so interested to see what happens. DD says that many of her friends have decided not to apply simply due to the fees situation. What a shame.

She would be an absolutely excellent teacher in KS1, despite apparently being thick harbingerofdoom . Maybe she will have to find another route to getting there, but I really think she WILL get there one way or another. When I sat my A levels (predicted AAA but got a poxy ABB wink, my friends who wanted to go into primary teaching only needed EE!

BTW there's no point in upping predictions to get an offer which you'd never manage to achieve the points for is there??

dottyaboutstripes Wed 28-Sep-11 23:13:46

"scrapped" through?? I think there is more to teaching small children than mega brain power personally.....

bluerodeo Wed 28-Sep-11 23:19:17

I didn't say your daughter was thick dotty. she might indeed make an excellent teacher and there are different routes into teaching than through a university education.

FlumpsRule Wed 28-Sep-11 23:21:26

Maybe the 'EE' grade teachers in your day are the ones who have failed to push your Dd up to the BBB she needs. Good luck to your Dd; if she wants it badly enough, she will get there.

dottyaboutstripes Wed 28-Sep-11 23:27:05

I really do feel for my DD.....she got all A grades at GCSE but A levels have been a harder struggle for her (and she had major surgery in yr 12)

I was shocked when my friends told me they only needed EE for primary teaching way back when....but I'm not sure I can blame the teachers dd had in yrs 1 & 2 for her predicted A level grades!

DownbytheRiverside Wed 28-Sep-11 23:31:09

I'd second what bluerodeo said, look for alternative routes into teaching. Although I am a bit [shocked] that you think she'd be a good KS1 teacher, but don't mention KS2. Why is that?
FWIW all the recent graduates I've worked with had a 1st or a 2:1 with extra bling added before they were accepted onto the PCGE.
What does she think being a primary teacher entails?
Has she considered nursery nursing? I worked with some fantastic NN and they were qualified to teach EY. Don't know if the grade requirements are lower though.

DownbytheRiverside Wed 28-Sep-11 23:34:08

'but I'm not sure I can blame the teachers dd had in yrs 1 & 2 for her predicted A level grades!'

I think it would be a bit of a stretch to claim that as extenuating circumstances. smile
'In all honesty, I don't think she's capable of achieving Bs' Then I think she'd struggle with the academic demands and the level of education required for teaching now.
Alternatives?

EvilTwins Wed 28-Sep-11 23:43:08

I am Head of 6th Form in a smallish school. There is no point you DD applying if she is not likely to get the grades. The UCAS website has masses of information about what each university wants for each course- UCAS are very clear that researching before applying is absolutely essential, and that there is no point, given the amount of information available about entry requirements, in students applying for places they are not going to get the grades for. I would suggest that your DD uses the UCAS APPLY function to research places she IS likely to be accepted into, and think again about where she would like to go. Given that students DO have to pay to apply it makes no sense to apply for courses for which she doesn't meet the requirements. UCAS does have a process, which is put into place before Clearing opens, whereby students who achieved higher grades than were predicted can reject the place they accepted and try for a place with higher entry requirements.

housemum Wed 28-Sep-11 23:48:41

Dotty - have you thought about Open University? DD1 wanted to do Psychology but needed 3 C grades, she got BCD and was turned down (the only uni with lower grades for the course she wanted she really doesn't want to go to for various reasons). She has landed a full time supermarket job for now (incredibly fortunate) but says that she would still like to teach - she is going to look into Open University, although it would require a lot of discipline to study. Fees wise it is reasonable, I had a quick look and they don't take parental income into account, so she may get some of her course as a grant as she is on a low wage and has had no other Further Education.

DD1 will not set the world on fire academically, but she does understand what she studies (even though her exam recall isn't great) and has a way of speaking with younger kids that communicates well (going by her dealings with younger siblings and as a helper at Scouts)

Please, don't encourage your daughter to apply to universities that want higher grades. She won't get an offer from them. End of. She should research very carefully universities that will make her an offer.

However, having said that, this was the situation that DS1 was in. His predicted grades were very similar, based on the fact that at AS level he achieved CCCE.

He applied to relevant universities, (i.e. the ones that would make offers for these grades) and had offers from all 5 of his choices.

In the event, he really pulled his socks up and achieved AABA* in his A2s.

So he withdrew from the place he had accepted, and applied to better/more prestigious universities. This did mean that he had to take a gap year, which we hadn't planned for.

But he has ended up with a place in a top 15 university, and has also worked for a year - gaining himself very useful experience for his CV.

The current system is ridiculous. It would be far better if they could apply once they have their results.

housemum Thu 29-Sep-11 00:01:05

Sorry, skimming too many threads at once, realised she still has another year - but agree with above, don't apply to places you won't get into as you won't get the offer.

dottyaboutstripes Thu 29-Sep-11 00:10:22

Ok, so a rethink is needed. I had mentioned OU in fact, and the idea of maybe getting a job to earn some dough, then looking again as a more mature student. I think she could apply to her preferred choices on other courses also.
Thanks for all the thoughts & comments. Dd really wants to teach ks1. She's not interested in being a nursery nurse. I honestly believe she has an excellent temperament etc for this and watching her with her much younger siblings makes me totally believe in her.

DownbytheRiverside Thu 29-Sep-11 00:22:18

I think you are both misunderstanding what teaching in primary schools is about. It is not enough to have a pleasant temperament and enjoy the company of young children.
There's quite a lot more to it than that. confused

housemum Thu 29-Sep-11 00:25:10

Perhaps to help her case in future, after school/college, look at teaching assistant jobs? Might not be so easy straight out of school, I have no experience of what they look for though if she is studying for a relevant degree it might have some sway, it might be useful experience to get on a PGCE course after her degree.

dottyaboutstripes Thu 29-Sep-11 00:27:54

Ok I am knackered and can't even think straight but when I say watching her with my other kids, I'm talking about helping them with homework, reading etc. She has a placement at a local primary during her free lessons etc blah blah
Or maybe it's about playing hopscotch and Doctors & nurses grin
She should just emulate her mother and be a sahm eh? Though of course I have a degree which qualifies me for that wink

DownbytheRiverside Thu 29-Sep-11 00:32:20

You asked, we responded.
Your daughter is at liberty to do whatever she likes, as are you. But if you are unhappy with the responses you can just ignore them.

I had a SAHH with an Oxbridge double first and a PhD. Don't see why that's relevant though.

dottyaboutstripes Thu 29-Sep-11 00:37:37

I'm not unhappy and not ignoring. I'm tired and sad for my dd and the tone of what I'm typing is being lost or misunderstood. It's been a very long time since I applied and was a student. I went for the sake of studying with no clue what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. Met dh, he did his phd, got knocked up, still don't know what I want to do!

DownbytheRiverside Thu 29-Sep-11 00:49:39

I'm sorry, I'm tired too. I've just put in yet another 8-6 day at work, and have spent a further two hours creating resources for class tomorrow.
You just seem to have a rather low opinion of what a KS1 teacher does, and that can be quite galling to those doing the job. I'm also an NQT mentor.
Teaching now is a highly-skilled and demanding job with a continuous learning curve, very detailed planning and assessment requirements and academically demanding. Even if the children you teach are merely adding numbers to 10 and learning their phonemes.
I do wish you and her luck, I have one teenager and one at university. Sometimes their dreams don't come true, however much you want them to.
Try other routes to the same goal.

duchesse Thu 29-Sep-11 00:57:35

Might be worth it for next year, after the bun fight that was this year's university entrance to get ahead of the fees increase, I reckon things will be quite quiet next year. However, is she certain that is really what she wants to do? Without wishing to sound rude, the calibre of teachers is actually quite high (contrary to what the Daily Fail would have us all believe) and if she's going to struggle through a teaching degree she might be quite miserable as a teacher.

However, many very bright people do not get good grades at A level (have just experienced same with DS) but excel at their degree. One of the brightest people I know just got a first in engineering despite not having a qualification to his name (not even a GCSE and basically no post primary education) There is supposed to be some quite strong correlation between A level results and degree results (as you'd expect really)

Having said that, if she is very keen and focussed, she should let nothing stop her, even the opinions of her teachers.

DownbytheRiverside Thu 29-Sep-11 01:00:46

'Without wishing to sound rude, the calibre of teachers is actually quite high'

smile

funnyperson Thu 29-Sep-11 06:03:12

dotty predictions are not everything. They are only predictions. With As at gcse and a reasonable PS and a reasonable reference explaining any mitigating factors, and reasonable AS grades (you don't mention those) your DC might get an offer. 

Putting in an application might motivate her to work steadily and sensibly, she needs to listen to her teachers and supplement her teaching at school with all the internet tutor2u and exam board practice opportunities and she might make her offer. Its her call really.

If the AS levels aren't up to scratch or would pull her A level grade down, she needs  to work steadily and retake the offending modules. Thats my twopence worth. Good luck.

ShoutyHamster Thu 29-Sep-11 06:16:36

How about she takes a year out after her A levels?

She's had a bit of a reality check with the predicted grades. That may up her actual results - it may not. If she waits to apply with KNOWN grades, this dilemma will disappear.

A year out could also be spent very productively on upping her CV for her delayed entry with a years' relevant work/volutary work.

At least she really will know where she stands with what institutions are within reach for her.

It's certainly a far more sensible approach than applying for unis who specify a higher set of predicted grades. She is really unlikely to get a place this way, and will just look as if she hasn't done her research. It won't be a case of them mulling over her application and looking at her statement and agonising over whether to take a punt on her - there will simply be other students who DO have the predicted grades who will quite rightly take the allocations ahead of her.

ShoutyHamster Thu 29-Sep-11 06:20:29

Sorry posted too soon - meant to add, she will be considered with lesser predicted grades only if the institutions she is interested in aren't particularly popular and likely t go into Clearing - it doesn't sound as if this is the case.

There is also OU in the future - other ways to the same goal as others have said.

Good luck with it all.

fraktious Thu 29-Sep-11 06:22:41

She may not always be in KS1 though. I have a lovely friend who did a BEd with QTS, graduated, got a job with Y1 and did swimmingly for 3 years, school had a big reshuffle and she's now teaching Y5, hates it and is really struggling to set extension work for her brightest pupils. The amount of work she has to put into planing, preparing and understanding now has practically doubled and she was very conscientious before (unlike yours truly sometimes).

Your DD needs to ask herself some hard questions. Will she cope with the work on the degree? Will she cope with teaching? Is it the time sick or is she struggling with work at Alevel standard? How would she feel about teaching Y6 as she might have to do? Is teaching in a school the only career she wants? Even if she doesn't want to be a nursery nurse what about nannying or governessing?

I hope she ca work this through but better do it sooner than later IYSWIM.

mnistooaddictive Thu 29-Sep-11 07:00:58

I think it is worth mentionIng that we have too many primary teachers. There are lots of good ones who can't get jobs. The number of trainees have been cut back which is why grades are higher.

ellisbell Thu 29-Sep-11 18:15:48

OP with predictions of 3 Cs she'd waste her time applying to a lot of universities, her application be weeded out rapidly. However you mention she had A grade GSCEs and major surgery - if she could take another year and get A or B grades at A level she could do that, she can be funded until 19. Or she can work really hard now, take a gap year and apply with known grades. If she has a job as a teaching assistant/ nanny or something in the gap year or resits to get higher grades so much the better.

She doesn't need to give up her dreams yet, but she will have to accept a slower route.

lovingthecoast Thu 29-Sep-11 18:31:03

I think she should take a gap year. See what she gets and have a think. If she does better, great, she can apply for the following year. If she ends up with CDD or similar then I'd say teaching wasn't for her.

I was a primary teacher. My Alevels are AAB and I have a 2:1 from a top university. I'm sorry to say but I can almost always pick out the colleagues who got poor Alevels. It doesn't sit well with me and very often their grammar and spelling would grate on me.

IMO, a Reception teacher should be just as capable of teaching top set Y6. Anything else is letting the profession down.

I hope she does well as these days, even if/when she graduates she could wait literally years to get a job. I know of quite a few highly qualified students who finished in June and have no job yet. I also know of one excellent student from the previous year who has spent the year supply teaching after hundreds of applications. Primary schools are finding themselves with hundreds of applications for each post.

CaptainBarnacles Thu 29-Sep-11 18:39:11

Excellent point about the job market.

Bearcat Fri 30-Sep-11 07:33:22

Dotty, why doesn't your daughter forget about applying for 2012 entry, work really,really hard in Yr13 to get her A level results to BBB or higher and then apply to the universities she really wants to go to.
In this gap year she could maybe even do some work experience in a school to enhance her application.

eatyourveg Fri 30-Sep-11 07:52:51

agree with Bearcat - though would also recommend your dd look at former teacher training colleges which have turned into unis rather than places which have always been unis. The ex colleges will have the pedagogy experience and often aren't the places wanting top grades. A lot of them are also well thought of within the profession.

Helo Fri 30-Sep-11 07:53:15

I am a primary school teacher and my A'Levels were similar (BCD) I did an English degree and then my PGCE, would she consider that, something in education or a national curriculum degree? She would need a 2.1 to do a PGCE though. Or she could consider going to a 'lesser' university to do the BA with QTS degree she cannot be picky with those predicted grades and I think you should be blunt with her about that.

I have a 2.1 degree and getting a job was fine for me last year so it does depend on where you live.

I think people are being very hard about her A'Levels, mine were rubbish because I was lazy in sixth form and I suspect if I had worked I would have been an A/B student. I am absolutely fine teaching older children, I currently teach Y1 but I also do 1:1 work with Y5 and run a Y6 G&T literacy group. My planning and assessment are thorough and I have never struggled with them because I got a D in A'Level biology!! Funnily enough I have moved on a bit in terms of knowledge since I got my A'Levels 10 years ago!

I will say that in some ways KS1 is quite academically demanding, knowing how to deliver the foundations of literacy and numeracy is quite hard I think, in some ways it is easier to build and extend on it with the older children.

snailoon Fri 30-Sep-11 07:58:13

She can also retake some exams in that gap year. My friend's son didn't get the grades he needed, took a year off, and brought one of his grades up from C to A* (100% in fact). He just started at his top choice University.

EvilTwins Fri 30-Sep-11 17:13:34

I've found this thread really interesting. The highest academic qualifications do not always mean that someone is a good teacher. I was talking to colleagues in the staffroom yesterday - I am Head of a Department that I do not have an A Level in (or a GCSE, for that matter) - Performing Arts. I did English and Theatre Studies for my degree, having got AAB for my A Levels. Not a huge leap, sure, but I was talking to the Head of the Business Faculty, who is an outstanding teacher (officially, as well as in my opinion!) but has a degree in Drama, which she got having failed to get A Levels good enough to get to the university she wanted, and did a foundation degree first. One of our very good Maths teachers did a History degree, but is a brilliant maths teacher. It doesn't necessarily follow that a great teacher has great A Level grades.

OP, I would encourage your daughter, if she was in the VI Form at my school (am Head of VI as well) to look at other universities, with lower entry requirements, but stick with the same subject. It will be her performance whilst training, rather than her A Level grades, which secure her a job.

I also find it quite sad that so many posters were so quick to say that she should give up all hope of going on to further education with the grades she's predicted to get.

Agree with evil and wonder how recently some of the posters have looked around uni's for primary teaching degree!
It is obviously important for her to get the best grades she can and maybe consider an extra year to bump grades up if possible.
She will be given a maths and English test prior to any uni offer.

All the uni's are looking for as much work experience in a variety of educational settings. She needs to be reading the TES and aware of how politics affects education. She needs to be able to speak up at the uni interview, usually in groups and show that she has a passion for education.

Some people seem to get a kick out of plain rudenessconfused I would say that dealing with parents could be a far greater part of the degree.

Ponders Fri 30-Sep-11 22:13:39

just had a look at requirements at Edge Hill (now university, but formerly teacher training college, & still specialist)

For "BA (Hons) Early Years Education with QTS*" they are looking for

"300 UCAS tariff points overall, to include grades BC or equivalent, plus GCSE Mathematics, English Language and Science at grade C or equivalent. Candidates are expected to have relevant experience in an early years setting or school or working with young children."

How many subjects is DD doing at A2, dotty? C at A2 is worth 80 points so 3 would only be 240, but if she's also doing General Studies & managed a C at that too she'd have 320 points

The same course at University of Cumbria in Lancaster (formerly St Martin's College) or Carlisle or Tower Hamlets only requires 240 points

Edge Hill
Cumbria

If being a KS1 teacher is what she really wants then she can, but she has to be realistic about where she can go to achieve it

lovingthecoast Fri 30-Sep-11 22:39:54

Maddie, I'm not sure what you mean by your first sentence?

I don't think I was rude, just honest. I suggested the OP's DD take a gap year and maybe re-take if that's what she wants.

I happen to think that academic rigour is very important as a teacher. I have taught both primary and secondary. I'm not sure how credible I would have been teaching English with a D at Alevel. I didn't see primary teaching as remotely 'cuddly' or less stringent. When I was teaching Shakespeare to my top set Y6s, it was important to them and I'm sure their parents that I had a firm grasp of what I was talking about. Also, how can you be expected to teach subordinate clauses when you have no idea what they are yourself?

Helo Fri 30-Sep-11 22:45:22

lovingthecoast

I have an English degree, it did not teach me what a subordinate clause was, in fact at no point in my education did anybody teach me that, I trained as a teacher and as part of my own professional development I made sure that I was up to date on grammar! I don't think a D in A'Level English or Cs at A'Level mean you cannot cope with teaching very bright 11 year olds!

rosy71 Fri 30-Sep-11 23:54:59

I'm quite shocked by some of the replies on this thread. Is CCC not considered good anymore? I had a quick look at Wolverhampton University's site - very well respected in the field of education - and they require 220 points for a BEd. I've no idea about points, but didn't someone say a C was 80 points? In that case, she'd be fine. It's also possible to do Early Childhood Studies, then a PGCE, which might be OK for early years teaching.

Fwiw, I have 3 Ds at A'level and a 2.2 and Im a primary shcool teacher. shock Dp has a 2.2 and has just started training.

rosy71 Fri 30-Sep-11 23:55:53

Whoops, obviously I mean I'm. blush

adamschic Sat 01-Oct-11 00:11:20

It seems to be getting more competative out there. As far as uni visits are concerned there are just as much interest this year as last year which might indicate that the fees haven't put students off.

Also A* to B grades are currency for the best uni's but I am suprised that CCC isn't good enough for teaching.

DownbytheRiverside Sat 01-Oct-11 00:13:00

I have found that you need both good grammar and spelling to cope as a teacher. Do you proof read your posts? It is advisable.

Loshad Sat 01-Oct-11 00:13:31

loving, but academic rigour doesn't always translate into A level results. FWIW the first time i sat my a levels I got DDE (sat a year early) I resat, got BBC, went to russell group uni, then did a PhD, worked as research fellow, published well over 30 papers as first author, plus books, plus chapters in books - think i could honestly say that was academic rigour, am now a secondary teacher.
It is rather a blinkered and narrow view anyway that only the most academic make the best teachers.
FWIW when i did teacher training my mentor was most worried that with my academic background i would struggle to get on the wavelength with lower sets! That would be the DDE then, or possible the PhD from a prestigious uni (turned down an offer from Cambridge) and the research papers hmm

rosy71 Sat 01-Oct-11 10:07:09

Where exactly does she want to go??? I've just looked at Reading University (much more prestigious university than Wolverhampton) and the offer was 180 points.

Hi loving, sorry i didn't mean you. I meant the posters who said, why even bother, and the I wouldn't want my child taught by someone who scraped in.

Good luck to your dd dotty

homeaway Mon 03-Oct-11 12:05:47

I am shocked at some of the really negative comments on here. Just because you dont get high A level grades it does not mean that you are not bright or can't go on to university. The Sunday times prints a guide to the top 100 universities and their admission criteria which might be useful. If she does an additional AS or A level in another subject which you could pay for privately , then she could get the points she needs to go. Spend some time with her on the UCAS site and help her look for a university that will suit her. Her personal statement is very important and she should see if she can get some teaching experience that she can put on there. I really hope that she gets into a great uni smile

Betelguese Sun 09-Oct-11 00:49:12

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sayithowitis Tue 11-Oct-11 23:41:11

Do you know what? some of the best teachers I know, are the ones who, according to some on here, 'scraped' into university. There is so much more to teaching than raw exam grades. And yes, I know that you need to get decent grades, but to claim that C is not acceptable? Really?

One of Dc1's most highly qualified teachers was a PHD in his subject. So, undoubtedly, a highly intelligent man. Could he teach that subject? could he hell! Most of the students in his A level set ended up having private tuition. And they were the only ones in the set who got anything like reasonable grades!

WRT your DD, do you think she would look at doing a foundation year? It is highly possible that she would get a place and then, providing she passes that, would automatically go forward onto the full degree course. I would also make sure that any university application includes info about the fact that she had major surgery in her AS year. presumably she missed some time and this could easily have impacted upon her predicted grades.

DC1 missed an enormous chunk of A2 year due to illness and therefore grades weren't exactly top drawer. But this was mentioned in personal statement, to explain discrepancy between GCSE grades and A2 grades. It was also confirmed by the school's reference. DC1 did a foundation year at first choice university, one which would not normally have considered them even for the foundation course! Was top achiever in the year, ended up with an average pass rate of 90%+ and is now on course for a really good degree in a subject which is recognised as one of the most difficult. ( Science) And wants to teach at primary level.

I wish your DD every success and would advise her to go for it!

PastGrace Wed 12-Oct-11 00:05:30

Helo I'm in my final year and went to Edge Hill for a primary PGCE open day - they don't require a 2:1. I specifically asked and they said that they consider all applications on individual merit, and a 2:2 might be enough depending on the rest of the application.

sqweegiebeckenheim Mon 17-Oct-11 01:00:42

limiting oneself to just KS1 is a bad idea - schools can and do pluck teachers and drop them into new classes year on year (4 years in Nursery, before being dropped into Y6!). Teachers often don't have the luxury of choosing the classes they want to teach.

Teaching has several work based/ non- uni routes - GTP (after a degree), and RTP (no degree). May also be worth considering for the down the line.

startail Mon 17-Oct-11 01:36:54

The world has gone mad, modern A'level grades are just nuts.
Mine are ABCD, the A was for biology which I did basically for fun. And actually ended up studying to PG level, but that's a long story. Very few people got As and Three bS got a friend to medical school

sashh Fri 11-Nov-11 08:12:57

Does she really want to be a teacher? If that is her ultimate aim then she is going to have to go to a uni that is not one of her preffered universities.

It really is a waste applying for a BBB course with CCC predictions, they will not look beyond the predicted grades.

There are other options such a degree followed by a PGCE or 'teach first'.

ellisbell Fri 11-Nov-11 08:41:27

dottyaboutstripes despite the fee increases applications don't seem to be massively down this year. They will be lower than last year but not necessarily at the universities your daughter is interested in. There is far more competition now than when I applied to university. So she has 2 clear choices - lower her sights and go to a university that will consider her or delay her application while working really hard to get her grades up. She can resit if necessary.

Teaching is about more than simply what grades you get or what degree you get but when applying for her first job those are the things she is likely to be judged on.

Pachelbel Mon 14-Nov-11 00:37:57

As a student currently studying for a BEd with QTS and specialising in Early Years and Key Stage One, I can certainly vouch for the fact that Primary Ed courses are very academic.
I may 'only' be teaching number bonds to ten etc, but the level that we are expected to work at as aspiring professionals is an awful lot higher.

As others have rightly said, competition to get a place is tough. There are 250 students on my course, however I know countless people who applied and didn't get an offer, even though a lot of them did in fact get the grades they needed. Many of them are now studying similar courses such as Education tuies, with a view to doing a PGCE or SCITT when they graduate.

I hate to say it, but if it really is unlikely that your DD will get the grades she needs, then it's extremely unlikely that she'll be offered a place on the course she wants.

Maybe look into applying for Early Childhood or Education Studies degrees which would be a stepping stone into a PGCE or similar route?

dottyaboutstripes Mon 17-Sep-12 14:19:05

I just thought I would update this old thread to say that we dropped our dd off at Roehampton yesterday, where she got a place through clearing to study Primary Education with QTS. She was also offered a place and several other interviews elsewhere through clearing....it seems that there were lots of places left after A Level results day.

So of course she realises she has to knuckle down to some really hard work...I'm so happy she's getting the chance of realising her dream

gingeroots Mon 17-Sep-12 19:07:30

That's fantastic news ,well done to your daughter and to you .

And thanks for update .

mumblechum1 Mon 17-Sep-12 19:11:37

Great news, Dotty, hope she enjoys it. So what did she get in the end?

jkklpu Mon 17-Sep-12 19:14:10

If she's dead set on this path, she could work her socks of this year, get the required grades and apply in Clearing or for the following year. Don't waste the applications.

Tressy Mon 17-Sep-12 19:21:08

OP's DD got a place this year. Congratulations to her.

A few of DD's friends got into their chosen uni's for teaching and other courses too, with grades below their offers this year.

Great update!

WofflingOn Mon 17-Sep-12 19:41:33

That's great news!
Did she better her teachers' predictions?
You were right in your OP though, the number of applicants has dropped significantly this year, freeing up spaces. So she was right not to give up, let's hope she enjoys the hard work ahead.

madwomanintheattic Mon 17-Sep-12 19:42:02

I bet Roehampton wasn't on the original list of places she wanted to go. grin

<disclaimer - I went to roehampton. before they kept changing the name. grin>

Hope she enjoys it x

dottyaboutstripes Tue 18-Sep-12 14:49:06

She got BCD in the end - she had worked hard and was hoping in fact for BBC, so she was disappointed, but after a stressful few days in clearing, it all seems to have worked out really well. She was reluctant to call Roehampton as she couldn't believe they would be interested with her grades but they were and offered her a place immediately after her interview....she hadn't been considering London originally as she wanted to be in the NW.
I have no idea how she will cope with the workload etc but I had a lovely phone call this morning from a very happy and excited fresher grin She is my PFB (of 6 lovely kids!) so we are all going to miss her like mad. I'm just made up for her!

mumblechum1 Tue 18-Sep-12 14:57:08

smile So glad it all worked out in the end Dotty

Well done to her dotty, my ds has just started primary qts with maths.

Hope she enjoys it and makes a great teacher.

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