Breadmaker or kitchenaid?

(49 Posts)
AbbyCat Thu 31-Jan-13 05:56:49

I ordered an andrew james bread maker and have had it 2 weeks. It's a bit disappointing because the loaves haven't been turning out perfect (top unbaked despite different settings). So I am going to return it. BUT i loved the convenience of chucking everything in.

Should I go for a panasonic bread maker? Or just get a kitchen aid and make bread in the oven? How difficult is it to do the latter? (I've never made bread except for these 2w with the bread maker). It's just me and toddler DS eating bread so I only want small quantities. But I do love seeded bread. (if those make a difference to what I should get)

bringonyourwreckingball Thu 31-Jan-13 06:14:40

I make bread loads since having my kitchenaid, miles better than a bread maker and you can use it for other things too.

AbbyCat Thu 31-Jan-13 06:22:32

How easy is it to make bread in a kitchen aid? How many extra steps are there? (complete novice here!)

MusicalEndorphins Thu 31-Jan-13 06:29:15

I'd get a kitchenaid mixer. My friend uses it all the time to mix dough for bread. She stopped using her bread maker as she prefers the shape of the bread in the oven and she can bake several loaves in the oven at once and freeze some.
You can use a mixer for lots of other things like cakes and frosting, whereas a breadmaker only makes dough.
And Kitchenaid mixers look great on the counter!
(I barely bake and I want one, when I have grandkids to bake with, that will be my excuse!)
I also loved the easiness of using a breadmaker, but this year have barely used it. Mine is a Black and Decker and I have had no problems with it.

bringonyourwreckingball Thu 31-Jan-13 06:29:55

Just chuck everything in with the dough hook on, let it mix for about 10 minutes, stick some clingfilm over the bowl and leave to rise in a warm place for a while then shape and bake. Dead easy. I've successfully made several types of bread, brioche, focaccia, flavoured breads, you name it.

Mix dough.

Leave to prove covered in a warm place for an hour until doubled in size.

'Knock back' by pushing all the air out.

Shape into required tin or shape on a baking tray.

Recover and leave to prove for 20minutes.


Those are the steps. I also would get a kitchenaid. So much more choice on what can be made.

If those steps seem too much for you, check out Dan Lepards bread recipes. They have a quicker knead technique.

MusicalEndorphins Thu 31-Jan-13 06:40:20

I have only made it with a breadmaker, but my freind makes it look easy like bringonyourwreckingball explains.
I googled some recipes, maybe you could give it a try.
Here is one that doesn't even need a mixer.
Here is one using a KA mixer.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 31-Jan-13 08:09:39

Don't spend hundreds on a Kitchen Aid just to make dough.... If you're only a small family you're not going to be making great quantities of cakes. I'd replace the breadmaker with a decent one.

SavoyCabbage Thu 31-Jan-13 08:13:07

The advantage of the bread maker is that you can do just the dough and then cook it in the oven or cook it in the bread maker. So you can put it on in the morning and come home to a complete loaf.

Also you don't have to wash the tin at all.

Trazzletoes Thu 31-Jan-13 08:13:15

I have a Kitchen Aid <boasts>. It is amazing. So SO much easier than kneading bread by hand (though obviously you get that with a bread maker too...).

If you bake cakes a Kitchen Aid is also great - even just for little fairy cakes but if you don't do much baking in general then it is a huge expense for not much use. Results are brill though.

I have a KA and a breadmaker. Have never used the KA for bread but if someone has a simple recipe that is in grammes or oz and not cups I'll give it a whirl. Whenever I try to convert from cups it always goes tits up! smile

I've got a K-Mix so a bit cheaper than a kitchenaid but still very pretty.

It makes amazing bread, I got the Paul Hollywood baking book for Christmas and have been making various breads almost daily since then. It really is a case of throw ingredients into bowl, turn on mixer, go make breakfast / tea then pop some cling over the bowl. Return a bit later, slap dough into shape you want, recover, leave for a bit then cook. Enjoy lovely fresh bread with lashings of butter!

What I like about my Panasonic breadmaker is that you can put it on overnight and wake up to effort-free fresh bread.

Trazzletoes Thu 31-Jan-13 08:49:40

Gwen you can get cup measures on Amazon. Converting them is impossible!

You can get cup measures from anywhere that sells kitchen stuff.

moonbells Thu 31-Jan-13 10:15:10

I always think that finding 'somewhere warm' that you can leave bread to prove is the difficult part. For this alone, a breadmaker wins. Eight years and counting for us, now. Several loaves a week. I once worked out that £100 on a breadmaker used twice a week for a year (ie roughly 100 loaves) plus 'normal' white loaf production cost of about 50-60p (if you use cheap Tesco flour!) is break-even. After that, costs plummet to just that 60p a loaf compared with £1.35 for a bought one.

Seeded bread - yum - my favourite! Panasonic does great seeded bread... shame my DS won't eat it!

AbbyCat Thu 31-Jan-13 10:20:24

Ok so question now is- should I get a kitcheaid (or similar) or perhaps stick to the breadmaker to knead the dough and then bake in oven since the breadmaker bake isn't great? Th breadmaker cost me £70, a lot less than a kitchenaid!

We don't make cake very often, but I may make more as the kids grow up. We do make pancakes every other weekend but I'm quite used to whisking this by hand and don't think this justifies a kitchenaid.

What else do you use yours for?

LifeofPo Thu 31-Jan-13 10:24:03

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Chopstheduck Thu 31-Jan-13 10:24:11

not read the whole thread, but I use my kitchenaid tons!

batter (toad, pancakes), cakes & icing, bread dough (loaves, naan, roti, pitta, focaccia), biscuits, mash potato, pasta, hollandaise sauce, mayonnaise,

I also have the mincer attachement and the sausage attachment.

I let the dough rise by sticking the bowl on a radiator!

Chopstheduck Thu 31-Jan-13 10:25:04

meringue, omelettes, whipping cream, french macarons, whoopie pies

mrspink27 Thu 31-Jan-13 10:28:07

KA all the way... much more versatile than a BM...

LifeofPo Thu 31-Jan-13 10:29:09

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Trazzletoes Thu 31-Jan-13 10:41:59

Ooh I never thought about using it for batter!

Why not use it for making omelettes? It's not hard to clean and you're getting your money's worth.

Chopstheduck Thu 31-Jan-13 10:50:40

because by the time I've washed up a whisk and bowl, I might as well wash up the KA, and with four kids, it can be up to 12 eggs.

LifeofPo Thu 31-Jan-13 10:58:24

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Chopstheduck Thu 31-Jan-13 11:00:04


CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 31-Jan-13 11:47:19

Kitchen Aids are £300-£400!! You have to make a lot of cakes to amortise that outlay. A Panasonic is more like £100-£150, browns the bread nicely all over, and at least you know you definitely will be eating bread

Have always been a fan of the Kenwood and recently replaced the old Chef with the new KMix model - not quite as pretty as the KA but still does the job.

For small amounts you can easily knock up the amounts by hand. But the machine just does more of the work for you - but a mixer can easily over work the mix.

Also have a bread maker and quite often use this to make the dough - just finished shaping a batch of rolls to go into the oven shortly!!

For bread quite often make the intial dough and then prove over night in a cool spot - it still rises, then in morning you can knock back, re-shape and place somewhere a bit warmer then bake and hey presto fresh bread for a Saturday or Sunday lunch treat!

Have also got the PH recipe book and working my way through the pages - many now have the sticky post it note on it - shows me what we've done and has a few srcribbles on any hints and tips.

Good luck - the homemade bread (even from a bread machine is so much better) - oh and our machine is an older Morphy Richards must have been less then £50 but still does the job. Picked up an almost identical model from Freecycle for DS - uses it (a bit ) when at Uni.

With the KA or KMix you could do loads of yummy other cakes and things. Have grinder attachment on the KMix and can do burgers / sausages and the like.

LifeofPo Thu 31-Jan-13 12:01:45

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QuickLookBusy Thu 31-Jan-13 12:02:07

I got a KA last year and have used it every other day to make bread. I'd never made it before and we are all very happy with the results. Also made lots of cakes, batter mixes, egg whites etc

DH and I are low carbing at the moment so I only need bread for Dd. I've bought a couple of small loaf tins, so make the usual amount, split into 2 loaf tins and I freeze one of them.

QuickLookBusy Thu 31-Jan-13 12:05:59

Yes agree with Nigella about the proving. You don't need to find a warm place unless you want to quicken the process. You can leave overnight or just for a few hours. Some chefs think the longer it takes to raise the better the taste.

AnnIonicIsoTronic Thu 31-Jan-13 12:08:09

I prefer my breadmaker.

For example, when I have people coming to dinner, I'll put the stuff in the bread maker in the morning & set a timer so it is baked just before my guests arrive. I even set the timer so it bakes while I'm out or asleep.

it might only take 'minutes' to shape/knock back/bake by hand - but they're the same minutes that I would otherwise be defusing a last minute argument, or doing a panicked clean up - so they're super precious minutes.

I always prefer gadgets that are tolerant to me not being 100% on top of timing. So my bread never burns due to a tantrum.

ivykaty44 Thu 31-Jan-13 12:09:53

I use a panasonic bread machine and it lives on the work top in the kitchen. When I make supper in the evening I will pop everything in the machine and set so I have bread at 6am the next morning, it takes me about 3 minutes to prepare and then I can forget about it.

i don't have a kitchen aid as they are very expensive and want to spend my money on other things - I have a hand held electric whisk for when I make cakes, I have to stand and hold the whisk and the bowl. They cost £20 from argo and the bread machine about £110

I use the bread machine 4-5 times a week and the whisk about 2 times a month when I make cakes, but not all my recipes need the whisk to be fair. I doubt I would stand and make bread 4-5 times a week with a KA

AnnIonicIsoTronic Thu 31-Jan-13 12:10:12

P.s. my Panasonic has been faultless on bake, easy to use, easy to clean.

AbbyCat Thu 31-Jan-13 15:51:31

Alright those lovely people at Andrew James have said it appears my read maker is faulty and are giving me a refund.

Thank you all so much for your opinions and advice so far. I am heading towards getting the kenwood kmix (also happens to be on offer at Costco at the moment) as its cheaper than a kitchenaid but seems to so the same. Before inactually head out and get one, can anyone advice how easy is it to make small quantities of bread with a food mixer?

I have a KA and my SIL has just bought a Kmix and she loves it. I just got the Costco leaflet through too smile

Naoko Thu 31-Jan-13 16:05:32

I would love a kitchenaid but I can't afford one, so I mix dough in my £25 breadmaker from Argos and bake it in the oven grin Perfect bread each time! It makes a tolerable loaf on the timer function as well, although not as good as when I finish it in the oven. Great for late night realisations that we're out of bread though, throw ingredients in, set timer, wake up to fresh bread for sandwiches at work.

Trazzletoes Fri 01-Feb-13 12:25:09

You've inspired me to pop a loaf in the bread maker! I've just realised that we only have salted butter in, though (bloody Anchor!) . Will my bread be ruined?!

bringmeroses Fri 01-Feb-13 12:41:55

I have a fantastic breadmaker, it uses Flora not butter and the bread is unbelievably delicious. I'd love a KA but not instead of breadmaker which is one stop shop, no washing, just pop in ingredients (takes 5 mins), wipe flour residue off counter, and 3 hrs later a loaf is ready. Cannot recommend highly enough.

bringmeroses Fri 01-Feb-13 12:45:24

I also have a £5 supermarket own brand hand mixer for cakes which is 8yo and brilliant, I use it for batter in a regular bowl, for mixing icing/buttercream in a smaller bowl, and it's even handled the very heavy nuts/eggs/fruit mix in Christmas cake without complaining.

I don't really understand the advantages of a KA apart from that it looks really lovely on the worktop.

ivykaty44 Fri 01-Feb-13 12:52:59

I don't use flora or butter, occasionally a little olive oil but usually none

bringmeroses Fri 01-Feb-13 12:59:22

Ivy so how does your bread have a springy/moist (not wet!) texture? I used olive oil once and the bread was more like ciabatta.

ivykaty44 Fri 01-Feb-13 13:19:08

No my bread isn't moist..?

bringmeroses Fri 01-Feb-13 13:22:30

Oh grin

Mine has a supermarkety 'springy' texture when freshly baked, it is almost too springy to cut. It dries out enough to cut perfectly really thinly on day 2 and is a bit dry on day 3 if there's any left by then; the birds don't mind it.

ivykaty44 Fri 01-Feb-13 15:16:41

grin sorry I am not wanting supermarket style bread with any type of spring texture, I like bread that is tight nit texture I guess with a firm exterior - something you can get your dentures into wink

I am not aware of the concept of three days old bread - there are 4 of, day one is fresh day 2 is toast, day three is looking at hungry birds....

bringmeroses Fri 01-Feb-13 15:22:59

Yup it is all of that but the Flora gives it the elasticity that for example a soft white supermarket loaf has, while retaining the density and flavour of home made with a nice crust. Honestly I heart my breadmaker, big time. I sometimes wonder if I could do it without the Flora, it would probably be healthier. Ahh your poor birds smile

I've always wanted to know how to make German style sourdough bread, the stuff with a really hard dark brown crust and airy ciabatta style centre that tastes sour? Is it rye flour? As there's clearly bready types on this thread, just thought I'd ask.

ivykaty44 Fri 01-Feb-13 22:49:11

Its ok really - next door through out there elastic supermarket bread for the birds to eat grin so don't feel to sorry for them

NickD76 Sat 06-Dec-14 08:05:29

Try the Easy bake bread recipe from the BBC Good food website Bringmeroses, the recipe shows a round loaf with a cross in the top, but I make mine in a tin loaf. It gives a great crust and moist ciabatta style centre. It does not taste sour, but it's awesome straight from the oven with butter and a bowl of Chilli or ragu

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