What can I feed DD (10 months old, vegetarian, avoiding cow's milk)

(137 Posts)
nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 12:10:13

please help smile

DD is quite happy to shovel food into her own mouth.

she's got eczema and although she hasn't been advised to avoid cow's milk, we figured it wouldn't hurt.

God, I miss milk chocolate. sad

she's still BF.

I'm rather stuck for food ideas, really. We made some goat's cheese biscuits and she likes cream crackers.
she doesn't seem to care much about toast, but anything biscuit textured she devours.
she likes broccoli and other veg - doesn't seem to care if it's cooked or not grin
she also loves apples. but doesn't like cooked courgettes.

I'm just running out of ideas, really. Because I work, we end up eating breakfast at the shop, and it seems to always be cream crackers (dry because she won't eat it with spread on it), and I'm worried she's not getting a proper balanced diet.

examples of typical days:
milk feed before waking, cream cracker for breakfast, apple mid morning, water, goat's cheese biscuit, goat's cheese on toast for lunch, then only milk till tea time. (she'll have carrot or broccoli as a snack too)
when she's hungry she'll choose milk first, but then she falls to sleep.
tea-time she'll have generally what we have, just small bits of it (last night it was pizza, about 2/3 slice in total, the other night it was a mild curry, so quite a few chunks of veg and potato)

what else could I think of for daytime?
tia smile

Karaokemamma Sat 13-Oct-12 12:48:35

Why no meat? What about risotto or pasta, Get the Annabel Carmel book some nice stuff in there.

How about provamel dairy free yoghurts?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sat 13-Oct-12 12:55:04

If you don't mind mess spaghetti is always fun. Pasta and tomato sauce. Houmous and dippy things.

PurplePidjin Sat 13-Oct-12 12:56:37

Breadsticks, rice cakes, weetabix (with rice or soy milk), dried apple/banana/mango...

bamboostalks Sat 13-Oct-12 12:59:41

I think you need to give her protein in the form of fish or meat tbh. Sorry if that is not helpful but I think her diet is not great. Disclaimer...my son has an appalling diet so it is a case of do as I say not do.

MamaGeekChic Sat 13-Oct-12 12:59:57

What about veg or banana muffins made with dairy substitute? soya yogurts? more fruit- banana, melon, blueberries, clementine segments, grapes (cut in half) were all popular with DD at that age, falafels, houmous, risotto, pasta,chunky soup, porridge or weetabix with soya/almond milk, omlette/frittata slices, lentil based dip/curry, scrambled egg with toast, baked beans, oatcakes.... loads of things! The dairy thing shouldn't be an issue as there are so many good substitues these days, I'm assuming the vegetarian thing is personal choice? not one I agree with for babies but that's not helpful

MamaGeekChic Sat 13-Oct-12 13:03:43

I'd definitely be swapping that cream cracker as of tomorrow, it's a ridiculous breakfast, there's nothing of any nutritional value in it and it's not a pleasant thing to eat on its own. Home made muffin or crumpet or oatcakes or porridge and banana/blueberries would be much better.

DameFannyGallopsAtaGhost Sat 13-Oct-12 13:07:53

One of the meals I used to give DDS at the same age was lentil Dahl, rice and spinach, which went down well and ticks all the boxes?

DameFannyGallopsAtaGhost Sat 13-Oct-12 13:12:14

Go easy on the soya - it can be a tricky protein and lead to future food intolerance. Especially avoid the really processed ones.

colditz Sat 13-Oct-12 13:15:47

Omelettes, baked beans, peas, cauliflower, butternut squash, pasta .... There's loads she can eat.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 13:56:53

bamboo - thanks, you're right, it wasn't helpful wink

she's veggie because i'm veggie.
I think it's morally wrong to eat meat (well, it's the killing that is morally wrong), and I won't feed my child something that I'm morally objected to.
smile

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 13:59:29

Mama - i know, that's why I asked.
It was easier to give her those than plonk uneaten toast in front of her!

In the past week or so, she's been more interested in eating, so it's now time that I can't just fob her off with milk and have to start thinking about food.

It then occurred to me that I had no clue what to give her in the early part of the day! no use giving her cereal, because she sits there with her mouth open expecting me to feed it into her, and I don't have time to do that (because I usually have customers)
she is never unsupervised, but has to help herself.

Pancakeflipper Sat 13-Oct-12 14:01:13

Make little casseroles of broccoli, cauliflower, carrot and parsnips, peas etc... and decent veg stock. My DS2 loves these.

You can add lentils into some of them for variety. I would go for pitta bread instead of crackers and hummus as they are tasty.

There's lots of good ideas on here.

Would you consider fish for your child? Just for the oils etc fish has?

Pancakeflipper Sat 13-Oct-12 14:02:44

I don't mean pitta bread for breakfast - I didn't realise crackers were served for breakfast.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 14:04:26

good idea, pitta bread.

I was worried about shop-bought foods because of the salt content, but i suppose there can't be too much in there, can there?

omelettes are good - i can put loads of veg in there, and pancakes?

Drladybird Sat 13-Oct-12 14:10:21

Great that your little one is veggie. I am bringing up my daughter as vegetarian and couldn't find easily accessible nutritional info for children so started a blog to store all the info I found and put up my recipes too. You might find it helpful:
broccoliandricecakes.wordpress.com/

When my daughter was young (she is now 18m), I used to give her oats soaked with a fruit compote for breakfast (making it the night before). It is quite sticky so she could probably eat it with her hands?

happierhigherstrongerwheezing Sat 13-Oct-12 14:11:42

My ds this week ate a quorn sausage, the new ones.

Make her quorn bolonaise? My ds doesn't notice.

Pancakes with stewed apples

Have you tried to find orzo,nigella cooked with it this week.

Tomato soup with bread fingers

I tried to make once sweet potato with pork, but you could substitute he pork bit!

I'm a veggie but children are not

Handsfulloffun Sat 13-Oct-12 14:11:48

What about mini shredded wheat / wheatabix, we used to pop them in the microwave for a few mins with a bit of milk ( could you use soya or goats milk ?) then drain milk off and just eat like a finger food.

Pancakeflipper Sat 13-Oct-12 14:11:50

There can be loads of salt in some products. Do check.

What milk are using to cook with? I only ask out of nosiness as I have a 4 yr old dairy-free kid. I found that tricky at first.
And there's some ok dairy-free chocolate ( for you to eat whilst breast-feeding). In fact those very sickly sweet Fry's chocolate bars don't have milk in them ( the ones with fondant fillings).

I used to make up a frittata in the evening, then cut it into finger sized bites. You can add all sorts of veg to it. Or make some mini pancakes with mashed banana/grated apple/ in them - they can be batch made and frozen with a sheet of parchment between them and defrosted as needed. You can also make porridge very thick then leave it to set in a baking tray, slice into fingers for self feeding.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 14:12:52

it's okay, I don't mind what order food is served in! yesterday, I had soup and baguette for breakfast! (DD enjoyed eating the soup-soaked bread grin )

happierhigherstrongerwheezing Sat 13-Oct-12 14:12:55

Nigel slather last night Made a frittata , which you could put veggies in and slice into fingers

Drladybird Sat 13-Oct-12 14:13:02

P.s Your child is getting brilliant nutrition through your breastmilk. Up until one year, solid food is mainly complementary to the nutrition that they get from milk (whether breast or bottle).

PeachTown Sat 13-Oct-12 14:14:59

You say keeping her off dairy - even though it's not likely it's causing the eczema - won't hurt but it's clearly causing you big problems.

You're struggling to give her a balanced diet because it's pretty much vegan. She's only little and needs lots of fat and calcium. I have no problem with a vegetarian diet btw and I hope I don't sound like I'm telling you off.

Please either get her properly diagnosed if you suspect a milk allergy or reconsider this restrictive diet.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 14:16:10

I've bookmarked that blog, Dr
yes, it is hard, all of the recipes seem to involve meat.
oh, i love the idea of soaking oats with fruit compote! like an uncooked flapjack!

we were given a box of shredded wheat, but it was the honey and nut one. I didn't like it (cardboard) but gave DD a couple of mouthfuls (nuts had soaked off in the goat's milk), then realised that not only was it nuts, but it was honey, and so I shouldn't even be giving it to her with the nuts soaked off. shame because she rather liked it.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 14:16:44

pancake - we're using goat's milk

DameFannyGallopsAtaGhost Sat 13-Oct-12 14:25:24

Re honey, I don't think the danger of botulism applies when its a product processed at a high temperature as the cornflakes will have been. But I wouldn't give a baby that much sugar anyway.

Don't worry too much about the nutrition side of things for now - while you're bf ing and she's under 1 all you need to do is give her lots of tastes and textures.

But do please avoid as much synthetic food analog as you can - and I'm including most cereals in that - she doesn't need sugar and salt, and the amount if processing that goes into a soya yoghurt isn't going to do her taste responses any good.

Just relax and give her real food.

Pancakeflipper Sat 13-Oct-12 14:25:56

We cannot use that. I cannot remember if it's got milk protein or lactose in but anyway that's my issue not yours! Has it made the eczema better for your baby? And if they can have goats cheese that's an added bonus.

You can get some milks like oat milk fortified with calcium. And Dr's can prescribe a calcium supplement if they feel it is necessary.

I would keep asking them about re-introducing dairy. There is a lot of different theories about reintroducing it ( you should gently do they get used to it in their system to the keep them off it until about 3 yrs old - it's trail and error ).

Ooh you can eat After Eight Mints - no milk in them....

cakeandcava Sat 13-Oct-12 14:27:53

Agree with PeachTown -you need to get her checked out to see if cow's milk really is a problem, and you need to seriously reconsider her diet -she has far too little protein and fat with what you've described above.

I don't think it's a problem to bring children up as vegetarians (vegans is another matter), but it is more difficult, and requires more planning and nutritional knowledge.

Dark leafy greens, beans and pulses would be good to feed her if she'll have them. Green beans dipped in hummus maybe?

Startailoforangeandgold Sat 13-Oct-12 14:36:02

Do you have to avoid nuts, DD1 would happily scoff mushroom nut roast from about 7 months.

AndMiffyWentToSleep Sat 13-Oct-12 14:41:47

Porridge fingers (using non-cow's milk) are great for breakfast.
And I second mini shredded wheat and weetabix as other good breakfast finger foods.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 14:48:18

Peach - i don't think i'm struggling to give her a balanced diet because there's not the food available, but because I'm not using my imagination.
I have been a veggie for many many years, and a lot of my diet seems to be milk based - but that's not unusual anyway, I was watching TV last night and in one commercial break all of the adverts were for milk based products- milk, cereal, yoghurt, cheese and chocolate.

she can eat goat's milk and sheeps milk and probably buffalo milk, so lots of cheese options there, but we have to be careful for milk hidden in things (like some breaded products have milk in)

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 14:51:00

Not sure if it's made any difference.

I know that pizza i had last night was cow's milk (I thought it was worth trying it to see if it made a difference because it's been about 2 weeks since the last time cow's milk passed our lips) and she was itching and rubbing all night long, even after the anti-histamine, so it's possible it's related, but it might just have been an itchy night. confused

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 14:53:03

cake - she does have vitalite, and is currently eating toast with goat's cheese on it.
we also give her egg, and she has eaten home-made cheese things with fat in

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 14:54:10

mushroom nut roast sounds good. smile

i like the idea of dipping green beans into hummous - she does seem to like hummous (but usually just dips her entire hand into it and licks it off grin )

Curtsey Sat 13-Oct-12 15:02:44

A lovely puree is potato, peas and cooked apple, with a little olive oil. Serve as a dip with pitta bread. (I add some cheddar usually but don't think it would be as nice with goats' cheese.)

Omelette with tomato and goats' cheese - DD aged 9 months would eat this all day.

Red lentil stew.

Banana and avocado on toast- great lunch or breakfast for you both, and loads of fat.

French toast with cinnamon and stewed berries.

AndMiffyWentToSleep Sat 13-Oct-12 15:05:02

Also I'd keep offering foods you think she doesn't like - she's quite young to have strong food preferences and the more often she tries something the more likely she'll like it - obviously just small tastes of what you're eating rather than buying and cooking courgettes or whatever just for her

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 15:09:09

yes, i see. the courgette thing is because when they're cooked it only seems to be the skin left! (which she usually gets rid of) - so she sucks it then chucks the skin away.
she will eat the courgette raw.

lovely ideas cutesy

we've just got to batch cook lots of things that I can throw in the freezer and defrost when we need it. we put a freezer in the shop for this purpose hmm and it's just full of raw frozen veg and suckers.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 15:09:27

curtsey not cutsey blush

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 15:10:34

I like the idea of dried banana - she seemed to like banana, but after discovering that the bloody stuff stains her clothes black (even after 2 boil washes), I'm reluctant to let her have it again hmm

JimbosJetSet Sat 13-Oct-12 15:20:42

I saw some Cheerio type cereal in Sainsburys last week, made by Ella's kitchen I think - horribly expensive for the amount you get in the packet but I did think it looked like perfect cereal for BLW...

forevergreek Sat 13-Oct-12 15:37:05

Spanish omelette ( can be made and sliced and you can both have over a few days)
Avocado sliced
Banana
I make carrot and courgette muffins which go down well, and spinach and cheese scones ( you can make and freeze)

Porridge fingers
Variety of fruit

forevergreek Sat 13-Oct-12 15:41:53

Also for lunch prob little ones here love houmous, spinach and grated carrot in pitta bread ( maybe in a few months with more teeth!)

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 15:45:57

thank you smile

all noted.

she has no problems biting and chewing! and she's got 8 teeth already grin

multipoodles Sat 13-Oct-12 15:56:54

I would recommend you join a vegan forum where there is lots of advice about rearing vegan children. Vegans rear healthy children regardless of what others may think, it is a much healthier lifestyle than overloading children with an excess of animal protein and fats.

Have a look here

www.veganforum.com/forums/content.php?119-vegan-children

www.veganforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?40-Parents-and-children

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upinthehills Sat 13-Oct-12 16:01:01

Personally if mine were vegi, and there is no diagnosed allergy or intolerance to dairy, I would introduce milk as it is a major hassle not to be able to eat dairy. Smother her in Aveeno cream every night as maintenance and see how you go! Mine had facial eczema and it would never have occurred to me to drop dairy. Aveeno and getting older sorted out the eczema.

One of my DC favourite dishes was coconut lentil curry - onion, garlic, ginger, red lentils, gara masala, carrots, sweet potatoes, salt free stock and coconut milk - served on rice.

Houmus sandwiches, rice cakes, oatcakes and cashew nut/ peanut butter all well liked.

I too feel you need to up the protein and filling carbs like pasta.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 16:07:32

thank you poodle i've bookmarked those too.

hills - i know, but it's this niggling paranoia, you know! i think it comes about because i have a very good friend who is CMP intolerant and so it was the first thing that came to mind.

lurcherlover Sat 13-Oct-12 16:08:02

It's a little bit pointless being veggie for moral grounds and then drinking milk really...what happens to the male calves? Or the cows for that matter, when their yield drops? They go exactly the same way as the beef cows do (who live much nicer lives, by the way). You might as well buy organically reared, ethically sourced meat, for your child at least.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 16:24:28

thanks lurcher - again not helpful, but I do appreciate your input.

I'm just looking for ideas on how to feed my DD, not advice on how evil I am still to eat dairy and eggs.
even worse, i keep chickens at home, and i know what happens to baby boy chicks.

hugandroll Sat 13-Oct-12 16:24:39

lurcher my mum drives me mad with that. She's vegetarian (although always cooked meat for me) but wears leather shoes. I just don't really understand vegetarianism tbh, why not eat something our bodies are made to eat (why we have canines), wouldn't catch a lion nibbling on a leaf.

But then it's not my business. My mum doesn't drink milk because she doesn't like it but does have cheese (not vegetarian btw....). I would give your baby milk unless you are told by a doctor to do otherwise. Ds1 gets eczema and is flaring up at the moment because of the change in season, happens every year. The backs of his legs are red raw and we are going to the dr to get cream but I'm not guessing at what he needs and cutting random things out of his diet "just in case".

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 16:25:07

and i do eat ethically reared and sourced dairy products and eggs.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 16:27:58

i'm not randomly doing that. the doctor said it wouldn't harm to try it, but we didn't need to.
you know what it's like to havea child who is ripping their own skin off, so try anything. and to me it makes sense to cut out milk prodced for a foreign species <says she who's still giving goat's milk blush>

lurcherlover Sat 13-Oct-12 16:30:08

I don't think you're evil. I eat meat myself. I used to be veggie and stopped when I thought through it all and realised animals still die in the dairy and egg industry. It's good that you eat ethically sourced dairy, but that doesn't spare the cows from their eventual destination to the abattoir and meat pies, or the male calves from becoming veal. And even if you don't want to eat meat yourself, it is a useful and nutritious food for children - a spag bol once a week would give your daughter lots of iron and most babies love it.

Nickel - We have started used Udos oil on DD's lunches to help her skin atm, it is very itchy and sore, I add a little to hummus, toss her cooked pasta in it etc. It seems to have made a real difference to her skin.

Would you let her have fish at all? Both DDs will eat tuna mayo in pitta or with crackers, together with a bit of avocado and a banana it apparently (according to the dietician) provides one of the most nutritionally complete meals around.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 16:36:46

okay.
i still don't want to give meat to DD.
i'm not going to be persuaded just because i'm not vegan.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 16:37:43

thanks blueberry
no, not fish either. but avocado and banana in pitta sounds good.

Nickel - there is no need to feed DD meat if that is against your principles, there are plenty of healthy alternatives.

My girls also like wraps with goats cheese in the middle and rolled, then cut into snail slices. Veggie scotch eggs are handy too.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sat 13-Oct-12 16:52:38

How about making some seitan, it's very very easy and I still high in protein. I've only ever made sausages but they were ace :-)

www.theppk.com/2012/01/vegan_sausage/

Plus, enough of the veggie/vegan bashing - IF you are sensible and informed, it is a perfectly healthy diet, even for infants.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 17:00:15

hmmmm, that looks interesting.

thank you blueberry and Fine smile

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 17:03:05

that's the thing, i can manage my own diet and have done almost vegan before.
but i can also handle a spoon and a bowl and don't drop food and then crawl over it grin
that's really why i need ideas smile

forevergreek Sat 13-Oct-12 17:07:13

Have you tried tofu? We aren't veggie but the boys love it with noddles and veggies

Like I say we aren't on any restrictive diet but if I thought something was causing my child pain or discomfort I would also stop using those products. Maybe check out some o the vegan forums as recommended.

Also look out for high protein/ irons/ fat good food that she can eat ( many green veg are high , as are seeds/ nuts/ legumes etc..)

hugandroll Sat 13-Oct-12 17:11:51

Sorry, it looked like from your OP you decided to cut out cows milk, not your doctor advised it. I would still ask for proper testing because the weather has a lot to play in it. Childhood eczema is also really common (however that doesn't make it any less horrible).

My thoughts aside because again, its none of my business, I'd make sure you serve up lots of pulses for protein, green veg for iron and plenty of goats milk for calcium. The issue isn't now while she's mainly breastfed, it will be when she's over one and should have mainly food providing her nutrition.

Have you asked your gp/hv their advice?

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 17:12:17

i don't normally eat tofu and other fake meat, but it wouldn't harm to give some to DD.
not quorn though, i know that it's so similar in texture to meat, someone unscrupulous might try to pull one on her.

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 17:14:46

hug - the dermatologist said that it's unlikely to be diet, but that it wouldn't harm, and if we did it, that we could then reintroduce it once the eczema was under control to see if there was any reaction.
(ie, he didn't suggest it, but when i asked him, he said...)

he also said there's not much point testing below 2yo because skin prick tests are usually unreliable under that age.

hugandroll Sat 13-Oct-12 17:15:05

Re-read your op, you state you haven't been advised to cut it out so why have you? It could be dust, the weather, other allergy etc. I'm going to hide this thread as it seems to me you wanted to be told what your feeding your child is fine and if you think that why bother asking?

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 17:15:26

yes, i thought it best to try to get into "good habits" while it doesn't matter so much smile

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 17:17:33

no, no, i don't want to be told i'm doing it right, i want ideas for quick/easy/nutritious food that can be prepared at home and fed here - that's why the default is constantly toast, crackers or apples, because i can grab them from the fridge/toaster and feed them straight to her.

i just didn't want to miss any of the "dietary restrictions" because i didn't want lots of suggestion of chicken/cheese/etc. smile

nickeldaisical Sat 13-Oct-12 17:18:27

didn't want to drip feed wink

just ideas and recipes .

bigkidsdidit Sat 13-Oct-12 17:23:40

Was going to say sliced avocado and banana, and DS ADORES banana and avocado mash sandwiches. You could do those for breakfast, loads of protein?

Second frittata, Spanish omelette, goats cheese biscuits.

Since he was weaned DS has loved lentil and sweet potato stew, I throw any other veg we have into it and slightly mash it do the lentils and potato blend, he adores it

You need some more protein, so peanut butter on toast or nut roasts? Little egg mayo finger sandwiches?

Brangelina Sat 13-Oct-12 17:26:32

Nut butters are very handy, full of fat and protein. in the mornings and for snacks can be eaten on bread/toast or as a dip with sticks of cucumber or grissini. Hoummous is also a perfect food, loads of protein, fat and calcium - you can vary the pulses and add herbs, eg. Hugh whatsisname makes a cannellini bean one with thyme. Tahini on its own or in a dip with olive oil and lemon juice is an excellent non dairy source of calcium. I second the strips of omelette, but you can also make dosas (pancakes made with chick pea flour) which are high protein, full of iron and vegan. Your baby doesn't really need cow's milk, she has your milk which is far better and contains more minerals which will more readily absorbed by her.

NettoSpookerstar Sat 13-Oct-12 17:35:06

Tofu isn't fake meat.
I'd never eat fake meat, have no need to as I'm omnivore and often cook non veggie tofu dishes!
It's great in it's own right and worth a try.

PeachTown Sat 13-Oct-12 19:04:26

I forgot to say earlier OP, I suffer from eczema and DS had a few patches before he was one. I find Aveeno much better than emollients - just the normal stuff you find in Boots. I use the 'skin relief' one with the dark blue cap. It's suitable for babies so might be worth a try.

nextphase Sat 13-Oct-12 19:27:55

Another suggestion of mashing together banana and avocado.
You've had oats soaked in fruit purée suggested, we made up porridge with water, and then added fruit puree or raisins.

Eggs - omelettes, as above, with various fillings inc potatoes, eggy bread, egg fried rice.

We also varied the bread - crumpets are popular here.

Mixed bean casserole is always a success.

home made baked beans

We were dairy free for a bit, and it was suggested by the dietician we used calcium fortified oat milk (Oatly). I made up 'milky' puddings with this - rice pudding, jelly made with milk (think most jellys are veggie these days, sorry if thats not appropriate), and self saucing chocolate pudding

Would you consider adding sustainably sourced fish for fats and proteins for a few months?

Curtsey Sat 13-Oct-12 19:32:58

Yes, you do need to batch cook for the freezer. It's such a lifesaver. The lentil stews freeze beautifully, as do tomato-based sauces (just don't freeze the pasta). Breast milk storage bags are really handy for portions.

Your DD sounds like she loves finger food though. Salad of baby potatoes, hard boiled egg, feta and spinach? Tossed with olive oil and lemon? Store in a lunchbox for two days' worth. Lots of iron and protein.

Full-fat coconut milk banana and cocoa powder milk shakes? You don't need to add sugar, just let the bananas get really brown.

Food prices are going up and food shortages are on the way. It's a very good idea to have several go-to balanced vegetarian meals for children in your repetoire whether you eat meat or not. (I do for the record!)

Curtsey Sat 13-Oct-12 19:33:32

Yes, you do need to batch cook for the freezer. It's such a lifesaver. The lentil stews freeze beautifully, as do tomato-based sauces (just don't freeze the pasta). Breast milk storage bags are really handy for portions.

Your DD sounds like she loves finger food though. Salad of baby potatoes, hard boiled egg, feta and spinach? Tossed with olive oil and lemon? Store in a lunchbox for two days' worth. Lots of iron and protein.

Full-fat coconut milk banana and cocoa powder milk shakes? You don't need to add sugar, just let the bananas get really brown.

Food prices are going up and food shortages are on the way. It's a very good idea to have several go-to balanced vegetarian meals for children in your repetoire whether you eat meat or not. (I do for the record!)

bigkidsdidit Sat 13-Oct-12 19:47:33

Totally agree

We do eat meat but for weight reasons have started limiting it to twice a week and I am really enjoying it. I keep pasta sauces, mashed potatoes, lentil stews etx in silver foil trays in the freezer and life is easy when we get home from work.

Also my DS likes hard boiled eggs which might be an option

smile

bigkidsdidit Sat 13-Oct-12 19:48:18

Totally agree

We do eat meat but for weight reasons have started limiting it to twice a week and I am really enjoying it, as well as our food bill being about £20 a week cheaper now shock. I keep pasta sauces, mashed potatoes, lentil stews etx in silver foil trays in the freezer and life is easy when we get home from work.

Also my DS likes hard boiled eggs which might be an option

smile

bessie26 Sun 14-Oct-12 10:39:08

Sorry, haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if I'm repeating what someone else has said!

You said she likes finger foods, so how about falafel? (My two love them served with avocado & pitta bread) or veggie burgers? Lentils are a great way to get protein - I've got a pot of veg & lentil soup on the hob right now & will serve with some wholemeal bread. Dishes like chili & spag Bol are great too, you don't have to use meat substitutes in them, just beans, lentils & veg. Serve with some brown rice & you're getting complete protein in one meal.

I've been writing down everything we eat for over a year now (DD2 is 1.5) - if you pm me, I can send you the link to my blog and you can have a nose at my meal plan for 2012!

LilQueenie Sun 14-Oct-12 10:51:49

nothing wrong with being veggie. My DD is now 15 months and never touched meat. Got little help from an eczema specialist so like you I cut out milk for a bit and other stuff without their help. guess what? I found my way worked!

Could you try a little rice milk with added calcium? or coconut water (not milk). Pasta with tomato sauce can be great for hiding veg that would otherwise not be eaten. Broccoli with cheese on it, humous, a little marmite for vitamin B12. A little quorn wouldnt hurt tbh. If you are worried someone may go against your wishes and feed your child meat then I would advise not to leave them with that person! I would go nuts.

nickeldaisical Mon 15-Oct-12 11:37:20

Thank you for all your ideasa. smile

I haven't read the weekend's posts yet, but I just wanted to say (before I do) that we batch-cooked spinach cheese muffins and courgette & carrot muffins. DD devoured one of each and we've frozen the rest.

She's currently hunkering down on breakfast muffin with avocado/banana mush on it, and seems to be loving it.

so thank you smile thanks and i'll read the rest of the posts now.

nickeldaisical Mon 15-Oct-12 12:41:42

PeachTown we're currently on Aveeno (the beige one) by prescription but we also have to use a steroid to keep it under control (we're down to 1 day in 6 now!)

StrangeGlue Mon 15-Oct-12 12:48:18

Milk is not always linked to skin complaints and I wouldn't be cutting out whole swaves of food on a hunch.

But to your question

Breakfast: cereal with water/expressed milk/ goat milk based formula or toast with butter/marg/fruit puree/soft cheese then yoghurt and fruit

Lunch/dinner: baked beans, Dahl, pasta and sauce, sandwiches with advocado/banana etc we give DD what we had for dinner the night before for her lunch.

I would speak to a dietician for advice on protein and this milk thing as it's very limiting and you might need to put in a lot more effort than lazy people like me to making sure she has a balanced diet.

nickeldaisical Mon 15-Oct-12 12:48:18

Netto - yes, you're right.
I don't like the texture, so I lump them all together

I'm more concerned about you saying that she can't have cereal for breakfast because you can't feed it to her because you have customers. sad

My DS is now 3 and still, on occasion, asks me to feed him and I have no problem doing so. your little girl really shouldn't be limited to just foods that she can stuff into her mouth, such as muffins, because you're working over breakfast. Can you get her up any earlier so she can have some food with you where you can feed her, before customers arrive?

nickeldaisical Mon 15-Oct-12 12:57:39

we tried to find the oat milk in sainsbury's but they didn't have it.
have other supermarkets to try, but will also look at holland and barrett smile

yes, she does like hard boiled egg smile

falafel is a good idea, too. that should be easy to make (i hope!) and i can use that hot in dinners as burgers. I will PM you about your blog, thank you smile

LilQueenie - i do worry about people. i don't think anyone would do it on purpose, but i know a few people who can't understand. I do try to tell them not to give DD anything, but when they see other people (who are allowed) giving her food, they don't understand that they can't (learning difficulties, not NT - people at church. Lovely people, but hard to explain things to)
And sweets will be tricky, too, as she gets older.

StrangeGlue - thank you - i know i'm making it hard for myself, but it's more the laziness than anything - this is good because it stops us from automatically giving her ready-food that might have too much salt!

nickeldaisical Mon 15-Oct-12 13:02:42

Fire - I really don't want to spoon feed her. the customer thing was a red herring, really blush

golemmings Mon 15-Oct-12 16:41:41

Dairy and soy intolerant 12mo here. Um veggie, he isn't but eats a lot of veggie food.
We were advised:
Oatmilk ok for cooking now, as a drink from 12mo.
Don't use rice milk under 3.
Almonds have loads of calcium so we use them in weetabix.
Nut butters are great.
Figs are good.
DS loves quorn scotch eggs. I know you say you don't want to use quorn Incase people deceive your dd but at 10mo I think the lack of protein in her diet is more a risk than others trying to sneak meat into her.
And tidy sausage type things make fabulous finger foods.

LilQueenie Mon 15-Oct-12 23:04:57

I second the quorn eggs DD loves them

Kbear Mon 15-Oct-12 23:13:03

Read most of this thread and my tip re the exzema is cut out bananas from her diet for a month and see if it improves.

My DS's face was literally peeling off with exzema when he was about 10 months old, his lips would crack and bleed, his cheeks were rough and peeling.

I cut out bananas (read it on the net somewhere) and his life was transformed. Honestly, within a month his facial skin was healed.

I hope it helps.

LilQueenie Tue 16-Oct-12 00:00:59

strawberries are a problem area for us too. Just the juice of one leaves a visible red area for hours and its not staining either.

nickeldaisical Tue 16-Oct-12 12:41:45

I think DD is okay with strawbs.

they're out of season now, so it doesn't matter, but she had some at the end of the season and didn't seem to react.

golemmings - thank you for the rice milk thing, I didn't know that. Is rice as a food okay, though?

Kbear - she hasn't had banana for a very long time (apart from a bit in with that avocado yesterday) - we had given her some before, but it got all over my favourite babygrow and stained it black, so I was reluctant to give it her again until she could it it without squishing it everywhere.

nickeldaisical Tue 16-Oct-12 16:56:22

today, we've had (with BF inbetween)

pancake with houmous
carrot and courgette muffin
apple
slice of avocado
cheese sandwich
roast veg

does that sound balanced?

I think you could do with a little more protein in there but otherwise great. Buckwheat is a good source of protein, I buy buckwheat flour and mix it half nad half with wheat flour.

nickeldaisical Tue 16-Oct-12 17:26:20

thank you.
the muffin had egg and goat's cheese in it.
I need to add pulses as well, don't I?

I'll put Buckwheat on the list (do I use it like normal flour?)

Yes, just like normal flour, just rest your batter a bit before cooking as it absorbs the liquid a bit slower.

You probably do need pulses - you can add cooked red or yellow lentils (my girls love dhal) to pancake batter too to make little dhal pancakes, serve with goats yogurt to dip.

or make dhal and use buckwheat pancakes to dip in it.

forevergreek Tue 16-Oct-12 18:01:32

A mixed bean salad goes down well here. We usually add Tina but you can leave out.

Mixed beans
Grated carrot
Grated/ chopped cumcumber
Chopped pepper
Sweet corn

Or any random things in the fridge that go with it!

forevergreek Tue 16-Oct-12 18:01:56

*tuna!

Sweetcorn fritters are lovely and can be frozen individually so just take one out when ready for it and 10secs in microwave to defrost. It's an annabel karmel recipe but don't let that put you off!

30g flour, 1 egg, 1 tin of sweetcorn (200g), 2 spring onions. Whizz everything in blender, fry a spoon full in a little oil for 1 min each side. Makes 15 little pancake/fritters.

Careful, they're moorish, you may need to double up the quantities smile

Ooops think that should be moreish blush

nickeldaisical Tue 16-Oct-12 22:07:18

i was going to say, poor tina ! grin
i love the idea if adding lentils and sweetcorn to pancake batter and using buck wheat flour with normal flour too.

JollyJackOLantern Tue 16-Oct-12 22:12:12

I haven't read the whole thread, but do you have longsleeved bibs? We got some of these from amazon. Gets out of the banana on clothes issue smile

Also, have you asked on the Baby led weaning forums? They have a huuuge list of recipes and I'm sure there must be other veggie, milk free children smile

nickeldaisical Tue 16-Oct-12 22:15:07

bloody autocorrect, eh!
dh has made sweetcorn fritters before. so that's also good.

we have just eaten a homemade soup.
we used pumpkin as the base and added potato, pine nuts, onion, red kidney beans, lentils , carrots, marmite and assorted spices (instead of using shop-bought stock)
whizzed it up in the blender and served with bread and butter
dd really lapped it up- i did use a spoon, but she also grabbed it and was sucking it to death! i kept loading it for her and also dipped some of the bread. she ate quite a bit of that and we've frozen loads.
all ideas of protein etc from here. smile

JollyJackOLantern Tue 16-Oct-12 22:16:57

Oh, and DS was managing a spoon fairly confidently about 12 or 13 months so there's not long to go before she'll have it sussed.

nickeldaisical Tue 16-Oct-12 22:18:18

we didn't have any when the banana incident occurred but we do now grin

thanks will look at blw forums- didn't expect to be lost for ideas but it's the non-dairy protein thing that threw me!

nickeldaisical Tue 16-Oct-12 22:20:25

she made me laugh cos she grabbed it and started eating from it- hit and miss because it was upside down and then handle end in! but she managed okay with a bit of guidance! grin

JollyJackOLantern Tue 16-Oct-12 22:31:10

I think DS was about 10 months when we started making sure we gave him cutlery at every meal. He didn't do much with it to begin with but he usually did pick it up at some point during the meal and slowly got better.

golemmings Tue 16-Oct-12 22:45:33

We were going to do blw but not cooking meat myself combined with no dairy/soy meant we gave up. As a veggie most of my food is so sloppy I rarely use a knife so its pretty lousy for blw.

Am I the only one to be astonished that little baby E, whose birth we followed through THREE threads is now 10 months old?
And she can read and everything!

JollyJackOLantern Tue 16-Oct-12 22:55:42

I was surprised by that too, Norks. I kept having to go back and check.

Merinda Tue 16-Oct-12 23:01:43

Just wanted to add on buckwheat - Dove's farm that make lots of fre-from flours have great buckwheat pancake recipes on their website. They are lovely.

And as for milk chocolate, there are quite a few dairy-free chocolates on the market, Booja-Booja is fantastic, MooFree is another great one. Ocado and Waitrose have them for sure.
(Bessant and Drury make fantastic dairy-free ice-cream by the way)

LadyWidmerpool Tue 16-Oct-12 23:03:16

Has anyone suggested falafel?

Rollersara Tue 16-Oct-12 23:07:14

Am impressed with the variety already, DP and I are veggie and most of what we (and therefore DD) have is fairly liquidy!

<offtopic> According to MIL, if you get banana on clothing, wash straight away then they don't stain! DD has banana just before I plan to put a wash on and no black stains yet! Although just about every other colour

Woodifer Wed 17-Oct-12 07:18:29

2nd peachtown

expressed milk/ soya formula on cereal (mini shredded wheats/ weetabix/ reddibrek/ porridge)

avoiding cows milk/cheese has quite an impact on vege diet - are you certain about excema link?

rice cakes (mini or briken big ones) with smooth peanut butter

hummous on rice cakes/ breadsticks/ cucumber

egg! egg! egg! - omelette (cooled and cut into strips, similarly (same thing!) frittata with veges in) - you could make evening before - and serve cold strips for brekkie.

proteins = lentils/ beans/ pulses

Dal is fab (my DD loves red lentil)

reduced salt baked beans (on toast)

We think Ds is lactose intolerant (reflux not eczema) and have had great success weaning with the Lacto Free range - they do hard and soft cheeses, yoghurts and cream (and milk but you don't need that). He has it in everything - pasta, mash etc

Avocado and humous sandwiches a hit here, as was Annabel karmel lentil thing. Can you earmark evenings/days out of the shop for super nutritious messy food meals?

nickeldaisical Wed 17-Oct-12 12:11:12

she likes cutlery - she plays with it.
usually our cutlery - she has a habit of grabbing our forks and knives at the business end when we're not looking [sigh] and then grips her hand round them so tightly it's more dangerous to get them off her.

noted about banana.

will try to make some falafel.

will be looking for free chocolate. i gave up chocolate once for lent and switched to caramel coated blackfriars flapjacks.
wink

she had the spinach and cheese muffin for breakfast, a bit of egg white (hardboiled egg leftover) and an apple just now.
she's sleeping after a BF.

lunch will be a sandwich. haven't decided on topping yet.

nickeldaisical Wed 17-Oct-12 12:12:05

twelve - yes, probable will - the soup thing wasn't too bad last night, and of course, we can bath her and put her straight in jammies after smile

jkklpu Wed 17-Oct-12 12:15:33

Can you get to the shop 10 minutes earlier and give her porridge/ready (with goat's milk) plus banana/stewed apple/stewed pear/blueberries, or something?

nickeldaisical Wed 17-Oct-12 13:17:11

ooh, found this!

jkkplu - i've been trying to give her her breakfast in the morning before we leave - while i'm dressing (so i can watch her) but before i dress her.
mmm, like the idea or stewed fruit in porridge - i could use that as the sauce instead of milk, i think smile

nickeldaisical Wed 17-Oct-12 13:22:54

she's just having shredded wheat soaked in goat's milk and broccoli grin

SamSmalaidh Wed 17-Oct-12 13:26:22

Where does this idea come from that babies/toddlers need dairy products? If the child is getting human milk then she isn't going to waste away without animal milk confused

Quesadillas are really good, hot or cold, and you can put anything in them. Easy for little hands to hold.

nickeldaisical Wed 17-Oct-12 14:02:20

thank you Sam - i agree. It's the protein thing, but of course, animal based protein is coming from me, it's the non-animal protein we're potentially lacking

DS2 is the same as your DD (but DS2 is 10). He has always been veggie, and is ridiculously healthy. He normally gets a 100% attendance certificate every term, so just ignore everyone who says babies need meat or fish grin. Milk and milk products makes his eczema flare up which he scratches in his sleep. he already has scars on his arms from the scratching.

He normally has cereal and a banana for breakfast and pineapple or apple juice (not from concentrate). If he's at breakfast club he has toasted teacakes with jam (no spread) and some juice.

For lunch he has a homemade bread sandwich, usually with Granose vegetable pate, egg mayonnaise or houmous. Salad ie pepper and carrot sticks, then some dried fruit and a couple of bourbon biscuits. He normally drinks water at school.

For tea we normally have pasta and sauce (made with quorn mince or chunks), veggie chilli (DS2 has the chilli without the chilli powder - he has a very sensitive mouth), Linda McCartney sausages with potato wedges and veg or lentil shepherds pie.

Weekends is normally home made soup, or scrambled eggs etc.

Here's a list of foods which I find useful:

Lidl sell pressed apple juice

Teacakes or fruited bread
Vitalite
Peanut butter (when your dd is older)
Cashew butter
Yeast extract
Dried fruit - sultanas, apple and banana
Tinned beans - baked and chick peas etc

Asda sell really nice dark chocolate spread which is dairy free

Aldi sometimes sell Granose vegetable or mushroom pate. They have also started selling Blackfriars flapjack at 49p (bargain) which is vegan.

Toast fingers, maybe with veast extract or jam might be more appealing to your DD as she will be able to put it in her mouth as one rather than having to try and fit a slice in her mouth. Also breadsticks are really good for dipping in huomous. And yorkshire puddings made with soya or oat milk are scrummy.

i read somewhere that children need to keep trying the same things when if they first reject them, as their tastebuds change as they get older.

This is all making me feel very hungry.

Hope this helps smile

SamSmalaidh Wed 17-Oct-12 14:11:02

Generally we have far too much animal protein in our diets anyway. I seem to remember under 3s need .55g of protein per lb bodyweight per day - so assuming your DD is 20lbs that's only 11g of protein a day. 100g of baked beans is about 5g protein.

nickeldaisical Wed 17-Oct-12 14:27:14

thank you accident loads of ideas there :0

nickeldaisical Wed 17-Oct-12 14:27:26

should have been smile

No worries smile

Also need to watch out for hidden dairy in things ie toasting muffins usually have milk or butter in them. I bought some tomato ketchup a while ago and that had milk powder in it shock - I mean, who could have possibly guessed that?

DS2 has also suggested oat baths which we do for him. Old tights etc are good for these. Put a handful of oats in the toe bit of the tights or sock, then run warm water through it. The bath water will go milky. This is very soothing for itchy skin.

I think earlier you said you'd got hens? You can feed the oaty residue to them when it's still warm and they'll love it (hopefully). My hens love a bit of porridge.

I bf DS2 till he was 2 and quite often used breastmilk on cereal, in mashed pots etc (just for him though grin in case you thought otherwise)

Writergirl Thu 18-Oct-12 13:52:00

I think there's loads of good suggestions on here, also nut butters are very nutritious - almond or cashew, and you can also add jam, too!

Wholemeal crisp breads may be more nutrient dense than cream crackers, if she likes biscuity things.

Try smoothies? You can add handfuls of spinach to a banana, nut butter and nut milk smoothie, and it becomes a bright green color - I tell my kids its a magic potion and they love it, and it's packed with goodness.

I feel compelled to comment back to peachtown, because it's nutrients that kids need, not "fat". The best forms of calcium come from green leafy foods - e.g. kale, broccoli, collard greens, not dairy. The green leafy stuff -i.e. grass - is where the cows get it from - just bypass the cow!

Similarly, the omega and oils in fish are better from the source: seaweed.

Notes from a new vegan :-)
However, my kids aren't vegan, but I do have one who ate very little - the doctor wasn't concerned, it was more 'quality' than 'quantity', but I do also advise checking it out with your doc or nutritionist.:-)

nickeldaisical Thu 18-Oct-12 15:58:31

one of the ladies at church suggested oat bath (not yet brave enough, but am considering it! )
and good idea about the hens - they usually get the food dd smears all over the floor grin

nickeldaisical Thu 18-Oct-12 15:58:43

thank you writer smile

Oat baths are fantastic, they really soften the water and skin. I use the sock full of oats to wash DD down, squeeze until the thick oozy liquid appears then rub it on.

PessimisticMissPiggy Thu 18-Oct-12 20:20:14

I second oat baths. Amazing!

bessie26 Thu 18-Oct-12 20:22:28

How about Quinoa? (to eat, not bathe in! grin)

ooh quinoa makes good veggie burgers.

nickeldaisical Fri 19-Oct-12 13:24:33

oat bath it is then. smile

i've seen quinoa around but never used it. I was looking for things to make burgers with, so added to the list

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