Feminists what are your views on porn?

(16 Posts)
Rianna103 Thu 18-Apr-13 23:16:48

I understand that most feminist find porn bad because it often shows women as an object and men as the subject. So women are the ones being acted upon rather than the ones having sexual desires. This is also true in that fact that men are encouraged to watch porn and women are discouraged.

So I get that porn as it is at the moment is thought of a problematic but is it accepted that it doesn't have to be this way. Or is it still the whole nature of it considered bad as it could be argued that both the men and women are being objectified i.e. viewers are just using just the porn stars bodies to get off.

So essentially what I'm saying is that do feminists consider it as bad thing that can never be ok as people are always objectified and being seen just for their bodies OR is it that it would be ok if women were treated as the subject more?

Rianna103 Thu 18-Apr-13 23:37:44

I'd also like to know if anyone who identifies as a feminist watches porn?

seasavage Sat 06-Sep-14 21:31:12

I am not convinced by any interpretation of porn as anything other than objectifying. I met (through housemates) a woman who makes "feminist" porn. Being unconvinced I challenged myself to watch something she'd made and some more "traditional" porn.
I remain uncomfortable with all porn as porn (no other point to exercise of filming photographing).
Obviously HER take on this is what is needed. Sorry. That is unhelpful.

ubersquiz Fri 17-Oct-14 20:42:44

But that's kind of the point of porn isn't it? Its not there as a form of drama or Entertainment generally. Its there to titillate and arouse. Which is pretty much what it does.

Objectification doesn't have to be a bad thing, its all about context. After all without objectification we wouldn't find each other attractive. Again its about context.

I understand that not everyone agrees with or enjoys pornography, but its not a bad thing. So long as its consensual, then its harmless fun for adults.

PetulaGordino Fri 17-Oct-14 20:47:32

tbh while the objectification and portrayal of women is of course a huge concern, i'm greatly concerned about the porn industry itself and the coercion and problematic consent issues involved

PetulaGordino Fri 17-Oct-14 20:49:07

can i ask whether you are asking for a specific purpose? it's just it rather sounds as though you are looking for people to help with an essay or similar

MyEmpireOfDirt Fri 17-Oct-14 20:53:38

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ubersquiz Fri 17-Oct-14 20:58:04

Men are also objectified in pornography. Again this is the point of pornography and not always a bad thing. After all without objectification men such as Peter North wouldn't have the huge female fan bases that they do.

The vast majority of porn actors have given full consent and are under no duress to perform. I have seen this mentioned time and time again but so far I've yet to see any academic proof or otherwise. So far only anecdotal evidence which still points to it being a tiny minority.

PetulaGordino Fri 17-Oct-14 21:09:36

ah indeed. we have a little friend

ubersquiz Fri 17-Oct-14 21:22:24

I hope that wasnt intended to be patronising. Please don't fall into the category of "those feminists". I have my points of view as you do. If you have a counter argument please do enlighten me, in have no trouble with being a grown up about it. I hope you can say the same.

PuffinsAreFicticious Sat 18-Oct-14 13:33:17

Yes, the poor men in porn.....

jakesmith Sat 29-Nov-14 08:30:06

It is just as degrading for the men (who are in turn paid a fraction of what the women earn) to degrade women, as it is for 2 females who are paid to degrade each other
Do you think these guys go on to lead normal lives, or have normal attitudes, or are not judged constantly by society?
Men are damaged by the porn industry too, if you assume otherwise you are guilty of the same sort of stereotyping that feminists oppose

PuffinsAreFictitious Tue 02-Dec-14 07:43:44

I'm not convinced that it is, Jake. I am not aware that men suffer from the long term health problems which can be caused by men inserting their penises and other objects into every orifice. Men are less at risk of STIs. Society judges women far more for having any kind of sex, let alone porn sex than it does men, so no, I don't agree that men in porn would be judged as harshly. Men are far less likely to be raped and assaulted on set than women. So while I have no doubt that men in porn, as well as men who watch it are damaged, women are damaged more, both in a personal and societal sense, you saying that anyone who doesn't agree with your personal view is guilty of anything doesn't make it so. You''ll excuse us if we look out for the women damaged by porn, you, otoh, are free to look out for the men, if you feel that's more relevant to you.

Homeriliad Fri 05-Dec-14 18:06:56

sex-positive feminists are generally ok with porn, although maybe not the current state of the porn industry.
I guess it depends on which brand/wave of feminism you subscribe to. Wasn't the feminist war in the 80's down to disagreements on this issue?

PleaseSpiderHaveMyWallet Sat 13-Dec-14 17:52:03

Sex-positive feminists are ok with porn? Are you trying to suggest that those who don't like porn are not sex-positive (exactly what do you mean by that?)?

BuffyWithChristmasEarings Tue 16-Dec-14 13:53:57

Sex-positive feminism is what this type of feminism is called. It isn't meant to imply that feminists who don't identify as Sex-positive are negative about sex grin

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