April 2012 Non-Fiction Book Club: Helena Kennedy's Eve Was Framed

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StewieGriffinsMom Sat 24-Mar-12 08:20:17

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SweetTheSting Fri 20-Apr-12 23:22:29

I am looking forward to it!

StewieGriffinsMom Tue 24-Apr-12 14:34:18

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StewieGriffinsMom Tue 24-Apr-12 20:22:21

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StewieGriffinsMom Tue 24-Apr-12 20:29:43

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SweetTheSting Wed 25-Apr-12 07:55:50

I'm actually just skimming some of it again as it's been 6 weeks since I read it (because I was procrastinating over the Sheila Jeffries book grin).
I think the introduction is particularly strong. I like that she points out equalisation has been towards a
Male norm and also the hypocrisy of 'only the best will do' as if a mediocre men have never become judges. I thInk that's
A strong point in the 'quota' type arguments.

I do believe in the 'cab rank' thing. Will go and find the assange threads to see what was said ( I read some but not sure of it was FWR or News)

(excuse random caps, stupid phone!)

SweetTheSting Wed 25-Apr-12 08:02:26

Oh God, that was barely legible, sorry!

StewieGriffinsMom Wed 25-Apr-12 08:09:49

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SweetTheSting Wed 25-Apr-12 08:34:42

Oh God, that was barely legible, sorry!

SweetTheSting Wed 25-Apr-12 08:41:18

<chucks phone out of window>

StewieGriffinsMom Wed 25-Apr-12 12:18:42

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SweetTheSting Wed 25-Apr-12 20:19:49

Gah, gah, had to come home from work early as DS1 was poorly (though he was fine by the time we got to the doctor, grr!), so am now catching up on missed work. Will try and join at some point if not too snowed by writing my reports. If not, will post ASAP on another day.

SweetTheSting Wed 25-Apr-12 20:25:00

I agree with the first phrase, SGM! But don't remember the second bit, will scan for it.

And while I'm here...I was curious as to what measures the Canadian, South African and Australian courts have taken to treat disadvantaged groups 'fairly' (as opposed to specifically 'equally').

Right, really going now!

StewieGriffinsMom Wed 25-Apr-12 21:03:21

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AbigailAdams Wed 25-Apr-12 21:12:15

I'll be around in about 20. Loving the book though. Haven't quite finished yet.

Agree SGM about that comment about adult consensual prostitution infantilising women. Her view of prostitution was the only thing I haven't agreed with her on.

I do think I have a bit if a crush on her though smile

StewieGriffinsMom Wed 25-Apr-12 21:17:33

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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 25-Apr-12 21:19:57

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SweetTheSting Wed 25-Apr-12 21:36:55

Keeping half an eye on thread between reports... wink

I've found the quote now. It does seem completely disconnected from the previous lines in the paragraph.

...hmm. I just was trying to see if it made sense in the context of the next section about criminalising prostitute by 'other means' e.g. ASBOs stopping them working certain streets. But it doesn't.

AbigailAdams Wed 25-Apr-12 21:39:35

Yes it did, I agree. I hadn't realised she had been instrumental in getting the law changed for rape and consent. I am really glad she is on our side. She really "gets" it.

The chapter on women murdering their partners was very moving and compassionate. She seems to have a lot of compassion which is heartening considering what an "old boys network" she was describing in the early part of the book.

AbigailAdams Wed 25-Apr-12 21:44:39

Sorry cross-post Sweet that was to SGM.

I also had a few light-bulb moments with regards equality not meaning treating everyone the same and the fact that we don't start off on a level playing field so why should the treatments be the same. I think a lot of people on threads where a woman has hit her partner post with the view that the playing field is level whereas it isn't. She also recognises the different motivations of women and men when they commit crimes.

StewieGriffinsMom Wed 25-Apr-12 21:47:13

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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 25-Apr-12 21:49:34

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StewieGriffinsMom Wed 25-Apr-12 21:53:13

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AbigailAdams Wed 25-Apr-12 22:06:36

I've learnt so much about the law from this book and looking at different perspectives. I really hadn't grasped how utterly male orientated the legal system was and more importantly what that meant for women.

There was a small section where she mentioned women in Broadmoor and the like and how still women are being institutionalised for basically not fitting the gender stereotype. Fucking awful.

AbigailAdams Wed 25-Apr-12 22:09:25

She didn't hold her punches either when talking about other members of the bar and Judges who had got it wrong.

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