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(117 Posts)
SnowyMouse Sat 26-Jan-13 18:20:57

This evening the crisis team asked me if I would be better in hospital. There is no way I want to be in hospital, how can I persuade them otherwise? (other than saying I'm fine, which doesn't work).

Or the alternative, how can I persuade myself that I would tolerate hospital...I've had a few stays in the past?

Flickstix Sat 26-Jan-13 18:22:29

Why do they want you to go to hospital? Do you think you would be better there? If not, then why not? smile

SnowyMouse Sat 26-Jan-13 18:33:15

They aren't sure that I can keep myself safe at home. I find the major restrictions imposed by hospital hard (obs, food, not being allowed off the ward, not being allowed certain possessions, even down to belt and shoe laces).

I can't handle all the people talking about me behind my back - hard enough at the moment, never mind in that pressurised/toxic atmosphere.

I hope the crisis team don't suggest it again, and that my CMHT don't get similar ideas.

I really don't understand something else - I know a fair few people who have overdosed/tried to commit suicide who stay in the community, I haven't tried anything yet but they are suggesting hospital. Does that make sense to anyone?

Flickstix Sat 26-Jan-13 18:36:52

Have you said this to them (your reasons for not wanting to go to hospital) and are there any other options? Why don't they think you can keep yourself safe?

snowbanana Sat 26-Jan-13 18:41:03

I really don't understand something else - I know a fair few people who have overdosed/tried to commit suicide who stay in the community, I haven't tried anything yet but they are suggesting hospital. Does that make sense to anyone?

One explanation came to my mind: If you have broderline personality, a hospital stay after OD/something similar does not really help (they say). Their suicide attempts are rather impulsive, so you can't really prevent them as such. I have been told that I might have borderline personality,as my attempts have looked very impulsive. They were not, but I just did not tell anyone about my intentions.

Flickstix Sat 26-Jan-13 18:44:39

Do you have BPD SnowMouse?

SnowyMouse Sat 26-Jan-13 18:46:41

That's a view I hadn't thought of, snowbanana. I haven't told them details as such, but they surmise I have plans (not involving ODs).

Flickstix, they think I might kill myself. I live alone and am fairly low at the moment, stopped my antidepressants a few months ago. which seems to have been a poor decision. They did ask if I had anyone who could come and stay with me, but I don't.

SnowyMouse Sat 26-Jan-13 18:47:19

I don't have BPD Flickstix, I've been assessed by an expert who said I don't have any PDs.

Flickstix Sat 26-Jan-13 18:48:42

Do you think you might? Have you restarted your antidepressants since you realised it was a poor decision?

SnowyMouse Sat 26-Jan-13 18:50:46

Ahh, sorry for the confusion. It was a reasonable decision to make, I hadn't been depressed for 2 years, and stopping the meds was done with the knowledge of my psych.

Flickstix Sat 26-Jan-13 18:52:46

Do you think you might try to kill yourself? If there is any doubt in your mind then maybe you should go into hospital, from there you could negotiate/discuss your options when you feel you are ok to leave.

Are there no options other than home alone or in hospital?

SnowyMouse Sat 26-Jan-13 19:29:51

Other than hoping the antidepressants kick in, I'm not sure there are many other options, keeping my preferred one of treatment in the community.

Flickstix Sat 26-Jan-13 19:39:22

Would you consider going into hospital until they kick in, just to be on the safe side?

Flickstix Sat 26-Jan-13 19:40:13

I'm sorry I have never been hospitalised for this kind of thing so I really can't judge, I am looking at it from a keep you safe perspective

SnowyMouse Sat 26-Jan-13 19:44:07

Thanks's a tough one.

Flickstix Sat 26-Jan-13 20:07:29

If there's any doubt in your mind I would just go to hospital smile

WithanAnotE Sat 26-Jan-13 20:41:06

Think I read somewhere that people who self harm can present to to A&E as attempted suicide but actually they rarely intend to kill themselves - perhaps this explains some of the paradox?

On the hospital admission thing, is it a viable option for you to suggest to the Crisis team that right now you feel happy to be at home but agree to check-in with them on a regular basis (perhaps by phone?) and let them know if you feel the situation deteriorates?

SnowyMouse Sat 26-Jan-13 20:57:39

I think that's a good plan With, thanks.

I don't think hospital is so bad ;) I know what you mean about the possessions thing. Since I have been in a few times every time I feel like I am better at it - I know what to take to keep me busy etc.

Admissions don't have to be for a long time, some people go in for 72 hours or a week. It could be an idea to restart your meds in hospital.

I would have an honest discussion with them about how you feel, and ask them what they think. I have been in situations where hospital has been advised and I have chosen not to take them up on it and situations where they have advised me to go but whether I agree or not I would be going, so you need to ask those questions.

Do you think you can be safe at home?

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat Sun 27-Jan-13 00:14:56

Ah there you are snowy, was wondering how it had gone. Agree with's idea is good. My experience of hospital is with being up, always found it interesting blush and found good people to talk to. But that is rather different from your current state.

How long have you been on the meds this time?

SnowyMouse Sun 27-Jan-13 13:12:04

I think I've been lucky, the crisis team members that visited today and yesterday were kind and gave me time and space to try to say what was going on.

They did reconfirm that I'd rather stay in the community, and they're phoning again tonight.

I hope that the arrangement can stay as is until the meds start working again. I find it interesting how different hospitals have different rules.

Mine doesn't allow mobile phones except in a designated area, and definitely doesn't allow laptops. This gave me problems as one way of dealing with voices is to listen to music on headphones...

SnowyMouse Sun 27-Jan-13 13:23:35

On the good side I am starting to be able to share bits of info, surrounding plans etc. hmm

springbanana Sun 27-Jan-13 17:29:06

Nice that you can stay at home SnowyMouse.

I usually could have my mobile (the only ones allowed where ones without camera) with me apart from one hospital acute ward, where you could only use your mobile phone in nurses station. That was difficult because I play games with my mobile phone if I feel really anxious/depressed (benzos does not work or anything else). It helps even for suicidal thoughts.

SnowyMouse Sun 27-Jan-13 19:08:15

Yes, a modern phone is great distraction material smile

SnowyMouse Mon 28-Jan-13 16:02:02

I feel liberated, I couldn't face the crisis team so I said no thanks and it worked.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat Mon 28-Jan-13 16:57:46

But are you otherwise OK snowy? Remember we are here, and you could call CMHT if you need to.

SnowyMouse Mon 28-Jan-13 18:03:09

I'm struggling, but I couldn't handle strangers being in my house.

SnowyMouse Mon 28-Jan-13 19:25:32

Oh no, crisis team and cpn want to come together tomorrow hmm Apparently I sound low. So much for them agreeing not to phone me.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat Mon 28-Jan-13 19:27:28

I have a v good GP who understands me - and if I need to speak to him he books a double appointment if mh related. (But my mh has improved amazingly since divorce)

What meds are you on, and have you been on them for long?

SnowyMouse Mon 28-Jan-13 19:31:10

I've been taking antipsychotics and antidepressants for a few years, stopped the tricylic before Christmas and have restarted it this week. My GP is also very good, but I am seen by a psychiatrist/CPN etc, who I don't know awfully well.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat Mon 28-Jan-13 19:34:48

So early days on restarting the meds then. CPNs can vary I know, but I was lucky enough to have a good one. They get to see you more regularly and for longer than a psych, so it is easier to build a relationship I think.

SnowyMouse Mon 28-Jan-13 19:36:41

Yes, the meds need time to work. I'm sure the CPN will be fine, now isn't a good time to get to know people for me. smile

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat Mon 28-Jan-13 21:44:10

Oh just noticed your post re crisis team and cpn - well they have a duty of care and it's their job apart from anything else... Funny in a way that it's because now isn't a good time to see people, that you do need to see people.

WithanAnotE Mon 28-Jan-13 22:00:54

It's a two way deal. You can tell them if you feel vulnerable and they should tell you if they feel you might be.

I know it's really, really hard but are you stay in 'the present'. Please try not to worry about 'the what ifs' and 'buts'. (I am terrible and tend to catastrophise!)

Perhaps, if you feel up to it, you can think of some questions for the crisis team in respect of how best they, and your cpn, can support you further in a community setting. Perhaps other posters can help here. smile

SnowyMouse Tue 29-Jan-13 12:10:15

The outcome is for them to visit for the next few days even if I say thanks but no thanks confused hmm

WithanAnotE Tue 29-Jan-13 15:55:40

"Thanks but no thanks." Sounds like they are ok with how you present but are want to stay close in case you might need them?
AND well done you! It's very stressful but you are ok.

SnowyMouse Tue 29-Jan-13 15:59:36

They're still not satisfied that I will keep myself safe, hope I can convince them of that soon. They would prefer me to go to the day hospital.

SnowyMouse Tue 29-Jan-13 21:08:49

I think safety is in the eye of the beholder. I don't feel safe when the crisis team is at my house.

WithanAnotE Wed 30-Jan-13 08:03:21

I think your feelings about this very normal. Some people like to be in hospital, some don't!

What is the day hospital like? What does it offer?
Many run group sessions and activities which can be helpful if, like me, being home alone feeds your illness.

In theory (!) you get all the advantages of being an inpatient during the day but get to go home. Would you be comfortable exploring the day patient option further with the Crisis team if you don't already know the details of what they offer?

SnowyMouse Wed 30-Jan-13 08:57:08

The day hospital does have a decent set of activities, I just can't face the one on one time and all the questions.

WithanAnotE Wed 30-Jan-13 09:19:35

Ok, not all bad then. 121s can be really wearing sometimes especially if you end up repeating yourself to lots of different people.

Not sure from your post if you have attended a day hospital, but I guess all you can do is ask and explain your reservations. My own experience has been positive.

Thing is, if I meet MH workers halfway, I keep some control over things. They also don't always react well if I do a lot of, "yes, but......" at them as they tend to then try to tell me what to they will do.

I know it's hard, but they are worried about you, keep banging away at keeping them engaged and, if at all possible, try to agree some middle ground. Best wishes.

SnowyMouse Wed 30-Jan-13 10:04:26

I did find day hospital helped before, but I didn't have trouble talking about stuff then.

I'm trying to comply with them.

SnowyMouse Wed 30-Jan-13 17:06:27

This may seem an odd question, but one of the reasons I'm not sure about contacting the crisis team is because I can't see what they could say to help...?

SnowyMouse Wed 30-Jan-13 18:19:22

I meant to say, thanks WithanAnotE for your insight, it's useful to try to understand where they are coming from.

SnowyMouse Fri 01-Feb-13 17:06:07

I'm struggling at the moment. Their response to me finding it difficult having them in the house is to increase the number of visits. I hope the weekend goes quickly so we can renegotiate on Monday. I did get told that 'not everyone we see wants to see us." Too true!

springbanana Fri 01-Feb-13 17:14:02

Interesting that they are so obstinate. Do you look very ill or how do they get the idea you need to be checked out so often?

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat Fri 01-Feb-13 17:15:17

I'm thinking they may consider you a suicide risk? Is there anywhere you could go to check in as it were - like the CHTT premises?

SnowyMouse Fri 01-Feb-13 17:21:59

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat is right re: risk, twice a day plus phone seems too much still, but I need to comply at the moment. CHTT are 2 buses and an hour and a half away, so it does really have to be at home, thanks for the thought though.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat Fri 01-Feb-13 17:24:58

Hmm - maybe at GP surgery?

springbanana Fri 01-Feb-13 17:25:24

Sounds quite excessive. Usually peole have problems to get someone believing they are suicidal. Do you tell them something they might think you are in risk or how do they know?

SnowyMouse Fri 01-Feb-13 17:30:45

Good point, TSTP, I'll ask smile springbanana, I'm not entirely sure how they assess risk, but unfortunately they seem to think I'm high risk from talking with me. It's odd as I can't voice much of what's going on in my head, so they don't know all that much.

springbanana Fri 01-Feb-13 17:38:07

ok, maybe you sound you are not fully in control of yourself.

SnowyMouse Fri 01-Feb-13 17:48:06

Ok... confused hmm

springbanana Fri 01-Feb-13 17:58:37

sorry, i did not want to offensive, but just one tought. Are you risk in your opinion?

NanaNina Fri 01-Feb-13 17:59:59

Hi snowymouse I think you said in an earlier post that you were hearing voices (forgive me if I've got that wrong) and you mention anti-psychotic drugs. As I'm sure you know pyschosis is being out of tough with reality, which is why people with this illness often don't realise how ill they are, or may think they are not ill at all. It is only outsiders looking in that can assess the risk. It seems to me that the CMHT think you are high risk of suicide which is why they are suggesting inpatient care.

As others have said CPNs and psychiatrists are not falling over themselves to have people admitted as resources are scarce, so I wonder if you can take on board that you are quite ill and need to be an inpatient while the drugs kick in, and to be sure of course that you are actually taking the meds.

I know psych hospital is a pain (have had 2 admissions) and it's really boring. In my experience no one asked me anything at all about my illness or bothered to offer comfort whenI was very distressed, but you don't have to think about anything and that in itself is something of a relief.

The choice is yours up to a point as you know they can section you if they are really worried about you and are refusing admission. I'm sure it would be best to go in on vol basis. Not sure about day hospital - but what would prevent you attempting suicide in the evening/night once the day hopital had closed.

Sorry if I am being too direct or confusing you.

NanaNina Fri 01-Feb-13 18:01:03

sorry "out of touch with reality not out of tough

SnowyMouse Fri 01-Feb-13 18:08:08

Hi NanaNina Thanks for that, they were saying things like, 'do you understand' a lot, so I guess they might be looking at how my thinking is, as well as asking about voices and thoughts.

I think I'll give 100% to interactions over the weekend, I can't bear the thought of hospital again, I must have had 5-6 admissions in 2 years.

I think day hospital was for distraction purposes, but today I managed to say that nights are worse, so they were focussing on distractions for then today.

NanaNina Fri 01-Feb-13 19:20:30

What do you mean snowymouse about giving 100% to interactions over the weekend? How do you think your thinking is and are you being troubled by intrusive voices.

Have you anybody in RL for support snowymouse

SnowyMouse Fri 01-Feb-13 19:39:33

I'm having intrusive thoughts and voices (both unfortunately), and I do feel depressed/low. By interactions I just meant each time the crisis team are in contact, because if they think I'm disengaging they will be less positive, I've promised to try to interact with them.

It's really hard for me to tell people how I am at the moment, I've only admitted that I'm feeling low to family and friends.

SnowyMouse Fri 01-Feb-13 20:37:10

Has anyone ever tried putting up notes to yourself, e.g. 'Don't go outside'? I've had it suggested to me by CT.

SnowyMouse Fri 01-Feb-13 20:46:06

Maybe they do think I'm having schizo-related issues, they did ask if my antipsychotic normally gets increased when I'm like this... blush

Thinking of you SnowyMouse smile

NanaNina Fri 01-Feb-13 23:29:18

I think it's important Snowymouse that youare honest with the crisis team and not just try and make out out everything is ok. Don't feel you have to tell posters how you feel if it is difficult, but you do have to tell the crisis team how you are, as best you can. You certainly sound very rational in your posts, but the intrusive thoughts and voices must be horrid for you.
Glad to hear you have real life friends ad family.

FDG hello - I know you are suffering badly at the moment too. Mental illness is a real bugger to say the least. Sending you warm wishes.

SnowyMouse Sat 02-Feb-13 14:27:55

Thanks fluffy, thinking of you too smile

I am trying hard to be honest NanaNina, else I think things might happen that I don't want. I hope you are doing ok.

SnowyMouse Sun 03-Feb-13 21:21:57

I'm not looking forward to tomorrow's meeting, me, crisis team and cpn. I would like to cancel it.

Good luck for tomorrow x

TheSilveryPussycat Sun 03-Feb-13 22:42:45

I'm sure you would. And I would quite like to cancel the 2 dentist appointments I've got this week hmm but I won't.

Did you manage to get the location changed?

NanaNina Mon 04-Feb-13 00:28:52

Let us know how you get on at your meeting tomorrow snowymouse - I can imagine how difficult this is going to be for you. Sorry SPC I don't think comparing dental appointments with meetings with crisis team and CPN is comparing like with like!!

TheSilveryPussycat Mon 04-Feb-13 11:56:33

Sorry post was a bit brusque anyway. nana don't you think the level of fear might be the same though (--or am I a complete wuss--) - twas to see if I could get an implant (aargh) but unfortunately I found out today it's not viable.

snowy of course you feel apprehensive, I do hope it goes/has gone all right for you [hug]

SnowyMouse Mon 04-Feb-13 16:47:51

Thanks both, I'm still in the community thankfully, just need to work on complying with what they have suggested.

NanaNina Mon 04-Feb-13 18:38:44

What have they suggested snowymouse Do you think you will be able to carry it through........

And NO SPC I think you have suffered severe depression and in my case nothing else had ever been so scarey, before nor since. I cannot believe you can liken that to a visit to the dentist and not even for treatment!!

Sorry snowymouse I don't want this thread to be side tracked by SPC and me. I'm sure we are both very concerned for you. Very glad that you are still in the community.

SnowyMouse Mon 04-Feb-13 18:48:23

They want me to stop going out at night, and they'll ring each evening to help with that...hope I can.

TheSilveryPussycat Mon 04-Feb-13 20:01:10

I have an extraction on Weds - and today we'd have talked about drilling holes in my jaw shock <sticks tongue out at nana>

You're right though nana, I have been severely severely depressed - but I am lucky insofaras I don't get anxious, and that must make an enormous difference. (except about dentist, anasthesia, heights...)

snowy you go out at night? Is that not a good sign? I suppose it depends what you do. Sorry just musing, not being nosey...

SnowyMouse Mon 04-Feb-13 20:06:36

Mmm. I think they are slightly right that where I go isn't safe even if I'm not having suicidal thoughts, possibly.

SnowyMouse Mon 04-Feb-13 22:13:40

It is so hard to stay inside sad

TheSilveryPussycat Mon 04-Feb-13 23:28:12

So it's not so much that you don't want to be in the house, more like there is somewhere else you want to be?

SnowyMouse Tue 05-Feb-13 12:42:29

Yes, down by a local water. I feel awful today.

springpotatoe Tue 05-Feb-13 12:43:52

But it is so cold brrrrhhhh. Have you ever swam in a lake in winter? I rather stay under the blanket!

NanaNina Tue 05-Feb-13 13:37:52

snowymouse NO it isn't a good idea to be going out by water at night when you are feeling suicidal, thought I have to admit I have done that but on summer nights not winter ones. Are the crisis team phoning today - please tell them how awful you are feeling. I know you don't want to go into hospital but it might be best because at least the psychiatrist can review your meds and maybe add something that is going to take the edge off your emotional distress.

Keep posting if it helps snowymouse

Incidentally are they ok with you going for a walk in the daytime, and not by the water. I always feel too scared to go out when I am having a bad time but we're all different.

TheSilveryPussycat Tue 05-Feb-13 14:06:32

nana speaks good advice. I went in to the assessment ward for 5 days in July. I had to get used to the idea that I was bound to be in for at least a few days, because they need a few days of being around you to assess you properly, and in my case, take me off my SSRI to begin with.

And they don't ply you with questions or anything.

I'm in the NE by the way, the way they run in-patient care may be different where you are?

SnowyMouse Tue 05-Feb-13 16:21:10

Thanks both. I'll try to remember when they phone later NanaNina. After all the effort over the past few weeks I don't want to have even a short hospital stay.

SnowyMouse Tue 05-Feb-13 16:44:55

Yes, they do say to get out if I can. Chilly today, isn't it?

NanaNina Tue 05-Feb-13 16:50:55

Yes - don't know where you are but I'm in the West Midlands and there's a biting wind and it's just started raining!

Are you feeling any better than earlier on when you posted. Do you find you are worse at some times than others......mornings are my worst times.

When are the crisis team seeing you again?

SnowyMouse Tue 05-Feb-13 16:56:15

Evenings are worse for me. The CT are ringing later to try to distract from going outside.

NanaNina Tue 05-Feb-13 17:51:18

Is it because evenings are worse for you that you want to go out at night. Does it make you feel any better. Are you having suicidal thoughts when you are out walking at night? If so you can see why the CT are concerned. YOu must follow their advice, so that you can stay out of hospital.

SnowyMouse Tue 05-Feb-13 18:10:27

I do feel better outside, but that may be due to the thoughts I'm getting. I am trying hard to do as they suggest.

SnowyMouse Tue 05-Feb-13 20:43:54

Bother sad Everything went out of my head when they rang hmm confused

It feels too wrong to try and ring them.

TheSilveryPussycat Tue 05-Feb-13 21:09:23

Just write down what you wanted to say on a piece of paper for a start...

SnowyMouse Tue 05-Feb-13 21:18:08

Good point, it's frustrating, I'll wait til tomorrow now.

SnowyMouse Wed 06-Feb-13 17:26:19

I've just dropped myself in it by emailing my CPN about some of the suicidal thoughts, or at least that's how it feels.

TheSilveryPussycat Wed 06-Feb-13 18:03:36

That is a good thing to have done, don't worry. The more info they have, the better. Do they feel like 'just' thoughts iykim?

SnowyMouse Wed 06-Feb-13 18:05:06

In honesty, they are not 'just' thoughts, it would be easier if they were.

TheSilveryPussycat Wed 06-Feb-13 18:12:19

So have you got any strategies to keep you safe? which aiu means staying home at night...

SnowyMouse Wed 06-Feb-13 18:15:36

The CT will ring me later. Apart from that it's up to me, staying home is no more safe than going out at the moment.

NanaNina Wed 06-Feb-13 18:27:38

I don't think you have "dropped yourself in it" by e mailing the CT about your sucidal thoughts. I think you have been honest with them and they can't ask for anything more. OK It might increase their concern but you must remember that they are acting in your best interests.

The thing about suicidal thoughts is that they are a very common symptom of depression. Thankfully it's suicide ideation in most cases (where you think about suicide and methods etc) but you aren't going to actually make an attempt on your life.

When I am having a rough time with depression, I think of suicide quite a lot and I go through the methods that I know, but I don't think I would go through with it.

What do you mean snowymouse that you think you are in danger of attempting suicide. Have you made a plan. I think it's really important that you are honest with the CT.

springpotatoe Wed 06-Feb-13 18:28:06

But you have been really good so far smile

SnowyMouse Wed 06-Feb-13 18:30:58

I have been open with the CPN about plans, easier to write than say. I see her tomorrow afternoon, so I'll see what she says then, thanks.

SnowyMouse Thu 07-Feb-13 16:36:32

Well the email I sent has got them (more) concerned about my level of risk (and they have copied it to everyone and my notes). They are really pushing day hospital now, but I really cannot face it so they will review that on Monday.

The CT have said they will do daily visits rather than phone calls, it feels like a backwards step to me, but they say phone calls aren't working.

It was very hard to let them in, but I suppose at least I did.

I need to be better by Monday.

SnowyMouse Thu 07-Feb-13 16:40:46

I also think lurking on MN helps.

NanaNina Thu 07-Feb-13 17:20:11

Glad lurking on MN helps - does the same for me, but I think snowymouse that you need to try and stop fighting your illness and those trying to help you. IF you went to day hospital, would they provide transport. What is it that you don't like about it - having to interact with others? Would this be preferable to in patient care. You say you need to be better by Monday but you know that that isn't realistic, so don't make goals for yourself that aren't achievable.

You have to accept that you are mentally ill at the moment (as all of us on the MN threads are of have been in the past) and need support in the same way that you would need care if you had a physical illness. I know that sadly there is still a stigma attached to mental health, but we can't let that stand in the way of getting/accepting the help that we need.

Sorry to sound bossy!!!

SnowyMouse Thu 07-Feb-13 17:35:15

I hear what you are saying, NanaNina. I'm not not wanting to do it because of stigma, it's the voices and thoughts which are getting in the way, when I've been unwell before day hospital did help, it feels like it wouldn't this time.

NanaNina Thu 07-Feb-13 23:39:14

Hmm - if the day hospital helped last time, why do you think it won't help this time. You mention it's the voices and thoughts "getting in the way" - are they whispering to you that going to the day hospital is not a good idea. Wouldn't going to the day hospital be better than going in as an inpatient.

Have a think about the pros and cons of going to the day hospital (maybe write them down) and then it would be possible for you to talk to the CT about this. I know you struggle to find the right words with the CT but writing things down, will maybe help you to think more clearly and help with communicating with the CT.

Take care of yourself snowymouse (just love that nic name!!!)

SnowyMouse Fri 08-Feb-13 08:56:48

Last time it was the voices I was struggling with, this time it's depression. Good point re: making a pros/cons list, it's hard to be objective about though. If they said day hospital or inpatient, I would choose day hospital, but they haven't said that.

SnowyMouse Fri 08-Feb-13 17:29:20

I've survived (in the nicest possible way) another CT visit. They are hard to tolerate, but I'm trying.

NanaNina Fri 08-Feb-13 18:45:25

Well done snowymouse

Do you have anyone in RL (relatives or friends who can support you) Hope so.

SnowyMouse Fri 08-Feb-13 19:13:40

Yes I do, but I can't keep going on about it too much. It worries people.

TheSilveryPussycat Fri 08-Feb-13 20:02:53

can they come and just be with you? might it help?

SnowyMouse Fri 08-Feb-13 20:16:49

It feels best to stay away from people, I find it hard enough to let the CT in once a day. Hopefully when I'm feeling better it will be easier to let people in smile

SnowyMouse Sat 09-Feb-13 09:14:14

I'm giving in and going back to bed I think.

SnowyMouse Sat 09-Feb-13 10:41:20

That helped

TheSilveryPussycat Sat 09-Feb-13 11:16:44

Just got up, how ya doin? was your last post ironic or did going back actually help?

SnowyMouse Sat 09-Feb-13 11:29:10

No, it did help a bit thanks, it's too easy to dwell on things the CT have said on top of everything else. I would prefer it if they phoned rather than visited, but they will review on Monday

SnowyMouse Sat 09-Feb-13 11:42:00

I'd been trying not to nap in the day because it's not supposed to be good for you, but I've decided a short nap is ok.

TheSilveryPussycat Sat 09-Feb-13 12:41:55

am on vicar's bed thread, where we have decided tis ok to nap when low, provided we don't overdo it, and we are all supporting each other to manage our days. take a look?

SnowyMouse Sat 09-Feb-13 12:49:38

That sounds like a good plan smile It is nice seeing how everyone supports each other there.

NanaNina Sat 09-Feb-13 16:06:44

Snowymouse I think this "not supposed to good for you to nap through the day" is a bit crap to be honest. It's all well and good the medics telling us this when they have never experienced severe depression and the need to withdraw when we are very down. My CPN was always telling me not to nap in the day and not to isolate myself. My days are up and down and it's like being on an emotional rollercoaster and I want to get off!

I call my depression my Headmonster and he sleeps a fair bit and I am well and thenhwakes and goes on the rampage!! If I feel I need to nap then I do, either on the sofa with a blanket or on my bed with a nice soft mohair blanket over me. In fact I did this today and fell asleep but woke up feeling fair bit better

Like silverypussycat says we have decided it's ok to take a nap but not to overdo it (as in staying in bed all day) Yes take a look at the thread - there are a lot of poster on it now, but it is good to know others are having to find ways to manage bad days.

SO my advice is to take a nap when you need one, but keep up your personal hygiene (showering, brushing teeth etc). Do you have a nice soft blanket to cover yourself with for a nap.

SnowyMouse Sat 09-Feb-13 16:30:58

Thanks NanaNina smile. I hope your headmonster stays away. I have a fleece sleeping bag which is good for naps.

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