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Do you think if your family of origin was very unhappy you can ever truly be happy as an adult?(54 Posts)
This is the first time I've posted on Mental Health. I wasn't sure whether to do so as I can see some of the posters on here are in real turmoil and this thread, well, I suppose is a more reflection on my situation and wondering what other people's thoughts were iykwim (sorry, badly expressed!).
Anyway, I'm 35. Throughout my adult life, I've had long periods of discontent, emptiness and alienation - but weirdly, I wouldn't call it depression. It almost feels like my default setting. There are times in my life I've been happy: when I fell in love for the first time, when I did well in exams / jobs, when I was pregnant, times with my children (although, only times, I find it very difficult with them at times ).
But the "default setting" always returns - and gets really bad at times so I feel totally alienated from everyone and just want to be alone. Everything feels hard and stressful. I drink more (not loads but too much for me), don;t take care of myself (food, exercise, maintaining friendships etc). I'm in one of those periods at the moment. I've been trying to understand why I'm like this. I've had a little therapy in the past - it helped a bit but not really as much as I thought it would - maybe the therapist.
The thing I keep coming back - the only explanation it seems to me - is my very unhappy family (of origin) life. My mother and father had an extremely unhappy marriage but as practising Catholics would never have divorced. They seriously dislked eachother. My childhood memories are of them either having screaming rows (never violence afaik) or silent treatment for weeks.
I have 3 older brothers (2 much older). None of them were really any support or provided any solidarity to me though this (and nor to eachother). It was like we were 6 people under the same roof but all separate and alone - there was no unity or sense of family.
My weekends as a child were spent in my room, trying to enter myself. We never did anything together as a family and there was no expectation whatsoever that my parents would do acitivities with us. We would all "go our separate ways" under the same roof. We would have our meals together, and then it was like we were cast adrift: look after yourself.
As an adult, I have found close relationships difficult. I hate group situations. I only really tolerate socialising one on one or one on two. I find team work at work difficult. I find my children's neediness for me suffocating - I push them away and crave being alone.
I don't want to be this sort of person. I don't know how to change. I don't know if I can. Is my past so deeply engrained there's no way to break free?
Any thoughts welcome. Thank you.
This thread has struck a cord with me. I did not have the best of childhoods and now have no contact with my family - for the last 15 yrs or so.
I don't know the answer to your question. I suspect that the aim is for a contentment and an acceptance. We all know people who are light, smiley, fun, for whom life appears (and it is only appears) not to weigh heavily on them.
I think, as others have said that if your default setting, developed through years and years as a child and then reinforced as an adult is not like this then that cannot completely change.
I have on and off taken ADs and am now having pyschotherapy. My aim is to come to that acceptance, that is how it was, it was not ideal. Contentment and being at ease with oneself is my goal.
In terms of the children, I have treated my children to some extent as I was treated and i am ashamed of that. I have shouted at very small children, I have not regarded their feelings when I have been frustrated. Anger was so much the currency of my childhood that it is so difficult to break free. I too understand the suffocation, I have no recollection of being cuddled, listened to or felt that I was loved.
Yet the children are my salvation, they love me as no one else now will. It is through our children that maybe a part of us can be reformed.
So I think it is possible to gain a sense of contentment and appreciation for now. It is hard, what comes naturally to others will not come naturally to you.
I have a library of self help books so I am reluctant to recommend, however my therapist recommended "The Whole Parent: How to Become a Terrific Parent Even If You Didn't Have One " by Debra Wesselmann.
I understand how you feel. If you learnt to behave in a certain way when very young to deal with adverse events, them that is your default setting. You may be able to change this through therapy or meds, but that is how your brain learnt to behave when faced with certain events. You obviously learnt to distance yourself during the rows
I often feel similar, and also had nasty childhood. I have found medication much much more helpful than any therapy
To try and answer your question I think you can find happiness but I am sure as you say your family has a lot to do with how you feel and behave.
I had a similar situation in that my parents just seemed to tolerate each other, were never particularly chatty, friendly or enjoyed doing anything together and they are still the same now I am in my mid forties. It does get me down a lot at times and I've feel ashamed about it. you sound like it has made you a stronger person to have got through it but it clearly bothers you and it would probably help you to talk with through with someone who understands.
It is difficult aswell not to have time to yourself when you have DCs ( how old are they) esp if your tendency is to worry about them most of the time, that's what I do anyway! What are your relationships like now with your parents/siblings? Do you feel like you are succeeding with your DCs where your family failed you?
Salbertina that's what happens to me when things go downhill I just withdraw because I can't cope and they either don't notice or don't care enough to bother. They are good friends because I've known them for 30 years tbh
Rm, was talking about me- my counsellor warns me against playing victim role, reverting to type so am extra wary. There may be a parallel for others, or not.
You have those friends though- they obviously think you're worth bothering with. Also MN. Where we are now i have plenty of acquaintances, no proper friends. A couple of good ones in the uk tho have been avoiding them - cant quite handle too much RL communication atm even by email
I suppose with the few friends I'm closest too they really do have warm loving families (not necessarily their parents) it is very apparant and it makes it even harder to try and reach out to them because it doesn't feel like a balanced friendship.
It's not about the victim mentality or bearing a cross it's the reality that when life gets too much I just drown silently because there isn't anyone to pick up the phone to and call.
Would you like to say what your parents behaviour was like when you were young?
Apologies if you have said about it elsewhere already.
And do you have a disability?
Well you're not alone,RM plenty of us in same boat. I understand what you mean about others (seemingly?) having more significant others, have generally felt that too. I try to fight it tho as don't want to feel victim any more than i already am. We
all have different crosses to bear and this is mine. Not easy though.
Nope because I was youngish when I ran away to uni and everyone thinks my family was good/perfect so how could I be in contact with my relatives and not my parents, it has cost me not having any family.
Emotionally I don't belong anywhere, ILs aren't interested, dh is emotionally distant and my few friends all have more significant family/friends in their lives because they are healthier than me and have those connections.
Some good posts here.
RandomMess, having no contact with parents is hard.
Do you have any other relatives to help at all?
When you say you dont belong anywhere, do you mean that in an emotional sense, or a physical sense, as iin you have moved around a lot and dont feel like any place is home?
I second the transactional analysis. It has changed my perspective and given me great tools for dealing with lives ups and downs. Mine was 35 per session.
I do think you can be happy in the future. I think the mind is a powerful thing. I think happiness is in part a decision.
I had a hard time growing up. I wasn't wanted by my family. I was often bullied and felt like a complete outsider. But I've been determined for the last 10 or 15 years that it wasn't going to make me miserable for the rest of my life.
I think my life still needs plenty of work. But I try and move towards the things that are positive and make me happy as much as possible. It's hard to recognise these things sometimes. Life is hard work. I used to be happy about 5% of the time, ok 20% and miserable 75%. Now I'm happy about 50% of the time and rarely miserable. I don't think anybody can expect to be happy all the time.
I think self-help books work, good friends, talking, counselling maybe, doing things you love doing, getting enough sleep, eating well. Don't let the actions of others get you down. Don't rely on anybody else for your happiness. You can be in charge of you own emotions and the way you feel about yourself. Treat yourself as you would a really good friend and be kind.
OP - I wish you lots of happiness in the year ahead.
I've had lots of psycotherapy and because I hold down a job I no longer qualify for help on the NHS. I'm no contact with my parents which has helped in some ways but it doesn't change the fact I am on my own I don't belong anywhere all my good friends have loving family and closer friends etc etc Im just a billy no mates when push comes to shove, no amount of therapy will change that.
Hoffman - not a quick fix in that you have to give yourself over it to 100%, you are totally stripped bare in a safe, communal environment. No crutches, no phone, tv, Internet, books, newspapers, booze...
Everything you do for 8 days is therapy, other than sleeping and eating. You don't really have a down time. It sounds a bit cultish but isn't.
Think for me it was a chance to start again, it's like all my buttons have been disabled, my parents push them but I don't respond. That gives you choices in how you progress with your life, you are no longer trapped in your childhood. The Hoffman process talks about patterns and stopping negative patterns, that allows you to build new loving patterns. I can't change my patterns but I can change how I react to them.
Have you tried therapy, Rm, in particular transactional analysis? Much focus on critical parent, games people play, conditional love etc. Helped me a lot.
My struggling is that I know I have no-one to rely on ever, if the chips are down I don't have anyone to turn to.
I am disconnected from others generally, I have long term depression and apparantly a very very critical internal voice (thanks parents!)
Oliver James a fan, called it a quick fix.. Too good to be true??
Ive also heard good things about Hoffman, not cheap tho but then neither is therapy...
ededum Wed 26-Dec-12 17:52:14
"I did not have an unhappy childhood as such, I was we'll cared for but my parents were very into their lives and I was deeply lonely, a very adult, self sufficient childhood. As a teenager I dranK a lot, took drugs etc..
I recognise that knawing depression, which is always there. For me it was an idea of never being good enough, never asking for help and not believing that anyone was interested in me and what I had to say. I functioned well, achieved etc... But I was always disconnected."
I could have written your post ededum
I'm glad you found help and I will look up the Hoffman process, thank you.
And Million is v wise also! ( waves hello)
Jf- don't beat yourself up for that, many people feel that, only natural, i reckon. Again those wise buddhist talk about the impermanence of everything...
hmm. I just googled for websites on how to enjoy today, and couldnt find any good ones.
The thing is your tomorrow has come, and it is actually nice.
Perhaps if you are feeling happy or content right now, you could put a tick in a book. And when you get another happy or content moment or time, you put that in the book too. And so on.
Op- i also cd have written that, completely get what you're saying.
However, i think (western/movie) cultural push to strive for happiness is, at best, misguided, at worst deeply damaging. As others have said, aiming for the
very occasional spark of sudden contentment is more realistic, imho.. The buddhist view that Life IS suffering-disease, ageing, death makes much sense to me and is strangely comforting.. Ditto yrying to be mindful and living in tge moment as far as possible.
I say all this but
am a miserable cow fail much of the time. Is a good philosophy of life though. Dont know if that helps.
I can't even do that as I panic immediately what it isn't going to last .
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