The 5:2 thread number 37 - Having our cake (batter off the spoon: 15 calories per lick - thanks MFP!) and eating it too (tomorrow).

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BetsyBell Wed 22-Jan-14 16:25:26

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a TDEE calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV/LSV = Non scale victory/Lifestyle (change) victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

Other Threads
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Tips and Links : Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

Inspirational: eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

Recipes: frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Exercise: bigchocfrenzy has an incredibly informative and helpful exercise and fitness thread for discussion and advice on combining 5:2 with an exercise regime.

Maintaining: If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Other links
This is a BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.

This Telegraph article comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

This blog post gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this article appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

ELR Wed 22-Jan-14 16:31:24

Ooh I'm first!?,

ELR Wed 22-Jan-14 16:32:00

Sorry will now go back and fill up the old thread!! Thanks betsy

frenchfancy Wed 22-Jan-14 17:04:05

Thread 37 already, my that was quick. Well done Betsy

MrsFlorrick Wed 22-Jan-14 17:31:38

thanksthanks
Back later.

Phew, I blinked and found we've nearly filled thread 36.
Thanks Betsy
flowers wine

RavenousRunner Wed 22-Jan-14 17:52:50

Hello all, fancy meeting you here!

AngieM2 Wed 22-Jan-14 18:32:37

Marking place. Love the title.

TalkinPeace Wed 22-Jan-14 21:52:53

tee hee

vvviola Wed 22-Jan-14 22:15:58

Marking my place. Lunch with DH might be cancelled because of work pressures so am a few hours into my FD now smile

farrowandballs Wed 22-Jan-14 23:35:19

Marking place. Been ill in hospital - am fine and recovering but not gonna fast for a couple weeks but I enjoy the thread so will be lurking.

Farrow Hope you'll soon be 100% fighting fit again and FDing with us !
flowers

hopefulgum Thu 23-Jan-14 00:27:49

marking my place, will post on old thread.

DottiestDoris Thu 23-Jan-14 06:49:28

Marking my place having just posted on previous post about being stupid and giving myself a hangover when it's an fd today. D'oh.

ShyGirlie Thu 23-Jan-14 06:55:30

so happy im posting on both threads cos i wont get back online for a while (work)

just weighed - 4lb off!!! hurrah!!! FD here i come in high spirits!!smile grin

Eatriskier Thu 23-Jan-14 07:07:38

thanks for betsy for the thread and farrow to get better soon

Well done shy.

Not so well done doris wink

mscnile Thu 23-Jan-14 07:37:37

Just updated on old thread, they seem to be filling up faster and faster!
Good luck Thursday fasters!
Thanks for new thread Betsy.

Southeastdweller Thu 23-Jan-14 08:25:26

Love, love, love the title Betsy, one reason of several why this WOL is so wonderful smile.

BetsyBell Thu 23-Jan-14 08:30:51

Get well soon farrow x

Just tidied up the old thread so post post post away!

So, who's fasting today? <puts up hand>

Oh dotty, this is going to be a tough one for you.

I'd love to know who weighed a lick of cake batter to get the calorie count!

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 08:35:26

Thanks for the new thread betsy.

toffee I don't know you and I'm new here, but can I just say...I'm so proud of you if iyswim! It sounds like this has been a hard fought battle that you're finally winning...which also gives me great hope! Well done you!

And well done shy

2nd FD of the week for me, harder than usual because it's totm and I know there are still cupcakes left. I only want sugar at my totm, the rest of the time I've got no interest really and would rather have cheese-related salty goods.

Help! What can I eat for dinner on a FD when, for once, all I want is sweetness!?!?! I have nothing in my cupboards for that...cous cous, salad, veg, salmon, soup...I don't want any of that good stuff...I want crap sugar; I don't want good chocolate...just crud.

I know this will pass in just a few hours and I will try to wait it out. I think I will eat a lot of bubblegum and drink gallons of buttermint tea today.

I will not break. Determined grin

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 08:40:18

Ha...love the title betsy I think I was just shocked and also a little relieved to find others as mad as me had counted 'licked the spoon' and put it on MFP...and then Toffee confirmed our collective madness by counting one sprout!

Now, they just need to add 'accidental moderate lickage of fingers while making toddler toast and peanut butter, crunchy'

BetsyBell Thu 23-Jan-14 08:53:02

Zed That would be a good one! '1 heaped spoon of nutella furtively scoffed whilst no one is looking' would be appropriate for me at times grin

Mind you, I worked out a few threads ago the calorie count for 1 chunk of roasted butternut squash so the madness takes us all! Sometimes I imagine us all looking at things like in Sherlock but with the calorie counts flashing up instead of clues.

Breadandwine Thu 23-Jan-14 09:09:53

Thanks, Betsy!

Only our lovely Toffee could be embarrassed about announcing her weight loss on these threads!

Bloody well done, girl! flowersflowersflowersflowersflowers

You need to celebrate this with a bingey weekend! You deserve it!

And don't forget to give yourself an extra sprout!

grin

ErrolTheDragon Thu 23-Jan-14 09:24:31

I noticed how often I was saying I was a 'white tea addict' so this morning started the day with a couple of mugs of hot water and then two black coffees - one before shred, the other before my extra planks and inclined press-ups. Usually I hate black coffee, but DH had a taster pack from Whittards at xmas, the strength 2 Costa Rica was too mild for him but is drinkable black. The second mug I added a dash of cinnamon and it was almost pleasant.

almostthereagain Thu 23-Jan-14 09:27:43

Well done toffee shygirl & hopeful Hope I haven't missed anybody, I think I'm going to start taking notes when I catch up on the thread!
Thanks betsy Love the Sherlock ideagrin
Am 1/4 lb off pre Christmas weight this am so after 3 weeks of healthy/mindful eating & not shifting anything I have lost almost all 4lbs excess in 2 proper fasts Yay me (sorry) blush
Any advice as to how best to proceed today. Post 2nd fast, still not hungry since eating at 5pm last night. Should I put off or have b'fast?
Happy fasting thursday fasters.

AngieM2 Thu 23-Jan-14 09:27:57

I'm fasting today but dont fancy it really. Thursday fasts are so much harder, especially when you've only had one NFD inbetween. Plus, woke up with a sore throat so will see how it goes. Plus, weighed in and gained the one pound since yesterday which has pissed me off! I know, I know, dont weigh every day (slaps self across face). I need to stop moaning, turn phone off, walk upstairs to gym class and get on with it!

almostthereagain Thu 23-Jan-14 09:32:04

Get well soon farrow

curveballs Thu 23-Jan-14 09:45:25

Morning! Just marking place. Will catch up on thread later. Hope Everyone well

ELR Thu 23-Jan-14 09:55:38

Morning all, wow what fab losses everyone! Such a chirpy bunch this morning it's lovely to read.

I'm fasting today, not sure how I will go, got a lady coming at 12 for a private cooking lesson so not sure if I should eat something before or not! I'm showing her how to make minestrone soup and simple tomato bruschetta so may just have a small portion minus the bruschetta when she goes at 1pm.

Hope everyone had a good day today fasters and non fasters.....

RavenousRunner Thu 23-Jan-14 09:59:33

Have given up on FD today - woke up starving and inexplicably two pounds up on yesterday, despite having eaten very little due to being busy. Fell out with DH (apparently I didn't cuddle him last night. He agreed that I was sound asleep, but this is no excuse, and clearly this means I don't love him and am being cold. Argh.), and realised that my mood was disastrously low and I felt seriously incapable of coping with the day from hell that awaits. Had two slices of seeded toast with natural peanut butter and a small banana, and feel a bit cheerier. Skinny latte now, will try to go lightly for the rest of the day, but this cold rain is doing me in. So focus for the day will be on nutrition rather than calories, in hopes that I'll start feeling better soon.

I know I'm going to be jealous of how well everyone else is feeling by the end of the day! Good luck to all.

turkeybaby Thu 23-Jan-14 09:59:35

Has taken me all morning to catch up with the thread. Well done to all the successes this week. And its lovely to hear of those who are getting somewhere with this after such difficulties in the past.
I'm having my next FD tomorrow so just checking in to the new thread and getting updated on how everyone is doing this week.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 10:07:16

Thank you zedzedzed. I only have DH to tell me he is proud of me (I have no family other than him and the kids) so thank you. Appreciated it very much. Vey glad I counted one sprout grin.

Thank you Breadandwine. I am so happy today. I have spicy parsnip soup to lok forward to for lunch and thanks to it being a Mary Berry recipe she has put in the calories too. flowers for Mary. Currently making oat and linseed bread top enjoy with the soup.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 10:09:20

RavenousRunner - hang in there. It can take a few days for a good FD to show on the scales. Tell your DH to stop being a numpty. Enjoy some lovely food today and try again another day.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 10:19:28

I have a question. I put my weight into MFP and it said to update as 10lbs + lost since last loss. It has upped my calories from about 1740 to 1940. Is that right? It is set to maintenance but why does it want me to eat more when I weigh less? confused[thick emoticon].

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 10:23:51

Is it still set to sedentary?

Are you taller than before??

Did you have the wrong weight in before?

Doh! MFP is temperamental.

Eatriskier Thu 23-Jan-14 10:25:46

toffee go back and double check everything. I've found sometimes it goes funny especially if you use the website and mobile versions. Just check your height and weight is correct, the exercise is on the right level and that it's on maintain still.

RavenousRunner Thu 23-Jan-14 10:26:39

Thanks Toffee - I think I'm accurately assessing that I don't want to eat for the wrong reasons, but because I really need it. Having had a decent breakfast has made me feel much more in control, so I may even have my planned FD lunch rather than anything more.

DH is the king of the bloody numpties!

Eatriskier Thu 23-Jan-14 10:27:21

Also, if you use both website and mobile versions then repeat the process on both as they sometimes overwrite and sometimes don't.

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 10:32:23

Buttermint tea has cals?! 2 cals a cup only, but still...

BiscuitBribery Thu 23-Jan-14 10:34:21

Hi all! Been stalking the last thread this week and thought I'd join in on the shiny new one!

I'm 14st 4lbs, down from 15st1 but I'm looking to improve my health, not just lose weight so, here I am!

I had my first FD on Monday and second yesterday, both just under 500 with around 20hrs liquid only each time. Came in just under my TDEE on Tuesday. Going to break my 16 hour fast now....FOOOOOD grin

CinammonGirl Thu 23-Jan-14 10:35:52

Struggling with FD today. So bloody hungry! Very tired after DD's 5am start and feeling very fed up. A one off day where we have nothing planned and nobody coming over, no car to go anywhere and can't even go for a walk due to the stupid rain! DH has a works leaving do straight after work and the endless hours are stretching out ahead of me sad DD is perfectly happy munching on a cereal bar and watching Dumbo.

Sorry for the moan!! Not going to give in to hunger because I know I'd then feel even worse.

BiscuitBribery Thu 23-Jan-14 10:36:29

Oh, I forgot, my target is 11st which will bring me down to the coveted 'healthy' BMI category.

BsshBossh Thu 23-Jan-14 10:38:03

Well done all losers, especially Toffee because you're definitely smashing through that plateau. What have you done differently do you think (if anything)?

Fasters who are finding today tough, either hang in there and think about all the goodies you can eat tomorrow or (those who have given up) just fast another day or do a mini fast today - this WOE is flexible.

thanks Betsy for the thread.

FD for me today too.

BsshBossh Thu 23-Jan-14 10:40:27

zed when I was logging everything in MFP I counted all black teas/coffees and all herb teas as 2 cals each. But I've seen some counts for plain black coffee as high as 10 cals!

PavlovsCats Thu 23-Jan-14 10:40:47

Is there anywhere that sells buttermint tea? I don't want to spend a lot before I know if I like it cupboard full of delicious sounding but rank tasting teas but I would like to give it a go....

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 10:48:34

Okay, everything is right but I am set to lightly active. Does it need to be sedentary?

PavlovsCat - if I see some in the shop I will buy it and send you a sachet. If you like it I will send the rest and if not I will send it to someone else who does like it, if you like.

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 10:50:25

It's listed as Twinings Buttermint Sensations in the tea section, Tesco sell it.

Yeah, Bsssh I'm counting EVERYTHING still, just to make sure there are no surprises. I'll chill in a few months if everything's heading down and just add 100cals each day for black drinks and finger licks!

ErrolTheDragon Thu 23-Jan-14 10:51:00

Cinnamon (and anyone else beset by rain) - it was foul first thing here but its cleared up, just checked the forecast and it should be fine everywhere this afternoon - so hopefully you'll be able to get out later on.

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 10:51:46

Stuck in the house on a rainy FD with cupcakes in my tin, totm cramps and Nigella cooking cloud cake on telly...total FD madness...more tea!!

graceholl Thu 23-Jan-14 10:51:53

Errol how are you finding the shred? (assume you are talking 30 day) Really tempted to do it, but worried that as I am still v big, I might do myself some harm or crash through into the neighbour's flat below..

Toffee amazing news on your loss. Makes me a bit envy, tho I'm avoiding scales after last week's 'blockage'...and a few bingey NFDs!

FD round these parts today. Had a coffee and feeling fine at the moment, few hunger pangs but otherwise ignoring it! Good luck all on FDs today. x

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 10:54:55

Yes, xpost errolsunshine forecast this afternoon...will be heading out to the sand play park...if it's not turned to soup. There're adult workout machines there I can mess about on too.

toffee I have mine on sedentary as I'd rather not have any exercise allowance in case I have a day like today stuck at home.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 10:55:07

BsshBossh - no idea what I am doing differently. Maybe eating enough on NFD? I did some exercise last week. 2-3 goes on the Wii and 1 hour walk, lots of water as usual and had a word with myself. I reminded myself how well I have done (2 stone off since July 2012 with Diet chef, exercise and now 5:2) and that I do not want to be unhealthy any more.

PavlovsCats Thu 23-Jan-14 10:56:43

Toffee that sounds great,thank you very much, that's a very kind offer grin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 10:57:19

Back to 1740 which I am happy with. 1940 felt too much.

CinammonGirl Thu 23-Jan-14 11:00:22

Thanks errol fingers crossed we'll get out for a walk then - DD loves a muddy puddle or two! Have had a cupof tea and givgiven myself a kick up the arse - I can do this, its just a day!

BiscuitBribery Thu 23-Jan-14 11:03:58

Argh! Really finding it hard to eat properly on NFD! The guilt!

My FD was a massive struggle yesterday too, I kind of hid from it, lots of reading and playing with DD. As many distractions as possible smile

ErrolTheDragon Thu 23-Jan-14 11:12:10

grace - this is my third time round the shred since last summer.

There are modifications to some of the moves, and you use whatever weights allow you to do the moves with good form so it's really not that bad. You can find the first level on youtube if you want to get an idea what's involved. If you decide to give it a go, the January shred thread is here for advice and encouragement.

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 11:20:11

biscuit I do to. What's helping me is counting my NFD calories on MFP and concentrating on QUALITY food and good nutrition...so good sirloin steak or quality duck or organic chicken...WITH skin, expensive blue cheese, nuts and seeds, fancy pate, olive oil, dense chocolate puds etc. I eat those things with loads of green veg on NFDs and they seem so satisfying after a FD and still come in under TDEE as you don't need the QUANTITY when you're mindfully eating quality highly nutritious foods.

Good luck, keep on trucking.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 11:27:22

smile PavlovsCats.

Just had a panic. I was kneading my bread when my arm just would not move. Two fingers were bent back with me not being able to move them. I couldn't use my arm at all and was already worrying about getting the children from school. Fortunately after a few minutes it went back to normal but it really scared me. In other news the bread is okay grin.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 11:31:42

BiscuitBribery - no guilt needed. If you didn't eat and drink you would die. See? No need for the guilt. Enjoy your food, make good choices and only eat what you really enjoy.

I don't feel guilty about a splash of olive oil on pasta or lurpak on some crackers. I don't buy anything labelled diet or low fat now. I am going to eat less calories but better quality and more natural food.

I have soup simmering on the hob and bread resting in the airing cupboard and calorie wise it will be soup - 147 and the bread - 126 per 50g slice.

Toffee Great SV, you totally smashed through that plateau and you are charging full pelt towards your target.

It also sounds like you have a good relationship with food now. Maybe eating enough on FDs helped your bod realise there is no famine and it's OK to release some stored fat.

flowers flowers flowers

Don't be shy about sharing good news. We all love to hear when someone is succeeding.

ShyGirlie Well done on your weight loss too. You're on your way to a new you.

RavenousRunner Thu 23-Jan-14 11:48:55

Lunch out again today - eyeing the baked salmon with veg broth and braised fennel. May manage a mini-fast after all!

Anyone have good suggestions for relatively nutritious/not too sugary baked things? DS2 and I like to bake on Saturday, but after last week's giant choc chip cookies (these: http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/4807/best-big--fat--chewy-chocolate-chip-cookies.aspx - we cut the sugar a bit - they were AMAZINGLY good) I think maybe something with less sugar/more fibre/a bit of fruit might be a good idea!

Dotty342kids Thu 23-Jan-14 11:51:05

Morning all! Sorry, been woefully absent this last week. No excuses other than being busy, but also having seen an unwelcome return to binge type eating behaviours so think I was subconsciously avoiding this thread so that I could merrily ignore all you good folk and your excellent advice blush
Anyway, I'm here again now. It's a usual Thursday fast for me and thankfully a long hairdressers apt this afternoon followed by trip to take son to dentist will keep me well away from temptation. Then it's Nigella's Thai red lentil and butternut squash curry for dinner, with one chapatti, which I love.
Looks like lots of you are doing well which is great news grin

farrowandballs Thu 23-Jan-14 11:56:50

THanks for all the well wishes everyone. I had a DVT in my arm - so painful! my arm went navy blue and hugely swollen and numb. Anyway all fine now - have lots of blood thinning drugs etc and swelling is slowly going down and pain diminishing. but reading toffees post made me wanna say - watch your arm!
I am feeling so disappointed and frustrated by being ill. I really wanna get back on the fasting - I loved it! I'm going to mum's today to use her scales - I was late to weighing so haven't had a proper weight check since starting. If there is a SV I am going to eat super healthily and mindfully and check with my consultant at the blood clinic whether I can resume 5:2 and yoga.
COngrats to everyone on the SVs and NSVs - this thread gives me so much hope about this WOE - can't wait to get back on it with you all!

BiscuitBribery Thu 23-Jan-14 11:58:39

Thanks Toffee and ZZZ, that's really helpful! Writing my shopping list today, mmm smile

BiscuitBribery Thu 23-Jan-14 12:00:18

Oh Farrow, that sounds grim! Glad you're on the mend now.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 23-Jan-14 12:01:54

<slinks into thread>

Hi everyone - some of you might remember me being on the thread back in the autumn. It has all gone spectacularly wrong over Christmas and I've piled on 10lbs+ sad Part of it is down to the medication I am on, but that is no excuse and I feel dreadful. Heavy, lethargic, unhealthy. Yuck yuck.

So this week I am back to the 5:2. First fast day today. Doing well so far, just a coffee with a teeny splash of milk.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 12:06:18

RR - I have a thread where I am posting tasty things and if it is a muffin recipe you can safely add just half the sugar and I have found my children can't tell any difference even if I have made them previously with the full amount. Today I have made magic lemon pudding courtesy of Mary Berry and it has 90g of caster sugar in though I have to admit I have no idea if that is high or not.

Alibab smile I remember you and we have chatted lots in the past when I had a different name. Don't worry. It is done now and you are back where you belong and we will all help you brew.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 12:09:23

farrow - sorry I missed your post as I have doing three things at once as usual. That sounds awful! I hope you are okay now.

It did scare me I must admit and I have no idea what went on. I think I have fibromyaligia and my DH bought me an exercise ball but I can't get the hang of it at all.

lubeybooby Thu 23-Jan-14 12:17:54

oooh thread 37.

FD for me today

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 23-Jan-14 12:31:46

Oh have we Toffee? I wonder who you are? grin

farrow that sounds horrid, glad you are on the mend.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 12:33:08

grin we have always had a fabulous time chatting wink.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 23-Jan-14 12:44:17

wink have PMd you

Runlikeareindeer Thu 23-Jan-14 13:05:16

Hello, been away a while. Work has been crazy and did has been poorly, chest infection, febrile seizures, chest xrays and then hand foot and mouth!

But I have made it below 11st! Fasting going really well at moment. I have started having the Innocent veg pots or sainsbury equivalent, as they are yummy, filling and the calories are already counted! It has really stopped me doing that picking in the afternoon and evening.

I also shifted my fast days kept ,Monday, but changed to Thursday. Having two NFDs in between seems to help with second fast day.

TalkinPeace Thu 23-Jan-14 13:10:17

Amazing how chatty hungry people can be!

Welcome newcomers. This is a lovely --if rather hatstand- place.
Welcome back Alibaba

(( farrow )) look after yourself

just remember
NO SNACKING
DRINK MORE WATER
CLENCH
grin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 13:36:28

That sounds so scary Runlikeareindeer. Hope everything settles down now and well done on getting under 11 stone. I am 11 2 so catching up with you grin.

Just had soup and bread. Delicious and only 417 including a small drink of lemonade. I am being very precise with my calories and have 1055 left shock. Might have something else to eat.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 23-Jan-14 13:44:56

Just had my lunchtime miso. No tea yet today, not quite so addicted as I thought grin

Breadandwine Thu 23-Jan-14 14:04:01

can't even go for a walk due to the stupid rain!

CinamonGirl, don't let the rain put you off going for a walk! I know, from my cycling to work days, that if you're prepared for whatever comes your way, and you're in the right rain gear - and wrapped up properly underneath - that you get a virtuous feeling out of beating the elements! Even if it's just a quick dash around the block you'll get the blood moving - and chances are you'll go a bit further afield!

And make up silly songs as you go! My daughter still remembers, 25 years later, the words we made up to go with Dvorak's Humoresque:

"Here I come to tickle your tum, and smack your brother on the bum - and do the same to yoouur mum!"

Etc, etc, etcetera! grin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 14:28:32

I read something in the paper today that said being cold can help you lose weight.

I also read a letter from someone saying the 5:2 is crap and we are all silly for doing it.

I will embrace my silliness while enjoying being 11 stone 2 and no longer obese or over weightgrin.

ELR Thu 23-Jan-14 14:44:33

toffee DH posted that article on nay facebook page as I'm always turning the heating up!!
Well kind of a little fail but I'm blaming my client! Instead of making bruschetta with her I showed her how to make cheese and courgette scones intending for her to take them all away with her, but she only took six and left four for me! So I had a nice bowl of the minestrone but also a scone! So that's 175 calories I could of done with out but hey oh, worked out my dinner tonight and will come in at around 680 so not too bad!!

farrowandballs Thu 23-Jan-14 14:52:34

Just logging my first SV - lost 2lb so now 11st 9. Got a long way to go (esp as I can't 5:2 for a bit) but yay! a loss!

CheshireSplat Thu 23-Jan-14 14:57:56

Hello all. Thanks for the clench reminder Talkin. I've clenched!

FD for me too today. Normally find 2nd one harder (as just 1 NFD in between) but feel fine this week. And just remembered I hadn't had a cup of tea today and normally I will have had 4 or 5 by now. So that's gotta be good for me!

craggyhollow Thu 23-Jan-14 15:34:27

First FD for months here

Have to lose 7lbs quickly, then another 7 slowly

Today I've had coffee, tea, water
Just eaten a poached egg and one of those tiny tins of baked beans (about 180 calories?)

Have a glorious skinny soup for later (90 cals per portion but will eat whole pot so 180) and a yogurt.

The days are fine, the evenings /nights are hellish

TalkinPeace Thu 23-Jan-14 15:38:40

craggy
make up a sign .... "the kitchen is closed" : put it on the door at 7.30 pm

Not2bObvious Thu 23-Jan-14 15:50:50

Afternoon all. Finished my meetings and now waiting for flight home. Feeling vvv low with work/life at the min and would sink into a bottle of wine when I get home only I realised my "plateau" this month is probably due to some miscalculations on the mfp wine calories(and drinking your emotions isn't greatconfused)
Someone posted a formula for wine cals which seems probably in keeping with actual cals since but general logic the higher % the higher the cals, as manufacturers don't offer the info, it looks like I may have been missing out recording around half the cals! Over the weeks, adding on my dreadful choc/crisps habit, it would explain my maintenance. And knowing what I know now, I should be grateful I haven't gained. Have to ditch the chocolate as well, it's playing havoc with my bowels, tmi sorrublush Dreadfully bound up over Xmas and so far this year, and the one commonality is between Xmas and January blues, I've been a choc'hog. Can't wait to get home and go to bed, cover my head and start afresh tomorrow. FD at the least is going ok, shout out to all my fellow Thursday fd'ers!

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 15:59:21

Not 2, have you got the MFP mobile thingy? It has a barcode scanner, sometimes good for double checking cals.

Yeah, damned alcohol is a depressant, not a stimulant in terms of your moods, so you're bang on about eating/drinking your emotions being a crap idea. Poor you.

Sorry everything feels crud just now, it sounds like you know exactly what you need to do to feel better but can't quite face it yet. I hope today's successful FD gives you a wee boost. X

diabolo Thu 23-Jan-14 16:25:13

Hello - long time lurker here.

I managed to lose 21lbs in 5 months following 5:2 in early 2013, unfortunately my bad habits (a love of bread, crisps and other savouries) crept back over Autumn and Christmas time, so I've been 5:2ing for the last 3 weeks and have managed to lose 7lbs already.

Feeling great - there's nothing like seeing that weight slowly come down to keep me motivated.

smile

BsshBossh Thu 23-Jan-14 16:32:27

Three quarters of the way through my FD. Just herb tea, black coffee and water all day. I have soup and a slice of lightly-buttered wholemeal planned for dinner. My fast day mantra is always, "I can have it tomorrow!" so I've been daydreaming about cake (Victoria sponge or carrot cake), cheese and ham toasted croissant, and sweet potato falafals (from Waitrose). I doubt I'll have all those things (though you never know!) but the thought keeps me going! I'm only 1.6 lbs away from my goal weight so I'm super motivated right now smile

Welcome diabolo and other newcomers. Welcome back Alibaa - I remember you smile

How are you other fasters doing?

CinammonGirl Thu 23-Jan-14 16:40:41

breadandwine yes we did end up wrapping up warm and going for a walk, felt much better for it smile FD almost done!

TalkinPeace Thu 23-Jan-14 16:41:04

Not2obvious A bottle of wine is around 600 to 700 calories, champagne is lower
but booze is not the way to deal with stress shall practice what I preach one day yoga is definitely better

fast going OK today.

have mixed fish in for supper
kids will have theirs with a white sauce, carrots and a bit of pasta
DH and I will have ours on stir fried veg with a ginger and sweet chilli sauce

makes a change from soup or eggs

Eatriskier Thu 23-Jan-14 16:41:22

Got my first coffee at 12:30. Hmmmmmm coffee.

mscnile Thu 23-Jan-14 16:48:29

quick wave, dashing through, what a busy day, topped off by a speeding fine in the post from my work trip earlier this week grrr

Good calorie day so far though, plenty left for indulgent NFD supper with wine grin

Southeastdweller Thu 23-Jan-14 17:04:24

Welcome back Alibaba. I remember you from when we chatted about our mutual love about Green & Blacks. It won't take long before you're back on track with our help smile.

graceholl Thu 23-Jan-14 17:04:48

Gawwwd I'm starved today. Think it may be because yesterday and day before were fairly bingey NFDs and my tummy is SO rumbly at work...doesn't help the comments! ('it will never work' bla bla)

Off to gym at 6.30 so hopefully that will suppress!

hope everyone else is doing well today!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 23-Jan-14 17:13:45

Thanks for the welcome back smile

I've done ok today, I had two satsumas earlier so I've got plenty left for a nice tea of fishcakes and vegetables with a side salad.

Sooooo hungry.

BiscuitBribery Thu 23-Jan-14 17:14:41

It sounded like my stomach was plugged into an amplifier yesterday Grace blush
I've not told anyone I'm doing it yet because of the cynical opinions about 5:2, I was critical about the idea too until I became curious enough to research into it. I'll wait until they notice the changes grin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 17:16:21

Definitely good not to drink, or eat, your emotions. I have done that for years (eating, not the drinking) and am over it now with the help of everyone on here flowers.

Just enjoyed a piece of garlic bread with the kids and a half slice of oat and linseed bread and for once I have not listening to TiP saying no snacking grin. I will have baked fish and salad later with DH as I enjoyed it so much last night.

Planned to fast again tomorrow but will see how I feel.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 17:19:09

Have a drink of water Alibaba.

BetsyBell Thu 23-Jan-14 17:47:56

Just wrapped up fast day with a highly spicy and flavoursome prawn and veg Thai green curry.

Been an easy one today - if a Thursday one is straight forward it usually means I've been over-eating in the week. And that is definitely the case this week. Hooray for fast days! Compensating for over-munching grin

It's a bit early though - early night perhaps?!

craggyhollow Thu 23-Jan-14 18:02:39

Two spoons of beef stew to check flavouring blush

curveballs Thu 23-Jan-14 18:13:06

Whoop whoop, and another Lil whoop for good measure - back in the 13 stone something club by 1/2 lb grin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 18:28:05

I was going to fast again tomorrow but DS2 is desperate for lasagne. I love it too so think I will fast all day and then have a smaller portion...

DH having chips with his 2 pieces of haddock. I am having salad with my one piece and maybe not even the 3 chips I planned. The thought of carbs is giving me virtual tummy ache.

Eatriskier Thu 23-Jan-14 18:36:49

Well done curve

When are my dcs going to bed?!!?! Very tired today, just want to have dinner and go to bed myself. Unfortunately I can't do dinner until they're asleep. Well I can but DH may not appreciate it!

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 18:41:27

Whoop-whoop curve!

Just made a delicious hot salad of spring greens, purple broccoli, sugar-snap peas and red pepper, served with garlic, ginger, chilli and soy marinaded duck breast on top (shared among three of us, the duck was very rare and sliced super-fine, so all in under 200cals per portion). I had wild mushrooms in it too, but they were a mistake...too mushroomy. I also had two Ken Hom Dim Som (prawn & lemongrass, sesame & pork, 40cals each). Which means, after all my drinks...I have 120 cals left for bedtime munchies...hot chocolate and 2 biscuits I think.

Well done all fasters and losers.
NFD tomorrow...and there's still one cupcake left in the tin!

turkeybaby Thu 23-Jan-14 18:56:57

Well done to all you fasters today. Good to read your stories. Getting ready for my fast day tomorrow..by eating a lot wink

BiscuitBribery Thu 23-Jan-14 18:59:30

Oh wow, taken a screen shot of that ZZZ, sounds fantastic!

Well done Curve! That will be my first milestone this WOE, bet it feels great smile

craggyhollow Thu 23-Jan-14 19:06:16

I had a soup planned for this evening

But ended up having a couple more spoons of stew and lots of peas instead

No mash

Feel really full and a bit sick sad

curveballs Thu 23-Jan-14 19:09:35

Thanks guys. It sure does feel good biscuit. Loving this woe too grin
Now to tackle my new obsession - scale addiction

Zed how do you manage to make every meal you make so mouth watering? Think you should apply to write scripts for the m&s food ads!

Well done to all fasters today, you're nearly there!

I'm on NFD today and just about to cook a nice stir fry. Yum yum

If you need cheering up, a brisk walk outside often does the trick (if it's not pissing down and you've somewhere nice to walk)

Alternatively, on an NFD, some 85 or 90% cocoa dark choc can help increase the seratonin levels in the brain. The suggested dose is 25-30g. Milk choc just doesn't work the same and has too much sugar to be healthy.

Toffee I was so impressed with your system of muzzle inspections for BoyCat before he is allowed in the house. Any more mice today ?

He sounds a real character who deserves blog space. Maybe he could contribute a recipe for mouse tartare to your Moreish Food Thread ?
hmm

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 19:34:19

Aaw blush thanks curve and biscuit.

I'm trying very hard to use my powers for good and not evil, (if I can make a 2000 cal dinner taste good I should be able to make a 200 cal one taste good too; I'm just trying to re-learn what foods taste good already and not relying ONLY on tons of butter and oil and cheese to give flavour).

It's more effort, but if I'm going to do it for life it's no use relying on packets of artificial crap as I won't be able to live that way for long.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 19:35:18

No mice today, so far. Means nothing. Will probably have 10 tomorrow hmm. I have made a point of playing with GirlCat a lot today to tire her out. BoyCat hasn't played what with sleeping all day on my bed grin.

Recipe added shortly.

BsshBossh Thu 23-Jan-14 19:40:32

I think we need a zedzed recipe thread to complement Toffee's.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 19:41:18

Recipe added to my other thread smile.

Bumblebeejumble Thu 23-Jan-14 19:42:12

Hello everyone! Love reading all of your posts, it's like having a bunch of friends in my kitchen to stop me going nuts with the chocolate.

SV for me today, 1.1 kg lost since the last time I posted smile. That's more than 8kg since beginning of December. I know it's not great to weigh daily (mentally) but I find it keeps me on track. Off to break fd now, with bacon and egg! Nothing else in the house, and 3 pancetta rashers is only 100cal...

BiscuitBribery Thu 23-Jan-14 19:46:48

Zed, I'm totally guilty of the cheese/butter for flavour thing! Must rectify that.

Great losses Bumble! Well done!

TalkinPeace Thu 23-Jan-14 19:51:29

TiP is stuffed.
broke fast after 24 hours

stir fried veg (onions, peppers, carrots, celery, kale) some slices of fresh ginger, dash of chopped chilli and soy and a bundle of noodles between two of us
topped with steamed mixed fish and a dash of sweet chilli sauce.
not sure on MFP but can barely walk now.

Not2bObvious Thu 23-Jan-14 20:05:06

Home and fed, hit around 900 so mini fast not a full FD. But kept away from the wine and the kitchens now closed. Thanks for all the well wishes and advice guys, much appreciated. Have a v tough couple of weeks ahead in work but trying to just look at it day by day otherwise I might flip - ahh modern life, isn't it grand!

zedzedzed Thu 23-Jan-14 20:10:45

I love how everyone's so calm and satisfied sounding by this time of an evening...the 5pm posts get a bit desperate and arm gnawing don't they?

Yeah biscuit the fat carries the flavour, it's true.
BUT on this woe you're allowed fat...but I'm finding that with great power comes great responsibility; just because I CAN eat cheese-laden lard bread for dinner, doesn't mean I should.

But I'm loving being able to use full fat cheese, butter, yoghurt, oil, meat etc, all good, natural flavoursome ingredients without guilt...and more moderately so far as the counting on FDs seems to spill over to NFDs.

But there's still a cupcake in my tin...it calls to me, darkly muttering refined sugar and salted coffee caramel loveliness in my chubby wee ear...

I can have it tomorrow.

curveballs Thu 23-Jan-14 20:16:41

Not2be. I feel for you. I am also having a tough time work wise. So stressful. Monday I resorted to a drink and it was supposed to be on an FD, so you are doing better than me. Hope it gets less stressful for you soon.
I have taken to plotting how many weeks there are until my next non 5 day week (either because of annual leave or a bank holiday etc). Gives me something to look forward to, and makes work feel more manageable too.

I have a day off week after next and after that, it isn't long until Easter bank hols. Have plotted the whole year, and its helped me feel a lot better about it

BsshBossh Thu 23-Jan-14 20:21:45

A very good fast day for me today, which is unusual as I generally find Thursday fasts quite hard. I think it's because I ate more than I usually do yesterday so had more fuel in the tank today. Have broken a 22 hour LOF with half a banana and a handful of grapes. Am heating through a pan of veg soup with added broccoli florets right now which I may or may not have with a slice of lightly-buttered wholemeal bread.

Now three NFDs. Whoop.

Lilliput Thu 23-Jan-14 20:31:14

So this is my third week and my sixth fast day. This week has been ok. The hunger has been way better this week. I feel frozen today though, I quite often feel cold when 'dieting'.
I have 98 calories left for today so will have a decaf coffee and an apple before bed.
I shall weigh myself tomorrow.
What sort of weight loss are other people getting and do you feel cold?

BiscuitBribery Thu 23-Jan-14 20:34:06

I think I might make tomorrow a mini fast day. I feel up to it and I may as well make the most of it while it lasts! No chance of a 3rd FD though, Friday night's chilli night in the Biscuit residence! grin

Very true Zed!

Well done to all the FDers today!

Megrim Thu 23-Jan-14 20:42:26

I save a few calories to allow me sprinkle some Stilton on my salad.

I have also been cold all day - but it is 2 degrees out there (blerdy Scotland). Think we might get some snow.

Friday night is pizza night in the Meg house - homemade with whole meal dough base.

CinammonGirl Thu 23-Jan-14 20:43:57

liliput I always get cold when I'm really hungry and on FDs I'm cold all day unless I'm doing something like walking or housework etc. It's a FD here today so been cold most of the day! Roll on NFD tomorrow! smile

Bumblebeejumble Thu 23-Jan-14 20:45:20

Lilliput, yes I get FREEZING. Vest, tights, jeans, two cardis, personal heater next to my desk, old-lady knee blanket AND hot water bottle. Hands still cold. Worth it though, as I feel so much better for doing 5:2.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 23-Jan-14 21:01:05

I'm finding that starting the day with the shred, followed by bath or shower at some point gets me nice and warm even on FDs.

Did ok today, even though dinner not what I'd planned... so, the faulty boiler was fixed, but the massive reverberations as the thermal store refilled must have shaken something loose, started flooding the airing cupboard. Fortunately the DH had put extra lagging on it which absorbed most of it, and we were able to get British Gas engineer to come and fix it. But while I was stuck at home with him, DH went to pick up DD from her bus-stop... and his car wouldn't start for the return trip. RAC .. DD wasn't home till after 6pm, starving so I shared some Chinese food with her - but whereas she had a nest of noodles, I had a small amount of rice. Which left me with 40 cals so I've indulged in some Options caramel hot chocolate while waiting for my rescheduled weekly phone meeting with my boss.

BsshBossh Thu 23-Jan-14 21:16:31

Yes I definitely agree that a long hot soak in the bath really helps take the chills away, for quite a long time afterwards too. Difficult if you work in an office but fine for me as I work from home. I've even trained my 5 yo to let me have a bath if she's home. She then plays in her or our room and comes in to chat occasionally. Her stipulation is that I leave the door open smile

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Thu 23-Jan-14 21:19:12

So today's fast day was abandoned to practice making chocolate cupcakes with a ganache topping. There was no way I was going to managed a fast day while making ganache.

I don't think I'm patient enough for piping. Maybe I didn't leave it to cool for long enough but it looked a little melty once I'd piped it.

sorry worst topic ever for a fasting thread

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Thu 23-Jan-14 21:20:43

bssh I'm always cold and just love love love hot baths. I think so done said it is healthy to run "cool" rather than hot.

MazzleDazzle Thu 23-Jan-14 21:23:58

Hello! Finally here, though haven't had a chance to read the rest of the thread. Wonderful title by the way wink. Almost tempted to bake a cake just for the 15 cal spoon lick, but fear I wouldn't be able to resist the remaining batter!

I'm trying to stick to 16:8 on my NFD, which basically entails skipping breakfast and not eating after 8pm. Find that it really helps me come in under my TDEE.

This has been my most successful week since starting this WOL. I have ate mindfully on all of my NFDs, I've exercised more than I have in years and I've enjoyed treats guilt free because I'd accounted for them in my TDEE.

FD for me tomorrow before my weigh in on Sat. I cheated and had a peek sense a SV!

DorisAllTheDay Thu 23-Jan-14 21:37:25

Hello, may I join you? I've been on the edge of trying 5:2 for a few months now and finally got started a couple of weeks ago. I'd like to lose about a stone. I'm 5' 3" and about 10 stone at the moment - I don't want or need to be skinny, I just know that I feel better and I'm happier with how I look when I'm about 9 stone but it's a long time since I've been there. I recently lost quite a lot of weight but then I plateaued and haven't been able to shift the final stone. I hope that 5:2 will do the trick!

Aw, Toffee, thanks so much for giving me French Fries with my mouse tartare on your Moreish Recipe thread.
You are so creative: the tartare sounds absolutely delicious - I think I may become BigChocMouseFrenzy.
grin <--- <hungry face>
You are naughty though, tempting us all on an FD. No, my kitchen is now closed after 600 cals - I allow myself extra on the 2nd FD if I have trained.

Now I just need to borrow your BoyCat to catch a dozen mice - not much flesh on the little tykes. But they will be free range which is important to me
smile <--- <virtuous face>

Well done on your successful week, Mazzle. I noticed your industry on the exercise thread. Intensity seems to work for you - he demands money, though !

Great losses, Bumble

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 23-Jan-14 21:55:36

BCF - I wanted to make sure you had some carbs in case the protein was too small a portion. Unfortunately BoyCat appears too tired to go hunter gathering at the moment as he has been asleep for a couple of hours and awake now for ten minutes, and he is looking tired again. I will have a word.

TalkinPeace Thu 23-Jan-14 22:08:52

welcome Doris
when you can ignore the recipes, this is a great thread for supporting successful weight loss!!

MrsFlorrick Thu 23-Jan-14 22:48:24

Evening everyone. grin

Another FD here. Came in just over 600 but I'm claiming it anyway. wink

Two FDs this week but slightly over 500 on both-im blaming the colder weather. And two days over 1200 but waaaaay under TDEE.

Pat on the back because it TOMT and I've resisted the high cal mega choc frenzy.

But tomorrow will not be a FD!! Will be sensible during the day but tomorrow night wine and cheese will be involved. grin

Well done to all the NSV and SV!! So many amazing losses.

I forget who but someone lost 8kg since December. Wow! Well
Done. grin

Eatrisker. Fasting for a blood test without coffeeshockshock how did
You manage? As in without murdering anyone or collapsing. wink

hopefulgum Fri 24-Jan-14 00:01:56

Gosh MrsF, NFDs of 1200, that is very low. And you've resisted choc frenzy - fantastic NSV. Are you keeping NFDs low so you can eat more on the weekend?

I wonder about the NFDs and whether I need to be sure to eat up to TDEE, or close, to maintain weight loss? Or is under better? I know a lot of you "old timers"keep a deficit so you can indulge on weekends. How much should the total be for the week?

I wish I had lost 8kgs since December - well done to the PP who did!

I've been doing this,properly,since a week before Christmas, and my loss is only 1.5 kgs in total. Since I weighed myself last Friday (and I have only done one fast day) I have actually put on a kilo! How is that even possible, and that is after TOTM, and keeping track of TDEE and exercising? I feel let down and frustrated. I have measured, and my waist is up half an inch,and hips are exactly the same. Grr angry

I was really hoping for a steady and slow weight loss, half a kilo a week, but to put it on just seems bloody cruel. I have a lot of weight to lose - about 15 kilos to be in a healthy BMI range, but now I wonder if I am doing something wrong?

I am planning a fast day tomorrow, to make up for the missed one this week, maybe a weigh in on Sunday morning might bring good news?

I know fasting isn't all about losing weight, but it is certainly a big part of why I am doing it.

Oh well, will soldier on. I've made seeded gluten free bread for breakfast, so I am going to go and enjoy that now. There will be no guilt!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Fri 24-Jan-14 04:53:10

hopeful angry on your behalf at the weight gain. Maybe it's just a blip

Well today's fd has got off to a shit start. Dd vomited in bed at 3am so had to sort that out. It's a bit odd she doesn't seem sick at all, she's really cheerful.
Problem is its only 4.30am and I'm already hungry grin ahh well back to bed.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Fri 24-Jan-14 05:05:49

Scratch that - more puking.

curveballs Fri 24-Jan-14 06:37:51

Hopeful, good luck with your fast, and fingers crossed for the right result on the scales on Sunday. I am very new to this, but a lot of the posts I read advocate eating up to your tdee on NFD's to help weight loss. Perhaps you aren't eating enough? I hope you find the right balance for you soon and you start to see the results you are looking for

When she was bad, I really hope your dd is feeling better soon

curveballs Fri 24-Jan-14 06:53:16

Feeling a bit of a plonker as was wondering how everyone else uses all the other symbols. I thought I only had a few faces because I just use the mobile app. Who knew that if you just scroll across ... D'oh!!
Celebrating my new symbols by being a bit symbol trigger happy:

thanksthankswinewinewinebrewbrewbrewbiscuitenvygringrinbrewwinewinewinewinewinewinewinewinewinewinewine

hopefulgum Fri 24-Jan-14 07:02:46

OMG. I can't believe the bread I made was about 200 calories per slice. And the loaf is tiny. FFS, how can gluten free bread be so calorie dense?? I really need an alternative to toast for breakfast (even though I really love it - I think I'll have to save it for weekends only). Trouble is I can't eat eggs on their own (can cope with quiche, cake etc, but eggs all alone make me feel physically sick), so I find it hard to find food for breakfasts.

I know many of you do 16:8, which would solve that problem, but some mornings I wake up hungry and really want breakfast. I don't eat cereal either. I might have to see if I can find gluten free oats as I think porridge might be a good idea. Is it as calorie crazy as bread???

I have tried to work out my TDEE again. I put details into MFP which suggests that if I want to lose 10 kilos, I need to have 1400 calories a day. So I worked out that the weekly requirement is 9800, and if I have two days of 500, the rest,divied up into 5 equal amounts is 1760 per day. I have been eating 1700 on NFD's (but sometimes more when I exercise and put the exercise into the equation. Should I leave it out?)

I also had a look on the Fast Diet website and my TDEE (at my current weight, sedentary, is 1643 calories. For my goal weight of 66.5 kgs, I would be allowed 1523 calories on NFD's. It's lower than what I worked out on MFP. Which one should I do?

I am very confused, and not sure which one to follow. And, if I have put in "sedentary" but I exercise most days,moderately, should I then allow myself more calories on the days I exercise?

Advice much appreciated.

Off to read the Fast Exercise book now. Maybe that will help burn more fat? I live in hope. I'm tired of the fight, just want to lose the weight and feel good about my body.sad

BetsyBell Fri 24-Jan-14 07:22:19

hopeful DON'T PANIC! Weight loss isn't a straight line and there will always be fluctuations up as well as down. It's a blip or maybe even a little plateau while your body adjusts to the weight lost so far.

Just ask toffee smile

I don't calorie count I'm afraid so can't help you there. I do know that weight loss isn't as simple as calories in vs calories out though and there are various reasons why our bodies are sometimes bigger and heavier than we expect - usually water retention.

Reasons for retaining water:
Totm
Increased salt intake
Sugar/carb intake
Exercise

There's probably others too.

You are doing all the right things to get yourself fit, healthy and lean. Keep at it and you will see results. The trend will be downward but it's never a perfect line.

Keep the faith hopefulgum smile

BetsyBell Fri 24-Jan-14 07:26:10

hopefulgum your bread is not just calorie dense, it is nutrition dense - don't not eat it, you love it and its good for you. You can eat it on NFDs guilt-free!

Eatriskier Fri 24-Jan-14 07:30:41

hopeful

tmi question have you evacuated properly recently? I tend to find an upward blip on the scales is usually accompanied by a large scale evacuation I wasn't expecting or I need to help myself along a bit (which I can feel and know).

Wrt tdee, you should really try to eat near to it but if you feel you can't eat to it for what others are suggesting and go against dieting 'advice' : use butter, cream, nut toppings, cheeses, avocados, milk based coffees. The healthy calorie bombs. I doubt being 100 under will make much difference overall though so if you feel mentally better try it, but make it more a target to hit than to stay under iyswim.

Finally bread and brekkie. I'm similar to you with lack of ideas and needing something, but I enjoy my deviant porridge and don't find it makes me hungrier especially with a nut topping! I've been far better overall by avoiding normal breads in the main, my tummy really appreciates it. I do use Warburtons thins and Danish bread though and find them both more than acceptable both tummy and eating wise. Occasionally I treat myself to soda bread, which is roughly 225 call for 1/4 loaf (100g) which is plenty!

Eatriskier Fri 24-Jan-14 07:37:51

mrsf my head was pounding, and the 50 min wait nearly tipped me over the edge. As did the 5 min queue in Costa afterwards. The feeling I had once the coffee was in me though grin grin grin. I am a complete addict!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 07:39:08

Well done on your NSV MrsF!

Hang in there hopefulgum. I put a few pounds on and in my case I am sure it was because I wasn't eating enough on NFD. My appetite has really changed, I no longer comfort eat and I am more mindful of what I put in my mouth. I was stuck for weeks and boy did I moan about it blush but today I am the lowest I have been since getting pregnant in 2004. One stone off my weight before getting pregnant in 2000. YOU CAN DO IT!!

WhenSheWasBad - I hope your DD is okay and no more puking. Definitely rearrange your FD if it will help and plan a quiet day brew.

[curveballs] gringrin.. I love my new phone but miss not having ANY emoticons sad.

NSV - 2 cm off my tummy <faints>.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 07:47:57

hopefulgum - I don't know if it is gluten free but the bread I made yesterday is 126 calories for a 50g slice. It was a Waitrose bread mix - oat and linseed.

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 07:53:20

God , poor you hopeful that's rotten. I think everyone's giving you great advice here, I'm hoping you'll see a downward pattern soon.

How about yoghurt with fruit and nuts and seeds for breakfast?

Or grilled bacon and parsley mushrooms or a quality pork sausage and thyme grilled tomatoes? (You could maybe make them in advance and just warm through in the morning, on their own or atop a piece of your skinny gluten free bread/cracker equivalent.)

I really feel bad for you...that's my fear for me too! I'm averaging 6/700 under my TDEE (less at the weekend) and it may not be enough calories.

But I'm less hungry and making better choices and feel more in charge so hopeful if you are too, then this MUST be a better way of eating than before. Chin up. I bet it'll happen. XXX

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 07:56:05

Oh no whenshewas The Plague has landed! Paint a pukey cross on your door, get out the buckets and bleach and try not to breathe in!

Poor you, I hope dd's feeling better soon and that you don't all get it. x

woodchuck Fri 24-Jan-14 08:05:52

How can I have put on 4lbs this week? How? <howls in desperation>
I have been doing 2 fast days, mon and Thurs since New year's day. After the first week I lost 6lbs. Great, I thought, but probably mostly water. Last week I gained 2lb, just a blip, I thought.

I got on the wii board this morning and I've put on another 4! I have thus fasted 8 times, taking in 12000 fewer kcal and have lost NO WEIGHT! This is so demotivating, I am wondering why I'm bothering.

My main reason for doing 5:2 was for long term health benefits, but so frustrated as I can't measure these. What could I be doing wrong?

curveballs Fri 24-Jan-14 08:10:30

Hopeful, have you looked at the be food smart website? I have an app of it downloaded on my phone. There are quite of few breakfast ideas on there, and a few look gluten free, and the ones that aren't you may be able to make so by using alternative ingredients? Had a quick flick through and average seems to be about 200-250 cals, but there are a few under 200 too. May be worth a look...

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 08:14:43

0.8 lbs lost this week.
Goal weight 125 lbs
Current weight 125.8 lbs
So so so close smile

ErrolTheDragon Fri 24-Jan-14 08:18:16

hopeful - breakfast:
>How about yoghurt with fruit and nuts and seeds for breakfast?

That's what we have - at this time of year the fruit is usually frozen blueberries/cherries/raspberries (Sainsbury's does good ones), dh likes them still slightly frozen, I like them a bit warm. He likes Total 0% yog, I like onken natural set. I keep a jar of mixed sunflower, pumpkin and linseeds (are there any other good seeds I should add to the mix?) and a jar of almonds and hazelnuts. DH has some bitesize shredded wheat with his too (obv don't do that if you need gluten free).

If you can eat eggs in things, another option could be pancakes - my DD goes through phases of liking these so I make a batch of batter which lasts a few days in the fridge if I don't steal it for lunch. I just googled 'gluten-free pancakes' and there seem to be lots of recipes. DD has them with the frozen fruit (and sometimes one nutella).

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 08:19:36

Oh, just realised, I am now (just) in the 8 stones something band smile

ErrolTheDragon Fri 24-Jan-14 08:27:15

Oh, well done Bssh - and I think there was someone else upthread who'd passed into the next stones down (sorry, on another page now so can't see who) - its psychologically good, isn't it? smile

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 08:37:14

Bssh. gringringrin Hurrah!!! Less than one single measely pound to go!!
(Waves Pom poms cheerleader stylee).

I still have exactly 2lbs to go. No loss this week. But I am right behind you!!

My weight doesn't sounds as impressive as yours though at 155lbs. grin

It always amazes me how much difference an inch or two in height makes to healthy weight and BMI.

Bad night. Less than 2 hrs sleep. Argh. It wasn't the DC, I just couldn't drop off. Took a tablet and it didn't help. hmm So mega groggy now.
Hanging on for wine later and Silent Witness on telly (sad no life emoticon).

ErrolTheDragon Fri 24-Jan-14 08:43:47

Waves the pombears bear bear MN cheerleader style.

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 08:44:07

MrsF yes you are much taller than me! I am a distinctly average 5ft 4.5in (that 0.5 of an inch makes all the difference!).

Eatriskier Fri 24-Jan-14 08:47:49

hopeful sorry missed the entire gluten free thing. Still very tired blush

craggyhollow Fri 24-Jan-14 08:50:19

I seem to have lost 3lbs after one fast day shock

Forgot how inspiring this woe is.

Must try not to go too mad this weekend

frenchfancy Fri 24-Jan-14 08:51:45

woodchuck please don't be demotivated. Have you been exercising more than normal? An increase in exercise can give a short term weight gain whilst your muscles repair, but it is just water.

Have you measured? Particularly your waist, that is where you will see the changes first.

Is it your TOTM, you can easily put on 4lbs for that, but it isn't permanent.

The overall trend is the important test.

curveballs Fri 24-Jan-14 08:56:48

Well done bssh, you must be over the moon!

I am really struggling with headaches this week - weirdly only on NFD's. it could be down to work stress, but has anybody else experienced this since starting this woe?

Eatriskier Fri 24-Jan-14 08:58:00

wood are you weighing on a carpeted floor and in clothing? I know both these can really throw off scales, let alone the win balance board which I personally found very temperamental.

turkeybaby Fri 24-Jan-14 09:27:45

well done bssh that must be an exciting time. i'm just at the start but all good so far

had a bad start to my FD. both DP and I have ended up working from home which is a bad idea in itself without the FD element. he just went to put some sausages in the oven and i barked at him quite a lot so he put them back in the fridge. i feel really bad now but i really really do not want to smell sausages cooking this morning. am i being selfish??

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 24-Jan-14 09:49:04

Well done on the S and NSVs everyone! So motivating to see success grin

I completed my FD successfully yesterday, I came in at around 700 calories, but for a first attempt in ages I'm pretty happy with that (I allow 100 extra per FD because I am BFing). Feel so much better this morning, and the scales have tipped back down into the 13-stone-something bracket.

I have only just broken fast this morning with a yummy breakfast of granola with greek yoghurt and fruit compote.

turkey you possibly are being selfish, but sausages on a FD morning would be too much for me to handle too! Can you get your DP on board with 5:2?

jenniferlawrence Fri 24-Jan-14 09:50:26

Hello.

I think this thread might move a bit quick for me.

I did my first 2 fast days this week and they went well. I didn't struggle with them at all and haven't felt the need to binge on NFD so I'm really pleased. I just hope I see some movement on the scales next week.

As I'm not on a diet over the weekend I've told DH and DC that I can bake a cake for us all to enjoy which makes a change.

Loving 5:2 so far.

Morning! I'm struggling to keep up with the thread too!

Still plateaued at 10.7. Bah. I'm going to keep on changing things around until it shifts. I just want a 9 on the scales by my birthday! Which is in March, so should be totally do able. If this plateau ever buggers off!

Great result from a FD ali I love it when the 'stones' number changes, so heartening!

My 5:2 evangelising has had its first results - my friend's DH has lost 10lbs in a month!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Fri 24-Jan-14 09:57:44

curve toffee zed thanks for the well wishes for dd. It's a bit odd she doesn't seem at all ill now.

Even last night she was happily chatting away inbetween puking. Seems fine now and is eating crumpet.

We are all shattered though so fast day is on hold. I'm getting the buckets of bleach out zed. We are on operation clean up.

MorrisZapp Fri 24-Jan-14 10:00:20

Fasting today. Have skipped breakfast for the first time. Having Starbucks porridge for lunch, can't blooming wait.

ErrolTheDragon Fri 24-Jan-14 10:09:45

Weigh day - the scales were dithering between 59.9 and 60kg, but before and after exercise I'd drunk a litre of liquid so I'm knocking a kilo off that - .4/5kg down on last week.

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 10:10:34

Curve. Headaches could be dehydration. It's a suggestion.

The only times I have had headaches on FDs and a NFD following a FD I've been dehydrated and I could tell because my wee look like weak tea (without the milk obv).

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 10:12:04

Whenshewas. Ugh. Poor you and DD. no fun. Fingers crossed she is fully on the mend.

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 10:25:39

Maybe if people had a minute they could say their first month experiences losses/gains briefly? It might cheer up the NO LOSS folk enough so they can persevere?

It can't have been instant and plain sailing for everyone, and I bet there are some who've lost shed loads now who didn't lose at all in the beginning.
Maybe it depends how much you have to lose and how messed up your metabolism is from previous 'diets'?

I just don't want the non-losers (who may be me soon) to feel despondent. This woe MUST work, it's just maths...and yumminess!

Also, folk like bssh (whom I consider was my fat twin a year ago), it's so inspiring to read you're less than 1lb away from your goal... that's what, over 100lbs lost? Woo-hoo!

turkeybaby Fri 24-Jan-14 10:34:20

oh no zed have you not lost anything yet?

i think we started about the same time.

i haven't lost anything yet but i'm only 2 weeks in and i haven't started calorie counting on the NFDs yet. i'm going to get myself used to fasting first.

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 10:34:42

Yum, carrot cake iced with cream cheese from Gail's for breakfast <heart emoticon>.

RavenousRunner Fri 24-Jan-14 10:42:21

ZZZ good idea as usual! I went from 165 to 158 in my first month (June last year), and a lot of that was serious flab round my middle. I also very rarely achieved a 'proper' FD - aimed for 600 as I am quite a bit taller/more active than the 'average' woman, and probably usually came in at a more like 8-900. I was down to 145 by the end of September, now 147 and trying again to get down to my ultimate goal of 140. I hadn't done much dieting before though, I had always tried to lose weight through exercise alone, so I think my metabolism was pretty healthy. I can imagine it may take time for it to recover if you've had a lot of ups and downs, so worth while sticking with it even if no immediate losses.

DH joined me in July I think, he lost a stone pretty quickly despite never making it below 1000 calories I think. For him calorie counting was a huge revelation, he had no idea what was in anything and would put away 1000 in what he thought was a light lunch. Also once you're used to counting calories on the FDs it is very hard to shovel food in on NFDs without mentally thinking 'Bloody hell, that's a LOT of food! What am I doing?'

I say this having just eaten four pieces of chocolate from the advent calendar one of the clerks gave me - but then shamefacedly entered it into MFP and found that's only 80 calories. Phew.

Steala Fri 24-Jan-14 10:47:40

Please can I ask for some advice? I've been trying this woe for 3 weeks: 2FD per week and I'm not sure it's for me.

FDs are manageable although I have at least a few moments each time where I feel miserable and wonder why I am bothering. On NFDs, however, I am eating as though I have never seem food before and I am thinking about food more than ever before: what I can eat on a FD; what I'm craving on a NFD.

Is this just the novelty? Will it wear off? Or is it blood sugar spikes or something? I'm trying the woe mainly for health benefits although I also have 3 or 4 pounds to lose. It doesn't feel healthy though because I'm not making heathy choices and I feel uncomfortably preoccupied by food.

Anyone been here and got over it? Perhaps it just isn't for me.

Thanks!

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 10:52:02

Maybe it depends how much you have to lose and how messed up your metabolism is from previous 'diets'? zedzed I think you've hit the nail on the head for many non-losers or difficult-to-losers. Apart from a 4 month plateau pre-5:2 when I was just doing daily calorie counting, I've pretty much lost consistently over the last two years of trying; and the weight has come off really well on 5:2. But I put this down to the fact that prior to 2012 I have never dieted (aside from a few months on Atkins and Paul McKenna). I am not a classic yo-yo dieter and as a result I believe that my metabolism is very "strong".

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 10:55:10

Steala give it another few months and you should find your appetite self-regulates. Mine did as did alot of other long-termers. Nowadays my eyes are bigger than my stomach and I feel really rotten if I overeat.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 11:02:18

woodchick - I find my Wii isn't great for weighing me, it just isn't accurate enough when you have no idea what your clothes weigh. Have you got access to another pair of scales?

BsshBossh - Well done! Next week you will be below goal <prediction>.

ErrolTheDragon - I have bought some Chia Seeds but haven't had them yet. I read about them in my magazine and will try and find the info if you'd like. I bought them in Holland and Barratt.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 11:15:51

Steala - hang in there (I must come up with a different phrase hmm).I was useless when I started in August and asked a stupid amount of questions but everyone was so kind and it does come. I used to think about food constantly, hated myself for eating, thought I was winning the battle when I did eat (to hurt those who didn't feed me as a child) but it was only me who I was hurting and yet would happily cook cakes, etc for the children and not be bothered about eating them.

Now I think about food in a I am really looking forward to my home made soup or plate of baked fish and salad later way and don't have the panic I used to have. Last night I felt like chocolate. Pre 5:2 I would immediately think I am not hungry, it is emotional and then think I can't eat it, hate myself and then eat it just to show them hmm. Last night I wanted some chocolate to enjoy, felt a little peckish after fish and salad and 5 chips and still have calories left so I had some. Lovely.

Hope that helps you.

Today I have just made lasagne (DS2 will love me) and apple and blackberry pie (all the kids will love me grin)

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 11:23:56

Thanks everyone.

No turkeybaby it's not me, I still haven't weighed (I started on Jan 6th and plan not to weigh before Feb 3rd or perhaps 17th-4-6wks after start date).

I'm just noticing a few new people who're new like me saying they're struggling/not losing and it must be so soul-destroying for them.

Lovely to hear from strugglers who're now losers!

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 11:38:33

Another non-yoyo dieter here.

Prior to getting fat after GD during my pregnancies, I have never been over weight, always slim and have never dieted.

This diet larks was therefor new to me. Prior to 5:2, I tried various diets/woe's along my journey. Some were too brutal, others effective but too restrictive to carry on with for more than a matter of months.

The two that struck me as healthiest and most effective have been 5:2 and low carb. Low carb was too restrictive for me. I did it for 6 months last year. I did lose but not an amazing amount but it seriously re educated my sweet tooth and helped me see how bad white carb is for you and how it keeps you hungry and keeps you eating. By white carb I'm referring mostly to pasta and bread. Less so potato (other than chips) as the odd baked spud isn't harmful.

5:2 for me is fully sustainable.

In the beginning I didn't even think I would manage a FD with 500 cals. The initial FD was a bit of a struggle because I was obsessing over food intake and overthinking it. And I was wanting to snack far too much (cling onto comforts).

6 months in and I don't even have to plan for an FD. It just happens. I no longer feel worried about not having breakfast or even lunch on an FD as long as I have a decent dinner (or decent lunch and small dinner).

If I do suddenly find myself very hungry, I will eat something and not worry about having gone over 500. I often end up at 600 or 700 and it still works fine.

My body is used to fasting and no longer screams for food every second of my day.

If I'm ill or very tired, I may well bin a FD or have a mini fast. No point in punishing yourself or pushing it when you're not well.

I did have a looooong stall which was broken with a sudden loss of 2lbs last week.

I am only 2 lbs away from goal and BMi of under 21 so my losses will come extremely slowly at this stage.

And that's fine.
I can cheerfully say I'd continue to 5:2 forever to stay at a healthy weight.

Having had GD and two babies well over 9lbs (nearly 10lbs), has upped my type 2 diabetes risk from almost nothing to 30%!,,
I have no family history of it, I've never previously been over weight and no other contributing factors. Just the GD and large babies. So with such a high risk, I am determined to keep it in check.
Not just to stay healthy and for my DC and DH but also because I have twice felt what it's like to essentially be diabetic. It's horrendous. Muddled head, blood sugar highs and lows. Constant unrelenting hunger (thanks insulin!), numb hands and feet, eye sight deteriorating slightly (didn't wear glasses pre DC but I do now!)

So no way do I want to go there again.

Many of the other diets I tried did make me feel sad about "having to eat this way forever". Because they cut out food groups, you had "special" food or tiny tiny portions all the time. Quite depressing.

But this has been a revelation to me. Just a day or two a week where you don't eat much and the rest of the time you eat more or less how you please. No special food, no cutting out go food groups nothing banned.

I mean look at Breadandwine. He is always having bread and well wine! So living it up without the consequences of health problems from unrestricted eating.

I know it can seem tough in the beginning because 500 cals seems low if you like me, could put away 3500+ in a day. Your body will get used to it quickly. You've gotten it used to having large amounts so it needs time to adjust.

Once you're in the swing of things (only takes a matter of a few weeks), you won't mourn or miss the extra food on fast days. Instead look forward to planned feasts on NFDs.

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 11:42:35

Bssh. Drool at carrot cake. Not having it though. I'm saving myself for cheeeeeeeeeeeese later grin and some wine

I'm with toffee on prediction of you below goal next week. wink

I'm getting my party hat ready!

Just marking my place really. Was away with work this week so I've only managed one FD. I dont need to weigh myself - I can tell by how tight my trousers feel.

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 11:45:47

zedzed I'm still pondering over your question about those who are struggling to lose weight. Ravenous, MrsF and I have all responded that a) no real problems losing weight b) never really dieted before so believe we have strong metabolisms.

so question for those struggling to lose weight what's your dieting history and do you think your metabolism has been negatively affected?

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 11:46:52

I'm with toffee on prediction of you below goal next week Oh God the pressure!!! wink.

DontBeBlueBeARainbow Fri 24-Jan-14 11:54:42

Morning all

Weigh-in Friday: -3lbs!!! grin total loss now -5lbs since pre-Christmas weigh-in. Really pleased, as though getting used to FDs has been challenging, I certainly haven't been deprived and have enjoyed plenty of good meals the rest of the time.

Well done to Bssh, you are an inspiration thanks

Steala I struggle on NFDs too, as I really want to go overboard. But I've tracked a few NFDs on MFP, which is helping me be more mindful of snacking. I've also read a few books about healthy eating becoming a Skinny Bitch, which is giving me further reasons to avoid the rubbish my body doesn't need. If you try and make your meals a bit more indulgent/luxury/something you really like, then you might be able to look forward to lunch/dinner, rather than reaching for a snack. I've not yet experienced this 'even on NFDs I am not bothered about breakfast' phenomenon, I am always straight on the juice, with a big portion of rice and veg to follow!

Took the plunge and got rid of my scales, once a week at my work Fat Club from now on!

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 12:16:37

don'tbe Woo-hoo-to-you!

My cousin, whom I persuaded to do this with me as she has almost 100lbs of back-to-back pregnancies weight to lose too, has not lost a thing in the last 3 weeks and even GAINED half a lb...until today when she's just told me she's dropped over 3lbs!

She doesn't know why, but it was her totm before and she'd not been eating up near her TDEE until this week as she was used to low cal diets and scared of all the fat possibilities! Yay for Zed's cousin!

She's also dumped the scales and will weigh in 4wks from now, after 2nd FD and after next totm, to keep everything the same, really hoping the pattern is downwards for her.

almostthereagain Fri 24-Jan-14 12:18:15

I think you are onto something re previous dieting history. My mum (serial dieter) has also found she doesn't lose if she eats to TDEE on NFD. She loses & gains same few lbs. She has found not eating back exercise cals, slightly lower TDEE & def eating nutritious, lo carb foods as much as poss makes a difference.
Well done Bsh really encouraging to all & sooo good for you!
Hope you see a change soon hopefulsad

Lilliput Fri 24-Jan-14 12:19:17

Weigh on this morning and am
9 st 6.5lbs. grin

Start weight 9 st 13 lbs
Week one. 9 st 10 lbs
Week two. 9 st 7 lbs
( bit if a blow out weekend)
Week three. 9 st 6.5 lbs

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 12:23:18

Many of the other diets I tried did make me feel sad about "having to eat this way forever". Because they cut out food groups, you had "special" food or tiny tiny portions all the time. Quite depressing mrsf

Exactly. Even if, God forbid, I don't lose or lose at a snails pace, I'm not gaining any more, that much I know without weighing, and this is the ONLY 'diet' I've ever tried where I can genuinely face and even look forward to enjoying this woe for life. No sweat.

It's at least stopped me gaining and helped me regain control. I will never try a fad diet again as I refuse to exclude whole food groups again or eat f-all or tasteless mush.

But hopefully I'll be back here in a couple of weeks doing a woo-hoo dance for a healthy loss!

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 12:23:27

Interesting, almost. I know there's a school of thought (called Eat More To Weigh Less) that believes metabolism can be repaired but participants need to be brave enough to put on a little weight first: to "repair metabolism" you increase your daily calories by 100 cals a week and go up in 100 calorie increments every few weeks until you hit TDEE. Weight may go up but then settles down as body realises you are not starving it and eventually weight goes back down again as you slowly reduce the calories. If you are brave enough to go through this process then odds are you will be able to lose weight on just 10% reduction of TDEE (which for most is a vast improvement to how little they were eating before). MyFitnessPal forum has a very good EM2WL chat group.

AngieM2 Fri 24-Jan-14 12:28:47

Well done all fasters and losers! 1lb gone here today, down to a 14 year low.

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 12:30:33

Yes bsssh that's what I believe too. Really well put.

I think being SUCH a serial yo-yo-er that this is kinda what I need to do. I've survived on under 500 cals regularly, under 1000cals very often, no carbs for a year and binged my ass off in between.

I think my bod clings onto everything I give it. So eating even close to my TDEE has been a scary challenge. Another reason why I'm delaying weighing; I want to give it a chance to repair, settle, calm. Then rev up and start burning.

almostthereagain Fri 24-Jan-14 12:34:05

I agree bsh I wish mum would try but understand why she's not keen. Def makes me keen to eat sensibly & set my children, esp dd a good example. Poor mum has yo yo'd all her adult life.

BiscuitBribery Fri 24-Jan-14 12:35:50

Hi everyone! So great to hear everyone's stories and achievements! hugely impressive and motivational smile

DS is off school ill today and we had very little sleep so a mini fast is off the cards. Had a yummy egg mayo salad though so keeping it healthy and light in prep for tonight's feast.

And now I've forgotten everything I was going to say...!

TimeToPassGo Fri 24-Jan-14 12:55:40

Marking place smile

TimeToPassGo Fri 24-Jan-14 12:59:57

Just read the last few posts but so true about the normal diet / food groups being banned thing. With my WW / 5:2 hybrid I have much more flexibility mentally than I had just doing WW before. So yesterday I had lovely bread with thick butter. The WW part of my brain though 'Arrrgghhh, you can't have all that butter!' but the 5:2 part of my brain thought 'Yes I can. I don't have it every day but I'm having it now so I'm going to enjoy it!' But WW overall is positive because it stops me bingeing on NFDs. (I know a lot of you use TDEE instead, I just found it harder to get head around so that's why I stick to points instead - because I'm familiar with them.)

curveballs Fri 24-Jan-14 13:02:10

At only three weeks in to 5:2, it is really too soon to say whether this will work for me. But I am 99% sure it will.

So all I can really share in answer to the recent question is my history.

I was thin in my childhood and teenage years and very athletic. As I hit my twenties I stopped my sports, and started drinking and eating the wrong things. Throughout the whole of my twenties and into my thirties I did not care enough to really do anything about it. I told myself I wouldn't be able to lose the weight because I have pcos and because at times I have the contraceptive implant, which I believed stopped you losing weight, and in all honesty I didn't really try anything so I had no evidence that I wouldn't lose weight, I just thought my metabolism must be rubbish.

Last year I got married, and I had a huge goal - to fit into my sisters wedding dress. I started exercising, I did diet chef and it worked. When wedding was postponed I slacked off, stopped exercise and ate what I wanted and the weight came back. For my actual wedding in sept I went on Atkins and exercised and again lost the weight. As soon as my wedding was over I went back to old habits and here I am.

I have proved to myself twice that I am physically capable of losing the weight, but I also love my treats occasionally, and I especially love a drink.

This is about sustainability for me and the long term. I know I can succeed and then maintain by doing this, and I can still have a drink and a treat. Three weeks in, 6 lb lost. A long way to go, but I will do it. It's my 35th birthday next week - it would be great to spend the second half of my thirties slimmer and healthier!

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 13:03:55

TimeToPassGo counting WW points is the same as counting calories isn't it (basically) so carry on smile Out of interest what's the maximum points allowed on normal WW and how many points are you allowing yourself on a) FDs and b) NFDs?

CinammonGirl Fri 24-Jan-14 13:15:19

Weigh day here - I've lost 3lbs - that means a loss of 7lbs in two weeks! Am over the moon, this is definitely the way forward for me smile Good luck to today's fasters and if its an NFD, enjoy!

Breadandwine Fri 24-Jan-14 13:28:31

zzz I went back into my blog and found this, from Thursday 29th March 2012:

"I'm halfway through the 5th week of my 'Eating less' (or Calorie Restriction) programme and I'm happy to say I feel great!
I've lost about 3 pounds - and I could lose more if I wanted to.
ATM, I'm sticking to eating half of what I used to eat, 2 days a week. I've also cut down my daily food intake by 10% - mainly because, after the eating less days, I just seemed to be eating too much - or piling too much food on my plate.
So this means I'm eating 80% of what I used to."

At this stage I didn't realise I had any weight to lose - I'd been brainwashed by WW that my weight should be 10.10, but I eventually went down to 9.2 or thereabouts - so I was just doing it for the health benefits.

Being 'one of those annoying blokes' as I think laska called us, I've always found weightloss easy. But, for anyone not losing, it will work - you just have to stick to it.

If anyone wants to look at the rest of my story (and there's a lot of it!), it's here.

TimeToPassGo Fri 24-Jan-14 13:35:56

Yes Bsssh I think so - just easier for me to manage than calories, I found calories a pain in the ass to figure out, even with MFP. My biggest problem was just eating whatever rubbish I wanted on NFDs and WWs makes me more mindful of that. I still have 2-3 days a week where I eat well beyond my points (as many as 30-40 points when my daily allowance is 21).

As for points - I am doing the older Discovery Plan (the one before ProPoints). On FDs at the minute I have 14ish points which is more like 7-800 cals so I won't be getting the full fasting benefits BUT I have lost 9lbs in 2.5 weeks so it's working for me! I have stopped bingeing on NFDs and rarely snack now (my evening treat is a skinny decaff latte). I also eat far more veg and far fewer carbs. I'm feeling so much better already - think my body was totally toxic in the run up to Christmas with all the junk food and evening munching.

TalkinPeace Fri 24-Jan-14 13:40:18

MESSAGE FOR ALL NEWCOMERS HAVING PLATEAUS / HUNGER URGES
do, please read through the Tips and Hints thread
we built it up last year, popping any really good ideas over there so that they did not get lost in the big threads (which moved a lot slower then than they do now)

Important ones
- drink a pint of water before every meal or whenever you think you are hungry
- on a fast day, delay eating as long as you can
- eat only at meal times, no snacking ever, ever, ever
- sit up straight or stand when typing - you burn lots more calories
- exercise will tone up under the flab so that the butterfly that appears from the caterpillar is already lean and mean
- clench pelvic floor at least 20 times a day - men and women

but please, please, please
read the tips and hints as they are a mine of good ideas

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 13:44:55

Many thanks mrs f time to breadand curve ravenous almost bssh and all I guess if these stories show us newbies/lurkers (yes, we can see you!) anything, it's how different everybody's reason for being here is, their journey's vary but the common thread (!) is that you all feel better and thinner than you did and also feel you'll continue with this wol indefinitely.

Now that is properly inspiring.

NON losers...it seems there's light at the end of the chubby tunnel!

LilyJoAndMe Fri 24-Jan-14 13:46:06

Hi All,
Well it's good to catch up on the news here. Loved reading your story Breadandwine . And all the exercise stuff you told me last week really helped me a lot this week.
Personally, I've had a weird week in terms of weight-loss . After my week-end of good eating and staying just under my NFD calories ( honest ) and then my 1st FD on Monday I'd put on 1kg - 2lbs or so !
I was really fed up ( no pun intended confused) about it . But I remembered all the stuff I'd read here about such things and it helped me to stay focused.
Also, I really wanted to do exercise because long-term I'm convinced it'll be good for my aging- process. And this I did without panicking about my non SV.
I was also really busy with my work so that helped me head-wise. smile
So - today - first time for a while that I've had some time to myself and TaDa... Lost the extra 1kg.
Back to 72kg and hoping for more soon.

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 13:46:28

TimeToPassGo well done!

TalkinPeace Fri 24-Jan-14 13:55:33

curveballs
your story is very common
what is happening is that those strict diets are not retraining your brain to eat within the limits of what you need

as ToffeeSponge has found, the freedom of the splurge day offsets much of the greed of the normal days and makes the fast days rattle past
its about teaching your brain that snacks are no longer needed, that skipping meals is fine and that the odd bit of hunger is actually good for you
at which point the ghrelin, leptin and insulin systems work with you to stay healthy

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 14:03:51

My favourite FD dinner so far, simple but really tasty (you can omit the philly and save 50cals or the oil and save 120 but bleuch!) Also a great NFD lunch.

Peppery Smoked Salmon and Balsamic Glazed Salad

Wild Rocket-40 g
Raw Leaf Spinach/watercress-30 g
Red Pepper-12 g
Onions,5 thin slices
Good 4u Peppery Lentil Pea & Bean Shoots-10 g
Cherry Tomatoes-6
Cucumber, unpeeled-30 g

Philadelphia Light Soft Cheese-30 g (on the side)
Sliced Smoked Salmon-100 g

Dress all with:
Extra Virgin Olive Oil-3 tsp
Balsamic Glaze-15 ml
Sea salt and cracked pepper.

TOTAL CALS: 455

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 14:04:24

curveballs - I also did diet chef and lost about a stone but I stopped as the food just wasn't nice enough to continue and I got fed up of not being able to cook proper food for me. Reading your post has made me realise I am enjoying "treats" much more than previously. I had some toblerone yesterday and it was divine. Pre 5:2 I would have eaten loads and barely tasted it.

My appetite is smaller, which can be gutting at times, but I have to think of the greater good - health. DH and I used to think nothing of having a big bag of nice crisps at the weekend but now I haven't bought any for weeks. I was going to text DH to get some - so happy at no longer being over weight I thought I would have a treat - but I didn't as I know crisps set off the munchies, food shouldn't be a reward and there are better things to have which will be a treat - a piece of nice home made bread, a piece of lovely cheese, etc etc.

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 14:12:22

Yeah toffee like now, as it's my totm I'm allowing myself wee sweet treats I'd normally not have (4 giant chocolate buttons just now...yum) but before, the whole bag would've been down my gullet and I wouldn't have even tasted them. But because of the FD yesterday, when I REALLY wanted them, it has made me really savour them now.

mscnile Fri 24-Jan-14 14:16:40

Hi guys! Having a rather indulgent totm NFD here too zzz(might have something to do with the wine last night too...) still, that's the beauty of this WOE right? grin

congrats to losers, don't give up if you're stuck on a plateau and go for it bssh!

ELR Fri 24-Jan-14 14:30:51

Afternoon alll, sorry haven't caught up but will do so in a minute. Just reporting a Ns victory, cancelled the rip off chiropractor, went to pilates this and finally went and did my blood tests!! So more a life style victory but a victory none the less! So thanks to everyone for your words of support and sympathy. Xxx

Hmm I started 5:2 a fortnight ago and had my 4th fast day yesterday - and I've put on a pound sad How does that happen? I def kept to around the 500 cal mark on fast days but on my NFD I did have a pizza night out with some friends....feeling quite disheartened as the FDs were tough but I've got nothing to show for it

DorisAllTheDay Fri 24-Jan-14 14:40:18

I also did DietChef, curveballs and Toffee. It didn't work for me at all, as I didn't like the food so I kept sneaking extras. And it was very expensive.

I did 5:2 for the first week of January, then switched to 4:3 and I'm over-the-moon chuffed to have lost 11 pounds so far. The first half stone was the weight I put on through Christmas and New Year overeating on a massive scale, so it was probably easy to lose, but even so I'm delighted. One of the reasons I decided to have a couple of weeks on 4:3 is that I'm away with work from Sunday till Tuesday and I'll probably be going over TDEE for three consecutive days, so I'm bound to gain something, hopefully not too much. I just hope it doesn't mean I lose momentum, and after controlling what I'm eating and drinking so carefully so far this month I'm a bit panicked about not being able to calorie-count everything I put in my mouth. Still, this is a WOL, right, not a diet where every day counts? So three days is pretty insignificant really. I might need reminding of that when I get back!

zed it's fantastic that you can eat four chocolate buttons and not polish of the lot. That's what I'd like to be able to do, eventually. Sadly I'm of the once-I've-started-I-can't-stop persuasion. I'm very inspired to think this WOL might be able to help me change that.

The other thing I've noticed is that I'm not spending nearly as much on food and drink! Doing 4:3 has saved me a packet, which is always good in January.

almostthereagain Fri 24-Jan-14 15:12:20

Good girl ELRwink Now I really have to go next week to keep my end of the bargain!
What are all you NFDers treating yourselves to tonight? Have got the friday feeling & need inspiration as don't know what I fancy & not sure whether to take the opportunity to go light as dh is away.
Well done doris fab loss, Tea I was looking at cal counts for Pizza Express & was shock Don't lose heart, keep the faith, you'll get theresmile

Southeastdweller Fri 24-Jan-14 15:26:24

My God, there's so many bakeries here in York! Induldged quite a bit already and I think I'll close the kitchen early today in anticipation of breakfast at Betty's tomorrow.

Hope everyone enjoys their weekends smile.

MorrisZapp Fri 24-Jan-14 15:27:47

I LOVE YORK

LilyJoAndMe Fri 24-Jan-14 15:28:36

I know how you feel MakeTeaNotWar .
I was so sick about gaining 2lbs after all the efforts I was making. In the past I've read people's posts when they've said that sort of thing and I've often wondered if they've been doing something wrong. Well, I knwo I didn't this week. I was following all the advice I'd read on these threads and I ate - not too much - not too little and up went the scales !

Well they've come down now - but just to what I was last week - so I lost the 2lbs again. To be honest today I feel really hungry but I'm on a NFD so I'm just aware of it and still using MFP to count calories and not overdo things.

I'm aimining to stay the course at the moment and not panic . I've often done that in the past so thanks to all who post when things are not going as they'd hope it to. You're posts are a big help to me. And fingers crossed for us all eh .

RavenousRunner Fri 24-Jan-14 15:50:10

Sometimes calorie counting is a real blessing. Got dragged to Paul for lunch, panicked as I think of sandwiches as being calorie bombs for very little satisfaction, finally gave up and had my favourite fromage rosette - baguette with butter, salami and gherkins. Figured it was about 600 calories, but lovely MFP says 284! That could be wrong, but I suppose there's very little meat in it, no mayo, it's a little baguette - maybe it's right.

Chinese for dinner so I need to save every calorie I can. I won't weigh myself tomorrow as the salt is going to kill me.

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 16:14:52

Bit of an unexpected NsV to report grin

Was looking for something to wear for tomorrow - need to be smart so my usual wouldn't do. All my smart (as in serious) clothes are from long before DC and I have yet to look ok it them. As in no muffin top etc. they sort of fitted but with a muffin.

Grabbed an old size 10 jigsaw wool houndstooth skirt and put it on expecting awful muffin and having to work through a massive pile of "no".

It fitted perfectly!!! Loose around the lower part of my waist which has been the worst place of lard accumulation. shockshock I was amazed! I am in fact still staggered! shock and its TOMT so bloated. shock

So I had a quick measure and around the belly button which has been the sticky out part of my tummy after DC were born. it now measures the same as my proper waist just above shock
And gringringrin

And again to those of you losing slowly or not yet. Listen to TIP! And look at your TDEE on NFD. If you over eat on NFD it will affect your loss. Also TOMT can play havoc with a gain of several lbs. we all know what it's like wink

BiscuitBribery Fri 24-Jan-14 16:21:10

Really interesting reading today, really encouraging! I'd imagine that the majority of us will have our slumps in SV's at some point but it must be very disconcerting to have it right at the beginning.
I'm taking mental notes of everything, esp in preparation for my first weigh in next week!

Have put in my food for today including dinner and I'm pleasantly surprised, I have 750 left over to take me to my TDEE (2288 thank god wink ). I aim to reach 2000 on NFD's to avoid going too low, does that sound about right? So about 450 to go... but I'm not hungry! This was not the problem I thought I'd be having! grin

Woah MrsF!! Fantastic, well done!

graceholl Fri 24-Jan-14 16:21:38

I am still reading thread but wanted to jump in to offer some empathy and encouragement to those who are feeling a bit down trodden. (I was/am too earlier in the week).

I am a relative young'un, no kids yet (PS whenshewas - poor you, poor DD - hope she is feeling better and cleanup is not too yukky) and when I've dieted in the past the weight has really flown off. (I once lost 2 st in 5 weeks - yes really).

I have been 5:2ing for January and have lost a measly 3lbs at MOST (that's the lowest the scales have shown, tho it usually hovers higher). I feel really shit quite a lot of the time and don't know if I'm doing it right etc etc etc. I'm 212 lbs and need to be about 160 to be healthy BMI-wise with 145 the ultimate goal. (5'7.5 for the record)

I have started gyming 3 to 4 times a week and can feel my fitness improving massively. I enjoy the gym, I really do, and this is coming from a serious lazy bum. I know that exercising can cause retention of fluid as well as building up muscle (I previously had none).

I think the main motivation for me is how I have seen my body change - my waist is trimmer and my tummy, my 'place' for storing fat, which is covered in stretchmarks and bears a resemblance to a large chunk of cottage cheese, is getting tauter before my eyes. Sometimes those NSVs are more significant than the SVs.

On top of that, my mood is better, my skin is better, my hair/nails are stronger and not snapping as much. I just feel generally better and even though I'm baffled as to why I'm not losing, I need to recite these things to myself and continue for the benefits that aren't scale-exclusive.

Keep going all, it is a wonderful WOE and the weight loss WILL come. I think it's easier to think long-term rather than short term too. smile xx

BiscuitBribery Fri 24-Jan-14 16:24:14

That sounded smug didn't it? blush I'm genuinely shocked I'm not overheating, I'm a massive over eater! (My 4st was put on solely by emotional eating caused by PND; I've recently finally come off my meds so losing the weight is the final step to being 'me' again smile )

BiscuitBribery Fri 24-Jan-14 16:28:09

That sounds brilliant Grace, you're doing so well! It sounds to me like you'll be putting muscle weight on as you're losing fat. What wonderful progress smile

frenchfancy Fri 24-Jan-14 16:37:27

Didn't sound smug at all biscuit

Well done MrsF; it is even better than going shopping isn't it.

grace yes you are right to look long term and think about how you feel as well as look. You may not lose 2 stone in 5 weeks on 5:2, but this time once you've lost it you will never see it again.

I've just had 90 60 cals of cake batter - yum (NFD so not a problem)

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 24-Jan-14 16:48:16

MrsF what an absolutely amazing NSV - well done! grin

Pizza for tea tonight, and wine. Yum.

I have eaten nowhere near as much today as I have been doing, nowhere near. Even though I gave myself permission to eat when I was hungry etc etc.

smile

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 16:54:01

Thanks everyone gringringrin

Biscuits. Not smug at all smile

And listen to TIP. No snacking. It really really helps. And I know its not what the new folk want to hear.

Your body will learn to do without snacks and it will stop screaming for food.

graceholl Fri 24-Jan-14 16:56:29

Thanks Biscuit and French! thanks

My 'problem area' has always been my tummy...major amounts of visceral lard and a very unshapely, hanging muffin top. blush

When I've lost weight before it has tended to come off places I wasn't as arsed about like my arms and legs. 5:2 has done wonders for my tum and waist and I'm chuffed about that even tho my lb loss has been small. I'm sure this also has something to do with going to the gym, but hey, I'll take it. smile

I would also encourage anyone down the exercise route. 1st week of Jan I felt my heart was about to fall out of my arse for its manic thumping after 5 whole mins on the cross trainer. I'm now managing 25 with comparative ease. Major NSV there!

ErrolTheDragon Fri 24-Jan-14 17:03:53

The combination of exercise and 5:2 does seem particularly good for reducing flab and increasing muscle/fitness. Which matters more to the way you look and feel than a number on a scale, IMO.

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 17:08:23

Great NSV MrsF and two very inspirational posts grace.

Megrim Fri 24-Jan-14 17:10:15

I felt my heart was about to fall out of my arse

shock

Thank you for that very vivid mental picture grin

Getting towards the end of Week 3 for me, and I'm already feeling so much better, and apart from some grumpiness at the end of my second FD (but mainly due to DH and kids all sitting around waiting for me to cook them food the minute I walked through the door) I've felt remarkably calm and relaxed. Most unlike my normal state of mild annoyance at everyone and everything.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Fri 24-Jan-14 17:29:24

mrsF amazing results. 2lbs off your bmi and looking good in a size 10.

grace really pleased this is working for you. I know what you mean about problem areas and how that's always the last place you lose it from. Mine is my thighs, saddlebags and arse. Top half used to be ok (pre kids) but the arse was always an issue.

dd is OK huge thanks to you all for wishing dd well. It's been a funny bug. Didn't upset her at all really. She was up chatting in the night after puking, same again after second puke - she just seemed really chilled out. Only thing that bothered her was needing a bath again.

I'm getting the washing sorted and have even resorted to using the tumble drier - I'm too stingy to use it normally but this is an emergency.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Fri 24-Jan-14 17:30:22

zed good idea on the progress report.

Pre Xmas 11 stone 12
Yesterday 11 stone 4.5

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 17:52:09

Brilliant NSV there MrsF. grin.

Yesterday I had on my gap jeans and when I bought them they were a bit snug. Then they fit for a while and then didn't again. Now they are too big and make me look fat. Down side of 2 stone loss (most clothes I have now are from 2012 when I was that much heavier, though one pair of jeans is 9 years old) is that a lot of my clothes are now too big. Reminds me when I was a teenager and bought baggy clothes to hide my (non existent) fatness but just served to make me look bigger. Now I don't know what to do about my clothes that are too big to wear without making me look bigger. I hate waste, I don't intend to get obese again, they can't be altered or worn with a belt so what do I do? What is everyone else doing about their too big clothes? I feel like I am throwing money away when I get rid of clothes.

Fabulous loss there WhenShe.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 17:59:23

Now I am confused. I planned to fast Mon, Wed and Fri but have done Mon and Wed only as I am down and I made love soup. I don't fast on a Saturday or Sunday so now I am looking at 4 days of NFD on the trot. Does that sound okay to do or am I going to put loads od weight on in that time?

DorisAllTheDay Fri 24-Jan-14 18:19:48

Well done, MrsF - great news there. Grace, that's a fabulous post. My problem area is also tummy. I'm already supposedly within a healthy range BMI, but I have a muffin top and a large pot belly, with a waist measurement that hovers around half my height, sometimes more and sometimes a tiny bit less. I'm passed the age of worrying too much about how I look at the weight I am now, but I know I'm carrying fat in the most unhealthy place and I hope that I'll shift at least some of it on this WOE.

Toffee, I'm a relative newcomer so I'm sure others will know better than me. But I can't see why you should put on weight if you don't overshoot your TDEE on your NFDs even if they are four consecutive days. Someone upthread a bit posted about their total 'calorie deficit' over the week, and I thought that was a good way to think about it. You might not want to weigh yourself on Sunday night though, just in case!

DorisAllTheDay Fri 24-Jan-14 18:21:31

I meant to say, that's brilliant, whenshewasbad. I've still got a couple of pounds to go to reach my pre-Xmas weight, let alone lose any from there. Very impressed!

TalkinPeace Fri 24-Jan-14 18:31:43

MrsFlorrick
Size ten at your height is slinky well done you. I hope your delightful husband compliments you - if he does not, kick him in the goolies shin from me.

Southeast they let you north of Watford ..... blimey.

Maketea I know you won't want to hear it, but you need to log your food on MFP on non fast days so you can check you are staying within your TDEE - UK restaurant pizzas are lethal things ; goodness knows what they put in the dough but Dominos I can tell by taste is chock full of sugar and salt so knackers your system.

I forgot to weigh in today (was showing off to my yoga teacher doing wacky balances on a bosu) BUT my waistband does not lie : feelin' good

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 18:44:47

Thanks DorisAllTheDay. I have decided not to weigh myself every day any more as I want to enjoy feeling as I do now. I will weigh myself after my second fast day each week only.

TalkinPeace Fri 24-Jan-14 18:47:47

NSV ALERT
NSV ALERT
NSV ALERT
I have decided not to weigh myself every day any more as I want to enjoy feeling as I do now. I will weigh myself after my second fast day each week only.

whoop, whoop, TiP dances round the room

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 18:48:52

Thanks TIP grin and Toffee. And everyone else.

Toffee. Re clothes. My old pre DC clothes fit again so I charity shop my bigger ones. No loss as most of them were inexpensive high st ones.
All my old clothes are high end high st or designer classics so no need for new ones as such (other than the famous leather trouser wink).

I guess if you are needing to invest in a whole new wardrobe too that's an expensive adventure.

Anything you can eBay? Or make a large enough collection and take to a boot sale to recoup some of your outlay for new wardrobe?

I've sold on eBay but not a mega experienced evayer. Just my maternity clothes and a few bits. Pretty much everything goes. You need to start auction at max £5 (for a big item) but best at 99p.
And take photos of it hanging up ironed on a nice wood hanger against a nice background (I have a beautiful exposed brick wall in the master bed room with Flos light fittings which looks very smart) a white wall will do too.

I've sold Jigsaw stuff, hobbs etc and it all goes quite well. Maternity stuff flew out of the door at massive prices but don't expect non maternity to be the same sadly.

Be prepared for a £150 item to sell for £15 to £20 max if virtually unworn.

No magic tricks sadly and it won't buy you an entire wardrobe but it will help.

And just think how happy someone will be with the stuff you send to the charity shop.

You can always supplement your new or in between wardrobe with eBay or charity shop bits too.

I have a friend who is car boot mad. Her entire brood are car boot kitted out. They all wear top labels and look amazing but it costs her very little and she resells all the time too. It's a hobby for her. It needs to be as its time consuming and you have to spend many a Saturday in the rain.

Her main tip is to buy bundles of clothes for sale in your size. Take home and pick out best bits you want and resell what you don't.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 24-Jan-14 18:49:29

Well done Toffee - that is such a victory for you grin

Megrim Fri 24-Jan-14 18:50:55

Yup, Domino's uses sugar in its dough. My homemade dough uses only flour (I use one part white to two parts whole meal), olive oil, yeast, salt and water (1.5 tsp salt goes into the recipe to make two 12 inch pizza bases.

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 18:51:01

TIP gringrin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 19:23:19

blushblushblush.

I have felt ashamed sometimes it has taken me so long (3 months to lose a stone, then 8 months of not really trying then 5 months to lose another stone) but then I think - correct me if I am wrong - that if it comes off slowly it is more likely to stay off.

MrsF - ebay scares me and tbh I am not sure anything would sell. My highest end item would be Wallis so nothing high end at all grin!!

Is it true though that clothes that are a size too big will make you look bigger than you are?

This is the reason I haven't been buying anything new other than layering plain t-shirts as I need to lose another stone and don't want to waste money on clothes that won't fit for longer than a few weeks/months.

TalkinPeace Fri 24-Jan-14 19:28:08

Toffee
Go back to the threads last summer and see how far you have come ...
am deeply impressed
because ( for those who have no idea what I'm on about )
to learn how to manage lifelong ED issues, while raising kids, while losing weight, while thinking up fab recipes, while working through a court case is IMHO pretty effing amazing ...

Clothes : tbh I just do Charity shops now : donate and buy
got a lovely pair of Phase Eight trousers for £4.50 and a Kaliko jacket for £3.75
I've even done "Oxfam dress rental" = buy something for £15, wear it and donate it back - cheaper than rental wink

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 19:47:15

I will have to investigate where the nearest charity shop is. Normally they go in bags to school for them to sell to raise money but that isn't an option at the kids current school. We do have skips/bags through thr door nearby for clothes but I have heard less than good things about what happens to money raised - doesn't go to the needy so haven't used them for a while.

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 19:52:13

Toffee. Ill fitting clothes make you look bigger. Too tight with muffin is bad and so is mega baggy.

If eBay terrifies you, then charity shop items you can't wear and buy from charity shops in correct size.

It makes sense. And you find great stuff in them. I spent my late teens right through to mid twenties dressed almost exclusively in charity shop buys. Amazing what you can pick up.

I'd avoid shoes though. But that's a personal thing with me.

Dresses and jackets in particular are often great condition ie only worn a couple of times.

Happy hunting grin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 19:58:34

I could do with some tops. I will have a wear everything in my wardrobe few weeks and see what looks good and what doesn't and then go from there.

Wizziee Fri 24-Jan-14 20:04:59

Hello, I'm new but I have to say thank you for all your amazing advice in the last 11 days since I started (5:2 and lurking!) 4 FDs done, yesterday was by far the easiest, day 3 was really tough. Sneaky mid week weight peek and 6lbs off so far. More importantly, feeling really good. Combining with Shred 3 days a week and even my boobs are shrinking hooray.

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 20:06:54

If you can't find anything in charity shops how about primark. If you're after basic everyday tops that's an option.

It's hard to advise as I don't know your style and what type of outfits you like to wear.

What size are you after? I'm asking because I have a load of size 14 stuff which is going to make its way to chaity shops soon but I'd send it to you if you wanted it.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 20:07:36

Bummer

I am overweight by 0.1 in BMI even though my healthy weight range is 8 stone 3lbs - 11 stone 2lbs and I am 11 stone 2lbs. confused.

How on Earth can I be expected to be 8 stone 3lbs?? No way would that be good for me.

TalkinPeace Fri 24-Jan-14 20:08:52

)))))) Primark (((((((
and all other cheap clothes : made with semi slave labour and stolen water
please, either buy second hand or decent quality, but the "disposable" clothes are destroying the planet
( green rant over )

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 20:15:41

Actually one of my favourite jumpers is from Primark. I bought DS a zip up jumper at the same time and his cost more than mine! I don't go into town much where Primark is but I will have a look properly next time I go. Thank you very much for the offer MrsF but will see what I have and what I need before I actually look into getting more clothes. TBH I don't know what size I am atm as my wardrobe has clothes from 12-18 in my wardrobe and all fit to varying degrees.confused.

mscnile Fri 24-Jan-14 20:16:16

Wowsers MrsF well done you!
Toffee that's a wide range, are you similar height to me (5'7)? I'm currently 10st10 and can't envisage ever being below 10, mind you, it's the first time I've been below 11 as an adult!
Zzz that salad sounds yum, love a nice salad, I make a nice bacon and egg one - healthy full English!
Hi to everyone old and new, far too many to mention but have a. Gayest weekend all of you!
I've eaten loads today, but will make up for it in the next week and will run tomorrow.

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-Jan-14 20:17:40

Sorry TIP! blush Not a customer myself but I was trying to help Toffee with an interim wardrobe without bankruptcy.

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 20:19:07

toffee what a brilliant dilemma to have!

I'd eBay the expensive bits, carboot the bulk and charity shop the rest, put all the profits towards one really lovely, beautifully fitted luxury item; treat yourself, it sure sounds like you deserve it.

I have the opposite dilemma...I'm hanging on to all my skinny clothes... hoping. Have hung Jeans Number 1 on my door so I see them every morning (size 16, then 14, then 12, and finally...one day...The 10s...oh well done indeed Mrs F for the mystical Getting Into 10s again moment!)

Have just weighed out and eaten 50g of pasta for my dinner.This was a scary moment for me as pasta is my trigger food and it's the first I've had since starting this woe. Jesus, it was an amount so small my 2yr old would eat double that easily. But there it is. I'd have eaten 200g in my sleep last month.

I made a really punchy quick sauce for it (garlic, chilli, honey, balsamic glaze, stilton, dijon mustard, coriander YUM!) and I served it with a mahoooosive green salad with pea-shoots, seeds, peppers and olive oil; all in at 592 cals).

Which takes my NFD to 1,500 of my 2,360. There's a dense chocolate mousse in the fridge at 300...dunno...it seems a lot...it makes me anxious when I get right up there...anyone else?

Think I'll wait half an hour and see if I really want it.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 20:19:50

Really TiP. Oh heck. I have bought 2 pairs of jeans, a jumper and 2 t-shirts from there for DS and a jumper for me so not too much.

BetsyBell Fri 24-Jan-14 20:20:02

Some wonderful posts on here today, my cockles are feeling warmed by it all smile smile

Definitely second (or third) charity shop donating/shopping.

It can be a bit crushing (and a waste of effort/time) to have your previous favourite pieces sell for 99p. But donating to a charity shop is cleansing and feels good.

Most of my favourite 'new' tiny winter things have come from charity shops, all at a fiver or less each. That's cheaper than horrible primark and if it's survived a few wears and washes from someone else then it's likely good quality too.

Then a few weeks later, when you're down another dress size, you get to return them all again!

MazzleDazzle Fri 24-Jan-14 20:25:04

Just a quick check-in. Haven't had a chance to catch up on the thread at all sad.

Was planning on a FD today, but friend invited me round for lunch so came in at 650.

Weigh day tomorrow. I've been really accurate with calorie counting this week and have a deficit of 5000 cals plus 4 workouts that I haven't taken into account in terms of burned cals. Def. lost a pound (I cheated and peeked!) but I'm praying for a 2lb loss tomorrow!

Hopefully I'll get a chance to catch up on the thread good and proper over the weekend!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 20:26:11

mscnile - I am 5 foot six.

zedzedzed - I don't really have expensive stuff, nothing designer. After I had DS2 I bought cheapy stuff from supermarkets as I knew the weight needed to come off and then I decided to have less clothes but nicer stuff but even then it is only stuff like M&S, Wallis as our local shopping centre doesn't have many clothes shops. I have a habit of wearing my clothes out as I wear the same stuff over and over though I do have some bits I have hardly worn. I bought a coat from M&S after it was recommended on here and I have realised it was a bit snug before but should be fine now smile. On the other hand I have a lovely dress that might be a bit big now but will be fine with a belt, actually I have a few days dresses that are the same so I might just buy a belt!

zedzedzed Fri 24-Jan-14 20:31:35

M&S and Wallis IS expensive stuff! Well, compared to Primark and should be fine if you do sell some bits. I know charity shops always appreciate quality donations from branded shops like M&S.

I'm still in my post preggo uniform; loose dresses over multipack black leggings, knee-highs, great jewelery and big hair (to distract from the arse!)

I dream of jeans and a top...my old uniform. Sigh.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 24-Jan-14 20:48:05

You will be back in your jeans in no time, ZZZ.

Bumblebeejumble Fri 24-Jan-14 21:45:51

Hello everyone, wanted to weigh in on the difficult first month thing. My first fast day was at the very end of December, and right up to christmas I HATED every moment of my fds. Miserable, cold, horrid headache, glaring at everyone who had food, unable to sleep, etc. I was drinking 3 or 4 white coffees, each with milk and sugar, so had to count out 200 cal, which only left 300 for real food. I lost 1.5 kg in the first week (TOM weight, possibly) which kept me persevering for a bit, even though I didn't lose anything in weeks 2, 3, and 4.

Then, at Christmas (four loooooong weeks in) I suddenly lost 2 more kg. And then the fast I did on Boxing Day was the first that I actually enjoyed. I worked out that for me, drinking a ton of water, and tea with skimmed milk, but no solid food until a no-carb dinner I now genuinely look forward to them, almost as much as my NFDs!

Beginning 1 jan, I stopped eating back exercise cals, unless I'd got like 800 from swimming plus bike ride, in which case I'd eat back maybe 2-300ish. And since then I've lost 4.5 kg. I feel awesome, love the 'thin' feeling the morning after a fast. I weigh daily, and track it on myplate app. The graph is a jagged downward line and that is great! Very motivating.

I had a lot to lose, about 42kg in total (95lbs in old money, I think), so it might not be as fast if you have less to lose.

NSVs include a now-completely-normal blood pressure, a much cheaper supermarket bill, an awareness of relative calorie values, an appreciation of hunger (I.e. Not being scared every single time my tummy even does one rumble) and I now REALLY appreciate my treats!

If you're struggling, I'd humbly suggest sticking with it for 3 or 4 weeks, and ease yourself in by going for 750 or so for first few fasts. Or try 16:8 once a week plus one fast day. Also, counter-intuitively perhaps, I find fast days easier when I'm super busy. Lounging around at home makes the biscuits and lovely lunches just too hard to resist.

Mammoth post over.

craggyhollow Fri 24-Jan-14 21:55:47

Is exercise a NSV?

Today I ran 4k on the treadmill at the gym, 3k,walk for 2 mins then 1k in 6.30 mins which felt amazingly fast to me (I had an operation on my ankle 2 years ago and have been terrified of running since thwn)

I feel GREAT (if knackered now)

MorrisZapp Fri 24-Jan-14 21:58:49

Great post Bumble. I'm a few weeks in, still haven't managed a 500 cal fast yet but I'm working on it.

ErrolTheDragon Fri 24-Jan-14 21:59:07

Jeans... I need to check what I've got, the ones I'm wearing now are loose, have to keep hitching them up, hate belts. Not sure I'm quite ready to get new ones, but when I do not sure what sort - my thighs/calves are more toned but large (esp for my height) - fair bit is muscle but I've frankly got chubby knees (on the inside just above them, urgh) which I'm sceptical about shifting. With the result that I've been stuck on bootlegs as skinnies or leggings are a total no-no, any straight legs I've tried just look meh. Probably if I cared much about style I wouldn't wear jeans.

ErrolTheDragon Fri 24-Jan-14 22:05:12

>Is exercise a NSV?

yours sounds like it to me, craggy. smile

Toffee 2 cm off your waist is a wonderful NSV, directly improves your risk factors for many things. Going from daily to weekly weighing is an important emotional one.
You are dancing into the life you are enjoying from now on.
flowers

Great NSV for you too, MrsF. A nice slim tum again and fitting into your fav glad rags !
flowers

ELR Good to hear you have had the blood tests and also dumped that chiro leech.

Well done on the exercise, Grace. That will reduce your risk for all sorts of nasties. Do pop in and see us on the 5:2 exercise thread Here and let us know what you are doing. Plenty of advice and support for all fitness levels.

How to weigh yourself

Your weight has enough variables already. Don't complicate it even more by inconsistent weighing methods. This is the most reliable:

- First thing in the morning
- BEFORE drinking or eating anything, even water
- NAKED in the bathroom
- AFTER your morning wee and any dump
- Weigh yourself on decent scales, on a flat floor, without carpet or rug underneath
- Same day of the week or month, e.g. after your 2nd NFD in that time.

LilyJoAndMe Fri 24-Jan-14 22:35:41

Well done Craggy on your NSV !

Graceholl, I loved your post. Thanks for reminding me about how my skin is changing and how I feel better in myself. Wow , it's just amazing how I can forget these things simply because I can't see the scales going lower!

I too feel better in my body. But I just loved the way you said it - 'cottage cheese stomachs ' smile and then on a different post , I read 'saddlebags' . These terms really describe the stocks that my poor body is having to hump round each day !

And Bumblebee - yes the supermarket bill is definately cheaper here too smile

ErrolTheDragon Fri 24-Jan-14 22:38:51

My variation on that is that I always weigh after one cup of tea ... facilitates the 'after' item! And if I need to drink more before weighing (scales are in the bedroom and sometimes DH is still asleep) I keep track and subtract, as per my post this morning when I'd glugged a kilo of water in addition to the standard teacup.

(spot the scientists....)

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Fri 24-Jan-14 22:52:34

Loving all the clothes talk. Especially the baggy clothes make you look bigger bit - it's given me a bit of a kick up the arse. I'm wearing jeans that are falling off my hips and I have massive hips.

I need to have a rummage in my wardrobe to find some slimmer ones. Like zed I have some thinner jeans lurking in there - my aim is to get into a size 12 black pair from Warehouse. Bought pre pregnancy at a skinny point in my life, if I can get into those I will be a happy lady.

bumble good post, everyone says to drink loads of water on fast days I know I don't drink enough. Next fast day I'm going to have loads - thanks for the advice.

BsshBossh Fri 24-Jan-14 22:53:33

I follow BigChoc's weigh-in rules except I weigh twice: first thing (after wee) then I help DD get dressed then 15 or 20 mins later (perhaps only a few sips of water) weigh again (after another wee). The difference in weights is intetesting. Eg last week first weigh in straight out of bed was 127.4 lbs, second weigh in 20 mins later after walking around and another wee was 126.6; this morning the first-thing-out-of-bed-and-first-wee weigh in was 126.4 and second weigh in was 125.8.

I realise this makes me look completely mad but even weekly weighers can be as obsessed as daily weighers!

graceholl Sat 25-Jan-14 00:25:14

Thank you LilyJo! I am bummed out about my cottage cheese tummy, though I will take it as a compromise for my relatively taut rest-of-body!

BigChoc, thank you, I will be over to the exercise thread to join in thanks

Great post Bumble and what a great start you've had, I too love the thin feeling the morning after an FD. I am in awe that you fasted on Boxing Day! I have a way to go on this too weight loss wise but we can do it. grin

hopefulgum Sat 25-Jan-14 00:56:16

Bssh, I have noticed that my second morning weigh in is lower too.Yesterday's first (heartbreaking) weigh-in was 76.5 and then a bit later it was 76.1, which was better, but still UP from last week's weigh-in. sad

I have just read through since my last post and there's been so much wonderful advice about stalled weight loss.Thanks everyone.

I know that the scale should not make me feel bad, but I just want to see a consistent down-ward trajectory. However the NSV keep on coming, and that is something I must keep reminding myself about.

Yesterday's NSV: I went into town, ran some errands and whilst feeling quite hungry, was fine with waiting until after 2 to have lunch back at home, where I could eat something healthy (instead of stopping somewhere for hot chips). I also went to the charity shop and tried on some clothes, and was pleasantly surprised at how they looked on me. I found a beautiful Monsoon silk dress, a 14, which fit, but was rather too snug on the belly, so I put it back (it was pricey at $15), but felt good knowing I wouldn't have done up the zip on it a month a go.

I do love charity shops - inexpensive, money goes to a good cause, and its a form of recycling. I also buy a bit from Ebay, but I am a bit of a clothes-a-holic.

I just got asked to up my work hours from 0.8 to full time. I said yes as we can use the money and DS is full-time at school now, but I have to admit one of the motivations was that I would need new clothes for work hmm But then I started to feel a bit anxious about whether I could keep up the 5:2 whilst under a lot of stress at work. I reassured myself, that of course I could, it's a much easier diet than any others I have done.

Which leads me to the whole Yo-yo dieting thing. Perhaps that is why my weight loss isn't large or steady? I always thought of myself as a "healthy" eater, but the truth is I have always been trying to lose weight, have never really been happy with my body (except perhaps the time I became very ill and lost a lot of weight and got down to 120lbs). My parents do not have a healthy attitude toward food and the way I grew up around food was confusing. My mother was always scathing about 'fat" people, who had no control over their gluttony, but she would reward us kids with special treats of food. There was always cake,biscuits,pies,bread,baking for us to eat. And my father is Italian, so although we had very healthy dinners, Meditteranean style, celebrations were huge meals with several courses where we'd stuff ourselves and feel awful later.

So I started dieting when I was about 10 after nasty quips from both parents about how "chubby" I was getting. I have done all sorts of diets at least once: WW, Low carb, Atkins, Whole 30, Paleo, low calorie deprivation....

I think maybe this time doing the calorie counting on NFD's is a good thing, but I will stop eating back the exercise deficit and see if that makes a difference.

I hope 5:2 can heal some of the damage I've done over all these years of dieting. I am well sick of it, and just want to feel well, healthy and good in my body.

MrsF, great to hear about getting that size 10 skirt on so easily. All the long-term 5:2ers are such an inspiration, it really helps to hear your stories and to have a team that cheers one on....thanks

hopeful
It is best NOT to use the method of eating back exercise calories, because
- people tend to over-estimate time, intensity and hence calories burned and
- it can be complicated if you do different types of exercise and
- exercise is not a simple calories in / calories out, because it depends on your individual body composition and how it processes them.

Better method:
- Calculate the TDEE for your exercise level
- Average this for your NFDs

Note: TDEE calculations are an average over the whole population.
Some people - frequent dieter / going through the menopause / longterm steroids user / thyroid problems etc - may well have a lower TDEE than a healthy 1st time dieter of the same gender, age, weight & exercise level.

Note: Increasing your exercise intensity is probably more important than duration when it comes to changing body composition or kickstarting weight loss. HIIT combines particularly well with 5:2/IF.

If your waist is reducing, that is very good for your health, so just be patient and the weight loss will come.

However, if you think you have lost neither weight nor inches or that it is too slow, then try reducing TDEE by 10%. But, do return to full TDEE if this makes you hungry on NFDs.

PavlovsCats Sat 25-Jan-14 08:27:03

Quick post as I really should be getting ready to go to work but just have to post as I'm so excited! I've just weighed myself and have lost 7lb! I have a lot to lose but I'm so happy its coming off and in all honesty haven't found it as hard as I thought it might be remind me of that in a few weeks!

So thank you for both bringing this to my attention and by being such s great support, I may not post everyday but I do read through. Good luck to everyone today grin

MazzleDazzle Sat 25-Jan-14 08:28:11

Lost 2lbs this week!

I have been very strict calorie wise, but have had a takeaway and some chocolate.

Here is a run down of my week incase anyone is interested...

Sat: 16:8 (20% under TDEE)
Sun: 16:8 (TDEE)
Mon: FD (less than 100 cals)
Tues: 16:8 (20% under TDEE)
Wed: 16:8 (20% under TDEE)
Thurs: TDEE
Fri: FD (less than 650 cals)

And 3 hours of work outs, plus daily mini exercise routine (running up and down stairs, squats and plank).

I have now lost a total of 15lbs in the last 2 months and according to my BMI I am no longer obese. My stomach feels flatter, my skin softer and I can comfortably fit into all of my clothes.

I think that what has really made this week a success is not eating until 12pm everyday and not eating anything after 8pm. Managed to stick to this on all but one of my NFDs.

Good luck to everyone who is fasting today! For anyone who is, like me, on a NFD, then enjoy it!

frenchfancy Sat 25-Jan-14 08:39:14

pavlov grin grin great result.

You too Mazzle

Brilliant post bumble

Thanks to a 5:2 thread last year I bought a load of clothes of e-bay for my new size. I've never looked back. My clothes are much better quality than before, I only buy decent stuff off e-bay as I know it will last. And because it was cheap I don't worry about the dry clean only labels, so it means I wear things like coast dresses others may only save for special occasions but I wear them on a daily basis. So far nothing has been ruined in the machine, even my whistles jumper that DH put in on a 60C white wash.

LilyJoAndMe Sat 25-Jan-14 09:02:09

Well done Pavlov and Mazzle. What a great start to your day !
Very interesting to read about the double weigh- ins of a morning and the clothes solutions.
Just done 20 mins exercise here and loved thinking about the chrysalis preparing to turn into a butterfly- lovely image before summer dresses.
I do have a question though. Yesterday someone wrote that exercise causes water- retention. Is this true ?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 25-Jan-14 09:02:47

Bumblebeejumble - Great post. I know if it was just starting or was struggling it would have inspired me to start or carry on.

BigChocFrenzy - It feels so great to have the tape measure confirm I really am losing and things are getting smaller and not just lighter. I didn't even think about weighing myself this morning and am not worried at all about a few days of not weighing at all.

hopefulgum - have you thought about measuring yourself as a barometer rather than weighing on the scales? It is almost more thrilling to see a cm decrease than a pound one as I think muscle weighs more (not that I have any yet). That doesn't sound right does it. A bit like what weighs more - a pound of feathers or a pound of concrete.

BsshBossh - I have been known to weigh myself twice one after the other when I haven't liked the first result. Almost every time the weights are the same.

PavlovsCat - WELL DONE!! That is brilliant. Keep going.

MazzleDazzle - Brilliant!! You have lost in 2 months what I took 5 months to do. I'll be coming to you for tips now grin. I have lost 2 stone since July 2012 (doing stuff on and off) and have one more stone to go though part of me thinks that would be too much confused.

NSV - I was wearing skinny jeans from New Look size 14 yesterday and I got them off without undoing the zip or button. Does that mean I am ready to try a 12? I can't imagine it is as they are snug on my legs. Actually, I just pulled them to try and there is at least an inch of give shock. Roll on pay day, I might get new jeans!!

Not2bObvious Sat 25-Jan-14 09:26:21

Hi all,
Great posts over the last day or so, just reading and contemplating my poa for the next week. I'm down about 1 pound in the last week, but that's on my old scales which is on carpet and probably a bit out. Next Friday I'll weigh with my new super duper scales on a flat surface and hopefully I'll see the same or a loss. Changes for this week are I am keeping away from chocolate as it's affecting my, ahem, movementsconfused Also no wine Mon-Thurs and moving down to low alcohol wine, less head/less cals.
Doing a job for a friend this morning, then in work this avo and for a few hours tomorrow. Can't think about it too much or the stress comes flooding back - but I won't be eating/drinking the stress anymore. Hope everyone has a lovely day

woodchuck Sat 25-Jan-14 09:47:23

Thanks for replying frenchfancy . I have not been exercising at all for the last couple of weeks as I was prepping for a big intrview yesterday. Maybe that's the problem, and I will definitely try to up , y activity levels. Also think that my timings may be wrong. I begin my FD after dinner, say 6pm on Wednesday. I then have a total fast until lunchtime on Thursday, having only herbal tea and lots of water. For lunch I have either a salad or fresh soup, qnd may have an apple or some veggie sticks to snack on. For dinner I may have a poached egg and a slice of wholemeal toast with a bit of salad or baked beans, or maybe soup. Then, as my fast has technically finished at 6pm, I may have a cuppa or some supper later if I feel hungry. On NFD I am eating fewer carbs, more fruit and veg and not having alcohol at all during the week.

I did take all my measurements when I started, but only plan to measure once a month and weigh once a week. I know I am not thinner as I was very uncomfortable in my suit trousers yesterday!

eatriskier I am weighing in my underwear on wii balance board on wood floor. I thought it may be beneficial to chart my progress automatically. Are wii boards known to be unreliable? Maybe I should seek out some proper scales. Does anyone have the body fatmeasuring scales? Are they any good?

Waswondering Sat 25-Jan-14 09:53:52

Hmm. I weigh once a week at the same time. Last week had a good loss. This week, gain of 2 lb which is the wrong direction. I am using MFP, I'm being sensible on normal days.

I've been doing this since 2 jan, and loss is minimal. Pondering ...

DorisAllTheDay Sat 25-Jan-14 11:05:44

Fantastic, Pavlov and Mazzle. Those are great results. And congratulations on your NSV, Toffee.

I had another successful FD yesterday - I noticed I was hungry but didn't obsess about it, and I had my evening meal at about 5.45. The last two FDs I've been full of energy in the evening and had to go for long walks as I couldn't calm down enough to sleep. I've been finding that after FDs, getting to sleep is really hard, because although I'm tired, it's as if I've had too much caffeine and it's whizzing through my system. I read on the tips page that this is a 'hunter-gatherer' instinct - back in the day if you were hungry then your body went on alert so that you could instantly spring up and catch your prey if anything happened along! Which explains it... but doesn't help much. Any tips for getting into the sleep zone after FDs? I don't have any caffeinated drinks on FDs, at all.

hopefulgum Sat 25-Jan-14 11:11:19

waswondering, I am in the same boat and from what everyone has written, it may just be a blimp and next week you will have lost? It seems there are so many variables, and if you are doing the right thing re: tdee on NFD's I can't see why you wouldn't lose eventually?

I have just completed my second fast day for the week. I spent most of the day at the beach with friends,and was able to say 'no thankyou" to all offers of food. DH was there too and managed to do it too. It is my first ever fast day that I didn't eat anything until dinner time! I can honestly say,though feeling hungry from time to time, it passed and I felt fine. I made a beef rib dish, slow cooked in tomato,onion and garlic, which was delicious. I put the recipe into MFP and it came in at 540 cals per 300gram serve. I had a bit less than 300grams and added some roasted corgette. Yum, and was absolutely stuffed by the end of it.

I am well pleased with myself that FD felt easy today. I also managed a 20 minute run on the beach, no stopping! I will sleep well tonight. grin

Mrsfluff Sat 25-Jan-14 11:17:08

Morning, I'm more of a littley than a poster, but I thought I'd pop on and say hello smile

I'm approaching the end of week 3 (official weigh day for me is Monday) and I'm enjoying it so far. I've learnt it's ok to be hungry & tbh, hunger is not something I'm usually that well acquainted with blush

I'll go and have a mooch through the thread now..........

frenchfancy Sat 25-Jan-14 11:18:45

woodchuck yes your timings are wrong. If you are having Tuesday as a fast day then you stop eating Monday evening, have just 500 cals for Tuesday and you fast doesn't finish until breakfast on Wednesday morning. You also do not need the apple and veg sticks to snack on. You are supposed to be fasting not snacking. Give your digestion a rest.

LilyJoAndMe Sat 25-Jan-14 11:20:12

Great stuff Hopeful. Doris
I have a herbal tea and prefer lime tea before bed.

Excellent results, Pavlov, Mazzle

LilyJo If you are just starting exercise, your body may retain about 1-4 lb water to repair the muscle fibres. This water is normally released again over the next couple of weeks, as your body adjusts to exercise.
As you continue exercising, you may continue to retain and release water, usually smaller amounts than initially.
Exercise, especially HIIT, can help improve your body shape and accelerate fat loss, so you see the inches go. Exercise is good for your health.

Megrim Sat 25-Jan-14 11:24:36

I like frenchfancy's idea of buying some nice designer clobber off eBay, hmmmm might have a bit of a nosey this afternoon. I too have a DH that seems to think that everything goes in a 60 degree wash.

Bumblebeejumble Sat 25-Jan-14 11:28:56

Morning! NFD here. I had a fry up for breakfast and I don't feel guilty! I I won't eat until dinnertime now, and there'll be veggies aplenty, so won't be over TDEE unless I get carried away with the wine.

And it's not raining! Long walk with DC planned, everyone wearing wellies so we can jump in the puddles. I've got one of those backpacks for carrying the toddler, that must help burn off a few more calories over 3-4 miles, right? Big NSV for me: my calves are (just) small enough to fit in my wellies!!! Last year, I couldn't get them on. I hope some of the other lots-to-lose posters know what I mean...

Well done on all the people who've been posting fabulous SVs and NSVs. And to all those who are struggling a bit, just know that everyone struggles a bit sometimes. There's no 'right' way to do this WOE, everyone approaches it a bit differently. You can't 'fail' a FD, you just move it to another day! And 6:1 still has health advantages too, so don't feel bad if you don't manage 2 fasts in a week.

I learned a lot from posters like toffee, BigChoc and TalkInPeace (and loads more!), and zed has great recipes for making meals taste good. Reading through old threads helps me enormously, both from good (inspirational) and bad (learning experiences, solidarity when I'm having a bad day) posts, so thanks again everyone.

Doris, I had trouble sleeping on FDs until I moved my meal to about 8PM. That means I'm going to bed on a full tummy, which seems to placate my inner cavewoman a bit.

waswondering We all lose at different rates, but some factors can slow you down:
-Have you been eating back exercise calories ? (folk usually over-estimate these)
-Have you dieted a lot before ?
- The TDEE calculated for you may be too high for your particular bod.
-If you sometimes eat food someone else cooks (not ready meals with calorie count) they may be adding a lot of oil/cream/ butter you can't detect.

DorisAllTheDay Sat 25-Jan-14 11:59:31

Thanks, bumblebee, I'll try that - if I can make myself wait till 8! I'll also investigate herbal tea, lilyjo.

I'm another of the charity shop afficionados. I've lost a lot of weight in the last couple of years (about 5 stone) and although I've taken a lot of stuff to the charity shop, I still have five bags-worth waiting to be taken. I think somewhere in the back of my mind I can't quite believe the weight is off for good (I've yo-yo dieted for 40 years or so, since childhood) and want my big clothes there in case I need them again. I've bought lots of good stuff in the past few months in charity shops, though, and can never go past one now without looking in.

hopefulgum, I think your day at the beach (lucky you!) saying no thank you to offers of food and not eating till dinner time is a definite NSV. Congratulations.

MakeTea If you weigh after a big NFD supper, obviously there is a lot of heavy food and liquid still in your system. That should<ahem> go by the next day.

Anyone who is not losing after the first couple of weeks should start to monitor exactly what they eat on NFDs - you need to average TDEE on the NFDs or you won't have the calorie deficit. Most folk became overweight by not being able to judge by eye the amount of food for their TDEE.
Do check for hidden calories in drinks or sauces etc.
Do not snack between meals.

On FDs, stop eating after supper the evening before, then roughly 500 cals on the FD, then break your fast the next morning.

Hope the scales soon move for you. Good luck.

BiscuitBribery Sat 25-Jan-14 12:09:05

Bumblebee I always carry my toddler in slings and it definitely makes a difference! I've only used the pram with her a handful of times and have found big improvements on my core strength, which continues to improve as she gets heavier grin

I have a gammon joint roasting in honey which I'm going to have with some cheese and a mountain of salad. It smells too good!

MazzleDazzle Sat 25-Jan-14 12:33:01

Bumblebee, Yes! I can squash my calves into my wellies, but it's not a good look, especially if I'm surrounded my other wellie-wearers. I can but dream that one day I too will have a 'gap' between my calves and wellie-tops!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 25-Jan-14 12:42:11

woodchuck - I have scales that remember each separate person's weight. You input your height and it tells you weight, fat content and water content. I got them from Asda and I think they are Salter ones. I can check if you want.

Recipe posted later. I am about to make it and will see how it goes first grin.

I'm FDing today - anyone else ?

Sat or Sun is always one of my FDs. I usually do LOFs, with low carb shakes, because it is so quick and I'm so lazy

I'm currently relaxing with my iPad while the cleaning crew get my dump sparkling clean again and my laundry churns around.
Afterwards I will go to the gym and stay there about 3 hrs. I only lift and spin for 1-2 hrs, but I relax afterwards with sauna, stretching and more iPadding.

This weekend routine works for me, as it keeps me occupied, entertained and away from temptation.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 25-Jan-14 13:27:04

Oh my! It is delicious. Fruit and cheese scone with curried parsnip soup. The soup is under 200 calories, no idea the scone but check out my recipes and make them. You won't regret it smile.

BB enjoy your sauna later. I might go shopping as a cousin had a baby yesterday so I need so buy teeny tiny clothes for him and chocolate for mum.

woodchuck Sat 25-Jan-14 13:30:40

Giving blood on Monday. Is fasting a bad idea? Monday is my usual FD, I am busy Tuesday so cannot swap

Could I do a fast period maybe after lunch on Sunday, and then eat normal lunch and tea on monday (blood donor session at half 5) or woild I be best to forget it altogether kn Monday, and fast on Wednesday. I like to fast in Thursdays too and a bit nervous of this option as I have never done 2 FDs in a row

Waswondering Sat 25-Jan-14 13:46:59

Big choc,

What are back calorie exercises?

Have kept an eye on my weight for 15y. Aim for max of 1.5 st loss, as if I lose a stone that's great. Am within the ok range for bmi, though it's creeping up. A stone means my bmi is perfect.

I did wonder if not aiming for multiple stone would slow me down.

Bumblebeejumble Sat 25-Jan-14 13:48:01

mazzledazzle I don't have a welly gap yet. Still dreaming of that. But they're in, so I no longer fear the puddles grin

non-5:2 query alert. At what age did your DCs stop napping? toddler has just turned 3, so will be going to school 2 1/2 days from Easter. But she still naps for 1 1/2-2 hrs in middle of the day. Is this weird? My other two didn't stop napping until they were 4 or 5, but they only did half days when they started school, so they just napped in the morning.

Woodchuck Definitely move your FD. Nobody should fast the day they give blood. Well done, you, for donating,
flowers

WasWondering Most reliable method is to calculate your TDEE for your exercise level and average that over NFDs. So, don't eat any exercise calories back then.

Best for fat-burning is high intensity exercise, not hours trotting at a moderate speed on a treadmill or jogging outside
Try HIIT classes such as advanced spin or martial arts.
If you don't belong to a gym, then create your own high intensity interval routine with sprinting / cycling / skipping etc

Plenty of ideas and support on the 5:2/IF Exercise thread Pop over and see us.

The absolute best exercise program is the one you like and can fit into your life on a regular basis.

Waswondering Sat 25-Jan-14 14:11:22

(Faints at the idea of doing exercise!!!!) smile

I set my TDEE based on my truthful activity levels (walk the kids to and from school, use stairs at work, family walks most weekends) but hot and sweaty exercise, no thanks. And swimming? Not unless the sun is shining from a perfect sky above me, lol!

smile

AngieM2 Sat 25-Jan-14 15:39:32

Its interesting how we view our activity/excercise levels. I work 2 days in a hospital, 13 hours on my feet, and do at least 4-5 hours in the gym doing high intensity such as spin, pump, circuits. However, for calculating my TDEE on MFP I say I'm lightly active, this gives me a TDEE around 1800. I've only recently changed this as I was putting sedentary and just adding 300 odd cals each time I went to the gym. Certainly when I was at home with my younger kids I would rate this as sedentry even though I was movjng around all day. Maybe I'm a massive under estimator but just a thought

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 25-Jan-14 16:22:35

Back from walking 1.5 hours to the shop and around the shop. I walked so that I could have some chocolate later after our curry without fretting. I am shattered now!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 25-Jan-14 16:26:15

woodchuck - BCF is 100% right. I once gave blood having not eaten anything that morning. It wasn't pretty blushsad.

Talking of wellies , I treated myself to some Hunter boots a couple of years ago and bought the men's ones as the women's were a bit too snug. They are now too big!! I still wear them though as £80 is too much to replace them when they are still fine.

DorisAllTheDay Sat 25-Jan-14 17:18:03

Angie, I never know what to put re activity/exercise levels. I do a lot of walking in a day but no other exercise. I usually put lightly active, and if I do more than 100 minutes' walking in a day I count it separately as exercise. I think I might be under-counting because I do lose weight eating my TDEE calculated that way. But I don't mind - I'd rather get a nice surprise on the scales because I've underestimated than a nasty shock because I've gone too far in the other direction. You sound much more than lightly active to me, though. If you're on your feet all day that's a lot of calories used, and 4-5 hours (weekly, I assume?) of high intensity in the gym seems huge to me.

I've just been looking up this month's bank statement online. My food bill (I live alone, dcs are grown-up and away) is about half what it would be in a 'normal' month. Not exactly an NSV, but it's helping with the traditional January cash-flow problem.

TalkinPeace Sat 25-Jan-14 18:03:32

woodchuck
yup, the bit where you are going wrong is the "technically my fast has ended so I have supper"
you have no deficit if you are having a meal only an hour later ....
the whole point is that you are missing meals and calories, not just deferring them.
Think in terms of 16:8 ie that you only eat in an 8 hour window in every 24 hours
its great for suppressing the appetite.

almostthereagain Sat 25-Jan-14 18:21:42

Will be way over TDEE today, just one of those dayssad Woke up late with a head ache so not enough time to pack my salad. Felt ill whilst out so had the best coffee shop option I could go for. Picked up a good M&S salad option then snaffled some french bread that was going begging then shared a pkt crisps with DS on the way homehmm Still got a meal to go & want a drink IT'S THE W/E!
Tomorrow's another day. Will have to be a good day as out for pizza on mon...I see myself taking a step backwards next week...

almostthereagain Sat 25-Jan-14 18:26:48

I am not eating back/counting any exercise & have logged as sedentary, as last time I think it was detrimental to me mentally iykwim. I could almost kid myself that I had spare cals, 'it says I can have it on mfp!'hmm I would prefer feel virtuous under control, stay under TDEE & count any exercise as a bonus. However, I am not doing anything strenuous but would describe myself as active.

AngieM2 Sat 25-Jan-14 18:45:44

See Doris I dont lose easy - just 1lb a week - but not got much to lose. Have only just done TDEE with activity this week, but I think I'll go back to sedentry and not count any exercise calories in at all. This would give me 1600 cals on my 5 days or less if I need to get another 5lb off (currently 10.3 and would like to be 9.10 for room to manoeuvre) but at 44 not sure my face will take much less!

vvviola Sat 25-Jan-14 18:47:49

Hoping for a light day today to make up for going over TDEE yesterday. But we're going to a seafood festival I think, so it may be a little tricky! I'm itching to try another FD but it will probably be Tuesday before I can do that as it's a bank holiday weekend here and DH wants to do lots of stuff, which always includes brunch/coffee/icecream no wonder I put on weight

Bumblebee - DD1 napped until she was nearly 4 because they had nap time at her pre-school. DD2 is 2.5 and probably only naps every other day (and seems to sleep better at night if she doesn't nap during the day)

Jobyloo Sat 25-Jan-14 19:01:46

Hi all, have been lurking over the last 24hrs, I've been a bit of a mardy bum if I'm honest. Everything was going so well and you know that pride comes before a fall...well thought I could have a FD and make a lemon drizzle cake for a friend...nuff said. I think about 3/4 of the mixture actually made it in to the tin. Then thought to myself well can have a NFD and rearrange the fast day until Sunday. Didn't eat anything else until 5pm where the beast was released...OMG...TDEE was well and truly blown.

So have given myself a serious talking to, can't expect to be perfect at this WOE all the time, back on track today and not going over TDEE. Back to the gym tomorrow and fingers crossed that this blip won't affect WI next Fri.

Some great posts on here today, thanks guys because you've helped me sort my head out!

Megrim Sat 25-Jan-14 19:27:34

I used to have a pair of Hunter wellies too - they lasted me 25 years! The ones in shops now are too narrow for my calves, but the old ones fitted OK? I think you can buy Huntress wellies, which are a wider fit round the calves, so maybe that's what my old ones were - I've always had muscular calves from riding and cycling.

Bumblebeejumble Sat 25-Jan-14 20:15:21

Blagh. Bad evening. Started on the pasta, the garlic bread, then a movie with popcorn and have just eaten nearly all the bloody cookies the kids made this afternoon. Sailed waaayyyy over tdee. And the lunchbox biscuit bars are calling me too. Tell me I haven't undone all the good stuff I've done in the last two months? I thought I had learned some self control! sad angry

Ps why are there a bunch of icons with hats on all of a sudden?

DorisAllTheDay Sat 25-Jan-14 20:44:39

Icons with hats? Nope, can't see them. Are you sure there wasn't a little something extra in your kids' cookies, Bumblebee? I wouldn't worry too much about the odd blip. Just put it down to experience and start again tomorrow. Someone either way up this thread or maybe on the tips and hints thread said it's not what you eat on any one day that counts, it's what you eat in a month. So I gather we can have the occasional melt-down so long as it doesn't get to be a habit.

I've just had my first experience of a NFD when I haven't particularly wanted to eat. Others have written about them and I've been jealous! But today I've experienced it for myself, hooray. I did 16:8 and broke fast with some fruit salad at about 10.00, then I had a big bowl of thick vegetable and lentil soup with a roll (defrosted from the freezer to stop me buying and eating an entire loaf of bread) for a late lunch. And since then I really haven't felt hungry. It's the weirdest feeling and not something I'm used to!

Not2bObvious Sat 25-Jan-14 20:45:48

Don't worry Bumble, 1 high cal day won't matter, as long as it doesn't turn into 7! That was always where I yo-yo'ed in the past, I'd be super strict for a few days, then crank - eats rings around myself, feel guilty and continue the eating for another few days. Close the kitchen now and maybe do a 16:8 tomorrow if you want to repentwink
Day 2 with no chocolate, not too bad. Had some fruit after dinner, not that I was particularly hungry but wanted to up my fibre and also remind myself that fruit can be a nice treat too. Stopped after 2 glasses of low alcohol wine too. Goodness me, so well behaved for a Saturday night. Kitchen now closed in my gaff

Bumblebeejumble Sat 25-Jan-14 20:48:39

Doris: tbenvy tbconfused tbbiscuit tbsmile tbsad tbgrin tbblush

Those aren't normally there, right?

TalkinPeace Sat 25-Jan-14 20:58:12

BUURRNNSS night
had haggis in my pie at lunchtime ...
that'll do

and utterly blowing the TDEE
yeah well, and
or in English : so what if its only sometimes
just be strict for the rest of the week and the calories will flush through rather than settle

Lilliput Sat 25-Jan-14 21:04:51

We've had haggis neeps and tatties. You've got to have plenty if butter and black pepper in your neeps. It was bloody delish.

DorisAllTheDay Sat 25-Jan-14 21:36:32

Oooh, Bumblebee those are Burns Night icons! I take it all back.

Lilliput Sat 25-Jan-14 21:50:20

I've been trying on jeans. 12 a bit too big and 10 too tight. Grrrr.

FD finished at 565 cals, which is fine after HIIT.
I fancied some broccoli and white bean soup, which I make by mixing 2 tins - that's as much cooking as I do normally blush Kitchen is closed.

Now looking forward to my FD tomorrow, after fasted abs and more HIIT spin.

DEVIANT DELIGHTS to enjoy on 5:2

For newbies and a reminder to old hands

Deviant Porridge
- Make your porridge or oat bran as usual
- Add a generous heaped teasp of peanut butter and
- EITHER a heaped teasp of nutella OR 10-15g of dark choc, chopped up
- Stir through

Deviant Rice Pud
- Make your rice pud as usual.
- Then, hot or cold, however you want it
- Add a heaped teasp of peanut butter
- Stir through

LilyJoAndMe Sat 25-Jan-14 22:09:32

Oof Choc,
Yes, what you've told me about exercise and water rétention does seem to fit. I really appreciate the info.
I felt kind of bloated whilst I was doing my exercise seriously - even relugiously - and watching my WOE too.
I kind of felt that my body was holding on to something and that there was not much point fighting it.
I've still found it hard to go with the flow - waiting is not my usual WOL.
So thanks for the info.

LilyJoAndMe Sat 25-Jan-14 22:09:41

Oof Choc,
Yes, what you've told me about exercise and water rétention does seem to fit. I really appreciate the info.
I felt kind of bloated whilst I was doing my exercise seriously - even relugiously - and watching my WOE too.
I kind of felt that my body was holding on to something and that there was not much point fighting it.
I've still found it hard to go with the flow - waiting is not my usual WOL.
So thanks for the info.

Bumblebeejumble Sat 25-Jan-14 22:14:17

Thanks guys, kitchen closed. I didn't quite eat the whole bag of mini eggs, and have firmly vowed to fast tomorrow. And fix the chicken shed door, which got blown to smithereens in that storm this afternoon. Let's hope the foxes don't come out tonight, because I don't think the bin bag I taped over it will keep em out...

Burns night, eh? Hope everyone enjoyed their haggis and whisky!

hopefulgum Sat 25-Jan-14 22:20:41

Just marking my place, otherwise I can't remember where I got up to.

I have noticed that although I am able to go to sleep easily after a fast day, I wake at about 1-2 am. Is that the ancestoral blueprint at work: being more aware in case there's a deer to catch? Somebody mentioned that after fasting we may be alert to catching food?

Anyway, I manage to go back to sleep reminding myself that I can have breakfast when I wake...This morning I had plum clafoutis for breakfast. I had made it for dessert a couple of night's ago, but didn't eat it as I wasn't hungry, then couldn't have it yesterday, so I decided to have it for breakfast. And I am glad I did. It was bloody divine, and only about 204 calories.Less calories than the bloody gluten free bread I had during the week.

It is Australia Day today. Hurray for us! thanks

So we'll be celebrating with a BBQ tonight, followed by pavlova.I will try to keep calories down today so that I can have lamb chops, pavlova and a couple of glasses of champagne.wine

TalkinPeace Sat 25-Jan-14 22:24:06

hopeful
water
more water
ideally a pint before sleep
nothing wakes you up better than dehydration

vicariously enjoying the Southern hemisphere sunshine

Megrim Sat 25-Jan-14 23:14:09

If I drank a pint of water at bedtime I'd be up weeing all night.

I'll secretly admit to quite liking waking up at 1 am and thinking that I can either have another 4 hours or another 6.5 hours sleep.

BsshBossh Sat 25-Jan-14 23:15:00

hopeful yep I'm a FD middle-of-the-night-waker too - even after nearly 12 months of 5:2ing. I manage to get back to sleep with the help of a very <ahem> grateful obliging DH blush. It's all as nature intended grin.

BsshBossh Sat 25-Jan-14 23:16:39

Happy Burns Night & Australia Day folks!

TalkinPeace Sat 25-Jan-14 23:17:40

megrim
not if you are dehydrated : which most women are ...

bssh on the other hand I'd get a gold medal at snoring : I can snore when sober, underweight and facing downwards
DH and I are only parents and married due to effective use of the spare room ....

Megrim Sat 25-Jan-14 23:28:36

TiP - I must be a rare breed. The only time I'm dehydrated is when I've been out on the lash.

Happy Australia day to you and your family Hopeful
flowers cake wine

Breadandwine Sun 26-Jan-14 01:15:02

I've just demolished 2 thick slices of bread* and a load of cold leftover mashed potatoes (curried, with bouillon powder and nooch added!) - which I did not need!

I can't do my usual trick of missing the following morning's breakfast, since it's Sunday - and we always have breakfast in bed (porridge) with the papers on a Sunday morn!

Ah, well, roll on Monday, when I might do a complete LOF!

*Cut from the Mumsnet Loaf!

almostthereagain Sun 26-Jan-14 08:34:12

Was it full moon yesterday? So many of us gone over TDEE!
Better day today everyone.

BiscuitBribery Sun 26-Jan-14 09:05:05

We had an impromptu Indian take away, I've no idea how but I managed to stay just under TDEE! Feeling sluggish today though (too many carbs) so I'm have a 3rd FD to finish off my first week. Steak and lots of green veg planned for tonight smile

Hope everyone's having a great weekend!

Jobyloo Sun 26-Jan-14 10:11:20

Morning all
Biscuits having a 3rd FD too today. Will be having sausage without the mash potatoes but replaced by my favourite mashed swede and carrot and loads of broccoli.

I will get to the gym at some point today as well but for the moment am rather happy having another cuppa in bed snuggled up, whilst it's so wild and vile out there.

hopeful happy Australia Day, enjoy the barbie! tbgrin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 26-Jan-14 10:41:03

Morning all.

I got confused and put the chicken in too soon so it will be ready at 12.23 now instead of 12.30. So that just proves I can't add up either as I thought it was going to be ready about 11.50 when I started typing this pointless paragraph.

Have a ham joint in the oven which will be sliced for DS2's sandwiches, raisin and orange muffins cooling on the table for packed lunches and tea time dessert and a husband who is meant to be clearing out the garage but I suspect is ironing after I told him off grin.

I plan lunch then a 24 hour LOF. Then next time I make soup I am doing French Pea.

Enjoy your days everyone.

My highlight will be when DS2 comes home. He is at PIL and I haven't seen him since 11.20am yesterday and the house feels all wrong without him.

mscnile Sun 26-Jan-14 11:01:19

Another member of the way over TDEE gang here, totm is my excuse but the cramps have now subsided and I'm feeling almost human again. Shredded this morning rather than running as it's pouring with rain and the wind is howling.

Toffee you are a amazing to have done all that already, all I've managed is shred and shower!

TIP our marriage succeeds on a similar basis, holidays are always a struggle...!

hopeful have a great oz day in the sunshineenvy

So glad it's not just me that's struggling this weekend, it really helps having you guys to touch base with! Good luck today everyone.

NotAsTired Sun 26-Jan-14 11:09:26

Hello <waves weakly>

Haven't done any fasting for well over week. I caught a cold, then got laryngitis and then if I was not feeling rundown enough, I got UTI and now I have flu with associated fever/chills. Antibiotics have left me feeling sick and I am worn out. sad You know when you feel as if you are never going to feel better? Well, that's how I feel. Am exhausted.

Sorry for the pity party here but I feel miserable.

NotAsTired Sun 26-Jan-14 11:17:33

One piece of good news is that I am maintaining my weight quite well. Maybe I should go over to the maintainers thread <gulp>.

DorisAllTheDay Sun 26-Jan-14 11:49:31

That sounds very nasty, NotasTired*. I do hope you can hunker down in this revolting weather and get some rest. Sending you thanks for a swift recovery. And I think you should eat whatever you want at the moment - the priority is to get your strength back.

I'm on a train to a work event - three days away, will be back Tuesday night. I've already eaten far too much, there's nothing like hours of enforced idleness to get me eating. And I know I'm going to struggle at the event itself because the food won't be at all healthy and there will be regular breaks to eat/drink some more. I'll do my best not to go mad, but I'm resigned to some weight gain. Next Wednesday, Friday and Sunday will be FDs which is probably the best damage limitation I can do.

Hope your chickens are safe and sound, Bumblebee.

Good luck anyone fasting today. Happy Australia day hopeful and anyone else who is celebrating it.

DorisAllTheDay Sun 26-Jan-14 11:50:59

By the way, what does LOF stand for? I've seen it a couple of times now on this thread.

Abi01 Sun 26-Jan-14 11:53:25

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 26-Jan-14 11:54:01

NotAsTired - I hope you feel better very soon. Don't worry about eating. Just eat what and when you want. DH and I were ill for a month and it was awful The only good thing is it is the end of January and we still have Christmas treats to enjoy. <sending healthy vibes.>

Doris - LOF is liquid only fast.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 26-Jan-14 11:57:22

That is brilliant Abi01! Well done you.

I have lost a few centimetres off my thighs so I am celebrating a NSV too. It is about 4cm after I measured this morning, with it being 6cm since July 2012.

MorrisZapp Sun 26-Jan-14 12:02:01

That's awesome Abi! Your libk

MorrisZapp Sun 26-Jan-14 12:03:49

...your link took me to my own pic though.

WARNING! nobody click on my pic on a FD. Just saying!

Abi01 Sun 26-Jan-14 12:05:53

Ooops sorry I will try and sort it now smile

Abi01 Sun 26-Jan-14 12:09:12

Oh I dont know how to do a link blush

Feel free to just go onto my profile instead and see my photo though!

Bumblebeejumble Sun 26-Jan-14 12:09:35

notastired glad to hear you're not fasting; your poor body needs to focus just on fighting off all those nasties. You must feel rotten. Hope you feel better soon...

Abi01 Sun 26-Jan-14 12:10:16

Ps well done on your NSV Toffee :-)

TalkinPeace Sun 26-Jan-14 12:36:21

NotasTired
you'd be very welcome in the quiet little maintainers corner : and antibiotics are great at making you feel dire - because of course they whack your gut flora too.

abi you need to make your profile public ....
Morris Cake I can take or leave .... cheese on the other hand grin

Abi01 Sun 26-Jan-14 12:53:50

Thanks Talkin

Profile is now public!

zedzedzed Sun 26-Jan-14 13:05:21

Here's my dinner for tonight.

Sticky Chinese Beef with Coconut Rice

Prepare and weigh veg and set aside.

Sliced onions, 118 g
Halved sugarsnap Peas, 160 g
Sliced mushrooms, 100 g
Freshly frozen mixed vegetables, 150 g (carrots,peas,green beans, sweetcorn)

Marinade the beef in this for at least an hour,out of the fridge:

Finest Scotch Beef Sirloin Steak ( trimmed of fat, scissored into fine strips), 175 g

Runny Honey, 1tsp
Tesco Teriyaki Marinade 10ml
Tesco Hoisin Sauce 15ml
3 minced garlic cloves
Half tsp chilli flakes
1tsp mixed Chinese spice
Half tsp ginger
Mirin rice wine or lime juice 2 tsp
Soy sauce or seasalt

Tilda microwave coconut basmati rice, 250g

Stir fry the veg in a couple of tsp of the meat marinade, microwave the coconut rice.
Flash fry the beef in its marinade for no more than 1minute, mix all together and serve with a sprinkle of fresh coriander on top.

Serves 2
TOTAL CALS: 463 per person (add 120cals between 2 people for 3tsp sesame oil on a NFD)

zedzedzed Sun 26-Jan-14 13:11:44

notas poor you, I hope your battered body is on the mend and strong again soon.

Third NFD here before Fast Monday. All's gone well really, lunch out for MIL's birthday lunch (posh fish and chips, 4 cheeky drinks, no pud or starter, well under TDEE, salmon salad for dinner later).

Still under TDEE today (no lunch as not hungry...wtf?????) but planning a creme brulee after beefy/rice dinner tonight.

Hope anyone struggling is able to take a breath, re-boot, re-focus and remember that tomorrow is a fresh, clean slate again...it always is with this woe.

XXX

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 26-Jan-14 13:12:41

Roast dinner has been had. My mash was just delicious smile. I feel like I would like something sweet but as I want to do a 24 hour LOF I am trying to work out what to do. Have just realised that I could start now and then have lunch tomorrow or have something sweet early evening and then fast until Monday evening confused.

Emmabryant123 Sun 26-Jan-14 13:18:27

Have been following this thread for a while but rarely post.
Today I have had porridge with chopped banana and heaped teaspoon of Nutella at 10:30am and I am not hungry for lunch .
Cottage pie and veg for dinner later though.
Tomorrow is a 500 cal fast day.
Nothing till dinner except liquids. Although may have a small soup mid afternoon if very hungry.
Not sure on dinner tomorrow. Either soup protein + veg.

wildwater Sun 26-Jan-14 13:31:57

Great title for new thread. I don't eat breakfast anymore, but end up tasting the batter for the raspberry & white chocolate muffins I am baking every day to sell at the lake. The batter is quite delicious. Probably just two licks.

Am currently just under 58 kg and fighting fit. Belts I brought here from NZ that were tightish now do up to the last notch, loosely! My size 10 jeans are baggy - can't wait to get new non-stretch in the right size. (NZ 8, or 6 - am fascinated to find out.)

For the first time ever I am not terrified of regaining weight. Doing 5:2 really has re-educated my attitude towards eating. Because it has never been a 'diet' it is easy to plan continuing indefinitely. I notice now that my body really does 'speak'. I had just never listened before. Sometimes now my body is indeed telling me to eat more, as I am working hard, walking a lot, and still losing weight.

This morning I played outside with my cat Gris. He raced up a tree, and then it occurred to me: how easy it would be to join him there.

Well, I pulled myself up (with my yoga-toned arms) and suddenly I was ten years old again! I stayed up the tree with the cat for quite a while. It was extremely comfortable and felt like another home.

So now I know - I can happily climb up & jump back down from trees again, just the same as I used to when i lived half my life up them, often wedged in with a book. grin

Notas Big (({hugs})) and flowers
That sounds a rotten collection of lurgies. I do hope you soon feel 100% again.
For now, your body needs nutrients to recover, so no fasting during an antibiotics course. Even afterwards, give yourself a few days before doing an FD.

WildWater Lovely happy story about joining your cat. Rediscovering your tree-climbing skills / feline side has to be an NSV.

Bumblebeejumble Sun 26-Jan-14 13:48:02

Right, have decided to try a LOF. Any advice? I've had 1 x white tea, 1 x berocca and lots of water. Can I have more tea, or does it have to be water only?

Sorelip Sun 26-Jan-14 14:53:12

I haven't posted in ages, and only did so the once, which would usually mean I wasn't sticking to the diet. In this case, I have been, and am already 11lb down from the end of December. Some of that is down to my body returning to normal after birth, but it's still pretty good.

I can't believe how easy 5:2 really is! I know I can stick with it because of it's (IMO) two best points. 1) It really does reduce my appetite overall, so I'm not always thinking about food. 2) It doesn't come with a massive list of things to buy in order for it to be successful. In fact I'm saving money on my food bill because I'm not munching mindlessly.

Bumble Tea is fine, as much as you like. You can sweeten it with Stevia, say, if you want. You can also have espresso, coffee, even crappy diet fizz, basically any zero-cal liquid you like for LOFs.

If it helps to make it bearable: an LOF counts as zero-cal if you have a total of less than 50 cals in the 24 hrs, because that tiny amount won't affect your insulin levels.
So, you can have tiny splashes of say skimmed milk or unsweetened almond milk in your hot drinks. BUT put your day's milk in a little jug in advance, so you don't judge by eye and go over 50 cals.

Good to hear how well you are feeling on 5:2, SoreLip.
If you are BFing, we normally recommend starting at 1000 cal FDs and slowly reducing to 700 cals if you feel ok. That amount makes quite a civilised FD. You decide what suits your life.
smile

Bumblebeejumble Sun 26-Jan-14 15:48:30

Oooh bigchoc that's a good tip about the jug. Ta!

Emmabryant123 Sun 26-Jan-14 16:18:50

Just had dinner cottage pie and veg
Then three French fancies and a cuppa tea.
Now am lof till dinner tomorrow.
Not got enough bread for a sandwich for lunch anyway. Only got a roll for dh, dd and ds anyway.
So wont have any food to take as no left overs from dinner and no soup or anything make and not going to bother with pasta salad.
The hard part will be resisting buying a cake, might just not take the money other than for coffee then I can't buy one hmm

Breadandwine Sun 26-Jan-14 16:25:30

I can't believe how easy 5:2 really is! I know I can stick with it because of it's (IMO) two best points. 1) It really does reduce my appetite overall, so I'm not always thinking about food. 2) It doesn't come with a massive list of things to buy in order for it to be successful. In fact I'm saving money on my food bill because I'm not munching mindlessly.

All good stuff, SoreLip! But you missed out the main one, in most people's minds - the mantra, "I can have it tomorrow!"

And there are many more reasons why this is such a healthy and easy WOL. How about we all add our own to the list - cutting and pasting as we go - and then, when we think we have a comprehensive list, post it on the Tips and Hints thread, or the Inspirations thread?

So, here we go (in no particular order):
We're not deprived of anything - we can always have it tomorrow
It reduces appetite overall - so we're not always thinking about food
It doesn't come with a massive list of things to buy in order for it to be successful
It saves money on food bills because a) We're not munching mindlessly, and, b) We buy less food.

Anyone - please feel free to edit the above - and perhaps change the tense/pronouns etc! And, of course, add your own favourite. smile

(Just to add - I'm not having it tomorrow, since I'll be fasting, so I'm having it today! A couple of squares of Lindt's chilli choc with a cup of coffee. Won't be able to have anything after six!) grin

Breadandwine Sun 26-Jan-14 16:30:14

Make that two and a half squares - the coffee and the chocolate have to finish together! grin

TalkinPeace Sun 26-Jan-14 16:53:54

I just want to hide in the cupboard in Toffees kitchen as I suspect it permanently smells yummy
cooking ham for sarnies : OK I'm a fail as a mum xx TiP

ErrolTheDragon Sun 26-Jan-14 17:00:14

Its my rest days from my normal exercise, but as the weather has been a bit rubbish, I excavated the rowing machine we have in our garage and did a bit on that. Sorta HIIT - 5 mins steady row to warm up, (30 secs as fast as I can get it, 1 minute slow)x5, then the rest of the time to 20 mins at my normal pace.

Planning my FD meal for tomorrow - I have half a celeriac in the fridge. I can use it to make a sort of mash, yes? Quorn suasages will accompany.

Felix90 Sun 26-Jan-14 18:19:30

Hi everyone. Just been reading a few threads on this board and thinking of joining. I've done IF before (4:3) and did quite well, and I'm not entirely sure why I gave it up!

My DD is 5 weeks today and I have a hell of a lot of weight to lose (around 5st ideally). I am no longer breastfeeding her but I am still expressing so she's being combi-fed formula and expressed milk. Does this rule me out of being able to follow 5:2? I've found that now I'm no longer directly bf, I'm not as hungry as I was before so I don't think I'm burning half as much energy as I was when I was bf.

Hoping someone can reassure me if I'm still able to follow the plan? Even if it means upping my calories slightly on fast days.

Thanks in advance!

Hi Felix, welcome along! The book says no while BFing, but there are many members on here who successfully combine the 2. I'm sure some of them will be along shortly.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 26-Jan-14 18:28:48

Give me a few days, TiP. My baking cupboard is so full things often fall out so there is no room for even a teeny tiny Lego person at the moment. I am only cooking the ham for sandwiches as I am fed up of having 20 choices in the shop and not knowing which one to get, plus paying £3-4 for about 3 slices is getting a bit much.

I am shattered. It is annoying me tbh and I have no idea why I feel so tired but I get days like this quite often. I wasn't hungry but came up with some food I wanted so I have had it, loved it, but feel like I have let the side down. I am always wondering why I was all showy offy about doing a 24 hour LOF as I have eaten tonight, will fast tomorrow and won't eat until dinner so it would be a normal NFD-FD situation confused.

I need to make sure I don't get carried away thinking as I am at my lowest I can slacken off a bit as it wouldn't take long to be up 3 or more pounds.

Another thing I have been pondering. My ideal weight range is 8 stone3lbs to 11 stone 2lbs. How is that possible? it is ridiculous. I am 11 stone 2lbs now and if I lost 3 more stones I would be severely thin. No way would it look right.

Toffee, that range is cos Everyone Is Different.

Felix90 Sun 26-Jan-14 18:32:13

Thanks Melanie. I've posted on another existing thread about 5:2 whilst bf but it's about 10 days old so thought there would be more traffic here grin

Hopefully I can do it and start on Tuesday! I'm feeling motivated for once...

Foxsticks Sun 26-Jan-14 18:35:09

Hi all, I'm not sure if you remember me but I popped on early last week to ask if a raging thirst and feeling tired was common with 5:2 as I had just started and the only time I'd felt like that before was when I was pregnant. Well I said I'd update you and I POAS today and got a positive! I'm so excited!!!! A bit gutted that I didn't lose a bit more weight before getting pregnant but I'll just have to be careful not to splurge too much over the next few months. Good luck to everyone with their WOL!

MrsFlorrick Sun 26-Jan-14 18:36:30

Toffee. That wide range is down to build. If someone is small build (usually very small wrists, ankles hands and feet) they would essentially be over weight at the higher end of the range.

Whereas someone with a large build (wide/big wrists ankles etc) would be perfect at the higher end of the range but very thin at the lower end.

You can usually work out your build type based on wrist measurement.

Ill have a google for you and come back as there are several.

MrsFlorrick Sun 26-Jan-14 18:41:45

Here
www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/imagepages/17182.htm

This has me as a small which I knew already.
My GP told me that with me small frame she would consider me overweight if my BMI was over 23.

Perhaps you have a large frame and your ideal BMI may be 24?

MrsFlorrick Sun 26-Jan-14 18:47:36

In fact my frame is very small!

I'm 5'10.5" but my wrists measure less than 5.5". This body frame would have even someone at 5'2" at a small
Frame.

This is why I'm aiming to keep my BMI under 21. Pref around 20. That's 66kg for me. CW is 70kg. My "goal" is just under 69kg as that's 21 BMI. But long term that's where I'm heading
Pre - DC my weight always bounced between 65 and 68kg. So that's probably where it's good for me to be.

Have a look at your wrist measurement Toffee and see where you come
Out

TalkinPeace Sun 26-Jan-14 18:51:11

Tofeee
18.5 to 24 is te range that includes all builds ...
anglaise is a t BMI 19 : she' look like the michelin man at 24 ....
I'm at 21 : I'd look scrawny at 18.5 and lardy at 25
a friend at the gym is a triathlete - all muscle and is 24 : because that suits her build

BMI is a proxy for body fat.
you need to learn to listen to your body and see which weight is right for you

MrsFlorrick Sun 26-Jan-14 18:55:52

Fox!!!! shockshockshock gringringrin

MrsFlorrick Sun 26-Jan-14 18:56:16

Foxgrin. So excited I forgot to write congratulations!!! grin

BetsyBell Sun 26-Jan-14 19:03:57

toffee I'm approx BMI 23 and it seems to suit my small to medium frame and I look pretty tiny tbh. I don't seem myself getting anywhere below 22, especially as I'm trying to get some muscley stuff going on now!

Congratulations Fox! How exciting grin xx

Foxsticks Sun 26-Jan-14 19:04:03

grin thanks Mrs Florrick! I'm so pleased but a bit scared too as I mc last year. Fingers crossed all goes well with this one. Start 5:2 and hopefully end up with a baby - it isn't bad really smile. I'm so pleased though that I'll know how to shift the baby weight when it comes to it!

Megrim Sun 26-Jan-14 19:13:46

Foxsticks - congrats!!!

I put on 1.5 stone with DS1 (pigged out!) and it took me a while to lose it (did the Scarsdale Diet, if anyone remembers that one). I was determined not to do the same thing with DS2, so ate more carefully and didn't put any additional weight on at all (just as we'll as I also had the separated abdominal muscles thing).

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 26-Jan-14 19:17:34

Apparently I am medium build. My wrist was 6.5inches. So what does that make my ideal weight? I was 10 stone 2lbs when I got pregnant. I was 9 stone 3lbs when I was 21. I am 41 now and would be worried about losing another stone hmm. Who knew being too thin would scare me confused.. It so is never going to happen, is it?

Congratulations Fox. flowers.

curveballs Sun 26-Jan-14 19:20:32

Firstly huge congrats to fox!! grin

Haven't posted for a couple of days, and not had chance to catch up with thread properly

Been poorly this weekend. Think mrs f was right about possible dehydration. Was so busy stressing at work last week, that didn't feel hungry during fast days at all. Unfortunately forgot to keep drinking as well. Massive slap on the wrists, and lesson learned. Thanks mrs f thanks

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 26-Jan-14 19:29:49

What do you all do when you knackered to make it go away?

I am sat here so tired I could cry. I have just eaten 4 biscuits. Enjoyed them very much but I ate them to wake me up which is ridiculous and all I want to do now is stuff my face. I want white bread, lurpak and the ham I cooked for DS's packed lunch. DH has annoyed me by asking if I wanted anything, me saying don't know what I want, he comes back with wine for him nothing for me and tells me to get it myself as I will burn calories off walking to the kitchen. Anyone convict me? hmm.

MrsFlorrick Sun 26-Jan-14 19:31:20

Toffee. ((((Hugs))))). Relax!!!
You're currently 25bmi? Correct?

With a medium frame 22 to 23 BMi would probably suit you.

Not sure how tall you are exactly. Tell me and i will work it out for you

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 26-Jan-14 19:32:45

Can't even type properly with the tiredness. Of course I meant, ....when you are so knackered to make it go away.

MrsFlorrick Sun 26-Jan-14 19:34:17

And Toffee with a medium build you wouldn't suit the lower end of the range. So don't worry so much!!!

Over the next few days I will dig out a fat photo of me and stick it on profile next to a current snap. Just to show you what is possible.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 26-Jan-14 19:35:45

I am 5 foot 5.5 - 6inch. Depends who measures me.

I think my BMI is 25.2.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 26-Jan-14 19:37:54

I can't get my head around me being this weight when my baby was 2 months old, I must have had bigger breasts as was a J cup in my feeding bra yet I still am over weight really but feel slim as I was so fat before and now I am annoying myself so do ignore blush.

MrsFlorrick Sun 26-Jan-14 19:42:43

Toffee

65kg is 10.3 st and that is 23 BMI for you

That's just one small measly st