The 5:2 thread number 36 - Fighting (& losing) the Battle of the Bulge? Eating too much junk? 5:2 is a healthy, sustainable way to achieve & maintain your goal weight. Join our friendly support group!

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The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a TDEE calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV/LSV = Non scale victory/Lifestyle (change) victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
_Other Threads_
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
_Tips and Links_ : Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
_Inspirational_: eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
_Recipes_: frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
_Exercise_: bigchocfrenzy has an incredibly informative and helpful exercise and fitness thread for discussion and advice on combining 5:2 with an exercise regime.
_Maintaining_: If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
_Other links_
This is a BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
This Telegraph article comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.
This blog post gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this article appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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wildwater Tue 14-Jan-14 15:30:13

How do we know if a thread is full? Is this all explained somewhere?

Threads can have up to 1000 messages. I will post on thread 35 when people should start to move here, to Thread 36

NotAsTired Tue 14-Jan-14 16:12:10

BigChoc that links brings me right back here.

Eatriskier Tue 14-Jan-14 16:12:38

thanks

NotAsTired Tue 14-Jan-14 16:12:59

Ooop, don't mind me. Muddle head on today.

TimeToPassGo Tue 14-Jan-14 16:38:31

Marking place smile

Dotty342kids Tue 14-Jan-14 16:39:29

ooh, you're all so quick grin Thanks for new thread though...

zedzedzed Tue 14-Jan-14 16:52:16

Yo!

RavenousRunner Tue 14-Jan-14 18:09:29

Marking place with some buttered bread crumbs

TalkinPeace Tue 14-Jan-14 20:06:04

TiP luffs baguette and butter on a NFD grin

BsshBossh Tue 14-Jan-14 20:22:09

Thanks BigChoc smile

For those of you spiritually inclined here's a short piece in the BBC magazine about fasting priests and monks:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25592458

... disciplining the mind
... shifting the focus from food to prayer
... don't feed the lions on Fridays grin

curveballs Tue 14-Jan-14 20:23:35

Marking place grin

Tiredemma Tue 14-Jan-14 20:24:13

<locks chocolates in boot of car>

CinammonGirl Tue 14-Jan-14 20:30:55

Hey all, FD dinner was lush, roasted red peppers stuffed with tomato cous cous and feta cheese. Feeling peckish again now and quite tired so I have enough cals left for an options hot choc, going to have that then go to bed and read. All in all I feel it's gone really well for my first fast day!

Could someone please clarify something for me? I used the link at the top to calculate mu TDEE and its saying 2383 cals - can this be right? It seems awfully high. I'm 5ft2and weigh 87.9kg BMI 35.4. Does the TDEE seem right?

Tiredemma Tue 14-Jan-14 20:31:38

cinnamon- whats your age and do you do any exercise?

curveballs Tue 14-Jan-14 20:31:49

Now you just need to hide your car keys tiredemma wink

Southeastdweller Tue 14-Jan-14 20:32:08

Thanks BigChoc.

Hi, Cinammon, Seems about right. Your TDEE depends on your weight and activity level, as well as height and age. Your TDEE will fall as you lose weight (unless you increase muscle and exercise a lot)
I'm 5ft 3 ins, with 2400 TDEE at age 57, because i'm a gym bunny.

TalkinPeace Tue 14-Jan-14 20:35:50

Cinnamon, with your BMI, yup, that is probably about right. Have you set it for sedentary?
Therefore you'll be able to do 500, 2000, 2000, 500, 2000, 2383, 2000
and get the benefits

Tip Thanks for all the great 5:2 advice at the end of thread 35 (I was showering after Crossfit training)

Dotty342kids Tue 14-Jan-14 20:37:48

spilsons I'm very similar. My "danger zone" is 1-3pm. Once I get past then, do the school run and start prepping dinner for the kids / us then I'm usually safe and just look forward to a FD dinner. In fact, I should schedule in all phone calls and meetings for those times, just to make sure I can't go near the kitchen! grin

CinammonGirl Tue 14-Jan-14 20:38:31

Thanks for the replies tiredemma and bigchoc - I'm 33 and I do 30 minutes spinning 3 times a week, walking with the dog and yoga when I can. It just seemed a lot - will I stick with losing weight if I don't try to eat that amount on NF days?

TalkinPeace Tue 14-Jan-14 20:40:05

Bigchoc
I'd just had a damp cat land on my lap and was having a funny 30 seconds grin

Breadandwine Tue 14-Jan-14 20:40:12

For anyone struggling to make it down to 500 cals on a FD: when I started, pre-Horizon programme, I was nervous, so I halved my calories - going down to approx 1200 twice a week. And I still lost weight - 8lbs over 6 months.

Even so, I've just remembered, I found myself googling "What can you eat on a fast day" in the evening. grin

Nowadays I can cheerfully manage on a <150 calorie FD - or even go through the day on liquids only.

It's amazing what the body gets used to.

So, what I'm saying is, you don't have to jump in at <500 or <600 calories. Just ease yourself into things gradually. Same with eating 3 meals on a fast day. I did this for a while, then decided I wouldn't eat until I became hungry. This never happened, and I ate my evening meal just to keep my wife company! I found it far easier to fast for 24 hours until dinner rather than have the faff of making three low-cal meals. But I could never have done this in the beginning!

BTW, I love to see just how quickly newcomers to this WOL start giving others a helping hand! flowers

Thanks for the new thread, BCF! 6 days, eh? That's manic! shock

Ubik1 Tue 14-Jan-14 20:41:17

Hello
I am new, I did 5:2 back in 2012 and lost half a stone. Have had a rather indulgent Christmas and seem to be on a bit of a sugar frenzy - it's funny how you get used to eating sugary things and they are hard to resist.

So anyway. Today first day and have eaten 600 calories which is more than I wanted to but, hey got to start somewhere. Will be more organised on Thursday with recipes taken from the thread. Thankyou for this thread, it makes 5:2 a little more enjoyable.

Exercise-wise I'm continuing with Bikram yoga twice a week. It's mainly filled with fit young things which is another incentive to shift my gut!

BsshBossh Tue 14-Jan-14 20:43:49

TIP love love love your TIPs at the end of last thread grin. TIPisms!

Eatriskier Tue 14-Jan-14 20:53:59

I've had a yummy roast dinner, 97g of good chocolate and am settling down with a couple of ales. A calorie bomb, but a planned one!

Mumraathenoisylion Tue 14-Jan-14 21:05:14

Just checking in, I've only posted a couple of times but find reading your posts very helpful.

Completed my 3rd or 4th fast day yesterday? It depends as on the first fast day I gave up at 7pm and had a chinese takeaway, so probably my 3rd true fast day. I had quorn chilli for dinner - calories calculated by me rather than a recipe but found it really filling and I enjoy having at least two days a week off meat or fish.

Also very pleased that I've found the weight watchers ready meals for days when I don't have the time or energy to cook a main dinner.

frenchfancy Tue 14-Jan-14 21:10:42

Well done BigChocFrenzy and I'm loving the TIPisms

NotAsTired Tue 14-Jan-14 21:17:17

Yay! FD over. In the end, it was not too much of a struggle. I had a small bowl of soup at 4pm and my dinner at 6ish. Off to bed soon.

BetsyBell Tue 14-Jan-14 21:17:30

flowers BigChoc

Some of these needed?

CLENCH

MEDS

DRINK WATER

grin

Tinkertaylor1 Tue 14-Jan-14 21:19:07

Hi ladies hope your all well

Tiredemma Tue 14-Jan-14 21:22:14

I fell off the Wagon today so will try harder tomorrow.

Gluezilla Tue 14-Jan-14 21:31:42

Marking my place so I can find you all again.
Off to bed with a herbal tea - night everyone smile

zedzedzed Tue 14-Jan-14 21:32:45

I'm full. I'm really full.This is some kind of miracle woe. I hope anyone struggling today isn't pissed off with my loving this but is reassured instead. It'll be me struggling another day.

STILL haven't got to the shops as am so busy up-cycling crap chairs and posting twaddle on t'internet.
So here's my 'Whaddafucksstillleftinmafridge NFD Dinner II' (sorry to FD peeps, but you can eat it tomorrow:

Stuck this lot in the oven: honey & fennel sausages, skin-on boiled tatties, lightly sweated onions&mushrooms, steamed green beans, spring greens & peas, drizzle over a little olive oil, balsamic glaze, chilli, salt n pepper, fennel seeds& pop in oven for...um...the length of two baby baths, a baby feed & emptying the nappy bucket, top with coriander (still from that manky old bit) served with a poached egg on top (of the dinner, not the nappy bucket). YUM.
And a yoggy pud after.
And a hot chocolate in a minute.

Not only am I truly full but I still have 800 cals of TDEE left as I had to stretch this dinner to three not two people at the last minute.

WTF? Amazing appetite reduction going on here. Anyone else?

Yeah, I would still love to stuff shite down me gub coz I've been gratifying myself that way for ages and it's a hard habit to break (giant Galaxy, whole Camembert, my old Christmas friends) but the difference is I'M NOT HUNGRY ANYMORE SO I WON'T. Very odd indeed.

EarSlaps Tue 14-Jan-14 21:49:13

Marking my place

DRINK WATER

Maeve789 Tue 14-Jan-14 21:55:25

When u r at your correct weight u switch to 6:1

TalkinPeace Tue 14-Jan-14 21:58:14

Maeve - many of us have not - we stick with 5:2 as it leaves more leeway for wine

BsshBossh Tue 14-Jan-14 22:00:49

zedzed snap on the appetite reduction but it took me several months of 5:2 to get to this stage; it's taken you several days! This WOE most definitely suits you smile

ELR Tue 14-Jan-14 22:01:37

It's a weird feeling isn't it zzz!
Was just debating whether to have something to eat ie a snack! But then I clicked on the last thread and saw tips no snacking and changed my mind! I've clenched and had a glass of water instead! Thanks
Off to bed in a minute night all.

Southeastdweller Tue 14-Jan-14 22:06:12

My appetite also reduced shortly after starting 5:2 a year ago...maybe my stomach shrunk, I don't know, but it helps to keep my calorie consumption down on NFD's and helps me maintain. But I always encourage the occasional splurge if anyone feels like it.

zedzedzed Tue 14-Jan-14 22:07:21

God, I hope so, Bsssh hope it doesn't all go saggy-tits-up any time soon as I'm loving it. Hoping the dreaded weigh-in next month will confirm the koolness of this woe with a nice loss so I can relax (about this choice, not about what goes in my gob willynilly!) and let my body find its way back to normal and healthy.

Off to bed, NFD tomorrow, Cake Wednesdays at playgroup tomorrow now holds no dread...I can have a wee bit without being a failure or setting off a big cake binge.

thanks all. Night.

DottiestDoris Tue 14-Jan-14 22:18:58

Evening all! Marking place but also want to say that I made Rocky Road muffins today with ds1 and ate one guilt free as made allowances elsewhere to come in under my TDEE. I love this woe. I might even have one tomorrow too!

missjemima Tue 14-Jan-14 22:19:04

Hello! de-lurking quickly to ask a question... Have been fasting the last couple of weeks, all going fine. Went to docs yesterday with a raging sore throat (tonsillitis) and now on penicillin for 10 days. Should I stop fasting? Any experiences? TIA

DottiestDoris Tue 14-Jan-14 22:20:05

Evening all! Marking place but also want to say that I made Rocky Road muffins today with ds1 and ate one guilt free as made allowances elsewhere to come in under my TDEE. I love this woe. I might even have one tomorrow too!

missjemima flowers Hope your throat gets better asap.
We always recommend NO fasting when ill; even if you have a cold, best to cancel an FD. With antibiotics, don't fast until you are well again.

While ill:
- Drink plenty of water
- Avoid junk and snacking. eat as healthily as you can, to help your body.
- Aim for around TDEE daily, but don't force yourself to eat if not hungry.
- Avoid vigorous exercise, but if the weather is good and you feel like it, then wrap up warmly and take a short walk outside.

ImABadGirl Tue 14-Jan-14 22:47:33

woo hoo new thread, just got home from an important footie game, I did havw the biggest hot dog and half a pint of stout...oh and 3 mars bars!

Went over TDEE by 89 cals, fast day tomorrow smile

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Tue 14-Jan-14 23:11:51

bssh I like that bbc link. It seemed to suggest it can take a while to get used to fasting. So if you are struggling at first maybe you should ease yourself into getting down to 500 over a few weeks.
Breadandwine's experience seems promising, managing a 150 cal fast is impressive.

My fast day is over and I'm on 800 cals. Nfd tomorrow woo hoo.

Breadandwine Tue 14-Jan-14 23:20:46

missjemima Pamper yourself until you recover!

That's what I do! wink

AmeliaToppingLovesShopping Tue 14-Jan-14 23:20:50

Hi how do you all know how many calories you have eaten?

Today I have had (NFD)

--Small bowl of Morrison's mighty malties with semi skimmed milk

--Cheese and Broccoli pasta n sauce

--Can of Morrison's source (energy drink) that has lasted most of the day

--Hot chocolate at Morrison's

--Small box of Raisins

--A third of a jar of Pataks Korma sauce with chicken and veg plus a garlic and coriander naan

--Am thinking of having an orange as feeling hungry

How can I work out how many calories I have eaten?

Some of it shows the calorie count on the packet but the curry jar doesn't.

Also I am anaemic and have been prescribed iron tablets that the doctor suggested taking with the soluble vitamin C tablets, do I need to count these in the calorie count?

Thanks smile

lubeybooby Tue 14-Jan-14 23:25:10

First FD done with a total count of 485 cals. I am so chuffed!

The 'I can have it tomorrow' mantra works so well.

hopefulgum Tue 14-Jan-14 23:34:22

Amelia, many of us use the My Fitness Pal app or website to determine calories. Just google and you will find it.

I am guessing your iron and vit c woudn't have many calories, so perhaps don't worry about including them?

Another new thread. It is amazing the pace of these threads!

In the last thread there was discussion about "diet" or "WOL or WOE". I guess it does depend on your own personal desires and feelings about it. It can be used as a "diet" to get to desired weight, then just go back to your old way of eating. But I prefer to look at it as a WOL as I know if I were to stop once reaching goal, I'll just get weighty again, as I did on all the other diets I did.

I have been thinking a lot about this WOE and here are some thoughts:
•Eating only 500 calories a day, for two days a week has taught me all about hunger, how it will pass, how I often eat when I am not hungry,and how I won’t faint from it.
•I feel more in control than I ever have in the past. I have done almost all the diets available out there. Each time, I lost weight. But I had to deprive myself which ultimately lead to failure and weight gain. This feels like it is doable,and long term(for life I hope).
•I now feel very optimistic that I will lose weight and gain health. Instead of feeling ashamed of my body and envious of slim people, I now look at slim friends and think, “it won’t be long, and I too will be that slim and also healthy”.
•I really like that on NFD, I am able to manage my appetite and eat more mindfully. I really think about what I want to eat, why I want to eat it and whether I really should. I used to just shovel it in without really thinking, then feel lousy for not being mindful.
•For me, I feel a sense of freedom on this WOE. I can eat anything. Whether it is fatty or sugary or creamy, I can eat it if I want to. There is no food that is off limits.But what I love is that I don’t actually want to fill up on all the wrong stuff.It is almost like this WOE has re-educated my palate and my mind.

What’s not to love about that? thanks

positively9something Tue 14-Jan-14 23:41:56

Hi all non fast day here I have completely over eaten again today hmm

I have been fasting all over Christmas and following it and only really missed one fast day but have went over on cals some fast days and I'm not loosing weight. I havnt been on the thread much and I think that's why I'm not doing so well. I've also been eating the evil chocolate again confused which before Christmas I had stopped

Deux Tue 14-Jan-14 23:49:57

Goodness, this moves so fast.

I still can't believe that I've managed my first FD. After my high-on-tuna-and-pickled onions thing, I had 80 calories left. I toyed with having some tinned tomatoes then realised that I just didn't want any more food. <strange>.

So instead i had 200 mls of skimmed milk with 5 g of Green and Black's cocoa. On my, such a delicious and satisfying treat. I think i ended my day being 20 calories over, so I'm quite pleased.

Glad to hear that I'm not the only one getting a bit high too.

It's great being able to tap into this thread. Well done everyone. I'm going to bed where i shall dream of breakfast.

mscnile Wed 15-Jan-14 07:02:20

Another new thread, already, barely managed to post on the last one!

Zzz congrats on the appetite! I was driving home yesterday, a 2.5 hr journey and had to stop for a week managed to resist the sweets then are an apple in the car instead and could barely manage to finish it, amazing!

Amelia I use MFP for calorie counting, I find it's pretty good.

FD today, looking forward to it! Weighing in tomorrow

mscnile Wed 15-Jan-14 07:04:52

Positively I have struggled a bit on NFDs since Christmas! I think it takes a while and it's a yucky time of year too

Hopeful your points totally summarise it for me! love it!

positively9something Wed 15-Jan-14 07:53:21

Mscnile - yes I think this time of year doesn't help. Yesterday I noticed I wasn't that hungry but when I got home in the evening I proceeded to comfort eat so much chocolate! I'm going to have to ban it from my home again, if it's not there I can't eat it

zedzedzed Wed 15-Jan-14 07:56:43

hopeful Yes! I could've written that, in fact I think I probably did a few million posts and a couple of fasts ago!

That's how I feel too, perhaps for a certain type of over-eater the fasting re-sets the appetite and by finally, FINALLY after years of deprivation and fat-free Hell we are finally satisfied, so then we are freed from the out of control hungry feelings which have lead us to binges in the past?

Whatever it is, I'll take it! I'm fully aware this may be the honeymoon and there will be lots of struggles and setbacks, but like your username, I am now at least hopeful!

nouvellevag Wed 15-Jan-14 07:59:04

Morning all! Well done yesterday's fasters! I finished the day on around 600 cal in the end - I went 100 over by going for a heartier soup and deciding to put a spoonful of creme fraiche on top. I feel OK about that to be honest. Next time (tomorrow sad ) I'll try eating different things at different times and see if it helps me feel better.

Just had two slices of toast with lemon curd for breakfast. It was delicious but I am really feeling full now. On a normal day I'd have waited until after the nursery run, when I was ravenous, then eaten a normal breakfast and been snacking again within an hour. It'll be interesting to see how this morning goes.

zedzedzed Wed 15-Jan-14 08:04:51

Amelia I use MFP, set it to maintain and it'll calculate what you can eat for a day to stay the same weight, but then because of your 2 fast days you will build up a deficit of calories over the week.

It has a big database of brands and foods and you can save meals to make it quicker and add ingredients to make and save your own recipe.
It's amazing how much is in things and how little is in others and that's really important for FDs (and on non FDs you'll be amazed how much yumminess you can have. Plus you can add up your whole week and either take it easy at the weekend if you've gone over or have a few drinks/extra cake if you're under. Good luck!

mcsnile Yes! It's mental eh?! Woo-hoo! Good luck with weigh in tomorrow (I'm not weighing till Feb!)

zedzedzed Wed 15-Jan-14 08:08:34

mscnile not McSnile...sorry, that's my Scottish eyes!

Morning Nouvelle, hope you get the same not that hungry thing I've had. oooooh, lemon curd, yum. I made a lemon and grapefruit curd for a sandwich cake once, with clotted cream on top....lush!

TheBitchesOfWeestick Wed 15-Jan-14 08:18:31

Morning everyone smile have decided to axe this week's 2nd FD - I have a skills assessment for a job tomorrow, need to prep today and am crazy busy on Wednesday anyway, so I'm taking the pressure off myself for this week. No biggie, will get back on it next week. Great to avoid the failure boomerang, iyswim grin

Mmm, haven't had lemon curd for ages!

Can't decide whether to fast today or not. I ate so much crap yesterday that I undid most of my good work from Monday's fast! I reined it in by the evening by having a healthy dinner and closing the kitchen, but had consumed significant amounts of chocolate both at home and work before then. I might just eat sensibly today, or do 16:8, or just go the whole hog and call it a FD. I'm certainly in no rush to start eating.

Well done new fasters - most of you seem to be coping really well so quickly!

This is definitely a WOL for me. I've ranged from 5:2, liquid fasts and 6:1 to no fasting for a month without gaining more than a pound or two, so I am very confident it works.

jemima get well soon.

Thanks for yet another new thread, bigchoc

missjemima Wed 15-Jan-14 08:59:59

Thanks postmanpat smile

And thanks BigChoc for the advice... I'm doing my best to fuel my body with goodness to get better. Drinking enough water always gets me though!

Breadandwine will also try your idea too!grin

Tiredemma Wed 15-Jan-14 09:09:42

Giving it another blast today. Ended up eating 1200 calories yesterday (mostly consumed after 4pm) which was still under my TDEE but I really wanted to fast properly.

I haven't had anything to eat yet- going to hang on for a while and have boiled egg.

Good luck for today

vvviola Wed 15-Jan-14 09:13:51

Eek! Things do really move fast around here.

1st FD yesterday was surprisingly ok. Learnt that I don't need a big sandwich for lunch - that a big bowl of spicy chicken noodle soup is brilliant. So much so that I had it again today (with the addition of a slice of toast).

As expected, afternoon was tricky - DD1 had a play date so I was hovering around the kitchen/ playroom keeping an eye on things and the pull of the cupboard was huge.

I think I may have gone slightly over the 500, but not too much.

I also probably went over my TDEE today as I was celebrating getting a first in my Masters by having coffee and cake with a friend - but the light lunch balanced it out a bit.

2nd FD tomorrow. Fingers crossed it's ok.

BsshBossh Wed 15-Jan-14 09:20:38

vvviola congratulations on getting both a Masters and a 1st thanks wine cake.

Jobyloo Wed 15-Jan-14 09:26:27

Morning all, I'm on a FD too. Not got anything planned apart from prawn stir fry for dinner, if I need lunch will defrost a soup from the freezer.

These threads are so energetic, I love it. Thanks to you guys who keep them going. I've been looking at the links above and there is so much useful stuff to read and watch.

Zedzed hat off to you for not weighing in until Feb, can I just ask what spurred you on to make that decision. I need to divorce myself from the scales and not get so hung up,on fluctuations.

vvviola wow 1st in your Masters that's a great achievement! No wonder you celebrated. I find nished my in 2012 and it was such a relief.

hopeful great post and I think you're summing it up for a lot of peeps on here.

Just wondered who else was being t-total in Jan? I am and at the minute feel cushioned because I'm not drinking but come Feb I think that's when the challenge will really start for me. Trying to ingrain good habits now so I'm prepared for Feb. don't tend to snack a lot until I've had a bottle glasses of wine wink

Have a good day peeps

Jobyloo Wed 15-Jan-14 09:27:09

* finished mine*

CuckooAtchooUhOh Wed 15-Jan-14 09:31:34

Hopeful - lovely post! thanks

Positively9 - so you didn't gain during that whole Xmas/no loss period??..... Celebrate that - it is more than many of us managed half a stone me included! Well done!!!

I think for many of us - as with general life - the whole of Jan can be a funny month. Very strange come down month after the build towards Christmas. Not just food, but everything. Tbh - any achievements this month will be considered miracles bonuses. When I think back to previous years, I can already see a marked improvement on where I am - across the board.

As spring draws nearer and the days get longer, not to mention some much needed sunshine hopefully starting to appear; I think it will get easier for all of us.

So if you're doing well already - then give yourself extra pats on the back. Well done you!!! grin [gold cup]

Successful fast day yesterday. Somewhere around 600, so I'll take that thank you very much!
Attempting back to back today, in order to fit two in, as have couple of meals out later in week and won't manage it then.

Good luck all today! Can't keep up either (yawn), but from what I am seeing, the mood has turned from doubtful/fearful to positive and happy, and you're all making brilliant progress!

Whoever was talking about euphoria yesterday - yes! I definitely get a genuine hyper happy buzz out of it sometimes, especially in the early days. The good news is, it is all legal and healthy!! grin

CuckooAtchooUhOh Wed 15-Jan-14 09:33:20

Vvviola cake brew wine flowers - Congratulations and well done!!!!!

BsshBossh Wed 15-Jan-14 09:34:49

I agree that January is a difficult month after the abundance of food during and post- Christmas. Last year I didn't start 5:2 until February as I'd spent all of January dithering about it (couldn't bring myself to leave Christmas behind!). But by the time February rolled round I was on it!

RavenousRunner Wed 15-Jan-14 09:48:15

NSV for me this morning - for only the second time in 18 years of running I got straight out of bed and out the door. I usually have to have a coffee and some movement IYKWIM before I dare venture out, but didn't wake up tll 6:20 and knew I had no time. Would have put it off for tomorrow but didn't want to mess up my FD.

It was a miserably sloggy 4 miles, but at least it's done and can be ticked off on the schedule. Huzzah.

Darnley Wed 15-Jan-14 10:02:06

Help needed.

Started 5:2last week and am doing 4th FD today. After an initial loss was spurred on and have stuck to it, not overheating on NFDs, no alcohol etc. ave been genuinley pleased with myself.

This morning, have gained 2lbs!!! Can anyone explain why?

Am now just grimly determined rather than highly motivated. Does not feel positive.

lubeybooby Wed 15-Jan-14 10:05:32

ahh, sweet sweet NFD. Is it wrong to already be appreciating that SO much?

lubeybooby Wed 15-Jan-14 10:07:12

Darnley you must not weigh in more frequently than weekly, it fluctuates too much to get a sensible result. Weekly is the very minimum measure, so count it from whatever you were before you got that 'initial loss' smile

CuckooAtchooUhOh Wed 15-Jan-14 10:27:32

Darnley

Are you drinking loads of water? In case you haven't heard grin it helps!

And/or having lots of salt/caffeine - these may cause fluid retention.

Have you increased exercise dramatically and therefore possibly swapped muscle for fat?

Finally, and my favourite....

Where are you in your cycle??? I am obsessed noticing just how much it interferes with the body. I know for example, that I can gain 5lbs in build up to period (water weight), but thankfully it goes once I've started.

Don't lose heart!! It's a blip - not a blimp!

DinoSnores Wed 15-Jan-14 10:33:18

darnley, if you are going to weigh in daily, use an app like Happy Scales that will smooth all the daily ups and down out. I love it. To be fair, I am a scientist and a bit geeky but I like to weigh myself every day and see what is happening.

cuckoo, hope your back to back FDs go well.

vvviola, well done! Lots of NSVs there!

CuckooAtchooUhOh Wed 15-Jan-14 10:40:00

No Lubey it is not wrong!

Providing you don't overdo things consistently across the week on your nfd (way above tdee), then what you are experiencing is one of the many joys of living this wonderful WAY OF EATING / WAY OF LIFE!

Enjoy! Just try now, to pay attention to when your stomach tells you it's had enough.

The key to really sustaining control over your weight, is to only eat when you are hungry, and to STOP, when you are no longer hungry.

This way - you get to eat whatever kind of food you like! Lard sandwich anyone???

grin

And just think.... because you are fasting, not just 'dieting', you are gaining all of those wonderful HEALTH BENEFITS, that come from fasting and giving your body that much needed break sometimes.

ErrolTheDragon Wed 15-Jan-14 10:47:49

Wow, I was expecting there to already be a couple of pages on here! Hello all. Yesterday NFD ... I don't calorie count on them, part of my reason for doing 5:2 is that I hate calorie counting, but a rough estimate I think I was under TDEE - in large part because I didn't feel like breakfast till late and then I really didn't need lunch. I've exercised and not eaten this morning yet. I think that I may try to adopt a brunch and dinner approach in general.

ErrolTheDragon Wed 15-Jan-14 10:48:32

Oh... we're on page 4, don't know how I missed seeing that!

vvviola Wed 15-Jan-14 10:51:27

Thanks for the congratulations everyone! It was the Masters that got me into the health situation I'm in, somehow I forgot that incessant snacking, late night and eating like a student works when you are a student the first time around, but not so much in your 30s after 2 kids hmmgrin

graceholl Wed 15-Jan-14 11:24:41

NFD and i've scoffed 600 cals - it's not even half 11!

Soup in the fridge which I will have for lunch...damage limitation I s'pose!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 15-Jan-14 11:54:34

Morning all!

Finally found you.

CinammonGirl - I am definitely going to make your stuffed peppers with cous cous and feta cheese.

I can report, stable weight, Wii exercises done, bathroom cleaned, washer on maintenance wash, bedroom tided and just completed a 16 hour fast after FD on Monday and eating with TDEE yesterday.

Tinned soup and home made bread toasted for lunch soon.

I randomly bought ricotta cheese the other day but no idea what to do with it. Ideas would be great!

graceholl Wed 15-Jan-14 12:05:19

Spinach is lovely with ricotta!

RavenousRunner Wed 15-Jan-14 12:08:55

Toffee Dollop of ricotta with strawberries/raspberries and a few squares of dark chocolate makes a brilliant dessert.

ImABadGirl Wed 15-Jan-14 12:10:11

Hello everyone, FD for me today, trying to fast until later on, I'm DRINKING LOTS OF WATER and CLENCH it's filling me up lovely smile

Well done, Vviola on your Masters. flowers I'm sure it must be harder for mature students

Hopeful, Zed Great attitude. I see permanently healthy habits coming your way.

Daily weighers If you regard the number as just an item of data, fine. However, if the wrong number can ruin your mood then stop weighing.
Just check every week how you fit your tightest jeans.
2 lb can be just totm, water, undigested food ....

RavenousRunner Wed 15-Jan-14 12:12:32

I've agreed to take DS1 and his mate to the Science Museum on Saturday - we'll be there at lunch time but I want to avoid the cafes as they're always packed (and soooo expensive). Any picnic lunch ideas that most 11 year olds will like? I know he doesn't eat ham or tomatoes - mine nearly always go for either ham or cheese and tomato sandwiches, so I'm a little lost. DS1 is not a hummus fan, sadly.

RavenousRunner Wed 15-Jan-14 12:13:01

And I'm going to try for 16:8 on Saturday so I want something good for myself too!

Massive congrats to viola

Well done on your run ravenous - gym running only for me at this time of year! The pavements near me are thick with mud at the minute since the council dug them up to replace the streetlights hmm

At break time this morning there were After Eights, Dairy Box AND gingerbread choc hearts as well as the usual biscuit tin. I am pleased to report that I resisted them all (and it wasn't easy!) Think today will be a mini-fast just to counteract some of yesterday's excess.

toffee ricotta and spinach cannelloni are yummy - feel free to invite me a vegetarian round for dinner!

ravenous I often do buttered currant buns or filled wraps for packed lunches as a change from sandwiches. How about egg mayo? Chicken?

zedzedzed Wed 15-Jan-14 12:18:46

jobyloo I'm not weighing till Feb because I used to get all obsessed and depressed with weight fluctuations, and because I'm planning on doing this for life I'm just marking my progress by how I feel, by my 4 pairs of descending jeans and an occasional 4-6wk weigh-in (to check I've not miscalculated/over indulged and to re-calculate my TDEE when/if I lose).

I've over 100lbs of baby weight to lose, so I'll be here a while and frankly ANY loss while eating this fabulous way is a victory as low fat/low carb/ SlimShite and Crapkins have messed with my poor body for 30-odd years.

Good luck!

NFD here...literally having my cake and eating it!

ErrolTheDragon Wed 15-Jan-14 12:24:08

RR, my dd was quite faddy - how about you take something like pittas or rolls, with separate cheese (baby bel, cheese strings or those little individual portions) and maybe something like small sausages or 'fridge raiders'. Then there should be something he'll eat rather than disliking a sandwich and not eating any of it. Bag of carrot and cucumber sticks, fruit and then whatever you think apt by way of crisps/biscuits/chocolate.

TimeToPassGo Wed 15-Jan-14 12:29:21

My first official weigh in on the hybrid weight watchers 5:2 programme - and it's 7lbs down! That was over 9 days and my start weight was at the heavy time of the month. A SV for me smile

I know a lot of you use calories instead of points but I am just more familiar with points hence the WW approach smile Couldn't get my head round calories in the same way.

RavenousRunner Wed 15-Jan-14 12:34:12

Errol good call on the little sausages! If I take some of those and some mini-falafels, bread of some sort, cheese, fruit etc they'll have to find something they like. And I will be very happy indeed, and then able to resist the milkshake stand afterwards.

Darnley Wed 15-Jan-14 12:37:07

Many thanks or the replies.
I will give the scales a miss until next week.

Cuckoo, I am drinking loads of water and not too much coffee, very little in terms of exercise and no periods for years.

Will carry on and see what happens.

Homemade celery soup for lunch today. Was fab...

EsmereldaPB Wed 15-Jan-14 12:38:36

Hi, I did my first FD yesterday, I'd planned to do it today but didn't have time for breakfast and then was out until lunchtime and figured as I'd already done the morning I would just carry on. I was absolutely amazed as I just didn't feel hungry all day (I'm sure FDs won't all be that easy).

I have 4dcs and am currently breastfeeding the youngest who is 7m so am allowing myself 750 cal for FD as she's eating solids as well now, although yesterday came in at just under 600. The baby did wake twice last night though (usually she wakes once, but twice is not unheard of), so I think that I will keep an eye on that and if it becomes a pattern then I will up the FD cals a bit.

I also have a lot of weight to lose around 5.5 to 6 stone, I've lost about 3stone since my heaviest weight with slimming world but I've found that the weight has gotten harder to shift with each child and I've been struggling with it a bit recently. My main problem now is I'm not sure if I knows to eat 'normally' as I am so use to following the plan, but I think that despite the success I've had with it my portion sizes have slowly crept up so I am hopeful that following this woe will help me reduce my portion sizes.

persimmon Wed 15-Jan-14 12:39:41

First day today and felt very sick at about 11, in fact retched a bit. Is this normal?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 15-Jan-14 12:43:27

Thanks for the ideas graceholl and RavenousRunner. I was thinking savoury as never even thought about a dessert.

Ravenousrunner - what about a wrap or a sandwich square? Still enough like a sandwich but just a bit different. My 8 year old like a wraps filled with chicken, sour cream and grated carrot.

postmanpatscat grin.

Persimmon No, you shouldn't retch. What did you eat and when ? Sorry if I missed it (on this already long thread !)
Fruit, for example, can upset some empty tums on an FD.

Or you may just have one of the lurgies doing the rounds.

Persimmon Just read "sick at 11". Do you mean 11 am ? That's very early to have FD problems - but when did you last eat yesterday ?

HandMini Wed 15-Jan-14 12:50:50

Gosh, I so agree with Hopeful.

I am only two weeks in, and just did my 4th FD yesterday.

I wasn't hungry AT ALL this morning, so just had a large coffee for breakfast, then at lunch time went to the cafe next to work and ordered my usual (ham, cheese, pickle baguette and a Coke zero) without thinking, and then realised, I really didn't want to to eat something carby. I had ordered it out of habit, but really thinking about what my body needed and I wanted, I think I should have got soup, something light and flavoursome.

I know, sounds totally bizarre, but absolutely true, and I speak as someone addicted to bread! I am finding the 5:2 really breaks down those kind of comfort eating habits. Am going to try very hard to think about hunger / what I should eat after my next FD.

Lilliput Wed 15-Jan-14 12:58:06

FD today. I forget to take my water out on visits with me this morning so not able to stave off hunger. Got back to the office and had my homemade lunch and blueberries coming in at 139 calories grin. Mushroom and spinach omelet planned for dinner approx 250 calories. Happy days.

HandMini Wed 15-Jan-14 13:00:45

Mmm, lilli, what was your lunch?

Dotty342kids Wed 15-Jan-14 13:26:42

handmini I completely agree with you, it's so easy to just mindlessly eat carbs out of habit. I find FD's reset my approach to carbs and since returning to fasting after the chaos of the Christmas hols I've really noticed that my tummy is much less "solid". There's still lots of soft wobbliness but it hasn't got the solid bloat that comes with endless eating and carbs.
I often have something like scrambled eggs, baked beans and cherry toms, without the toast, for a NFD lunch, as it is really filling but without the "stuffed" feeling that comes with the bread bit of it.
Don't get me wrong, I still love my nice breads and just had egg mayo on a seeded bagel which was delicious, but I only eat them when I really want to now!

persimmon Wed 15-Jan-14 13:27:22

I ate about 5ish last night so by 11 today hadn't eaten for 18 hours. Had to have a fig roll which eased the sick feeling. When is it best to have your final (non fasting day) meal - late evening?

ErrolTheDragon Wed 15-Jan-14 13:31:19

Persimmon, had you eaten or drunk anything at all? One possibility could actually be overdoing the water - once when I was little (a long time ago!) iced water was a novelty and I drank so much it made me sick.

ErrolTheDragon Wed 15-Jan-14 13:36:37

Anyway ... what with one thing and the other I didn't get round to breakfast. Just lunched on some salad and a cheese and pickle toastie with real butter, and a Satsuma. Oh, and a bit of chilli and lime chicken because I thought I could do with a bit more protein and its use by is tomorrow but didn't want a lot... think the dog will get some of it. A dog is a very useful piece of equipment for avoiding that 'mustn't waste it, so eat it' syndrome. grin

Persimmon Meal timing is entirely personal pref. Many people finish the FD at 5pm, like you; others have a normal evening meal, so finish about 8-9 pm. Some, like me, stop after a late lunch.

I can only recommend you have lots of protein and veg in your supper.

Note: some folk have found espresso or tea, especially green tea can upset an empty tum during an FD. Also fruit juice or fruit. See what works for you.

Maybe ease your way in with 800 cal FDs, like I did the first several weeks, in fact. It allows 3 small meals, but still gives a decent weekly deficit.

Oops typo: should read "Many people finish the previous NFD"

Jobyloo Wed 15-Jan-14 13:52:01

zzz like your style re. the scales! Have decided am going to keep an eye on numbers after each FD until end of Jan...mainly because I can't believe how a) the numbers are going down, so convincing myself this is not a fluke b) how good I feel on this WOE. Then come Feb will weigh once a week and after that am going to give the scales up for Lent and WI on the 25th April. By then it will be a good 4 months in and I'll have got in to my own pattern and hopefully won't be sooooo number focused.

Right off for a walk to move my lardy arse and don't want to be tempted by the kitchen smile

And clench

....water

... meds (sorry can't remember who asked to be reminded)

graceholl Wed 15-Jan-14 14:29:24

My mum weighs herself every day and logs in to MFP even if there is a gain. It's a compromise I guess - if you feel the need to weigh every day, you can log, but you'll notice that often there are anomalies and there is a general downwards trend. I just log when I lose ;) (but weigh more often than I should which can be soooo disheartening)

MorrisZapp Wed 15-Jan-14 14:30:42

I'm new to this diet (I call it a diet smile ) and I can't achieve 500 cals yet. Three FDs in, I think I've managed 700/ 800 cals.

I'm going to keep trying, but even if I can't ever manage it it's still a fairly big calorie cut, and I'm eating better on NFds too so who knows, the benefits may present themselves.

graceholl Wed 15-Jan-14 14:32:23

HandMini we are on the exact same day! 4th FD was yesterday. Are you 4:3ing too?

graceholl Wed 15-Jan-14 14:43:10

Morris as Choc said upthread 800 cals still creates a substantial weekly deficit, so ease yourself in however you want to!

My personal way of sticking to 500 cal is to have it in one go - at dinner time. For me the earlier I eat in the day the more hungry I feel throughout the day, so I generally won't feel ravenous until about 5pm on FDs as all I've had throughout the day is liquid.

TimeToPassGo Wed 15-Jan-14 14:58:15

Morris wouldn't worry too much. My 'FDs' at the minute are around 14 old WW points, which is probably evening out at around 7-800 cals. I'm losing weight rapidly on that plus not getting the unpleasant side effects I was getting on hardcore FDs. Over time I will try to go a bit lower.

I may not be getting the full fasting health benefits BUT my single biggest health risk factor at present is my weight (and my diet). Losing weight and being more food conscious is helping my health regardless. Lots of longterm 5:2 ers are maintaining now so they are really concentrating on the health benefits because their weight is fine IYSWIM. If you are overweight / obese any sustainable method of weight loss is good for your health!

zedzedzed Wed 15-Jan-14 15:47:58

Timeto what a good point to make, thanks. thanks

morris 7/800 is great! (I think the only reason I'm managing under 500 is because I'm used to starving myself...the bad way and always eventually followed by binges).
It's harder on stuck-at-home days when the kids' lunch smiles up at me and the toaster starts whispering carby come-ons in my fat ear.

But yes, I'm noticing the NFD cutbacks too, no binges at all as I'm not deprived (still depraved but that's another story) and am not hungry on NFDs even though I'm well under my TDEE.

Dinner tonight: 200g roast chicken WITH SKIN!!! And sprouts and a sweet potato.

FD tomorrow with DH joining in! Yay!

MazzleDazzle Wed 15-Jan-14 15:49:39

Goodness me, haven't been on here in a couple of days and things have moved so fast!

Haven't read any of the thread yet, but I will do.

FD here for me today and so far zero cals. Day 4 of avoiding the scales! I can tell by looking in the mirror that I'm getting slimmer and I'm beginning to get compliments now. Usually this is when I begin to slack and take for granted all the hard work I've put in. For a little while, I can eat what I like and still fit into my 'thin' clothes. But then it all starts to catch up with me and the weight piles on! I really need to stick with this and keep going.

I'm managing the FDs no bother, but I ate too much on my last two NFD. I need to reel things back in and get back into good eating habits. It's my totm just now and I have a family funeral this week, which is probably influencing my eating. Right now I'm 4:3 to compensate for over-eating on my NFDs. In fairness though, I'm still eating way less than I used to on any given day.

zedzedzed Wed 15-Jan-14 15:52:16

Well done for scale dodging mazzle sounds like you're doing brilliantly.

mscnile Wed 15-Jan-14 16:32:04

Mazzledazzle I'm similar in that I can cope fine with the FDs and with weekday NFDs but weekends (includes Fridays!) are another matter. I might consider 4:3 next week, or see if doing 16:8 on all NFDs helps. Not this weekend though, dh's birthday! I'm definitely feeling slimmer, hoping for a SV tomorrow morning!

ErrolTheDragon Wed 15-Jan-14 16:35:04

I reckon once you're at a weight you're happy with, then checking it regularly (weekly or monthly) probably is a good idea so that you don't let things slide too far.

Many of us go say 10-20 % below TDEE on 3 NFDs, so we can have extra cals on the other 2 NFDs, which might be weekend, or social events.

e.g. for someone with 2000 TDEE taking the 10% margin:
2 x FD 500
3 x NFD 1800
2 x NFD 2300

I personally feel too full with 2 high cal NFDs together, so I choose say Wednesday and Saturday to dine out.

Breadandwine Wed 15-Jan-14 17:10:51

As a bloke I wear the same belt every day - so it's very easy to tell if I've put on weight. Which I do, regularly, every week after 6 NFDs on the trot!

But, after my next fast, things return to normal and any extra weight has disappeared. I haven't been on the scales for months.

I've got four new holes in my belt since I started IFing - and I don't intend to use any but the last one!

TiP suggests that women tie a silk ribbon round their waists and leave it there. It'll quickly alert you to whether you're putting on the pounds! grin

B&W The same belt every day . Yes, no need then to mention you are a bloke.
smile
Btw: Almost all of the older hands skip breakfast, so have just espresso / tea / veg Juice. "breakfast makes you hungry" GeekStuff

Many have a veg soup or stew for lunch, to save most cals for a decent supper.

That's just FDs. On NFD's, I like 3 meals, at least 1 big 'un.

LilyJoAndMe Wed 15-Jan-14 17:55:12

Hello there,
Back to work after being ill at the start of the week. Have had a late lunch and ate all the things I've really been looking forward to for a while now.
Toasted sandwich,
2 lattes
Scone, clotted cream and jam.
I don't know why, but I find it really funny - it was almost essential that I could allow myself to eat this. They are some of my really favourite foods.
But now I'm so full!
Light meal tonight and then FD tomorrow. It'll be hard tomorrow - working from 8.30am to 10.00pm.hmm
That plus a FD- a bit scarey for me confused

bumbumsmummy Wed 15-Jan-14 18:12:07

http://www.kabutonoodles.com/ curveball they are just posh pot noddles they taste quite nice and come in at 300 kcals

LilyJoAndMe Wed 15-Jan-14 18:17:02

Oh yes - NSV- I am really happy to be able to pull my skirt up over my hips instead of down over my head ! Hurrrah !!

fuckwittery Wed 15-Jan-14 18:19:23

Wow these threads move fast. I'm coming to the end of my first week on 5:2 and I am loving it! Today is a half fast day, 750 cal to get my overall weekly average where I want it and its been easy, I've still not had my evening soup for dinner and not feeling hungry yet. I've lost 2.5 lbs this week, I'm sure that weight loss won't be sustainable but its a great motivation to keep going.

MrsFlorrick Wed 15-Jan-14 18:22:20

Time, Grace and Morris.

There is plenty of debate on tinternet about the amount of fasting calories which provide the optimum health benefits.

Lots of the body building sites seem to go for more like 700/800.

The one thing most of them can agree on is that if your body fat low (Lower than 16% for women and 12% for men), then you shouldn't eat LESS than 500 or 600 cals as you lose muscle not fat.

Exactly as Bigchoc says, you're still creating a significant deficit.

I still think you'll experience good health benefits at that sort of level.

It's far better to come in on 700 or 800 cal regularly then feel you've failed and stuff yourself with biscuits (classic "diet" cycle).

Personally doing 5:2 since August 2013. My blood pressure was sky high. It's now completely normal and actually very good for my age (40). My resting heart rate was about 80, its now 59. grin

I have and do plenty of "FD" which are like mini fasts. Ie 700/800 cals.

I have 2 small DC, a DH who is never home. So with everything that goes on, it's often hard to eat well. Tiredness stress, endless child illnesses, up all night etc etc is usually or rather used to be a recipe for diving headlong into the biscuit tin.

It isn't any longer. And I eat far healthier. Simply because the healthy stuff ie lean protein and veg lets me have a maohssive portion on a FD.

You will still see good weightloss and results.

There are lots of very experienced fasters on this thread (Betsy, Bssh, Breadandwine, Bigchoc, Earslaps, Eatriskier grin). And they have worked towards liquid only fasts and fasts below 200 cals. I don't think they started this way.

I am a wimp so I did 16:8, then under 1000 cals and worked my way downwards. I've done a few LOFs but I've never ever been under 400 cals on a FD yet. Perhaps later when I'm more used to this woe/wol.

grin
I have a cold just to add to my misery of sick DC. Feel dreadful. Still doing my FD but will be a mini fast of 800 cals.

ErrolTheDragon Wed 15-Jan-14 18:25:36

It may be in a link somewhere else, but what does 'Liquid Only Fast' actually mean please? Presumably not alternate hot chocolate and gin...grin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 15-Jan-14 18:28:40

apologies for not reading all the thread. I have had wine. First since one before Christmas.

difficult day children and school wise sad. did wrong. fed up. Wish I had a mum to help me.

RavenousRunner Wed 15-Jan-14 18:45:21

Lovely lunch of grilled turkey escalope with watercress sauce and ratatouille is looong gone, and work shows no sign of stopping. Miso soup is helping but I need my dinner! Booo hoo.

Or Errol's LOF diet would do nicely too.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 15-Jan-14 18:55:00

how can I have had lunch and dinner plus some wine and still have 596 calories to eat

ErrolTheDragon Wed 15-Jan-14 18:59:45

No breakfast or snacks would do it. smile

DontBeBlueBeARainbow Wed 15-Jan-14 19:15:26

Great to read positive LSVs.

I'm on FD5 and was sooo close to giving up. Around 14:00 when I'd had my salad and jelly pot, I felt hungry and was convinced I would not make it today, I really wanted to run to the shop and get ANYTHING to eat. But work meant I couldn't leave my desk until 15:00, by which time the shop is closed. So I had a packet of porridge (105 cals) bought for fast day emergencies, and that pulled me through.

Just had my soup and orange, and now I know I'll make it.

To be honest though, all these comments like at the beginning you can just do 800cal fasts tempts me, I start to tell myself I could just have an extra snack and it'd still be a fast..... confused

Looking forward to tomorrow breakfast as ever. Well done successes today xx

Errol An LOF (Liquid Only Fast) is just what is says on the tin:
Fast on liquids only, staying within your planned calories limit, whether that be 0 or 500 cals.

Mark Mattson or someone did a study where participants drank 4 Atkins protein shakes on FDs, so they came in at about 600'cals total.
I usually do shake FDs, because it is very low carb and saves time preparing food and counting cals.
smile [lazy face]
Liquids means : thin liquids, so not soups, but does include bouillon, protein shakes, milk, tea, coffee, fizzy drinks etc as well as water, obviously.
Some count soups as LOF, but I am a purist here
smile
You could do a 500-cal gin fast, but not recommended.
grin

LilyJoAndMe Wed 15-Jan-14 19:23:34

Well done Don't be Blue.
Hugs to Toffee

graceholl Wed 15-Jan-14 19:25:40

Sorry to hear you are feeling crappy Toffee. I'm struggling to feel guilt free on 5:2 even on my NFDs (sinking a glass of wine and feeling SO guilty even though I'm still only up to about 1500 cals). Think we need to not allow the guilt to creep in.

Hope tomorrow is a brighter day for you!

Varady's studies showed 25% TDEE on FDs was the optimum combination for fat loss and retention of muscle on ADF, better than 0% or 50% etc.

Noone has studied this for 5:2, but ever since I read her book, I aim for 500 cal FDs and I no longer do very low-cal FDs. It's just as a gym bunny, I want to retain all my muscle, so I play safe.

graceholl Wed 15-Jan-14 19:28:34

rainbow totally feel your pain: what I always tell myself is ill never regret sticking to my FD; I will regret not sticking to it. Same applies to gyming. And it really does help (and I'm the most unmotivated sod ever so if I can harness my psychological strength, seriously, anyone can!)

(({ HUGs })) to Toffee. Don't let things get you down. We're here for you.
smile flowers

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 15-Jan-14 19:39:40

Thanks everyone

Just feel like parenthood is so hard and I get 99% of it wrong.

Don'tBeBlue It's good to have a healthy emergency snack mini-meal for FD emergencies. It is far better to feel good with a healthy 600-800 cal FD than to grab a 500-cal choc muffin or cheesecake and end junked up.

CinammonGirl Wed 15-Jan-14 19:49:36

Aw toffee hope you are ok thanks

ErrolTheDragon Wed 15-Jan-14 19:50:15

Bigchoc - thanks ... so if it can be the same calories, what is the benefit of LOF versus a 'normal' FD please?

Bumblebeejumble Wed 15-Jan-14 19:51:08

Bit of a disaster today blush. Almost nothing but carbs all day. Hot cross buns and toast. Didn't go over cal limit, but only had 2 clementines and an apple, no protein at all. Possibly have been doing too many fast days, so once I started with the toast it was a bit too satisfying. Will try a normal, 2000-cal day tomorrow, but maybe with some actual nutrients...

farrowandballs Wed 15-Jan-14 19:53:45

Sending hugs toffee Its bloody hard sometimes x
On my 4th FD. Did 7pm last night til 7pm tonight. Had sour chickpeas to break fast - about 400cals. Been at work all day so think IM gonna flop in front of the fire, do a bit of yoga and call it a night.

curveballs Wed 15-Jan-14 20:04:20

Thanks bumbums, will keep a look at for the noodles.

I agree graceholl about the guilt on NFDs. I had one can of lager tonight with my dinner and I'm well within TDEE, but did feel a bit regretful. It's silly really because the reason why this woe appealed so much to me is that I could enjoy the things I didn't want to give up. I suppose its just about your head around it. (Still, didn't feel any guilt about the cheese in my omelette though ha ha)

Hope you are ok toffee x

MrsFlorrick Wed 15-Jan-14 20:05:33

(((((Toffee))))). You poor sausage.

Bigchoc. Once I've kicked this current cold away, ill be back over on your exercise thread.

I am going to go for it in a massive way! I have an incentive. We've booked our holiday and unlike last year where I was constantly asked when I was due or mistaken for a whale shark by other snorkellers, I want to look smoking hot and fit. And not a wobble fat 40ish lady.

So yeah Bigchoc I seriously need you to help me. It's mostly my stomach. Legs are good and not wobbly arms are excellent and quite toned. Backside needs work but my stomach is a fecking disaster!shock

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Wed 15-Jan-14 20:05:54

Hugs for toffee I know how you feel, I spend half my life wondering if I've done the right thing parenting wise. The other half is spent realising I fucked it up.

this too will pass has to be one of my favourite mantras to get me through tricky times.

It's quite a good day for me, the scales say 11 stone 6 which is still far too big but it is a loss and means I am officially no longer overweight

My BMI is now 25, aim is to lose another stone and get it to 23.

HI everyone

Sorry I've not been around for ages, I'm a rubbish 5:2 friend!

I'm on my 4th FD tomorrow and need to ask a weigh day question please.

I started this WOE on a Thursday with a FD, so do I do my weighing in on a Thursday before FD or Friday morning a after FD?

Well done to all my fellow 5:2ers,your all doing great xx

graceholl Wed 15-Jan-14 20:16:47

Fab whenshewasbad, well done you! very envious of your BMI.

curveballs exactly! I think it's hard to break out of the FD mindset (obviously not hard enough for wine and bread...how holy of me!)

CinammonGirl Wed 15-Jan-14 20:17:40

Slightly random question but am going shopping tomorrow to stock up on FD essentials - could anyone tell me what miso soup tastes of? Have never had it before!

graceholl Wed 15-Jan-14 20:41:41

Ooh cinnamon I LOVE miso, it's hard to describe the taste, I know that's unhelpful - I don't think I know anyone that dislikes it. Particularly recommend the Clearspring sachets, 30 cals a pop so great for a FD. Comes with chunks of tofu and spring onions in and oh god it's good!! I just make it like I would a tea but you could dilute it in a soup sized serving.

TalkinPeace Wed 15-Jan-14 20:54:19

cinnamongirl
do not buy miso soup
buy a pot of miso paste
a packet of knorr vegetable stock post
and a plant of fresh chives

then make your own WONDERFUL miso soup for a fraction of the price and a multiple of the flavour

CinammonGirl Wed 15-Jan-14 21:19:45

Ooooh ok thanks guys I will try and find miso paste tomorrow!

mscnile Wed 15-Jan-14 21:56:23

Busy afternoon/evening so haven't read thread yet
End of FD check in at 450 cals, bit of a headache so off to drink water and sleep, then weigh first thing
Out for NFD dinner tomorrow with some lovely friends smile

Will try to catch up with thread in bed!

Chocupid Wed 15-Jan-14 21:57:43

Hmmm, Miso paste... Will also have to try.

I finally had a successful fast day... First for ages... Yippee!

Well done to all who got there today!
Mine only happened as yesterday was another fail.

Hugs toffee chin up.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Wed 15-Jan-14 22:10:04

Thanks grace BMI still needs work but I plan to get there.

I once tried miso soup at a Japanese restaurant, I was on a table with 12 people, every single one of us declared it to be so vile it was undrinkable. Any chance the chef had an odd recipe? I've never tried the stuff again since that night.

Southeastdweller Wed 15-Jan-14 22:15:49

Miso soup is a divisive thing and I agree with tip that it's better to make your own but if you like them and you're out and about in London or Oxford on a FD then Itsu sells the best ones though they're a bit salty.

www.itsu.com

lubeybooby Wed 15-Jan-14 22:41:17

really enjoyed my NFD today, took it right up to TDEE thanks to celebrating with a friend & alcohol involved. Definitely ready to tackle my second FD tomorrow. Feeling positive. Lots of fruit/herb tea in, water, miso soup, it it will be tuna with loads of salad for dinner.

Jimjamatron Wed 15-Jan-14 23:11:15

Hi everybody. Just checking is as I didn't post on my fast day. I didn't find my first FD back as bad as I was expecting. Think I had about 550 cals in all. I enjoyed the non bloaty and empty feeling this morning- not felt like that since well before Xmas!!

It was a NFD today and though I feel full have only had 1400 cals. Probably just as well as on Friday I am having a takeaway at a friends house And may go over tdee (1777) a little.

Good luck anyone fasting tomorrow- I am going to do a 1000 cal mini fast as my next available day to fast is Monday.

Food hates:
- Miso soup, tastes like fish vomit
- Those godawful zero cal noodles, taste like geriatric fish droppings

Errol Obviously a zero-cal FD needs to be LOF, but a 500-cal LOF is just a personal preference, probably no advantage for 5:2.
For me at least, taking shake cartons plus a cup of veg juice:
- requires no preparation and can be consumed whenever I have time
- gives exact calorie count
- very low carb, so I have a day of low insulin levels
- unexciting, so no temptation to have extra
- rests my tum from solids
The Mattson study used the same shakes, probably for similar reasons.

hopefulgum Thu 16-Jan-14 00:00:43

Marking my place. It's a FD here for me. Feeling very tired after a very unsettled night. I slept in my DS's bed as I had a row with my arse of a "D"H.

Despite my tiredness I am planning to stick to the fast day,otherwise I probably won't get another chance until Monday,and I's really like to do two this week. I'll have a nap later, which I am sure will help.

Toffee, don't beat yourself up about parenting. It is just the hardest job going. From your posts you sound like a really great mum. I too have the mantra,"this too shall pass", but not so sure it will work today with DH. I am just so tired of his childish ways and lack of communication skills. Seriously, you'd think after 23 years of marriage he'd have learnt how to talk to me? I imagine he'd say the same about me! hmm It will blow over I suppose, but in the meantime I feel tired and cranky. Doesn't help that it is TOTM soon...

That's probably why I went over TDEE by about a hundred yesterday. I made a banana cake with cream cheese frosting. Who knew it would have SO many calories!!!shock T'was very yummy though and I am amazed at how full I felt after eating it. I guess if I hadn't also had a G&T at the end of the day I might have stayed closer to TDEE. But I am not going to obsess about it.

It's just a bit of a light bulb moment : cake really does have a shitload of calories, so all that cake over the years has probably helped me pile on the weight! Cake is now for special occasions, not every time I meet someone for a cuppa!

Happy FD for those fasting today. thanks

Sorry to hear about your DH in knobhead mode, hopeful.
At least with your DCs you can hope they'll grow out of it !

annielewis Thu 16-Jan-14 00:24:38

Marking place. Still here but unable to get online much at mo.

vvviola Thu 16-Jan-14 04:07:12

Already at my 500 today thanks to inhaling 3 slices of bread while I was making the DC their afternoon snack, before I realised what I was doing. hmm Lunchtime til 5 really is my danger time, I had managed til 2 before I had lunch (and getting my 16:8 as a result) but I really struggle in the afternoon.

I'm not able to skip dinner as otherwise I'm really cranky at bedtime for the kids but I'll try to keep the calorie count as low as I can by skipping the rice at dinner and loading my plate with veg instead.

Next FD not til Monday (when DD2 is at daycare for the morning)

Breadandwine Thu 16-Jan-14 05:50:19

Hi vvviola

Not a good idea to eat bread on a fast day, I'm afraid. It just kickstarts the appetite and uses up all your allowance.

If you must eat something, have some carrot sticks - or my favourite, a raw mushroom or two. Very few calories and very filling.

Then you can have all your calories in the evening. I used to have a small baked potato with a huge veg curry - and I was always stuffed!

LilyJoAndMe Thu 16-Jan-14 06:15:23

Morning all,
FD for me here. I'm nervous about it as it's going to be a really long day today. I'm finishing really late and will be very tired tonight .
I think my hardest times will be be late morning and early afternoon . Then I'm going to be at my quietest. But, I've got lots of work to do and I'll be on my own.I'll really need to concentrate but I'm scared I'll be tempted then.
Anyhow, good start to my day. Got up and did 20 minutes of exercise. Now sipping on tea and going to put some music on. smile
So, thinking about you all. Can I have some encouragement from any of you today please ?

Darnley Thu 16-Jan-14 06:26:12

NFD for me today. Got brought yesterday, although felt more hungry than the first two FDs.

Pizza tonight, so will only have soup for lunch. Will try and resist the temptation to weigh in, but it will be hard.

frenchfancy Thu 16-Jan-14 07:01:42

mummytowillow weigh yourself on Friday morning after a fast day. That way the figures are not skewed by your body processing food, and you are furthest away from any weekend bloating. (well that is what I do anyway)

vvviola Thu 16-Jan-14 07:08:33

Yep breadandwine I can see how it's a problem.

I think next FD I'll pre-prepare some veg for such moments

Jobyloo Thu 16-Jan-14 07:09:07

Morning everyone

Lilyjoandme sending you lots of positive vibes and PMA for today.

I think this parenting lark is so hard at times. As the children get older I don't think that worrying about them gets less but that you I worry about different things! Also it's amazing how 2 boys can come from the same gene pool have same guidance but be sooooo very different. My 11 yr old runs rings round the 17 yr ok. I also feel a lot of the time that I get it wrong so you're not on your own toffee

Well done Darnley on getting through yesterday. I had a FD yesterday and was really chuffed was at 20hrs before I knew it and then finished the day off with a fab spicy prawn stir fry and was under 500 cals. Had SV this morning down 2.25lbs taking it to 8lbs from NYD. Now just need to stay within TDEE and not go silly. Really like your idea Bssh of mixing up the TDEE over the week so you can have a no counting day on Saturday. Do you think that would be ok for a newbie to do?

Have fun today wether you're FD or not. hopeful hope "D"H sees the error of his ways.

Jobyloo Thu 16-Jan-14 07:10:59

Hmmm must check for typos before posting!

hopefulgum Thu 16-Jan-14 07:34:55

Happy to report that DH has seen sense and we are friends again. I know we still need to clear a few things up but not today.

I just had a sleep and feel much better though it has made me feel a bit hungry. So I am sipping a lovely vanilla tea.

I had some soup, a slice of toast and some cottage cheese for lunch. Very filling and satisfying. I don't know what we're having for dinner but I have about 300 cals left. It will have loads of vege . I might try a cauliflower pizza base with vegies and a bit of bocconcini . I have a recipe somewhere.

How's the fasting going Lilyjo ?Hang in there. You will be glad you did.

CinammonGirl Thu 16-Jan-14 07:48:02

Second FD here and not feeling hungry this morning! Going to try and make it til about 1:30pm then have some soup (I have to pop to the supermarket for a couple of things so don't want to be mega hungry - not a great idea to go today but its the only day I have the car!) Scrambled eggs for tea with a little grated cheese if I have enough cals. Positive vibes and good luck to all of today's fasters! thanks

AmeliaToppingLovesShopping Thu 16-Jan-14 07:55:09

Hi I did my first FD yesterday but by the time I got home from college I had a stonking headache and was in bed by 9.30! I ended up having less than 500 calories (not worked it out yet)

I am NFD today but only have £10 until Wednesday and the food I already have in (which isn't very much)!

Will drink plenty of water and hope for the best!

curveballs Thu 16-Jan-14 08:09:11

Morning. FD for me today, and already in a grumpy mood - why is getting everyone ready in the morning such a chore? I will not let this deter me.

Bought some miso soup for my lunch, but now scared it will rank after some of the posts I have read. So glad I read them now and have a spare leek cuppa soup in case I hate it!

Hope you all have a good day!

curveballs Thu 16-Jan-14 08:09:16

Morning. FD for me today, and already in a grumpy mood - why is getting everyone ready in the morning such a chore? I will not let this deter me.

Bought some miso soup for my lunch, but now scared it will rank after some of the posts I have read. So glad I read them now and have a spare leek cuppa soup in case I hate it!

Hope you all have a good day!

Southeastdweller Thu 16-Jan-14 08:13:10

Lily Long days at work whilst fasting require plenty of water and low cal hot drinks that last ages. My own favourite is hot water with lemon. You can do it and remember, it's nearly the weekend.

Good luck to everyone else today too smile

Southeastdweller Thu 16-Jan-14 08:16:45

Postman Sorry for not replying earlier but yes I'm much happier in my new place and pretty much settled in. It's more expensive than where I lived before but worth it.

Have things at home calmed down now with your eldest DC?

MorrisZapp Thu 16-Jan-14 08:18:45

Miso soup, no thanks. I'm all about a big mug of beefy Bovril for ten calories smile

Jobyloo Thu 16-Jan-14 08:18:50

Have only just worked out that I can set my daily net calories to what I want on MFP! So set it today for 10% less of TDEE. I can eat with confidence and not worry about having to do mental maths... it's the small things like this that makes it that bit easier for me to stay in control grin

mscnile Thu 16-Jan-14 08:24:49

Hopeful glad you and dh are friends again!

Down to 10st 10 today, lowest since being a teenager I think grin looking forward to my meal out later.

Good luck to fasters today, remember, you can have it tomorrow!

curveballs Thu 16-Jan-14 08:30:09

Morris I tried bovril on my FD last Thursday, I did not like :-(

Congrats on your new pad, SouthEast. Sounds like you should be very happy there.

farrowandballs Thu 16-Jan-14 09:05:27

Glad you and DH friends again hopeful NFD here and I've had a couple of boiled eggs with buttered soldiers. Feeling tired after yesterday but going to walk the 40 mins up hill to work to try and get myself moving. Got 2 nights out this weekend - both 40th birthdays! - so gonna try and keep calories low today so I can get good and drunk this weekend! Happy fasting or not fasting everyone!

somewherebecomingrain Thu 16-Jan-14 09:08:12

Hola! Marking place

RavenousRunner Thu 16-Jan-14 09:28:17

FD today and already an NSV - DS1 looked at his two slices of toast with peanut butter and honey and shouted 'SEEDED BREAD! DISGUSTING! I'M NOT EATING THIS!!!'. I didn't eat them. I gave them to his skinny-as-a-rail little brother, thus not having to make his usual second round (four slices of toast a morning and he's still hungry by 11, he got my sister's amazing metabolism). Made DS1 scrambled eggs instead and had some water. Yeehaw.

That said, now at work freezing cold with rumbling stomach. Come on coffee!

RavenousRunner Thu 16-Jan-14 09:30:44

MrsFlorrick maybe one for the exercise thread, but have you tried pilates mat work for your stomach? I did it for about a year a long time ago and it not only sorted out all the wobbliness, my muscles have never gone back to being slack even when I do no exercise. Maybe something about training yourself to keep them engaged most of the time? Anyway I highly recommend it and it works very quickly. I used a book and did it at home (pre-youtube days, frighteningly!) so no need for classes.

lubeybooby Thu 16-Jan-14 09:37:05

FD for me today <necks coffee>

RavenousRunner Thu 16-Jan-14 09:38:38

Anyone hear 'Thought for the Day' on Radio4 this morning? It was about IF/5:2 and made me laugh very hard. Apparently fasting is good for your soul because it reminds you you're not just flesh and blood (no, I am also a massive pit of hunger) and makes you more empathetic as you contemplate your fragility. Clearly this woman has never been near me at 5 o'clock on an FD, when I would mug an old lady for her last Werther's Original.

BsshBossh Thu 16-Jan-14 09:39:26

Jobyloo the mixing TDEE across the week is something TiP talks about alot but nonetheless I've been doing it for 2 years (even pre-5:2 when I was simply calorie counting). It makes for a flexible week and makes sense if you socialise more on certain days (for me that's the weekend). But BigChoc and others also mix up TDEEs. Certainly even newbies can do it (I did it right from the start of my weightloss journey in Feb 2012).

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 09:45:04

FD for me - one cup of tea and quite a bit of water, some of it hot so far.

graceholl Thu 16-Jan-14 09:48:55

hahaha Ravenous.

FD for me as well! 2nd of 3 for the week. I'm 5lbs down on week 2. Chuffed!

Lubey I will also be necking coffee...probably until about 7pm this evening at which point I intend to neck a carton of tesco veg soup (actually v delicious) and be done with it.

TBH as much as I moan, by this time yesterday I'd scoffed 2 choc bars and as much as I told myself 'eat what you WANT!' I still felt shit and then got a sugar low. Soooo I am trying to be positive about today! * polishes halo *

nouvellevag Thu 16-Jan-14 09:49:01

Morning all! Well done on that weigh in mscnile. smile Dreaming that one day that'll be me...

It's my second FD today and I'm definitely less hungry than I was this time on Tuesday. I realise it's only half nine and I have plenty of time to fade, but right now I'm feeling pretty positive. Looking forward to dinner - going to bake two flat mushrooms each for DH and me, measuring out some olive oil to brush on them so I can be accurate about the calories, and plonk them on top of a salad with all their mushroomy juices. Mm.

graceholl Thu 16-Jan-14 09:49:39

hmm ambiguous from me there, by I'm "5lbs down on week 2" I meant, it's week 2 and I'm 5lbs down not I've lost 5lbs this week. I bloody wish.

graceholl Thu 16-Jan-14 09:51:23

that sounds yum Nouvelle! I'm finding the FDs this week a lot easier than I did last week - the grumbly tummy and headaches haven't resurfaced. I even managed the gym on Tuesday's FD! shock

BsshBossh Thu 16-Jan-14 10:01:07

FD for me too but already finding it hard. I didn't eat much yesterday (NFD) which doesn't help but nonetheless it's not physical hunger/grumbly tummy I'm feeling but a mental desire for food, the tactile sensation of it in my mouth. I'm only 2 lbs away from my goal weight but I've already shifted into maintenance mode of thinking so that's probably not helping.

I need to plan a long walk today I think. Just need to check when it will start to rain today.

LilyJoAndMe Thu 16-Jan-14 10:12:07

Thanks for the helpful comments. Just hitting my hard patch- got to keep going for the next 3 hours then I'll be too busy to be able to do anything about food.
Lovely reading about 'Thought for the Day' . I laughed out loud at the thought of a 5:2er losing the plot at the end of a FD.
shockOMG (stops laughing ) This could be me tonight !

Gluezilla Thu 16-Jan-14 10:19:49

FD for me today .
Have a sore throat (thanks DH) and don't feel hungry so decided to go for it !
Mango and green tea for breakfast, need to get some soup?
? Miso for lunch as Im intrigued as to what it tastes like and then will have grilled sole and some veg tonight.
Bssh that's why I have some fruit - I enjoy the texture .

Dotty342kids Thu 16-Jan-14 10:26:08

c'mon Bssbossh you can do this (motivational voice!)

mscnile that is really good, well done!

Second FD of the week for me and have already prepared dinner grin. It's harissa coated chicken breasts with oven roasted squash and red onion. To have with a heap of salad too. Just got to get to 6.30pm to have achieved a nice 22hr fast!

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 10:37:32

>I'm feeling but a mental desire for food, the tactile sensation of it in my mouth

yes... my mouth is a bit bored. Think I'm going to have a vigorous tooth-clean to distract it.

Gluezilla Thu 16-Jan-14 10:55:13

Do most 5:2 ers fast completely during the day then? (gulp) don't think I can cope with that sad

Am aiming for 100 cals breakfast 100 cals lunch and 300 dinner.
Green tea to drink .

Phew, catching up with you lot is hard work!

I dont think I could completely fast, but I like to have little drinks to break up the day - a variety of herbal teas, flavoured black coffee (currently on a roast hazelnut one which smells gorgeous), and I ring the changes between Bovril, Marigold bouillon, oxo and marmite as a drink.

I use the Wakame miso soup sachets for lunch as that's handiest in the office.

Tonight I will be going for the shaksouka that I didnt make on Monday - eggs poached in a spicy tomato and pepper sauce.

Pickled onions and gherkins are my nibbly snacky saviours on a FD.

nouvellevag Thu 16-Jan-14 11:08:35

I'm only a beginner, Gluezilla, but I'm shooting for 200 cals at lunch and 300 at dinner, with lots of water, black coffee and herbal tea through the day. And I can munch a celery stalk in an emergency, but then I love celery!

graceholl Thu 16-Jan-14 11:23:35

Glue I fast all day (food wise) and eat my cals in one go at dinnertime. That's just personal preference for me, as I know the earlier I eat, the hungrier I'll feel throughout the day. I can get away with having a miso soup at lunch time if I fancy it/have them in my desk drawer at work.

VodkaGirl77 Thu 16-Jan-14 11:30:40

Hello

Could I join you please? I started 5:2 on Monday and have completed two fast days, both just scraping in under 500 cals.

I've been reading the threads and picking up on all the tips, including making the chorizo and butternut squash stew at the top of the recipe thread on Monday. It was delicious and I've now got another three portions in the freezer ready for fast day tea when dh and the dcs are having something more calorific!

I have to say I'm loving this WOE and feeling full of energy today (NFD), so much so that I'm quite disappointed not to be fasting again til Monday! Am considering doing a 16:8 on Saturday as dh and I are going out to eat Saturday night.

Anyway hope to join in regularly on the thread smile

*Ravenous] lol you on FDs !
grin
Nouvelle That shall be you with an SV if you persevere a while.

Bssh Grit your teeth, that woman <loud Big choc motivational bellow>.
I'm glad of the FD today: Yesterday's boxing class was cancelled at the last moment after I had already allowed myself the extra 20% over TDEE; then we went for pizza & salad instead - I ended about 1500 over TDEE !
OK, mini-FD Saturday required as well.
<New rule: if any training is cancelled, go straight home and clean teeth to prevent further eating>

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 11:37:52

Gluezilla, you may need to ease your way into it to find what suits you, and to allow your body to adjust. Most of us seem to find that deferring eating till afternoon/evening and just drinking (plenty, including caffeinated drinks if you usually have them) during the day works for us. I'd suggest to start with you try holding off having breakfast for as long as you can - you may surprise yourself and find you get to lunchtime near as dammit before really feeling you need to eat. Don't worry if you really can't stick to the 500 for the first few FDs, don't feel like you've failed and then binge.

To encourage everyone to exercise, I posted my gym photos

Cuckoo, MrsF Why don't I see your gym photos <stern look>

Gluezilla Thu 16-Jan-14 11:45:46

I don't think I can go without breakfast - I feel sick if I don't have something and I have to take my medication in the morning with food.

I guess we are all different - the thought of not having anything during the day makes me feel miserable and that's not the point !
I will keep to 100 cal breakfast and lunch and 300 dinner for now and see how it goes.

Eatriskier Thu 16-Jan-14 11:45:50

glue when I first started coming on these threads I thought all these people who fasted and saved their calories until the end of the day were nuts. But then it made me brave enough to try to eliminate breakfast and only a few more fasts before I realised that for me it was easier to join these nutters and save my calories for an evening meal.

Eatriskier Thu 16-Jan-14 11:47:12

Cross posts - DH is more of a brekkie eater than dinner eater and started out using most of his calories in the morning, basically doing a reverse 24hr fast

lubeybooby Thu 16-Jan-14 11:54:17

Caved and having my FD lunch

tenderstem broccoli, asparagus and two carrots... all cooked and in a 'soup' made with bovril. Yum. 63 cals

Gluezilla Thu 16-Jan-14 11:58:51

Eat I am a real breakfast fan so I might do the reverse fast .
Thanks for your suggestionsmile.

I often have big breakfast, cooked lunch and soup/salad in the evening .

LilyJoAndMe Thu 16-Jan-14 12:04:35

1 more hour to go before my crisis time is over .

Not starving, but worrying about how I 'm going to feel later on. I hope I'll be able to concentrate properly on my work and that I won't get a headache . I won't be able to eat until about 11pm, but I sipping on hit drinks as suggested.
Good luck to all other fasters today.
smile

Dotty342kids Thu 16-Jan-14 12:39:39

Welcome vodkagirl, sounds like all going well so far. Nothing to stop you throwing another fast day into the mix if you want to you know smile, just as long as they're not consecutive fast days. I occasionally did a Saturday one and as awful as that sounds, weekend days are often busy so going through to teatime wasn't that hard, though I didn't necessarily restrict to 500 cals grin

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 12:47:32

Glue - if you've got to have meds in the morning with food then obviously you need to find a different approach - it's all about finding what works for you. smile

Gluezilla Thu 16-Jan-14 12:54:39

Yes Errol
Im reversing grin

nouvellevag Thu 16-Jan-14 12:55:43

I do think everyone's different. I actually feel bloody great today on no breakfast, but DH can't do that at all, so he's having eggs for breakfast on FDs, banana or something for lunch and then I'm doing us a ~300kcal supper.

AngieM2 Thu 16-Jan-14 13:01:35

I am NOT feeling the FD love today. Have been to the gym, just got home and have decorating to do so a very busy afternoon but I'm just not wanting to play! And no deferring as tomorrow I have a big girly day out with champagne brekkie and a show in the evening that involves a VERY slinky dress. God get me through the next 9 hours to bedtime.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 13:06:34

Think about tomorrow, Angie - not just eat but drink champagne!

NSV - Hello hipbones! Knew you were lurking in there somewhere. grin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 16-Jan-14 13:09:10

Hello everyone

My Wii tip yesterday was it is harder to lose weight from eating in the evening so best to have bigger meals morning and lunch. This goes against what I think would work for me but I might try it if I get stuck again.

FD today. Had just water. Went to do the food shop and DH wanted pizza so I treated myself to a butternut squash risotto that is 346 calories iirc. I knew pizza would seem like a nice meal but I would feel too full up after and would probably set off the munchies.

Feeling anxious about DS2 too but have spoken to MIL who has given me good tips to deal with him if anything bad happens again.

AngieM2 Thu 16-Jan-14 13:09:23

Thanks Errol, I find most of this WOE is in the head. I can have it tomorrow!

curveballs Thu 16-Jan-14 13:10:05

Before I make this miso soup, I work on an open plan office, with kitchen in it. Is it going to smell???

AngieM2 Thu 16-Jan-14 13:10:27

In fact I'm going to cheer myself up with some fizz.....sparkling water here I come.

CinammonGirl Thu 16-Jan-14 13:13:03

AngieM2 you can do it! FD for me here too. Just think about tomorrow, drink a big glass of water, stick on your favourite music and get stuck in with your decorating smile sending you positive vibes, you can make it!

MrsFlorrick Thu 16-Jan-14 13:18:57

Big choc. Gym photos? shock Wow. I'm so behind on my MNing!!

You'll have bear with me 24 hrs or so.

Toffee. I'm very interested to know more about the best time to eat big meal. Off to google.

Not2bObvious Thu 16-Jan-14 13:24:59

Checking in, same as everyone, can't keep up with pace if post but just popping in on fd2 for this week.
Going really good so far, did a JM workout(banish fat, boost metabolism - really good) on waking, and just finished a 30 min brisk walk. Time to break my fast! Hungry but not ravenous. All that water/clenching/no snacking must be working grin
Wi tomorrow morning after ignoring the scales all week. Here's hoping!

RavenousRunner Thu 16-Jan-14 13:39:01

Toffee and MrsF - isn't it the standard advice to eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a something, and dinner like a pauper? I always thought it was true, because you're active during the day so burn off what you eat, whereas a big meal before bed just sits there while you snooze. However it only works if you have the self-control not to eat a lot in the evenings, which I don't. If I save up calories during the day I'm bound to eat less overall. I tend to eat a fairly big breakfast (maybe two slices of buttered toast, two eggs plus a banana before my run), a very small lunch like soup, and a good-sized dinner. It seems to work for me.

RavenousRunner Thu 16-Jan-14 13:42:16

Only the banana before the run - if I ran after two eggs I would be very very sick. Ick.

NotAsTired Thu 16-Jan-14 13:59:11

Had to abandon FD2 today as I feel so poorly. But did manage 19 hours of fasting though.

Mumraathenoisylion Thu 16-Jan-14 14:00:04

on a fast day here too. I'm really happy with myself as I had a horrible experience earlier in a baby class with 7 others and one of them was my ex's wife (he was violent and abusive). I could quite easily have given up and gone straight to starbucks for a calorific hot chocolate but I didn't....

I came home for my two pieces of ryvita with cottage cheese and I'm looking forward to my weight watchers beef casserole later....even with both of these I'm still under 400 calories.

zedzedzed Thu 16-Jan-14 14:23:06

mumraa what a fecking nightmare, well done even more than usual!

FD number 2 here for the week here, good so far, just mint tea and black coffee and water, saving calories for salmon fillet with ginger/chilli/teriyake and thai flavour cous-cous, then a WW dessert yoghurt for pud and that should bring me in under 400 (saving the other 100 for later in case I get night ravenous like last FD and can't sleep).

DH is doing it again too! YAY!

The night is way too long once the kids are in bed for me to reverse fast and eat all my grub for brekkie...I like to sit down, relax, eat dinner with DH (even if it's measly). But it's great that this WOE is so flexible for people.

RavenousRunner Thu 16-Jan-14 14:25:34

Ended up with a salad with tuna for lunch, coming back from a meeting and supervisor said we should pick up something. Couldn't eat nothing without explaining why...now I'm really hungry. Ugh. I don't like having so little control!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 16-Jan-14 14:28:33

RavenousRunner - Breakfast like a King, Lunch like a Prince and Dinner like a pauper is the phrase I have heard.

NotAsTired- hope you feel better soon.

I feel fine atm with only having had one large beaker of water all day. I am cold though. Going to leave in half an hour for the kids then home to cook them pizza and veg. Not doing garlic bread - why torment myself?!

almostthereagain Thu 16-Jan-14 14:40:41

Hi can I join please? Have been successful on 5:2 before but relaxed quite a lot over Christmas & reining in a bit is not doing it (although dh almost back to pre Christmas weighthmm Think I need the discipline of logging on to kick start myself with fasts again. I hope to lose 7lbs & tone/fitten up too. Had lost 1 1/2 stone, but put some on over Christmas as well as little exercise since the end of summer. Well done to all, will read back through the posts later, got to go on school runsmile

NotAsTired Thu 16-Jan-14 14:44:18

toffee thanks.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 15:07:07

Toffee, if you're cold have a hot drink - even if its only hot water. Apart from ingesting it, you'll warm your hands.

I'm enjoying an illicit coke zero at the moment... doesn't half cause burps on an empty stomach! grin

BsshBossh Thu 16-Jan-14 15:12:04

Goodness, today's fast is hard. I'm not hungry or feeling faint, just feeling like greedy.

I can eat it tomorrow, I can eat it tomorrow, I can eat it tomorrow

How on earth can there be 70 calories in one digestive biscuit!!!!

(No, reader, I did not eat themit)

Dotty342kids Thu 16-Jan-14 15:28:56

Yup BsshBossh you can, and it'll taste great (tomorrow!) too grin

hasn't just eaten a small piece of fruit cake at all

graceholl Thu 16-Jan-14 15:29:39

Uggggggggggggggh. Found Tuesday's fast so easy. Didn't feel hungry. Today I am ravenous. I don't even want shit food, I just want SOME food. (I'm saving til dinner so I get a nice long fast period.) bleurgh.

RavenousRunner Thu 16-Jan-14 15:40:00

I'm finding it really hard today as well - speculating that I should stay at work late enough that I can grab a soup or something, as if I go home and have to watch DH eating a nice dinner with wine the odds of me only having a tiny portion with water are next to nil.

Miso soup soon I think - I love it and the saltiness is a huge help.

lubeybooby Thu 16-Jan-14 15:40:06

bovril is my savior today

and the 'I can have it tomorrow'

and knowing I have a guilt free weekend ahead - get in!

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 15:45:16

drat, I meant to get some Bovril in asda just now. Did get some more miso soup (the wakame sachets, that's all they had). Haven't felt like it yet though (full of coke... amazing tummy rumbles, good thing I work alone!)

BsshBossh Thu 16-Jan-14 15:54:56

Thanks Dotty. And I didn't see you snaffle fruit cake so you're off the hook

Dotty342kids Thu 16-Jan-14 16:00:42

grin

BetsyBell Thu 16-Jan-14 16:04:12

Ooh, I seem to be having one of those euphoric fasts today (hooray!) It didn't start out that way so I'm more than a bit pleased to feel so delightfully cheerful this afternoon.

I should get my year review on here as I'm such a good mood. Will sort out a post smile

TalkinPeace Thu 16-Jan-14 16:09:47

golly you lot are busy
and lovely to still have new people piling in ...

Thought for the Day on R4 - yes I listen to it every day while washing up - silly sanctimonious cow grin

I'm doing a "mini fast" today - because I REALLY wanted lunch - but will keep supper at around 500 so 800 for the day
which if I counted back my exercise calories would be zero
tries to justify self

BetsyBell Thu 16-Jan-14 16:26:04

Betsy's 1 year in review - started 15th January 2013:

I have spent most of the year doing 5:2 with 2 meals on fast days - a small lunch at 12.15 plus small dinner at 6pm. Sometimes just one meal in the evening. I usually have the 500 calories, occasionally more on my second fast of the week.

My BMI has reduced from 26.1 to 22.6. My stats are on the com/Talk/fasting_diet/1908144-The-Inspirational-5-2-Thread inspiration thread so I won't post all those details again but I did want to look at how my appetite and attitude has changed:

No fear of hunger
Smaller appetite and fill up very quickly
Eating is more mindful
More likely to make healthier choices and rarely buy or have junk in the house
Prefer healthier food
Can barely tolerate over-salted food
Far less enjoyment of highly sugary foods
Unlikely to eat lower quality chocolate if offered and never buy it
Less tolerant of alcohol
More moderate with alcohol
No longer dependant on hi-carb foods
Less enjoyment of most hi carb foods (except bread)
Still love bread but eat less of it less often and can usually eat it in moderation

I now acknowledge that my TDEE is quite low and I don't need an extra piece/slice of anything
Acknowledged to myself that actually my DH and DSs should eat more than me and follow their lead/let them eat the biscuits (should there be any)
Acknowledged that I am now a slim person (that took a surprisingly long time to do)

I am very happily maintaining around a weight that suits me. I will continue to 5:2 in the same way for life. If I stop I know my appetite (and therefore weight) will incrementally increase if there are no fast days to punctuate my eating and reset my appetite. Christmas and holidays when I pause the 5:2 have shown me this. I prefer how I feel when I fast twice a week.

2014 target: To take fitness more seriously.
Adhoc-ness worked really well when I had loads to lose but now I need to streamline and focus. I'm currently on track for this target (though it is only January). Doing 5:2 for a year has made me realise I can stick to a task and therefore I feel confident I can make a significant and permanent change to fitness regime too.

MC's review of the year:

I started out by eating 3 meals a day and snacks - tricky, but doable. I learned that salad and veg were good, so much can be had for very few calories.
Then I dropped the snacks.
Then I reduced the lunches to very light soup.
And then I dropped breakfast - I never thought I'd be able to do that!

I've got my bmi down to under 25 - just. I'd like it a little lower, but this isn't a quick mehtod, and I'm happy to continue for benefits other than just weight loss. I'm delighted that I persuaded my sister and husband to try it - they've both done brilliantly - and even my mother is having the odd fast day.

I recognise how different foods will make me feel, especially sugars and carbs.
I'm less tolerant of alcohol.
I can say no to temptation...well, most of the time.

lubeybooby Thu 16-Jan-14 16:44:43

that's brilliant Betsy, I really hope to have the same attitude changes. I'm already not afraid of hunger after the first FD, it was really manageable.

Now tackling my second FD I have promised myself I'm going to keep this going for at least a year. Intending on 6:1 for maintenance at some point

I've only been going three days with one FD, NFD then FD again today but I already think this is do-able long term for me. It's just a day and I can have it tomorrow...

TalkinPeace Thu 16-Jan-14 16:50:41

Betsey and Melanie
could you pop those posts over onto the inspirations thread because they are excellent ....

ELR Thu 16-Jan-14 17:08:05

Evening all, lovely 1 year story betsy.
bigchoc love your pics especially the chocolate bars blocking your face!
I had to eat early today at 11am as was going for some laser hair removal around lunch time and fast days make me need the loo so much if I havent eaten I was worried I'd need the loo half way through the treatment, anyway it wasn't too bad but was quite painful so kind of a no scale victory resisted a big slice of cake with my cuppa afterwards.
Got drenched picking the kids up from school and our boiler is broken so was freezing when we got in so my fast day went out the window had a banana a cuppa and a few chocolate hazelnuts from hotel chocolat, planning a stirfry for tea so will make it a 16:8 mini fast with 1000cals instead.

Eatriskier Thu 16-Jan-14 17:29:54

Love the sound of the vegetable/bovril soup.

betsy and melanie - like tip says, get those on the inspirations thread. Really nicely written posts that say so much more than just weight loss!

FD here today, am shattered. Did my 3 mile run and 4 mile cycle (on my cross trainer - I am not mad enough to leave me house!) before 7, hula hooping that I missed out on yesterday by 11 and have spent my first child free afternoon in ages doing a top up shop (walking there and back) and making my house less dirty spotless. I am calling it a day with dusted surfaces and clean floors all over, but just clean floors in the bathroom and kitchen - they can have their own deep clean on sunday. Our dyson isn't sucking up as well so we got the old one out, and the euphoria of the clean look you get with a working dyson made me go cleaning mad or its the FD madness.

Keep on in there all of today's fasters, we're all nearly there.

zedzedzed Thu 16-Jan-14 17:37:01

Do you get £200 when you pass Go/Toddler Teatime?! Wish it was 200cals!

Keep on trucking FD-ers!

We can eat it tomorrow.

And CLENCH

And DRINK WATER

Dotty342kids Thu 16-Jan-14 17:51:24

ELR I had boiler "issues" on Monday (FD) and it broke me! Tuesday ended up being a replacement FD after I took refuge in Dairy Milk on Monday afternoon smile

lubeybooby Thu 16-Jan-14 17:57:00

Eatriskier it totally hit the spot. I'll definitely do that again, maybe vary the veg a bit.

I am rocking this FD - just done my daughter's dinner, quite a lot of prep and grating cheese and was absolutely fine. She's 17 so usually sorts her own out so that was a big test!

Now sitting with a huge mug of cherry fruit tea and waiting as long as i can before my own dinner. I really can't sleep til late and also can't sleep hungry so want to leave it as late as poss

curveballs Thu 16-Jan-14 18:04:00

Help, my 2 year old is literally trying to shove chocolate past my lips. Gosh this is tough. Lol

AngieM2 Thu 16-Jan-14 18:14:14

Nearly time for food, and I've survived.....now I'm definitely feeling some love for this FD! Bring on that slinky dress and champagne for tomorrow's NFD....and not forgetting the weigh in tomorrow.

Coveredinweetabix Thu 16-Jan-14 18:18:27

TiP, Betsey, BigChoc, Bssh, MrsF and all of those who have been doing this for a while - sorry for the shout out but I didn't want my question to get overlooked in the traffic. Have any of you who have been doing this for a while got anaemic? For the last five or so days I have really struggled with massive waves of tiredness when I just have to sit down and would like to sleep but can't as I'm either at home with the toddler & pre-schooler or at work. The only time I have ever felt like this before, I was anaemic. I'm wondering if by having less of everything in general, I'm also having less iron. Although I'm not sure if that logic can actually work as I was calorie counting for the best part of a year so generally eating less and wasn't anaemic then. I'm feeling dreadful. I don't usually take any vitamins or supplements but perhaps I should introduce a general one as my nails have been dreadful this winter too.
Also, those of you who no longer crave sweet foods etc, how long did that take? I haven't managed one NFD below TDEE since Christmas. I think that's partly as we still have Xmas junk in the house so it's there and because I got the taste of it again over Xmas.
Sorry for this being so me, me, me but I've been quite concerned over the past few days.

Betsey - a brilliant summary of your year. Well done!

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 18:23:16

just had my dinner - I have a weekly phone meeting with my boss at 6:30 thurs and wouldn't want to subject her to tummy rumbles. asda Thai chicken noodles with extra spinach, and some extra cooked lime-and-something chicken. Got a Satsuma and some tea, and enough milk in my jug for the bedtime cup. smile

BetsyBell Thu 16-Jan-14 18:31:15

covered Do you eat at all in the day or do you save all your calories for the evening? I haven't encountered symptoms you've described but I do feel wonky if I fast longer than 20ish hours. I can get through if I have to but it is a slog. If it's happening every fast day then you do need to investigate. Definitely start with a good vitamin supplement to see if that helps. It could be a virally thing - plenty of weird, non-specific illnesses out there at the moment. Vitamins wouldn't do any harm in any case.

Hope you feel better soon x

lubeybooby Thu 16-Jan-14 18:32:09

I've scrapped my tuna salad idea and I'm having a venison burger (no bun) with onions and mushroom and loads of veg. Wanted something I could shove in the oven and have it take a while to cook to force me to wait longer... half an hour to go, come on 7pm... leaves me enough cals for half a pot of olives before bed too.

my last FD I got to 6.40pm so this will be a slight improvement grin

BetsyBell Thu 16-Jan-14 18:32:13

Thanks for the nice words about my summary - hope it's useful for anyone struggling.

Eatriskier Thu 16-Jan-14 18:33:27

covered From what I can tell my iron has been ok throughout doing 5:2 plus I've seen big improvements in my B12 anaemia. Sorry. Though I am trying very hard to make sure I take vitamin supplements especially on fast days. Having said that any iron anaemia I've suffered from has always (other than during pregnancy) been pretty random and never tied to changes in food habits.

BetsyBell Thu 16-Jan-14 18:36:39

Sounds lush lubeybooby smile

lubeybooby Thu 16-Jan-14 18:40:17

and now I can smell it cooking I'd happily fight a pack of wolves to get to it... come on 7pm!!

Gluezilla Thu 16-Jan-14 18:54:44

Had a second good FD

Mango and a couple of strawberries chopped plus green tea for breakfast.
Miso soup ( half a sachet of paste otherwise too strong and cheese and chive rice cake for lunch
Half a chicken breast plus green salad and a tsp of salad cream for dinner.
Tons of Pukka tea .
Came in at 508 smile

Really enjoyed the inspiring stories up thread .
I agree that this WOE is making me more mindful of what I am eating generally.
Have stocked up on fish and some lean pork for this weeks NFD.
Have yet to tell DH there will be no shepherds pie, bolognaise or fish and chips any time soon!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 16-Jan-14 18:59:17

Errol - zerocoke - is that zero calories but full of aspermante? (can't spell it, I mean the fake sugar stuff.)

CoveredinWeetabix- I have the odd day where I could cry I am so tired but it isn't every day and isn't necessarily a FD.

I have had my butternut squash risotto from Waitrose. It tasted amazing because it was lovely and amazing because no food all day other than 2 small cake things I was giving the kids and wanted to try - minimal calories. My dinner was 345 calories I think.

2 minutes lubeybooby!!

ladybranston Thu 16-Jan-14 19:03:53

Hello gang,

It's a FD for me...so far just two milky coffees and a cup of Marmite drink (i don't eat Bovril) plus usual gallons of water. Feeling ok - today was helped by getting to work really late around 1030, so avoiding usual breakfast cues of desk etc.

Last night I baked a chicken breast cut into thirds as American chickens are huge with onion, chickpeas, olives, lemons and parsley last night and will have the leftover third (sans yesterday's couscous) for my FD supper.

Will be quite late getting home though as have waxing appt at salon - FDs are easiest when I delay eating AND keep busy smile. I'll be too busy with the pain to worry about food!

I have not seen anything change on the scales since starting a week ago though...although I feel as though I'm slightly less podgy around the middle and it is my TOM starting tomorrow.

good luck to everyone else who is Fding today smile!

positively9something Thu 16-Jan-14 19:20:23

wow this thread is moving so fast, I honestly can't keep up.

So fd today, I have had soup about 4ish, lots of water all day, coke zero and a hot ribena.

I am going to have something else soon, I really fancy porridge so I think I will have that.

So i started this beginning of november, lost weight slowly, finally managed to hit 9 stone something just before christmas (9.13.8) then after christmas I had put on one pound which I was happy with. But after new year I was upto 10.3.8 shock

I only missed about 1-2 fast days during the festive period, I have continued to fast but i have been greedy on nfd so I'm not loosing any weight sad

help me to get back on track, I was doing really well before christmas.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Thu 16-Jan-14 19:30:59

curve smile at your toddler, mine is a feeder too but she would have eaten the chocolate herself. She loves feeding me grapes though.

She's truely trying my patience today. It's a battle for control in the when household and I'll be in serious shit in 10 years time if I let her break me now.

Fast day planned for tomorrow, dd is in nursery but ds is poorly sick with a hidiously snotty cold.

positively9something Thu 16-Jan-14 19:31:28

also Ive started to notice my eating patterns have changed, if I have porridge for breakfast, I can managed to work through the day without lunch, I work 9.15-3.15, and I'm not overly hungry but do fancy something to eat. Then when I get home I start eating junk and carry on eating it all night

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 19:35:25

Toffee - yes, coke zero has aspartame and another sweetener - hence me terming it 'illicit' grin.

PavlovsCats Thu 16-Jan-14 19:37:25

Hello
<shuffles in, looks nervously around>

I'd really like to start doing this, I set a date for my wedding today (Sep 2015) and I have a fair chunk of flab I need to shift before that, about 1lb a week between now and then

I'm going to start on 4:3, is that right? Would appreciate any help anyone can give?

graceholl Thu 16-Jan-14 19:37:36

FD completed here. Tesco lighter choice or whatever it's called ham and mushroom tagliatelle, about 390 cals I think. Bland but edible and felt nice and substantial, my total is just under 500 so may squeeze in a cup of tea later on.

Felt better this afternoon after my blip of feeling crappy earlier on and burnt off my frustrations on the cross trainer after work!

Well done all on FDs and those who shared their stories, so motivating for me as I'm only on week 2 and feel I have such a long way to go!

lubeybooby Thu 16-Jan-14 19:38:04

Oh my god that was so nice... and get this, I'm stuffed and couldn't eat it all shock

I even left a bit of the burger shock shock

I am however saving it for later to make sure i don't go to bed with the rumblies. Should mean I don't need my olive fix either, so 450cals today grin

graceholl Thu 16-Jan-14 19:39:30

Hi Pavlovs, I have a fair amount of weight to shift and I'm doing 4:3 (been doing 2 weeks). Would happily do a 5:2 week if I couldn't manage 3 fasts due to commitments or what not.

If you are aiming at 1lb a week you would do fine on 5:2; obviously 4:3 gives a greater weekly cal deficit so likely to lose more but not guaranteed. If you live a life that 3 fast days would fit in to then I would say go for it!

Maeve789 Thu 16-Jan-14 19:40:18

Beware of calorie counts on diet products as legally the calorie count has to be right within ten per cent. So something that claims to have 99 cals could well have 109 if it is marketed as a diet product.

BsshBossh Thu 16-Jan-14 19:40:46

Inspiring reviews Betsy and Melanie thanks. My 1 year review is due in a fortnight. Can't believe I've been 5:2ing for a year!

Covered I've not suffered from anaemia due to fasting that I know of. I feel generally tired since last November due to various low-level illnesses but I don't put that down to fasting. You should get a GP's opinion I think, get some blood tests. I know some people who swear by Floradix.

BsshBossh Thu 16-Jan-14 19:41:38

lubey that venison burger sounds delicious, just my kind of thing.

Maeve789 Thu 16-Jan-14 19:42:04

Ive fone two fd this week, so i am done til monday.

Dotty342kids Thu 16-Jan-14 19:43:16

Oh, nothing tastes as good as a FD dinner (well, maybe a slab of Dairy Milk grin )

Normal day tomorrow and got the last of DH's homemade millionaire's shortbread to look forward to. Oh, I'm salivating already!

Maeve789 Thu 16-Jan-14 19:43:19

Phew. I shouldnt feel this much relief! I might just do one more week of two fast days then go down to one fast day a week for a while..
In case i crack.

Woohoo, you ! Well done over the year, Betsy.
Important healthy NSVs, an excellent SV and a lovely review.

Well done to Melanieas well.
Marvellous that you inspired family members to join you on 5:2

Ouch, ELR, today sounds rather painful and you had to worry about looing too, while being lasered.
It's impressive that you womanfully resisted the comfort of cake.

Maeve789 Thu 16-Jan-14 19:44:39

Bshbosh, have u managef it twice a week for a year? Have you had to tell everybody? !

BsshBossh Thu 16-Jan-14 19:44:53

Pavlov welcome! Why don't you start off with 5:2 as generally the average weekly loss for that is 1 lb, then 4:3 can be your fallback option if, after a month or so, 5:2 is not working for you. Two fast days a week are easier as a newcomer and you're less likely to fall off the wagon so soon (three days must be hard!).

TalkinPeace Thu 16-Jan-14 19:45:10

coveredinweetabix
I've not had anaemia that I'm aware of ..... I had it really badly during both pregnancies and had regular blood pressure crashes (hence the faint and the rebuilt nose) but the main thing is to stay really well hydrated.
It might be worth you drinking more milk and having more fish - both of which give lots of accessible iron

lubeybooby Thu 16-Jan-14 19:45:47

BsshBosh they are beyond gorgeous and 113 cals a piece. Stocked in Tesco

However if you use the myfitnesspal barcode scanner it doubles it for some reason, I nearly had kittens til I checked the packet myself and could see that MFP had it wrong. Everything else I've scanned so far has been ok it was just that.

zedzedzed Thu 16-Jan-14 19:48:25

I still have 125cals left!

But they're for emergency night-time pangs, anyone else feel all empty-bellyish and insomniac through the night on FDs (despite saving all cals for dinner?) Any tips Ye Oldies?

Tesco delivery arriving in a minute so I'll get to LOOK at all the lovely things we can eat this weekend (expensive blue cheese, duck breast, smoked salmon, sirloin steak, chocolate mousse makings...as I'm eating much less than before I figured we should splash out on better quality, if less food...can't wait!)

Hope all the FD-ers are happy-ish with what they've accomplished...it's GOT to be better than what you used to shove in your gob and much better to know you can relax tomorrow and try again another day and STILL see things trending downward overall. Well done us.

ShyGirlie Thu 16-Jan-14 19:50:33

so disappointed today....

started this WOL last week on thurs and fasted again on monday. Both successful days, kept strictly to 500 cals.

Weighed myself this morning (weekly weigh on on thurs morning) and the scales are the EXACT same sad sad

so i've had a pretty miserable fast day 2day, felt like giving up (havent so far)

have never taken any measurements so cant compare that

was just really hoping for even 1lb off to encourage me to keep this up. maybe its just not going to work for me? sad sad sad

BsshBossh Thu 16-Jan-14 19:51:45

Maeve yes, twice a week for a year excluding a bit of the school summer holiday when I thought I'd reached goal at BMI 25. My immediate family know I 5:2 as some of them do it too; my friends who are and always have been slim are not interested in diet talk so they know I fast but we never chat about it; my overweight friends ask about it then say Oh my I could never do that! so I don't bother mentioning to them anymore (the evidence of its success is right there before their eyes grin. The person I chat regularly about intermittent fasting with is my DH as he does 6:1 for health reasons only and as a scientist he loves discussing the research.

TalkinPeace Thu 16-Jan-14 19:53:19

shygirlie
a week is nothing : try to think in months
are you staying within TDEE on non fast days?
have a read through the tips and hints to see what ideas you can apply

But remember, this is not a rapid weight loss programme.
Its a way of eating for the rest of your life that will gradually bring your head and body into a healthy place.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 19:55:46

shygirlie, I don't think you can tell much from just a couple of weighings - there can be a lot of variation depending on (no polite way to put this ) gut content and amount of water in you. Go and weigh a mug of water and oh, maybe a banana to see what I mean.

Presumably you didn't overeat on the NFDs?

BsshBossh Thu 16-Jan-14 19:55:57

zed I am insomniac on FDs, or at least I fall asleep fine but wake up very alert at stupid-o-clock. This despite saving my calories for the night time. Fasting can put the body and mind into a state of heightened awareness and alertness so it's something I just accept is par of the course for me.

Shy how has your NFD eating been?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 16-Jan-14 19:56:58

Maeve789 - I am glad you said that as I hadn't realised I can have 3 NFD now grin.

I have 130 ish calories left. What shall I spend them on?

zedzedzed Thu 16-Jan-14 19:57:24

What great reviews betsyb and melanie I truly hope that a year from now I'm in the position to inspire someone like you have me, and start them off on the right foot on their weight-loss journey. thanks grin

almostthereagain Thu 16-Jan-14 19:57:25

Hi Positively 9 sounds like we're in a similar situation! I'm struggling to get back to it post Christmas & overeating in the eves. Have finally managed to reduce the alcohol though as got back in the habit of a daily glass having hardly drunk at all since starting 5:2. Which are you're fast days?

zedzedzed Thu 16-Jan-14 20:00:03

So Bssssh what you're saying is, I'm basically Yoda on FD nights and any burglar who chances his arm is screwed? Excellent. I may put aside some quantum mechanics for 3am rumbletime.

thanks for reply.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 20:00:15

Before artificial light, normal sleeping patterns would include a wakeful period in the middle of the night - maybe this is something that if it happens needs to be embraced (meditate, read some poetry or suchlike) rather than seen as something amiss. My DH quite often wakes in the small hours, downloads and reads the papers and then goes back to sleep.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 20:01:55

x-post zed - yes, ideal time for a bit of light QM grin

BsshBossh Thu 16-Jan-14 20:08:25

My DH got me a Kindle Paperwhite for Christmas because of my middle-of-the-night wakings on FDs. I stay in bed and read without disturbing him for 30 mins or so then I'm ready to sleep again.

zedzedzed Thu 16-Jan-14 20:10:22

thanks for the replyerrol

I've no tools for this empty insomnia!

I can't afford to lose too much sleep though as we have to be back up at 6am to party with the babies. If it was just me who'd suffer...but I think I might sell the babies to the first pedlar who passes by if I get sleep deprived regularly (suffered from PTSD after bad birth, a feature was stress-y nighttime panic-attacks... sorted now but getting up and doing stuff might be tricky as I wouldn't be able to go back to sleep after.

Maybe it'll be better tonight with my emergency munchie cals.

BsshBossh Thu 16-Jan-14 20:12:19

FD over. It was tough and my resolve weakened early on but I made it! Have just broken the fast with some grapes and an apple and a pan of vegetable stew is simmering away on the hob. Now 3 NFDs!

zedzedzed Thu 16-Jan-14 20:14:00

I may look up some meditate-y breathing techniques if nightwakings become a feature regularly. X

ShyGirlie Thu 16-Jan-14 20:19:11

Errol and Talkin - i didnt calorie count on the NFDs, i took the advice "eat what you want" very literally! i know i had quite a bit of chocolate, plus a couple of desserts as there were celebrations at work.

do i need to watch what i eat every single day then? sigh my tdee is about 2150. Crap. Do u lot just type e everything u eat into MFP then or how do u keep track?

Zed I always keep packs of smoked salmon handy for FDs; 130 cals for 100g. Just a sprinkle of lemon juice and I eat on its own.
Also jars of tiny pickled onions, cherry tomatoes, olives stuffed with garlic cloves.
All keep well and can be combined with the salmon or nibbled on their own to top up a few cals.

Eatriskier Thu 16-Jan-14 20:23:08

shy you need to eat normally for this to work but sadly normally doesn't mean what you want. Counting for a couple of weeks can be hugely informative to balance you out and get portion control, and I'd recommend its done for a short while just so you know how much you're consuming. After that don't count it you don't want to (well, unless you stop losing/start gaining). Just remember your TDEE will reduce as your weight drops too. Counting to TDEE is a lot more fun than counting to a reduced level. It's a lot less I can't have x and y as I don't have the calories and more I'll pick between x and y and enjoy the other one tomorrow!

zedzedzed Thu 16-Jan-14 20:25:02

cheers big choc yeah I LOVE the salmon, smoked, pickled or fresh like tonight's gingery affair (2 smoked salmon for a fiver at the mo, thank God!) I like it with peppery rocket and (on NFDs) a big dollop of Philly. Yum.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 16-Jan-14 20:26:04

I don't calorie count on NFDs - hate doing it - but I'm not trying to lose weight fast, just getting the scales to creep down rather than inexorably up. Having said that, after joining this thread and bothering to work out my TDEE I'm keeping rough track. I'm also finding that after the first while of delighted liberation 'eating what I want', that my appetite has adjusted so I'm not too inclined to overeat on NFDs.

CinammonGirl Thu 16-Jan-14 20:29:21

FD 2 - done! Can't believe how good I feel. I am peckish but I have lots of energy, don't feel sluggish and tired and although looking forward to 4NF days, I don't WANT to over-eat. This is a major corner I've turned in my attitude towards food and I'm feeling very positive. To everyone else fasting today, we've done it! thanks

A good night's sleep: It is recommended that for the

hour before bedtime, we avoid using any electronic gadgets
- iPad, PC, TV, Kindle (Bssh !), wii, games etc -

Also, any light from alarm clocks, watches, other electronic gadgets are particularly disturbing, so cover up the gadgets to hide this.
Difficult in practice ! I turn my alarm to face the wall.

TalkinPeace Thu 16-Jan-14 20:34:40

Shygirlie
Eat what you want is a bit of a misnomer : neither Michael Mosely or Mimi Spencer have ever been overweight. So their normal without calorie counting was within their TDEE.

Anybody with a BMI over 25 has got to learn what "normal" should be.
If your TDEE is 2150, then five days a week you get to eat around 2000 calories and 2 days a week is 500 calories.

Give MyFitnessPal a go - not to "count" so much as to start to understand how you got big in the first place
and thus to make the fasting really start to work.

Weight loss is dependent on not over-eating on NFDs.
Once you get used to this WOL, you don't need to calorie count. However, it is good to count for at least the first week, to check you are estimating your NFDs correctly.
Most people are overweight because they (sometimes unknowingly) have eaten above TDEE for years.

For example, many folk don't realise in a coffee shop that when they order a muffin, choc cookie, cheesecake or latte with cream that each item alone may be over 500 cals.
shock
Other calorie bombs: that "small" bar/portion of nuts, chocolate, fries, mum's trifle, Yorkshire, roast pots ......

As for pizza, wine !!!

ShyGirlie Thu 16-Jan-14 20:42:44

Thanks everyone. will try mfp although may wait til monday as heading away for the weekend! smile

positively9something Thu 16-Jan-14 20:59:55

almostthere I fast Mondays and Thursday! How about you? I also hardly drank any alcohol before Christmas either while doing 5:2 but I have been since Christmas confused when did you start 5:2? And what is your current weight?

ShyGirlie Thu 16-Jan-14 21:00:49

sorry, just one more thing. mu FD pattern is as follows...

breakfast: nothing
lunch: around 1.00pm
dinnner: around 8.30pm

is this timing ok?

then breakfast about 7.30 the next morning?

positively9something Thu 16-Jan-14 21:07:32

Wow I wish I had a tdee of 2000 sad mine is now 1528 cals

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Thu 16-Jan-14 21:10:50

shygirlie sorry you didn't lose any weight, maybe just look at this week as a practice run?

I try and eat as late as possible on a fd, so that sounds sensible to me. The gap from 1pm to 8.30 pm would be a bit much for me I think. Once I start eating I get hungry - but I am quite new to fasting.

mscnile Thu 16-Jan-14 21:33:29

Before I read the thread, I'd like to share a NSV to go with the SV from this morning - went out for an early dinner with friends from work, had two glasses of wine, yummy food, including creme brûlée - which I couldn't finish shock. This has never happened before. I had saved most of my TDEE calories for the meal but have still come in under TDEE. V happy grin

ShyGirlie Your program looks fine.
If you are not starting from a lean weight and not post-meno, not on steroids etc, then the reason for not losing is almost always serious over-eating on NFDs.

The freedom not to calorie count only applies if you can properly estimate the amount of food for your TDEE.
Count calories for the last week and the next, see what you find.

almostthereagain Thu 16-Jan-14 21:59:29

positively 9 I started about a year ago, lost weight, felt great & was exercising regularly too. I got slack after a summer hol but managed to maintain weight ok (although still had a few lbs to target) I ate badly over Christmas, felt awful & didn't enjoy quite a lot of it. I had been working really hard & just lost my mojo. Was really up for getting back to it but seem to be struggling confused I am 9.10 now but unfit too. I was around 9.4 -7 but I look & feel much heavier than those few lbs should, must be the lack of exercise. Am hoping to fast mon or tues & thurs. Hope we can spur each other onsmile
Good luck to any fasters tomorrow, those on a fd enjoy!

positively9something Thu 16-Jan-14 22:28:00

almostthere well done for making it to a comfortable weight. How tall are you? I would be happy to be 9.10 right now, I look quite ok at 9.10 grin but 9.4 possibly 9stone is my goal.

What was your starting weight last year? Yes we should keep on each others backs grin I think this thread helped me so much before christmas and I havn't been online much recently so I think thats where I went wrong.

TalkinPeace Thu 16-Jan-14 22:32:09

mscnile
that is a FABULOUS non scale victory

mscnile Thu 16-Jan-14 22:32:30

Ok I've read the thread but there's too much to remember!

Well done to losers and successful fasters, especially those with anniversaries imminent

hang on in there if you haven't lost yet or recently - it's a long term way of eating and loss must be gradual to be sustainable. My loss of 1lb this week is the first proper loss for 5 weeks (as I only lost what I'd gained over Christmas for that's two weeks)

I'm another FD insomniac, getting better at falling asleep but waking early hours with no desire to sleep again, which makes me tired later on!

LilyJoAndMe Thu 16-Jan-14 22:33:58

Hi almosthereagain,
Welcome back and good luck for your next FD.
Here just finished mine. Waow that was a long stint (crawls in on hands and knees).
6am till 10pm. Got there !!!grin

Eating Late / eating carbs

A 300-500 cal FD supper is no problem when your tum is empty, after no breakfast and a very small lunch or none at all. Your body will use all that supper to refuel.

Even on NFDs, after intense fasted training, your body is in fat-burning mode and will readily burn a large post-training meal, even late at night.

Otherwise, however, a large supper can cause weight gain or prevent weight loss. That meal may be 600-1200 cals when your stomach is still digesting lunch and possibly breakfast.

When you go to bed, your body won't burn fat if you haven't exercised much and you've recently fed it all those calories; in fact it will store excess calories as more fat. Carbs are especially likely to be converted to fat.

On NFDs, many people would do better having a larger breakfast and lunch with any desired starchy carbs, grains, dessert or fruit, then a smaller dinner, not too late, mainly protein and veg.

mscnile Thu 16-Jan-14 22:35:20

Thanks TIP (still feeling v pleased with myself!)

That's an impressive NSV, mscnile. No wonder it surprised you !
smile

hopefulgum Thu 16-Jan-14 23:35:20

Some wonderful posts here today (it is daytime for megrin).

Thanks to the long-timers for your yearly wrap up. Such wonderful NSV and of course amazing SV's too.

BigChoc, I have always thought it best to eat carbs in the morning - much more likely to be burnt off by the end of the day. I eat toast on NFD's, but really limit grain in all other meals. I must admit to eating potatoes with an evening meal. I keep digging up new potatoes in the garden, and they are just SOOOO yummy! However, I don't eat them if I haven't grown them, so don't eat them all year round.

Well, I am really chuffed to have a NSV and a SV this morningsmile. The SV isn't a huge one, but I am not bothered as I am expecting AF tomorrow and imagine I will lose a bit more once that happens. I had a loss of 400 grams (which may be close to a pound?), but did measurements again and lost an inch off my hips, half an inch on the waist, but boobs are the same (water weight I guess as it's nearly TOTM).

I have just spent a bit of time online looking for new work pants, as I know mine will be too big in a couple of weeks time! Very pleased about that. My tummy feels much flatter, and I have more waist definition.

Shygirlie, I feel your pain. I was doing 5:2 last year and not really seeing any change in the scales, but it wasn't until restarting just before Christmas and using MFP that I realised that I was eating beyond my TDEE on NFD's.

I have found it very useful and very motivating. I love that I can put recipes into MFP and it will tell you how many calories per serve. I am learning so much (mainly that I was being a pig eating too much). grin

mscnile Fri 17-Jan-14 06:47:06

Congratulations hopeful I love the prospect of new clothes! I haven't done measurements for a while, might do that today. Planning on a run this morning, haven't been out for a while so it will be hard work but worth it.

Shygirlie I have to use MFP to keep track of calories if I want to lose - sometimes I out in what I think I might eat and see if it's going to be within TDEE, other times I just keep track as I go. It really does help to keep me onto the straight and narrow.

Good luck to all fasters today NFD here and working at home all day, will have to be good!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 17-Jan-14 06:51:41

CinnamonGirl - well done!! It's a great feeling when a FD goes well, isn't it? Mine went well yesterday and I am very happy as I am down again this week and back to where I was Christmas Eve. I'm 11 stone 4.4.

That brings me to my question. Do I have to change my TDEE every time my weight changes whether up or down?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 17-Jan-14 06:53:24

NSV! Just got into my black trousers that are a 12 but smaller than the same pair in navy and they fit! Finally.

Eatriskier Fri 17-Jan-14 06:56:40

toffee not every time. Mfp recommends every 10 lbs. But if you start plateauing or gaining it's worth readjusting anyway.

mscnile Fri 17-Jan-14 06:57:10

Yay for toffee! Well done you! I think TDEE needs changing every so often as the lighter you are the less fuel you need. I haven't changed it for a while though...

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 17-Jan-14 06:58:23

Well done mscnile!

Eatriskier Fri 17-Jan-14 07:01:13

Nicely done too toffee and hopeful

Am waiting for dh to vacate the bathroom so I can weigh in. I am still weighing weekly until I'm more sure I've got this maintaining balance right. Was weighing after every fast though so it's a drop. And I'm hoping to keep the weighing dropping too (not longer than once a month though as I don't want the weight creeping back )

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 17-Jan-14 07:04:20

Ok. Every ten pounds it is. I will check later when I last did it but I'm sure I've not lost that much since.

DH making DS a fried egg and in moment of craziness at two losses in a week and getting into my black trousers I said I'd have one. Not sure good idea now.

mscnile Fri 17-Jan-14 07:06:05

I had one the day, it's just an omelette really!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 17-Jan-14 07:06:50

Too late. DS is having it!!

PavlovsCats Fri 17-Jan-14 07:11:36

Right my first ever fast day today, wish me luck!

WannaBeCareerWoman Fri 17-Jan-14 07:11:47

Hello all,

So inspiring seeing all these victories. I joined a couple of months ago, it went ok, but then fell off the wagon for Christmas. I started a few days ago, had one FD, lost a kg, then an NFD and gained it all back! Is this normal? Shall I be more careful on NFD's? How often do people weigh? I gather some people weigh after each FD?

Thanks and wish me luck for re-starting!

Peplum41 Fri 17-Jan-14 07:28:04

Hi weetabix I can sympathise with your struggle to stick to TDEE, as I do too, which is why my I'm firmly in the tortoise camp when it comes to losing weight, whereas you've got your hares like eatsrisk. I think the Xmas stuff and a holiday I had in November, re-ignited my passion for sweet stuff, which I think in turn makes me more snacky and that mindset where you think oh sod it, will be good tomorrow, where's the nutella?

I've brought sugar free, fat free Greek yogurt, actually nicer than it sounds, trying to have a lot less sugar, although Tuesday was a rather heavy cal day, I've managed a couple of sub TDEE, and ok TDEE days this week. Feel more in control. I think my fasts just undo the damage done on nfds rather than create a deficit.

As for the fatigue, is it worth getting a blood test? Could also be the lack of sun, I think there was a discussion about this on the maintenance thread, and trying a sun bed? Hth.

zed I had bad insomnia for a few weeks when I started fasting, another poster recommended bath and bed, read a book, which worked. Sometimes you do feel unpleasantly hungry at bed time, worth saving a few cals for something milky. I like ovaltine light, 77 cals. Most fasts I'm fine, its just the odd one which gets me.

eats I just got new filters for my dyson, what a difference! Its like it was when it was new, and I try to keep on top of rinsing them, although I hate that job.

tip thought for the day, you're full of surprises you.

Ooh nightshift nearly finished. Tara.

curveballs Fri 17-Jan-14 07:29:30

FD survived yesterday. I spent approx two hours debating with myself whether I could go 50 cals over and just have some chocolate. For some reason my cravings for chocolate were unbearable. Then I discovered mini milks are just 30 cals. Came in under 500 and ended the day quite satisfied smile

Eatriskier Fri 17-Jan-14 07:39:24

wannabe Its natural for weight to fluctuate like that, as it will depend on what is in you system and what isn't. MM recommends weighing once weekly after the second fast. Please don't weigh daily unless you aren't likely to get disheartened by the fluctuations. If you want to weigh daily some people here recommend the happy scales app which will smooth out the fluctuations and show you an overall trend.

Eatriskier Fri 17-Jan-14 07:42:48

peplum I've given the filters a good wash out. TBH I hadn't stayed on top of that. Will see if that helps and if not I may try getting some new filters. Really need to clean out the old dyson's filters out too. The old dyson has always been better but its massive and completely impractical in our little house and also sounds like its planing our wood floors...

CinammonGirl Fri 17-Jan-14 07:43:18

Thanks toffee smile

Well first weigh in this morning - I've lost 4lbs!! I'm so so pleased! I know every weigh in wont be as successful as this one but its given me such a boost smile I can do this!

Well done to all yesterday's fasters and good luck to today's!

positively9something Fri 17-Jan-14 07:43:55

Morning all good news I'm down to 10.0.8 this morning after my fat day grin only one pound to go to reach my 9 something that I was before Christmas. I just need to be careful over the weekend not to go over tdee.

Hmm what's everyone having for breakfast?

BsshBossh Fri 17-Jan-14 07:46:13

Well done all of today's losers, especially to Toffee for getting off her plateau.

1 lb down for me this week. So 1.6 lbs away from my goal of 125 lbs smile 5:2 is still definitely working for me one year on.

BsshBossh Fri 17-Jan-14 07:47:44

Hmm what's everyone having for breakfast?

DH has the day off so I'm trying to persuade him to join me for brunch later. I fancy a black pudding and scrambled egg stack on marmalade toast that my local cafe does so well.

BsshBossh Fri 17-Jan-14 07:49:55

Welcome to the madhouse WannaBeCareerWoman smile

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 17-Jan-14 07:54:38

BigChocFrenzy - you say the same as my Wii about eating mainly in the mornings and early afternoon.

PavlovsCat - Good luck!

CinnamonGIrl - it is great, isn't it?! Well done.

I am feeling peckish but don't want to eat yet. Need to leave in 10 minutes to take the kids to school then a quick stop at Asda so home about 9.45. No idea what to have to eat but might wait until lunch as having some polenta I made for the kids that didn't work out so have left it to firm up. Apparently I have to fry it and melt some cheese into it so I have been waiting for a NFD!

Jacket potato and home prepared prawn cocktail for dinner. I was going to buy it but it is really easy to make and probably less strange things on the ingredients list.

BsshBossh Thank you! I am so relieved. Feel blush about my tantrums though grin.

zedzedzed Fri 17-Jan-14 08:05:17

bssh ack! You actually made me gag! All those components are lovely, but all together? I'd need to taste that to believe it.

Thanks to peplum and to all for the insomnia advice, I went to bed later than usual after a lovely salmon/cous-cous dinner, 350cals, with an options hot chocolate with a splash of milk (so still under 500) and slept pretty well...though my dreams are pretty lucid!

Looking forward to 3 NFDs now.

To all those concerned about having to count calories on NFDs, it's an AMAZING education and a tool you can use, then dump, then come back to later if you go awry...and if you feel cheated that you still have to count cals on a nfd while on 5:2, just remember your TDEE is based on maintenance calories, (set MFP to maintain weight) there're a lot more 'allowed' than on a calorie controlled diet, which is what stops you (me) binging.

But if you're going way over regularly, yes, you'll make up your FD deficit and gain. But it's SOOOOO much better than eating low fat crud everyday of your life...forever!
I'm saying this with no clue whether I'm losing yet or not, just based on how in control and happy with my choices I feel!

DH did FD with me yesterday, very proud of him.

Eatriskier Fri 17-Jan-14 08:05:31