The 5:2 thread number 35 - A new year’s resolution you’ll want to keep? Try 5:2 - it's not a diet, it's a lifestyle. Whether you want to shift fat, get healthy or discover some missing self control -

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BetsyBell Wed 08-Jan-14 17:11:23

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a TDEE calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV/LSV = Non scale victory/Lifestyle (change) victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

Other Threads
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Tips and Links : Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

Inspirational: eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

Recipes: frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Exercise: bigchocfrenzy has an incredibly informative and helpful exercise and fitness thread for discussion and advice on combining 5:2 with an exercise regime.

Maintaining: If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Other links
This is a BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.

This Telegraph article comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

This blog post gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this article appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

BetsyBell Wed 08-Jan-14 17:14:45

Oops - lost the end of the title!

" - it can all happen here!"

Thanks to Cuckoo for the title smile

Please fill up the old thread first folks...

BetsyBell Wed 08-Jan-14 17:15:32
TalkinPeace Wed 08-Jan-14 17:49:21

I will bags first place on it grin

MazzleDazzle Wed 08-Jan-14 18:11:07

ANOTHER thread? We're a talkative lot!

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Wed 08-Jan-14 19:55:31

marking place

going for 4:3 this week to counteract lack of exercise, but managed to run today after all grin

CuckooAtchooUhOh Wed 08-Jan-14 20:00:36

Twerks onto new thread.......

Yeah baby!! Let's do this mofo!

Eatriskier Wed 08-Jan-14 20:02:14

flowers

Baloostika Wed 08-Jan-14 20:02:26

Marking my place.

BsshBossh Wed 08-Jan-14 20:04:35

What, another thread already!!?! grin

youaremychocolatecake Wed 08-Jan-14 20:14:11

Hello. Marking my place. Not actually started yet as EBF and can't seem to find out of it's ok or not. Still losing weight naturally but has slowed down to almost nothing now (10 weeks)

What, a new thread, already ?
<Pops in, dripping chocolate>
Many thanks, Betty and to Cuckoo for suggesting the title.
flowers

TimeToPassGo Wed 08-Jan-14 21:16:58

Marking place for my continued WW / 5:2 hybrid grin

zedzedzed Wed 08-Jan-14 21:35:51

Marking mine.

ShyGirlie Wed 08-Jan-14 22:24:19

Help!!! First ever fast tomorrow and I'm terrified!!!!! Feel hungry already!

Plan for 2moro-

Breakfast = 40g porridge with water

Lunch = 145g blueberries. ( book said to have these on porridge, but don't think I'll cope without something in middle of day?!?)

Dinner = chicken stir fry as per book ( but with fry light, saving about 20 calories) plus tangerine.

Leaves approx 20 cal to play with.

Can I do this?!?

Actually terrified!

Welcome, ShyGirlie. We tend to avoid carbs and fruit on FDs.
Porridge can make you hungry later.
Fruit for lunch would be worse and can upset an empty tum.
Most of us skip breakfast, to gain health benefits from fasting and to save cals for later. I suggest:

Breakfast- Double nearly-black coffee / espresso / tea (max 10 cals) for breakfast
Lunch - Chunky veg / bean soup (no bread)
Supper - protein and lots of veg, like your chicken stir-fry

I know the healthy eating brigade keep pushing fruit, but I only eat it on NFDs.

ErrolTheDragon Wed 08-Jan-14 23:09:04

Hello - I've not been on these threads before, I started doing 5:2 last year, had a break over xmas and started again this week.

ErrolTheDragon Wed 08-Jan-14 23:43:56

Um, bigchoc, I think Shygirlies plan is exactly the first meal plan in the Michael Moseley and Mimi Spencer 5:2 book! The latter is keen on tangerines and an apple (core, pips and all!) for lunch. (I sometimes do that and its OK)

Shygirl, yes, you can do this. If that's what you're planning, I'd say try having the porridge and fruit together for lunch and just have coffee or tea (with some of that 20 cal in milk if you want) in the morning. Remember, there's nothing wrong with feeling hungry for a while - you can eat the next day. smile Do remember to drink lots as well as the food you've planned - water or green/herbal teas - because normally a lot of our liquid comes in our food so we need more drinks when fasting.

ChocCake Best to wait until 3 months after birth.
Also, then do 1000 cal FDs, not 500 cals - official recommendation from a leading IF scientist, Dr Varady.
Congrats on your baby flowers

Errol, ShyGirlie I know they are always pushing that fruity plan.
however, many of us have found in practice that porridge and fruit leave us very hungry by afternoon.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 00:07:45

Yes - I wouldn't have it in the morning. Was thinking if she didn't have apt soup in better have it for lunch than get put off starting.

It took me 3 months before i could manage 500 cal FDs.
The most important lessons for me at least were: no sugar, no fruit, no starches, no breakfast.
Still, YMMV as ever.

ElenorRigby Thu 09-Jan-14 06:38:12

Hullo all, I came across the Horizon documentary this week, it made sense, so I'm giving it a go.

It's my second fast day today.

My first was on Tuesday. I had breakfast of scrambled eggs at 6:30ish. From about 11am to 2pm I was ravenous then around 3pm I was fine. I had a light dinner after which I felt quite sleepy around 8pm.
I went to bed and had the best nights sleep Ive had in months! Very strange.

Today I think I will wait until this evening before having my 500.

My starting stats are
BMI:31 Weight: 172lbs blush

ShirtySocks Thu 09-Jan-14 07:01:50

I'm back on it after binging over Christmas blush

First day Monday I had no breakfast, parsnip and ginger soup for lunch, two ryvita thins about 4pm and a chicken stir fry thingy (meal from Waitrose - cheat!)

Today I'll be doing the same and having a ready meal in the evening again - because they were on offer grin
I do struggle with the evening meal as I HATE the trying to substitute things to make a low fat meal <cauliflower rice I'm looking at you> so I tend to either have a ready meal - the waitrose ones are lovely or something very simple like a chicken breast with veg (but soooooooo boring)
In my defence, I cook from scratch the rest of the week for the family.

First day of fasting (after Christmas) was fine except for last 15 mins before tea when I just lost the plot and was stomping around like a bear with a sore head!

Hope everyone else who has just started is getting on ok. I must admit my heart sinks when I realise it is a fast day but I can do it, and it's only a day <repeat sixty billion times>

somewherebecomingrain Thu 09-Jan-14 07:07:01

Hello - omg this thread is packed with newbies!

I am achieving the holy grail - yesterday I had to stop eating my fast day supper half way through because I felt too stuffed!! Wtf.

It was a 750-800 mini fast but even so!

I had 2 milky coffees, and 3 poached eggs at 1.30pm. That totally shut my hunger off.

Then a soup/roast chicken/broad bean concoction that would not recruit ANYONE to 5:2 on culinary presentation merit but was tasty.

Hey breast feeders I was EBF till recently and successfully stuck to 500 much of the time, even did a 250 liquid fast. I found it ok at first but as my weight dropped it was just insane - I'd eat 4000 cals in one day and plateaued totally.

That's why I mini fasted yesterday - I'm still bf a bit and want to avoid eating like a bodybuilder.

This morning had a carby breakfast frenzy - 1200-1500 cals but feel definitely full and most uncomfortable, rather than that strange aching sub hunger that i,d have all the time on nfds before.

Eatriskier Thu 09-Jan-14 07:10:29

shirty I know what you mean re low fat subs. Though some I really enjoy. Shredded butternut squash makes an excellent pasta substitute. I've taken to doing myself some batch cooking and using some prepacked noodle soups for fast days. My current batched selection is peri peri chicken (to go with a small portion of rice), Irish stew and squash and lentil soup. Though I'm almost out so will need to refill up the weekend.

Well done Elenor, Somewhere

Shirty Ready meals are definitely not cheating. Many of us do this on FDs; it saves so much faffing around and you know the exact calories.

Some folk enjoy special diet substitutes like those zero-cal noodles others think that those are revolting, slimy, stink of old fish and even the dog refuses them

frenchfancy Thu 09-Jan-14 08:40:34

Thanks again Betsy for the new thread. Good to see the support continuing.

DottiestDoris Thu 09-Jan-14 08:46:36

Morning all! Marking my place

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 08:54:37

The other good thing about ready meals is that if you're not spending so long in the kitchen there's less temptation to absentmindedly eat something! A ready meal with a pile of extra low-carb veg suits me well.

Eggs are pretty similar - nicely packaged, don't need to weigh, quick to cook.

>Shredded butternut squash makes an excellent pasta substitute
I've never seen one in the UK but if you can find them, spaghetti squash is great! (And roast the seeds to eat on non-fd days).

RavenousRunner Thu 09-Jan-14 09:19:32

Whoever said keep busy - you are so right! Was miserable this morning, once I left the house felt fine. Meeting all morning with nothing available but hot drinks feels like a blessing now.

Really need to sleep later on FDs though, getting up at 5 means I have far too long to think about the butter I'll be having on my two pieces of toast tomorrow...

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 09:21:56

Mornin Losers!

Fd check in.

Eat - you bringeth me first gifteth of the year! Spaghetti squash, I like the sound of that!

Thanks for that link too Errol - but does it really keep for 6 mths???! Wow! Not that it would ever make it that far, just surprised.
Can't get my head around how it will feel, look and taste in this form yet as I've prob only ever roasted them. But excited to try any new food idea - esp if it's of the healthy but tasty and satisfying variety!

DinoSnores Thu 09-Jan-14 09:27:17

I've been doing this WOL for 3.5 weeks now while breastfeeding my 10mo. I've not noticed any change in hunger with DD, although she eats well so only has milk 3-4 times a day. I've kept my FDs to 500 kcal but don't worry too much if I go a bit over. Since I started I've lost 3.5kg so it all seems to be going in the right direction!

Love the shredded butternut squash idea! I got one in the veg box this week and usually just roast it in wedges but will have to try that.

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 09:27:50

Right Thursday Fasters - LET'S DO THIS!

<drinks black coffee>

ImABadGirl Thu 09-Jan-14 09:28:42

SV for me today I've lost 7lb since starting on the 30th Dec, I know it's mostly water but hey my work skirt is fitting better smile

FD for me yesterday and I wasn't hungry until 4pm then had porridge 160 calories, got home and still wasn't hungry, anyway got to 9pm and went to bed!

so I went 21 and a half hours on only 160 cals and I still feel fine and still not hungry, this has got to be good smile

ImABadGirl Thu 09-Jan-14 09:31:05

Sorry I'm currently on 37 hours on 160 calories, my maths is not my strongest point grin

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 09:32:17

I usually have a butternut squash either sitting on the counter or roasted chunks in the fridge. Today I have neither shock

Must go shopping!

I don't think butternut would shred very well, they don't have that stringy texture. A coquina or pumpkin probably would.

I love butternut best of all though - those roasted chunks are a wonderful addition to any salad, pasta dish, soup, or just straight from the fridge.

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 09:34:11

Imabadgirl I reckon some of that 7lb is cold hard fat! Well done smile

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Thu 09-Jan-14 09:38:51

NSV!!

my engagement ring is now too big and annoys me when i run

<adds to ever-growing shopping list> grin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 09:44:55

As usual, slow to the party hmm.

DD is ill. Plan a quiet day with her.

I am about to make soup and bread.

I posted this on the old thread but was hoping for advice and encouragement but if you want to say stop moaning I will take that too grin -

Morning all. It is blowing a gale here today. Quick post as I need to make 2 packed lunches and get chicken casserole in the slow cooker.

Weigh the same again, 11 stone 6lbs. So frustrating. It did get me thinking though and I recall now that this always happens when I try and lose weight. I lose about a stone then nothing. It happened when I did the diet chef plan, it happened when I did Pig to Twig and now again. Today I intend to have three meals if I can and then see what happens next week. I just know my weight will creep up again so I have to be careful. I remember also when I was doing DC I got stuck so I took a week off and just ate what I wanted. I lost weight.

Hope everyone has a good day.

EATmum Thu 09-Jan-14 09:48:14

Hello everyone. Been a while since I've been on the 5:2 threads, , can I rejoin? After a binge over Christmas I'm back on 5:2 (I had gone to 6:1 as I was at my target weight). I'm after some inspiration - we almost always have chilli/garlic prawns with lots of salad on fasting days - delicious (and only about 200 cals), but I want some inspirations for variety. Anyone want to recommend their favourite FD recipe for me? We tend not to eat in the day so save all the cals for the evening (other than black coffee of course, wouldn't survive without that!)

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 09:51:56

Sympathies TheLeastAccomplishedBennettGirl - my rings are too small and to add insult to injury I only had them resized about 3 months ago as I was damaged. They made it too small so it had to go back. Chances are the too small would fit now hmm.

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 09:53:34

Toffee Plateaus happen when you lose a big chunk of weight (which you have). Your body needs to recalibrate itself to your new weight (I read some science about this at some point but have forgotten it now!). It might take a couple of weeks, it might take a couple of months. Don't get disheartened, keep going as you are and it will start shifting again at some point.

Some things you can try

Changing fast days
Upping exercise
Eating more 1 day a week (feasting!)

This happens to everyone (except the weirdo eatriskier wink ) so you're in good company.

I'm finding it hard to get below my record low from August - I got back there just before Christmas - but then it was Christmas so I'm back up a few pounds again! But I'm just keeping going, getting back into exercise and see what happens. (I'm by no means underweight either - BMI is 23).

Focus on the health benefits not the flab. Oh and measuring's good - 5:2er's waistlines often reduce when the scales don't.

Keep the faith Toffee!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 09:53:43

Welcome back EATmum I remember you smile.

I haven't got a favourite FD recipe yet but one I do like is the cauliflower cheese with anchovies that a 5:2 recommended about 3 threads ago.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 09:59:13

Thank you very much BetsyBell. Does the fact it has happened with all previous attempts mean that it isn't something I am doing wrong as so much as my body doing what it wants?

I am making soup but will definitely be having it with some lovely cheese and bread today. I will have a feast day with lovely food and tomorrow if DD is back at school I will have an hours walk. Lovely.

Thanks again flowers.

youaremychocolatecake Thu 09-Jan-14 10:03:00

Thank you big choc. He is 10 weeks so will leave it a couple of weeks them to be safe. smile

Darnley Thu 09-Jan-14 10:04:18

Marking place on second fd.

So far so good

fuckwittery Thu 09-Jan-14 10:05:32

Hi can I join? I've got a 3month old baby and 2 stone to lose. Today is my first non fast day, havent eaten anything yet but feel I will need to do so before nursery pick up at 12 in case I keel over on the walk. Am using MFP to track calories
Plan today is
Coffee (20)
Poached egg and 2 oatcakes (169)
Soup (115)
Cous cous veg and smoked salmon (235)

Thats about 550 but I am breastfeeding (only 1 or 2 feeds a day though
Does that sound ok experienced 5:2 ers?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 10:07:29

I measured recently so I will do that again in the morning.

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 10:15:50

Good news Fuckwittery, if you are exclusively breastfeeding you are advised to have 1000 calories on a fast day so you can double up those portions.

I guess if you're not ebf then you could drop down to 750.

I've never seen spaghetti squash in the UK.

Slim noodles/ eat water etc are available in Holland and Barrett and similar - a nicer alternative are Nakd noodles (as featured on Dragons Den). They have a few more cals and carbs, but minimally, and just taste a bit better.

I amde a lovelt FD meal on Monday, must blog and link sometime soon, but in essence:

Use a vegetable peeler to make a courgette into ribbons.

Get a teeny pice (20g) of chorizo, cut into thin slices, crisp them in a frying pan - they need no extra oil.
Take them out, but keep the oil they've released. Add a squashed garlic clove and a squeeze of tomato puree. Add the courgette ribbons and stir them until softened. Add a handful of halved cherry tomatoes, and let them soften. Serve the corugettes in tomato sauce with the crispy chorizo slices on top. Around 150 cals.

somewherebecomingrain Thu 09-Jan-14 10:32:03

Melani amazing please add to recipe thread!!!

Not2bObvious Thu 09-Jan-14 10:32:07

Toffee I'm your weight twin, 11.6'ish as well and no shift here in 2 weeks, Xmas weight won't move. Very disheartening but I'm going to make a commitment, now I've said it so it's out there, to leave the scales for a week. I am in dreadful humour all week because of it.
On 2nd FD - 2.5 hours til lunch. Not doing too bad, time for a cuppa though

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 10:34:02

Melanie Sounds delicious. A few chunks of roast butternut squash would go with that too! (not that I'm stuck on a theme here or anything…!)

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 10:36:41

Not2 If weighing in elicits an emotional response then es, you should endeavour to weigh less. Try putting them somewhere difficult so you can't just 'pop on for a peek'.

Just remember, you're in good company with the plateauing.

Ditch the scales and focus on the NSVs for a while smile

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 10:36:55

I've got a butternut squash in my veg rack...its one of those things that I buy and forget about it. Lucky they keep quite well in those tough skins. How do you roast yours - I usually do mine with some oil, can it be done without?

fuckwittery Thu 09-Jan-14 10:51:29

Thanks Betsy I'm only bf 1/5 of my baby's total feeds so maybe if ebf gives an extra 500 cal then I should have 100 extra.

Can i ask what you do about exercise on fast days? I've used my fitness pal a lot in the past and am used to adding on my speed walks throughout the day (4.5 miles on school runs) to be able to eat more when calorie countimg! is this acceptable on a fast day or does it go against the principles ?

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 10:55:09

Errol I usually peel and chop the top half into cubes, the bottom half I chop into unpeeled crescents. Roast the lot in olive oil, garlic, thyme, rosemary, salt and pepper. Divine.

I'll often cook one up like this while I'm cooking a different meal in the oven, maybe serve up a few crescents with that meal and save the rest for other purposes.

If it's a fast day I might pop a 3 or 4 cubes in a salad, but I dress the salad in only yogurt, lemon and pepper so no additional oil calories going in there.

I haven't worked out the calorie count but you can do an entire squash in 1 glug (tablespoon?) of oil - 120 calories and end up with 20 pieces so the oil calories per piece are going to be 6 calories, 100g raw butternut squash is 45 calories. So maybe 10-12 calories at the most per chunk in total?

Please feel free to correct me anyone who's better at calorie counting!

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 10:56:59

We don't add on exercise calories on fast days FW! Sorry! You get the BF credit though grin - 100 sounds sensible. See how you go, you have ruined your fast day if you eat 700, 800 or whatever. Lots of people work their way down to the 500 or 600.

MrsFlorrick Thu 09-Jan-14 10:58:16

Morning campers grin

NFD here already done two this week plus one on Sunday.

DC are both at school (school and pre school) today! Hurrah! First time in 3 weeks with a moment to myself. gringrin and DH at work so it's just me and the guinea pigs. smile

Having a cup of tea and MNing. Relaaaaaaaaaxing grin I should do something worthy like go to a museum or for a swim or something but I absolutely cannot be arsed. Thinking of having a cheeky nap too. The DC were kept up by all the windy weather over the last couple of weeks and I am so so sooooooooo short of sleep it's untrue.

So now on week 12 of staying at 158lbs. Bssh. At this rate I will beat your very long stall.

Oh well only 6lbs to go so it will happen eventually..

Cuckoo. Twerking. grin

Bigchocfrenzy. You are very inspirational. thanks

Thanks for thread Betsy. brew

And all the newbies. Well done. You're all forging ahead with good losses. Don't be out off by my tales of a long weight loss stall. I've only 6lbs to go to get my BMI just below 21 and it's goes very slowly right at the end.
The good news is until the last few lbs you lose at a really good pace.
And it's easy isn't it!?!

No special food, no books, no weigh in club, no expensive membership, no cutting out of whole food groups. Just two day at 500/600 cals and the rest at TDEE grin

The only expense in relating to this WOE/WOL is the new smart significantly smaller clothes you'll have to buy as you lose weight gringrin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 11:17:51

Just a quick note to say This Morning are talking diets now and I expect 5:2 will feature.

Eatriskier Thu 09-Jan-14 11:35:09

I feel like I dropped a bomb on the thread and the buggered off!

This is my butternut squash pasta substitute:
take a squash and peel it.
continue to peel into ribbons (so more parpadelle than spaghetti)
sauté with a bit of garlic, salt and pepper for about 6 mins
add sauce or whatever topping you want (I'm partial to arrabiatta myself)

For someone who used to be a real veggie avoider this is one of my favourite recipes now, so this should give it a high recommendation! And its so easy. Just make sure you have a decent peeler.

Southeastdweller Thu 09-Jan-14 11:35:56

Thanks for the new thread Betsy.

PoshPaula Thu 09-Jan-14 11:37:01

Okay I am at a minor crisis point. I am at work today. If I don't eat I will go nuts.

SO I am going to get myself a cuppa soup and get a grip.....

Eatriskier Thu 09-Jan-14 11:37:58

Though now I've typed that I really want some. I'll be buying a large squash over the weekend then. And think I'll use melanie's chorizo method too. Omnomnomnom

ImABadGirl Thu 09-Jan-14 11:42:42

eatriskier that sounds fab, how many calories is this?

MorrisZapp Thu 09-Jan-14 11:53:11

Loving Hartleys sugar free jelly. 6 or 10 calories depending on pot size. Quite firm jelly so it feels more of a food than a drink smile

What's the lowest possible calorie milk or milk substitute? I can't give up tea and coffee (although have decaff, I'm not a caffeine addict) and it seems such a waste of calories.

Well done BadGirl, you are managing the FDs well and that is fast weight loss. Maybe your squat challenge is helping to burn something as well as giving you BunsOfSteel.

Errol Thanks for the link; I think Our Lidl has the squash in that picture. I adore roasted butternut squash as a potato substitute, so maybe this will stand in for pasta.

Eatriskier Thu 09-Jan-14 12:03:18

imabadgirl I usually use about 190g (that just is what seems right on my plate). With the garlic and S&P it comes in at around 95 cals. Then add on calls for whatever sauce etc. But far better than the 280 calories my normal portion of pasta costs me (80g uncooked). Plus its keeps me fuller for longer.

I quite often had it with half a jar of arrabiata sauce and a veggie sausage. All came in under 300cals, so plenty of space for a cup of soup and a yoghurt for a dessert too!

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 12:12:22

Imabadgirl it's funny isn't it! So when people think we are depriving ourselves or getting competitive by doing LOF or eating much less than 500 on a fd, in the name of 5:2, it's actually just something that happens naturally for some of us.
It also isn't always necessarily going to happen. As a 35 year old still menstruating, I can def say my months vary from start to finish with my fd hunger.

Hello MrsF! Look-ing fine if I may say so. wink

Butternut squash. I know they keep for yonks skin on, but did I read that link right.... sure it said once spaghettified it keeps for 6 months?... guess I should go back and look! hmm

Water and a coff so far today. Going well.

Funny how this woe makes you naturally crave healthier stuff. All of my food fantasies at mo are of the veggie salad based nature! Not a bit of bread in sight!

Oh, is everyone cutting, dicing, scraping the butternut squash themselves ?
I just buy the ready diced packets in the frozen or chilled section and I will continue this lazy way
I even get the Dukan freeze-dried squash in longlife packets from low carb stores. A ripoff, but very convenient, low-cal healthy nibbles.

farrowandballs Thu 09-Jan-14 12:14:58

Hi all, those butternut squash ideas sound amazing! Well after a verry cold and shivery ( but successful) FD yesterday I am soooo enjoying my NFD today! Just had potted shrimps on wholemeal toast and a thin bar of dairy milk. Feels so good to know I dont have to stress about what I'm eating. Love this WOE!

Dotty342kids Thu 09-Jan-14 12:16:08

Another fan of butternut squash here, especially roasted and blitzed up with either roasted red pepper or a tin of a tomatoes to make a soup.

Trying out a new soup recipe today: red lentil, thyme and lemon. As main ingredients are lentils and a tin of tomatoes I reckon a bowl will come in at around 200 cals so room for a bread roll with it for tea! smile

One of our favourite FD recipes is a Nigella squash and red lentil curry (google it and it should pop up) if we want to cook (we add spinach to it too), or, if we can't be arsed to cook then "Indian Beans on Toast". Fry some chopped onion, chopped green chilli and tsp of garam masala until golden and soft. Add tin of beans and cook through until starting to go mushy. Serve half portion with two small pieces of wholemeal toast. It is delicious smile

ImABadGirl Thu 09-Jan-14 12:16:24

Thank you bigchoc I'm in a good place and really don't want to be the fat mummy at the school gate, DS starts school this september so want to be at target for then, I know this weight loss will slow down but it's giving me motivation to keep going, I've upped my water intake from vitually nothing to 6 or 7 glasses a day, that seems to be helping.

Luckily in my job I'm free to roam back and forwards to the toilet so drinking so much water is fine.

I'm now on 60 squats will be 65 tomorrow grin

EarSlaps Thu 09-Jan-14 12:19:24

Just marking my place on the new thread. Had a 750 cal FD yesterday (I'm mixing it all up now I'm maintaining) and had a bit of a shock on the scales this morning- 9st0.4 shock. It hovered in the 8s for a moment and I nearly fell over with shock. So I feasted on deviant porridge for breakfast and a yummy chocolate cake at playgroup grin. Going to have a jacket potato with tuna and cottage cheese for lunch- yum.

Just going to pop my gym clothes on and get started on Ripped. Then a whizz around tidying ready for our cleaner starting tomorrow. I need to tidy so she can see the surfaces to clean them!

cuckoo put the bottle down
Spaghetti squash is a different kind of veg.
You can also try eat's recipe for making a spaghetti substitute from butternut squash if you're not a cackhanded disaster in the kitchen like me

TheRaniOfYawn Thu 09-Jan-14 12:22:21

Fasting today and I have just realised that the meal planned for tonight is baked potatoes which is a bit more carb heavy than I would normally choose on a fd. Any good ideas for toppings? I've got around 450 cals for dinner. Back up plan is to have tuna mayo and a big salad but I want something hot. Hmmm... Tuna mayo, big salad and soup is probably doable on those calories, isn't it?

TalkinPeace Thu 09-Jan-14 12:28:56

Another Thursday faster here ....

Wedding / Engagement rings too big
My original wedding ring is so loose it just falls off if I straighten my fingers.
losing it on Lyme Regis beach while feeding the gulls and then finding it again was a memorable afternoon
So DH bought me another simple gold ring that is two sizes smaller to hold it on.
Cheaper than resizing and a permanent memento of how fat my fingers were.

Southeastdweller Thu 09-Jan-14 12:31:38

Rani I'd have cottage cheese with chilli seeds.

Morris I use unsweetened almond milk, super-healthy. it has about 35 cals per 100ml, so I count a splash as 5 cals. Waitrose do this.

Unsweetened soya milk has only 30 cals per 100ml, but some warn against it, specially for those vulnerable to breast cancer. I gave it up.

Holland & Barratt have rice milk and oat milk, which are healthy, but have a few more carbs and cals.

On NFDs, I find oat cream goes very well with stewed rhubarb.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 12:42:53

<flops on to thread again>

Just had my soup. OMG it was delicious and so decadent when I had stirred some spare double cream through it. In it was white and red onions, mushrooms, lardons, celery, carrots, potatoes, tomatoes, parsnips and swede. So nice. With it I had some home made tomato, cheese and basil bread. Delicious.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 12:53:17

Having just got back from Sainsburys with my ready meal for tonight... why do all the low calorie ready meals feature a dollop of carb? They're still on the low-fat idea.... what I want on FDs is something I can bung in the microwave which is lots of veg, some protein and a yummy sauce but not the rice or noodles. Does anyone do something like that?

Milk - for some reason up till this week I'd been overestimating the calorie content in the amount of milk I have in tea. I'm delighted by this as I'm a white tea addict! Skimmed is 35 cals per 100ml, so if you use ~30 mls per mug that's ~10 cals.

curveballs Thu 09-Jan-14 12:54:41

Second FD today. This morning was hard but enjoyed my soup at lunch. Hoping the rest of the working day will fly by and it will be dinner time before I know it. Hope that's not wishful thinking!

TheRaniOfYawn Thu 09-Jan-14 12:58:46

Waitrose have some ready meals with sweet potato as the carb and the M&S feel fuller longer does have carbs but less than most.

Errol, see if you can locate the "Look what we found!" sachets - they're in a black pouch. They are things like chicken tikka, chilli, meatballs etc in a sauce, but without the rice/ pasta/ potato bit. usually about 200-300 cals a pack.

TheRaniOfYawn Thu 09-Jan-14 12:59:22

Also, Toffee, that soups sounds delicious.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 13:01:23

thanks...I thought of the M&S ones but most of those are (IIRC) a bit too big for my FD - over the 400 cal mark.

Seems to me there's a gap in the market!

Toffee I'll have to stop reading your posts on FDs !
smile
Your soup and homemade bread too just sound so delicious and a perfect combination. Your family are very lucky to enjoy your cooking all the time.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 13:10:52

My older two aren't really fans of soup though DD will eat Heinz tomato. It is my baby (aged 8) who loves soup and will always try it. I am hoping they will have some of the bread with the chicken casserole tonight and I won't do rice with it in the hope they will want a carb.

ShyGirlie Thu 09-Jan-14 13:11:28

surviving so far! followed advice and nkw javing porridge for lunch insteax of breakfast - much better, thank you!

Errol - what is apt soup?

also, is black coffee and tea zero calories? please say yes!!!

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 13:24:48

(....digs deep to find best thick face, doesn't have to dig for long)

....Uh...Doh!!!....

Points at Errol ... I blame you! Clearly it is far too early in the year to be putting out information on tinternet that could easily confuse those of us still short of few brain cells post Xmas boozing!

grin grin

Neva 'eard of 'em before!

Well you learn something new everyday! I'll take that as two for price of one. I can have butternut parpadelle a la Risky, and try new spaghettii squash a la Errol!

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 13:38:20

Oh and thanks BigChoc.....

Bet you hated feeling all kitchen superiory then didn't ya! Thanks for putting yourself out to enlighten me. I really 'appreciate' it.

And you should have no trouble preparing from fresh, woman!! With guns like yours would be piece of cake to peel the buggers (though maybe you'd want to cook this first before shoving down your gullet). No excuses....you're just being..LAZY!! ... (runs and hides amongst technical cooking equipment BC will never find)

It goes in the oven. Surely even you can manage closing the door first to prevent a squashy ceiling????.... hmmm perhaps not hmm

... (megaphone)... now get back to subject of exercise, and stop trying to show me up lording it up around cooking stuff with your fancy pants knowledge of vegetables!!!!!

wink ahhh did I say I'd missed you? X

BobPatSamandIgglePiggle Thu 09-Jan-14 13:42:16

Hi - signing in smile

Only on 2nd FD ever today. Did 7.30 pm Monday - 7.30 pm Tuesday on hot water and lemon with no problems.

Struggling a tiny bit today but I'm less busy - never sat still on Tuesday but wok is quieter so I'm noticing more.

I think this will be better in the long run though rather than spreading the calories out over the day as I'd be licking DH's plate of an evening - I'd rather fast completely then have a normalish dinner.

I'm on my 4th mug of lemon water... roll on tea time!

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 13:49:40

Salivating over Toffee's soup. Then read bread bit...actual chin dribble now!

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 13:50:23

>Errol - what is apt soup?

oh, I just meant whether you happened to have something appropriate soup-wise you could sub for the porridge according to Bigchocs suggestion. Because if you didn't then prob better to stick to what you had rather than derailing your first day. smile But that's bye the bye now.

>also, is black coffee and tea zero calories? please say yes!!!
Yes!

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 13:52:26

AAAAAAAAAAARGH!

Just back from dreaded first time in many years weigh in (only so I know my TDEE thingy). It's even WORSE than my worst fears.

I'm 5ft10 and weigh.....<very sad funeral-type drum rolls>.....248lbs.

Gulp. Holy crap. That's 17st10 or 112.6kg and a BMI of 35.6 (well into the obese camp).

That would be a hellish total of 103lbs/7stone/47k I need to lose. Which, at 1lb a wk will take 2yrs.

Wellity-fuckity-crud. Am pretty teary-eyed and trembly as I feel so ashamed I let this happen. I'm only a size 18, I wanted to drop 3 dress sizes...I had no idea I would be sooooo gigantically heavy.

BUT on the plus-sized-side...apparently I'm allowed 2264cals on NFDs. That sounds mentally much.

Gulp.

123rd Thu 09-Jan-14 13:52:34

I'm on my 3rd fd today. And the days have been ok. Having a 75 cal yog and satsuma for"lunch" but felt abit shaky after cycling home from work so thought I'd make myself a knorr stock pot drink 10 cals, two spring onions chopped up and it's really nice. A tiny bit salty so I do keep adding more hot water to the mug to dilute it. But defo worth a go.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 13:56:23

I got some miso sachets for the first time today - not bad, makes a nice change from marigold - needed more water than it said else too salty but that's fine.

RavenousRunner Thu 09-Jan-14 14:00:03

zzz Total sympathy, there's nothing worse than when the scales smack you in the face. If your clothes still fit it can be hard to notice (I blame at least a stone on bloody jeans with stretch in them). On the positive side if you're still a size 18 you probably have a good lot of muscle as well.

2 years does sound long, but imagine getting to the end of those two years and being the same size or having put on more. Even though it takes time you'll feel happier straightaway knowing you've got control and are getting healthier.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 14:00:30

Bit of an x-post with 123 - that's the trouble with stock-cube type drinks, isn't it? The marigold I use is the lower salt one and even that's pretty salty! But extra hot water is no bad thing.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 14:00:33

grin at Cuckoo.

I have the blues today confused. Has it been properly proven if chocolate lifts your mood yet? I do not want to spend another second feeling like this sad. I have this annoying habit of letting people upset me or if there is change in my day and I do not like it.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 14:02:53

zedzedzed - hang in there! I have been trying on and off to lose weight for 1 year 6 months and have only lost 2 stone iirc. You can do this! I am happy it has been so slow tbh as it is more likely to stay off.

WipsGlitter Thu 09-Jan-14 14:03:54

Fasted on Tuesday, not too hard. Weighed in the next morning (yesterday) had dropped 6lbs, weighed in this morning - seem to have put it all back on again!!

ImABadGirl Thu 09-Jan-14 14:04:21

zed first of all well done for getting on the scales, now you know it'll only go one way.....down.

I've lost 7 lb in this first week of fasting so you can too, you just have to stick with it and remember the phrase

'I can have it tomorrow'

You also have lots of support on here, we're all with you smile

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 14:08:27

It's so stupid but I just can't stop crying. It's only a number and I've already started to deal with it by starting this WOE....but it sucks, it just bloody sucks and there's no quick fix. It's going to be so hard not to do the 'starve myself all the time thing to try to get a jump start on it', even though I know it only makes things worse, very scared of eating over 2000cals when trying to lose weight... I just want to fast forward a year! Covered in snot now. Pity party here, bring your own miso soup. x

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 14:09:38

Oh thanks all....more snot...grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Not2bObvious Thu 09-Jan-14 14:17:46

Calling off the fast for today. Too miserable to continue, and decided to take advantage of this WOL's flexibility. It's been a 16:8 with over an hours exercise so still not too shabby.
I wish I liked soup, I think that's what pushed me over the edge! I have homemade soup for lunch and I thought I'd cry if I had to eat it, drama llama heregrin

TheRaniOfYawn Thu 09-Jan-14 14:23:57

zzz, it sounds as though you might have a lot if muscle. I am 5 foot 6 so a lot shorter than you and when I was a size 18 I weighed under 180lb. In your situation, I think that scales might not be all that appropriate for goal setting. Body fat measured properly, or waist circumference might be a better thing to consider because it sounds as though you would have a high BMI even when slim.

123rd Thu 09-Jan-14 14:36:24

Great minds think alike erol!
Zzzzz everyone says its better to lose the weight slower and it stays off. But I know its shit if you want results that you can notice.
Is everyone weighing themselves? I don't own scales and they don't have them at the gym so I could pop to boots or somewhere but I'm going on "wobbly" factorwink when my bum doesn't wobble whilst I brush my teeth I will be a happy girl!

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 14:42:46

Errol black sugarless tea and coffee are free. Too low to count.

ZZZ now! You can't sue me or whatevs if this doesn't happen!...but...... I think largely (excuse pun wink ) the more you have to lose, the quicker it comes off at the start, so I doubt you will only see 1lb every week.

I started 5:2 with 4 stone to lose. In 3mths I'd lost 1st stone. First 5lbs came off in 3fd (I started on a thurs and didn't weigh til following fri - my usual weigh day). Since then it has been either -1lb, stall (still success), or occasionally after a stall I would lose a couple. But that is still a stone! And it goes so quickly once you're into it. At least it's January, imagine how much difference you could make by spring let alone summer??!!

Just go for it woman! We're all right behind you. At least you are on right road now. DON'T get off it!

Take all of your measurements NOW!!! You will shrink much faster than the scales say.

Chin up girl! Blow your nose or you'll end up with shiny cheeks grin and just get through one week at a time.

(gets out megaphone)... YOU CAN DO THIS!

thanks thanks

Eatriskier Thu 09-Jan-14 14:45:27

zed

don't panic. everyone here is making very good points.

when I started this I was 209lb with a BMI of 35, and I was busting out of size 20s! So the fact you're in 18s is to your benefit.

1lb a week is an average and its more common for obese and overweight people to lose quicker. So whilst everyone says you may only lose at that rate, its so people don't think its some massive quick fix.

This is meant to be slow and sustainable and you will learn through doing this the tools you need to keep that weight off once you have lost it. That is really a million times better than losing the weight very quickly then just as quickly regaining it and more because you have leant nothing.

Also, until you try you will never know if you're a tortoise or a sprinter.

And, as rani says scales are not the be all and end all. Definitely take your measurements around waist and hips (and other places like thighs and arms if you want). The times you don't see much movement on the scales you may see big movements there.

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 14:46:47

123 I only weighed myself this once to calculate my Total Daily Energy Expenditure thingy, I think you have to get that right in order to work out how much to eat on non fasting days, (if you eat too little, like a low cal/crash diet, your body goes into starvation mode and you don't lose consistently and feel deprived and eat entire cheeses for a snack, and if you go way above over the course of a week, even with two fasts, you won't lose either. So I think you gotta weigh yourself once!)

But I'm going with 4 pairs of descending jeans instead of scales (may pop back to the doc's waiting room scales in 6wks or so if I feel brave)...have just got size 16 jeans out and tried 'em on...not even ONTO bum...so a fair few fasts before I try those on again!

Thanks for all the support gals.

TheBitchesOfWeestick Thu 09-Jan-14 14:46:54

Five pages already? I'll never keep up. Still, all that typing must burn a few calories...right?

I can feel myself leaning towards becoming a zealot about this way of eating. NFD today and I'm doing fine, not especially hungry at all. Had a big bowl of porridge for breakfast, packet of Monster Munch on the way to soft play, slice of quiche en route to town, cheese salad sandwich with mustard and mayo just now. Feel quite stuffed and still have over 1000 cals to play with thanks to the several hours of walking with toddler in pushchair that I've done so far today.

One of the best things about this for me, so far (and I'm genuinely sorry for the overshare here), is the massive reduction in farting! All last year I had bad bouts of bloating, wind and just felt like such a disgusting human being. This week, I feel like my normal self again smile smile smile I hadn't thought much about the resting your digestion aspect of 5:2, but it's a total bonus.

Off to do school run, but here's my stats before I forget (again):

Height: 5'3"
Weight: 10st7 I think (scales are a bit rubbish)
BMI: 26
TDEE: 1800ish

Goal is to reach at least 9st5 - I used to be 8-8.5st as a young whippersnapper, but not sure that would look so good on me these days. My weight naturally went down to 9-9.5st after DD was born and it was a good fit, so something around there would be nice smile

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 14:48:06

>Errol black sugarless tea and coffee are free. Too low to count.
Yes, I know.... but disgusting IMO.grin I need a decent amount of milk, more than a 'splash'. A bit envy of people who can take their drinks black!

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 14:51:40

zzz - the jeans sound like a great way to see your progress! Meanwhile you've probably expelled a few ounces of snot ... though that's probably not the ideal way to lose weight.

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 14:53:32

Oh thanks so much everyone...good to know there were a couple of +200lbs who've had success...had no idea I was even IN that shite club! Have mopped up snot and got the babies up from naps and my wee boy just said 'you're pretty mummy...do you want my car?' more snot!!!

Still scared of the 2264cals, not that I mind eating it! Just used to crappy 1200 diets...should I really eat that much??? Will I cock it up/start starvation if I eat 1800 say?

BsshBossh Thu 09-Jan-14 14:53:52

zedzed well done for braving the scales and realising you can eat loads and still lose weight smile If it's any consolation, Feb 2012 I had a BMI of 36; nearly 2 years later (2 years that whizzed by!) I have a BMI of 21. My photos (though not yet updated) are in my profile. And it took eatriskier less than a year to lose her 80 lbs. You can do it.

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 14:59:47

WOW! Bsssh You look hot-hot-hot, you must be so proud of yourself. Yes, I think I look about your size now or just a tad slimmer (on the left one, natch) soooo good to see what you've achieved...and I already stalked eatriskier yesterday...when I thought I too 'only' had 80lbs to lose. Amazing accomplishments! Thanks.

NotAsTired Thu 09-Jan-14 15:00:17

OK, I'm back after having had a good long break. I think I last contributed on thread 30? I didn't manage any 5:2 since end of November but I have done lots of 16:8s.

First fast day of the year today. Not doing too badly, lots of water and a couple of mugs of tea.

ImABadGirl Thu 09-Jan-14 15:02:38

eat day for me today and I've had jacket spud with beans and having chicken fajitas for tea, also had 2 roses chocolates from the tin at work (normally would have had a huge handful) this woe has really shown me portion control, banana for snack earlier.

Might try a 24 hours fast tomorrow depending on how I'm feeling, I really do think eating triggers my want to stuff as much in me as possible as I don't feel hungry until I eat on fast days...

madhairday Thu 09-Jan-14 15:22:18

I'd like to join if that's OK?

I started the 5:2 on Monday and fasted Monday and today (although not doing so well as ill and need some energy). My downfall is carbs. I'm veggie and really struggle with low carb meals. I like a big stir fry veg meal but like noodles/rice with it...find it hard to find good recipes for a veggie trying to go lower on carbs.

Do you low carb all the time or just on fast days?

I also struggle with exercise due to disability, but weight has gone up a lot lately and am determined to get it back down again.

RavenousRunner Thu 09-Jan-14 15:22:39

Harder to subsist on hot drinks when there's a tin full of lovely shortbread in the office kitchen...I'm going to have one tomorrow. Plus have treats planned for weekend - dinner out and party on Saturday, doing Greek-style goat roast on Sunday, making rice krispy squares with younger son (and then sending them off with him to a friend's so I can only have a few!). Long run scheduled so it shouldn't do too much damage before Monday's FD.

I can have it tomorrow is my supreme mantra now!

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 15:30:27

Sorry Errol thought you meant basic cals! All depends on how milky/sweet you like it really! I have small tsp sugar in my BLACK coffee so I count each one as 15 cals. 3 of them a day's my limit. Get caffeine rage otherwise! grin

Weigh out one mugs worth of tea/coffee milk - stare at it so you burn the image to your eyeballs, work out cals, then you'll never need to measure again! Same for sugar.

Saves faffing with measuring total allowances out each day.

Vague recollection of my size mug tea with milk and sugar being 30 cals.

Then again, since starting this I have managed to ditch the milk in my coffee and have shaved quantities off my sugar gradually.

Oh and please NO apologising for oversharing people!!
We love a good overshare round these parts makes rest of us feel better about ours wink

Can NEVER share enough!!!! grin

Dotty342kids Thu 09-Jan-14 15:32:17

Hey there zedzedzed just want to join in the encouragement. It's horrid when you suddenly have the moment of "oh god, do I really weigh that much / look like that" and we've all been there!

I've lost 16lbs in just under a year and it really doesn't feel like a year! This way of eating is so sustainable and so comfortable that the time whizzes past and you won't feel like you're on a diet, as with so many other things you (and we) have probably tried in the past.

Who was it said about the farting? Well I never had that particular problem grin but certainly experience less "bloat" now that I'm a regular faster. It's as though my body just needs those breaks from food to resettle and empty itself. Over Christmas the dreaded bloat definitely returned and it was horrid.
The temporary hunger of fast days plus the satisfaction of eating your 500 cals is sooooo much nicer smile

I weighed in and lost 3lb am I allowed to say I expected more

Third fast day today and I could eat my arm! I've worked out I've been eating too many calories I worked out TDEE as 1970 but should be 1900 which over 5 days has added up.

Onwards and upwards I say, enjoying it so far as I know I can eat well tomorrow x

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 15:59:00

Hey, what the Hell happened here...I did some snotty/self-pitying hoovering, I come back and we're on farts?? I'm shocked and appalled.

And fat.

Did I mention that already? POOR ME! I ATE ALL THE PIES!

Am now going to add up all today's cals and work out what my TDEE of 2264 cals looks like, meal-wise. Anyone think that I could eat less than my TDEE without triggering famine mode? Or is alternate day fasting better? Um...quicker? Panicking about the two years it'll take me to get skinny? Who me? FAAAAART!

ImABadGirl Thu 09-Jan-14 16:05:11

zed I'm doing ADF and am finding it ok but then I'm an all or nothing person, I eat my TDEE on eat days and find if I have cals left over I have a piece of fruit, my TDEE is 1977 so not much lower than yours

<whispers> I even have chocolate on eat days grin

Eatriskier Thu 09-Jan-14 16:05:53

zed I quite often didn't eat TDEE whilst I was losing, but then I also wasn't too far from it (within 100-200). This still meant I had a very large difference between FD and NFD. As my weight dropped and my TDEE dropped the deficit did disappear somewhat obviously! Don't eat if you're not hungry but don't deprive yourself either. And remember its an average thing over a week, so where you may find yourself not wanting to eat near TDEE one day you may find yourself wanting something extra on another one, and it will probably average out.

Ok people, talk to me about eggs. I can't remember the last time I have eaten an egg (as I am very fussy) unless is came in cake form. But I'm getting intrigued by them now. Anyone able to describe the taste to me?

zed some people do lose quite quickly on 5:2, I was 14 stone when I started and lost fast. It will happen eventually.

I'm feeling bloated and horrid as my period is overdue (no chance I'm pregnant though!). I'm having a FD despite that, and despite having a really really busy evening tonight. I normally go to bed early on FDs. Feeling a bit grumpy about my 10stone 7 plateau, it's been a few weeks now.

Can people bombard me with their best plateau busting tips?

madhairday I low carb most of the time, but it absolutely isn't compulsory. I do it because grains make me bloated, so I feel better when I don't eat them/eat them rarely.

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 16:07:40

shygirlie Black tea/black coffee/herbal teas - zero calories smile

Dotty342kids Thu 09-Jan-14 16:08:07

zed advise starting off with 5:2, you can always up to 4:3 if you ever plateau! And if you're really scared about eating up to your TDEE then I reckon you could aim for 2000 and that way there's a little bit of leeway for extra things if needed but your body won't suddenly think "I'm starving" and cling on to every last calorie either. ...

TalkinPeace Thu 09-Jan-14 16:18:20

Golly gosh. Lots of newcomers. Welcome.

A weekly thought on how to plan meals including fast days .....

Monday : 500 calories
Tuesday : TDEE less 10%
Wednesday : TDEE less 10%
Thursday : 500 calories
Friday : TDEE
Saturday : whatever you fancy but in the region of TDEE (wine is often involved)
Sunday : TDEE

the two batches of "less 10%" make the saturday guilt free

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 16:19:20

Ok. Ok. Stop panicking. See how it goes on 5:2 at 2000, maybe do 4:3 if it's just not happening. Got it. Gotta be better than repellent SlimShite or Fat-free-Fecking-Flavourless-Life or Wait and Watch or whatever.

God, thanks so much everyone, thank God I found 5:2 and this thread before I weighed-in or I'd be standing on a precipice over a gully of fondue right now. <3

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 16:26:26

Zed I reckon you'll lose quickly to start with so don't stress about the time factor 1lb a week average. I started out 2 and a bit years ago at BMI 36, now I'm at 23 - the thing is the weight will come off and you never look back because you'll have all the tools to keep it off. It won't be like all the other times you've lost and gained again. If you keep up with it then it never needs to go back on.

I think aiming for 2000 on nfds sounds sensible too.

We're all here with you and will be cheering you on all the way smile

The support on these threads doesn't waver - and as you can see it's busy! There's usually someone around.

Plus you're already really great at fasting! You're already on your way.

frenchfancy Thu 09-Jan-14 16:27:50

madhairday I don't avoid all carbs on fast days, though I tend to steer clear of pasta and rice. I sometimes have beans on toast for my dinner. I tend to have a bean chilli wrapped in a tortilla, or a stew with sweet potatoes and butternut squash. Potatoes are good too, I think it is unfair that they are lumped in with carbs all the time. They are a vegetable after all. I for one do not find that eating potatoes in a curry for instance makes me hungrier, I find they fill be up nicely. The real secret to potatoes is make sure you weigh them. You cannot trust a recipe that gives you a calorie content based on one large potato. Large could mean anything.

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 16:28:41

Exactly! No tasteless fake shite zed - all good stuff and treats if you fancy 5 days a week smile

frenchfancy Thu 09-Jan-14 16:31:39

eatriskier I can't believe you don't know what an egg tastes like. I can't really describe is as it tastes like, well an egg.

My advice would be to try a little scrambled egg, cooked in butter. Do not over cook it though, just keep stiring it until the texture starts to change, then take it off the heat and stir a bit more. Dried out egg is a bit rubbery.

I don't really eat eggs much on fast days, as i think they taste best cooked in butter or slathered in mayonnaise.

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 16:34:31

(Oops, misremembered - was BMI 31 blush )

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 16:40:18

eatriskier wins the prize for most random/impossible to answer question of the day!

Describe what an egg tastes like

Egg tastes like egg, nothing else tastes like an egg except another egg. It's texture can be anything from fluffy to silky-like to dry and crumbly depending on how you cook it.

Perhaps try an omelette? Do you like melted cheese? Sprinkle some cheese on the omelette while it's cooking.

Oh damn, making myself hungry!

TDEEs are NOT set in stone - they are rough estimations. The actual amount you burn each day differs wildly.

So, Mummytowillow, 70 cals difference is neither here nor there. You wont be able to weigh out and eat foods to that level of accuracy.

ZZZ start with 2000 if that makes more sense to you. And take your time. Give it a month before assessing.

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 16:48:16

Oh Thursday, sometimes you are a hard fast day - been too 'good' this week so now I'm hungry hungry hungry!

Only 1hr15 minutes till supper smile

I usually end up going over a bit 500 on Thursdays (not that I actually calorie count properly, but it's usually more than my Monday version.)

My lunch soup was not of the low calorie variety either - plenty of chicken stock and untrimmed bacon went into it.

Some days are just harder than others, even though I've been doing this for a year! (nearly!)

Eatriskier Thu 09-Jan-14 16:58:47

Have I broken the internet with that question? Genuinely I don't remember what they taste like, just that I didn't like them. Having said that I didn't like most things and now i have killed my taste buds with booze I can tolerate and even like some things! I think I shall try some scrambled at some point, and if I still don't like I'll palm it off on DD who is a veritable dustbin!

TalkinPeace Thu 09-Jan-14 17:06:11

eatriskier
you like eggs in cake,
what about in cooked dishes like egg fried rice or soufle or pasta carbonara?
scrambled is the easiest to start ....
fave NFD weeknight supper ..
www.deliaonline.com/recipes/main-ingredient/eggs/macaroni-carbonara.html

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 17:17:29

eatriskier Um...why don't you know what eggs taste like??

You know that sulphurous bad fart eggy smell? Well they DON't taste like that. Poached softly in swirling hot water, on brown toast with butter and seasalt...yum. The yolks taste like meatless protein, very intensely creamy and slightly burnt flavour.

Have added today's careful but yummy cals (before I knew I had 2264 to play with, or 2000 if I'm saving 10% for wknd booze) So my marmitey toast brekkie, chicken salad sarnie, coffees, hot choc and including potential dinner of steak, mushroom (cooked in butter!) peashoot salad, yoghurt pud and a whiskey...I'd still have 550 left of 2000. That's mad.

Chocolate buttons it is then!

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 17:18:55

betsy shucks, thanks! Wow, well done you. God that better be me in a year.

Eatriskier Thu 09-Jan-14 17:22:49

Good point tip I do have egg fried rice from time to time, so they can't be horrendous! I've probably had them in other dishes too without properly realising it.

zed I haven't had them since I was a kid. A long long time ago in a universe far far away. And they're one of those things I haven't gotten round to re-trying as an adult.

I'm getting more adventurous in my old age wink

Eatriskier Thu 09-Jan-14 17:23:51

And of course I mean I've not had an egg on its own other than cooked in something since I was a child. Otherwise those two sentences complete contradict each other!

RavenousRunner Thu 09-Jan-14 17:27:50

I love boiled eggs done only for about 5 minutes, so they're set but not all chalky and dry (the way my mum made them - she boiled them for 15 minutes!), with Maldon and lots of pepper. It's the only kind of just-egg egg my sons will eat, and they can both put away 3 at one go if I don't stop them. It's worth getting nice organic ones if you're eating them plain, they have lovely orange yolks and are just that bit yummier - maybe because they're fresher?

I really want a boiled egg now...more water. I have to go to the loo every 30 minutes, hope my supervisor doesn't think I have a UTI (or that I'm snorting cocaine).

spilsons Thu 09-Jan-14 17:29:35

Hello again everyone,

Second FD today- banana for breakfast, slimasoup with 3 crackerbreads for lunch and a low fat ready meal (280 cal) for dinner. Actually feeling fine! peckish but not as desperate as my first fast day!

zedzedzed i was shocked too when i saw my scales- i had double the amount i thought i needed to lose! but any loss is better than a gain, and i am feeling so good after only 2 FDs! I find the day after my FD i feel super alert- its great. I have also started gillian mitchells 30 day shred DVD- i am so so so unfit so it is killing me (not doing it on FDs) but I have heard great reviews from friends and that it really helps to boost weight loss (as well as toning up!) Its only 20 mins per session so I have no excuse not to do it when I get in from work before dinner!

Hope you are all doing well and the scales are heading in the right direction!

xx

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 17:30:13

ravenous Cocaine...how many cals please?

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 17:31:00

Nevermind My Fitness Pal told me. Will sprinkle some in my miso next FD!

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 17:31:21

Eatriskier, my DH loves eggs but only if they're really fresh, good ones (I think he hypersensitized himself to hydrogen sulphide doing 'stinks' in his garage as a boy!) - he really can taste the difference in eggs that seem perfectly OK to me. So don't buy a box and then leave them for a week before trying, in case you're like this. smile

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 17:34:32

Spilson - if you want some support on the Shred, come on over here. smile

RavenousRunner Thu 09-Jan-14 17:37:37

zzz the loo is a good three minute walk, so I figure I'm burning a few extra even without the magic powder wink

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 17:38:58

I've had to boil some eggs to go in mine and DH's fast day salad!

peanutbutterandbanana Thu 09-Jan-14 17:42:59

Hello All, jumping in here as am giving 5:2 a go as had shock of my life when I went on scales yesterday after months avoiding them.
I am using MFP to help me keep on track. I am on my first FD today and feel fine. However, I read somewhere on MN about having a 16 hour fast, so I was clear of food between 7pm last night and 11am today. Can someone please explain to me what the 16 hour fast is all about?

Thank you smile

positively9something Thu 09-Jan-14 17:51:20

Fast day today And I have already had over 600 cals hmmhmm

I've been eating like crazy all week and it's tom I should probably go to bed now so I can't eat any more. confused

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 17:53:32

If you've got a sedentary job, getting up every half hour is really good for you... I should drink more just to force me to do it.

ShyGirlie Thu 09-Jan-14 17:56:13

Thank you erroll!

I thought that's what you meant, but just checking it wasn't something fancy and crucial to the diet that I hadn't heard of!

Is soup better than porridge at lunch time then? Would it be ok just to use shop bought soup e.g. Covent garden or similar - is it only a matter of reading the calories on the packet ? Would save me a lot of faffing around making soup, weighing everything etc!

Pleased with how I got on today, first ever FD! Again, thank you for tip to eat at lunch and dinner instead of breakfast, really don't think I could have managed afternoon stretch otherwise!

Just about to start getting chicken stir fry ready now!

Reading all of this thread carefully to make sure I'm doing it right.

Anticipating eating whatever I fancy tomorrow, guilt free! smile

BsshBossh Thu 09-Jan-14 18:01:05

ShyGirlie New Covent Garden soup is fine. Waitrose Love Life ones are yummy too.

bumbumsmummy Thu 09-Jan-14 18:06:47

Marking place second fast this week doing 5:2

I've just eaten a 315kcal chilli ready meal and its made me sick this is new to me any ideas

TalkinPeace Thu 09-Jan-14 18:17:44

peanutbutter
Can someone please explain to me what the 16 hour fast is all about?
Its about giving your digestion a break and forcing it to draw on reserves rather than a constant stream of new food.
Its about teaching your insulin regulation system to do its job properly.

bumbum
I've just eaten a 315kcal chilli ready meal and its made me sick this is new to me any ideas
how long had you fasted for beforehand?
is it a meal you are familiar with?
how much had you drunk in the hours beforehand?
it may be unconnected

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 18:26:12

EatRisky - you really should get in on the egg action. If nothing else because they are the best hangover food! Something in the yolks apparently!

Looks like my fd could come in under 50 cals for first time ever! Hadn't intended it to. In fact was going to change my fd to tmw.

But now, on account of feeling like shite I am off to Bedfordshire with dd for an early night of stories followed by sleep hopefully.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 18:44:16

madhairday - welcome.

ZZZ - you remind me so much of my posts when I first started. Obviously I am an expert now losing weight by the second and gaining health benefits constantly hmmgrin. I have lost almost a stone but am currently stuck. Boo.

ELR Thu 09-Jan-14 19:02:59

Wow finally got to the end!! Clicked on thread 34 a few hours ago and saw new thread so clicked on that and it was on pg 3 every time I reached the end of a page there was another, but finally made it!!
Welcome all newcomers ZZZ you are def in the right place those ponds will be gone before you know it. Whoever over shared made me spit my tea out, so keep the over shares coming it really brightens the day.
toffee Ive been having a blue day today too! really just wanted to eat a big fat cake but resisted and I'm so pleased I did.
betsy I know what you mean about Thursday fast being not quite as controlled as the Monday one, think I've finished on around 700 today but trying not to let that bother me too much.
Roll on tomorrow for normal eating day and weigh in, off for a lovely wRm bath now.

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 19:11:43

Ha toffee really? How long have you been doing this?

Chin up, Zed, you've come to absolutely the right place. Bags of support, expert advice.

Something else to help your health: our 5:2 exercise thread has walking exercises etc for beginners with high BMI or other issues; it's not just for gym bunnies. Pop over and see us sometime.

We're all rooting for you !

Very rarely do we get flabbergasted by a question, so congrats to Eat - you managed it, chum !
NFD eggs taste best fried, with the white firm, the yolk slightly runny. Of course, a fried egg or 2 or 3 should be accompanied by their DPs: fried bacon, mushrooms, toms, wholegrain toast.
Eggs are such a high quality protein that they are the "gold standard" against which all others are measured. Go to work on an egg !

DontBeBlueBeARainbow Thu 09-Jan-14 19:28:24

FD3 and urghhhhhhhhhh, feeling pretty sorry for myself.

Waiting for DH to come back and have dinner together a bit later, so am hungry! Got to the gym and did 10 minutes of abs class but then absolutely couldn't face the treadmill (keen runner!), so came home sad

Also putting undue pressure on myself for tomorrow's weigh-in at office fat club. Just want a good result after 3 FDs... It also means I have wait to have breakfast at work, when on the last two fast days I was up an hour early to cook myself a yummy breakfast.

eatriskier do you eat pinenuts? Because I personally think pinenuts have an eggy taste! or am I just telling myself that because I don't have eggs on my salad now I'm vegan?

NotAsTired Thu 09-Jan-14 19:28:45

eatriskier I haven't eaten eggs in their pure form a long time too, but not quite since childhood. I get really bad stomachache after I eat them in pure form. Sometimes, also with cakes and other eggy things like egg fried rice or pancakes.

If you haven't eaten them for a long time, eggs can taste/smell really strong. Like others have said, soft boiled eggs are probably the way to go. Good luck!

Tip Thanks for the Carbonara recipe, that actually looks sufficiently simple to be BigChoc-proof.

Cuckoo So good to have the 2nd half of our double act return.
Gimme a CLENCH !
smile
MrsF says she has bought guinea pigs and trained them to guard the choc stores on her cellar.
Well, I know venison with chocolate goes well.
With your creative gastronomic talents, what would be your recipe for roast guinea pig with chocolate ?

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 19:32:59

ELR I've been picking away at nuts and seeds and berries, oh and 2 crackers with butter blush while clearing the kitchen. Frankly I'll be lucky if I come in at under 1000 today. Ah well. <blows raspberry at today>

mscnile Thu 09-Jan-14 19:34:25

Nearly 200 posts before I even get here, you guys talk too much!

NFD here, been a bit of a pig, club sandwich and fries for lunch (employer paying, seemed rude to refuse!) plus a couple of biscuits and now wine but still around TDEE so it'll do.

Need to catch up with y'all now...

mscnile Thu 09-Jan-14 19:36:00

Incidentally, the lunch made me feel really ill afterwards so I won't be doing it again <reformed character>

BsshBossh Thu 09-Jan-14 19:37:45

Toffee do you always get stuck on your current weight? My average adult weight is around 11.5 stones - that's the weight I've most constantly been for the longest part of my adult life. Last year, after having lost a good amount of weight, I stalled for 4 whole months. Guess what weight I stalled at? Yep, 168 lbs or 12 stones. It's like my body reached that weight and thought "Hello familiar weight, it's comfortable here; think I'll stick around here for a while!" It must have been my body's setpoint weight. I didn't change a thing, just carried on dieting my usual way (this was pre-5:2) and after 4 months I suddenly lost 2 lbs.

madhairday Thu 09-Jan-14 19:39:55

Thanks for the welcome and advice re low carbing - this is going to be so helpful and inspiring.

I have 1.5 stone to lose, decided it was getting daft when my jeans wouldn't do up after christmas blush

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 19:39:55

>what would be your recipe for roast guinea pig with chocolate ?
I bet somewhere in the pre-Colombian south/central American civilizations they would have had some.

AngieM2 Thu 09-Jan-14 19:43:25

Can I run this by the experts? I'm post nights, last ate 4am, just caved and had a homemade carrot and chilli soup (85 cal). Doing spin tomorrow morning and not planning to eat until about 1pm so thats about 33 hours on 85 calls. That's a perfectly respectable fast isn't it? And can you count this soup as a LOF as it's well whizzed down/puréed? PS to the newbies....I drink about 5 cups of tea on a FD and never count my skimmed milk as it's tiny (ok, maybe I'm cheating!)

mscnile Thu 09-Jan-14 19:43:30

I think the Romans ate guinea pigs too. I think thyme and lemon would be good.

HandMini Thu 09-Jan-14 19:44:27

Hi all, I just started the 5:2 as a New Years resolution, and have managed 3 FDs so far - I'm aiming for Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Any good ideas for what is most filling?

So far I've been doing porridge or an apple for breakfast, cup a soup for lunch and some kind of veg stir fry or soup for supper. Does this sound ok?

What is everyone's opinion on the zero noodles? Apparently only 8cal a pack.

And what are the best low cal ready meals....I think I might switch to a ready meal in the evenings if I can afford the calories.

HandMini Thu 09-Jan-14 19:45:29

Angie, glad to hear it on the tea. I've been drinking 5 (big) cups a day - 3 herbal and 2 real with skimmed milk.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Thu 09-Jan-14 19:46:29

How is the new thread up to page seven already? Crikey we talk a lot.

Haven't read through the thread yet but will look once dd is asleep. NFD for me and have spent the day making chocolate orange cup cakes with dd. Seriously calorie laden day (cupcakes have a ganache topping) but had lots of fun.

Weighed myself, when I started in the new year I was 11 stone 10.5 now I am 11 stone 7.5. So not too bad so far.

right I'm off to read the rest of the thread

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 19:49:15

> think the Romans ate guinea pigs too
can't have, they're from the Andes - none available prior to 1492. It was dormice that the Romans ate.

mscnile Thu 09-Jan-14 19:54:34

Ahh that's it Errol, I had a vague primary school memory!

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 19:55:43

Handmini, I tend to think not so much in terms of what's 'filling' as of what will be less likely to make me hungry later on. It's not quite the same thing - carbs are 'filling' at the time but don't keep the hunger at bay as well as other things. Everyone varies - what works for me is to not eat in the morning and then either a very light soup or an apple at lunchtime, and then a meal with a reasonable amount of protein and a lot of veg in the evening. Tonight was a Sainsbo's BGTY thai curry with a pile of extra spinach.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Thu 09-Jan-14 20:04:00

Thanks for the new thread Betsy

FD tomorrow for me.

Have eaten too much today (2 large meals) but still kept to 16:8.

frenchfancy Thu 09-Jan-14 20:04:20

handmini that sounds fine, but you may find that you would be less hungry if you skipped the porridge/apple in the morning. I know it sounds counter intuitive, and every diet you have ever been on has told you you HAVE to eat breakfast, but there it is. Those of us who have been doing this a while (I've been on 5:2 for 1yr and 4mths) have in general found the longer you hold off from eating the easier it becomes. Yes you may be unbearably hungry at 8:30am but if you hold off the you find by 9am that feeling has gone away and doesn't come back again until maybe 11:45am. By not using up your calories at breakfast it means you can have a bigger evening meal to avoid going to bed hungry, and it means you give your body longer in a true fast which helps with the health benefits (16 hours is where you start seeing some true benefits, improving up to 24 hours).

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 20:07:24

Do many of you do 2 (or 3) FDs which are in the 16:8 pattern and also try to do 16:8 on the NFDs?

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 20:09:43

Righto!

Am not on full power at mo as am in bed with a servere case of the arse Jan blues or is it just my chocked up life ......

But first thoughts are....I'm thinking....you're a woman with simple tastes - none of that poncey rich stuff - you lurrve choc (and have access to extra now you're in MrsF's cellar, so.....can only be one thing.....

Melt in middle Guinea Pig.

We'll inject chocolate up its bum, then smear it with nut butter and a sprinkle of sea salt, before roasting to get ourselves a nice bit of crackling too.

Optional: serve with a peanut butter jus/coulis

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 20:12:59

Note: recipes involving small rodents are not a necessary part of the 5:2 diet. Though I suppose they might put some of you off your grub...grin

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 20:14:57

Vom, vom, vom Cuckoo! Actually...I bet you salted caramel piggie tastes GOOD!

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 20:19:40

(hmm)

bumbumsmummy Thu 09-Jan-14 20:20:07

Talkinpeace

Have to admit its new to me I just wanted the calorie counting to be done for me as this is my first week

But if I'm honest I think I'm not drinking enough two cups of peppermint tea

I've got the fast diet books and cook books need to menu plan and cook fresh next week I think is that better then ready meals ?

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 20:20:07

hmm

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 20:20:32

Sorry, just working out the smileys!

kirlou69 Thu 09-Jan-14 20:23:48

We DID it, survived our first fast day 7pm til 7pm with only 500 calories. We had porridge in the morning, I drank black coffee and water, daughter stuck to water and one diet coke. Just ate a plate of stir fry and singapore noodles and plum/soy sauce all from M&S - it tasted amazing! Now both feeling full and satisfied and looking forward to breakfast tomorrow morning. grin

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 20:23:54

Pity it's just guinea pigs (sigh)....

Always wanted to have a crack at a Guinsterbil...

Gerbil inside a hamster inside a guinea pig. Would've had choc layered between each. Oh well!

Have had little more time to think .... I think we could go bit more technical but keeping it real too for you..

Would bone the gp (tut tut!), lay it out.

Cover it in thick layer of rice pudding, then put a long sausage of ganache type choc in middle, roll it back up and secure with string. Roast in oven. Allow to cool. Stick a cadbury's creme egg in its gob for presentation.

To serve cut into slices. Et voila!

Mumraathenoisylion Thu 09-Jan-14 20:39:05

Hello! I've just done my second fast day (tried in a row, failed miserably) and might hang around here for some tips and advice if that's ok? My main motivation is to help dh stick to it and lose weight and for me to lose around a stone and I'm interested in the health benefits.

I am not a morning eater and so started the day with lunch at 12.30. I made dh and I a miso soup with spring greens, beansprouts, shiitake mushrooms and carrots. It was quite yummy and very low calorie - 117. I can post recipe if needed.

This afternoon I went out as i struggle being at home when fasting and tonight I made quorn chilli which was surprisingly filling.

My only issue is the dull headache I've got. Any ideas on how to get rid of ot?

TalkinPeace Thu 09-Jan-14 20:42:09

bumbum
two cups of tea is nowhere near enough
I have about 4 pints of tea and two pints of water on a fast day
ready meals / fast slap up suppers : depends on mood

tonight was a pot of soup, a slice of bread and a banana
but I was mainlining tea as I was working this afternoon. (TiP luffs caffeine)

Bigchoc
There is a wonderful old Delia book called Frugal food ....
the other recipe in it ( definitely for an NFD ) is called

Eggs Alpine
preheat the oven
get a gratin dish and smear butter around it a bit
grate 50g of cheddar cheese per person into it
smooth the cheeses down and sprinkle on a few herbs
crack into the dish three eggs per person - trying not to let the yolks break.
grate another 50g of cheese per person over the top
salt and pepper
into the oven until the cheese is bubbling and it does not wobble if moved slightly (so the eggs are solid)
serve with a hunk of bread
calorific bomb but so, so good
DH and I used to eat it when I walked 4 miles to and from work every day in Dover.

TalkinPeace Thu 09-Jan-14 20:42:49

Mumra
dull headache : drink more water
whole pint at a time

DottiestDoris Thu 09-Jan-14 21:05:13

Evening all! Am preparing for my second fd tomorrow and feeling half excited at the prospect of shifting some weight, but half terrified as I felt so bloomin ill with it on Monday. But, I'm hoping it can't be any harder, and as im bf I'm going to allow 1000kcal if needed instead of the 750 I stuck to on fd1.
DH is donning his hard hat. It does seem to make me so grumpy angry

ShyGirlie Thu 09-Jan-14 21:06:08

Sorry, MORE questions from me!!

- what is miso soup? I see a lot of people talking about it! Can you buy it, or is it a recipe? Is it good for FD?

- still relying heavily on the book, but also trying to use MFP to keep track of calories on FD. However, I'm noticing quite a difference in the calories between these two for the same portion sizes?!? Eg porridge oats, tangerines etc. Which one should I stick to?!?

Think I did ok for first FD

LUNCH - 40g porridge (160 cal)

DINNER - chicken stir fry (258 cal) , 145g blueberries (37 cal)

SNACK AFTER DINNER - small satsuma (18 cal), no sugar jelly pot (6 cal)

Have been drinking a load of water, fruit teas (are theses free?!?)

Been a little bit hungry, but manageable.

Now on to NFD until Monday!

Mumraathenoisylion Thu 09-Jan-14 21:09:56

This is the miso soup recipe I used, it seems great for a fd miso broth

I drank two litres of water today, 5 herbal teas and two pints of carbonated water....I'm not sure how much more I can drink but I will try on my next fd.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 21:14:44

Mumra - that sounds like enough liquid TBH. Do you normally drink tea or coffee? If so, do have it on FDs as well, you don't need caffeine withdrawal!

ErrolTheDragon Thu 09-Jan-14 21:18:09

I just had one of these sachets in boiling water - no extra stuff, for a princely 18 cals. (got it from sainsbos, not online!). I think that's the one ... it had tiny pieces of seaweed not like that picture.

BsshBossh Thu 09-Jan-14 21:23:51

Fat burning kicks in after 12-18 hours of fasting according to a recent interview with Drs Mattson, Mosley and Longo - the IF guys!. So if you can hold off eating to around that period you'll start burning body fat more quickly.

Successful FD for me today. Broke my fast earlier than usual at 5pm (20 hours) with a banana as I felt really weak and still had two more hours until DD's bedtime. Have now also had a bowl of pea and ham soup. Delicious. Now 3 NFDs in a row - whoop!

MorrisZapp Thu 09-Jan-14 21:35:17

I have a question too! (Waves hand)

Once we reach target weight, logic would suggest we can eat tdee every day and stay the same? If not then tdee isn't really tdee?

Hope this makes sense.

CJMommy Thu 09-Jan-14 21:35:58

Ok so nearly at the end of second FD and have had 548 cals which included a delicious sirloin steak and salad for tea smile. I am feeling hungry now and would happily eat my arm. However, off to bed instead!

Having difficulty keeping up with this thread as it moves so fast but will do my best!

Looking forward to my NFD tomorrow!

TalkinPeace Thu 09-Jan-14 21:43:08

Morrisszap
I hit target weight a year ago
I still fast because my TDEE is now very low
so to enjoy wine at the weekend I fast in the week

BobPatSamandIgglePiggle Thu 09-Jan-14 21:45:00

I have a question - when does nfd kick in?

Just done 2nd fd - had dinner at 7.30 last night, lemon water all day then dinner (grilled chicken breast, a few oven chips (naughty?? But had nothing else in) and some leftover salad)

What time do you start nfd? Do i have nothing else tonight then start nfd tomorrow?

First fd on Tuesday was totally easy - today I've though about food more but not bad and feel great.

I'm too lazy to mess on with calorie counting during the day so think fasting straight through is better for me. Going to investigate the miso soup though!

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 21:48:24

nfd starts tomorrow bobPat

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 21:48:47

Oh and well done on a great fast day!

Mumraathenoisylion Thu 09-Jan-14 21:50:08

I only drink decaf tea so definitely not caffeine withdrawal. I just read an interesting article about how it may be linked to low blood sugar levels and my body needs a little more time to adjust but after two fasts the headache should fade. Fingers crossed for the next fd.

MrsFlorrick Thu 09-Jan-14 22:05:45

Just checking in.

This thread is mega busy grin I do love the chat here and the support. thanks To you all.

Not fully up on thread yet.

Impromptu mini fast here. Not intended but I was 16:8 so no breakfast. And I forgot lunch as was busy with guinea pigs laundry and rearranging some lounge furniture.

Dinner was a 275 cal Waitrose spinach cannelloni. And a handful of almonds. All in at 700 cals.

Just as well as DH and I are going to a special dinner with private chef on Sat and I expect to clock up mega calories grin

MrsFlorrick Thu 09-Jan-14 22:11:25

Part way to catching up on thread. Shit are you all so hungry you'd get the little piggies!???!!

grin

Cuckoo. What are you like? Stuffed piggies. Just think of my 4 yo DD and the stream of tears down her little
Face (guilt guilt). wink

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 09-Jan-14 22:15:35

ELR - you did better than me. I have had chocolate, some home made bread and some peanuts tonight. I will cheekily claim a NSV though as I haven't felt guilty.

ZZZ - I started in August, weighing 12 stone 4lbs.

BsshBossh - I didn't think I HAD a familiar weight but come to think of it I went from 14 stone at 9 months pregnant to 11 stone something when he was 9 weeks old and I am not stuck at 11 stone 6....

DottiestDotty - don't worry, you won't feel crap every FD. Your body gets used to it.

BobPatSamandIgglePiggle Thu 09-Jan-14 22:17:20

Thanks Betsy :-)

Off to bed before i kill DH then. He's a skinny mini and has munched his way through 2 packets of crisps, a crunchie, a bread roll with chocolate spread and the last of the Xmas cake since his dinner!

MrsFlorrick Thu 09-Jan-14 22:17:31

Bigchoc. I've had the piggies out this afternoon on our home made assult course. The DC are training them in ninja tactics.

They are currently taking the first watch over the choc stores (vastly increased with Xmas choc!).

Thanks, Cuckoo.
It'll be a fiddly job shoving enough choc up 2 guinea pigs bums, but I'll give it a go - sans butter, as you remember that nauseates me.
Must buy a culinary syringe. Anyone measured a guinea pig's aperture lately ? Don't feel I can ask MrsF.
hmm
Well done all FDers who managed today.

BetsyBell Thu 09-Jan-14 22:30:49

BobPat I think it would perfectly acceptable to smother DH while he sleeps after all thatshock such cruelty!

I'm even more impressed with you now - you've shown such restraint!

RavenousRunner Thu 09-Jan-14 22:32:46

Hmm, was doing very well till I got home - DH made very nice chicken and barley soup, and I couldn't resist the bread and wine along with it. Not much of either, but definitely not a proper FD any more. At least I'm still pretty hungry so I can't have gone that far astray.

Monday is another day.

MrsFlorrick Thu 09-Jan-14 22:33:14

New people. I will greet you all individually once I've caught up.

I just want to say that you don't have to go for the 500 cals hell for leather.

I'm a big wimpy person. And when I started I started doing mini fasts. Ie under 1000 cals and worked my way down towards 500. I still lost weight. And there were obvious health benefits. I used to have high blood pressure and its now low.

You can ease yourself into this. Don't make yourself ill (to Bumbum) by going at it too hard.

And you work your way into it. I can now easily do liquid only fasts (24 hours only not 36 like the hard core long term 5:2ers). And I can slip in an extra FD without barely noticing.

It quickly becomes a way of life without having to obsess and plan and worry about.

Chin up to those of you who feel your starting/current weight is really high and you won't get there. You WILL and it will be so much quicker than you ever imagine not to mention easier.

The poster today who went for a weigh in. 5'10" and 17st. To you I say I started out at same weight and same height (twins). And that was after DS was born so less than 2.5 years ago.
I tried lots of different diets. I've been 5:2 since August. I can stick to it and I am now 11.4st whic is 6lbs off goal weight (would be similar for you).

At first you lose weight much more quickly so you will reduce your size. I know you will find it hard to believe but take heart.

And while you make progress we are all here for you. grin

Do pop over to Bigchocs workout thread and get some tips. Working out (what ever type of exercise you choose) really helps.

MrsFlorrick Thu 09-Jan-14 22:36:06

Yeah yeah Bigchoc. All the brave talk. But can you face off the Florrick Ninja piggies??!! wink

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 22:49:46

That was me Mrs F That's an amazing loss.

Yeah, I guess now I've stopped snotting I've figured out that it took nearly 3 years to make my two babies and the fat that came along for the ride, so it may take that to lose it.

I guess it's really hard to believe it will work as I'll be eating so much more on NFDs than any 'diet' ever. But this is for my lifetime, not just for a season so slow and steady is the way...just hope it's not so slow I get all snotty again as misery loves cheese...which I can eat tomorrow! But the fasting's fine really, I'm ok with nothing, knowing I can have it tomorrow, (I'll probably do liquids only and eat a snack in the evening as I get too hungry once I start otherwise!) Thanks for posting, really good to hear. How much of that incredible loss has been on the 5:2 since August when you started?

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Thu 09-Jan-14 22:53:14

dottiest good luck for tomorrow's fast. Definitely try a 1000 cal fast, bf a small baby uses a lot of calories. I found Wednesdays fast went quite well as I was out most of the day with dd so didn't think about food too much.

cuckoo your recipe ideas have finally proved to me what I have long suspected - I will consider eating anything asking as it involves chocolate grin

toffee sorry you and your dd are sick, it sucks being ill. Your soup recipes sound great.

I might try a fast day tomorrow as I'm planning another busy day. Need to buy some soup though - I think soup will be my saviour on FDs

MrsF I will plyometrically kick the ass of any Florrick ninja watch-piggies, because I do hundreds of BigGirl press-ups and I box with the hunks !

You've just provided juicy piggies to dip in the choc fondue I shall make from your stores.

< Cuckoo, you twerk away and distract her - we'll share the choc & the piggies >

MrsFlorrick Thu 09-Jan-14 23:08:14

Zedzed. Only 20lbs.

Buuuuuut. And this is the big but. I tried lots of other diet. Amongst others I lost over 3 stone on Dukan when DS was about a year old.
I fell off the wagon and put 2 stone back on. So this time last year I still had just under 3 stone to lose.

In 2013 I started with 6 months of low carbing then just over 3 months of calorie counting and then 5:2.
Low carb and cal counting was hard work. 5:2 is easy.

And bear in mind the last stone is the hardest to lose. Just ask anyone else on here who have reached goal weight (TIP, Postmanpatscat, Earslaps, Betsy)
And Bssh who is sort of my BMI twin with just a few lbs to go.

Zed zed. Hang on in there. grin

Zed You have the right attitude with your motto Slow & steady

Remember, on IF diets WOEs such as 5:2, people seem to lose a higher % of fat and a lower % of muscle, if any, than with other diets.
This is good for your shape and body composition.

Retaining all, or most, of your muscle helps prevent weight regain later, because your TDEE does not drop as much.
The NFDs averaging at TDEE also help maintain TDEE better than a conventional daily CR (calorie reduction) diet.

This is as well as the health benefits of fasting which led many of us to 5:2.
Anything you plan to do for a couple of years needs to be healthy and to fit in with normal life, which most of us find this WOE does.

I look forward to reading your story on the Inspirations thread.
smile

MrsFlorrick Thu 09-Jan-14 23:28:09

Bigchoc gringrin "plyrometrically arse kick"

zedzedzed Thu 09-Jan-14 23:33:41

Will do Mrs! If only because I know what happens to any bad little piggies!

20 more lbs dropped is amazing! And over the hols too. AND you say it's easy in comparison. Yeah, I'm hoping that's true for me too, it certainly seems so as the tomorrow thing is mindblowingly good as it has always been my downfall, thinking I can NEVER have something again.

So I may do my 2nd FD tomorrow so I can fit two in this week (as I started this whole thing on a random wonky day and want to do Mon/ Thurs fasts normally).

Um, am not thinking about exercise yet as it'll make me weep,just too much for this week, I'm pretty busy with the babies and a bit of walking and will maybe do a bit of Davina with weights when I get my get up and go back a bit next week...still just trying to get my head around the mammoth task ahead and this whole new woe. Thanks Mrs...am sure you'll crack that last stone, it's just a matter of fat maths! God, 11stone, can't wait to be back there again! X

Geckos48 Thu 09-Jan-14 23:35:41

I suppose I better join in here!

I have 8 stone to lose

I weighed in at 116kg on Monday

I am doing 5:2 and where convenient 4:3.

My husband is joining me!

End of my third fast tonight and feeling the hunger as I fall to sleep, very much looking toward to getting up and eating!

Darnley Thu 09-Jan-14 23:36:04

Hi all.

Nearing the end of my second fasting day. Am feeling really good and very motivated, and have lost a few pounds. DH is also doing 5:2 as we are both very overweight, so we are being mutually supportive.

Has anyone done 3 days instead of 2, and if so, does it speed up any weight loss and improvement in health ?

hopefulgum Thu 09-Jan-14 23:49:00

OMG! 10 pages! Phew! This thread moves too fast for me to keep up. I read up to page 7 then flipped straight to page 10, I will have to read later when I have time.

Completed fast day yesterday under 500. Pleased with that.

Did my measurements this morning, and in a week I have lost 1 inch on the bust, 1/2 an inch on the waist and 2 inches on the hips! I am well pleased with that. Especially as the scales say I have only lost 200 grams. But I actually don't believe the scales because 1. I didn't weigh myself naked, and 2. I weighed in after breakfast.

I think I may weigh in again tomorrow morning, naked and before breakfast!

I am going to try to eat only lightly today as I think dinner will be a calorie bomb, with T bone steaks, garlic potatoes, gin and tonic, white wine,possibly champagne and gelati for dessert. Oh yummy!

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 23:49:12

BigChoc I know you don't do butter! - it was nut butter! Am hurt you didn't know how much I know you. (crosses arms, turns face to side)

Not sure I want to gang up on MrsF now you haven't read my recipe properly!....

....but if I did (sneaky face)..... I would distract her by dazzling her with my best twerking from atop o' the Florrick cheese pile.

While she's transfixed, you take out the ninja piggies. We used to have some, so I know how to distract them, and from MrsF kale farty sessions, I know we'll find just what they like in the fridge mwah hah hah haa! Then it's all yours.

Plyometrically and using heightened HIIT speeds, kick the living crap out of the vault doors and grab the stash.

Just hope that she isn't channelling Jillian after clearing level 157 of RoboCop body in 3 days, and digging deep in which case - you're on your own!

grin

Darnley Thu 09-Jan-14 23:55:18

Geckos, we are a similar weight.

What has made you decide that now is the time to do this ?

Mine was more health related than weight. Am fed up with being too knackered to drag myself round the shops. As a committed shopaholic, this was a step too far... Also became really worried about diabetes.

Anyway, am determined to do this, and its good to know that I can eat tomorrow.

CuckooAtchooUhOh Thu 09-Jan-14 23:59:14

Hi Gecko - Welcome!

8 stone you say? Well you're in good company here. Lots of stories on the inspiration thread, highly recommend a read to help get you motivated.

I know it's a lot of reading but the tips and links thread is also really useful. Quite often we all start out with the same questions/struggles/fears but within couple of weeks we're dishing out advice to others. You may find it helpful, if not ask away here and ignore the occasional random post about chocolate vaults and ninjas etc!

Good Luck with it all.

Same to all newcomers! Keep going - it gets easier and is very addictive because of it's simplicity. You will get healthy as well as slimmer and you don't have to say goodbye to anything you love for more than 1 day twice a week!

CuckooAtchooUhOh Fri 10-Jan-14 00:06:25

And if not kale..... my absolute secret weapon........

guinea pig crack = spinach!

They don't stand a chance. Oh and this weekend is good apparently wink

p.s only thing your gps are in danger of MrsF is being brought home by me. But the dog would 'love' them too much, so no chance!

Oh, Cuckoo, abject apologies, I should have realised you meant my fav nut butter. Sorry, pal.
blush
Ok, commando raid planned - um, didn't mean quite that: I'm a naturist, but it's " whole hawg or nuthin' "; I don't go commando. My green face pack is scary enough.
wink
You are the best twerker on thread and I'm sure MrsF stores only the best choc - she must have had a bit too much wine when she stumbled into that heartless knobhead MrF.
hmm
Well, if I kick hard at anything swinging low, maybe you can give her a good recipe for Foraged Braised Testicles a la Cuckoo au Vin.

We'll plan our leather costumes tomorrow. Bags I the studded whip ! Oops, wrong party.
grin

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 00:14:15

Zedzed. I've been Exactly where you are. Completely and utterly exactly (we are height twins grin).

It felt mammoth. It hasn't been.

It's about getting started and getting stuck in. Once you're off that's it.

Losing the first stone or two really helps your self esteem and gives you some joy.

You will probably feel some de motivation about half way there. That's normal.

And you'll suddenly just be very close to goal. And you've then pretty much done it.

When you have a fair bit to lose, the first couple of stones shift quickly. It's a real motivator.

And Zedzed. Pleeeeeeeease I implore you. Look at exercise.
I do Jillian Michaels. It's HIIT training with strength intervals. It's a 20 minute workout but it gets you in shape fast. Just ask Earslaps!!

You need to try it. It honestly makes amazing changes to your shape and how you feel.

Before I had my DC I was slim. Never been on a diet. Ate like a horse.
I had gestational diabetes both pregnancies. And I gained just over 6 stones both times. Lost it after the first DC and I did it quickly too in just over a year. I did Jason Vale juice diet and Dukan. Hardcore but effective in the short term and not for wimps really as serious deprivation is involved. Wish I had known a out 5:2 then!!!
And second DC was born within two years of DC1.

So basically I got fat, slimmed down only to fall pregnant and have GD again and end up massive.
Weight was harder to shift second time. Mainly due to looking after two DC and feeling so tired.

But I've almost done it.
And with 5:2 I know there is no "wagon" to fall off once I reach my goal. Unlike other diets where once you stop the deprivation it's hard not to pile it all back on.

As you can see I am new to weightloss. Never tried it before DC were born as no need.

It's been a lot to get my mind around and my body has looked and felt alien to me. It changed so much not just due to pregnancies but that extra weight gain. Its been a bit of a head fuck actually.

But since starting 5:2, I have regained control and shed the fear that I will pile it all back on.
During Xmas and new year I certainly did not deprive myself but I still did my FDs and I didn't gain weight at all. grin

Zedzed ((((((hugs))))))

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 00:18:00

Cuckoo. Twerking on the cheese pile. That will get me. I looooooooooove cheese grin

Bigchoc if you coat the piggies in Panko breadcrumb and make an oriental style dipping sauce with your nut butter, I think you've got at least a starter there. wink

My choc stash is massive after Xmas grin and I will hoard more (evil cackle).
My cheese stash is pretty big too grin

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 00:31:11

Bigchoc. If you all broke in Chez Florrick and twerked as if your lives depended on it, you'd not wake mrF from his slumber.
He has developed an uncanny ability to hear nothing while he sleep. Presumably so he doesn't have to help with the DC when they wake.... hmm

Sadly wine wasn't involved when I met him. And there were no signs of the current behaviour even after many years together. It only started after DC1 was born and then slowly almost insidiously. It didn't hit me until after DC2 came along. I guess he didn't feel he could treat me like this until he had "trapped" me properly ie with DC sad.

If we didn't have DC, I would have walked immediately and without a backwards glance. I've left many a decent boyfriend for far far less and at the first sign of any kind of patronising overly alpha male behaviour and yet here I am.

I always swore I wouldn't become this person ie housewife who puts up with anything just to keep the peace. But once you have DC, you need to think very carefully about what's best for them. And it wouldn't be best for them to be hauled off to a bedsit or a crummy flat and spend all their time in daycare while their mum scrapped around in crappy jobs trying to hold it together in the hope the settlement would take care of everyone. I simply
Can't leave or ask him to without ruining the DC lives.
I bore the two of them. They grew inside me and I have a duty to ensure the have the best calmest and most trouble free childhood I can give. So that means me doing the doormat impression for another 16 years or so sad. Makes you want winewinewine!

CuckooAtchooUhOh Fri 10-Jan-14 01:01:52

Oh MrsF thanks wine wine

How about we break in and I help you drink his wine collection while BC plyometrically does stuff to him in a way that doesn't leave marks and we'll drug him with something that makes him forget the next day.

She gets her work out, I help you marinade with wine and we can all share the chocolate. We'll have secret cellar parties! Anyone else with mad skillz can join us too? Howbout that eh??

You are beautiful, wonderful individual MrsF and the saddest part about all of this is when I hear how you lost/have lost some of your self worth. DIG DEEP!! You are worth it! (and not the elvive-y way. They didn't invent that phrase - arseholes!) XX

Breadandwine Fri 10-Jan-14 02:02:18

find it hard to find good recipes for a veggie trying to go lower on carbs.

madhairday, I'm a vegan, and I've been IFing for nearly 2 years, so I've had lots of experience with low-carb meals. In fact I've got a blog where I post them (most of these are on the recipe thread).

You might find some ideas on here - particularly the low-cal curry with 100g broccoli instead of rice.

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 07:13:16

Weigh-in Friday: 1.4 lbs down this week (2.4 lbs from goal!).

TossedSaladsAndScrambledEggs Fri 10-Jan-14 07:13:48

Well done to everyone so far!

I am a bit gutted as I have maintained after 2 nd fast day so only lost a pound after 2 this week sad.

So looks like I will have to stick to my tdee today which I was kinda hoping I wouldn't have to resort to on nfds! I am trying to do af so I do have one more fd left this week, and without being tmi I am a bit sluggish digestion system wise after Xmas so hopefully I may drop a few pounds yet!

Not exercising either as I am still coughing from a rather nasty fluey thing so should shift better once I get running again.

Good luck to everyone today! smile

Eatriskier Fri 10-Jan-14 07:14:11

zed when I first started I could barely walk with si ligament strains. It's what spurred me into starting this woe, so I had no choice but to start exercising slowly. If you want to ease in try something like the 30 day squat challenge. Then get your walk on, even if it's for 30 mins around your living room. I now elliptical run and cycle twice a week, hula hoop 3 times a week and make sure I have a good walk everyday. Though today's walk will also be accompanied by a good 2 mile jog around my living room chasing Dd who gets irritated that I can't keep doing it!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 10-Jan-14 07:54:37

Morning all! smile

Welcome to all the newbies. You are stuck with us all now grin.

Well done BsshBossh!

I measured this morning. 1cm up sad. Weighed this morning. Still 160lbs. I am going to just eat what I need until Sunday lunch and then fast at least the 16 hours and see what happens. I do think though if I look like I do now when DS2 was 9 weeks old I did pretty well. This is near enough the lowest I have been since before I was pregnant with him so obviously my body recognises it. I am still a few pounds overweight so I just focus on the few pounds but and stop being so vain to want to me 10 something!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 10-Jan-14 07:55:45

few pounds bit, not but.

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 08:06:46

mrs f thanks for lovely long post/cheer-leading, ra-ra dancing. Yes. I'm off. I am really doing this (2nd fast day today, liquids only, probably just a snack for dinner...easier to be extreme what with my compulsive food personality!)

But...if I have to do anything with 'shred' in the title right now I will give up entirely, I know I will, this week HAS to be about committing to this new woe, burning the rules on my brain and teaching my body how to function again.
I'm not lazy, far from it, I'm a hyper/high-functioning/speedy maniac! Loads of stomping up mountains, bombing along beaches and 18hr shifts on my feet in a very physically demanding job. That was the only time I stayed effortlessly slim, no diet, noexercise, just being busy-busy-busy all day. But that was BEFORE The Babies!

I absolutely will get onto it. I promise faithfully. But I will start very slow (2 ear to ear c-sections have severed all communication between me and my stomach muscles/nerves, and hyper-baggy-hormone-attacked ligaments and carpal tunnel killed the rest...gotta love those wee babybastardos).

But I have already upped my daily activity and I will add one workout at a time, once I can commit to that I will add another etc. If my brain even sniffs the word 'regime' I will subconsciously rebel and run (or sit) in protest. High impact short, sharp exercise bouts may be the way forward.

So, it'll be Playstation Let's Dance (cos it's fun and I don't notice I'm exercising) and a bit of Davina or light interval training. Shredding is a long way off. It's funny how I can be so iron-willed with food (off and on, which is why I love the idea of this woe) and still DESPISE formal exercise, no it DOESN'T give me an endorphin buzz, no I DON'T feel better for it, I dread it, do it, loathe it, but yes I KNOW that it works. But for me, being hyperactive in my day works better than 3-5 formal routines that make me want to crawl under my duvet...with cheese.

<sits back and waits for the onslaught from gym bunnies/spandex guinea-pigs insisting feeling the burn is fun!>

MazzleDazzle Fri 10-Jan-14 08:10:22

Feeling a bit disheartened and fed-up.

Weight loss has been slow and as I weigh myself everyday, the scales tell me that on my NFDs my weight shoots back up, then down, then up, etc.
I have two and a half stone to lose - at this rate it will take YEARS!

I know I shouldn't weigh myself everyday, but I find it so hard not to. Also, my FD are on different days every week, so if I was to try and weigh myself weekly, I wouldn't know which day to do it.

Today was supposed to be a NFD, but after stepping on the scales it's going to be a FD and I feel fine about that. So in some ways, the scales encourage me.

I have a contraceptive implant and periods are irregular. Have felt on the verge of mtotm for 3 weeks now, but it still hasn't arrived! I know this isn't helping!

Have also had a tough few days in other ways, but won't get into that here.

(Sigh)

Anyway, moan over, FD begins! Shall now attempt 1 real press up (there is zero chance I will succeed) a plank and run up and down the stairs a few times, before my HIT class. Last week I was doing no exercise at all, so that's something to celebrate at least.

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 08:13:23

eat risk Will have a look at squatting thing...sounds very uncouth and likely to produce a lot of trumpeting, which my boy should enjoy...but I'll Google now...or wait, is it on here somewhere...<scrolls>

MazzleDazzle Fri 10-Jan-14 08:18:33

By the way zed, the Shred is no harder than any of Davina's workouts, it only lasts 20 mins, and there are 3 workouts, so start with level 1, which is on youtube. Go on, I dare you!

Very few people do it religiously for 30 days. Calling it 30 Day Shred is more of a marketing ploy than anything else. Start with once a week if you have to.

I too have had 2 emergency c-sections and was horrified that after DD2 I couldn't even do 1 sit up! It was like I was paralysed! When I tried to raise myself up, literally NOTHING happened.

BetsyBell Fri 10-Jan-14 08:21:11

mazzle A lot of us found that our weight would bounce around a number (ie up and down), then suddenly drop 2 or 3 pounds, then bounce again and so on. It seems disheartening as the loss isn't consistent, but the overall trend is still down, despite the bounces up.

Go and look on Bigchoc's exercise thread - she set me some xfit pressups which I can do! And make me feel like that I will, one day in the not too distant future, be able to do real ones, properly. It's a revelation.

Frozennortherner Fri 10-Jan-14 08:23:06

Does it really matter if I go over 500 cals? If, say, I do 3x700 cals in a week instead of 2x500 cals, wouldn t that work just as well as the weekly total cal intake would still be less than the recommended for an adult woman?

TheBitchesOfWeestick Fri 10-Jan-14 08:23:11

Just quickly logging last night's food before I do the school run: had chicken curry (Hairy Dieters jalfrezi, a favourite recipe in this house), fried new potatoes, mango chutney, yoghurt, two beers AND a glass of wine with our neighbour...and would still have stayed in calorie limit for the day, had it not been for the roti I added to the meal! Very instructive. I didn't even want the roti that much, esp not with potatoes as well, so will learn for next time.

Also had a minor NSV, in that I tipsily considered having some chocolate, then thought 'do I really want it, given that it will almost certainly push me over my TDEE if I'm not over it already?' Decided I didn't, and also decided against a second glass of wine smile

I'll try and catch up with this sprinting thread later grin Will check out the exercise thread too.

ErrolTheDragon Fri 10-Jan-14 08:23:28

>Also, my FD are on different days every week, so if I was to try and weigh myself weekly, I wouldn't know which day to do it.

How about you try to weigh on whichever FD is, or is the next one after ,a particular day of the week - so its approx. weekly but under consistent conditions. I try to always weigh on a FD after one drink and the loo - inputs/outputs can make a significant difference!

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 08:27:13

mazzledazzle <waves hello!>

I'd bin the scales and just measure yourself or weigh in ONCE a month so you can see the trend is generally down. Maybe keep the scales at a friend's house out of temptation. Sounds like you're doing brilliantly.

PS I had an implant after my 1st baby, it didn't suit me at all, lots of weight gain (another reason I'm here) and loads of feeling pregnant all year round (insanely moody/bloated/starving). Felt SO much better once it was out (lost weight naturally, moods stabilised etc) but then I decided to have another baby so all bets were off. Just a thought, if you're finding it tough perhaps there's a better form of contraception for your body?

Happy fast day to you!

VERY happy NON fast day to the rest...lucky buggers.

This morning I am hauling myself up and giving myself a kick up the bum. I am putting in place a 'fuck off plateau' plan.

I'm struggling with my body image a bit, have convinced myself that I am gigantic, which is utter nonsense, I'm only a few lbs from 'perfectly fine' and a stone from 'ideal'.

And I have a date tomorrow!

Anyway. Off to do press ups until I can no longer press up!

ImABadGirl Fri 10-Jan-14 08:47:37

zed I'm doing the 30 day squat challenge, I'm on 65 squats today so will get them done.

Meant to be a FD but am giving blood later so better I have a NFD today and fast tomorrow, having tea and toast in a minute smile

Happy fasting today peeps

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 08:47:41

Oh no. Just read the exercise thread...that earslaps lady is going to come and get me, quick start a new thread for hiding in! Fecking planks...I wept self-pityingly for an hour when I tried the planking bit in some post-pregnancy American chick's dvd; couldn't believe my muscles were paralysed (who else said that? Too true) completely severed.

It did get better, but not with that postnatal abs and planking cow, time and do-able strength training helped a bit...but then I had an even BIGGER c-section (my last baby was 11lbs12. That is not a misprint, 11lbs12. And no I don't have Gestational Diabetes and she's not a fattie...but she is about 6ft long!)

mazzle yes...but it's called 'shred'...and 30 days on the trot? I need one called 'today and never again, except in a couple of days, if you can face it again, sorry love'

BetsyBell Fri 10-Jan-14 08:48:14

Frozen try doing normal 5:2 but aiming for (say) 750, then gradually reduce it over time. That might feel more doable.

New starters - if you go over 500/600 - you haven't failed! Just try and get close to the mark next time - it doesn't matter how long it takes.

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 08:49:51

Mazzle if I were you I'd record my official weight on the morning after my 2nd FD of the week, whichever day that fell.

Bitches terrific NSV!

BetsyBell Fri 10-Jan-14 08:50:02

Zed How about some nice walks instead! Or a bit of Just Dance. It's all good, just get moving. Jillian is evil (though I do love her), but for now focus on upping the moving about. x

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 08:50:05

Any links to this squatting challenge? can't see it, sorry. Thanks.

ImABadGirl Fri 10-Jan-14 08:54:33

30 day squat challenge....

Day 1 50 squats
Day 2 55 squats
Day 3 60 squats
Day 4 Rest
Day 5 65 squats

and so on and so forth until you get to a massive 250 squats, make sure you rest every 3 days grin

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 08:56:55

Ok...looks pretty straight forward...damn it. I better shut up and go squat then. Not a sentence I had planned for this morning.

Cheers all.

Itsaboatjack Fri 10-Jan-14 09:02:20

Frozen I agree with BetsyBell, if you think you can't go to 500 cals yet then work your way down to it at your own speed.

Mazzle ditch the everyday weighing, try and stick to weekly, or even monthly if you can't wait that long. Do it under the same circumstances, ie first thing in the morning after df, or whatever works for you.

Zed I think it's very sensible to focus on one thing at once. When you got to grips with this woe and started to see so e results you'll probably find you want to start exercising as you feel more confident and energised.

I forget who it was a few pages back who mentioned stretchy jeans. I totally agree, it's so easy to put on a few lbs and then a few more without noticing as so many of our clothes stretch so much. When I get to goal weight I'm going to buy a really good pair of jeans with no stretch and make sure they stay comfortable.

Have a good day everyone.

AngieM2 Fri 10-Jan-14 09:03:02

Friday weigh in (after 2nd FD) 2lb gone. I'll take that thanks you. Just off to spin, not eating til lunchtime. 3NFD's. Love this WOE

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 09:07:48

Argh. We have the D&V bug in the house. DD started vomiting at 3am and it took several hours for her to stop. Yikes. Just waiting for me and DS to start. Weeps.

So much for my dinner party tomorrow. angry

Amazingly. I dealt with the first two vomit episodes and DH actually got up and dealt with DD after that so I could go back to sleep. Wonders will never cease. Was taken aback.

CuckooAtchooUhOh Fri 10-Jan-14 09:17:33

MazzleDazzle you said it yourself.. I know I shouldn't weigh myself everyday.....and this is why!

Weigh in no sooner than once a week. Make your weigh day the morning after your 2nd (last) fast day of week.

If you sneak a peek early - it doesn't count! Only the official weekly one does.

This way if nothing else. You only get to feel crap about the numbers one day a week!

Works for me. Post poo, before eating/drinking morning after 2nd fd.

Whatever you do be consistent. But not daily! grin

RavenousRunner Fri 10-Jan-14 09:23:28

mazzledazzle what sort of implant do you have? I have an IUS/Mirena, and after getting it put it I gained about a stone in a few months, and felt all bloated and horrible. After that it settled down and now I wouldn't it give it up for anything - no periods has been a huge revelation! I still have cycles, but much fewer side effects than before. Apart from getting spots on my chin EVERY BLOODY MONTH which apparently is a curse I will never be rid of.

Even after slight dinner failure last night, down a pound this morning, and my suit trousers are fitting the way they should again. Unlike my traitorous stretchy jeans my work wardrobe lets me know the second I've eaten too much - I had everything old tailored when I started having to wear it every day, so it is all exactly fitted to me at 10 stone 5 lbs. Good way to be forced to keep an eye on things. I suppose in the olden days when people only had a limited wardrobe and none of it stretched putting on weight was a very expensive proposition!

Woke up starving and had two wholegrain rice cakes with peanut butter and banana before my run - they may have been the most delicious thing I've ever tasted.

CuckooAtchooUhOh Fri 10-Jan-14 09:27:58

Ended up eating last night after all, reckon was under 650 so calling it a fd. Just waiting to move before first drumroll official weigh in since Christmas.

Can see the difference already though. My face has lost a lot it's puff.

I am starting to realise just how much of my expansion after blow outs is because I am still actually holding what I've eaten! Which is prob exactly why this makes such a huge diff because you have to pause the gobbling twice a week which allows a catch up plus reduces total weekly input too!

Chrimbo created quite a backup! Disgusting to think really that I was just cramming more and more on top. Just because you wake up and it's a new day, does not automatically mean you have to starting shovelling food in again.

It really is about rediscovering and connecting with genuine hunger!

Stating the obvious post ALERT!

ErrolTheDragon Fri 10-Jan-14 09:52:53

On the consistency thing when weighing - a mug full of water weighs 10oz. If you usually weigh before consuming anything, and then next week forget and have a cuppa first, don't be surprised if you're half a pound more than you were hoping!

Weighings at a GPs visit, or in an evening are going to be very variable unless viewed over months rather than weeks.

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 09:58:21

AngieM2 great weightloss, well done! You too RavenousRunner smile
MrsF oh no! Hope the D&V sweeps quickly through.

NFD today: panettone buttered toast with Red Leicester for breakfast, along with a mug of hot milk. Am very satisfied now and ready to work. Might have sushi for lunch and then we'll be having cheese omelettes with chips and cherry tomatoes for dinner tonight followed by a slice each of tarte citron. I love the no-guilt eating of 5:2.

Jobyloo Fri 10-Jan-14 10:20:29

Morning everyone! Am jumping aboard with you all. Tried this 5:2 very half heatedly last year and don't want another year to go by feeling v unhappy with my weight & shape.

The inspirational thread is amazing and yep v inspirational for this newbie. 3rd FD yesterday and really pleased because I'm down 5.75lbs since NYD. Am going to have a look at the exercise thread, must be mad but I'm loving the sound of the squat challenge smile.

Looking forward to getting to know you, from what I've read so far you seem like a really friendly bunch thanks

Eatriskier Fri 10-Jan-14 10:26:42

mrsf you guys don't have much luck with these bugs do you? Hope it doesn't linger for you all

toffee if you aren't ahem eliminating properly you may find both the scales and measurements creeping up. The both will drop once you go fully.

Have done a 0.7mile jog already. Not sure why Dd feels the need to motivate me to exercise given she is only 3 but I'm guessing it's something to do with bcf wink grin

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Fri 10-Jan-14 10:35:13

I know someone who went on the implant and put on about 2 stone (she's only 5 foot 1. I think weight gain is quite common.

imabadgirl I've been doing a bit of a squat challenge, it's hard to find time for proper excercise but even I cm can find time for these. I'm up to 105 squats. Taking a break this week as I'm a bit poorly.

zed try squats they don't take much time and you feel like you've achieved something (just watch your knees)

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 11:00:54

Am in the park with The Boy, there are outdoor exercise machine things here for the adults, have done 20 reps on all 6 and 50 squats, also ran for bus so pthrrrrrrp to y'all! (and thanks). (yeah, knees & ligaments already knackered from preggo hormone, relaxin, & extra weight has exacerbated, feel very old these days) Off to get in yummy supplies for NFD tomorrow. Duck and green beans and maybe even a wee fruity pud. YAY!

TimeToPassGo Fri 10-Jan-14 11:00:56

My Paul McKenna emotional eating book arrived. Reading through it now but will update with feedback smile Interestingly he says he wrote it for people who tried the old system but just stopped even though it was working - because emotional eating was just so habitual. That's me alright!

Also I started WW Discovery Plan on Monday but combined it with a bit of 5:2 stuff. So far this week I have lost 6lbs! This is mostly water weight esp because first measurement was taken at the heaviest point in my cycle. Giving me a bit of encouragement though. I am going to eat a decent amount today and tomorrow to compensate. Chinese for dinner tonight and out for lunch too smile Doing 5:2 first really helped me not be afraid of being hungry for a couple of hours. Also hoping the book will help me get on top of my desire to munch in the evenings.

ElenorRigby Fri 10-Jan-14 11:03:08

Very strange diet this.

I've had 2 fast days and Im only 4 days in. This morning I went to have a reduced portion English breakfast. One hash brown, one toast, 2 eggs, 1 sausage, mushrooms. It nearly killed me to finish it! shock
A week ago Id have had wolfed the lot with a choc bar thrown in!

Aside from that my blood pressure is down (work in hospital so test myself) and oxygen satuaraion is up! Weird.

Also Ive lost 3 lbs! I can hardly believe this!

ELR Fri 10-Jan-14 11:20:03

Morning all, just caught up on the thread.
mrsf your poor little piggies, if you need to hide them bring them round to me I've got a lovely warm shed for them! Also hope the d&v clears up quickly but on the plus side if you do get it think of the weight loss, every cloud and all that!!
bshh your 1.4 lb weight loss must of hot footed it over here and stuck to my arse coz I'm up by that exact amount today after two fasts too! Oh well feeling a little bloated so it's prob that there's no way I've gained!
zzz loved your description of 30day shred def something you want to do once and maybe never again! A friend and I did it for the first time last year and the next morning my friend had to take diclofenac for the pain(she's a high flier in the NHS so got a college to perscribe).
Anyways off to do some shopping, NSV made myself a cuppa and got out an aero biscuit to go with it but then thought of b&w s wait 20 mins and see if you still want it well I did and I haven't eaten it! Also I'm practicing his clench thing too and it's working! So if everyone could just slip the word clench into every post I'll have a pelvic floor to die for!

BetsyBell Fri 10-Jan-14 11:34:36

ElenorRigby Strange because it's working…? grin

Welcome jobyloo - stick with us this time and we'll keep you going this time smile

BetsyBell Fri 10-Jan-14 11:35:49

CLENCH

(for you ELR) (and me!)

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 11:55:09

Update. Not D&V. Phew. Dd has a urine infection.

She wasn't vomiting this morning but her wee was so smelly so I took her to the doctors and yes that's what it was. Poor DD. she is miserableq

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 10-Jan-14 11:55:59

eatriskier - I think that is all working okay grin.

ElenorRigby - remember you don't have to finish the plate smile.

Someone mentioned poo. I just cleaned up a massive mountain of it. My cats might be 2 and under but OMG they can so big ones hmm!

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 11:57:32

ELR grin. The piggies are ninja piggies. They do my JM workouts with me and squeak at me to dig deep and fight for it wink

Bigchoc you may be able to do grown up press ups but I run really really fast even when laden down with a massive choc stash. Catch me if you dare! wink

Eatriskier Fri 10-Jan-14 12:03:07

Sorry toffee. I thought you said you were a bit blocked. Must have confused you with someone else blush

Eatriskier Fri 10-Jan-14 12:03:52

mrsf glad it's not d&v. Hope your Dd gets well soon

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 10-Jan-14 12:09:17

Eatriskier - I am stuck as in can't lose any weight! grin.

TalkinPeace Fri 10-Jan-14 12:17:14

How often should I weight myself?
No more than once a week.
Seriously, lock the scales in the boot of the car, or DHs car so you cannot access them.
Learn to listen to your waistband.
I do not own a set of scales. I weigh myself at the gym, once a week, in the same clothes, after my swim, before a class.
Therefore the numbers are comparable.

THen again they have just changed my class timetable and I could not weigh in today.
Ah well, I know that my jeans are looser than last week. That'll do.

Pizza and Wine tonight. Nom Nom

ELR Fri 10-Jan-14 13:07:31

Just wanted to add that even though I weighed 1.4 more than last week I've lost 1.5 inches on my waist and off my hips and 1/2 inch off each thigh and under bust. That is def a better indicator of how you are doing!
Just had a bacon and egg sandwich it was delish!

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 13:14:57

ELR that's the perfect example of how measuring is often better than weighing. Well done you!
MrsF what a relief (though not for your poor DD... ouch).

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 13:24:38

Poor MrsF's brood! Water infection's not quite as bad, hopefully, as a house full of vomit plague. Still, poor lamb.

2nd FD continues, liquids only since last night 9pm, it's totally fine, not a problem...don't hit me/point and laugh but...it's easy! (maybe because I'm used to starving myself unhealthily for months on end on other 'diets' over the last 30yrs, but THIS I could stick to forever,(IF I lose consistently), because of, (broken record) tomorrow:

I've just bought a wee blood orange creme brullee, a duck breast and spring greens for tomorrow's special weekend NFD.

Even if I haven't lost ANYTHING this 1st month (inconTHEVEable) I'm certainly choosing more varied food than the pasta,pasta,pasta,mincepies, more pasta that was the last 3wks; spring greens would've been bottom of the list of stodge). Also, I'm cooking better/more varied meals for my son as a result of having better leftovers/fridge pickings.

Woo and also hoo.

I may even squat again tomorrow.

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 13:27:52

zedzed naturally choosing healthy options so early in yur 5:2 journey is a splendid NSV. Sterling work smile

DontBeBlueBeARainbow Fri 10-Jan-14 13:29:08

Friday weigh-in: -1lb on pre-Christmas. Do I qualify for SWATH?? grin

Absolutely must get rid of scales at home because I can't stop weighing myself midweek either sad bad habit.

Happy weekend everyone, and Friday FDers, go go go!

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 13:33:25

grin

RavenousRunner Fri 10-Jan-14 13:41:04

My DS uses 'squat' as a humourous alternative to 'taking a poo', as in:

'Where's your father? We need to leave right now!'
'He's still in the loo. Maybe he's squatting.'

11 year old boys are so odd.

The thought of a 30 Day Squat Challenge and all the related posts are killing me.

LilyJoAndMe Fri 10-Jan-14 13:50:36

Wow!
Can't believe how FAST ( is that how 5:2 got its name ?- I think) thread 35 is shifting.
I hesitated about not reading all the posts since I last clocked near the end of thread 34. Then I just got stuck in. I've had so much to read I've hardly had any time to make breakfast or lunchsmile.
I'm hesitating about giving up work completely so I can get more involved in this thread ... ( decides to ponder the matter over another cup of tea - not feeling hungry but remembering this is a NFD).

LilyJoAndMe Fri 10-Jan-14 13:56:49

Zed - marvelous that you went a weighed yourself!
Well done - really well done!!!
Have you taken a photo of yourself ?
I suggest you do - another way of seeing progress without weighing.
I did this just over 2 weeks ago and I can already see the difference.
Unfortunately I took it of myself in my bra and knickers. So it won't be on t'internet. smile If you decide to do this I suggest you're fully clothed for your photo.

LilyJoAndMe Fri 10-Jan-14 14:04:32

I live in France and in my French recipe book there is a recipe for guineau pig. I feel too sad to hunt it out for you Big Choc and partner (can't remember who else you managed to rope into your evil plan-sounded like a Mr Fox escapade all over again). Anyways, just to say that maybe the Romans did eat g piggies. But certainly, until fairly recently the French definately did !
Hasten to add, I never have and have never met anyone here that has either!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 10-Jan-14 14:09:23

Does an adrenaline rush = weight loss?

I came home all psyched up to see a mouse courtesy of BoyCat. And right there, by the table was this brown thing, looking more squashed than the usual mice he brings me but hey ho. I then notice one of them has pulled out the bin liner (GirlCat broke the bin lid) and knocked my 2 notes on the flour so I am thinking I really do love the cats hmm. I go to get some kitchen paper and get the bin liner ready to pick up the mouse telling myself it needs to be done and to just do it. I was feeling so brave. So sure I could do it. And I did.


It was a massive brown leaf blush.

BoyCat has only just got in, thankfully without a real mouse.

DinoSnores Fri 10-Jan-14 14:14:22

I've eaten guinea pig in Peru. I was given it for lunch when I was out working in the Amazon jungle. Wasn't the tastiest thing I've ever eaten!

LilyJoAndMe Fri 10-Jan-14 14:15:52

Geckos - nice to meet you. Some how, I felt you and the 8 stones you want to lose got lost under the guineau pig recipes.
So here's cheering you on. I suggest a photo for you too.
I wish I'd done that myself - infact I seem to have managed avoiding the camera so well for so long that I haven't any fat photos at all. confused

LilyJoAndMe Fri 10-Jan-14 14:18:22

Toffee - I am prepared to send you the guinea pig recipe for the mouse - might help to shift you off the plateau - varied eating and all that ?

LilyJoAndMe Fri 10-Jan-14 14:18:59

Ooooooh Dino confused!

Hello can I join? I've just turned 38 and weigh the heaviest I have ever been. I am 5' 5" and today weight 65kgs. Pre DC 3 years ago, I was steady at 56kg so a significant gain for me. I feel intimidated by 5:2 and ate an enormous lunch today in contemplation of beginning this on Monday. I don't eat meat so any pescetarian / veggie food ideas welcome.

My stats are
5' 5"
65kg
BMI 23.5
Body Fat 29.7%

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 10-Jan-14 14:21:20

<vomits>

Darnley Fri 10-Jan-14 14:26:12

One week in and 2 fast days completed. Have lost 5 lbs... Whoopee.

Have now got a tape measure and will do the deed later, but can someone explain why not weighing every day is better. I do weigh daily, and have found it quite motivating so far, but am prepared to learn.

MakeTea, you're already at a healthy bmi, so any loses will be reeeeeaalllly slow.

What is intimidating you?

Dotty342kids Fri 10-Jan-14 14:31:24

Bssbossh that's brilliant! Well done to you.

I seem to have shifted 2 of my 3lbs from Christmas so happy with that. And I did the Squat Challenge last June and currently on Day 6 of it again! Don't know why we do these things to ourselves grin

melanie I'm afraid of being hungry, of the discomfort. I eat out of boredom (my job is very slow at the moment), I eat the kids leftovers and am very partial to beer.

Msdunny Fri 10-Jan-14 14:44:34

Decided to jump in. I have been lurking 2:5 threads for ages but only started and did my 4th fast yesterday. I have already lost 7Ib! I absolutely love this wol and finally feel I have some control in my life grin and it all thanks to all of you!!

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 14:55:35

Dino shock. That said I've rated deep fried cows brain in Romania. And not tasty either. Like salty watery very over cooked cauliflower without texture but sort greasy. Blurgh.

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 15:01:35

Bssh. Eatriskier Zedzed.

Yes I am very happy it's not the vom bug. It's the stuff of nightmares.

Still poor DD isn't great. She is still vomiting every so often.

The antibiotic and calpol stayed down so fingers crossed she will feel better soon. I am very sad for her as I know how painful it is.
The female pharmacist winced after looking at the prescription and at poor dd who was slumped in the stroller with a little tear down her cheek sad

Anyway. She is in bed having a nap. DS is being allowed TV and lots of it to keep him happy and quiet while DD rests. So he is over the moon.

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 15:04:22

So many new people here grin its great!! We are all happy to see you!

Luckily it's a NFD here. I've eaten a few falafals with salad and two rounds of toast. For the first time this week I am hungry though. Actually very hungry. Good job I was planning a decent dinner. Steamed cod fillets with greens and possibly some form of potato

Papayasoup Fri 10-Jan-14 15:07:23

On account of being in my phone and it being Friday NFD and having had my share of the wine tonight I again apologize for my inability to remember everyone, especially when I catch up on 3 pages in one go!!! Brilliant and welcome all

Well done everyone who's had 2 fasts this week for the first time, you've been AMAZING! But remember slow and steady wins the race.

I did get rather alarmed when I read that zed had wee that was blood orange and though that poor mrs f's dd's infection was catching.

zed well done on your first step to a healthier you and a great role model for the babies

mrs F I do hope you can still go out for your posh meal, you so deserve it.

RavenousRunner Fri 10-Jan-14 15:15:04

Darnley I'm with you on the weighing - provided one has a good WOE like 5:2 and aren't tempted to starve yourself or cry when the scales don't say what you want. Once I stop weighing myself, I inevitably gain weight, because I start thinking 'Oh a third second portion of chips isn't that bad, my clothes still fit. I try to bounce around where I want to be, so pre-crazy Christmas weight gain I figured as long as it was between 144 and 146.5 I was fine. Then I stopped weighing myself and lo and behold it was 152 the next time I looked!

Also I don't have the disclipline without the reinforcement. If I see I've lost even a tiny bit, I'm motivated to keep it off, and that can help my willpower in the face of salty goodness (I can take or leave the sweets, I have man-style food problems in that I can knock off a kebab, chips and a bottle of wine without blinking). Plus I am a stats geek so I need a number to put into MFP and Runkeeper - and I want to know that my calories burned count when running is accurate. So I will keep weighing. I will not be like my nutty DH who weighs himself after dinner and then complains that he's gained 3 pounds! First thing in the morning, before even a sip of water, no clothes.

Papayasoup Fri 10-Jan-14 15:17:21

My 2 FD this week put right the slight holiday gain. for anyone who doesn't know I'm now makntaining.
However I had my monthy weigh in at the gym after no exercise for at least 3 weeks. My weight is the same but I have gained 1% of body fat and extra cm on my thighs and hips. Yes, I am a pear! Confirmed what I was thinking, that it was all a bit more jiggly down there! And of course the TDEE they calculated for me has gone down. I know it is not accurate but showing a trend nonetheless. It also reinforces that I really need to focus on toning this year as not only will it help te jiggle but it'll mean I have more efficient body tissue (ie muscle instead of fat) so I can enjoy everything perfectly guilt free!

Geckos48 Fri 10-Jan-14 15:21:46

yes I hoped the 8 stone thread would kick off because it is quite disheartening to be on support threads with people who have got a stone to lose, talking about feeling fat in size 12 clothing and stuff... I know everyone is on their own journey but I think its important to have relevant support and i dont think I could offer support to someone with half a stone to lose any more than they could support me (unless they have already lost 7.5 stone of course!)

I had a bit of a fasting mis-hap this week. I was using diet Dr Pepper and diet Fanta to help me through and right next to all the diet drinks was a cherry 7up which i assumed was also diet, well when I went back to get some more I realised it wasn't sad

So for two of my fast days I drank full-fat drinks sad

Oh well, I already seemed to have lost some weight so thats good. I did eat a bit of choccy and a few crisps today but I am fasting again tomorrow.

Thats what I love most about this diet, that you dont have to feel constantly guilty for stuff and I can just say 'I really want this but I will eat it tomorrow'

Papayasoup Fri 10-Jan-14 15:27:12

To finish my previous post, this makes perfect sense as why the weight crept up. Prior to DD I was relatively fit and then she came along and I dropped it all from one day to the next but didn't really change my eating habits but as muscle went down weight went up and before I knew it I was a stone up. Just goes to show that exercise is not just to allow you to eat more on the day but longer term as well. And really that is all I want! It just reinforced once again my goal for this year and made me happy I started exercising again in the summer.

This being said, I did 6 months on 5:2 before I reintroduced exercise but I'm so glad I've started to now. I have to admit that even though research shows that IF results in less muscle loss I definitely noticed I'd lost muscle, which spurred me on. But I'm the slimmest I've been in my whole life so I can't say whether the muscle loss would have been less or more by other means.

The point of rambling post is settle in but do think of exercise in the not too distant future.

Make Tea, why are you afraid of hunger? It - literally - is not going to kill you. Discomfort? Might be a few tummy rumbles, but unlikely to be anything more serious than that.

You say you're eating out of boredom - that's not good. Well, it's good that you are aware of it....

Papayasoup Fri 10-Jan-14 15:30:33

bssh well done, so close!

Papayasoup Fri 10-Jan-14 15:36:37

maketea my stats were similar to yours a year ago.

I reckon I hadn't felt hungry before starting 5:2 for 12-18 months!
My DH doesn't fast with me but he's taken away one lesson, which he told me about yesterday, after a year of me banging on about it. He is now trying to only eat when he is hungry. Hunger is not bad, quite to the contrary. And tip is so right snacking is not necessary or healthy. Your calories will go so far when you save them for your meal. Just try it!

Papayasoup Fri 10-Jan-14 15:40:44

Sorry slightly of topic and not at all as entertaining as yesterday's banter about the pigs but I've decided to get a slow cooker in an attempt to be less time poor in the evening and maybe get some exercise in.
toffee if I remember correctly you have one and use it a lot. Any recommendations and do you use a specific cook book?

Zed There are a few routines on my exercise thread Here for those who have high BMI or are at beginner level. Check out: interval walking, beginners spin, stretching etc.

Have a look: Masses of info there, something for all levels.

You might want to try the Body Fat calculator, to get an idea of where you are, because BFat % is more important than BMI for health.

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 15:42:57

lilyjo Yup, just created a profile on here, have NO fat photos to upload as I've been avoiding the lens since gaining 100lbs,strangely enough, ...denial, not just a river in Egypt.

May take a faceless, anonymous one soon, hopefully for looking back on in horror not longing.

Hahahaha! No blood-orange wee here! Just Scottish and use the word wee...a lot.

RavenousRunner Fri 10-Jan-14 15:44:26

Minefield of Friday night office drinks approaching - I don’t go often but when I do I plonk myself down by the posh crisps and eat most of them to accompany my wine, and then go home and eat dinner, and popcorn on the sofa with the boys after. I will eat 10 and enjoy them all. If I quantify it and tell you all maybe I can actually exercise some self-control…if you hear loads of crunching send a mental head smack my way.

Papayasoup Fri 10-Jan-14 15:45:51

Phew on the blood orange wee!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 10-Jan-14 15:49:42

Papayasoup - just scrolled quickly as on my phone but yes , I of have a slow cooker and did dinner in it last night. I have 3 recipe books and would probably rec 2 of them as I use them the most. The other is lovely but more fancy pants. I'll post a link once I'm home.

Papayasoup Fri 10-Jan-14 15:51:45

zed just looked at your profile and those babies are gorgeous. I know they have ravaged your body but you will get you back. But a better you or in any case a stronger you. And a great role model. Totally understand your motivation

Papayasoup Fri 10-Jan-14 15:58:35

darnley re weighing. You need to find what works for you. However if you choose to weigh every day you need to accept that here are a lot of fluctuations over the course of a week and just look at the trend
Personally I weigh every day (morning and night) but it is more out of interest. My mood is not affected by these normal fluctuations. If these impact your mood and how you face the day be it a fast or non fast day I suggest you put the scales away!
At the same time I also chose some jeans as a gage of my weight loss and that was the most motivating of all

Papayasoup Fri 10-Jan-14 16:00:56

Thanks toffee

Eatriskier Fri 10-Jan-14 16:08:07

Lots of running around happening here today. Not just in dd's chase me game. Ds has discovered how to get on the sofa. This means every time I leave the living room I have to run, do whatever I need to quickly and leg it back. I have found him on top of the cupboard next to the sofa too. He's bloody quick. I'm going to have to bring him into the toilet with me aren't I? Now I'm going to have 2 of them staring at me throughout peeing. sad

CuckooAtchooUhOh Fri 10-Jan-14 16:18:06

Gecko a few points...

This could really turn your life around so don't let anything dishearten you to the point of giving up.
This is a 5:2 thread, not specific to people with more than a certain amount to lose, so yes, you will find all sorts of cases on here.
I do understand what you mean, but bear in mind two things... some of those with only a little left to go are at the end of a long weight loss journey; and also, a lot I imagine, are here for the typical post Christmas weight loss frenzy and will start to drop off over the coming weeks as they either reach goal, or lose interest.

You have too much to lose, and everything to gain (by losing!), so I suggest going through (if haven't already) the inspirational thread and seeking out those names you can identify with. You will soon build relationships with those you feel you have common ground with and it will help you massively!

Good luck!!

luciangal1 Fri 10-Jan-14 16:22:04

Good afternoon all, Have been eyeing you all for a while now but haven't taken the time to full integrate myself on what seems to be a very friendly bunch! so can I join in? I've been doing 5:2 since October of last year, when on holiday also with Christmas I'm looking forward to getting the final stone(s) off! I gym everyday apart from weekends and do a combination of cardio and weights. My stats: 5' 2, weight 157lbs, looking to get to around the 135lbs mark .

TheBitchesOfWeestick Fri 10-Jan-14 16:22:10

MrsF your poor DD sad UTIs are the pits. Hope she feels better soon.

Took DD to her dance class this morning, so sweet to see all the toddlers bouncing about. I joined in with everything grin

Venison stew for tea tonight, and it appears to be only 277 calories per portion! Which is good because I want to drink wine.

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 16:23:31

To the new people with a fair bit to lose (8 stone some of you say).

I've lost 6 stone now. I lost that more than twice. First after DD was born and then now again after DS (2.5 years old now). And during the journey this time I slipped up last autumn (fell Dukan wagon) and regained 2 stone hmm.

I've still got another half stone to go.

Not all of it on 5:2 but I've tried lots of different diets and always happy to tell you my tale. grin

Hopasholic Fri 10-Jan-14 16:34:07

Hello everyone, I'm more of a lurker but have been 5:2ing for a year now. Went to maintenance after loosing two stone but I'm trying once agin to loose half a stone after I gained over Christmas. sad took my eye off the ball and drank far too much wine

Anyway just wanted to give you heads up that I've just seen that Dr Michael Mosely himself is in for a live web chat on MN on Monday. It's related to his 'Fast' exercise programme rather than fasting, but thought it might be of interest smile

CuckooAtchooUhOh Fri 10-Jan-14 16:34:55

Oh and sorry if I totally misunderstood your post! Just gone back and re read so now I'm not sure if I did or not?!
I'm blaming being ill, head like cotton wool, sorry if I did!

Still valid points though for anyone it does apply to smile

Slow cookers - I love mine, can't beat bunging a load of root veg, pack of mince and sprinkle of herbs, s&p, bit of liquid, first thing in day. Make up some dumplings and pop on top 20 mins before serving. Serve with chunks of butter slathered crusty bread. Perfect Irish stew.

Am sooooo hungry! Need Toffee to send me a meal. I've got to drag my sorry arse to kitchen to feed the troups soon. Not so appealing with a banging head and stiff body sad

Oh and quick rant to iphone keyboard ... Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!!!!!! Why does it change every single effing word!!!!!

Eatriskier Fri 10-Jan-14 16:36:50

gecko don't feel disheartened. Grab this opportunity to change things. I've lost over 5.5stone on this alone and it's been easy. OK it's taken a bit of effort but compared to some things it's been a breeze. And I want to carry on fasting even though I've got to my target, because it makes me feel better.

morris you made a point about eating to tdee and not having to fast a while back didn't you? In theory that should work. Though I think most people tend to end up wanting to stick with fasting once it's been successful. My reasons for continuing it is that it's the only thing that's made a difference to my pernicious anaemia symptoms. And that for me is worth more than the weight loss.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 10-Jan-14 17:16:07

eatriskier - watch the company when in the loo. When I had a 18 month, 2.5 and 4.5 year olds I took the middle one in with me and locked the door. Locked us in. Oldest one due to be picked up from school and a free range toddler. He got me out! DH took the lock off and now I never lock myself in anywhere. For a long time I took the phone to the loo with me!

Papayasoup - These are what you get when you look in Amazon. 75 pages of them!

A 5:2 slow cooker book. I don't have it.

I Have This One.

I also have this and it is good.

Two books from Lakeland. Mine doesn't seem to be on there any more but I suspect these two have the same or similar recipes.

CuckooAtchooUhOh Fri 10-Jan-14 17:23:39

Msdunny Hello & Welcome!

Wow! 7lbs that's brill! thanks cake

My first ever 3 fd resulted in 5lb loss and it certainly helps to get you going mentally, even if it is largely water weight and bloat. I haven't looked back and am a stone of my 4+ stone to lose, in.

Care to share a little more about yourself, your current stats and where you want to get to as well as motives for 5:2??

TalkinPeace Fri 10-Jan-14 17:38:23

Gecko
I'll let you in on the secret of this way of eating and why so many of us stick to it.
You have rather more to lose than I do
BUT
On a Monday our calorie allowance and meal plans are identical
We are all in the same boat - tummies rumbling before our main meal.
And that is how it will stay.
I see no reason to stop fasting and therefore those of us who are old hands know exactly how you feel on those two days a week.

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 17:41:15

Oh cuckoo big hugs and get well soon!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 10-Jan-14 17:45:15

Cuckoo if you were near me I would definitely send you a meal and mixed berry muffins to finish.

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 17:48:16

Thanks 'papaya'! They're totally worth it...but I miss my old clothes so much!

Was it big choc about the high BMI/beginner exercises on other thread? Cheers, will check 'em out.

Um...you know what's weird, despite what the scales say (shocking still) I don't feel like I'm in that club, know what I mean?

I don't have to shop in special shops, as if that matters, I don't have any actual weight-related health worries or any other health worries (besides psoraisis and wibbly post-preg ligaments) no diabetes problems, no breathlessness etc etc. I feel pretty healthy really, just fat. The idea that I'd have to do special high bmi exercises is shocking to me even if it's true! (though I'm not sure it is).
I don't struggle with any of my many daily activities, there's no chaffing or waddling...I think the word obese has floored me as I associate it with those poor giant Americans who can't get out their houses. Not me, I'm just a chubster...yeah, right, with ONLY 100lbs to lose...<waves at gecko>

AND I'm 'only' a size 18! How do I weigh this much...am I lead-lined? Anyhoo, am dealing with it now, regardless of the words I use to describe myself.

Thanks again for all the support everyone. I'll bend your lugs less soon, fear not, I don't intend to dominate the conversation forever!

TalkinPeace Fri 10-Jan-14 17:48:49

RAvenousRunner
re office drinks .....
the easy way to not eat any of the crisps or nibbles ....
ask yourself how well each of your colleagues washed their hands before dipping their fingers into the bowl
you'll never touch a works biscuit tin again with that thought planted in your head grin

RavenousRunner Fri 10-Jan-14 17:52:02

tip Oh...oh! Oh no! It's bad enough that there are stacks of magazines in the loos! That's killed my craving entirely. Thanks.

That said, I bet they do a better job than my sons, and I share snacks with them. It'll be individual bowls for the popcorn tonight.

MazzleDazzle Fri 10-Jan-14 17:58:52

I will weigh myself tomorrow morning (last FD of this week) and then I swear I will not weigh myself until the morning after my last FD day next week.

Thank you to everyone who has offered their support.

FD today and zero cal so far. Had my first FD workout too and I felt fine.

After reading about 'big girl' press-ups on here I really went for it today and after years of thinking I can only manage my knees, I managed a few real ones! Not huge ones, but it's a start. I'm committed to giving them a bash everyday.

Welcome to all the new folk on here. You have the help and support of the fabulous fasters on this thread to guide you!

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 18:04:52

zedzed me too! When I was BMI 36 I felt absolutely fine. Fit, healthy, no struggle with chaffing thighs and getting out of breath etc. I didn't feel fat at all. Yes, it was annoying that I couldn't dress in exactly what I wanted (I like small, independent designers who simply don't do size 12+) so I wasn't happy with my personal style (I felt a bit frumpy) but I was confident in my skn and my DH still fancied the pants off me despite being half my size and very fit. For me it was and is all about my future health. Seeing my overweight mother and her overweight friends and family members living physically compromised lives in their 60s when they had led healthy but overweight lives in their 40s and even 50s... well, that's been the eye-opener for me: I had my DD in my late 30s and need to be healthy for her future as well as mine. But yeah, I hear you on feeling fine whilst being overweight smile

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 18:08:29

Well done on all the weight losses this week, especially all the newcomers!

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 18:09:46

Folks, this weekend I will get DH to take my updated BMI 21 "after" photo. I will wear a vest and have the photo taken outside brrrr grin.

Geckos48 Fri 10-Jan-14 18:13:46

Oh it doesnt dishearten me to know I have more to lose than most, I just think that having a separate support group for people with a lot to lose would be helpful smile

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 18:23:39

gecko i know what you mean, but I personally like the mixture and especially the former biggies who are now maintaining/approaching their long-term goals. It gives me hope for the possibilities of achieving AND sustaining this.

I've over 100lbs so I'm here for the long haul like you. X

MazzleDazzle Fri 10-Jan-14 18:41:49

Snap Bsshbossh!

I want to live to 100! Far too many of my family have died prematurely.

DottiestDoris Fri 10-Jan-14 19:33:05

Evenin' all!

Just catching up with the thread while bf my son to sleep. I love smart phones!

Cuckoo-hope you feel better soon-there's so many nasty bugs around. Tough when you have to stay strong for the troops.

And Mrs F-Big cuddles for your dd, how nasty for a tot to have to deal with that.

Well I owe several of you a very largewine because I felt RUBBISH after my first fd. I woke in the night thinking I might actually have flu. 2nd fd today and I drank roughly my body weight in water, as per your collective advise, and I feel energetic, happy and unhungry. I haven't eaten anywhere near what I thought I'd have to.
So those who've missed the wise words of those experienced 5:2ers...DRINK WATER!
Thank you all for taking the time to advise us newbies.

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 19:37:11

Bsssh Missed your post earlier, thanks and yeah, what you said! I lost my Dad when I was first pregnant 3 yrs ago, heart attack at 67 (he was an alcoholic and heavy smoker) so having quit the fags myself when I got preggo (never looking back), yeah, I don't want my kids to lose me so soon, even if I'm feeling fat but fine now.

But I also REALLY don't want my daughter to be fat-shamed by her Mum the way I was or to have the same food and body issues as me, so I have to sort this pattern quick before she starts noticing Mummy's yo-yo-ing or self-loathing!

Keep stalking your photos. Wow. Amazing work there.

curveballs Fri 10-Jan-14 20:04:23

Hi all. Just reading all the messages regarding wanting to do this for health benefits. I have a lot of weight to lose but ultimately the health side is my main motivator.

My step father is overweight and has smoked for years. After nearly dying of pneumonia last April, he was then diagnosed with kidney cancer in July, last week he was told that it is inoperable and he has 6-12 months left yet.

My ds is just 2.5. He loves grandad. I absolutely do not want to have the same health problems and my ds to go through this with me. I am doing this for my ds.

On a positive note, it may only be 2lb, but I have lost 2lb after my first two FDs and I'm chuffed - as every lb counts!!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 10-Jan-14 20:25:33

Well done curveballs!! 2lbs is a really good start.

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 20:28:33

curve so sad to hear about your dad. thanks to you.

curveballs Fri 10-Jan-14 20:32:26

Thanks guys.

MazzleDazzle Fri 10-Jan-14 20:33:16

Know how that feels zed. Lost my dad fairly recently. He was 52. I was 7 months pregnant. It is with me every day.

Also the fat shaming from my mother too.

(((( hugs ))))

But we're making a change! And for all the right reasons.

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 20:36:45

Oh curve that's so shite for you and your boy, sorry.

Mazzle we're a sad, sorry bunch eh? Bloody Mothers.

Hurrah for curve's 2lbs to cheer us up!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 10-Jan-14 20:37:27

blush so sorry curveballs. I missed the bit about your father. My post seems so ridiculous now. Apologies.

MazzleDazzle Fri 10-Jan-14 20:37:38

Gosh curveballs just read your last post properly. So sorry for you and well done for tackling this WOE at such a horrendous time.

My eldest was 2 when she lost her grandfather, so I understand a bit of what you're going through. It's their loss that is harder to bear.

There's nothing I can say that will make it any better, I know. Take care of yourself xx

MazzleDazzle Fri 10-Jan-14 20:39:08

Toffee I did the same. Didn't read the whole post properly either. blush

curveballs Fri 10-Jan-14 21:11:23

Thanks for kind words. It's not easy news to deal with, but just something to come to terms with.

You guys are a supportive bunch, so glad I stumbled across this thread. Here's to us all, with 5:2 and healthier lifes' grin

BetsyBell Fri 10-Jan-14 21:25:32

I don't know if Lucyinthesky is around - I've just seen your post on the inspirations thread, and well, it's inspirational! You have done so well flowers

Go see www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/1908144-The-Inspirational-5-2-Thread

Coveredinweetabix Fri 10-Jan-14 21:35:27

I can't keep up with you all.

Curve - I am sorry to hear your news. Your son can continue to have some wonderful times with his grandad over the next few months and build up some wonderful memories.

Mrs F - my DD had a lot of UTIs a few months ago. I now pay a lot more attention to how much she drinks, have taught her to look at her wee and ask off a drink if it's yellow and, most importantly I think, revised how to wiped her bottom. She was using the same bit of loo paper for both front & back & would often wipe from back to front which must have contributed to it. Touch wood, she's been OK for a while now.

when to weigh questions - I weigh every morning, just after I've done a wee & taken my PJs off. I take my official weight as Saturday morning as that is after my third fast of the week. During the week my weight will fluctuate as I tend to lose a lb on a fast day and then put most of it on on a NFD but, gradually, over the course of a week, those little losses mount up and by a Saturday I will have a loss. It may not be a whole lb and rarely the 2lbs I dream of, but it will still be a loss. Unless its TOTM.

I've had a roller coaster of a week it feels with this WOE. I can't believe how much it feels as though I am completely starting again when I had thought that the behaviour was completely ingrained. Neither DC has slept well this week so there have been a minimum of four interruptions a night and some of them have lasted the best part of an hour so sleep deprivation isn't helping. The lowest point was at 5am on Wednesday morning when I woke up starving despite Tuesday being a NFD! Wednesday was a FD and I was really nervous but, by keeping busy in the morning, I got through the day on about 700 cals.

Two big NSVs for me (provided I can stick to them)
- I do not need to buy chocolate when it is on offer. Yes a pack of 4 crunchies for £1 is a bargain when an individual crunchie is about 65p but we are not breadline and I do not actually need to worry about the price difference. Also, it may appear a bargain as I have four of them but I do not need four of them. I just need one at TOTM and therefore have actually spent 35p more than I would have done if I'd just bought 4. These offers are continuous. If I ever have to ebf a newborn, I will indulge. Until then, lay off. Same goes for best before today cakes etc marked down in the supermarket. Why would I need 5 apple doughnuts?
- I need to learn to stick to my TDEE on NFD. If I overeat consistently on these, then the weight will pile on when I move to maintenance.

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 21:45:36

Everyone thanks so much for all your kind wishes for poor DD thanksthanks

She hasn't been well today. After the second dose of AB she perked up a teeny bit. Fingers crossed she won't be in pain tomorrow. I'm wincing just thinking about it.

She has acquired this UTI because she withholds poo and some times wee. I'm way beyond sticker charts etc. we're into big time bribery. Like a moshi monster and a 5p for her jar every time she poos. She already has every Little miss and mr Men book as they were used as toilet bribery. sad

I've learnt lots of 4yo go through it. Still it makes me feel awful especially now its actually made her unwell.

Zed The high BMI-health issues exercises probably are not for you. I intended them for people exercising for the first time since school.
Choose something you think you can do, but that will stretch you.

I know an obese woman about your size, who runs marathons at age 60+. Ok, it takes her 7 hrs, but no way she isn't pretty fit and a damn site healthier than a 25 BMI couch potato.

The best indicator of life expectancy is the ability to do exercise, rather than a particular BMI or even %body fat.
You can be healthy well in advance of reaching your goal weight.

ErrolTheDragon Fri 10-Jan-14 21:52:52

My DH has started 5:2 this week too - not sure how he'll do with it, he's a bit of a carbo addict - his DM was a type II diabetic so I think he knows he really needs to do something about it. But he's got some other health issues too ... he probably should have talked it over with a doctor but you know what men are like.

Still, he did ok Tuesday and today - helped by me giving him the TDEE calculator and telling him to try for a quarter of that, so 700 rather than 600 which I think really wasn't enough for him.

His idea of FD food is rather fabulous! As we're going to save money on all the odd teashop cakes and lunches out we'd been indulging in, he went to the farm shop and got 4 fillet steaks - he had one at lunchtime (don't know what with) and then for dinner I did stirfry veg (with some noodles and Chinese sauce for DD) he cooked the steaks - result we got excellent low-calorie dinner, fussy DD got more veg and protein than she'll usually eat. Its an NFD for me but I didn't want the noodles shock.

Oh dear I've eaten nearly 1000 calories too many today, started and couldn't stop!

How can I claw it back folks? [Sad]

I wouldn't want to split 5:2 main support into different groups.
We are a great mix of people; we benefit so much from our interaction:

-women / men
-age range early 20s to 76
-mums / not
-straight / gay
-newbies / old hands
-those with a lot / little to lose
-gym bunnies / just dipping a toe into their first Nikes.

Also, those with just the last few lb can plateau forever, while those wanting to lose several stone just whizz along.

Main thing is we're doing 5:2 together !

Really good to hear several people are doing 5:2 with their DPs /DHs.
It must make meal planning so easy.
A bit of healthy competition too, I expect !

Did you persuade them, or did they find it themselves, or even introduce you to it ?

Lilliput Fri 10-Jan-14 22:13:09

I started this week after reading the book but just want to check I am doing it right. My fast days this week were Wednesday and today. On both I had my usual evening meal the night before and then on FD had a cup of tea at breakfast, nothing to eat until between 12 and 1 I had a bowl of berries and a yoghurt. Dinner at about 7 consisting of mostly veg. This means that in theory overnight and til lunchtime I have a food free period of 16/17 hours.
So far I have coped with the hunger if busy though the water bubbling tummy rumbles were a bit embarrassing today at work.

Lilliput Fri 10-Jan-14 22:14:32

Oh, obviously I stick to the 500 calories on FD and have been weighing stuff and using my fitness pal.

ErrolTheDragon Fri 10-Jan-14 22:27:06

>Did you persuade them, or did they find it themselves, or even introduce you to it ?

Does persuading a DH/DP to change their lifestyle ever work?

Mine observed me - cheerfully having just tea sometimes when we stopped at the café in the park while he needed cake or lunch, and he may have noticed the 'fast diet' book atop the stack in the loo. Not sure if he's read it. And then again he reads the Times which has loads of stuff about it from time to time.

TalkinPeace Fri 10-Jan-14 22:29:13

Mummytowillow
easy
skip two glasses of wine at the weekend
job done

Lili Sounds good. You are having plenty of veg and I presume enough protein to keep hunger at bay.
You will soon tune 5:2 to fit your lifestyle and find your preferred FD meal plan to keep hunger controlled.

zedzedzed Fri 10-Jan-14 22:31:20

Some stupid/hopeful maths before bedtime: so...apparently it takes about a 3,500 calorie deficit to lose 1lb.

My TDEE is 2264, x 7 days = 15,848 (my weekly allowance to maintain fatness as is)

So far I seem to be eating between 1,600 and 2,000 of my TDEE on NFDs and under 300 on FDs.

That would add up to a weekly total of between 8,600 and 10,600.

That's a deficit of between 5,248 and 7,248 cals.

Divided by the magic 1lb=3,500 should equal a weekly loss of between 1.49 and 2.07lbs

Yeah. In theory. Let's see shall we!

Night all.

TalkinPeace Fri 10-Jan-14 22:34:30

FWIW
I do read the whole thread but I cannot respond to every post
if nothing else because as a long term maintainer I think its more useful if those still losing weight support newcomers
but please, do not ever think we are still not watching and supporting.

If you read through threads you'll see I have an emphasis
pop my (or any long standing posters) name in bold in your post and we will respond

you newcomers cannot possibly realise how good it feels to me to see Toffee, Florrick and Cuckoo among those advising you thanksthanksthanksthanks

Lilliput Fri 10-Jan-14 22:34:41

I think I need to work on more protein because fruit and veg does make my tummy bubble a bit. I am kind of avoiding carbs in my 500 allowance. I am also anxious about non fast days especially since my next fast day is probably not til Wednesday next week. I feel like I will have undone the good work of the fast days this week by then.

Msdunny Fri 10-Jan-14 22:52:41

CuckooAtchooUhoh hi thanks for the welcome! I realised I was too excited about my loss that I forgot to put on stats and say much else! blush
5'2 start weight was 11st 13 Ib and after 4 fasts 11st 9, and calorie counting on nfd's has helped me to educate myself on portion control and realised I was living on sugary teas and coffees and too much olive oil! Lol
I love the fact I don't feel so bloated now. I know it mostly water at the start but it certainly does give you a boost! grin
Looking forward to joining in on this journey with you all

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 23:01:58

TIP grinthanksthanks

To the new people. I luffs TIP. Amongst many on here she has been an amazing support through my weight loss journey and personal as well.

And not forgetting my pals Bigchoc cuckoo and toffee. Always there if you need a chat.

If you need sensible advice Bssh Eatrisker Betsy and Earslaps are here.

blush I've had some winegrin

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 23:08:28

mummytowillow you went over by 1000? In my book, that's no biggie - on weekends I've regularly gone over by double that and my TDEE is around 2k. I just adjust the rest of the week by skipping a meal here and there or simply eating less overall. It's life so you just balance it out.

BigChoc my DH started 6:1 soon after I started 5:2. He has no weight to lose but we chatted loads about it (I shared all the research with him) and he's convinced by the science of fasting. He's a science by training (PhD) like you and a lawyer by trade and is ultra rational so his continued enthusiasm for fasting after 11 months keeps me going too.

BsshBossh Fri 10-Jan-14 23:08:52

*scientist

EarSlaps Fri 10-Jan-14 23:13:10

Not surprised you need the wine MrsF, hope dd, and consequently you, sleep better tonight. Haven't seen you on the JM thread for a bit. Are those new guinea pigs disrupting your exercise.

NFD here but skipped breakfast. Made a cake with the toddler and homemade nasi goreng and a glass of wine tonight. Got croissants for breakfast tomorrow- I always like to have a fancy breakfast on the weekend, usual pancakes or croissants.

Having our kitchen done soon, we'll be three weeks without a kitchen. Be interesting to see whether that makes me lose weight (eating less) or gain (takeaways).

BetsyBell Fri 10-Jan-14 23:15:10

I must admit I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread while it's travelling at high speed but I do look through frequently and will always respond to my name in bold!

Also, if anyone has introduced themselves and not received a response, please don't be put off - we are friendly but it's hard to keep up (see above grin ), just keep posting!

Great to see the thread so busy and for so many people jumping to offer fab advice to new starters.

Oh and anyone who's worried about asking too many questions or whatever (zed I'm looking at you!) Don't, because in a few weeks you'll be dishing out the advice like a seasoned pro, because that's what you'll be.

flowers all round.

MrsFlorrick Fri 10-Jan-14 23:16:30

Earslaps. I've only done my JM workouts 3 times this week. So I am too blush to show my face on Bigchocs workout thread wink

Fingers crossed next week will be more productive.

Papayasoup Fri 10-Jan-14 23:16:41

toffee thanks for the book recommendations.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Fri 10-Jan-14 23:21:11

Sorry about your dad curve that's going to be tough for you and your son sad

dottiest glad your 2nd fast day went better. I'm going to try and drink more on my fast days too.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Fri 10-Jan-14 23:23:08

Thanks TIP thanks struggling to keep up with the thread too.

Lili Many of us avoid fruit on an FD. Yes, I know it's healthy and low-cal, but it can upset an empty tum or spike the blood sugar levels and make you ravenous.
Eat plenty of veg with sufficient protein. Chunky soups and stews make a good lunch. Just choose low cal ones so you have enough cals for a supper - ready meals are ok.
Have your fruit on NFDs and relax.

MrsF Come and confess your sins on the exercise thread. We'll encourage you, via a gentle supportive kick in the arse, to do more next week.
smile

hopefulgum Fri 10-Jan-14 23:50:53

I am really struggling to keep up with the thread as I read just once a day, and so don't really comment on what everyone else is talking about. But I do enjoy all the support and information, so I keep coming back and skim reading.I don't intentionally ignore what everyone is talking about.

Up thread, others were talking about doing the 5:2 to have good health, particularly later in life and with family histories of illness. I am also doing it for those reasons, (plus am tired of being overweight, and would love for once, to feel really good in my own skin, to put on clothes and feel they hang right and that I look nice. I actually over spend on clothing because I am always looking for something that looks and feels good, but am never satisfied because of my body size and shape).

My parents have a laundry list of illnesses and medications. Everyt ime I speak to my mother I hear all about everything that is wrong with her and my dad. It is so depressing, so I rarely call her (we have other issues too). The crazy thing is she was always shaming me about my weight as a child,and I got great praise when I dieted and lost weight. It's sad, I think my first diet was when I was 10 years old sad

Anyway, my DH and I have 5 children and had our last one in our forties, so we really feel it is very,very important to stay healthy so that we can be around to see him grow up, be there to support him when/if he has a family of his own. My DH's parents are also unwell. FIL has skin cancer and has limited time, and MIL has had a stroke and cognitively isn't doing very well.)

As I said yesterday, I had a NSV of inches lost grin and funnily enough, after a second weigh in (first weigh-in was depressing - no change), had lost 900gms - nearly a kilo (1.9lbs)! Hurray!
But then I had a huge blow-out as I was busy cooking all day (and tasting) for a dinner we had with friends last night. I also drank about 4 glasses of moscato/sparkling shiraz/reisling!

The dessert I made was a triump. I made chocolate hazelnut gelato and pistachio gelato, served with almond meringues and sugared hazelnuts. OMG! It was divine!

So I reckon I went well over TDEE, and plan to go low today to make up for it. Next fast day is Monday, though, if there's nothing going on I might do it tomorrow as on Monday I am taking the kids to swimming lessons and could have a big swim (which I cannot manage on a fast day).

This WOE is really taking off isn't it? We invited two couples over last night, and all of them are doing 5:2 too.

Breadandwine Sat 11-Jan-14 01:15:44

In the 15 months I've been on these threads, this is the fastest they have moved, which I find very heartening!

The best thing about this WOL - apart from the mantra 'You can always have it tomorrow' - is its flexibility. So, for anyone who is worried that several NFDs on the trot might undermine the gains from FDs, you can always throw in a 16:8 - miss breakfast, or miss breakfast and lunch either side of a planned or an unplanned binge.

somewherebecomingrain Sat 11-Jan-14 06:43:26

This thread has gone too fast for me for ages!

somewherebecomingrain Sat 11-Jan-14 06:48:25

And everyone ignores me! But I'm presuming that's the rapid speed plus the fact that I don't name check much because of the speed plus I'm in a breastfeeding situation which most aren't.

Talking of which my dd has done a ninja move and is bf all night so things have taken a step back.

I am wondering if the breakfast manufacturers are quaking in their boots about 5:2

Xx

BetsyBell Sat 11-Jan-14 07:00:14

We seem to have loads of BFeeders at the moment somewhere! Any tips to pass on the those newer starters? There should be a dedicated thread for it really but I suspect you're all a bit busy for that!

All night eh hmm growth spurt?

BetsyBell Sat 11-Jan-14 07:02:46

I hope that about the sugared cardboard flake industry too somewhere! I expect they'll be a lot more marketing to kids as a result...

BetsyBell Sat 11-Jan-14 07:07:11

I like to read your nightly (for me!) musings gum. I remember drooling when I heard about your gelato making - I'd love the recipe if possible, sounds divine. Can't believe all your guests were 5:2ing! Do you think everyone ate more because it was guilt free? Or was everyone suddenly too full because of shrunken stomachs?!

DottiestDoris Sat 11-Jan-14 07:15:59

MORNING SOMEWHERE.
How old is your dd? I remember my ebf ds1 had a sleep setback at about 5 months. It's so much worse after they have been sleeping ok. Anyway, I started to introduce solids and we eventually got our sleep back.
ds2 is ebf and 12 weeks and sleeping ok, touch wood. How old is yours?
How many calories have you been eating in fd for the bf?
Whenshewasbad is bf too

mummyof2girlsx Sat 11-Jan-14 07:17:57

somewherebecomingrain you are not alone, everyone ignores me too! grin. Therefore I mostly lurk in the back ground and try to keep up with the speedy thread! How old is your DD? x

hopefulgum Sat 11-Jan-14 07:27:08

Hi Betsy, I am actually popping back onto the thread for a second time today!

I put all my food into MFP for yesterday and it wasn't too bad, only 200 over my TDEE (which I actually have a bit under anyway),so I don't think there's too much damage. A NSV for me was that I ate half a T-bone steak, where before I'd have eaten a whole one.

All my guests have been 5:2-ing for about a year, and they all seem to eat a reasonable amount, but not pigging out. To me it was a reasonably normal meal, though I don't normally start with crackers and dip, and don't drink alcohol much, and don't do dessert, but the main meal: meat,salad and roast potatoes, wasn't too over the top.It's all the extras that add up the calories.

One good thing about MFP is it spurs me on to exercise. When I see that I've burnt calories, which then equates into more food, I am very motivated!hmm

Somewhere - those sleepless nights are a killer. I hope you can get some rest in the day? I remember my babies doing similar things - often it was a growth spurt or teething. How old is your L.O now? I am still trying, in the 2ww now, but really starting to think it is time to move on.Isn't easy though...sad

Anyway, for you Betsy and anyone else who'd like a calorie bomb to enjoy. Totally worth it in my opinion!

Gelati recipes:

this recipe makes a lovely creamy gelato and is very easy. It is also delicious as a custard (Mmmm)

The pistachio gelato required a bit more work - I made the paste to start, and didn't seem as creamy as the other one, but very yummy.

frenchfancy Sat 11-Jan-14 08:02:32

Thanks hopeful they look great.

LilyJoAndMe Sat 11-Jan-14 08:15:51

Morning all,
Oldies and Newbies alike. I'll be thinking about you during my NFD. Looking forward to catching up on the news a bit later today ... On thread 36 by the way things went yesterday ?

zedzedzed Sat 11-Jan-14 08:16:31

Mmmmmm gelati...thanks hope

First ever weekend NFD today. Yay! Let's see what happens,will be having a rare baby-free night tonight to go to the cinema <she says,Googling butterkist calories>

Something odd's happening, I know it's early days but on my NFDs, with all that freedom, I'm actually only eating between 1500 and 1800 of my TDEE and seem to fancy more protein than carbs. InconCEIvable!

Firstly, is that number ok? Will it mess me up?
And secondly, is that because of decreased appetite/shrunken stomach?

All very interesting (to me, not the rest of the world!).

Right. Butterkist.

zedzedzed Sat 11-Jan-14 08:25:00

WOAH! 200g of toffee Butterkist is over 850cals. Think I'd rather have a drink or three!

Darnley Sat 11-Jan-14 08:27:48

Wow. So much to read since my post...

Thanks for the replies and the info. Think I will continue to weigh in daily as a check on progress.

Getting dh to do this aswell was easy as we are both at risk of some serious health issues and the time felt right. We are hoping to retire soon and want to be able to enjoy it for a long time and do lots of travelling.

Going to friends tonight for pizza and a film. No doubt some wine will be consumed, so already planning on 4:3 next week as balance.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 11-Jan-14 08:34:12

Morning all smile.

Will catch up later. Head spinning at the moment as I am waiting to ring the vet as BoyCat is limping still, he started last night and hasn't slept it off. DS2 just came in and said he looks wonky. I would cry. We lost our cat and two guinea pigs in 6 months last year and I don't want any more worry.

I am fat this morning and scales confirmed what I could see. 2lbs on. I know it isn't much but what always happens is happening again. I lose a stone. stick for a while then start going up.

Wish BoyCat healthy vibes for me please. He is only 2 sad.

DottiestDoris Sat 11-Jan-14 08:47:36

Toffee - Get well Boycat. They're made of stern stuff these critters. He'll be absolutely fine im sure

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 11-Jan-14 08:58:07

Thanks DottiestDotty. Nearly time I can ring.

Mummyof2girls and Somewhere - honestly no one ignores anyone on here smile. The threads just move so fast and it is hard to keep up.

mscnile Sat 11-Jan-14 09:00:36

Morning all, regretting the excesses of the last 2 days here! Never mind, I will 16:8 today and tomorrow and fast on Monday so should be back on track. I love that about this woe, I don't get the sense of despair or deprivation that other weight loss plans give.

Toffee, hope boycat is ok, we have 2 who are always getting into scrapes, I'm sure he'll be fine. We have to take puppy to vet this pm though, poorly tum.

Like lots of people I can't keep up with all the posts here but good luck, well done and keep it up to you all!

BsshBossh Sat 11-Jan-14 09:04:59

zedzed if you're generally undereating your TDEE because of shrunken appetite that's perfectly fine IMHO as eating according to physical appetite is normal healthy eating behaviour. But it does mean you can eat a 200g pack of Butterkist popcorn if you fancy it grin.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 11-Jan-14 09:07:06

Got the last appointment for 2.40pm.

Hope your puppy is okay mscnile.

Southeastdweller Sat 11-Jan-14 09:08:51

Welcome to the many newcomers this week and I also can't fully keep up with everyone but anyone starting out, please do keep reading as much as you can because these threads are great for motivation smile.

BsshBossh Sat 11-Jan-14 09:24:34

My Before and After profile photos are updated finally:
www.mumsnet.com/Profile?nick=BsshBossh&photos=p

Waswondering Sat 11-Jan-14 09:26:09

Hi, have been lurking since new year. I have done 3 FDs now, and weighed myself before the first, and again today, 9 days on (FDs were thurs, mon, thurs).

I have lost nothing! (In fact, the scales may have crept a littlr in the wrong direction.

I have been really careful on FDs, managing them well. On non fast days, have eaten sensibly, and I thought within TDEE.

What am I doing wrong? Feeling discouraged.

MazzleDazzle Sat 11-Jan-14 09:27:58

Broke 35 hour LOF at half 8 this morning with 2 slices of toast.

NSV: I now start every day with a wee bit of exercise, a coffee and a water. Most days, that's all I need.

Reading everyone else's posts really keeps me going and I love to hear about all the other stuff going on in your lives. I am currently potty training my youngest. It is not going well, she is rather stubborn, but hey ho! We'll get there in the end.

Southeastdweller Sat 11-Jan-14 09:30:34

Was Did you log your calorie intake on NFD's or was it noted in your head?

MazzleDazzle Sat 11-Jan-14 09:30:35

WasWondering take you measurements! Apparently lots of 5:2ers see a marked diff. in inches rather than pounds.

Also, weigh yourself once a week only she tells herself first thing in the morning, after you've been to the loo. Oh, and naked!

Waswondering Sat 11-Jan-14 09:32:32

Thanks, I didn't get the tape measure out, and it know to weigh in weekly (waiting for Saturday as easier to do it then than during week/school run etc.)

Waswondering Sat 11-Jan-14 09:35:25

South, in my head.

Eg Thursday I had a coffee and tea with dash of milk, half a carton of soup, then half a pack of brown rice (so about 150 or so?) with a ver small chicken breast and veg.

Is that too much?

zedzedzed Sat 11-Jan-14 09:35:42

Poor toffee's cat. Hope you get good news, it's such a worry when they're poorly.

Thanks bsssh yeah, I'm always wary of setting up that whole starvation thing as it's been my undoing before, but I guess as all I'm doing is counting the cals not actively limiting them...just not feeling too piggy for some reason...hopefully like you say, it'll be ok. See how it goes re Butterkist!

Toffee cat woes aside, I know I'm new but 2lbs seems a very small amount to me compared to your huge achievements, and is probably just a wee blip and I guess a couple of mindful days and you'll be back on track?It's so hard no to feel shite when it's up not down though eh...I won't have scales in the house as I'm not good with bad weigh-ins.

Fingies crossed for good cat health. X

Not2bObvious Sat 11-Jan-14 09:37:49

Wow Bssh it's like looking at a different woman.
WasWondering you worked out your tdee? Are you tracking your cals/sure you have the right portion sizes? Have you noticed any slight change in how your clothes fit. It's only been 1 week''ish, don't despair or get discouraged. This is the only program I've ever followed that worked and it worked cause I just kept at it, yes it's not fast but fast never worked for me after the first few pounds. Now, I'm going to drag my slightly more inflated post Xmas butt out of the bed and go for my first jog of the year!
Having a crap week but hey, there's no better alternative to this WOL, time to get back in the game. Have a good morning all. Day 2 of avoiding the scales since it gives me the rage, my skinny/stretchy jeans were marginally less stretched yesterday so I'm taking that as a good sign

zedzedzed Sat 11-Jan-14 09:38:05

Bsssh woah! You are proper fit now! WELL DONE YOU! You make me smile as you look so chuffed in the 2nd one!

Waswondering Sat 11-Jan-14 09:42:23

I thought there was a slight change, just so discouraged my scales.

Ok. Someone tell me about MFP. As I tend to cook from scratch, does it work?

Yes, had worked out TDEE from link on this page.

cathyandclaire Sat 11-Jan-14 09:45:35

Bssh you look amazing! Just right for your petite frame, well done!
Had two NFD here and am depressed how low my TDEE is ( short, small frame, near target) 1500 ish.... I definitely need to add more exercise into the mix <guiltily eyes trainers gathering dust in the cupboard>
Have indulgent couple of days away next week, so planning two low-ish 16:8 days in preparation.

EarSlaps Sat 11-Jan-14 09:49:24

MrsF- wrote a post earlier and it got lost. 3 lots of Jillian in a week is great, and it's three lots more exercise than most people do I a week. I've done my three lots of ripped for the week now and might try and squeeze in a killer tomorrow.

frenchfancy Sat 11-Jan-14 10:47:27

waswondering- you can still use MFP if you cook from scratch, though I sometimes use http://caloriecount.about.com instead as I prefer the recipe analyser on there.

I second using the tape measure instead of the scales, especially in the early days.

Not2bObvious Sat 11-Jan-14 11:17:53

I cook most food from scratch too WasW so I started to add my recipes in, takes a bit if time but if you're struggling to see why your efforts aren't paying off, it may help

Coveredinweetabix Sat 11-Jan-14 11:38:23

Yay! Back below 11st. Also means I have lost 6lbs of the 12lbs I put on over December so am on track to be about the same weight on 1st Feb as I was on 1st Dec. Then I can get on with losing the next couple of lbs and being a healthy BMI.
Good luck to anyone fasting today

MazzleDazzle Sat 11-Jan-14 11:47:49

Well done Covered!

Waswondering I cook from scratch and it's easy to work out cals. of things. Remember to weigh food and read packets where poss. as sometimes online calculators aren't accurate.

I have a pair of skinny, low waist cords that I use as a gauge. They have only been on a handful of times, and not at all in the last 18 months, as they NEVER close.

Tentatively tried them on today and they fit! I am delighted grin

frenchfancy Sat 11-Jan-14 12:31:00

Well done mazzle Feels good doesn't it!

Not2bObvious Sat 11-Jan-14 13:00:01

Delighted for you covered and also envy wink
In good'ish mood after 3.3 mile run (and walk) On a 16:8 today after a massive 2100 calories yesterday. I'm kinda in the humour to do some more working out, toying with the idea of a walk to the shopping centre if I can persuade my eldest to come with. She's a bit of a shopaholic, I could appeal to that side if hergrin
Mazzle that's a great boost, tangible proof you're on your way to a slimmer you! The scales can say whatever number but if you can't get into the clothes you want, what's the use? Sez she, scale' bitch extradinairewink

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sat 11-Jan-14 14:00:22

Hi somewhere and dottiest it's a really busy thread so people don't respond to all the posts. I might set up a 5:2 bf thread if this one stats so busy.

Having a fast day today so far only had 88 calories shock grin. I'm not using many though, I'm not feeling well so have taken ds to bed with me while dh plays with dd.

mazzle well done getting into your thin pants.

Waswondering Sat 11-Jan-14 14:19:03

Thanks all. I think there is a little off my waist measurement, and bits of me that I feel show gain/loss I feel are better. Was just sad by the scales.

Will persevere for a while longer and see how it goes, and will be stricter too on measuring portions!

Thanks.

Not2bObvious Sat 11-Jan-14 17:15:45

Where's everyone gone?? Are you all off having fun elsewhere?? I'm beginning to worry I'm seriously addicted to this thread if I'm concerned with lack of thread'age

BetsyBell Sat 11-Jan-14 17:27:17

................tumbleweed.............

Quiet in here today!

<waves to Not2>

Breastfeeders! Somewherebecomingrain springs to mind, argh, forgotten who else (I know you're already on there whenshewasbad- there's a 5:2 breastfeeding thread with questions on - maybe it would be a good place to pool your collective knowledge? There's a post on hints and tips somewhere I'll copy and paste in if I can find it.

TalkinPeace Sat 11-Jan-14 17:30:12

tee hee
enjoying the sunshine I guess

Geckos48 Sat 11-Jan-14 17:31:16

I am sat here waiting the final 6 minutes for my dinner to be ready.

Today I've had

2 small cups of tea with milk (around 30kcal)
A can of diet fanta 10kcal
A can of diet dr pepper 3kcal

And am just about to have smoked river cobbler with steamed veggies and a medium roasted sweet potato for tea.

TimeToPassGo Sat 11-Jan-14 17:33:22

Quiet?! You guys are a hoot! It has still been at the top of my TIO list all day grin

NSV: I am back in my normal jeans, not my 'fat' jeans. So far my hybrid WW / 5:2 approach is working. Another high points day today, hurrah!

ErrolTheDragon Sat 11-Jan-14 17:34:28

Enjoying the sunshite, yes indeed - a short (4mile) but quite hilly walk this afternoon, with DD carrying an 8kg pack - just bought it for DofE later this year so try it out. Including a thermos of tea for us an biscuits for the dog - nice to have a Sherpa. grin

ErrolTheDragon Sat 11-Jan-14 17:35:14

Er, sorry about the typo! the sun was not shite!

ImABadGirl Sat 11-Jan-14 17:48:39

Hi all, FD for me today as I had to swap my days around (love the flexibility of this woe) I gave blood yesterday and my iron was high, I have been taking berocca so hopefully I'm not missing out on vitamins and minerals (last time I tried to give blood I couldn't as my iron was too low)

Anyway, have managed to fast since 1530 yesterday so will keep going until tomorrow morning, that will be roughly 36 hours, my appetite has reduced massively and I'm just not hungry.

BsshBossh Sat 11-Jan-14 17:49:52

We were out all day too. Just back from a busy day at the Science & Natural History museums, including pizza, scampi, chips and ice cream for lunch. DH is making roast chicken for dinner tonight which we'll follow with a slice of tarte citron.

Geckos48 Sat 11-Jan-14 17:55:36

Comes up at 475 calories all in smile

Bit of butter but we used butter to cook the fish and then had that with the spuds!

Eatriskier Sat 11-Jan-14 17:58:11

Thanks to errol all I have going round my head is in the sunshite ala oasis...

I've been out at the football all day, being the feminine woman I am wink and now I have the bloody hiccups

DottiestDoris Sat 11-Jan-14 18:14:41

whenshewasbad that is really NOT a lot of calories! Even if I were laid up in bed I think I'd really struggle on that. You need energy to get better!
Anyway, I really hope you feel better soon. thanks

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sat 11-Jan-14 18:22:35

time well done getting into your normal jeans. I'm a bit new to the lingo but I'm guessing that's a non-scale victory.

Lilliput Sat 11-Jan-14 18:25:23

Talk to me about 16:8 please.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sat 11-Jan-14 18:25:44

Thanks dottiest I've eaten since then, had lots if soup which should help me clever better and a bit of dark chocolate which won't but it perked me up a bit

Ds is such a happy chap even when ill he's quite easy to look after, he's busy laughing at a light fitting at the moment. He has a real obsession with light fittings hmm

TalkinPeace Sat 11-Jan-14 18:28:04

lillipu
Basically its skipping breakfast!
eat only during an 8 hour window of each day
so no snacking and effectively doing a 16 hour fast every day
but the lunch and supper can be up to your TDEE

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 11-Jan-14 18:34:05

confused

I am sure I posted confused.

TalkinPeace Sat 11-Jan-14 18:34:54

you did, I saw it

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 11-Jan-14 18:37:56

I mean between that one ^ and the one this morning.

toffee <blows chocolatey good vibes to BoyCat>
Try not to worry. Sounds the feline equivalent of a twisted knee or pulled leg muscle. He may have misjudged a jump or got in a scrap with a bigger moggie over whose mouse it was.
Don't be disappointed about your 2lb either: Remember your water weight or <ahem> what is waiting to 'come out' or totm can cause up to 6lb fluctuation. See what happens over the next week.

Well done on your thin pants NSV, Mazzle

Congrats on your NSV, too Time.

Special flowers to BadGirl (who obviously isn't) for giving blood.

Lilliput Sat 11-Jan-14 18:45:51

When would one do 16:8?

ImABadGirl Sat 11-Jan-14 18:49:13

Thanks bigchoc I've been giving it since I was 18 I'm 35 now smile

TalkinPeace Sat 11-Jan-14 18:54:21

Lilliput
my routine is
Monday : no food till supper, 500 calories
Tuesday : TDEE less 10% - no brekky so 16:8
Wednesday : as Tuesday
Thursday : as Monday
Friday : TDEE plus 10% wine but in 16:8
Saturday : relax
Sunday : breakfast and lunch so over TDEE but 16:8

Breadandwine Sat 11-Jan-14 18:59:39

We are hoping to retire soon and want to be able to enjoy it for a long time and do lots of travelling.

Darnley, get your dh to check out my 5:2 experience on my blog. I'm well into my retirement - and, after nearly 2 years of IFing, I've never been so fit!

Lilliput Sat 11-Jan-14 19:02:18

Wow that sounds like hardcore fasting.

BsshBossh Sat 11-Jan-14 19:12:10

Lilliput essentially all TiP's doing is skipping breakfast most days, slightly undereating her TDEE on weekday NFDs and then going over TDEE on weekends. I do the same as I'm not a breakfast person and I love eating out loads on weekends.

ErrolTheDragon Sat 11-Jan-14 19:17:20

>Basically its skipping breakfast!
and no evening snack if that's something you do - a habit I need to break. So having said that, I'm going to go and have some yogurt now instead of at bedtime.

LilyJoAndMe Sat 11-Jan-14 19:46:58

Good to read you all again.
Tonight either I'm out for a meal with DH or I'm making a curry. Either way, I'm looking forward to a nice meal-not too much so's to undoe my recent hard work. I'm not into all the under-cutting well enough to know how to splurge out at the week-end .
I was thinking of having some peanuts. Damn good job I looked at how many calories they are first !
100g = 600 cals WHAAT !
Will give them a miss I think- though must admit I will miss them hmm

ErrolTheDragon Sat 11-Jan-14 19:53:16

Nuts and seeds are so easy to overdo - nutritious but I had a shock this morning when I decided to calorie-count my default breakfast - yogurt with seeds and nuts. I'll be using a smaller spoon to scoop them out from now on! (I hate calorie counting on NFDs) If you like nuts as a snack, either count them out (eg 6 almonds) or weigh them - if you find a little pot which holds say 15g of peanuts you won't overdo them.

DottiestDoris Sat 11-Jan-14 20:15:19

A question for those of you who use mfp.
Do you fill in the exercise bit? I mean, if you had a tdee of 2000 and burnt off 300 calories walking, would you eat 2000 calories or 2300?confused

BsshBossh Sat 11-Jan-14 20:17:54

If you calculated your TDEE as sedentary then you could eat back exercise calories I guess; if your TDEE includes some level of exercise then no you don't eat back.

LilyJoAndMe Sat 11-Jan-14 20:18:11

Hey that's a really good idea Errol . Thanks smile

DottiestDoris Sat 11-Jan-14 20:24:10

Ah, makes sense Bssh. Thank you. Saw your profile update earlier... wow. Just wow.

LilyJoAndMe Sat 11-Jan-14 20:25:18

Just found that 1 midget peanut is 11 calories ! So , that's like 1 glass of white wine is the same as 6 peanuts. OK so I know what I'm having for apéritif tonight !

LilyJoAndMe Sat 11-Jan-14 20:26:39

That scribble read 'aperitif'' smile

MazzleDazzle Sat 11-Jan-14 20:57:35

Sitting here in my 'thin' clothes having just scoffed 2589 cals today!

No guilt or shame though as I'll fit in 2 FD before Thurs.

Enjoy your meal Lily!

I can't seem to see anyone's profile pics. Is it because I'm on an iPad?

TimeToPassGo Sat 11-Jan-14 21:02:46

Thanks Exhausted and BigChoc smile Just had 4 Lindt sweets. I normally love them but feel quite sick after them tonight.

Geckos48 Sat 11-Jan-14 21:07:21

Just coming to the end of my fourth fast.

Daydreaming about making a choccy cake tomorrow and having a fat pot roast!

CheshireSplat Sat 11-Jan-14 21:22:56

Hi everyone.

I'm another newbie. Have done 2 FDs so far and strangely this morning was a bit disappointed that the next one isn't until Tuesday!

I've always been a bit overweight but always done lots of running so haven't worried about it. 5' 3" and was always somewhere around 10 stone 10. After DD I've plateaued around 11 stone 3 ish which means my clothes don't fit properly. To have a normal BMI I'd need to be 10 stone exactly which I have never been as an adult. Even for my wedding when I was really good I only got to 10 stone 3 for one day only!!!!!

I love food and drink (more important to me than being slim) but I'm really confident this is the solution to get to 10 stone.

This thread seems really friendly (if scarily long!) and is an inspiring read! I look forward to joining the gang.

LilyJoAndMe Sat 11-Jan-14 21:38:48

Mazzle - just finishing a lovely meal.
I planned to eat much more but just can't face it! I'm too full . Haha 5:2 - just something else this !

LilyJoAndMe Sat 11-Jan-14 21:39:55

To see profile's you need to go on a computer Mazzle.

LilyJoAndMe Sat 11-Jan-14 21:41:12

Know what you mean Cheshire and

LilyJoAndMe Sat 11-Jan-14 21:44:37

Know what you mean Cheshire and Gheckos. One of the things I enjoy about this WOE is that I feel excited about the next day. In the past, any diets I've been on meant I felt just the opposite when I thought about the next day - just miserable.

ErrolTheDragon Sat 11-Jan-14 21:53:21

Yes - I look forward to being able to 'eat tomorrow' - but I also quite look forward to my FD on Monday after the weekend. The other on Thursday not so much.

LilyJoAndMe Sat 11-Jan-14 22:08:48

Tomorrow I'm going to get my FD meals organised for the week and I love the feeling of being sure of myself about these meals . Already looking forward to tomorrow now.
Going to bed now .Speak soon. xxxx

Jobyloo Sat 11-Jan-14 22:12:17

Cheshire I'm a newbie too and love running. Just getting over surgery and can't wait to get back out there. Really enjoying the feeling of being back in control though with 5:2 so just hoping the exercise will boost the losses. Next FD Tues as well.

Bsh really like the idea of setting MFP to sedentary and then having exercise cals as a cushion on NFD's, hadn't thought of that!

BsshBossh Sat 11-Jan-14 22:13:03

Mazzle I'm on an iPad too. You just need to keep clicking on a username - eventually it'll click.

Mazzle, Lily I nearly always use my iPad and I can see everyone's (public) photos. Like now:

Great pix, Bssh. A marvellous inspiration to newbies, especially those with a lot to lose.

NotAsTired Sat 11-Jan-14 23:13:47

Ooh, bssh you have a new photo. You are looking great. Why did you get rid of the other photo? What was your BMI on the photo you got rid of, because I can see that there's a big difference since then.

MorrisZapp Sat 11-Jan-14 23:23:32

CheshireSplat, we are body twins! I'm same height and weight as you, want to lose a stone.

I was thin once as a teenager (obsessive dieting) and once as an adult when I had PND and couldn't swallow. Other than that, I'm strong and curvy but I have insane muffin top and the beginnings of back fat too.

I'm in it for the long haul, I can't lose it quickly so no point setting myself up to fail. If I lost a pound every fortnight I'd be thrilled.

I've decided I don't want to eat diet food, it's too depressing. So my next fd will consist of mini portions of normal food. I can't see me getting below 600 cals but it's something to aim for.

mummyof2girlsx Sat 11-Jan-14 23:32:28

posting in case anyone wants to respond??

Unrelated to 5:2 but husband is being an arse, he has just gone to bed after being a total ****!!!!

On the plus side, I have lost most of my Christmas gain after 2 fasts grin

Sorry to hear about your knobhead DH, Mummyof2, but good that you are losing some other pounds of useless flab.
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You and MrsF should get together. Her DH is a permanent knobhead to her and the DCs. Hence my request for a braised testicle recipe we could give her.

I downloaded Dr Mosely's new book "Fast Exercise", i.e. HIIT for 5:2
Very informative about the science and useful practical info.

I posted my 1st notes on the ExerciseThread and will add more tomorrow.

BetsyBell Sun 12-Jan-14 00:27:06

hopeful looks yum, recipe saved, thank you x

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sun 12-Jan-14 06:03:37

mummyof2 sorry your dh is being an arse. Hope this is a one off and he's normally a decent bloke.

I've been wide awake since 5am. No idea why, could be due to yesterday's fast but I think my sleep pattern is just a bit messed up.