(99 Posts)
youaremychocolatecake Tue 07-Jan-14 20:25:00

I know from reading posts and t'net in general this is a controversial subject and not recommended but are there are breast feeding mummies here successfully doing 5:2 on an increased fast day allowance? Not actually doing it before anyone jumps on me. My weight is falling off naturally so far. I am just interested to know x

Breadandwine Wed 08-Jan-14 01:29:32

Hi Chocolatecake

Looks like this has slipped people by, so I'll answer it for you.

Ever since these threads started, there have been posters successfully bfing and fasting.

A few of them, from memory, still went down to <500 cals on their fasting days, but the general consensus seems to be that between <750 and <1000 is better for a bfing mum.


youaremychocolatecake Wed 08-Jan-14 18:18:05

Thank you. X

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sat 11-Jan-14 14:25:57

Hi, sorry I missed this thread. I'm on the main one.

I'm breast feeding my 10 week old. Only been fasting for 2 weeks but its going well. I am having 1000 cals on a fast day and its working well so far. I'm planning on dropping my calories as ds gets older and I get used to fasting.

Another poster with a similar age baby went straight for 500 cals and felt very unwell at the end of the day.

Best of luck

DottiestDoris Sat 11-Jan-14 18:19:41

Hi there, yes that was me! In hindsight, I think feeling do rubbish was more to do with not drinking enough water. A huge amount of our hydration comes from what we eat and so if you're not eating as much, you need to drink more. My second fd, more from chance than design, I ended up eating fewer calories but drank and drank and drank water and sailed through feeling energetic and well.

justonemorecake Sat 11-Jan-14 19:01:34

Hi, I am breast feeding my 13 mo dd and I did my first fast on Wednesday at 500 calories. I felt fine in myself, although very thirsty. I am used to drinking a lot of water though.

Does anyone know if fasting at 500 cals will damage my supply, or will it be ok given that I have been breast feeding for a while? I currently feed once in the morning, once in the evening and once at night.

I've been fasting for about 4 weeks and am ebf my 12 week old. No problem with supply - if the theory is correct that this way if eating mimics how our healthier ancestors ate I don't see why bfing would be harmed. Your body will prioritise milk production over everything else. Actually starving would cause problems of course but a fast of 24-36 hrs is hardly that, esp as you are eating after all. I have been sticking with 700-800 cals tho. I have lost 6 lbs so far!

enjolraslove Sat 11-Jan-14 19:41:22

Hi all- can I join you? I've been lurking on the main thread for a while but it is sooo big! I'm ebf my 3 month old ds and have been doing 5:2 for 7 weeks. The first 4 weeks the weight just fell off and I lost a stone. I've now been at the same weight since 22nd dec and I'm getting fed up!
Logically I know with christmas and everything I shouldn't be disheartened but I am. I guess I feel under pressure as I am a bridesmaid at a big family wedding this summer and I really want to look my best! My goal is 10 stone (but realistically I've never been less than 10, 7 in 14 years so really I think I would be happy there) but I really want to get to 11 by the dress fittings which are mid march. That is one stone to go.
I've been doing 2 fd a week at 600-750 and then 4 days at 1800 ish and then 1 day where I don't count (alcohol mainly!). I'm 5'7 btw.
Does anyone have any ideas about how to get it going down again?

DottiestDoris Sat 11-Jan-14 19:52:00

Hi Justone. From what I've read on the main thread, 500 calories will not harm your milk supply at all. They recommend we eat more because of how we might feel during the fast, as we are burning off quite a bit before we start.
I did 750 on my first fd and didn't drink enough and felt rubbish. Then ended up only eating 460 on my second fd (id overestimated my dinner and didn't realise until I entered it in mfp) but drank loads and felt completely fine.
On both occasions ds2 (12 weeks) ate perfectly well!

I am super impressed with the losses I've read about on here-wow to all of you!

I've only done a week and am struggling to understand why any weight I lose on a fd isn't just going to ping back on when I revert for my nfd.

justonemorecake Sat 11-Jan-14 20:11:26

It's good to hear that people are fb and still doing 5:2 successfully. I really like the idea of this way of life and I think it will work well for me. I'm also using mfp to log what I eat for the rest of the week.

doris the way it works is by reducing your caloric consumption on a weekly basis. Say you need to consume 2000 cals per day just to maintain your weight (ie your total daily energy expenditure or TDEE). If you eat only 500 cals per day on two days of the week you are creating a deficit of 1500 cals x 2=3000. To lose a pound of body weight you have to create a deficit of 3500 cals so on this diet if you don't eat over your TDEE on the other five days you will lose approximately a pound a week.

The reason why this way of decreasing your caloric consumption has never been previously promoted was that received wisdom was that if you deprive yourself too much one day, you will make up for it by gorging the next. However, the research quoted by Michael Mosley in his boom showed this was not the case, people tended to eat only +10% TDEE on non fast days even when encouraged to eat as much as they wanted. In order for the diet to work you have to watch you don't over consume on non fast days but most people don't seem to find that a problem.

There also may be an additional fat burning effect from going more than 12 hrs without any food at all, which is why many advocae either breaking your fast late in the day or leaving a large gap between your breakfast and dinner on fasting days.

However if you weigh yourself every day you may see the scales creep up the second NFD but I believe this is mainly due to water retention or the weight of food in your digestive system rather than regain. It should average out over the course of the week.

I hope this helps to clarify? Glad other bfing mums are trying this.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sun 12-Jan-14 13:06:58

Good to see lots of breast feeders trying and succeeding with the 5:2 diet. I'm hoping for some success too. So far I've only done two weeks but have lost 4 pounds.

enjoir I'm 5"7 too currently weigh 11 pounds 7 and like you would love to get to 10 stone but that would really be pushing it. Best of luck being a bridesmaid, it's good to have a deadline to spur you on. When is the dress shopping / fitting happening?

fairy well done on the 6 pounds loss.

I have a horrible habit of weighing myself everyday so can get very disappointed when the scales don't say what I want them to. I should try and do a weekly weigh in instead. When is it best to do it? Day after a fast day or a normal day?

I think I'm going to try and push for 750 on a fast day. I was aiming for 1000 but came in yesterday at 820.

DottiestDoris Sun 12-Jan-14 15:59:25

Thank you fairy, that makes it a lot clearer. I'm doing the 16.8 on fds, but mostly because I find it delays my hunger from kicking in. A big coffee fills me up and then I'm fine until I eat!
whenshewasbad I'm just the same with weighing! I can restrict myself to once a day if I really try, but it's a definite compulsion. It might well be best to weigh just once a week or less, but I'd have to sell my scales to achieve that. Is there a Weighers Anonymous? grin

justonemorecake Sun 12-Jan-14 19:40:59

I always end up weighing myself every day. I don't mean to but then I can never resist temptation! I only log my weight once a week though.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sun 12-Jan-14 20:22:45

Glad it's not just me that's addicted to the scales. I think I'm going to go for a Monday weigh in.

Ds has just thrown up all over dd's bed as we were trying to get her into it, really not what you need at bed time.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Mon 13-Jan-14 09:41:26

Ok Monday weigh in done and I'm 11 stone 8. So put on one pound since yesterday. My goal weight for next Monday is 11 stone 6

DottiestDoris Mon 13-Jan-14 12:49:10

Oh dear whenshewasbad, was it a full bed sheet change? That is not fun.
11.8 is still great progress. The trouble with the daily weighing though is that you do see the fluctuations.
I was 11.8 after my last fd on Fri, then put on a pound by Sunday morning but had dropped to 11.7.6 this morning without another fd! I'm on a fd again today so hoping for good things on the scales tomorrow morning.
Bitg boys and I are thick with colds at the moment. They're grumpy so I'm hoping the lack of food won't affect my mood too much. Poor DH.

DottiestDoris Mon 13-Jan-14 12:49:47

*both boys

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Mon 13-Jan-14 19:00:47

Oh no sorry about the colds, if its what's been doing the rounds where I live it's a vile virus. Get well soon.

It was a full bed change, totally exited toddler bouncing on the bed at 7.45pm is not a good thing.

Have a confession to make I haven't epilated or shaved my legs since ds was born blush I'm planning to take dd swimming on Thursday so drastic action needs to be taken. At least it's easier losing hair than fat.

DottiestDoris Mon 13-Jan-14 19:25:40

Gosh, you might lose a few pounds with the hair shred grin
I invested in a new epilator in the january sales as my last hit the dust last year. Time is short though so I did one leg one night and the other the next. Glad I didn't have to go swimming in between! Also, it's amazing how much it hurts when you haven't epilated for a while!
I've fasted today. Have felt ok but not as good as last fd. Might have had more calories in my dinner than intended but definitely under 750 so not too shoddy.
What've you planned meal wise for tomorrow?

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Tue 14-Jan-14 16:03:11

I never thought of the hair loss helping with weight loss grin I think there's about 1/2 pound of hair that has to go.

I've forgotten just how much it hurts, it's going to be bad. I'm glad it's not just me who does one leg at a time. I've only done this since having kids. I do my armpits too as using a razor gives me eczema, that really hurts.

How are the boys doing with their colds?

DottiestDoris Tue 14-Jan-14 19:48:17

Ouchy to armpits. I'm not brave enough for that!
Oldest boy is v snotty but brighter in himself. He wanted to make some rocky road muffins today so we did that and i reduced my dinner so I could fit one in under my TDEE. Im working to the Tdee of my ideal weight so I don't have much wriggle room. But where there's a will...
Baby boy is feeling sorry for himself. Very sad and doesn't want to be put down. Luckily he had a sleep when it came to making muffins.
And im losing my voice while dh is as healthy as ever.
Have you fasted today? How was the swimming?

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Tue 14-Jan-14 23:17:24

The armpits are painful but better than the eczema I used to get. I have kept ontop of the pits as it really is stupidly painful if left of too long.

Swimming is scheduled for Thursday, both legs have been epilated up to the knees so that's a start.

Managed a fast day and came in at 800. I'm impressed you are doing your TDEE on non fast days. I'm not organised enough for that yet.

Sorry your ds is poorly, there's something so sad about a baby with a cold. Hope he shifts it soon.

Felix90 Sun 26-Jan-14 17:55:43

Hi all, I know it's been about 10 days since you last posted but didn't want to make a new thread when there already is one. My dd is 5 weeks today and I desperately need to focus on shifting some pounds! I was already 3 stone overweight when I found out I was pregnant and now I've gained around 2 stones more hmm

I'm no longer bf but I am expressing and dd is having a combination of formula and expressed milk. As I'm only expressing I've found I'm not as hungry as I was when I was just bf. Do you think I'd be ok doing the normal 500 cals or should I increase it slightly?

I've done this sort of diet before but it was a 3 day fast/4 day normal cals thing. I've seen a lot of proof it works but I just feel a bit sceptical as 2 days doesn't seem like much! Also do you think it will still suit me as I have a lot to lose?

On this WOL, health is our top priority.
Dr Varady recommends 1000 cals for BF on her tougher EOF/ADF diet.
For 5:2, we say start on 1000, but reduce gradually to 700 if you feel ok. Since you are just expressing, I would recommend 700 to start and get used to fasting. Then reduce gradually to 500 if you feel ok.
If you find fasting tough, go to 1000 for a few weeks.

Felix90 Mon 27-Jan-14 04:50:16

Thank you for replying! I'm going to start on Tuesday and give 700 a go. I'll just make sure I listen to my body and don't over (or under!) do it smile

Nottheshrinkingcapgrandpa Tue 04-Feb-14 16:50:59

I'm going to join you here- I have a 5 month old ebf baby and have done 5:2 for the last 4 weeks. I had half a stone to lose (once I'd come out of hospital and things had settled down), and today I did it, and I am half a pound lighter than when I got pregnant smile

I am now 4 stone over weight, have battled my weigh all my life. If I could lose just over 2 stone I think I'd be really happy. FD are really hard going though, esp with a baby going through a growth spurt-again!

somewherebecomingrain Wed 12-Feb-14 09:58:15

Hello all.

Interesting discussion here.

I've been on 5:2 since last June. I am still bf my 10mo - she was ebf till 6mo. She is a whopper and my boobs have always produced torrents of milk for her so anecdotally no effect on milk supply here.

I have usually done 500 cals but sometimes liquid only zero fast, until I lost it big time at Xmas.

I was literally crazed over food and would eat 5000 cals on my nfds.

I've not managed to get back to fasting since and have felt better. Have felt a bit bored by being SO obsessed by food - it took up all my time.

Now trying to start again with a 1000cal fast. Today have had 2 milky coffees.

I definitely recommend eating more rather than less when bf - I felt it all got too extreme, I was too ravenous to control myself on NFDs - nothing filled me up, it wasn't entirely fun, it was a bit bonkers.

Hi- I have been doing 5:2 since Dec while bfing my now 16 wk old. I was coping quite well with 700-800 cals on FDs and have lost 12lbs so far. But in the past couple of weeks DD has suddenly started feeding much more esp at night (5 times last night!) and I am correspondingly ravenous! She must be having a growth spurt. I don't want to jeopardise my weight loss but if is really hard.

somewherebecomingrain Wed 12-Feb-14 13:18:15

fairy sounds familiar. It agrees with my experience. It is a bit too wild the calorie deprivation when they are bf a lot and it makes one overeat on NFD.

I got up to a 17lb loss but that is now 10lb. However I've been interrupted by moving house. If I could go back I would eat a bit more on FDs when it got so crazy.

Slugsonmypeasgrr Wed 12-Feb-14 13:25:38

I agree I am ravenous and grumpy! I feel that the 'nothing fills me up' thing is perhaps more nutrition value than calories if that makes sense so have made a huge vegetable soup I am eating today on a fast day and trying to fill up with nuts, seeds and other protein first on nfd's. I also slightly worry that my LO is struggling to get enough milk by the end of my fast day and he doesn't tend to sleep as well that night, but it seems to go back up again in NFDs. Also I think we need even more water on FD and hence why I am eating clear soup with lots of veg in... Be interested to hear others' experiences too

somewherebecomingrain Wed 12-Feb-14 13:45:26

I agree with nutrition. I CANNOT eat ready meals, it has to be freshly prepared colourful and packed with veg. When you are bf your body really knows if you are cutting corners on nutrition - there is no slack to eat crap on a fast day.

somewherebecomingrain Wed 12-Feb-14 13:46:41

But even this didn't stop my ravening hunger. But my dd is a whopper - she is 10mo and over 2 stone (an average 2yo) so I am probably having an extreme experience .

Slugsonmypeasgrr Wed 12-Feb-14 13:48:36

Yes, avocado on toast or wholenut peanut butter on toast for breakfast on day after FD helps me too. Does anyone else find it really difficult to get back to sleep if they wake in the night on the night of your FD? I just lie there feeling utterly miserable but determined not to cancel out all my good work!!!

Slugsonmypeasgrr Wed 12-Feb-14 13:50:00

Wow! You clearly have amazing milk!! Well done you for fasting at all. I'd be very proud of myself if I was you!

Slugsonmypeasgrr Wed 12-Feb-14 13:52:31

I have also found myself going to bed at 8 pm as get totally shattered.... Doesn't sound great does it? But I actually do like the approach and especially the health benefits. Having children makes me determined to do my best to be healthy and live to a long age if possible.

Well I have compromised a bit and had a roll with a bit of cheddar along with my hard boiled egg and veg soup for lunch. If I can make it to dinner without any snacks though I shouldn't exceed 700 cals too much.

slugs I find most evenings my milk is a little low around 6 pm but I'm more paranoid about it on FD.

On FD I find it hard to fall asleep!

Slugsonmypeasgrr Wed 12-Feb-14 19:11:01

Milk was fine today... But I did make a massive pan of veg soup and I think that helped, maybe even just with liquid intake. Fairy me too re sleep, I often fall off the fast wagon a little bit but still losing so that's good !

MetellaEstMater Mon 17-Feb-14 11:57:20

Hi everyone. DD2 is 6 weeks and I'm starting 5:2 today. I'm aiming for 750 calories as she has a bottle of formula daily so I'm hoping that will be okay. I'm just going to see how it goes....! My fast days will be Mondays and Wednesdays most weeks.

BFers Even if you have got down to 500 or 700 cals, do feel free to go back up to 1,000 if you start feeling ravenous.

There are a lot of demands on you and a growth spurt can mean that your body suddenly needs more fuel to make milk.
smile Don't be tough on yourselves.
On FDs: Only eat healthy nutrient-dense food. So, no junk, added sugar, fizzy crap, alcohol etc

somewherebecomingrain Mon 17-Feb-14 21:20:09

Hello mestella welcome. I started at same point. Will be glad to hear how t goes for you.

good advice from bigchoc there.

My baby is huge - I started a thread on it and one hypothesis was that i had super-rich milk. I'm wondering if fasting, esp when eating a good diet, might lead to richer milk. Dunno.

Anyway I had my first successful fd for a long time thanks to food poisoning.

Labracadabra Tue 18-Feb-14 09:40:00

I'm EBF my 14 week old baby and have been doing 5:2 for about a month now. I have just under a stone to lose now to get to pre-preg weight which I would be very happy with (especially with my new larger sized boobs which must add a couple of pounds!). I previously did 5:2 before I became pregnant (hadn't shifted baby weight from DD1) and lost about 2 stones in 2 months and felt good. I didn't start it until I stopped BF DD1 at 2 years old (of course she was only having a couple of small BF feeds a day by the end) and found it fairly easy, was able to not go too overboard on NFDs unless it was a special occasion. This time it's much harder, I can manage FDs ok and usually stick to 500 cal or slightly over. However, NFDs are HARD! On the morning after a FD I feel quite weak and tired (although a teething baby doesn't help!) and need breakfast to get me going. However, I am seriously hungry and end up overeating on NFDs. I have lost about a stone since starting however, and am determined not to give up, but I feel annoyed by my lack if willpower, when it was previously so strong. I'm trying not to be too hard on myself as I'm breastfeeding and my milk supply seems fine. I also express milk most days to store in the freezer. It doesn't help that I meet once a week with my NCT group and there's always cake, biscuits, home baking etc! I try to make sure that's a NFD but still feel bad about eating it! Gah!

CookieMonstersCousin Sat 22-Feb-14 09:23:12

Hi all! I tried the 5:2 for a couple of weeks but have found it did affect my milk supply. I have a 12 week old ds who is combined fed (1bottle of formula in the evening). It wasnt the fd's which were the problem but the next nfd- i didnt feel i was making enough milk and ds was clearly hungry even though i drank tons during my fd and ate about 700 calories. I havent fasted this week ans my milk supply has gone back to normal. Its a shame as i was enjoying the 5:2- guess i'll have to wait til ds is older and no longer bfing!

MetellaEstMater Sat 22-Feb-14 10:37:54

Hi cookie. Out of interest how many calories were you having on FDs? I tried 750 on day one which worked well. I stupidly had fewer (circa 600) on FD2 and the next day definitely noticed a reduction in my supply so I moved DD's formula bottle to breakfast. Doubtless a coincidence, but she ended up having her best night's sleep!

somewherebecomingrain Thu 06-Mar-14 09:33:23

Hi I'm doing 1000cal fasts. It's really easy. How are others doing?

Labracadabra Fri 07-Mar-14 12:25:55

I'm doing 500 cal fast days and am EBF my 16 week old (DD2) and have had no impact on milk supply, I've got tonnes of the stuff! I did find NFDs hard and was overeating (i think) because I was so hungry. I was also eating chocolate, cakes and biscuits on NFDs (truly living the "you can have it tomorrow" mantra wink plus NCT meet ups seem to revolve around cake!) so this week have switched to eating healthily on NFDs (max of 15g of saturated fat per day and between 20g and 50g of "good" unsaturated fats) which of course means choc and junk is off the menu. This has been so much better as I no longer feel I'm undoing all the good work (calorie wise) of a FD. I'm eating much more nutritious food on NFD (plenty of nuts and oily fish etc) which is probably especially important as a breastfeeder I guess.
Regarding the bottle of formula (sorry can't check name of poster who mentioned it), this is likely to have more of a negative impact on your milk supply than the calorie reduction (sorry, you probably already know this!) can you give a bottle of expressed milk instead? I agree it's important to introduce them to the bottle and DD2 has a bottle if expressed milk now and again to remind her!

I have been averaging around 750 cals per FD but don't beat myself up if I need a little extra - last week I HAD to have a half piece of bread with peanut butter around 4:30, otherwise I would not have been able to get through the evening routine with DS and DD. NFDs can be a bit difficult too, especially as I have recently developed more of a hankering for sugar. However, it must all be working because I have now lost 18lbs (in 12 weeks) and am at the weight I was at my booking in appt with the midwife. Another 8lbs and I will be at 'normal' weight! However I might keep this up for a while to see if I can be the weight I have always wanted to be, eg half a stone lighter than 'normal'.

Hope everyone else has been finding it as easy as I have.

Nottheshrinkingcapgrandpa Wed 12-Mar-14 16:00:36

How's everyone doing? I had a couple of bad weeks eating, in which I maintained. Have been back on for a week and am now 2lb down from this time last month. Slowly but surely...

Slugsonmypeasgrr Wed 12-Mar-14 20:53:53

I had a hellish night with the kids last night and almost didn't fast today but as I was trying to tuck into a bowl of cereal I got a terrible tummy ache! Couldn't eat it at all... don't know if I'm just in a fasting rhythm but I have probably had at least 750 cals today so not a major fast. It's working well for me though (over 5kg lost!! yay!) but I still have that mummy ring around my tummy... can't wait for it to be gone but might have to do some exercise too. Ah next week maybe.

Antidote Mon 17-Mar-14 15:03:51

Marking place.coming back later once kids are asleep....

MetellaEstMater Mon 17-Mar-14 16:57:35

It's going really well for me. No supply problems now. Today's a fast day despite the fact I'm on holiday! I figured I am only a few weeks in so it would be very easy to put on the weight I've lost so far.

somewherebecomingrain Thu 27-Mar-14 07:04:25

Hello all. Fasting today. Seem to have developed a double cream habit which must be bf-related. Downed a whole 300ml pot with Splenda and raspberries - ever done that bigchoc ?

Anyone else have crazzzzy eating at times, because you are lactating?

How is everyone?

Somewhere Cream, not so much. A 750 ml tub of Haagen Daz ice - used to be my normal pud !
I'm addicted to pnut or almond butters - <head pokes out of pnut bitter jar>
Also cheese, especially the 400g baked fondant for 2 (which I eat alone)
<iPad drips drool>

Confession: I've no DCs, so no excuses like you ladies blush

somewherebecomingrain Fri 28-Mar-14 17:18:24

You've got an excuse BC - you are formidably fit and active!


MetellaEstMater Fri 28-Mar-14 19:01:20

Oh yes, definitely. The day before yesterday I could have eaten the entire contents of our cupboard I was so hungry but I was particularly craving sugar. This wouldn't have been that unusual a few weeks ago but one effect of 5:2 for me has been finding sweet things much too sweet and anything processed almost plasticy. Didn't stop me devouring the peanut butter twix my SIL sent me from the States! Then yesterday DD just wanted to feed and feed so in the end it was good I'd eaten over my TDEE!

FD today and really struggling for the first time since starting this WOL. I have NO idea how I'm going to cope with just 500 calories when I stop bfing!

LIDLrichard Thu 03-Apr-14 16:07:49

I'm bumping this thread to ask breastfeeding 5:2ers a question...didn't want to start my own thread while this one exists!

I'm ebf-ing a big chunky 6-month old--I'm only 10 or so lbs fluffier than I'd like but this tenner seems very hard to shift...I have a feeling I'm one of those "dairy cows" who keep an extra bit of chub no matter what while bfing just in case of a famine or what have you.

Anyway just started 5:2 this week and hoping that will chip away at it. Have any of you done this while feeding and not seen results for this reason?

TheRealAmandaClarke Thu 03-Apr-14 17:30:28

I'm bf. but dd is over a year now so I'm not sure it counts as she only has about 4feeds in 24hrs.
I started 5:2 when she was 3 mo. I just did "normal" 5:2. Didn't increase my cals on a FD and I lost weight fairly apparent effect on milk supply. I have been off the wagon for too long and the weight has crept up, so back fasting today.
I've always taken my vitamin d though,

TheRealAmandaClarke Thu 03-Apr-14 17:35:17

The thing that makes it hard for me is not that eating gives me more energy, but that's it's hard to apply myself in the way quoted to break through the challenge of a FD IYSWIM.
So when I'm tired nearly dead from night feeds I cba to think about a FD, and I comfort eat. Whereas if I do actually fast I feel better.
So I think 5:2 helps.
But it requires a bit of mental application. It's worth it though. I get a fresh, alert feeling when I do manage a FD.

eisbaer Thu 03-Apr-14 23:09:41

Is anyone out there ebf and doing 16:8, I started 2 days ago. Feel worse in evenings as it's the evening snacking while bf that I miss. I eat between 12-8. Mornings till lunch are easy it's, like, just now that is a killer...hoping to lose sth, but haven't really watched my eating between 12-8 apart from no sugar

somewherebecomingrain Thu 03-Apr-14 23:35:22

lid read back over this thread - I and many others did just that, ebf and full 5:2.

My body and mind eventually rebelled against 2 hardcore fasts a week but although I fell off the wagon I have never totally stopped fasting as it feels good basically.

But I think it is harder when bf. I comfort myself that if I did it for 8 months while ebf then I will find it really easy when dd is off the boob.

Need to go over to feeding chat for that challenge I guess. I will report back once I've stopped bf.

LIDLrichard Fri 04-Apr-14 08:24:34

Thanks AmandaClarke and somewherebecoming I have read the thread, just wondering if there were any people who it didn't work for while bfing, IYSWIM?
Glad to hear more success stories though, even if it is harder. We'll see how I get on.

somewherebecomingrain Wed 23-Apr-14 20:27:31

Just want to report back.

Bf dramatically reduced now.

Did a fast on Monday and it was pretty easy. The next day I wasn't especially hungry, no more than usual, unlike my crazy hunger from the EBF days. It was more like how others describe NFDs.

So far so good.

Only hitch is I think fasting makes me produce more/nicer milk so it put the weaning into reverse! She was guzzling away.

dizhin79 Wed 30-Apr-14 01:52:04

just wanting to add, I haven't found a negative affect on my milk so far, granted it's only my second week of fasts. So far so good though grin

LiDLrichardsPistachioSack Wed 30-Apr-14 09:27:25

Checking back too. dizhin good to hear your milk supply is still abundant. I'm in week 5 and milk is certainly not lacking over here, baby is still eating for England!

Labracadabra Wed 30-Apr-14 11:04:05

Milk supply all good here too. Been 5:2 (occasionally 4:3) since early Jan when DD2 was 8 weeks old. Now she's almost 6 months, still EBF and on the 75th centile so I think it's safe to say you cal follow this WOE whilst bf! I've lost almost 2 stone and have gone past my target (pre-preg) weight.

Helliecopter Wed 30-Apr-14 12:13:30

Good to hear you're all being successful! My DD2 is 10 months now and only really feeds in the evening/overnight/first thing in the morning. I've only ever done 500 cals though - didn't drop it to allow for feeding cals, but I only started 5:2 when she was about 7 months old and weaning was well and truly on its feet.
Labracadabra - that is brilliant!!!

somewherebecomingrain Wed 30-Apr-14 14:57:59

I think it might actually Boost/enrich my millk. You can imagine why from an evolutionary Perspective.

dizhin79 Thu 01-May-14 04:14:24

Good to hear from others bf-ing and 5:2-ing. labra that's great weight loss you must be super proud! i'm hoping for a stone by the end of may, so far 4lb down grin

itsmeeecathy Sun 11-May-14 03:49:49

Hi all , feeling inspired by all your ebf/5:2 stories! I previously lost weight following 5:2 and remember feeling really mentally alert following a FD and 2 pound a week losses. During my preg I put on 2 and a half stone and am feeling miserable with it. Since I lost my excess weight and was 100% happy before getting pregnant it seems like such a mountain to climb!
Encouraged to start now! Am ebf which I'm hoping will speed things up a bit!

For BFers, especially EBFers, we recommend starting at 750-1000 cal FDs instead of 500 cals.
You can reduce gradually to 500-750 cal FDs, but feel free to resume 1000 FDs to cope with growth spurts, or anytime you feel over-stressed.

Also, if you have lost some weight, you have less fat reserves available for easy fuel. So, you may need to eat more on FDs.

LiDLrichardsPistachioSack Mon 12-May-14 14:09:40

Just checking in here, I'd love to see this thread staying alive!

Been doing 5:2 for just over 6 weeks, I've lost about 9 pounds. Which I've been pleased with, BUT--the last couple of weeks I've found the day or two after a FD really rough. Feeling exhausted and depleted and so FECKING HUNGRY. Oh and seriously bitchy. Like PMT to the nth degree. I'm breastfeeding around 6-8 times a day, DD is 7.5 months. I couldn't understand why I've been feeling so shit--I find FDs a doddle and eat loads of veg and protein and good fats, everything fresh and unprocessed (mostly).. Sleeping well too. So WTF? I'm taking on board BCF's suggestion that since I don't have loads of weight to lose I up my cals to 1000 as there is not as much in the fat tank! Gonna start tomorrow. Anyone else having a similar experience? Maybe I'm underestimating just how much bfing is sucking the life out of me burning.

dizhin79 Mon 12-May-14 17:50:45

maybe check what you've been eating on the nfd's is there a common link that could be affecting your mood?

I'm ebf-ing a 10 week old so I'll be up for keeping this thread alive. I had a shattered day yesterday, had to have a nap which I haven't been doing since giving birth. I've been fasting (750-1000cal) for about 3weeks now and finding it ok. have lost about 8lb so far grin

LiDLrichardsPistachioSack Mon 12-May-14 18:21:05

It doesn't seem to matter what I eat--I'm eating to my TDEE, and like I said it's pretty much healthy balanced food. It seems to hit hardest after my second fast day. Ah well. I'll do 900-1000 cal FDs and see how I go. That's inspiring that you've lost weight doing a higher cal fd! Can I ask how much you're trying to shed? I'm 5'4 and 10 stone down from 10.9. Ideally want to get down to 9.5 or so but I'm a muscly mesomorph so that's a really lean weight for me.. Might wait til dd is weaned before trying to get that ripped grin well done on squeezing a nap in!

dizhin79 Mon 12-May-14 23:04:20

I'm 5'10" started out at 12st pre preggers but had been losing weight prior to getting pregnant.

I want to get down to 11 or maybe 10st 10.
I'm loving how this woe had surprised me that I have lost weight so easily. if lost the baby weight 2weeks post birth so the rest is just what I had wanted to lose iyswim grin

Lidl I'm a 5'3" mesomorph with lots of muscle and I also lost weight on 800-900 cal FDs. As a greedy gym bunny, it took months before I could get down to 600 cals (25% of my TDEE)

I was already (just) a healthy BMI, but reduced to 22.5, which feels about right for me.
At age 57 I obv wasn't burning BF cals either !

Anyeone having a tough time on FDs, or on the day after:
Give yourself an easier time and accept maybe a slightly slower loss, for a sustainable WOE.

LiDLrichardsPistachioSack Tue 13-May-14 08:16:40

BCF that's interesting. Pre-baby I was also a greedy gym bunny..god I miss it. Tossing heavy weights around my living room just isn't the same. Thanks for the tips!

TobyLerone Tue 13-May-14 08:38:41

I want to start. I'm ebf 18wo DD. It's good to know it's ok to do 5:2 while BFing.

I'm a complete novice, though. What are you all eating on FDs/NFDs? I will be starting next week, so I can shop for ALL THE VEG and protein at the weekend.

Labracadabra Tue 13-May-14 14:12:26

Toby it's a FD for me today (EBF a 6 month old who doesn't eat solids yet). I have had one mug of tea with 1% fat milk, several glasses of iced fizzy water with a wedge of lime. For supper I plan to have two soft boiled duck eggs with asparagus spears as soldiers! Should have enough cals for some fruit (orange + apple) for pud. Best of luck!!

Labracadabra Tue 13-May-14 14:15:51

Toby, forgot to say, I do 500 cal FDs (although when BF you could do up to 1000 cal) and have lost 2 stone and gone past my target weight of 9 stone (I'm a small framed 5'4") I'm now working out whether I want to lose a bit more or maintain for a while. I've totally changed shape too. This really works!

TobyLerone Tue 13-May-14 14:45:56

That's amazing! How long have you been doing it?

Labracadabra Tue 13-May-14 15:33:16

About 4 months! I have been tracking my weight as I go and I would say don't be surprised if your weight bounces around a bit across the course of a week or two, stick with it as your weight does go down - I've found that each week it kinds of finds a new, lower set point which then fluctuates a bit from day to day (if you're crazy like me and weigh every day) but goes down overall if you compare it from week to week.

TobyLerone Tue 13-May-14 15:59:36

Excellent. Thank you smile

My sister is going to do it with me and we're excited!

LiDLrichardsPistachioSack Tue 13-May-14 16:16:57

Today for my first 1000 calorie FD I've had coffee and tea with splashes of milk, a small pitta with egg whites and spinach, a bowl of sweet potato ginger soup, and tonight will have a bit of lean turkey mince with tomatoes and more spinach. Yum! Bit sleepy today but otherwise feeling good.
I have a little food scale that I weigh stuff with on FDs. I track on MFP too.
Good luck TobyLerone!

TobyLerone Tue 13-May-14 17:23:52

Thanks smile We've been googling FD recipes all afternoon.

somewherebecomingrain Tue 13-May-14 17:47:28

Lidlrichard did you see my upstream posts? On 500 cal Food was like heroin - i'd kill for it - it became Antisocial! This was bf a 6-8 months old. I had to stop and wished i'd done 1k fasts.

LiDLrichardsPistachioSack Wed 14-May-14 12:04:05

somewhere yes I saw that, I didn't realise you stopped for that reason! Had my first 1000 cal day yesterday, I feel totally fine today. This is also despite a cranky teething baby comfort nursing all night!

Are you back at it now?

dizhin79 Thu 15-May-14 06:28:38

hi all, fd here today and my lo has his 1st set of jabs, I wonder if I'll survive or whether I'll have a little sleepy clingon sad

Was hoping to be out and about walking the dog and gardening today so will just have to see how the day pans out.

Glad you enjoyed your fd lidl

TobyLerone Mon 19-May-14 13:32:30

First FD here. Am currently stuck under sleeping DD but when she wakes up I shall scramble an egg with some spinach.

Hope the baby was ok, dizhin.

dizhin79 Mon 02-Jun-14 17:24:35

hi all, lost the app off my phone, so not so easy to post anymore. Have no chance of fasting this week as feeding frenzy is here. Have been doing really well so am not too bothered about skipping a week. hope you're all well x

MrsGSR Sat 07-Jun-14 14:57:25

Can I jump on the bandwagon? Really pleased to find this thread, I'm ebf a 4 month old and was worried about doing 5:2. I've only done one fast day so far but felt fine, I'm going to get DD weighed every week for the first 6 weeks to check it's not effecting her.

Did you take breastfeeding into account when working out your TDEE for NFDs?

dizhin79 Wed 11-Jun-14 21:01:59

yes I classed it as extra exercise

< blatant bumping >

We advise BFers to start at 1000 cal FDs for 5:2, then gradually reduce to 700 if they feel ok. Some BFers even go down to 500 cals, but they need to be careful not to binge on NFDs.
Health and supply are the priorities. A loss of 1lb per week is sustainable longterm and safe.

You can always return to 1000 at growth spurts.

If you decide to do 4:3 or ADF (Alternate Day Fasting) then keep to 1000- cal FDs, as advised by Dr Varady.

Labracadabra Tue 16-Sep-14 16:35:56

I posted here a few months back do thought I would update. I'm still doing 5:2 whilst BF DD2 (now 10 months old) and have lost almost another stone (so almost 3 stone in total over the past 8 months) with no impact in supply or DDs growth. I'm now around 8st 3. Also been exercising (JM 30 day shred interspersed with other YouTube workouts).

That's brilliant, Labracadabra Very well done

TalkinPeace Tue 16-Sep-14 21:55:33

Its interesting that people obsess about a daily calorie intake, rather than thinking across weeks and months
and the fact that most of us have over 10,000 calories safely stored across the back of our hips ready for future use grin

If I remember right from the early 5:2 threads (around the 9-13 mark if I remember right) several people coped well BF and doing 750 calorie fasts
but making sure they stayed WELL hydrated

CalltheMadwife Mon 29-Sep-14 21:54:55

Just a quick question for those who have been doing this a while, on your NFD how many calories do you allow yourself? I'm planning on 1000 calls on a fast day but unsure whether to stick to 2000 on a NFD or aloo myself more? I'm breastfeeding my 7 month old currently, who has started on solids but still has plenty of breastfeeds a day and a couple at night.


CalltheMadwife Mon 29-Sep-14 21:56:05

that should be 1000 cals* and allow not aloo* damned autocorrect

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