The 5:2 thread number 34 - New Year (title courtesy of B&W) Come and join us and take CONTROL! Of your weight, and of your lives.

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The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV = Non scale victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

flowers to bigchoc

Did I get here first?

ELR Mon 30-Dec-13 09:27:11

Marking place, thanks bigchoc

Mum2Fergus Mon 30-Dec-13 09:29:40

Checking in ready for a New Yea and a New Me! First FD yesterday, and it went really well, long may it continue!

Thank you bigchoc flowers

Bramblesinforrin Mon 30-Dec-13 10:20:16

Checking in ahead of the new year. I'll be joining you lovely lot again for a few weeks to shift the Christmas slide! This time last year I was at my heaviest ever, then lost two stone in a few months. Mostly kept it off, but Christmas has been rather indulgent and I'm keen to shift the slide to get back to where I was before.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Mon 30-Dec-13 11:46:15

Hi I'm new but have been thinking of trying the 5:2 diet. The plan is to start in the new year, so I might just lurk here for a few days to get some inspiration.

I am 5 foot 7 and would love to get to around 10 stone - current weight is 11 stone 10 blush. The 5:2 could be a bit tricky for me as I have a very demanding they are all demanding aren't they nearly 3 year old and a 9 week old ebf baby.

I hope the fasting won't mess up my milk supply, I tend to produce loads. I really want to shift the weigh, I'm fed up of weighing more than my dh, he's 5 foot 6 and has lost weight and is now 10 stone.

So hello to everyone and hope you had a good Christmas.

To any newbies:

We are still finishing off the old thread, so join us There

postmanpatsreindeer Mon 30-Dec-13 15:56:42

marking my place! Thanks bigchoc

Dotty342kids Mon 30-Dec-13 17:21:14

Aha, here you all are!

Nice to see you after the festive break. Have to confess, done no fasting or mindful eating since having vomiting bug the week before Christmas but by some miracle have only put on approx. 2lbs. Unless it's waiting and is going to catch me out in about a week's time!
Planning a mini fast (just a normal dinner) on Thursday then back onto it all next week starting with my Monday fast smile

Mazzledazzle Mon 30-Dec-13 18:10:16

Thank you to bigchoc! Marking my place.

MrsFlorrick Mon 30-Dec-13 18:22:07

Shameless place marking for later.
Thanks Bigchoc.

AngieM2 Mon 30-Dec-13 18:25:42

Marking place. Re-starting (Wed) after a month off.

TalkinPeace Mon 30-Dec-13 19:08:35

Skippydedodah and whenshewasbad posted right at the end of the last thread ....

skippy welcome to the mad house grin

whenshewas if you are bf, you NEED enough calories to keep that baby growing well
but its worth trying hard to make them "good" calories - veg, fruit, fish, complex carbs, unprocessed fats, decent quality meat
the lower sugar intake you can manage, the better in the long run
- that is why bigchoc likes her serious chocolate as its too flavoursome to eat in a non mindful way

SkippydedoDaa Mon 30-Dec-13 19:10:47

I've posted on the other thread but I think it's full now...

Im a newbie...starting 2nd of Jan.

I'm confused though. TDEE has been calculated as that the amount of calories I eat on non fast days?

It seems a lot if I'm looking to lose weight.

Lilliput Mon 30-Dec-13 19:19:33

I am hoping to start on the 7th. I feel so vile after Xmas and have a long weekend in London coming up so can't start til after that.

SkippydedoDaa Mon 30-Dec-13 19:20:06

I've just run a sample menu through MFP and I really think I'm going to struggle to eat enough calories on non fast days confused

Breakfast of fruit and a muller vitality yoghurt.
Lunch of big soup pot
Dinner of sausage casserole and mash...

All that comes to about 1000 cals.

BetsyBell Mon 30-Dec-13 19:20:30

Hi Skippy - yes, if that's your tdee then that's around what you should eat on NFDs. Look at your calorie intake on a weekly basis rather than daily and you'll see that two 500calorie days = nearly 3000 calorie deficit over the week!

It's simple and it works. grin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Mon 30-Dec-13 19:21:30

Eatriskier - you can drink it tomorrow! wink.

BetsyBell Mon 30-Dec-13 19:22:47

Argh, x post - are you BFing skippy?

Part of the point of fasting is not just the reduced cals but the length of time without food - if you can move that breakfast closer to your lunch so you get a nice big gap between meals, otherwise it just feels like dieting…!

BetsyBell Mon 30-Dec-13 19:27:04

This has turned out to be very much a 16:8 day rather than a proper 5:2 fast day. Seem to have eaten all the home made honeycomb (including the stuff that went wrong), plas half a bar of lindt, plus I really really want to drink more wine.

Ach, it's still the festive season right? I'm not made of very stern stuff and I promise I'll be a helluva lot better in January. TBH I've done extremely well this holiday and have not have that continuous full feeling that I usually have over the festivities. And DS1 has been such a f***** nightmare. <excuses I know>


SkippydedoDaa Mon 30-Dec-13 19:27:32

Hi, no I'm not breastfeeding.

Im working my way through the first thread for all the info on how this works.

I did see the 16 hour gap but I'm confused about when I should aim for this if I'm supposed to be eating normally on non fast days ? confused

TalkinPeace Mon 30-Dec-13 19:28:16

do you really have no snacks or chocolate after supper, no milk or sugar in drinks, no calories in squash / fizzy, no alcohol, no sneaky slice of cheese while making packed lunches?

as that is where the hidden calories lie

and mash .... how much mash - have you weighed it ... because you'll be horrified when you see how little is needed to hit the calories

weighing your food for a few weeks to "get" portion sizes might be quite an eye opener

Mum2Fergus Mon 30-Dec-13 19:28:58

My, these threads move fast lol second FD for me tomorrow...actually looking forward to it...I love a challenge!

BetsyBell Mon 30-Dec-13 19:30:55

skippy 500 cals on fast days then (unless you're a man type, in which case it's 600). Other days should be at tdee-ish.


BetsyBell Mon 30-Dec-13 19:32:46

mum2 It's quite addictive really - I tend to crave a day off after a full on weekend!

What went wrong for me today was staying at home all day and accidentally semi-fasting yesterday.

SkippydedoDaa Mon 30-Dec-13 19:35:04

Oh Talkinpeace I never thought of the hidden calories grin

Not so much of a struggle then! grin

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Mon 30-Dec-13 19:39:47

Hi skippy I'm a newbie too. Best of luck with your first fast. I'm not quite sure when I'll start mine - I need ds to shift his cough first.

dotty 2lbs doesn't sound too bad over Xmas

talkin thanks for the advice. Bigchoc meantioned I should be on 1000 cals if ebf. It's a good job, I would have started on just 600 and probably failed miserably.

I'm hoping this diet works for me. I think I will be a fan of skipping breakfast (and possibly lunch later on).

BsshBossh Mon 30-Dec-13 19:44:14

Thanks BigChoc for the new thread.

All newcomers big welcome. I've been doing 5:2 since February and have lost 3 stones (I'd already lost the first 3 stones in 2012 prior to 5:2 but got bored of the daily calorie counting so switched to 5:2). It really, really works! So long as you stick with it...

EarSlaps Mon 30-Dec-13 19:56:39

Thanks for the new thread BigChoc. Have you started the 5:2 exercisers one yet? If not, would you like me to start one later this eve? On the 5:2 board or the exercise one?

Hello all newbies, welcome to the mad house! I was expecting plenty of new faces after Christmas. I'd definitely recommend starting gently, this is for life, it's not a diet so you will lose the weight if you stick at it.

Well, weighed myself after being away for Christmas and grazing far too much on chocolates and mince pies. However I have remained exactly the same weight! I did miss breakfast most days (nothing I fancied on offer), although I started on the chocolates about 10am. I did manage to get a few runs in too so I guess that helped. Haven't fasted for a couple of weeks, might wait until DS is back at school as long as I don't start creeping up.

BsshBossh Mon 30-Dec-13 20:04:07

Well done EarSlaps. I think that means you've gotten a handle on your appetite. Fantastic!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Mon 30-Dec-13 20:22:47

Thanks for the welcome bash well done on losing 3 stone. I need to shift just under 2 stone.

earslaps nice work on maintaining your weight over Xmas.

I've only just settled the toddler to sleep. For some unknown reason instated singing surfin bird to her at bedtime. One of my more stupid ideas. smile

BsshBossh Mon 30-Dec-13 20:38:21

23 hour LOF successfully completed. Off to enjoy my green veg soup and some fruit. Then 2 NFDs!

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Mon 30-Dec-13 20:49:20

Well I survived my FD today I went over 500 calories, but I'm way under 1000. I am on 650 right now. I'm still having my hot chocolate but I have the options sachets (I don't trust myself not to put too much in without them) so that's only another 40. I'm pleased with how today has gone, even though I could have done without DH having the little comments from time to time. Next week will be easier since I will be at work so I won't have to put up with him.

Welcome to the newbies I had a feeling that this thread would go crazy. Hop

ImABadGirl Mon 30-Dec-13 20:51:55

Hello everyone, I posted right at the end of the old thread and thought I would say hello on this one.

I've just finished a NFD and will now wait 16 hours to eat again which will be a FD (I've decided to do ADF) so will see if I can go longer than 16 hours but I doubt it.

I also plan on going for a bike ride tomorrow but again will see how I get on...

long term fasters, do you find it easy to exercise on FD?

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Mon 30-Dec-13 20:54:36

Aggghh pressed post by accident.

Anyway hope to get to know you soon. I'm kind of a newbie as I haven't done 5:2 properly for a substantial amount of time. I have pretty much maintained since trying to start this a couple of months ago. Now I just need to do it properly for a few weeks which will turn into months.

BsshBossh Mon 30-Dec-13 20:54:48

Well done Biscuits.

ImABadGirl try it and see. I exercise no problems on FDs but others aren't able to at their usual intensity. It could also depend on when you work out.

SkippydedoDaa Mon 30-Dec-13 21:12:25

Sorry to be a pain already [embarrassed]...

But can someone please explain the 16 hour break between meals?

Is this relevant to fast or eat days?

EarSlaps I'm nearly ready to launch the 5:2 exercise thread.

I've collected a huge amount of tips, links and info; I'm just condensing the most important stuff so the 1st message isn't huge. I'll have to add the less vital tips as additional posts.

TalkinPeace Mon 30-Dec-13 21:32:05

have a read through the tips and hints thread - its great
but basically you want to give your digestion a 16 hour break a couple of times a week
the simplest way is to close the kitchen after supper (around 8pm) and then not eat anything till lunch the following day - ie just have tea or coffee for breakfast

EarSlaps Mon 30-Dec-13 21:35:46

Looking forward to it BigChoc grin

ImABadGirl Mon 30-Dec-13 21:38:11

I had a yoghurt at 8:30pm so I won't eat now until 16 hours time ie 1230 tomorrow, I don't think it's compulsory

Coveredinweetabix Mon 30-Dec-13 22:13:06

I finally plucked up the courage to weigh myself this morning and have put 10lbs on since the first week of December. I'm not too bothered as that is fairly typical for me at this time of year and most - if not all - of it will be gone by the end of Jan. It did inspire me to try and have a FD today. It was hard work! Probably in part due to being full of sugar having eaten masses of Quality Street yesterday. I was really grumpy in the run up to lunch and was very relieved to eat. As we still have guests, the FD didn't stay entirely on track as I had a small slice of Christmas cake and a biscotti but at least I didn't have breakfast, supper or a snack this morning. I'll try and have another day of sensible choices on Monday before starting fasting again on Mon.

Welcome to all of the newbies. It's great to see so many of you. Once you get into the swing of it, it's surprisingly easy.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Mon 30-Dec-13 22:20:52

I'm also looking forward to the fitness thread I could use some expert tips about what is best to go along with this WOE and my running.

Skippy I do 16:8 if I don't think I can get a FD in like over Christmas. I plan to stick to 16:8 when I have a couple of consecutive NFDs. I have something little at 10:30 (if I'm hungry) and eat my evening meal at 6 so finish eating at 18:30.

I hope to work my way up to 20+ hour fasts during 2014.

whatawonderfulworld Mon 30-Dec-13 22:27:17

Have found my way over from the old thread but wanted to add thanks for the responses re: how to manage family meals. Tonight I just had a bit of the steak and roasted veg, but avoided the potatoes (though I reeeally wanted them), and I am ok so far but hopefully won't get late-night hungry as I am out of calories to use up. I like that we can still all sit down together and be eating the same meal.

I find it really hard to sleep if hungry though, and a hot drink never seems to cut it. I fear late nights will be my downfall on FDs!

Southeastdweller Mon 30-Dec-13 22:47:41

Thanks for the kind words on the previous thread and to BigChoc for this thread.

I take my hat off to everyone starting in this gap between Christmas and New Year - I bet some of you have still got calorific food lying around?

I'm fasting Thursday as I go back to work then so should be busy. Wednesday I'm starting off 2014 in style with a big breakfast out locally as well as some hair of the dog later on wink

MrsFlorrick Mon 30-Dec-13 22:49:19

Bigchoc and Earslaps. I'm with you for the 5:2 exercise thread grin

I've restarted Week 4 of Ripped in 30 today. So I'm back on it. Ready to dig deep and fight for it.

EarSlaps Mon 30-Dec-13 22:56:33

Go MrsF! I started Ripped tonight- I started on level 2 as I heard level 1 was pretty easy. I didn't instantly love it like I did the shred, but I'm sure it will grow on me. I've been looking at getting some proper adjustable cast iron dumbells so I can start building up my strength in my arms. I've got some tiny little biceps developing so I'd like to improve those a bit and get a bit more definition around the shoulders.

MrsFlorrick Mon 30-Dec-13 23:00:35

Earslaps. Ripped really is a step up from Shred and 6w6p. Weeks 3 and 4 are actually really hard. I struggle to keep up. Which is nice. that way you know it's doing something.

I do Ripped with 3kg weights. I won't up that as the moves are too fast.

I need to focus on building more muscle and reducing body fat. I'm still 6/7 lbs off goal weight and quite wobbly around stomach and backside. The rest is all fine.

Time to dig deep.

Leopardspots Mon 30-Dec-13 23:16:03

Hi all, newbie here!

Trying to read all the hints & tips and hoping for some moral support smile

I have been ttc for 2 yrs and have been put on the IUI waiting list but I need to get my bmi from 34 to 30 first so I'm going to try the 5:2.

Only problem I have is I'm medicated type 2 diabetic and need to take my medication 3 times a day with food so can't actual 'fast' for long periods of time. Do you think it would still work? I currently low carb but cannot seem to loose weight.

Fingers crossed! Thanks all smile

BsshBossh Mon 30-Dec-13 23:33:00

Welcome Leopard. Many 5:2ers fast by spreading their 500 cals across two or three meals. The key thing for weightloss is the 500 calorie restriction. You'll be fine. Good luck!

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Mon 30-Dec-13 23:43:30

Marking place.

hopefulgum Tue 31-Dec-13 00:23:54

OMG!Page 3 already, this thread is like wildfire....

Not much to say, so marking my place. Hello to newbies. This thread has really kept me motivated, particularly over the Christmas madness!

My grilled peaches and mascarpone really hit the spot last night. I was very pleased to have finished the day just under TDEE. Today will be a bit more of a challenge as it is New Year's Eve and we are going out to dinner at an Indian restaurant. I'll try to go light all day.

I know with this way of eating I shouldn't worry too much about what I eat on NFD's, but my BMI is high and I need to get it down, so I will try to stick with TDEE on NFD's, so clues anyone, about what to choose to eat tonight that isn't a massive calorie bomb?confused

I am feeling more and more determined to shift the extra weight, and though on the other thread I said "I don't want to count calories on NFD's", I think I will because I'm hurtling towards 50 (I'm 47) and I know that as I age I will get heavier and I just don't want to feel bad in my skin anymore.So 2014 is the year I will get down to a healthy BMIgrin

Leopardspots Tue 31-Dec-13 00:42:40

Thanks. Here's to a lighter 2014! smile

ChubbyKitty Tue 31-Dec-13 00:57:20

Yay I found the new threadsmile

MrsFlorrick Tue 31-Dec-13 01:02:57

Lots of newbies!! grin Welcome one and all.

This thread is a friendly place with some extremely helpful people.

Happy new year to you all.



collecting all our fitness and exercise tips in one place:



Have a look at it and start exercising ! Or add your own tips.

It's very long, blush because I had to include the academic stuff that some of us like as well as the pure "how to do things".

Greenkit Tue 31-Dec-13 02:45:01

Hello, I did post on the other thread but only one or two posts. I was really excited about trying the 5:2 diet as I have heard great things about it, but found I suffered from a migraine when fasting.

How do I get around this?

EarSlaps Tue 31-Dec-13 06:22:51

Greenkit- did you drink lots and lots of water? Normally we get most of the water we need from our food, so if you're not eating as much you need to make sure you drink more. Also, some people find they need something salty on fast days- a drink of hot bovril if you're struggling is really good. I don't normally like things salty but on fast days I crave salt.

ELR Tue 31-Dec-13 07:23:08

greenkit I suffer from migraine so ensure that I drink plenty on fast days and as earslaps says something salty, I have a cup of veg bouillon. Also if you normally drink tea or coffee keep that up too as it could caffeine withdrawal.
If fasting on waking I have a large glass of water followed about half an hour later with a cup if tea, I then have another tea mid morning then a large glass of water and a small lunch as I split my calories, then a tea. I have another large glass of water around 3pm then around 4.30ish I have a cup of hot bouillon. Then dinner around 6/7 and a tea around 8pm then before bed a small glass of water.

ELR Tue 31-Dec-13 07:30:34

In other news I got weighed this morning and pleased to report I am
10st 7lb the same weight I was on 19th December so have not gained over Christmas. I did a mini fast on Saturday and yesterday skipping breakfast and having around 1000-1200 calories.
So I'm finishing 2013 a total of 7.5lbs lighter than I started it!
It is however 9.5lbs heavier than I was in July but this is the first time in 8 years I have been less than 10st10lb my default weight on 31st December.
Roll on 2014!!!

hi All, welcome to all the newbies. just checking in after over a week of festivities! I decided to do 6:1 over the 2 weeks hols and fasted yesterday and last Monday... I do feel as if I've put a couple of pounds back on..but that will soon drop off once I get back on 5:2 next Monday . The end of January will mark my 1st year anniversary of this WOE ...
Looking forward to today's NFD work today but we're having party food and Roast Pheasant for New Year's Eve dinner tonight .
happy New Year's to another great year of continued fasting and good health! X

Mazzledazzle Tue 31-Dec-13 08:13:54

Morning guys! And may I say you are a talkative bunch smile.

Haven't had a chance to read the rest of the thread yet, but just checking in with another loss. I'm now half a pound lighter than I was just before the Chrisymas splurge! That's nine and a half pounds down in the last month.

Usually after a FD, by body craves sugar and carbs, but woke up today and I'm not hungry! Someone said in the last thread that your body will adjust and it obviously has.

Thanks for the exercise thread bigchoc I'll have a look later. And well done DLR! Also thanks for the advice re. migraine as I get them too.

Mazzledazzle Tue 31-Dec-13 08:14:27


Eatriskier Tue 31-Dec-13 08:32:11

I didn't hit the champers last night in the end. It felt a little wrong considering were not sure if her not coming back was to do with emigrating, being homed or death. And her son who threatened to kill Dd when she was 5mo seems to be in possession of the house. Though at least we won't be victims to her paranoid delusions any more (and neither will the neighbours on the other side).

I'm splurging tonight. Really looking forward to it! Gotta welcome new year in style. My style will includes a lot of food and bubbly whilst wearing a cookie monster onesie and watching sherlock.

Hope everyone has a good one tonight however they're celebrating (including those who are choosing to fast)

It's lovely hitting teh end of teh year knowing that I'm in better shape than when i started it! I began 5:2ing mid January, so that's just about a full year done. And I still love it, and am looking forward to continuing in 2014.

Right, I'm off to the fitness thread, and I'm taking my hula hoop with me!

BsshBossh Tue 31-Dec-13 08:56:23

Happy New Years Eve everyone! We're celebrating quietly at home tonight. I've skipped breakfast then will have a normal lunch and dinner (so a 16:8 day). I'm going to make a baked halibut with wilted greens, tahini sauce & pine nuts (from the current Red magazine) for dinner, then we'll have Christmas pudding and brandy cream followed by some "posh chocs". What's everyone else having?

BsshBossh Tue 31-Dec-13 08:56:48

Whoops, forgot to say: well done Christmas maintainers and losers!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Tue 31-Dec-13 08:57:30

Hi leopard I'm new too so can't answer any of your questions just wanted to wish you luck with the weight loss and ttc.

It took me 1 year to conceive dc 2 (9 weeks old) and I wish you the very best of luck with it.

hopeful not sure what to eat for an Indian, just try and avoid creamy stuff I guess.

I might have a quick look at what you guys are up to on the except use thread. I fancy trying the shred but there's no way I have time for it at the moment.

BsshBossh Tue 31-Dec-13 09:00:22

hopeful why don't you fast all day so you can really splurge and enjoy your Indian meal tonight? That's what I'd do. Or have a light breakfast and skip lunch. And definitely no snacking...

Bramblesinforrin Tue 31-Dec-13 09:01:34

Hello to all newbies.

Well, thinking positively, I am in better shape and so much light than a year ago. And thinking positively again, I'm sure I will lose the few extra lbs I have put back on over Christmas - it goes on so quickly! A lighter eating day today before I go out to a nye party, then back to fasting twice a week until I'm back to that target weight.

Good luck evyone.

Emmabryant123 Tue 31-Dec-13 09:54:26

Managed a 16:8 yesterday in the end.Wasnt to bad either.
Lunch around 12pm was:
Porridge with banana and nuts and raisins in
Tea around5pm was a cheese and beans toastie and a ham and cheese toastie and a yoghurt.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Tue 31-Dec-13 10:10:34

<twirls as christmas maintainer>

Thanks for the new threads BigChoc

Welcome to new posters, you won't regret joining at all. All the evidence is there, not just about the fantastic weight loss, but all the health benefits too.

And as a NSV, I've been shopping this week and have dropped almost 3 sizes since the summer, and a half shoe size!

LOFD today and just gearing myself up for a run too

Good luck everyone for today, and a happy and healthier new year thanks

Well done everyone who has achieved SWATH (Same Weight After The Holidays)
(me too, so far)
Amazing that some eager tykes have actually lost weight !

Think how much you would have gained pre-5:2.

Southeastdweller Tue 31-Dec-13 10:18:33

Bssh Your dinner sounds fab as usual. I'm going to La Fromagerie later for some sourdough bread and cheese and then go into Rococo opposite for some chocolate.

hopeful I agree with Bssh about fasting all day then eat whatever you want tonight. Indian food is generally very calorie-dense isn't it so it's hard to eat light if you're not full when you get there.

Yes it sure does feel good to go into a brand new year looking and feeling an all-time best smile

I haven't done New year Resolutions before, but how about these ?
New Year Resolutions for 5:2ers ?

Stop having intimate dinners for four....
Unless there are three other people.

After your healthier high fibre, veggy, beany meals:
Don't blame the dog, when you fart. Or at least, for credibility, make sure there is an actual live dog in the house.

Always good advice:
Don't take a laxative and a sleeping pill on the same night.

BsshBossh Tue 31-Dec-13 10:25:54

Southeast enjoy your foodie day smile Marylebone is wonderful for food isn't it.

Butteredsidedown Tue 31-Dec-13 10:26:34


I've got the book, the diet book, I've watched the horizon programme, and I've placed my sainsburys delivery order. Sign me up I'm in for the long haul!

I'd love to get 28lbs down but I'm in it for the feeling better kick, rather than quick weight loss, though that would be great too! I want to feel clean again.

I did a couple of fast days pre Christmas and I struggled, but it did feel good. Now I want to go into it with a lot of back up info to see me through.

If anyone wants to add me on mfp my username is the same as here...Possibly should change my username to something not involving butter?!

BsshBossh Tue 31-Dec-13 10:29:55

Buttered welcome. I think butter in your username is perfect for this WOE as we can enjoy any full fat, wholesome foods we want - nothing is off limits on 5:2!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Tue 31-Dec-13 10:40:08

Welcome all newbies!

I haven't fasted for over a week. 4lbs on. DH ill. DD ill. DS2 ill. I'm ill. Cat brought in a mouse. Made apricot scones and mince pies. Had nothing but a Lemsip all day. Asthma bad again. Seriously fed up. DH back to work on Thursday. All this illness because a thoughtless person went into work ill.

Had hoped to get out today. Have barely the energy to move off the sofa.

Fridge full of lovely food, especially cheese and nothing appeals. How I am still putting on weight I don't know.

BetsyBell Tue 31-Dec-13 11:01:08

After a massive fd fail deferment yesterday, involving far more wine than was really necessary I've now decided to use my unused jar of mincemeat as a chelsea bun filler. I also turned a half pot of unused double cream into butter, because, why not grin

I will not be joining those reporting delightful Christmas losses!

However, bigchoc's amazing exercise thread has made me feel utterly shamed about the lack of exercise in my life for a few months, so January will be full of exercise (taekwondo and Jillian) and distinctly lacking in delicious, buttery baked goods. Well, maybe one day a week...

BetsyBell Tue 31-Dec-13 11:04:21

skippy I see I entirely misread your post yesterday nothing to do with the aforementioned quantities of wine, good job Tip was on hand to offer sensible sober tips grin

toffee ugh, it's really dragging out in your house isn't it? So sorry you've spent the entire holiday feeling awful sad

butter - remember that good feeling - it'll get you through the harder fasts (though they do get easier, mostly!)

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Tue 31-Dec-13 11:38:05

It really is BetsyBell and tbh I feel like crying. I am rarely ill and certainly nothing more than a cough or cold usually that don't count. Now all this sad.

DinoSnores Tue 31-Dec-13 12:07:38

Hope that you all feel better soon, toffee.

I've been enjoying Fitness Blender workouts on Youtube. I get bored very easily if I know what's coming next and find it difficult to keep motivated, and there are hundreds of them so I've been doing a different one each day. Haven't tried any of the 1000 kcal workouts yet though or plan to ever

It is a fast day here, and then we are off to a party this evening so food there will be my 500 kcal or thereabouts. Finding it a bit harder to fast today. We had a very disturbed night with my DD so I'm feeling shattered and hungry!

Welcome, buttered. I don't have a huge amount of weight I want to lose but I am definitely feeling better and making better choices, so it is good that you can see all the benefits before you, not just the weight loss.

Better carry on with my big list of jobs for today. See you next year!

Are YOU getting any ? <that should bring some answers>
-Has 5:2 motivated you to exercise more / differently ?
-Have you found a really enjoyable new workout <lifting cake doesn't count> / inspiring gym class / effective DVD or YouTube routine ?
- Did you do a great Park Run ?
- What hoop do you use and how many bruises ?
- Did you thrash the hunks at situps and make them cry ?
- Any exercise tips or science you want to add ?

Even if your tights split or your bra flew off in Tae-Bo, or if you went jogging and took a header into horse droppings - tell us on the new 5:2 Exercise Thread Here

Not2bObvious Tue 31-Dec-13 12:46:27

Happy New Year's Eve all! Just checking in and wondering whether in allowed some grace before official post holiday WI? Surely a fast day or two under the very tight belt? I did a sneaky wi this morning but only for the purposes of putting my head in the game, the took myself out for a 5 mile walk, you do the mathwink
Toffee still standing by my theory of bloating/fluid, obv not undigested food if you haven't eaten. You haven't gained 4 pound, no way not having it. If someone, theoretically gained in that region but drank/ate rings about themselves for a week then yes I'd accept that (obv not really as in denial) but you couldn't have. House of sickness here too, a wk away and littlest dd and dh taking turns to be sick. So I feel your pain.
Welcome to all the new folk, hope everyone have a lovely evening. On a 16:8 in advance of dinner out (if the patients can make it!)

Toffee I rarely get colds, but when I do, I always put on weight too and my tum bloats a bit.
I think it is a mixture of:
a) much less physical activity - no training or chores
b) fluid etc from inflammation - all that snot & phlegm is stored somewhere.
Just try to eat healthily, if possible cutting out any treats of cake, bix etc. that might increase bloating.

When you are well and active again, the weight should go soon.
Hang in there flowers

Emmabryant123 Tue 31-Dec-13 13:32:33

Back on it Thursday made my meals Allready.
Chicken noodle soup for lunch (tin) 126 calories . Going to take it in my flask.
Dinner- huge salad with a bit of the spag Bol family is having (but not the spaghetti just the mince)
Will be so much easier as I'm at work!

somewherebecomingrain Tue 31-Dec-13 13:42:18

Marking place. Got a food processor for Xmas so those veg soups should be so much easier.

Happy new year all the good folk on here x

Hello! I fell off the threads (but not 5:2!) for about a month. I'm still plateaued around 10.7 (which is a Christmas scale victory!).

Revised target for 2014 - under 9.7 by my 30th birthday which is March 24th. Totally do-able. I'm aiming for really bloody healthy eating as well as 5:2 now, eating very little grains suits my body, so I'm doing that. I'm not low carbing (mmmm...potatoes!) but grain seems to make me feel sluggish so I'm not going to eat them as a normal part of my diet.

waves to new people 5:2 is awesome, I have lost 45lb since June. It has been expensive though. I can't stop buying beautiful new vintage clothes grin I was too fat to do more than look at them before! It has sorted out my comfort eating too.

Bigchoc love your resolutions!

Welcome all newcomers, buttered I have sent you a friend request on MFP (I'm snailrunner on there).

Get well soon toffee

I just checked my historical weights on MFP...on Jan 4th I was 10.6kg heavier than I was this morning and I got heavier before I started 5:2 in Feb half term! I'm still comfortably within my maintainenance zone right now so that will do for me. Still two boxes of chocs left in the fridge though!

I'm sort of doing 16:8 today but it's being driven by emotional upset rather than fasting. Eldest DC (16) is in meltdown and taking us all over the edge with him sad

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Tue 31-Dec-13 13:49:25

I just went out!! First time out in days and we had a walk. We needed to get out. It was nice but I am tired now. I have been eating a bit but not as much as usual though I have had some chocolate. I really don't want to go to the doctor as I can't see they can do anything even with me having asthma. I know I am bunged up as I struggle to hear properly at times and definitely don't have my full voice.

I feel so sorry for dh too.

ELR Tue 31-Dec-13 14:13:47

lucy we are scale and almost birthday twins!! I am 10.7 and want to be 9.7 by my birthday which is 23rd march but sadly I will be 37 not 30!! We can do this!!
Chin up toffee it's a new year tomorrow, I'm sending you my best wishes and good vibes and really hope you feel better xxxxx

TalkinPeace Tue 31-Dec-13 15:45:35

Your resolutions are as mental as you are. LOVE IT

Toffee ( and everybody else who has been lurgied over Christmas )
I have pelarrgoniums in flower by my back door here in Hampshire.. On New Years Eve.
Why is that relevant?
Because the weather has been mild and wet for the last month
so there has been no cold weather to kiil off the bugs and nasties floating around and passing from person to person.
Also the foul weather has kept everybody indoors sneezing on each other.

the forecast for Thursday is good, all over the UK
so plan what you are going to do that involves being out in the fresh air and vitamin D giving rays - even a gentle amble and letting kids throw a frisbee for a couple of hours
will do all of us a world of good.

Toffee Explain tactfully to your cat that you aren't hungry at the moment.
He/she/it is obviously trying to tempt your appetite, bringing in these yummy mice so often.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Tue 31-Dec-13 16:28:29

DH might go to work on Thursday so I will be on my own for the first time with the kids for ages. I will get us out for at least a walk though.

We have told the cats not to bring any more presents but they don't listen. DS2 is very good at spotting them and shutting the door quickly after I run off, pathetically grin.

TalkinPeace Tue 31-Dec-13 16:55:44

For all those feeling a bit crap ...
this is an excellent summary of why these threads are great for helping each other through

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Tue 31-Dec-13 17:30:05

Lucy your post was really inspiring thanks smile

Any tips for post bug eating? I am avoiding lactose. Poor stomach is very acidic. Mostly surviving on white carbs which we had to buy specially.

Mum2Fergus Tue 31-Dec-13 18:34:01

FD2 over with, gone slightly over 500 (524) but off to bed soon with stinky head cold. Happy 2014 when it comes...see you in the other side!xx

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Tue 31-Dec-13 18:51:04

Hope you feel better soon, Mum2Fergus.

Did I dream it or is there a 5:2 recipe thread where we post ideas for FD meals separately to this one?

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Tue 31-Dec-13 19:16:50

Just checking in. NFD for me today which has turned into a 16:8. We did get some drink in, but neither me nor DH can be bothered and figure why should we. We've never been fans of NYE anyway even in our younger, going out drinking phase. It just feels like any other Tuesday I only would be having a couple of drinks because I feel like I have to, they would just be wasted calories.

Tomorrow I am going to measure myself to see where I start 2014. I will report back. I will also make a note on my profile so I can find it again in a month's time, I will only lose it if I write it down. I'm looking forward to next year and this WOL.

Hope you feel better soon Mum and Toffee and anyone else who is under the weather.

Tomorrow is another 16:8 and Parkrun followed by FD on Thursday.

Eatriskier Tue 31-Dec-13 20:46:36

Just had my new year's eve ruined by the revelation Sherlock is on tomorrow. I'd been so looking forward to it tonight to sad. More wine to numb the pain then?

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Tue 31-Dec-13 20:49:12

mum 524cals sounds pretty good to me. Well done

biscuits how does a 16:8 but a nfd work? Do you eat a normal amount of calories but miss breakfast?

I'm planning a fast tomorrow. Will be my first one, I can have 1000 cals as I am breast feeding (thanks for the info guys), it is really unplanned so I'm planning on putting off eating as late as possible.

Breadandwine Tue 31-Dec-13 21:23:10

Been here all along, Toffee. grin

Loads of ideas on there - but I bet you can add to them, given your skills!

Hope you're feeling better - if not now, very soon! flowers

Thanks for the new thread, BC - and the namecheck, which wasn't really necessary, but thanks, anyway.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Tue 31-Dec-13 21:29:13

whenshewas I should be calorie counting, but I haven't really started 5:2 properly yet, waiting till I'm back at work (I start a new job next week). So I've been taking the easier option of just doing 16:8 for a couple of weeks. I've not had breakfast for months now so I'm finding it really easy to ease myself into this WOE. Next week I will make sure I stick to my TDEE on NFDs.

funny asked about this, maybe useful to others recovering from bugs

Recovering from colds

- Eat veg & fruit rich in anti-oxidants and vitamin C: garlic (best of all), also bell peppers,Brussels sprouts, broccoli, cabbage, veg/tomato juice, oranges, berries, kiwifruit etc
- Eat good-quality protein: fish, beans, lentils, unprocessed lean meat
- Eat a few squares of dark chocolate, at least 70% cocoa.
- Get plenty of sleep
- Take gentle exercise, e.g. walks outdoors in dry weather

- Alcohol
- Added sugar, including in cakes, biscuits, tarts, confectionary
- Heavily processed foods
- Long runs or HIIT for at least 1 week after last symptoms

hopefulgum Tue 31-Dec-13 23:37:19

Another great thing that will help you recover from illness(and prevent it) is bone broth, or as I know it, stock made from bones. In the last couple of years I have changed my WOE drastically - starting out going Gluten free (which banished a great deal of bloating and tummy woes), then discovering the Paleo woe - no grains, grass fed meat, loads of fruit and vege and healthy fats, and discovered "bone broth" through Paleo.

Apparently it has all sorts of health benefits, and the minerals and gelatine in the broth is great for your gut, which in turn affects all aspects of our health.

Here's some info, if you are interested.I always make a big pot of it to drink when I am sick, or if someone in the family is ill. After having a D&V bug, it is usually the only thing I can face.

Thanks for the tips about the Indian food. I had a look online, and most of it really is a calorie laden bomb! So Although I didn't fast until dinner, I did go light and had 1000 calories to spare for dinner. I heartily tried all the dishes our group ordered and indulged in some gluten free naan. But I did say no to dessert and only had one gin and tonic all night. I was so pleased (and I'd even call it a NSV for me) that after finishing what was on my plate I was able to stop eating despite there being plenty of food left on the table. I felt full and just stopped where before I would have "just a little bit more".

Sticking to TDEE today and fasting tomorrow. I almost feel excited about it. How weirdconfusedgrin

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Breadandwine Wed 01-Jan-14 02:22:51

I've had a response to your good wishes ready for the past two hours, but Mumsnet wouldn't let me post it. sad

It was along the lines of:
Wow, BigChoc! How did you do that? Very impressive!

Happy New Year to you - and to all fasters and maintainers. This is the year you'll meet your goals - whether to lose weight or maintain. smile


Happy new year, B&W. I'm glad you could read it.
I programmed my message like a fancy SMS
It displayed ok with the Safari browser on iPad and iPhone, but is gibberish with the MN App on iPhone.
Oh, well, long past bedtime. G'night.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 01-Jan-14 08:17:16

Happy New Year Everyone!

Great picture BigChoc!

Thank you BreadandWine. blush that I have missed it. Still coughing and feel tight. Bored now with it all. DH back to work tomorrow and we didn't get a minute on our own never mind the lunch out we planned sad.

I feel fat. Definitely podgier around the middle. Have clearly been eating more calories than I thought. Today I feel flat so not sure what I will do. DS2 is coughing really badly sad. Just pants.

Lovely picture, BigChoc!

Happy New Year everyne, onwards and downwards eh? I've done my hula-hooping, am off now to try ParkRunning fasted.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Wed 01-Jan-14 09:33:26

Morning everyone, and all the best for 2014

Melanie I often run when fasting, 5k or less isn't far enough to need extra fuel, and if you can get a decent pace (which I suspect you can) is great for fat-burning.

I fasted yesterday, 250cals, and meant to weigh in when I was in town but was distracted having DD and DH with me and forgot. I actually feel slimmer now, it's strange how your perception is skewed. Training your eyes isn't just about portion control for me.

BsshBossh Wed 01-Jan-14 09:43:53

Happy New Year everyone! Feel a bit bloated from over-indulging on the chocolates last night. I'm not a drinker really so the only hangover I'm suffering this morning is a chocolate one grin.

Our annual New Year's Day tradition is a long walk across Hampstead Heath then pizza in Kentish Town but it's due to really bucket down mid-morning... I want to brave it as we've done it every year but... We'll see. DH is up for it but my 5yo has other ideas!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 01-Jan-14 09:53:04

I have bacon and stilton pull-apart bread in the oven. It looks very nice. Probably more calories than a FD would allow grin.

Happy New Year to you all...and a skinnier one too!

BetsyBell Wed 01-Jan-14 09:55:42

Happy new year everyone smile

Nice pic bigchoc (on my laptop anyway wink )

Having indulged 2 nights ago I didn't drink yesterday. I snacked all day though so was preparing for a fast day today.

But then yesterday's baking looked at me; begged me to put it out of it's misery. So one huge mincepie chelsea bun consumed and the rest hacked into small pieces and put in the freezer blush

So, today is not a fast day then.

Tomorrow is Thursday which is an excellent day for fasting grin

Good job as I really need it - feeling the size of a small elephant today. Weighed down by baked goods, pastries and pringles. Bleugh.

I think I need to ditch the sugar and grains again for a while. Not sure I can manage all that until we're back at school/work though.

Hmm, maybe I need to make this my last festive day, fast tomorrow then back to the clean eating.

Nothing like indecisiveness is there!

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Wed 01-Jan-14 10:09:35

Well I so wish I hadn't measured myself although I know I needed to. I'm much bigger than I thought I would be. Here are my stats:

Height: 5:5
Weight: 10 stone 12lbs
BMI: 25.2 (according to NHS website)
Bust: 40 inches
Just under bust: 33 inches
Belly: 40 inches shock sad
Hips: 38 inches
Each thigh: 22 inches
Dress size: 14 confused how with that large belly hmm

Anyway so that's how I'm starting off the year. Will be interesting to see how it changes.

Eatriskier Wed 01-Jan-14 10:17:50

Happy New Year all.
May you be less hungover than me wink

biscuits Don't feel too bad about your waist measurement, a few weeks after I started this woe I measured in at 44 inches (and I'd lost about 10lb by that stage so god knows what it was originally). I am now sporting a rather teeny 26inch waist. You can do it and it will go!

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Wed 01-Jan-14 10:29:18

Thanks eat I was just shocked how big I was. It's a good thing to know though so I'm not fooling myself.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Wed 01-Jan-14 11:04:44

DH has just shocked me.

We are having our usual mid morning drink. Now usually we will have a bite to eat too (when I'm not fasting). So in he comes with our drinks and no food. I asked him about it and he has decided that from now on he's not going to eat if he's not hungry. It's his new thing apparently. I don't know if it will last but I hope it does. The problem I have now is that I'm hungry grin Will just stick with my drink and wait until lunch in just over an hour. A bit of hunger won't kill me.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Wed 01-Jan-14 11:13:27

toffee sorry your ds is still ill mine still has a cough and is very phlegmy, this cold really sucks.

biscuits you are very brave measuring yourself after Xmas. I don't think I have the guts to do my measurements and I don't know where the tape measure is

eat 44 inches to 26 is amazing, I had a 26 inch waist when I was 16, I think those days are long gone. sad

I have more to lose than you

Height 5 foot 7
Weight 11 stone 10
Bmi 25.7

I am more of a pear shape, I know it's healthier but I hate having a fat ass and thunder thighs.

This is my first ever fast day. So far I've had 88 calories and am a bit hungry. Remembered that dh's mum and dad are coming round later and cooking us dinner. It's so sweet of them but will make it hard to stick within my 1000 cal limit.

positively9something Wed 01-Jan-14 11:29:41

Happy new year all grin

I am just marking my spot on the new thread and I will be back soon to have a proper look at how we are all doing wink

mttum Wed 01-Jan-14 11:45:19

Happy new Year everyone!

Oops, I somehow appear to have put on 6lb over the last two weeks; how could that have happened?

Let the fasting commence!! (Tomorrow - Indian takeaway planned for tonight grin)

vieenrose Wed 01-Jan-14 11:46:05

Happy New Year fellow 5:2ers!
Am starting 2014 with a fast!
I had quite an indulgent meal last night but it was worth it: oysters, fresh crab and gambas, homemade mayonnaise, delicious bread, cheese, apple tart, and loads of wine and champagne.
Time to get back on track after a week off for the holidays
I wish everybody much happiness in the new year

Breadandwine Wed 01-Jan-14 11:53:32

I have bacon and stilton pull-apart bread in the oven.

Toffee you're amazing! You've been feeling crap for days, now, you said yourself you've no energy - yet you drop that lovely bit of baking into the thread without even thinking about it!

Wonderful! [star]

Any chance of a recipe? smile

I wouldn't worry about fasting - I think you should just pamper yourself until you feel well again. You know the weight will come off when you put your mind to it. flowers

Breadandwine Wed 01-Jan-14 12:04:42

Posted too early!

Meant to say I'm fasting tomorrow - and I need to plan an early dinner tonight. If I can finish that by 6, it means that, by the time I go to be about 2am, I'll have 8 hours in the bag - gives me a head start.

About baking: yesterday I made a large loaf (overnight, no kneading) - 1.1kg - which I cut into 16 chunks of around 70g each. Last year at this time I would have cut it into 100g chunks.

Then I made some Peshwari naan - in the oven - since we we'd sent out for an Indian meal. It was really busy, so we had to wait nearly two hours. Back along I'd have been chewing the carpet and getting very impatient. But in fact I was quite serene, albeit knocking back a bit more stout than I intended whilst waiting.

Earlier I'd made a vegan trifle, only to find I'd run out of soya cream - something I always have in the cupboard! So I had it without.

I find the sponge cooked in the microwave too light for a trifle - I like a solid sponge for the jelly to soak into. Next time I'll bake the sponge in the oven.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Wed 01-Jan-14 12:11:02

So just worked out my body fat percentage and its classed as obese, I'm confused now. My BMI is just into the overweight bordering on healthy whereas body fat is 39.1% so just into obese. That's my huge belly for you.

Had a bit of a wake-up call there. 2 years ago I was a stone and a half heavier, can't begin to imagine how bad I was then. No more thinking that I was OK. I'm really not.

Southeastdweller Wed 01-Jan-14 12:21:30

Happy new year everyone!

Little exercise and plenty of yummy food the past five days is leading me to a much-needed fast day tomorrow. My gym is open today so I'm going there for a couple of hours and I'm hoping my packet of sea salt caramel fudge I opened earlier lasts until Sunday!

* biscuits* Do you think he had a sneaky look at the book when you weren't around? wink

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 01-Jan-14 12:36:24

I forgot to measure. I haven't fasted for over a week. Not sure when to try again tbh as still not 100%. Any more advice?

Bacon and stilton pull-apart.

Prep - 25 mins
Cooking time - 25-30mins.
Serves 16

450g white self-raising flour.
1/4 tsp salt (I didn't put this in).
2 tsp baking powder.
85g diced butter.
1 egg, beaten.
About 200ml milk.
15 g butter - for later, needs melting.
115g cooked cold lean smoked back bacon, finely chopped (I left it cm size).
115g stilton cheese, crumbled.
Beaten egg to glaze (I used milk, and it was fine.)

Preheat oven to 200C.

Grease a deep 25cm round cake tin and set aside. *I used 2 cake tins of about 8 inches).

Sift the flour, salt and baking powder into a large bowl. (I don't sift and it all went in the food mixer to make the dough). Lightly rub in the butter. Add the egg and enough milk to form a soft dough.

Turn the dough onto a lightly floured surface and knead gently. Roll out to form a 40cm x 28cm rectangle. Lightly brush with the melted better evenly over the dough. Scatter the chopped bacon evenly over the dough then sprinkle the crumbled stilton cheese over the top.

Starting from the long side, roll up the dough fairly tightly like a Swiss roll. Cut into 16 even pieces (I was quite relaxed about this an di think I got about 12 pieces) then place the rolls, cut side up, in a circular pattern, so the slices are touching each other.

Brush the tops of the spirals with the beaten egg (I used milk) then bake for 25-30 minutes, or until risen and golden brown. Cool slightly in the tin, then turn out and invert onto a wire rack. Serve warm or cold.

Warm - they are divine.
Cold - still very tasty.


FunnyFestiveTableRunner Wed 01-Jan-14 12:37:12

Happy new year all of you.

Thanks BigChoc for the post bug tips. My appetite is definitely leading me towards certain foods. Had a chicken stir fry last night and it really settled my stomach. Muesli with almond milk this morning and veg broth for lunch. Going to have pork fillet and plenty of potatoes and veg for tea. Can't stomach any crap.

I have decided I am going to combine old WW plan and 5:2. I would rather count points than calories and I used to do the Wendy Plan as people called it - 2 low point days, some at normal points and at least one at very high points. So my fast days will be 8-10 points which leaves decent points for the other days. I need some structure because at the minute on non fast days I go mad.

Time for a name change too I reckon now that the festive season is over! wink

BetsyBell Wed 01-Jan-14 12:42:21

B&W that's what I'm thinking too - eat early this evening to get the fasting underway! 24 hours of liquid only then a nice bit of dinner.

Easy grin

Just got to remember that evening snacking is now back off the menu.

tomorrowweeat Wed 01-Jan-14 12:43:17

Hi Newbies and Old Friends smile Well the good news is I'm still a stone lighter than I was this time last year. But since stopping 5:2 ing in the Summer (long story/lots of silly excuses) I have managed to regain 1 stone 5 lbs of the weight I'd lost. Oh well, I'm back now with renewed enthusiasm. Good job really as at 13.5 I have a serious amount to lose.
First fast of the year today and I have a lovely pot of veg soup bubbling away in anticipation of my lunch (and dinner)
Good luck everyone.

BetsyBell Wed 01-Jan-14 12:45:57

biscuits 2014 is going to be the year you change all that - new job to look forward to and all the skills in your locker to get a new body too. smile

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Wed 01-Jan-14 12:52:59

Exactly Betsy

Happy New Year! I'm not fasting today...too hungover. We had a big party last night. I was mostly sensible though and several hours of dancing is good exercise right?

whenshewasbad <waves pom poms> you can do it!

<Waves another Happy New Year>


Visceral fat (around the organs) is more dangerous than subcutaneous (under the skin).
The critical place to measure visceral fat is at the narrowest part of your trunk, 1-2 inches above the navel.

I think this is what we mean, on this thread at least, by waist measurement.

Losing Belly Fat

Combining IF with HIIT, which increases insulin sensitivity and burns more calories, is the optimum strategy for losing belly fat.

In your body, B-2 receptors are the ones that signal that it’s time to burn fat, as opposed to a-2 receptors, which signal it to hold onto fat deposits.

As you fast, the insulin levels in your body drop, which eventually inhibits the a-2 receptors and activates the b-2 receptors to start burning fat. Thus, when you eat again, the body is prepared to burn these calories rather than store them as fat.

Stubborn belly fat (usually when you don't have much excess) has far more a-2 receptors than b-2 receptors – hence the trouble with losing that last bit of fat.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Wed 01-Jan-14 13:58:17

So basicallyBigChoc the best way to lose belly fat is IF and HIIT?

I will tell you in a few months if that is the case for me.

I measured around my navel so I need to measure again.

Happy New Year everyone!

I've decided to join you all. I weighed myself this morning and I'm 14st 10lbs, that means I've put on over a stone in the last 3 months.

I'm a regular yo yo dieter and have had some success with WW and SW, but as soon as I tell myself I'm on a diet, I set myself up to fail. Its like voice telling me to crave chocolate and biscuits and I have zero willpower.

So having looked at this thread I think if I know I can eat normally for five days, and then eat but in limited amounts for two days this may help?

So, I've worked my TDEE as 1973 calories which does seem a lot, so can I just check I'm going to be doing this right please.

I can eat what I want up to that limit five days a week, obviously its more sensible to choose healthy options to make these calories up.

When I fast I need to stop eating the day around 6pm and try not to eat again until lunchtime (12 for me). I can eat 500 calories and again this can be anything (but should be filling). I've decided to fast on Monday and Wednesday is this OK or is the gap to big?

I'm thinking the way forward for fasting days is protein, veg and soups, is this correct.

Do any of you eat ready made soup, ie Covent Garden, tins etc and what do you recommend.

I'm going to a posh wedding in May, so how much could I shift before then do you think.

Thanks x

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Wed 01-Jan-14 14:32:07

Ok so I've just measured a couple of inches above my navel and it is 35 inches which puts me in the overweight category just over the healthy category so it matches my BMI. Still aware I need to change myself though, but I'm confident I can do this.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Wed 01-Jan-14 14:33:47

Sounds good to me mummy.

Sorry, one more question!

Should I start tomorrow and then fast on Monday, or start a fast day tomorrow?


Breadandwine Wed 01-Jan-14 14:48:41

Go for it tomorrow, willow! Lots of people fast on Mondays and Thursdays.

Sooner you start, and all that! smile

Happy new Year everyone!!!

Tomorrow will be my first fast day of 2014. I was still clearing up a box of celebrations into my tummy in the early hours this morning so it seemed pointless trying to start on an FD today. Like Betsy & B&W I will try having dinner a little earlier than usual to get more LOF hours under my belt. I'm hoping for a SWATH of 10st 7 on Friday morning and then I will be happy. Hoping to get to 9st 13 by end of April as that will be my 1 year anniversary on 5:2.

So many newbies on the thread. Great to see you all and good luck. This isn't a quick fix to losing weight so stick with it for the long haul and you won't be disappointed.

Mummy, it sounds like you are on the right track. Tomorrow is as good a day to start as any. Not everyone had been able to jump straight in at 500 cals so why don't you use it as a practise day? There will be lots of us on the thread tomorrow to support you and just keep yourself busy.

MrsFlorrick Wed 01-Jan-14 14:58:05

Happy new year to you all!wine

FD today. So far two clementines and a banana plus tea and a coffee.

Planning roast chicken later. With tatties for the DC and DH but kale crisps for me and other veg obv. Thinking cauliflower and broccoli.

Yesterday was a Bigchoc stylee high cal frenzy of crap food. 3800 cals. I didn't even have breakfast or wine for New Years.
I developed a migraine last night and needed to take my medication which doesn't mix with alcohol. At least it sorted the migraine so no wine didn't seem bad.
I had loads of sushi for lunch followed by coffee and danish at Eat. Dinner was a variety of Waitrose Heston party food things (junk basically). Followed by cheese and biscuits and then 10 ferror rocher.

The above doesn't sound much but plug it into MFP and you'll be surprised! It's scarily easy to eat a huge a amount without feeling like you pigged out.

It's all back to the fact that other than the sushi, the rest is pure crap and not actually filling meals.

That's why meals are so important.

Anyway feeling floppy today (after effect of medication). DH is hungover and DC are tired. So we are flopping in the lounge and DC watching TV (normally not allowed this time of day).

Biscuits. Don't worry about the waist measurements!!
Seriously. This woe will blitz it for you.
Last January my waist was 39inches and yes proper waist not belly button but above as Bigchoc said. I'm blush about that. It sounds massive.

It's now 30. Bear in mind that at over 5'10" my waist hasn't ever been below 28" unless I was underweight.

You're starting from 35" and as I've lost 9" in a year, you'll lose that and probably more. So in under a year your waist will be like Eatriskiers tiny waist gringrin

Btw mine took 10 months to lose the 9" so much less than a year. Not lost lately as I've had a massively long stall (and not worked out much either).

So yeah you're waist will be great in no time. Doing the Shred or other JM workouts will help you get it there much faster.

MrsFlorrick Wed 01-Jan-14 15:01:27

And yes easy for me to have a FD today as no wine last night and after effect if migraine means less hungry so I am taking advantage of that. wink

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Wed 01-Jan-14 15:18:39

Thanks lucy I need cheering on. I've had a mocha (88 cals) and porridge (300 cals). Hungry but not massively hungry.

I like your style, I remember feeling hungover after a night of drink and dancing, I'm hoping to donut again when the kids get a bit older.

mummytow best of luck with the diet, can't give any advice as its all a bit new to me too.

toffee that bacon and Stilton recipe sounds amazing.

Butteredsidedown Wed 01-Jan-14 15:29:45

Done my stats ready for tomorrow

Weight 12st 5
Waist 37 inches (over half my height. Should be 32.5)
Bmi 28.7

I sort of wish that I could have a cholesterol test pre starting but I'm happy to know that whatever it was, it will be a lot better after a few weeks!

What do people do on mfp? I just set mine to 1/2 a lb loss per week so I have roughly my TDEE for the NFDs then plan on just ignoring the "you are under your calorie goal warnings for my FD!

I plan on taking a small cup of veg soup for lunch tomorrow to see me through at work after a 16 hr fast on clear liquids only.

EarSlaps Wed 01-Jan-14 15:51:09

Biscuits- yes, fasted exercise and HIIT will definitely help blitz that belly fat! I lost 4 inches off my belly in about 4 months with that combination. Mine was with Jillian DVDs, so not even massively high intensity. I fasted twice a week (mostly- I cut out the occasional fast if it didn't fit in with social plans and just made up by cutting down a bit elsewhere) and exercised 3-5 times a week. I now have a flat tummy.

Butteredsidedown Wed 01-Jan-14 16:06:41

EarSlaps ...flat tummy? Massive congrats smile

You have no idea how much motivation that has just given me!

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Wed 01-Jan-14 16:24:25

Me too buttered I can't wait to see this WOL work

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 01-Jan-14 16:49:00

WhenShe - it was surprisingly easy to make (I am getting more confident to try new things but am still surprised when things work!) and is very nice.

BsshBossh Wed 01-Jan-14 16:56:38

Welcome mummytowillow. Ready soups I enjoy most on FDs are Covent Garden and Waitrose Love Life ones.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Wed 01-Jan-14 16:59:04

earslaps I'm glad Jillian is working for you. I just got the shred for Xmas, not sure when I'm going to find time to do it. Maybe I'll have more time in Feb.

toffee I think I may have to give it a try.

I've had about 400 cals now, feeling hungry but not too bad. If nothing else this has made me realise just how much I was eating. I had 9 months of pregnancy so I ate what I wanted and 9 weeks of breast feeding so I still ate what I wanted mostly dark chocolate

I think I will struggle to come in under 1000 cals (mil has made a cheesecake bless her).


Latest science suggests:
- high cholesterol is mainly a risk factor for a small minority of people with a genetic condition of ultra-high levels
- for men it is only a risk factor if they already have heart disease
- it does not seem to be a risk factor for most women (excluding the genetic ultra-high group), particularly post-menopause.

BUT, many doctors are still fixated on:
- measuring cholesterol, because it is easily measurable and
- prescribing statins, because most people won't do lifestyle changes.

However, studies showing the benefits of statins are mostly financed by the manufacturers, whereas studies of people actually taking them suggests they may just increase the risk of dying from other diseases, such as cancer.

I'm reminded of how long it took for doctors to catch up with science and accept the dangers of automatically prescribing HRT, as they used to. Now it is only at real need.

Controversial ! Anyone like to offer their opinion ?

BTW: on the exercise thread Here , we are having a low of discussion about "bending the aging curve" via IF and exercise.

a lot of discussion <sigh>

Not2bObvious Wed 01-Jan-14 17:46:13

Stupid question alert confused
I stopped eating today at 2pm, don't feel great and not hungry. So if I didn't eat again til 2 tomorrow, would that be considered a 24 hour fast? And at 2pm could I then treat it as an nfd? I would like to do it as a 500 cal day though if possible to give myself a kickstart.


My sugary junk Frenzies started a few years ago, a boomerang effect after ending years of hated low carb - shows the danger of non-sustainable WOEs !

5:2 has changed my Frenzies: from 100% sugary crap to huge amounts of ok food plus 2 -3 crappy treats. Also, Frenzies are now less frequent.

MrsFlorrick Wed 01-Jan-14 18:02:23

Sorry Bigchoc. blush I didn't mean to imply you eat crap. It was the high calorie consumption partblush sorry!!thanks

My FD turned into a mini fast. I couldn't help but have some pear crumble I had made for dCs and DH. So just about 1000 cals for today.

I don't feel bad though as I certainly did not expect to fast today not even a mini fast. I had prepared for gorging on cheese to cure a hangover. So it's all a bonus.

Plus roast chicken and veg was magnificent!! And the crumble was ridiculously delicious. grin

No prob, MrsF, I ate crazy amounts of crap before 5:2 !

I think some folk do 24hr fasts, then break the fast with a moderate supper, not a binge, followed the next day by a normal NFD at TDEE.

Others, like me, start after supper, then have 24 hrs plus the following night, so about 36hrs on 500 cals.

YMMV. Start with 24 hrs if this easier, or go for the 36 hrs if you are not very hungry.

MrsFlorrick Wed 01-Jan-14 18:06:13

Not2be. Yes that works too.

If you plug it into MFP it obv won't show "properly iyswim.

Mumrose Wed 01-Jan-14 18:07:29

Marking my place
A lot to read about 5:2 yet. A bit confused about 16 hours fasting and the 2 fasting days. Is 16 hours fasting on the same days that we fast? Mostly cook indian food at home so need to work out calories etc. weighed myself yesterday 5.7and 242 pounds... confusedsad A depressing size 22sadsad

MrsFlorrick Wed 01-Jan-14 18:09:24

Bigchoc. It's interesting that low carb made you binge.

How many years were you LCing??

Interested because I tried it for 6 months before 5:2. I didn't lose much weight but it did teach me to live without sugar and cut out junk and crap for the most part. Most of all it taught me to stay away from biscuits.

Perhaps it would have been different if I had followed it for years?

MrsFlorrick Wed 01-Jan-14 18:14:01

Mum rose. Welcome grin

16:8 is not essential. You don't have to do that. You can just stick to two full 500 cal fast days per week.

I'm a wimp. So I didn't think I could do a 500 cal fast so I started doing 16:8. That is 16 hours out of 24, no eating. Essentially no more eating after dinner then no breakfast and then eat lunch and dinner.

I found it less harsh than two full FD. I lost 10lbs in 3 week doing just that.

Don't worry about your stats. It will all change quickly. If you have a fair bit to lose, you'll lose faster initially anyway.

Not2bObvious Wed 01-Jan-14 18:21:58

Thanks BigChoc, mrsF
I normally start from supper time, then eat at lunchtime the following day and use my 500. I think I'm going to take advantage of feeling like muck to not eat/not drink alcohol and get a much needed early night! My gut feels completely bound upsad Have work tomorrow and would love to be in a better state in the morning, so I can do a Davina or a quick run. It will be interesting to see how this works out as it would mean I'd have added a few extra hours to my fasting time, might make the difference and help me shift this bloatey feeling.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Wed 01-Jan-14 18:46:20

bigchoc it's interesting 5:2 stopped your frenzied eating. I've always been a bit of a binge eater when it comes to chocolate. I have a really sweet tooth and once ate 12 creme eggs in one go blush

Oddly enough before my kids came along my bmi never rose over 23.

I have gone over today, 1100 cals but that's just an estimate - mil did the cooking. I need to stop eating now till tomorrow.

Mrsf I low-carbed for about 8 years. It immediately stopped the horrid ulcerated throats I kept getting, caused by very high sugar junk.

I never liked it, but kept on to avoid the throat bugs. However, after several years, I was adding 3,000 cals of cheese and nuts daily, to compensate for hunger / lethargy / headaches.

This coincided with the menopause, during which I found low carb no longer worked to maintain weight, so it may have been partly hormonal.
I was also craving lots of fruit, which maybe was my bod notifying me that it was not getting the right nutrition for this massive hormonal change.

I think cutting out any normal food group is probably unsustainable longterm and will cause boomeranging, as well as nutrient deficiency.

5:2 works because the restriction is only for a day at a time. Then we eat what we want, just don't binge.

WhenSheWasBad We had similar vices !
I used to scoff 8 choc donuts / cheesecake / choc muffins / choc bars at a sitting blush

TalkinPeace Wed 01-Jan-14 19:16:16

You do my head in.
You have been ill. Your DH has been ill, your kids have been ill.
And then you post a recipe that makes me hungry even though I'm full grin
xx TiP

BsshBossh Wed 01-Jan-14 19:17:53

WhenSheWasBad though I've never been a binger as such (even at my heaviest) I was a controlled over-eater. 5:2 has stopped that completely, in a way that even 12 months of good old-fashioned calorie counting never could. 5:2 re-sets our digestive systems I think...

Mumrose welcome! I was once size 20. Am now hovering between 8 and 10 after two years. Be patient, be consistent and you can do it!!!

SkippydedoDaa Wed 01-Jan-14 19:30:21

Happy new year!

Well I'm on to my first fast day tomorrow. Strangely looking forward to it!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 01-Jan-14 19:40:53

Sorry TiP. I saw you telling me off in TIO and my heart was pounding waiting to click on here to see what I had done grin.

I am fat. Tired. Fed up. Scared to leave the house. And wondering how to sabotage DH going back to work tomorrow.

Toffee This is a support thread. We would never tell you off, or anyone else.

You need a bit of support at home, until the kids restart school. You can rest more when everyone is out from underfoot <but talk sternly to the cats>.
As your DH has been ill, could he take Thur-Fri as sick days, to also recover fully himself, or doesn't his work really allow this ?

EarSlaps Wed 01-Jan-14 20:13:53

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted you don't 'find' time to exercise, you make time! smile

Seriously- the benefits from exercising are so great that it should be same priority as cooking, cleaning, MNing etc. Since starting exercise I have so much more energy I can get way more done, so the time pays for itself iyswim.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 01-Jan-14 20:16:37

Cats are being naughty. I want one to sit on my lap. One decided to eat my crumbs and then sit on top of the chair rather than my lap and the other has made camp on DS1's bed.

I thought the telling off would be for not resting. I did go back to bed this morning as I was in a bad mood but then I decided I would make soup and got up hmm. Didn't make the soup in the end but might tomorrow.

I have told DH he can't go in to work but he says he has too. He feels better, thankfully.

Breadandwine Wed 01-Jan-14 20:51:22

Thanks, Toffee! Sort of savoury Chelsea buns, right? I do something similar with curried, fried onions. Will have to do that soon.

Now then, guys - you've got 10 more minutes to post, then NO posting for an hour!

Sherlock is back! 9pm on BBC1! smile

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 01-Jan-14 20:53:28

Only in looks, BAW!!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Wed 01-Jan-14 21:17:15

earslaps you are right I do need to find the time. Ds is only 9 weeks old so he takes up a lot of it (I'm breast feeding and typing).

When he can go a little longer without food I need to make my way over to the excercise thread - if I'm still making excuses in 2 months give me a virtual kick up the bum

TalkinPeace Wed 01-Jan-14 21:21:47

activity breeds activity ....

woodchuck Wed 01-Jan-14 21:47:49

I am giving 5:2 a go for the first timr, now all my Christmas eating is out of the way. I have been thinking about it for a while, just hadn't got round to watching the horizon prog, reading the book etc. I am not overweight, bmi is 21, and have just realised I have put on 4 lbs. This is probably mostly because of Christmas, but I have been gaining a pound or two consistently over the last five years, so if I don't make dome changes now I will be overweight in a few short years.
I am 6 hours into my first fast, after sharing a pizzavwith DH at pizza express this aft. I am drinking lots of water and plan on eating next at about 10am tomorrow, my first day back at work after Christmas. I am a bit worried about getting up in the morning, as I usually have coffee with milk, do will be skipping that.
I am also concerned about making my 400 available calories good choices, to keep the hunger psngs away and stop me craving junk. I am planning to have a banana at 10am, with a few blueberries and then a slice of toast at lunch with a teaspoon of peanut butter and an apple. I will then have my normal dinner at 6 ish and will have fasted for 18 hours, and then had 400 cals over the next 7 hours.

does this sound ok? I am really unsure if I should be eating all of my cslorie allowance in one go. I am really looking forward to the challenge!

TalkinPeace Wed 01-Jan-14 21:54:37

500 calories
if your bmi is not high, your reasons are more health than weight loss
eat the 500 on fast days and right up to your tdee on others

I allow 100 of my FD calories for milk in cups of tea
I do not snack at all, ever

emmief77 Wed 01-Jan-14 21:57:08

Popped over here from the lose 52lbs in 52 weeks thread... I'm interested in giving this a go but I am a carb junkie. I love my cereals, bread and pasta... not too bothered about breads... can't imagine not eating these foods

TalkinPeace Wed 01-Jan-14 21:57:45

you can eat them - just in sensible quantities and not on two days of the week grin

emmief77 Wed 01-Jan-14 22:05:16

could you give me some examples... I mean breakfast with no like gin without tonic.. or ant without dec... they just go together fgrin

WhenSheWasBad You can exercise at home. Check recent posts on the 5:2 exercise thread Here

TalkinPeace Wed 01-Jan-14 22:14:35

Skip breakfast.
You do not need it.
Only Kelloggs need people to eat breakfast cereal.
If you cannot start the day without food, have eggs or fruit or yoghurt.


For FDs, you can split your calories into 1-3 meals as you wish, but most of us find it easier to skip breakfast - just have a double espresso say.

On FDs, we usually eat protein and veg, e.g. stews, soups, stir fries without rice, omelette / scrambled egg with salad, not bread.
So, avoid starches and most fruit. The idea is to lower your insulin level on 2 days and give your body a rest.

On the other 5 days, the NFDs, have your carbs, but avoid snacks between meals. Most folk eat about 10% below TDEE for 3 days, to allow for more cals at the weekend.

Non-cereal breakfasts:

Eggs - scrambled in the microwave with any veg lying around, mushrooms, tomatoes, spinach, little cheese. or boiled, with asparagus for dipping.

Smoked salmon
Ham and tomatoes
greek yoghurt with berries

EarSlaps Wed 01-Jan-14 22:56:19

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted if you are only 9 weeks post birth and bf I'd leave the shred for a while. Instead start with something a bit more gentle- brisk walks, gentle jogging or a swim. Or weighted hula hooping! Then when you feel a bit fitter you can introduce the harder exercise. You'll find a way to fit it into your day, it's worth the time.

My favourite no grain breakfast is Greek yoghurt ( full fat) with seeds, almonds and a tiny squeeze of honey. So delicious and satisfying. Plus a huge mug of green tea

emmief77 Wed 01-Jan-14 22:59:23

Okay starting to get the idea now... Gonna be hard to give up my Special K on FD as I'm pretty addicted to it!!

Mazzledazzle Wed 01-Jan-14 23:31:27

After 2 days of feasting, I'll be back fasting tomorrow. I was actually surprised how little I ate yesterday and today, especially since I allowed myself to eat whatever I wanted. And I'm beginning to love herbal teas!

You can still eat Special K 5 days of the week emmief77 so it shouldn't be too hard to start. After the first few fasts I was ravenous the next day, now I wake up not hungry at all!

ChubbyKitty Wed 01-Jan-14 23:56:09

First fast day tomorrow!

I suspect I'll be on this thread a lot rather than drooling over the leftover Xmas chocolate

Good luck to all newbies doing their first FD tomorrow - or rather today, now !

Have been lurking on and off since thread #1. Am finally in a position where I am ready to make a start. First FD tomorrow (3rd), am going to have Mondays and Fridays as my FDs. Am going to measure myself after work, but basic stats are 5 ft and approx 14 stone (not weighed myself in the last couple of months but know I am flirting around that mark). 2013 was spent learning about myself and moving out of the deepest depression I have been in. 2014 is about continuing on that road, with my weight being something I really want to tackle. I havent seriously dieted before, but this WOE/WOL is one I can see myself being able to manage, much better than other diets/eating fads. Friday is mostly planned, just need to sort the protein part of the evening meal. And so, I say on here what I have only said to one person (my oh) in real life, I am going to move further down the road this year by tackling my weight/body size and hopefully my fitness as well.

Breadandwine Thu 02-Jan-14 01:02:10

Good for you Glass! Good luck with your first fast.

I'm also fasting tomorrow - my umpteenth grin - and I love 'em!

I'm already 7 hours down the road - aiming for 24 hours liquid only. Not sure whether to eat normally tomorrow night, or to go for a <600 cal meal. We'll see.

peplum41 Thu 02-Jan-14 05:00:50

Hi all, first fast 2014 under way, all is well. Except I've run out of coffee.

Welcome to all new to fasting, especially glass what a lot of lurking and yet no fasting! I hope you like it, all the best. X

bssh controlled over eating had to chuckle at that. You mentioned several days ago about limiting protein, reminded me of something I've been meaning to research, however laptop playing up and phone is quite basic. Ive been trying to not have animal based protein on fds, not always successful as I seem to recall its the animal sources which conflict with the health reasons for fasting.

bigchoc thanks for putting insulin receptor info into understandable terms. I find that focusing on the health benefits when food is calling keeps me going. I'm never going to cut it as a model, one reason I've accepted chubby in the past.

festivetablerunner what is this Wendy plan? I'm also curious about the simple start, but have no intentions of joining ww to find out.

Someone asked about convent garden soups or tins on FDs, yeah they're great, you know how many cals you're getting and usually a whole one is still under 500. I've recently gone onto tinned. Not as nice but cheaper and usually less cals than the fresh. Anything tastes good after a full days fasting.

Oh btw, I've achieved SWATH, but one more Mincepie or quality street would've tipped the balance. No more mincie boys til December. Sob.

LexingtonBear Thu 02-Jan-14 06:50:38

...slinks (ok, waddles) back, tail between legs but knowing it is entirely own fault...having lost 2.5st last year on this lovely WOL I (wilfully) committed many cardinal errors in the three months before Christmas - mainly known as booze and snacking - and have put most of it back on. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Feel ready to start again and know it is a do-able and enjoyable process, but cross with myself nonetheless. Look forward to joining you all again - good luck everyone.

Not2bObvious Thu 02-Jan-14 07:08:14

Morning all, lots of us fasting today I'd say? I haven't eaten since yesterday about 1.30 (bleurgh McD's, don't know why I do it, always feel crap after) and now aiming to continue through til 1.30 today, might have a skinny cappuccino around 10 to keep me going as this is the first time I've attempted a full 24 hours. After that I'm going to stick to 500 for the rest of the day.
Emmie doing 5:2 might be the perfect way to wean yourself off the Special K, it's really v sugary and I always remember a ww leader saying if you start the day on sugar you'll end it that way - always struck a chord with me cause I found myself doing that a lot. Bet we'll be seeing a lot about the Special K 2 week plan over the coming weeksgrin Their form of 5:2, 2 bowls a day will cost you 5 quid a week!
Only 6.5 hours to go til my bowl of soup, best go put the kettle on for a coffee then get ready for work, sigh...

peplum41 Thu 02-Jan-14 07:12:53

Hi again lexington, you know you've come to the right place. When's your next fast? Hopefully, its like riding a bike, you never forget- but it can be a tad uncomfortable when you've not done it for a while.

I always liked your name.

BsshBossh Thu 02-Jan-14 07:13:25

Morning! Thursday FD check in for me.

peplum I limit protein on FDs these days (no meat either). But I too need to look into the research more. It's just a recollection from the documentary & book...

Morning everyone. Just checking in for a FD today. Started 11pm last night (couldn't help finish off a few shortbread biscuits!!) so it won't be a 24 hour LOF, but as long as I don't go over 500 cals I will be happy. Hoping my weigh in tomorrow will see me round about where I was mid Dec.

Just done day 2 of 30 day squat challenge and my first attempt at JM's 6W6P. Only level one is available on utube so not sure how long I will do it for. Probably at least a week or two. Does anyone know how many levels there are?

Southeastdweller Thu 02-Jan-14 08:19:58

Morning. Checking in from Starbucks with my coffee as I'm fasting today and will again on Saturday. My wobbly upper thighs are telling me I need to start afresh today after an indulgent six days. I plan to have another coffee at lunchtime then soup for dinner after I've run errands in town.

Lexington Lovely to hear from you again and have you back on board feeling so positive.

Have a good day everyone.

MaryHadALittleLambWithSomeVeg Thu 02-Jan-14 08:28:10

Quick name change from Christmas pud to something less sugary and more paleo wink

MaryHadALittleLambWithSomeVeg Thu 02-Jan-14 08:28:52

Not sure why I always feel I need to have a food related username either!!?!

emmief77 Thu 02-Jan-14 08:31:13

Yeah need to kick addiction to Special K, had considered their diet (and Slim Fast), but there is no way I could keep it up past a few days, I need real food!

Been reading some of the other threads, especially like recipes and inspirational ...

I am thinking best way to start is to plan my weeks meals, but feeling a bit overwhelmed and daunted at the moment... help!

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 08:38:10

Another faster here! I finished eating by 5.30pm so I'm already 15hours in! Liquid only (tea, coffee, bouillon, water) until this evening then 400 calories of fish pie, salad and veg.

Welcome back Lexington. I'm sure you'll get rid of the excess again quick enough but thanks for coming back and acting as a cautionary tale - I put on weight so very easily that if I drop out of this WOE for a while I'm pretty sure the same would happen to me.

Right fasters, we can do this! And remember, those chocolates/cheese/cava will all be there tomorrow grin

Today we eat clean - no junk, no booze. We need a break from all that - our bodies will thank us for it.

If it's a nice sunny day where you are then get out there and enjoy it - the further away you are from the kitchen the easier it will be!

MaryHadALittleLambWithSomeVeg Thu 02-Jan-14 08:39:44

emmief I used to be addicted to cereal. Strange thing is that I now barely eat the stuff. It won't be long before you get used to these changes.

For meal planning on FD just focus on something simple. For example tonight I will be having a grilled salmon steak with salad whilst the rest of the family have their salmon with some potatoes or noodles. My second fast day of the week I usually allow myself a ready meal, preferably a curry without the naan or rice as the hot spices put me off having any pudding. It isn't necessarily 'healthy' to use convenience foods instead if making from scratch but its nice not to have to spend too long preparing meals when you are fasting.
On NFDs stick with what you are used to for now and adjust slightly to reduce calories, using less carbs and more veg. Gradually as you stick with the plan and pick up lots of recipe tips from these forums you will get the hang of it. Just start gradually.

MaryHadALittleLambWithSomeVeg Thu 02-Jan-14 08:42:08

And no snacking as this is where most of the excess calories will be coming from!

emmief77 Thu 02-Jan-14 08:52:19

Thanks mary

When do you suggest I have my first fast day? I mean, would today be good?! I haven't eaten since evening meal last night but don't have any meals yet for today! - well, I have some mince ready to make lasagne but rest of family can eat that!

positively9something Thu 02-Jan-14 08:53:16

Morning all well after Christmas I had put on one pound which i was happy with, I weighed myself this morning as I am 20.3.8 shockshock well today is a definite fast day and I may even go tongue gym for the first time in months! I liked being 9 something and girl I get back there quickly confused

Hi, I have decided to give this woe a go and today is my fiirst fast day. I was thinking of having soup for lunch and tea but not really sure what to have for my breakfast. the last thing I ate was tea yesterday at about 6pm.

oh and I drink black coffee is this ok, didnt think about that and have had a cup already.

frenchfancy Thu 02-Jan-14 09:01:46

Welcome glass if you have been lurking since thread #1 you are practically one of us old timers anyway. Well done for deciding to make a difference, you won't regret it.

I don't often post on the main thread any more, but I still lurk. FD today then I'll weigh in tomorrow to see if I've done any damage (but I don't think it is too bad).

For those who don't know me, I started 5:2 in September 2012, hit target in April 2013 (lost 33lb) and have been pretty much stable ever since. I will fast in one form or another for the rest of my life.

LexingtonBear Thu 02-Jan-14 09:04:07

Thanks for the welcome back - I feel better having 'admitted' my failings and am very much ready to start again. I was going to have my first fast tomorrow but realised that in the excitement (hmm) of returning to work and creeping out of the house without waking the kids, I'd forgotten to have breakfast, so I might as well start now. Feels positively cathartic to have black tea and water at my desk again. Less so actually starting to do any work..

Good luck to all of today's fasters

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 09:06:20

dita - best not to have anything other than tea/coffee or whatever (a splash of mild is ok), the idea is to eat less and less often on fast days if you want the full benefits! If you've got calories left over after your 2 meals maybe have a boiled egg with your supper? It's very filling, surprisingly so.

If you really can't manage missing breakfast then have that egg this morning - maybe scrambled on a bed of spinach and thinly sliced ham? Avoid carbs and grains in the morning, they will make you hungrier.

New starters: when you feel hungry put the kettle on, drink a hot drink and see if you can wait a bit longer to have that first meal.

Have that hot drink somewhere you don't normally eat - sitting at the kitchen table in view of food won't help.

Feeling hungry won't kill you and it comes in waves; you don't get increasingly more hungry.

Keep busy, don't sit around waiting for a designated eating time!

You can eat all those things you currently want tomorrow.

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 09:08:33

A splash of milk is fine! (Include the calories in your daily allowance - about 15 to 20 calories per tea/coffee).

Black coffee is great dita just remember to drink enough water as well. I get really thirsty on FDs. A lot of us try not to eat until we really have to on FDs, try skipping breakfast, but make lunch (soup is perfect!) early if you have to?

Right, I'm doing a 36hr liquid only FD to kick off the New Year's fasting. And after this cup of green tea I am going to kettle bell.

EarSlaps Thu 02-Jan-14 09:10:29

Mary- there are two levels of 6w6p. The first level seems to be mostly building core strength, then L2 works a lot on the obliques and quite a lot of leg work (I guess building leg muscle helps strip fat so you can see a bit more ab definition). I liked L2, it was pretty challenging.

Emmie- I used to have toast and honey every morning, I never do any more. Just get a new habit! Special K is very sugary and will probably make you quite hungry later as it will give a blood sugar high then low. No reason you can't start today, you could have a small portion of the lasagne mince with lots of veg- or make the Hairy Bikers diet lasagne with leeks instead of pasta- in sure there's a recipe online somewhere.

Black coffee is fine dita- plenty here live on it on FDs.

ELR Thu 02-Jan-14 09:11:43

Morning all, not sure whether to fast today or tomorrow. We are having a family outing today, iceskating and then kids want to have a pizza as the place we are iceskating has a lovely big pizza oven in their restaurant. Just not sure.......We are all a little ill too with chesty coughs.
Welcome to all the new fasters, keep strong drink plenty and remember you can have it tomorrow!

DottiestDoris Thu 02-Jan-14 09:12:30

Hi all! I'm a newbie too and am desperate to start attacking my post baby weight. I thought about doing the low carb boot camp but not sure I can cook 2 meals each day as need to cater normally for ds1 and dh. Therefore, I reckon the 5.2 will suit me much better. DS2 is 10 weeks old - I am ebf-does anyone think that the 5.2 and bf aren't compatible? Sorry if this has already been discussed

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 09:19:21

Welcome dotty - we have had lots of BF on here and no problems with supply! You should have more calories on fast days though - probably best to allow a 1000 calories. If you have problems then best to stop and come back to this when your baby is a bit older.

Remember to keep hydrated everyone - rather than sipping all day try gulping down a big glass of water here and there. And don't ditch the caffeine if you're used to it - tea and coffee are your fast day friends!

emmief77 Thu 02-Jan-14 09:24:55

Thanks ear, good way of spending my time on my first FD looking up the Hairy Bikers diet lasagne! - would it be too much to go running tonight too? - I already have this arranged with a friend of mine smile

MaryHadALittleLambWithSomeVeg Thu 02-Jan-14 09:25:32

emmief if you feel ready then start today by all means. Lots of support on here and looks like lots of us will be fasting with you.

My goodness this thread moves fast. Only just done kids breakfast and the thread had jumped ahead of me!!!

DottiestDoris Thu 02-Jan-14 09:26:51

Thank you Betsy smile my dh in particular is very much of the view that I shouldn't even consider a diet while bf and so it is nice to be able to reassure him that it can be done, and have the support from 'people wot know'. Can't wait to start feeling better about myself -and he should benefit too by having a happier wife!

somewherebecomingrain Thu 02-Jan-14 09:36:29

Hey a breast feeder here. I have done as few as 250 cals whilst bf. I don't recommend it in retrospect not cause of supply but because you will boomerang back into a frenzy and undo your good work.

My rule of thumb was 750 but gonna up it to 1000 with relief.

So far had 150 cals porridge.

Frittata for lunch, soup for dinner


tomorrowweeat Thu 02-Jan-14 09:39:38

Return to fasting went well yesterday and I woke up this morning feeling positively euphoric. Like you "Lexington Bear" I regained a lot of the weight I lost earlier in the year. Feels great to be back in control. Not at all hungry so should be able to manage to wait until lunchtime to break my fast quite easily. This feeling is so much better than the pleasure I got from stuffing myself with food and drink. Why on earth did I do that??? Oh well, back on track now. Been watching the BodyBlade on QVC. Anyone tried one? I'm looking at finding some form of exercise but Shred etc is too hard for my poor old, fat body!

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 09:41:44

emmy fasted running burns off loads of calories! Go for it (but keep properly hydrated)

dotty try and use this WOE to eat as nutritiously as you can - good for you and good for your baby! Remember that full fat stuff is good for you - on non fast days - so make sure you're eating proper butter, full fat yogurt and lots of nuts and seeds. And obviously loads of fresh veg and fruit and try and avoid the junk, except good chocolate! Make sure you are not going low calorie for the other 5 days.

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 09:43:20

Did the dreaded weigh in. 6lbs up. I reckon I'll see that off in 4 fasts.

I hope grin

BsshBossh Thu 02-Jan-14 09:56:30

Lots of newcomers! Welcome all thanks.

Peplum, Bssh
There are health reasons for not madly overdoing protein on FDs - we want to lower IGF1 levels. However, this needs to be a compromise with maintaining lean body mass and avoiding hunger.
So, go with what is comfortable and filling. Just avoid junk and have plenty of vegetables with it.

I think the type of protein - meat/ fish / beans etc - doesn't matter.

emmief77 Thu 02-Jan-14 10:04:57

Thanks betsy, will plan to eat my skinny lasagne when I return from my run grin... Would you suggest I had a soup or similar at lunchtime, it is my mindset that you need to eat at least a couple of horse before exercise... Old habits die hard!

Eatriskier Thu 02-Jan-14 10:25:41

Wow - lots of newbies popping up - welcome to you all. Don't think too much about starting, or you may put yourself off. Just fling yourself in head first, and once your first fast day is over you'll see its doable!

FD here for me. Whilst I lost over Xmas my excesses then were alcohol based and I wasn't too bad with food (worse than I hoped by far far better than I would have been previously) the last two days I've gone nuts. I ate constantly yesterday which is something I've not done since I've started this WOE. Will see the damage tomorrow, but thankfully I lost over my target so a few pounds on won't do me much harm. As bad as it sounds I'm quite glad DH is back at work. Its far easier to be active without him under my feet and it feels like everything is getting back to normal.

My first fitbit stopped working a while back and my replacement one glitched for a few days. Thankfully it seems to be back to normal now shock

Good luck today's fasters, well done all you losers and well done to all those who had LSVs over the festive period!

DinoSnores Thu 02-Jan-14 10:32:29

Good morning. FD here too and it is a busy day I've got, so that should help keep me distracted. Off for a walk to the library with DD now but proper exercise will have to wait until this evening.

ImABadGirl Thu 02-Jan-14 10:51:27

Hello all, fast day for me today and have started the day with a berrocca vitamin thing, not sure whether it's a placebo but seems to make me feel a lot better.

I last ate at 1930 last night so will see how long I can go without food, I lasted 18 hours the other day and didn't really feel hungry, I love this WOE grin

emmief77 Thu 02-Jan-14 11:05:44

So looks like I'm going to be stuck in house until my run later, DD just surfaced from bed but has holiday homework to do... I would like to use the time to menu plan whilst keeping an eye on DD...

emmief77 Thu 02-Jan-14 11:31:37

Forgot to ask for menu plan tips?

MotherGirth Thu 02-Jan-14 11:38:53

Hi. I've been here before under a different name back in May. I struggled with fasting and exhaustion (one not great sleeper and one appalling sleeper). However I've been doing some sleep training with DS in the hope of getting my life, and weight, back on track.

Today is my first fast day. I'm also on the 52lbs in 52 weeks thread. This target would take me well into my ideal range by the end of the year.

Anyone here sharing MFP usernames?

MotherGirth Thu 02-Jan-14 11:40:11

Just noticed BadGirl's comment about Berocca. I've got some. Does anyone else use it?

ChubbyKitty Thu 02-Jan-14 11:51:59

I would like to do noodles for dinner, and the way I make them they have loads of noodle water which I always drink after and I feel all warm and full but it's actually just slightly flavoured hot water so it's good..?

I'm prepared to be told that's silly.

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 12:01:40

emmie my personal preference is to exercise first thing in the morning. However the reality of this is I don't like exercising any other time if day so therefore rarely do enough! I'm trying to change this mindset as my current goal.

I would probably have a light lunch if I were exercising later in the day - soup would be ideal.

ImABadGirl Thu 02-Jan-14 12:29:45

mother mine's bobaggins if you want to be my friend on MFP and anyone else if they so please

emmief77 Thu 02-Jan-14 12:36:01

thanks betsy soup for lunch, yum

Betsy, Emmie Just starting to discuss food timing and content on the exercise thread Here
I have most of my cals at lunch, then nothing until after evening training.

hopefulgum Thu 02-Jan-14 13:33:26

Just finished another fast day . Tomorrow morning I will,weigh myself. Got my fingers crossed that there will be a SV to celebrate .

I had a long walk on the beach and a swim this morning but when I got home I felt really tired and had to lie down. I don't know if it is because I was fasting but I listened to my body and had a rest and was fine after that. I made the carrot and coriander soup for a light lunch ( recipe from the recipe thread ) which was very delicious and comforting. Then I had chicken and veggies for dinner. The chicken was so delicious I may have gone a bit over 500 today but it wouldn't be by much.

I am in bed now and still feel a bit hungry but I know I will still sleep well and then look forward to a yummy breakfast in the morning.

I also ordered some of the miracle noodles online so I can't wait to give them a try. Any hints and tips about how to use them?

Chubbykitty I don't think eating noodles and drinking the water is silly. If it fills you up and you stay under 500 calories why should it be an issue?

Bigchoc I agree with what you were saying about the use of statins for cholesterol up thread. I think they are massively over prescribed and that good cholesterol is considered a problem when it shouldn't be. I read in one book that Lipitor makes about 9 million dollars a day. shock Seems impossible, but believable. I also think there are huge misunderstandings about animal fats and how they affect the human body, not necessarily always in a bad way. But that's a whole other discussion grin

annielewis Thu 02-Jan-14 13:35:28

Mothergirth I take Berocca - (they are 5 cals by the way if youre being v strict on MFP) I feel like they def help me ward of the colds etc around at this time of year.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 02-Jan-14 13:41:47

Hello everyone smile.

DH back to work today. I was not happy. He has said he won't be late so I am hoping that means he will come home early.

DS1 at PIL for the day and over night.

We did some shopping in the way to PIL then I took DD and DS2 to get shoes and we also went to a couple of other shops.

BoyCat been AWOL all morning and finally got home about 12pm. With a mouse. I was not happy but thankfully DS2 just picked it up and got rid of it. I have cleaned both bathrooms, loaded the dryer, washer and dishwasher, hoovered the landing and refereed DD being a moo to DS2. Several times.

Nothing to eat yet today, barely had an water so will rectify that immediately. This is definitely a FD. I have cauliflower cheese for dinner. I bought it a week ago as just fancied it and haven't been well enough to eat it. Has to be today as use by and comes in about 530 iirc.

Still feel grotty, breathless at times, feel sick, still odd cough and sore throat. Feel like I am on the mend though but will take a few more days. I promise not to post any more moans.

woodchuck Thu 02-Jan-14 13:51:25

I am nearly at the end of my first FD period! I last had a meal at 3pm yesterday, and have used my 500 calories on a banana and a slice of toast with peanut butter (I still have an apple looking at me from my desk!)

It has been fine. I missed my coffee this morning, as I take milk and didn't want to break my fast til after 10. I have felt tired and headachey most of the day but not sure if this is related to the fast or because it is my first day back at work and I have had to get up early after lots of lovely lazy mornings.

I didn't feel hungry until lunchtime today, and felt ok after I had eaten. Probably the hardest bit was when I had a bit of a rumble last night, knowing there was still loads of cheese, chocolate and wine in the kitchen. I have been drinking loads of water and lemon and ginger tea, and am feeling nice and hydrated.

I have not done any exercise today, outside of a few stretches this morning. I am fairly sedentary at the moment during the week, and have been trying to find ways to increase my activity. I have been doing the 7 minute challenge, to get a burst of high intensity activity into my day, and am thinking about bringing a pair of trainers to work on Fast Days and taking a half hour walk instead of a lunch period.

How do you find exercising on FD? Do you feel weak, or that you tire quickly?

WoodChuck I am a gym bunny, so I found fasted training easy. In fact it cuts off hunger for the day, if done in the evening. Sundays, I train fasted in the morning.

If you are not used to IF or exercising, take it slowly. Try 30 mins of any exercise you would enjoy.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 02-Jan-14 14:35:44

Just had a piece of bacon and stilton pull-apart. I just needed something. I can see that having bread is not good on FD but I will be sure to resist having another piece. Will have early dinner and then try for a 16:8 fast to kick start everything as I do still have a stone to loose and need to get my head back in the right place.

Pleased I got the bathrooms done but annoyed it meant I missed an important phone call and can't call back as don't have the number.

LilyJoAndMe Thu 02-Jan-14 14:50:14

Wow, second fasting day. This is really hard.
Waiting for tonight to have my meal with my H. I am not telling him yet that I'm doing this diet because I' m sure he'll freak out. So this is really haaaard !

MazzleDazzle Thu 02-Jan-14 15:11:17

Fast day for me today and it's been the easiest one yet. I've only had water, herbal tea and black coffee so far.

I have consumed virtually no calories in the last 17 hours!
My tummy has only just started to rumble, so away to have a low cal fizzy drink to see if I can last a bit longer.

I've some soup prepared if need be.

Well done to everyone else who is fasting today!

Wayhay, I managed to get Dr Varady's ADF book. Anyone else ?

In the exercise thread, I'm listing highlights of her studies combining ADF and exercise. Fascinating book.

MaryHadALittleLambWithSomeVeg Thu 02-Jan-14 15:40:29

Postponed FD. I will try again tomorrow. Managed to go 16 hours from eating last night before I ate something but after a cheese and ham sandwich the shortbread was calling me so its not even going to be a mini fast. Eeeek.

It's been a bit stressful trying to get kids to eat properly again after a week of indulgence, and preparing three different things for lunch got too much for me. I remember now why I found 5:2 so difficult in the summer. It's the constant cooking and clearing up for the kids that is the problem.

Thankfully next Tuesday they will be back in school!

BsshBossh Thu 02-Jan-14 15:50:15

BigChoc what does she say about maintenance and continuing fasting. I've read elsewhere that she rarely fasts now she's at goal weight - just occasionally when putting on a few lbs. This disappointed me as I thought she'd want to continue fasting for the health benefits. This is why I'm curious about what she recommends people to do when they've attained goal.

LilyJoAndMe Thu 02-Jan-14 15:52:12

On fast day and finding it really hard at the moment. confused New to this

Doing ok so far. I'm just back from a five hour long tromp around the park with the DDs, feeling a bit hungry now, but not anywhere near caving.

I missed two fun parcels today though, new phone and vintage clothes. Bah.

mazzle well done!

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 16:02:28

You can do it lilyJo! Just think how brilliant you'll feel tomorrow when you've achieved a fast day. Now, what are your eating plans for the rest of the day?

I'm coming to the end of my 24hr liquid only and will be eating my calorie allowance in about 1 hour.

Food tastes amazing when you don't eat for a while grin


She hasn't mentioned hormesis or the benedits of fasting, so far. She didn't in her CBS TV interview for the book, either.
Because theory not 100% accepted ?

My initial impression is that this book is entirely skewed to weight loss and maintenance for dummies (what sells the most). Nowhere near as much science as I hoped in the main text, just tantalising glimpses, much too simplified. However, the end of the book lists references I must check.

For maintenance, to avoid weight regain, she recommends 1000 cals per day on Mon, Wed and Fri.

However, she writes earlier that studies show 25% TDEE FDS are the optimum to lower the risk factors for heart disease, not 50%.
Maybe she has little faith in the willpower of the general pop.

Incidentally, she says 25% is also better than zero cals, which is not what I understood reading Mark Mattson - I'll read this book properly, but it might mean B&W and I need to reconsider the zero-cal FDs.

I'll read more later; I must get ready for the gym now.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Thu 02-Jan-14 16:25:31

NFD for me. Just as well since I had last night's leftovers for lunch. A rather large plate of pasta. Although I have just come back from an 8 mile run and it's been my only meal so far so am easily doing a 16:8. I feel great after the run. Didn't plan to go that far, but I was enjoying myself.

FD tomorrow. Soup for a late lunch and not sure for tea as it's a trip to the supermarket in the morning so will get something in then.

LilyJo why don't you ease yourself into FDs. Allow a few more than 500 calories, go for 800 or even 1000 at first. That's still a good start. You can do this. Keep busy, remember hunger comes in waves, have some warm water (apparently this is a really good hunger deterrent), read the hints and tips thread to give you ideas how to survive the FD (also kill some time). Good luck. I've not really told DH either although I have left big hints, but that's only a recent thing and I first tried to start this in October(ish) time.

TalkinPeace Thu 02-Jan-14 16:35:36

WOW, lots of new people.

And really pleased that we have delurkers like Glass utterly proving the point that you have to get your head into the right place and then your body will follow.

To all of those struggling with the first few fasts - hang on in there
as the feeling of success and self control when you make it through is a really important part of why this works.
YOU are deciding, not a book or a club or another person, YOU.

On the other hand there is no such thing as a fast day fail
there is only a mini-fast or a rescheduled fast
because tomorrow is another day.

I am going to go and brave the scales at the gym tomorrow aren't I fshock

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 02-Jan-14 16:35:54

Lily - just pick one aspect and try that, maybe? I struggled at first to get to grips with the whole WOL WOE but now it is almost second nature if you ignore no fasting for a week as ill and the odd abandoned FD!

LilyJoAndMe Thu 02-Jan-14 16:36:20

Betsty Bell and Biscuits ,
Thanks for cheering me on. It's a big help. I think it would be good to have a cheering on thread for this diet. smile

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 02-Jan-14 16:53:01

Feeling better, dinner is only 306 calories!! shock. How much do people reckon one circle of my bacon and stilton bread is??

So cold here. Fell asleep. Then heard really bad weather due. Blinking heck.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Thu 02-Jan-14 16:57:59

Not had time to properly read today's thread but its good to see more breast feeding fasters here.

My ds is 9 weeks how about your kids? Tried a fast yesterday and came in over at 1100 cals. Think I might plan the next fast for Sat.

argh I made some popcorn as I was so hungry, only 100 calories so not too bad, expect then I ate 3 chocolates. think that takes me to about 650 calories, is that ok for the first go? or if I leave my soup until after 6.30 then I will only have had 500 in 24 hours, does that count? or did I just fail? try again on sunday.

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 17:11:31

This is the cheering on thread lilyjo! It just gets a bit quiet at some points in the day smile

How are you faring?

CJMommy Thu 02-Jan-14 17:13:24

Well, another newbie here!
I could've done two fast days in the time it's taken me to read this thread!

Anyway, reckon I've been anywhere between 1.5-3 stones overweight for all my adult/teen life. Got to my lowest pre-DC2 at 10.4 and at the end of 2013 weighed in at 11.5 blush. Am 5ft 2 so ideally want to be between 9-9st7lbs - I have no idea what that would look like as I've never quite made it there!

I can't fit comfortably into any of my clothes and feel really shit! Done WW, SW, Dukan, SlimFast, starvation and every other one imaginable over the years - some success and then fall off the wagon.

I know I can easily do a 16hr fast and have heard so many good things about 5:2. I need to change my mindset from wanting the quick fix fast weight loss and consider more long term. I really think I can do this! The stories on here are great - please keep them coming.

So, my plan is to slowly alter what i eat with my FD being Mon and Thurs. I am going to weigh myself on Monday morning and go from there. Think I may measure myself too - not something I have done before.

Do you think a first goal of one stone by the beginning of March is realistic?

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 17:16:32

That's a good first effort dita - next time you'll know not to have any chocolates around the house! Have your soup but no more if you can manage. But yes, consider it a successful first fast smile

If you really need chocolate have a small amount of the high quality 70% dark stuff - gives you the chocolate kick without the massive calories.

BsshBossh Thu 02-Jan-14 17:16:52

Thanks for sharing the Varady info BigChoc. Interesting to read her thoughts on the efficacy (or lack thereof) of zero cal fasts.

TalkinPeace Thu 02-Jan-14 17:19:24

dita lesson to self : no snacking. If in doubt have a hot drink as once you start munching its hard to stop!

welcome to the gang
Measuring is a really good thing to do because a lot of fat loss changes shape but not weight.
Aim - roughly - for 1 to 1.5 lb per week
You might do more, you might do less but faster than that often ends up in a yoyo

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 17:21:24

CJmommy Totally achievable! Welcome to the threads smile

You'll be in good company with Monday and Thursdays. Measuring yourself is an excellent idea.

This is a great long term 'plan' - there's so little hardship and most us here actively look forward to the Monday fasts after an indulgent weekend. I've been doing it nearly a year now and no plans to stop grin

MazzleDazzle Thu 02-Jan-14 17:52:25

BigChoc if her book's right, and 25% is better than 0 cal FD, I'll be disappointed. Today has been my first zero day and I'm finding it easier than a 500 cal day, as once you start eating, it's really difficult stopping!

BsshBossh Thu 02-Jan-14 17:57:40

Mazzle I've done a few zero cal 36 hour FDs (ie nothing at all to eat between 8pm day 1 and 8am day 3) because it's sometimes easier. But generally I do 24 hour zero cal fasts and save my FD calories for late in the night eg 8 or 9 pm of the FD (day 2 going by above example). This means I'm full on my FD calories just before bed and am not tempted to eat more.

soup was delicious.

whatawonderfulworld Thu 02-Jan-14 18:15:12

With great difficulty, made it through another FD yesterday.

Did great until about 9pm. From there until bedtime, I was ready to chew my own arm off, but out of calories. Any suggestions? I have always had a late-night snack with DH after DC in bed (terrible habit, I know). It has also tended to be our most unhealthy food consumption as we are quite health conscious with DC. I didn't break last night, but had a terrible time falling asleep. Any other late-night-snackers struggle with this?

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 18:18:34

Whatawonderfulworld Well done on yesterday's fast - it does get easier. And yes, it will help you get out of the evening snack habit too.

We should all be aiming for:


We don't need to snack. Most snacks are crap and make us fat.

Not2bObvious Thu 02-Jan-14 18:23:29

Tomato & Garlic soup from the recipe thread for lunch and a small portion of bolognese, no pasta, served it with salad. That's coming in at 350 so 150 left if I chose to use it but not sure what to have or indeed to have anything else at all!
I like the lunchtime to lunchtime fast, but it was prompted by feeling sick so not sure in real life if it works as good. Well done all newbies in your first FD, nearly there!

I've nearly done my first FD!

Please tell me this is ok:

Stopped eating around 7 last night, had red pepper soup at 12 noon, just had prawn, mushroom and onion omellete. Americano coffee and cup of tea.

All at 380 cals, I've not felt hungry just pinkish should I be starving?

I could fall headfirst into the biscuits but keep telling myself it's one day!

TalkinPeace Thu 02-Jan-14 18:36:27

well done. Sounds good to me. if needs be have a big glass of milk before bed so you sleep well.

Snacking is terrible for you. It was only invented in the 1970's to 'sell product'
the sooner you can wean yourself off eating at other than meal times the better you will do
and just think .... three biscuits equals a WHOLE 500g TUB of vegetable soup ....
which will fill you up for longer and make you healthier? wink

Coveredinweetabix Thu 02-Jan-14 18:48:02

Newbies I thought I'd post about how I found the first few weeks of this WOE in case it helps you through your struggles.
- The first thing to say is that everyone is different and therefore how you do this WOE is different. IME, several people on this thread tend to avoid carbs and save all of their calories until the evening. It took me a couple of weeks to realise that that doesn't work for me. The best way of fasting for me is to skip breakfast, have a jacket potato with prawns or tuna or something and salad and then, if I need it, have 100 cal or so of something later afternoon or mid evening. I cannot get all the way through until the evening on just fluids.
- Secondly, it really does get easier. For the first few weeks, I got light headed, got really cross or teary at the smallest things and by about 4pm, I could scarcely function. Of course, that was around the time by two DC (4yo & 18mth) begin to get tired & grumpy so things at home got a bit fraught! I ended up introducing a snack at 4pm which tended to take me over 500cal but meant I didn't hit the biscuit tin later or eat the children's leftovers. Roll on a few weeks, and I don't need the 4pm snack unless it's been a particularly trying day with the DC or they've been sleeping badly. I used to really struggle in the evening so used to have a bath and an early night. A couple of times in the first week or two, I would wake up at about 3am after a FD and be really hungry. If I was still awake 15mins later, I'd go & make some toast. Again, I haven't had to do that for months.
- Thirdly, drink, drink, drink. I don't particularly like tap water but I do like sparkling water. I realised you can buy supermarket basic water for about 12p a bottle so got loads of that, put one in the fridge every FD and just work my way through it. As I got more used to drinking water rather than squash or tea etc, I realised I do like tap water if it's got lemon or cucumber in so I now put a jug of that in the fridge each day and work my way through that.
- fourthly, don't eat anything sweet! As soon as something sweet crosses my lips, I want more sweet things and it's hard to ignore it, harder than it is to ignore "just" hunger.
- fifthly, you don't need breakfast. I always thought I did, thought it was the most important meal of the day etc but began to not have it and now don't miss cereal at all. The key (as with everything in this WOE) is to keep yourself busy. I find getting the kids up & dressed, tidying the kitchen, getting the dishwasher on is enough to get though the initial hunger. If I am still hungry, I get out of the house so I can't raid the biscuit tin.
- sixthly, you don't have to eat just to be social. If someone offers you a piece of cake, you can say no. You can go to Starbucks - or even the pub - and just have water.
- seventhly - most people will think you're mad! Just don't bother telling them about it. When people have asked me about how I've lost weight, I've told them by the usual method of eating less & moving more. If they've pressed me further, I've told them how I'm doing this and generally get told "I couldn't do it" but I think most people can if they tried and wanted to lose weight

whatawonderfulworld Thu 02-Jan-14 18:51:54

So true, BetsyBell and TalkinPeace. I generally eat very well at mealtimes, but it's the snacking that gets me. Especially good cheeses....oh dear. Hopefully this WOE will break the habit. Good point on the tub of veggie soup btw! smile

EarSlaps Thu 02-Jan-14 19:03:54

Wonderful- if you want good cheeses just have that as a meal.

Covered- mine are the same age as yours. I often eat some veg when they have their tea to tide me over and stop me picking at the left overs.

It's all about mindful eating, rather than just shovelling stuff in because your tummy is rumbling a bit or you're bored.

SkippydedoDaa Thu 02-Jan-14 19:05:40

So I'm almost through my first fast...I'm bloody starving! grin

Polished off xmas chocs at 10pm last night and didn't eat again til noon today.

Lunch was apple, satsuma and vitality yoghurt drink.

Dinner was a heinz big soup pot lamb hotpot thing.

Going to get the dds to bed and then get myself to bed to avoid the hunger pangs.

Can I just check something please. My TDEE is 1900 do I need to eat it all? If I don't what will happen, I'm sure it won't be to difficult!

Do you calorie count everything on NFD or just be careful.

Thanks wink

Not2bObvious Thu 02-Jan-14 19:11:36

Great post Covered, really shows how you learn/adapt as you go along and different strokes work for different folks. Cheese & pineapple for 130 cals - kitchen is closed!
Looking forward to nfd brekkie grin

TalkinPeace Thu 02-Jan-14 19:17:18

If you are not hungry, do not eat. You'll be hungry another day.

I do not calorie count at all now - but then I've been doing 5:2 for quite a while.

Re snacking, I ate my favourite snack foods as meals at first. I'm a crisp fiend, so I was having tortilla chips and salsa for lunch a couple of times a week. I lost weight doing it, but my tastes have changed so much on this WOE that it doesn't bother me any more.

I do still love crisps, just have them far less often and as part of a meal now.

Successful FD here, looking forward to my chilli olives in a salad tomorrow!

BsshBossh Thu 02-Jan-14 19:42:20

whatawonderfulworld I no longer snack outside of special occasions/days but I do like "snacky food" sometimes so I simply add it to my main meal, eg Kettle crisps with lunch or some ice cream soon after my evening meal. This way I still leave several hours between meals for my digestion to do its work and it also means I'm sufficiently hungry for my next meal without feeling I've deprived myself.

BsshBossh Thu 02-Jan-14 19:43:21

X-posted with lucy. Snap smile

Butteredsidedown Thu 02-Jan-14 19:43:21

FD #1 this year done and dusted.

Clear liquids til lunch, went for a walk to stave off hunger til 1.30.
50 cal veggie soup.
420ish cals on delish chicken stir fry inc a bit of rice.

Feeling gooood. Oh and I treat myself to a Lush bath bomb... Won't do it every FD, maybe just once a week grin

BsshBossh Thu 02-Jan-14 19:48:09

mummytowillow as TiP says, don't eat if not hungry. It's important to eat well whilst 5:2ing - it seems to work well when there is a clear contrast between high and low calorie days. But at the same time we all need to learn to eat normally ie eat when hungry, stop eating when satisfied. Besides, if you're like many of us "long termers" you'll find you're under-eating TDEE during the working week and over-eating it at the weekend!

ChubbyKitty Thu 02-Jan-14 20:06:13

Just had my noodles and I added some chicken breast that was still on the carcass, I could only manage to pick off 25g but it added something.

I do feel quite full now.

Southeastdweller Thu 02-Jan-14 20:06:27

whatawonderfulworld I do as lucy and Bssh do and add my snacky food to my meal. I think you should make your meals more filling, perhaps by adding more protein but if you still feel compelled to snack at night then have a glass of water instead.

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 20:11:48

Wonderful I have been known to replace an evening meal with cheese grin - one or the other (unless it's Christmas…)

I do really want cheese right now but I know I can will have it tomorrow.

Crisps are most likely to happen as part of a Saturday lunch now - rather than an evening snack (although my DH rather naughtily re-introduced them over Christmas - all gone now though!) And I'm planning a pudding after dinner tomorrow - no deprivation on this WOE just a bit more planning and mindfulness.

MazzleDazzle Thu 02-Jan-14 20:17:16

Well done mummytowillow. Good job!

36 hours Bsshbossh?! I take my hat off to you. What a pro!

By the way...feel like I was lured to 5:2 with promises of eating what I liked for 5 days and no sooner had I committed myself than I discover I may have to count calories for the 5 days, go without the 500 cals on my 2 days and now...(dramatic drumroll) NO SNACKING? shock

What have I gotten myself into? grin

MazzleDazzle Thu 02-Jan-14 20:18:25

<throws her wotsits on the bonfire>

MazzleDazzle Thu 02-Jan-14 20:18:55

<makes another herbal tea>

BsshBossh Thu 02-Jan-14 20:38:01

FD successfully over. Liquids (water, herb tea, black coffee) only for 23 hours then a bowl of blueberries followed by a small bowl of leftover butter bean, spring greens, tomato and mushroom stew.

Now 3 NFDs. Hurrah!

frenchfancy Thu 02-Jan-14 20:38:35

Mazzle You really don't have to count for the other 5 days if you don't want to. i didn't when I first started 5:2, then counted for a few weeks because my weightloss stalled, and haven't counted since (I'm on maintenance now).

And the no snacking hasn't really got anything to do with 5:2, it is just one of the reasons we had weight to lose to begin with so makes sense as part of healthy eating (and is one of our own tips personal campaigns). I prefer to think of it as mindful eating, so I only eat when I really want to eat rather than just picking at things that aren't particularly tasty.

Coveredinweetabix Thu 02-Jan-14 20:38:44

I completely agree that you have to calorie count - and even weigh things - so that you re-learn what a portion is and what foods are low on cals and which are heavy. Some are obvious, some jot so.
If you do want some snacks, then Tesco do a multipack of popcorn. I think three bags are sweet & about 40cal & the other three are savoury & about 20cal.

BsshBossh Thu 02-Jan-14 20:43:01

Mazzle I never calorie count these days. But others need to as they're still learning what normal portion sizes are.

And no snacking isn't part of 5:2 either but simply makes good sense from a fasting perspective (giving digestion regular breaks).

BetsyBell Thu 02-Jan-14 20:56:45

The problem with snacking is that it's so normalised to eat constantly. All diet plans (for weight loss!) seem to allow for 3 meals and 2 snacks - that's just so much eating! And I think it's quite to easy to then allow yourself to upsize each part of that eating until people are effectively thinking it's ok to eat 5 meals a day.

It's dangerous. We shouldn't be eating so much so often.

Once you've retrained your thinking and understand how much food you should be eating then fine, eat snacks mindfully. But be aware how pointless those snacking calories can be.

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Thu 02-Jan-14 20:58:22

Hello All (limps charred arse onto thread)

Just letting you all know I'm still alive! Have horrendous internet issues so have barely been able to keep eye on thread let alone post.

Will be name changing soon back to Cuckoo when can get it to work.

First fd here for couple of weeks. Then will start properly with the ass kicking of fat come next tues.

Managed to inflate by a grand 7lbs according to scales this morning. Will be interested to see how that differs after today. The culprits for me were def booze/bread/salty*SNACKS*.

Hello to all Newbies - just get stuck in and wing it for the first few weeks. We all do things slightly differently so bear in mind that the first month (at least) is about finding what works for you. Lots of little tips and tricks but we're all different so don't be disheartened if something isn't working for you. Keep posting and someone will surely come and put you out of your misery with their own similar experience grin

Am at my cal limit today as a last minute trip to cinema found me shovelling dd's popcorn in like no tmw. Afterwards she had a bratwurst from farmers market which I had to bite each end off as too long for roll! Think that's me done for day. Found it pretty easy tbh but am probably still carrying 3 days worth of food in my bumbag wink

Hope you all had a lovely Chrimbo, will be back proper from Mon with hopefully some decent signal then too!

MazzleDazzle Thu 02-Jan-14 21:05:24

So true betsy.

Even on my NFD I now tend to eat twice a day, usually skipping breakfast and forgoing my usual bed time snack.

I've only been doing this for 2 weeks (5 x FD and 1 x 16:8) and it's been a real feast or famine. I'm looking forward to getting things on an even keel, without the excesses of Xmas & NY to overcome!

Cristiane Thu 02-Jan-14 21:05:38

Hello, love to join if i may

Just completed first fast day. Drunk an AWFUL lot of herb tea, marigold bouillon and miso soup.

Feeling OK though. Reminds me of the 'breaking up' diet I had two years ago when DH left!

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Thu 02-Jan-14 21:25:13

Fwiw - Apart from on fd I have never counted calories.

My own outlook on this - is that for me I prepare all the food I eat and know whether something is highly calorific or not anyway. Cheese = fat. Carrot = nutrtious. Carrot fried in lard = not so nutrtious!

It doesn't take much to look at back of a pack see the total per 100g and apply a bit of good old common sense.

Must point out this is combined with the fact that I never eat breakfast anyway and unless I am hungry for it, I often don't have lunch. I will have both if I want them but on the whole I don't 8/10 times.

The key to managing this I guess, is to only eat when genuinely hungry (something that identifying comes more easily with on 5:2), and to STOP when full. Smaller portions on plate can help with this.

However, on fd's I always count calories. The rest of working week I try to be sensible. But weekends are anything goes. The beauty of this is that 'anything goes' is actually a lot less than you'd think after fasting regularly for a while.

For some though, calorie counting is an essential part of educating themselves on what is 'normal' and learning just what is in that burger you're munching.

Just putting it out there that it is not essential to weight loss on this woe/wol - you will have to be judge of whether you need to or not. But it is perfectly doable without too. So if the thought of constantly cal counting is putting you off then try without. If you're not losing after a couple of weeks you only have yourself to blame you can rethink your decision and start mfping your heart out then.

I believe the pro counters often say after few weeks you don't need to as much.

Add to that, after few weeks your appetite is resetting itself anyway. It really does get easier. I love it!! Especially in a few fd's time when it has banished my Xmas lardy gain wink

Dr Varady repeatedly says 500 cals is optimal on FDs, to optimise health benefits and retain lean body mass.
BUT is it the same for 5:2, with fewer FDs ? She criticised Dr Mosley for using her research, saying it couldn't be carried over to 5:2.
We urgently need proper scientific 5:2 studies, but I think there is only that one by Michelle Harvey, which also found just low-carbing on 2 consecutive days worked.

I've read warnings on a few lifting sites NOT to go without protein longer than about 20 hrs, because of the danger of muscle loss.
So, I've always hedged my bets and taken zero-cal BCAAs on FDs.

Welcome back, Turkey, we missed you !

Why did the turkey return ?
Because she wasn't cuckoo yet.

On Monday, check out my shiny new 5:2 exercise thread and lose those xmas lbs.

More geek stuff:

Surprisingly, Varady recommends high-fat meals on FDs as well as NFDs.
She says people lost more weight on high fat because they cheated less, also that saturated fat in food is not a danger to the cardiovascular system. Looks like the "fat is ok" view is now respectable.

TalkinPeace Thu 02-Jan-14 21:41:15

I love eggs on fast days ...
spanish tortilla/omelette with loads of veg and then a bit of EALLY strong cheese on top
wonderful and tends to come in at 400 calories

Mmm, I love cheddar omelette. Alternatively, I have a small salad with a big fried fillet steak, or with smoked salmon and chilli prawns.

Many possibilities with 400 cals in one meal, if you low carb.

LilyJoAndMe Thu 02-Jan-14 22:19:17

Betsy Bell,
Thanks for asking. I fared. I fared. I'm so happy. And of course you're so right. This is the chearing thread. I was in a very difficult place when I wrote that. Now, I just need to be able to sleep ok . I stuck to 500 cals and I must admit that I am going to sleep on a hungry tummy.
Looking forward to morning smile

whatawonderfulworld Thu 02-Jan-14 22:20:47

Earslaps That is my problem. I want to have my cheese (as part of a meal) and eat it too (as a snack)! grin Will try though, as lucy and Bssh and SouthEast do, to have my snack-type food/cheese with my meal; maybe in snack-y format at first, instead of melted into a dish so it seems more like my snacking cheese. It is the one thing I would feel "deprived" without.

Betsy I could totally replace a meal with cheese quite happily as well, but would use my calorie count for the day at one sitting I fear!

I do need to break that habit, hopefully 5:2 will help me accomplish that. I suspect the late night snacks are quite directly responsible for the suspicious shrinkage of the waistbands of all of my clothes.

CJMommy Thu 02-Jan-14 22:20:55

coveredinweetabix thanks for your advice. I think I have (very slowly) worked my way through the majority of 5:2 threads shock and my conclusion is that I just need to get on and do it!

So, Monday is my first FD........I'll be back smile

EarSlaps Thu 02-Jan-14 22:39:14

Baked Camembert with some fresh bread to dip and some salad or pickles makes rather a lovely weeknight dinner smile.

hopefulgum Fri 03-Jan-14 00:31:18

Bigchoc, I am very interested in what you are reading. Is Dr Varady suggesting that only 2 FD's a week isn't enough? I know there haven't been enough studies to make a conclusion, but it seems to me there is a huge body of (anecdotal) evidence here that shows that 5:2 does work for weight loss and health. I also think that it is so much more do-able to fast for 2 days. I don't think I could manage alternate days. It seems far too much like deprivation.

As for the stuff about fats, I have always believed that fat is an important part of the diet, after doing a lot of reading about the Paleo WOL. The human body evolved to eat healthy fats, including animal fats (for us, it should be grass fed, as grain fed fats (and seed oils) are too high in Omega 6 and 9, and we need Omega 3). However, the human body also evolved to fast, as food wasn't always available.

I tend not to eat many fats on fast days because I have concentrated on having more on my plate (loads of vege) as I think ,mentally, it makes me feel more satiated, when I should probably have a bit of fat, to make me satiated physically.

Someone up thread was saying it was hard not to snack with DH after dinner? I find that making and having a cup of herbal or green tea after dinner really helps. I love licorice tea in the evening as it is quite sweet (without sugar) and it just feels like I've had a treat. There are so many beautiful teas out there, I make it my mission to try new ones all the time.

I weighed in this morning. I did it before a wee and was most disappointed that I hadn't lost any weight after two fast days and sticking to TDEE on the other days. Well, I had a wee and I lost 800grams (1.7 lbs)! So that is, I suppose a SV? I may even weigh less after -ahem- a number two...My first goal is to get under 75kgs. I haven't been under 75 kgs for about twenty years. I weighed in at 77.2 this morning, so I am hoping in a few weeks I will get there. Then the next goal is 70kg, then 65. But,for now, it is one goal at a time, and as long as I'm losing, even if it's less than a kg, it feels good. My tummy definitely feels flatter.

A NSV I had yesterday was that we had friends drop in for a drink and they proceeded (along with my DH who broke his fast) to have wine, cheese and crackers, and I made a guacamole which looked delicious, but I managed to sip on my sparkling water, happy in the knowledge that dinner would be soon. I didn't feel deprived and didn't feel tempted, and for me that is a huge NSV. smile

The idea of having "snack" type foods at meal times is a really good one. The thing that kicked started my weight loss about 18 months ago (I am actually 10 kilos lighter than back then) was doing a thing called the Whole 30, and one great thing I learnt from that was that snacking was completely out of the question, and if you did want something (say after exercising) it had to be a mini meal that included protein, vegetables and fat. When a snack had to be a mini meal I would often decide to wait until the next meal. I was very surprised at the weight loss, but it may have had something to do with cutting out all dairy,sugar,grain,processed food and alcohol for thirty days. I felt very good on it, but it is not something you can sustain - way too hard.

It is now breakfast time after a fast day, and I thought I would be hungry, but I am not. I think I will wait until I feel hungry to eat something...grin

ladybranston Fri 03-Jan-14 00:51:16

hello! FD4 here today...not such a sucess. Finished eating last night at 7pm, and didn't eat lunch until 2pm...unfortunately it was a mozzerella and sundried tomato ciabatta. quite sure it was at least 500 cal for just that. was planning to have only a cup of tea when i got home, but my house guests bought steak for us all...can't refuse filet mignon ever. i love steak with a passion. not sure when i can do another fast day, possibly Sunday, although that means the Monday fast can't happen either...<thinking>


Of course Dr Varady favours the IF version she has been working on for 10 years !

She was angry that Dr Mosely partly used her ADF studies to justify 5:2, because they are different protocols and hence it is not great science to do so.
In fairness, ADF is the only IF version with many human trials and she is responsible for most of them. There are only a couple for 5:2, by Michelle Harvey.

We know anecdotally 5:2 has worked for thousands of people, for most of those who have seriously tried it.
The US National Institute of Health invested millions in her studies. I wish the NHS or The Medical Research Council here would invest the same in 5:2.

5:2 is the gentlest form of IF, so less likely to over-stress the body. Most of us on this thread prefer it. We have heard reports of some people being over-stressed by it or by 16:8.
However, Varady reports some 5:2ers who ate too much on the 5 NFDs (the usual reason for failure) did better on ADF.

Possibly the best version of IF - ADF / 4:3 / 5:2 / fast 5 / 16:8 - is different for different people, depending on their state of health, age, amount of exercise, stress at work or in their private life etc.

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 07:34:01

bigchoc Thank you so much for giving us highlights of Varady's book, certainly plenty to think about. Out of interest are you currently 5:2ing or ADFing?

gum interesting point about making snacks more meal-like - and therefore just waiting for an actual meal rather than snacking; I might pinch that concept. Once I'm back at work (in a school), I find that I'm now naturally inclined to small lunches, which means I'm pretty hungry at 4pm, I often end up eating something then instead of waiting until 6 when we eat as a family. I need to make a change to my day in some way so I don't end up pigging out then <ponders>.

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 07:39:09

How did yesterday's new starters get on? How are you feeling now?

I just did a weigh in and yesterday's fast and activities shifted 2.5lbs of the Christmas extra 6. It's not 'real' weight when it's put on so quickly. Now for 3 non fast days! grin

MazzleDazzle Fri 03-Jan-14 08:02:24

Thanks for the interesting and informative points many of you are making. A lot to think about.

Is anyone keeping track of their body fat? I have a fancy set of scales, but no idea how to use them.

Not long up. It's now 34 hours since I last ate and I'm not hungry! Lost 1.2lb, so I am now lighter than I was before the Christmas splurge. Only 6 and a half pounds away from my weight last April, which was my all time low since the birth of my DD2.

Planning scrambled egg and bacon whenever I feel hungry and a lovely roast veg. lasagne with a side of dauphinois potatoes for evening meal. I'm with you on the 3 non fast days betsy!

well I didnt think I had done too well but I got through it, I was an angry lady all day though, dh thought it was the fast and was going to suggest that it wasnt going to work until he got home and after five mins asked if the dc had been like that all day and no wonder I was grunpy (still catching up from nye I think). Anyway I managed about 650 in the end, the scales this morning say 2lb down but that cant possbly be right can it?

LilyJoAndMe Fri 03-Jan-14 08:08:11

Phew ! Made it till breakfast . Thanks for asking Betsy Bell. I really am hungry . And though I did drink a lot I'm really thirsty this morning. Very strange !
Now on 4 NFDs . Thanks heavens. My next problem is understanding what I can and can't do on these days. I don't want to indo all that hard work by eating madly. Though to be honest I really do feel like it !

I went on MFP to get help with calories - thinking I could manage to not go beyond 2000 or something like that. But, after I put in my details, saying that I wanted to lose weight it's now told me I've got to stick at 1200 cals. I'll never manage that and I can't face reading a load of negative feedback at the end of the day, But I don't know how to change that and it has given me until February like that.shock
I really have appreciated the support for my FD and I'm sure I'm going to need it next time - which will be next Tuesday for me, Thanks to all who have asked and given helpful suggestions.
It is true about the hunger coming in waves. I found it difficult through the night because of that. But remembering those words helped me to calm down and ride the wave.grin
I also loved the description of being so hungry that you could eat your arm off. I really felt like that. But, luckily didn't fancy the taste. grin

Looking forward to reading you.

going to try to stick to 1400 on nfd for a week or 2 and see how I get on.

MazzleDazzle Fri 03-Jan-14 08:14:05

I'd still consider 650 cals a successful FD dita. Don't be so hard on yourself! 2lb down? Well done you.

A few folk on here suggesting salty drinks on fast days (bouillon, bovril etc) will have to give that a try. My mother bought me a lovely selection of organic teas from The English Tea Shop for Christmas and they are delicious!

BsshBossh Fri 03-Jan-14 08:15:03

Turkey welcome back!

Well done new fasters, looks like most of you succeeded. Hurrah!

Betsy good loss, woohoo smile

My official Friday morning weigh in today (incidentally first day of TOM too) and 0.2 lb loss. With only 4lbs left to goal, it's coming off sloooooowwwwwwly. Although DH thinks I'm already at "goal" weight and thinks I should now maintain. He might be right. I've gone from 210 lbs to 129 lbs; BMI 36 to BMI 21. I'm happy with how I feel and look at 129 lbs (my goal was 125 lbs).... I'll continue on over the next week or two then review.

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 08:22:26

lilyjo use the link in the OP to find out your TDEE and stick to that for non fast days. You have to set MFP to maintenance rather than weight loss. You need to look at your calorie intake over a week rather than each day as MFP doesn't allow for fast days.

It is the fast days that provide the calorie deficit. I can work out your Tdee for you if you prefer - just need your weight, height and age smile

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 08:24:05

I forgot to say hi to Turkey! Woohoo, welcome back grin

Eatriskier Fri 03-Jan-14 08:27:45

betsy well done!

dita 650 is fine and 2lb down is pretty normal - some will be water but if you carry on fasting you will find that 2lb won't re-emerge. I don't know if you plan on daily weighing but if so you will notice your weight going back up. This is completely normal.

Actually to anyone who is planning on weighing frequently - pick a time and day of the week and make that your official weigh in day. Don't get disheartened by weight gains on other days, they'll likely be fluid retention and food in your system weight. Compare official weigh ins to see your proper loss.

bssh you've done so fantastically!

Weighed in and maintained after my new years excess. Brilliant result!

frenchfancy Fri 03-Jan-14 08:28:18

LilyJo on MFP you need to put in that you want to maintain weight rather than lose it. Your loss comes from the 2 fast days not the other 5. If you try and stick to 1200 on NFDs you will find 5:2 very difficult (and quite possibly not very successful)

To change the settings in MFP go to goals, change goals, then change using the guided method. Put in your current weight as both your current and target weight. I tend to then put lightly active, that way if I exercise I can count the cals. Don't forget that as you lose weight you need to change your goals as your calorie needs will go down.

Coveredinweetabix Fri 03-Jan-14 08:32:58

Yesterday was tough but I made it. It wasn't helped by DS being up several times in the night as I was tempted each time to go downstairs and have a bit of toast. The good news is that I have lost 3lbs of my 12lbs Christmas gain on that one fast alone. I am looking forward to losing the remaining 9lbs as I feel so lumpy at the moment. I'm going to ADF for the next ten days as that will get me back into my pattern of 4:3 with my FDs being Mon, Weds & Fri.
Well done to all of you newbies. Completely one day successfully (and I'd say 650 is fine for your first attempt) just shows you that you can do it.

MazzleDazzle Fri 03-Jan-14 08:39:20

Bsshbossh that's some loss! You are my hero. My starting weight was nearly the same as you. Early days for me though!

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 08:57:17

bssh - have you managed to get back to the gym yet? Post-injury?

I suppose the advantage of going slightly under would be to say that you've got manoeuvre room BUT on the evidence of this holiday I don't think you need it! You've cracked not over-eating even at Christmas.

<bows down to the master> grin

BsshBossh Fri 03-Jan-14 08:59:13

hopeful great SV and NSV.
Mazzle great SV. And eating only when hungry: that counts as a NSV too Mazzle.
dita I'd count 2 lbs as a recordable loss. Well done.
lily set MFP to maintenance.
Covered good loss too.

I was really looking forward to my Friday NFD today, dreaming about what I wanted to eat, planning a good foodie shop. Then TOM started and now I feel bloated and very tired and not in the mood to eat at all. Oh well.

BsshBossh Fri 03-Jan-14 09:00:27

Betsy no still no exercise except for brisk long walks in the great outdoors. I'm very nervous to resume weight training so I need to overcome this fear...

Coveredinweetabix Fri 03-Jan-14 09:03:46

Just broken my fast. In doing so, I noticed that the only food we appear to have in is:

Bread (just had two slices of toast for breakfast so don't really want any more)
One apple
A dozen blueberries
A few potatoes
One leek
Half a swede
Half a tub of clotted cream
The remains of the Xmas cheese board
One mince pie
One fondant fancy
Three biscotti
Several boxes of chocolates
Several bags of crisps & other nibbles
Two boxes of biscuits
and then there's pasta, rice & baked beans (but no tinned soup)

I think it's handy today is a NFD as I can't leave the house.

At the moment, all I can think of for lunch is some sort of mac cheese dish.

Having had groaning cupboards for the past two weeks, it is a relief to have space in them but I wish that there were things which combined to make a better meal!

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 09:05:17

I find that I only usually breakfast after a fast day now, if at all.

Just had a sort of omelette of 1 egg, spoon of yogurt, shredded ham, random cheeses, then a load of peppery leaves (rocket, watercress, spinach) plonked on top. Lid on, warm through, slide onto a plate, eat with gusto.

I'm trying to cut down on grains and refined sugar so avoiding bread.

I avoid bread after a fast day anyway - makes me feel a bit peculiar. An indication I should be avoiding it generally… (I used to - spent years as a wheat-free person as it made me ill, slid back into it during pregnancy, didn't feel awful so carried on).

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 09:10:48

bssh I can see why you'd be nervous. I guess you just have to build up ultra slowly and be on a strict watch out for any signs of overdoing it.

LilyJoAndMe Fri 03-Jan-14 09:13:49

Thanks for the help with MFP. I've changed the set up now and I have 1950 cals on maintenance.
That sounds better ! Oof smile
So now got to plan meals for the day.

LilyJoAndMe Fri 03-Jan-14 09:18:16

Well done to everybody too. It' s lovely to hear that the hard work is paying of all round.
As for my own weight loss I'm not sure yet. I drank so much and have not eliminated yet so I don't really know.
So far it looks to be a pound . I hope it'll be more though.

betsy the big thing I notice if I have a good run of no grains is that the shape of my belly changes, it suddenly gets a lot flatter.

dita well done! Easing into it worked for me. Six months in now and I'm hardcore!

Done my yoga workout this morning and I haven't broken my fast yet. Little bit hungry. Can't wait for my big-ass lunchtime salad.

Need to find a 50's style dress for a performance. I hate dresses, so it's haaaaaaaard!

LilyJoAndMe Fri 03-Jan-14 10:01:29

Go for it Lucy smile

BsshBossh Fri 03-Jan-14 10:13:03

lucy what's in your big-ass salad?

ImABadGirl Fri 03-Jan-14 10:13:43

I'm nearly a week into ADF and have jumped on the scales and lost 3 lb, so nearly buckled last night...I had 90 cals left so was mooching and found the remaining quality street, I checked on mfp and 2 sweets were 88 so ate 2 then thought bugger it I'll have the rest too....I then argued with myself and didn't eat the chocolate, valuable lesson learnt don't eat chocolate on a fd cause it won't help you!!

bssh today it will be a huge amount of little gem, cucumber, red onion, cherry tomatoes, carrots and half an avocado squished with a tablespoon of tahini, salt and lime.

I either do a vinaigrette or an avocado-tahini thing. With vinaigrette I top the salad with toasted seeds too. I'm hungry!

MrsFlorrick Fri 03-Jan-14 11:29:25

Hello everyone grin

You're all doing outstanding jobs with the fasting. Especially as your kitchen cupboards must still be stuffed with festive junk and Christmas choc!!

FD again here. It eaten yet but I doubt I will make 500 today. I can tell that once I do start eating, it will open the floodgates. Probably a mini fast sort of a day. grin

Abi01 Fri 03-Jan-14 11:33:28

Hi all, would like to join you all if I can smile

I have been lurking since thread #1 after watching Michael Mosleys horizon programme. Originally lost 10lbs but then went off backpacking so I stopped and made the most of all the local foods and beer!

Anyhow to cut a long story short I've started again and have been doing 4:3 since beginning of Dec (with a break over xmas) I'm now on my 3rd FD of the week as I fast on Mon, Weds and Fridays. Started at 12st 2lbs and i am now 11st 6lbs. My target weight is about 9st which should take me to a healthy bmi and body fat mass. Im also combining this with the gym and 30 day shred - level 1 day 3 completed this morning!

I think I read in previous threads that a few people do 30+ hour fasts? I eat nothing on my FDs (I just find it easier) i just have green tea and lots of water, so I end up doing around 30-36hr fasts. I'm really keen to start more HIIT and weight lifting as part of the fitness side, so if I'm going to do this should I be eating 500cals on FD or is it still ok for me to do LOFs?

Thank you smile

LilyJoAndMe Fri 03-Jan-14 11:40:41

Loved the post Badgirl smile

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 03-Jan-14 12:56:33

Why do I have to post hello before then going back to read the new posts? confused.

Anyway. Slight over on the FD yesterday, would guess it was about 700 but I think that is still good considering I haven't fasted for over a week. Almost did 16 hours of no food but DD wanted to try some cheese on the deli and I forgot. Was about 15 hours. Just had a piece of my bacon and stilton bread and feel like I have ben punched between my breasts. Is that like when I get tummy problems when I eat bread? confused.

I can't remember who said I wouldn't have put 4lbs on and according to Happy Scale I have gained 0.9lbs in 7 days, 1lb in 30 days (ie since I registered) so I shall take that as a win grin.

Tomorrow Daily Mail has a diet book on the "5:2." I have "" it as I am not sure they have got the point when they say "diet on 2 days." This isn't a diet. It is a WOL!!

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 13:16:25

Abi01 Welcome long time lurker! - go and have a look at the newly started 5:2 exercise threads - all your questions will probably be answered in the OP or if not ask on the thread!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Fri 03-Jan-14 13:17:28

Sounds like people have had some good weight loss, very impressed with everyone.

Planning fast number 2 tomorrow. I went over a bit on the last one so I need to keep within my limit this time.

MazzleDazzle Fri 03-Jan-14 13:19:42

Abi01 I'd also like to know if it's better to do LOF or under 500cals if you're working out.

So far I've been taking it easy of FD. I'm not working at the moment, nor have I been exercising, but this is set to change. I go back to work in a few months and starting on Monday I'll be working out 3 mornings a week at 'Boot Camp' style classes!

MazzleDazzle Fri 03-Jan-14 13:21:22

X post with Betsybell!

Will check other thread.

DontBeBlueBeARainbow Fri 03-Jan-14 13:22:19

I am also a lurker since almost the first thread, dabbled a bit before but not serious enough, and this time I'm starting again hoping to follow in the footsteps of all of you (thanks for inspirational stories!).

I did my first FD yesterday, which went pretty well, although it did take me about an hour to fall asleep. I'm a runner, so planning to keep on with that as usual, though might try fitting in some HIIT to my routine.

Can I ask what SV and LSV mean? I think I'm alright with all the others! grin

mscnile Fri 03-Jan-14 13:26:27

hi all smile its ducky/merry in a new outfit for 2014 here!

First FD of the year yesterday, went well until the evening, when I fell into a bag of nuts and had to be rescued by a bottle of wine, then some cheese and crackers... ho hum - I'd managed 20 hours up to that point, which must count for something hmm totm can take the blame though. Aiming for TDEE today, next FD on monday when life returns to normal.

Now to catch up with everyone, old and new!

mscnile Fri 03-Jan-14 13:32:14

SV = scales victory
NSV = non scales victory (e.g. resisting chic; jeans too loose)

reading lots about 5:2 in the press at the moment, lots of new years resolutions around?!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 03-Jan-14 13:32:38

Does anyone have a son going to be 5 this year? I have found a Happy 5th Birthday banner in my card box and while it has been used it is too good to just bin. If so, PM me your details and I will put it in the post for you.

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 14:03:16

Hello to another lurker! dontbeblue Sometimes we talk about a lifestyle change victory - when we realise an old naughty habit has fallen by the wayside.

TalkinPeace Fri 03-Jan-14 14:32:07

TiP slinks in and sneaks back out
having had a lie in rather than go to yoga, planned to fast but then the Roule needed finishing off at lunchtime
is bad TiP
will get my rapidly expanding arse back into gear next week grin

mscnile Fri 03-Jan-14 14:34:03

So glad it's not just me TIP!

DinoSnores Fri 03-Jan-14 14:38:05

Managed a FD yesterday with a bit of a struggle, but I did it, so that it definitely a NSV! Jumped on the scale this morning (as I do every day) and have dropped under 67kg for the first time since DD2 so I am pleased with that.

Well done, dontbeblue, on your first FD!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 03-Jan-14 14:43:47

TiP! shock. I spent £180 in Waitrose this morning as haven't done a proper shop for a fortnight. I was taking out all the food in the fridge to put new stuff at the back when I came across lots of cheese use by or best before Jan 5th. I was thinking what am I going to do with all this cheese? I heard your voice saying You are not a dustbin so I figure it will have to be a meal of cheese and crackers rather than the odd piece for a snack. I have about 7 pieces of cheese, at least shock.

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 15:00:11

toffee if the cheese has been properly stored then it probably won't be bad in 2 days! I doubt you need to rush to eat it. Especially if it's been sitting in the fridge nicely wrapped all Christmas.

If it does look yucky then get rid, but otherwise use at your leisure.

wintersdawn Fri 03-Jan-14 15:21:07

first ever fast day today and I was doing so well, nothing all morning and home made veg soup for 100 cals for lunch. even have a really yummy mushroom pilaf to be cooked for dinner tonight.
but I've now met the afternoon snack/ food rush that the kids have and am seriously wavering not helped by the smell of mac n cheese currently cooking for their dinner, why the hell did I decide that was a good idea sad

DinoSnores Fri 03-Jan-14 15:21:50

toffee, grate or slice the cheese and put it in the freezer then you can just use it for sauces, cheese on toast, macaroni, toppings, whatever whenever you want. It will be fine for a good few days anyway.

DinoSnores Fri 03-Jan-14 15:22:37

winter, you can have it tomorrow. Go and make yourself a cup of tea or coffee, something hot, a good drink of water, and you WILL feel better in a few minutes. You can do it!

TalkinPeace Fri 03-Jan-14 15:36:00

Hard cheeses last months - cheddar is always better a month after its sell by date !
soft cheeses once opened are rather a ticking clock
and roule is a like boursin - has to be eaten well before the sell by date in my house wink

brush your teeth, have a cuppa, drink a pint of water, all three
lots of ways to surf the hunger wave till it goes past

wintersdawn Fri 03-Jan-14 15:53:04

hot drink and 10mins of stupid singing games has seen it off and worn me out!

Well done on the SV, Dino !
After damaging your bits, you are understandably nervous about resuming lifting. I recommend you start:
- HIIT cardio, say 2 weekly spin classes. If you don't belong to a gym, just add a few sprints during your walks, so you are doing intervals. You can gradually increase the number of intervals, pace, decrease rest time etc.
- Light weights (3kg) at home / pump class until you regain confidence. Omit tougher stuff, like full press-ups, plank, jumping jacks etc for now.

5:2 is my longterm WOL, because I find it low-stress and sustainable.
However, I see IF as a toolbox with different gadgets to suit different people, or special circumstances / times for the same person.

So, over the hols, I used a form of ADF to achieve SWATH (Same Weight After The Holidays) - I did mostly alternate mini-FDs rather than 500 FDs.

And I did manage SWATH, 1st time ever ! <swagger>

MrsFlorrick Fri 03-Jan-14 17:48:54

Kitchen closed on my FD grin just under 600 cals. But I did also do Level 4 of JM Ripped in 30 so that's how I justify going over 500 wink

I LOF until 5:15pm and I just had roast plaice and broccoli cauliflower with a small drizzle of cheese sauce. Full now.

I certainly SWATH. grin Funny. It's made me very happy despite my long stall. At least not gaining over Xmas is a SV of sort.

Bigchoc. I am very interested in your posts re IF and HIIT and ageing.

Turkey (((hugs)))) welcome back!! Missed you! grin

Toffee. That's a Waittose shop and a half. Easily done. That said I can easily do that if I'm not careful.

Not2bObvious Fri 03-Jan-14 18:13:51

Toffee it was me who said you hadn't gained 4 lbs, and I love it when I'm right grin Delighted for you.
Me in the other hand am up 6.6 in the last monthsad Probably 3'ish over Xmas week and 3 in the lead up. Ah well never mind, managed my 24 Lof yesterday followed by 500 which pretty much totalled 42 hours on 500 cals. Wasn't too hard but had the worst sleep ever as now I've come down with the cold the rest of them had. Feck it anyway. Sent dh out with dd's as quite frankly I'm close to screaming, they are wrecking my head. Roll on back to school.
Anywho nfd today and I plan to enjoy, happy Friday y'allwink

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Fri 03-Jan-14 18:14:27

Well that FD didn't go to plan. I did really well until 2 then I had my lunch, then DD1 reminded me that I promised we would do some baking. I did plan to be good, but I made too much chocolate butter cream so finished the bowl blush.

Oh well I did say I would start properly once I was at work. Next week will be so much easier.

It's still a 16:8 so could be worse.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 03-Jan-14 18:39:18

Thanks everyone for the cheese advice. I have mostly hard cheeses so I think they will be okay for longer. If I chicken out I will grate it all and freeze for cheese sauces. Will make for interesting flavoured onesgrin.

It really was, MrsF. Purely because I haven't been for a fortnight and tbh with some things I did buy more than I needed for a week (i.e 2 packs of sausages, 2 packs of mince where we would eat only one pack in a week) but I have an obsession problem with people going hungry and it was 3 packs of meat/fish for !£10 so thought I would take advantage.

Not2BeObvious grin. Happy to oblige. Still feel like I have put weight on though iirc my lowest weight was 11 stone 3lbs and I am currently 11 stone 5lbs so not too bad at all. Well done on your 24 hours fast. I haven't been able to do that yet. How was it?

I am thinking whether to do 4:3 next week as a catch up. 2 doesn't seem enough reallyconfused.

Not2bObvious Fri 03-Jan-14 18:53:33

It wasn't too bad Toffee but I reckon I could only do lunchtime to lunchtime, I might try again starting Sunday. No breakfast and then a spectacular lunch with dessert, under tdee but only just I'm planningwink Then nothing but fluids til lunch on Monday, and 500 over 2 meals, breakfast in Tuesday to start nfd.
Quite excited about the yummy lunch, thinking fillet steak, creamy potatoes, cauliflower cheese, drool!
Totally enjoying my solitude, will start cooking my supper soon...ah peace & quiet

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 18:56:32

I have mostly failed at my self-imposed no grains, no junk effort today. Maybe when we're back at work/school it'll be easier…

I like your thinking bigchoc. It's a hard scenario to imagine but I'm guessing if I were on my own with no kids I'd either become an uber-gym bunny like you or I'd be slobbing out even more than I do now [mad cat lady face]. Luckily I have 3 dependants (DH included wink ) so not likely to happen any time soon.

I'm working on becoming the fit type of person though. Thinking about it really hard while I drink prosecco..!

It is doable though, in many ways I'm a whole different person these days than I once was so changes do happen. Taekwondo starts on Tuesday [excited face].

Betsy Great you have an <excited face> about starting taekwondo ; you are motivated to do well !
It may incorporate Fartlek too. Anyway, a great fullbody cardiovascular workout !

*Abi01, Mazzle, anyone starting exercise*:
I recently posted FD Eating, Shakes & Training on the exercise thread.

Mazzle I think you mentioned monitoring Body Fat ?
Yes, it is the most important health parameter for most of us.
Keeping track of waist size will do this, or use the BF calculator link in the OP.

Betsy I think it's best to get back into the swing with 5:2 before trying to go super-healthy as well.Obviously try to cut down junk and alcohol, but whole-grains are healthy in reasonable amounts for most people.

Experts like Walter Willets (Framingham Study) and Varady keep emphasizing it really is just the calories:
Unless one has a particular allergy or intolerance, the precise type of food - low / high fat / carb, Paleo, veggy, vegan - and even how clean you eat, doesn't matter for weight loss.

The healthiest diet depends on the individual, but healthy weight - and exercise ! - are more important.

BetsyBell Fri 03-Jan-14 19:26:38

Totally agree. I was really hungry today bigchoc, I just did what I had to do. [wipes chocolate off lips]

I did an excellent fast day yesterday though, so happy with that.

Kitchen closed after my first FD. Still the evening to get through, but about to watch Elf with my ds, then will be bedtime story for him, and I'll curl up in bed with my Kindle after that, so hopefully I can stick to liquid for the rest of the time.

Had 50g smoked salmon for breakfast, home made chunky tomato soup for lunch (2 tinned chopped tomatoes, reduced down with a few flavourings), and 3 scrambled eggs with a smidge of milk for tea. Have drunk fizzy flavoured water al day (don't like plain water, and dont really drink hot drinks either), Have come in at about 550 cals, so am really happy with that.

Must say though, my biggest NSV today wasnt the 550 cals, or not partaking of the chocolates at the staff meeting this morning. Nope, it was resisting the temptation of the cold onion rings my ds didn't eat with his tea. As I am recently, unhappily, intolerant to the allium family, was a big NSV of many sorts grin

I hope everybody else was successful today, roll on 2 NFD's now, before the next one.

Well done on an excellent 1st FD, Glass !

MazzleDazzle Fri 03-Jan-14 20:43:50

Well done glass!

A NFD for me today. 1800 cals with no snacking. Was, at times, as hard as a FD. Going to the cinema tomorrow and visiting friends, so will enjoy some treats. The thought kept me going throughout today.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 03-Jan-14 20:52:42

Not2BeObvious - next time you do one give me a shout and we can support each other if you like.

ImABadGirl Fri 03-Jan-14 22:08:42

NFD for me today and I had 1808 calories, I had nearly 300 calories worth of chocolate, will this affect my weight loss? I'm doing ADF and have stuck religiously to 500 or under on the 3 FD so far.

Ima For weight loss, all nutrition experts agree it is basically just total calories, not whether they come from choc or veg <anyway, chocolate is vegetarian>.
It is good to have treats (within reason) on NFD, because this is part of what makes it a sustainable WOE.
Enjoy !

ImABadGirl Fri 03-Jan-14 23:31:13

Thanks for that bigchoc, I have calculated my calorie intake for this week and it comes to 6890 so going on my TDEE of 1995, my calorie deficit is 7075 so that should equal 2 lbs loss

or am I over thinking this massively??

Ima That is the theory, but your particular body may lose more slowly (e.g.if you are starting from a healthy BMI), or more quickly.

BTW: If you find ADF a strain, especially after a few weeks, then try changing one of your FDs to a mini-FD, or moving to 5:2.
Different IF suits different individuals.

Many folk find HIIT and lifting help accelerate weight loss on IF ExerciseThread

ImABadGirl Fri 03-Jan-14 23:54:14

my starting BMI is 28 so not too bad, I weigh 76kg and aim to get to 56kg, I know it's doable on this woe just have to get used to it

These threads are fab grin

ImABadGirl Fri 03-Jan-14 23:57:44

I've exercised every day so far, today I walked 5 miles at a quite fast pace, my head is in the right place at last!

hopefulgum Sat 04-Jan-14 00:07:53

Yes, Bigchoc, the fact that we can eat treats on NFD's makes this the easiest WOE I think.

Otherwise it is easy to feel deprived and tell ourselves that no diet is worth giving up our favourite things. The great thing about 5:2 is that it also teaches you what provides the most calories, and what doesn't: vegies. I think the 5:2 encourages more vegetable eating as they are the lowest calories, and eating loads of vege is great for the body.

Yesterday was a NFD and I was under TDEE. That was a bit of a surprise to me, but I think it helped that I didn't feel like breakfast, which meant I'd saved a lot of calories. Is it important to meet TDEE on NFD's? I don't ant my body to feel it is going into starvation, which will in turn stall weight loss.

This morning is a whole different scene: Gluten free pancakes with butter, maple syrup and mascarponeshock Oh yeah, I feel satisfied! Glad I am going to swim laps today!

Betsy, I have issues with wheat (and other gluten too), but funnily enough was able to tolerate it while pregnant. I would get up in the middle of the night to have a white bread peanut butter sandwich ( coincidentally my DS's favourite food!). But when I am not pregnant, gluten will make me look pregnant and I have awful bloating and discomfort, which usually ends with awful cramps and diarreah. It isn't pleasant and it means passing up all cakes,biscuits and breads made with gluten is actually easy.

My next fast day is Monday. I feel ready with the carrot and coriander soup in the freezer, and some seafood for a light dinner. Yum!

hopefulgum Sat 04-Jan-14 00:12:47

ImaBadGirl, I am almost the same weight and have a similar goal to you, though I am hoping to get to 60kgs first. I'd love to be 56kgs, but it just seems so far off...

My friend who inspired me to go 5:2 started last February, but was definitely not overweight, I think she was about 63kgs, and by the end of the year, just before Christmas she weighed in at 55kgs. She felt she hadn't even tried to lose weight, for her it was about the health benefits. However, as I have a lot more weight to lose, I think that maybe I could still have a similar, if not better loss over a year of 5:2 ing.


Many 5:2ers eat about 10% under TDEE for 2-3 NFDs, to save calories for the weekend; again, this helps makes the WOL sustainable.

Aim for the weekly total of your NFD calories, because IF needs a big contrast between FD and NFD.

Example for TDEE 2000:
- 2 x 500 FDs
- 3 x 1800 NFDs (so saving 600 cals for the weekend)
- 2 x 2300 NFDs (weekend)

My bedtime now. Enjoy your evening.

NFD here today. We had a big group of friends round for dinner, so I was super sensible and had salad for lunch. Then pizza for dinner (I used chickpea flour for the base of mine) with lots more salad.

Really busy day tomorrow, I might fast just so I have one less thing to fit in!

hopefulgum Sat 04-Jan-14 06:14:16

Oh thanks Bigchoc, I like the sound of that. Especially as I went out for lunch and ate a big pile of lovely,lovely hot chips!

I am guessing I will easily go over 1700 calories today, but that seems to be fine as it is the weekend and I've been good all week. 1700 is less than my TDEE(ideal weight) which is much closer to 1800. My actual TDEE for the weight I am now is about 2000, but I am sure I read I should use the TDEE of my ideal weight?

hopefulgum Sat 04-Jan-14 06:36:05

Thanks, Bigchoc, I will try to work out my NFD's TDEE now.

Greenkit Sat 04-Jan-14 07:42:24

EarSlapsTue 31-Dec-13 06:22:51

Greenkit- did you drink lots and lots of water? Normally we get most of the water we need from our food, so if you're not eating as much you need to make sure you drink more. Also, some people find they need something salty on fast days- a drink of hot bovril if you're struggling is really good. I don't normally like things salty but on fast days I crave salt.

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greenkit I suffer from migraine so ensure that I drink plenty on fast days and as earslaps says something salty, I have a cup of veg bouillon. Also if you normally drink tea or coffee keep that up too as it could caffeine withdrawal.
If fasting on waking I have a large glass of water followed about half an hour later with a cup if tea, I then have another tea mid morning then a large glass of water and a small lunch as I split my calories, then a tea. I have another large glass of water around 3pm then around 4.30ish I have a cup of hot bouillon. Then dinner around 6/7 and a tea around 8pm then before bed a small glass of water.

Thank you for this, I will try and add more water

BetsyBell Sat 04-Jan-14 08:46:37

Hmm, had an unexpected cheese fest last night - decided that the snacking was equivalent to 2 meals so I'm going to fast until this evening.

I've just read an interesting new article on the bbc on IF, mainly based on Longo's research re. IGF levels. I'll pop a link to it when I'm on a more suitable device.

BetsyBell Sat 04-Jan-14 09:00:26

Ooh, just did a weigh in (out of interest) and despite my massive cheese fest (and cake blush ) I am only a few ounces up on yesterday. I guess the 5 mile walk really did the trick.

There's something in this exercise lark isn't there grin

Still doing a mini fast today though.

The weather is filthy here, not sure if another big walk will be possible desirable today.

BetsyBell Sat 04-Jan-14 10:13:54

BBC links on IF- these links are from someone doing 5 day fasts once a month:

The NHS site has updated its 5:2 article - it's still annoyingly says things like

"You are likely to be very hungry and have less energy and this could affect your ability to function (such as at work), in particular it may affect your ability to exercise which is an important part of maintaining a healthy weight."

but it is a vast improvement on the article there a year ago.

I'll put these on the Tips and Links thread too.

Abi01 Sat 04-Jan-14 10:49:06

Thanks BetsyBell and BigChoc I will take a look at the Exercise thread.

3 FDs for this week done and dusted and just finished day 4 of shred. Hopefulgum think I'm going to copy you and break my fast with some yummy gluten free pancakes with lots of nutella

Have a lovely weekend everyone smile

MazzleDazzle Sat 04-Jan-14 12:35:36

Thanks Betsy I'll check out those links.

Several NSVs to report today! NFD yesterday & today, but instead if feasting I didn't eat anything between 5.30pm and 10.30am - 17 hours. Skipped breakfast, went to the cinema this morning and only had a diet Pepsi and 3 flumps instead of the usual XL bucket of popcorn and family bag of Minstrels. Also I've stopped taking milk in my tea and coffee, something that only last week would have seemed impossible. I'm not missing it at all!

BetsyBell Sat 04-Jan-14 13:23:13

Brilliant stuff mazzle Lifestyle change victories!

Soon you'll be like me & my DH and be really intolerant of people constantly snacking in cinemas/theatres/walking around, muttering 'why do people feel like they need to eat constantly'!

BetsyBell Sat 04-Jan-14 13:24:31

(I used to think that a massive bag of Minstrels was an essential part of cinema-going grin )

BsshBossh Sat 04-Jan-14 13:30:08

Terrific LSV Mazzle, though I admit that I will often skip a meal just so I can devour cinema popcorn smile

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sat 04-Jan-14 13:54:09

Well done Mazzle, sounds amazing for a none fast day.

Thanks for those links betsy really interesting.

Today is my second fast day. I've only had 132 cals so far but am about to have some porridge. Also I've cleaned half the house so feeling quite productive.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sat 04-Jan-14 14:09:46

I agree with the cinema and eating, I find it hard to stay away from the ice cream at the cinema. It used to be a Wednesday treat years ago and now I associate the cinema with ice cream.

I just had the porridge and am still hungry, think I'll have a cup of tea instead.

ImABadGirl Sat 04-Jan-14 14:57:19

Fast day for me today and I've just had a mushroom omelette, that I made with 2 egg whites and 1 whole egg and 100g of beans, I lasted 18 hours since stomach has definitely shrunk as the omelette has really filled me up I have 250 cals for dinner which will be vegetable soup.

I have to really plan a fast day then I know what to look forward to, hope everyone's FD/NFD is going well.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 04-Jan-14 15:16:54

Everyone is doing so well.

Hello all smile.

NFD today. Went out without breakfast as I work up and could hear someone wink in my head saying "you don't need breakfast" so I didn't have any and put the fruit teacakes that were tempting me in the freezer. Went out to do errands and had a couple of crackers and cheese while preparing lunch then a couple more, a piece of herring and onion 1 inch size and 2 small slices of ox tongue. I'm a Northener, me grin. I also had 2 or 3 pieces of M&S bruschetta.

Just making Jamie Oliver's fish pie for us all to eat together and will also do peas and sprouts on the side. Veg wise there is carrots, celery and tomatoes in the pie. I plan to have some chocolate later.

I fell today. Still sore so not planning too much more housework.

Tomorrow I am making winter vegetable soup and fresh bread as per request of my 8 year old.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 04-Jan-14 15:20:42

Bought the paper today and ridiculously annoyed about the "Diet 2 days a week, eat normally for 5" booklet they have. I feel protective about our WOE and it annoys me when it is talked about and they have got it wrong. Have to admit haven't looked properly at it yet so they may have it right. This morning there was something on the radio about a fast where the health benefits have been proven but I am sure it wasn't about the 5:2 as it seemed a one off now and then. I missed the beginning so I could have been wrong about that too.

<goes before she makes more false claims>.

ImABadGirl Sat 04-Jan-14 15:28:39

toffee your winter veg soup sounds yummy, can I have your recipe, I need to start making my own soups smile

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sat 04-Jan-14 15:44:20

imabadgirl great minds must think alike. I'm having mushroom omelette for my dinner later. Going to try and eat it as late as possible.

toffee I have to admit my impression of the 5:2 was to eat normally on the 5 normal days. Really glad I am on this thread or I think I would have royally cocked things up by now.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Sat 04-Jan-14 15:47:04

My cinema trips always include ice cream, those big bag of minstrels I would buy from the supermarket and eat at home. Not had any for months now. We only go to the cinema 3 or 4 times a year at most anyway so will probably still have my ice cream treat.

Normal Saturday anything goes day today, though I've not eaten much as I've just not been hungry. Had something at 11 ok so it was a cupcake so was very naughty now will wait until my tea.

Have also looked into swimming pools near me. As it's too wet to run I've decided to swim again. I really enjoy swimming.

I'm apparently having a mini-fast today, I've had no time to do more than grab a quick snack so far!

There is a Bar Burrito next to our cinema. I like a big bowl with the veg, loads of guacamole and spicy salsa. Mexican food is my favourite.

toffee you're doing well. I'm third-ing the request for the soup recipe. Sounds like my lunch tomorrow!

BsshBossh Sat 04-Jan-14 16:15:51

Argh, so poorly these past two days. My body hasn't been craving its usual healthy fruit, veg and wholegrains but instead my menu has consisted of (yesterday) glass milk, 2 rose & violet cremes, 1 store-bought cheese straw, handful of Bombay mix, mint KitKat, packet of beef crisps and (today) 2 x Marmite on toast, handful Bombay mix, tube of Refreshers. Luckilly DH is forcing me to eat homemade crab cakes and salad tonight. Food cravings are so odd!

Not2bObvious Sat 04-Jan-14 17:04:37

I second the feeling poorly Bssh I've been in bed most of the day, miserable cold in my case. Making s

Not2bObvious Sat 04-Jan-14 17:15:04

As I was saying... Making some spicy thai bits to clear the sinuses. Having a 16:8 today mainly due to the fact it was pretty much lunchtime by the time I could get it together to feed us all! Kids were fed but me and dh just lay there sniffling and choking. I've felt a bit picky this afternoon but decided to get the head down and do food prep. I always find that works well for me, no desire to eat raw onion or chilli grin We decided we weren't leaving the house today so if it ain't in the fridge/press we aren't having it! So that vastly reduces options for badness, there is a few treats but nothing too bad. Hoping to feel better in advance of my pre 24 hour Lof, Toffee I'm doing this from tomorrow, basically having my Sunday lunch and making it a good one with dessert, then that's it til Monday lunch and 500 then until Tuesday morning. Dh thinks it sounds v extreme but really it's only about 5 more hours fasting than I normally do. So if you fancy giving it a shot with me virtually I'd love the companywink Going to do normal FD Thursday, nothing fancy lol!

MazzleDazzle Sat 04-Jan-14 17:22:12

That sounds like what I used to have for breakfast bssh!

Toffee I second your irritation at the mis-selling of 5:2! It implies that you can scoff like a pig five days of the week if you starve for two.

Interestingly, my 2 DC often go long spells without food and aren't keen on breakfast, or if they have a big breakfast, they don't want lunch or tea. I would have been mortified sending them out in the morning without eating and we often battled about it. From now on, I'm not going to coax them into eating breakfast and so long as they are properly hydrated, I'm sure they'll be fine.

BTW does anyone know anything about fasting when pregnant? If I do have another, this time I'd really like to stay in control of my eating. I'm ashamed to say that I consumed so much fat and sugar during first two pregnancies!

Indian take away and a couple of bottles of beer to look forward to tonight, then FD tomorrow.

ImABadGirl Sat 04-Jan-14 17:30:08

I have a colleague that is doing the 5:2 but moans like hell on his 'diet' days, then eats like a pig on his eat days, I did ask him the other day what was the point? He couldn't tell me, he is one of the ones that makes up for the diet days on eat days...bonkers grin and yes he is still as fat as when he first started in November!

Mazzle Do not fast when pregnant, or do any other diet unless advised to do so by your doctor.
I have some scientific links about the effects of dieting on the baby, but I won't post them unless someone requests, because they are rather alarming.

Just cut out junk food and stick to TDEE (of your current weight) during pregnancy unless your doctor advises otherwise.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 04-Jan-14 18:16:48

Winter Vegetable Soup.

Serves 8.

1 medium Savoy cabbage, quartered and cored.
30ml/2 tbsp. corn oil.
4 carrots, finely sliced.
2 celery stalks, finely sliced.
2 parsnips, diced.
1.5 litres/2 1/2 pints/6 1/4 cups of chicken stock
3 medium potatoes.
2 courgettes, sliced.
1 small red pepper, seeded and diced.
115 g/4oz/2 cups cauliflower florets.
2 tomatoes, seeded and diced.
2.5ml/1/2 tsp fresh thyme leaves or 1/4 tsp dried thyme.
30ml/2 tbsp. chopped fresh parsley.
salt and freshly ground pepper.

Note to self - when asking your 8 year old to write out the ingredients needed to make the soup you check it before you go as when you type it out for your internet friends you discover he only copied half the list.

Slice the cabbage quarters into thin strips across the leaves.

Heat the oil in a large saucepan. Add the cabbage, carrots, celery and parsnips and cook for 10-15 minutes over a medium heat, stirring frequently.

Stir the stock into the vegetables and bring to the boil, skimming off any foam that rises to the service.

Add the potatoes, courgettes, pepper, cauliflower and tomatoes with the herbs, and salt and pepper to taste. Bring back to the boil. Reduce the heat to low, cover the pan and simmer for 15-20 minutes until the vegetables are tender. Serve hot.


I have a soup book with over 200 soups in.

BetsyBell Sat 04-Jan-14 18:20:47

Mazzle During my second pregnancy I craved only healthy foods - wonderful wholesome eating of home cooked loveliness. I didn't put on weight (aside from the huge baby and accompaniments of course!). Don't fast or diet in pregnancy but aim to eat healthily as much as possible.

(first pregnancy was a very different story!)

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 04-Jan-14 18:20:52

Bssh - I hope you feel better soon. I totally sympathise with having lovely food in and not wanting to eat it.

Not2bObvious - same get well wishes to you too. I am in for a fast tomorrow though I will miss my lovely soup as I had planned to have it tomorrow evening.

flowers and (({hugs})) to Bssh, Not2b and anyone else with lurgies in this miserable weather, Oh, it is so long until spring !
Also for Toffee and her bruises after that fall.

Betsy Many thanks for those interesting links. I agree it is frustrating though:

a) Why can't they do scientific studies on 5:2 (so the NHS and others stop saying it is 'unproven') ?
-Thousands of people are doing 5:2 and it is a a sustainable longterm WOL for almost any healthy person.
- In contrast the monthly 5-day fasts are something only a tiny % of people would do and which would not be possible for many people on health grounds, e.g. older people. We have already seen the problems some intense women exercisers have had with 16:8 and ADF.

b) Why won't the NHS sponsor 5:2 studies since so many Brits are losing weight on it, instead of complaining "evidence is limited" and still pushing that tired old "balanced diet, regular exercise, less alcohol" ?
-FFS many people already have a healthy lifestyle, but still get fatter with age.
- It would take very little work to ask 5:2ers if fasting hindered their exercise.
- Also, it is sloppy work that the NHS didn't find the Michelle Harvey studies in their previous version of the 5:2 article.

<OK, winge is over>

Not2bObvious Sat 04-Jan-14 18:54:28

Toffee what if you blend your portion of soup to liquid? Then you can keep to Lof grin Or failing that, save it for lunch on Monday? It sounds delish!
Thanks all for the well wishes, sweating after too many chillis in my thai but that's got to be good, get it all out. Having a glass of medicinal winewink

I believe the booklet in the paper today is an extract they published a while ago based on Michelle Harvie's studies/book. It is slightly different to the way most of us on here do IF but she is a Cancer Specialist based in Manchester and has conducted 10 years of research on IF. She is also referenced in Michael Moseley and Mimi Spencer's book as was Krista Varady. It's not a wrong way of practising IF, just different. There are loads of forms of IF and it's been around for years.
By the way, Mimi Spencer is now fortunate enough to have given up the majority of her newspaper columns and is studying to teach yoga. Both her and MM have made millions from 5 to 2 so I can kind of understand Varady being a bit naffed off considering the years she has been conducting research on humans.

BsshBossh Sat 04-Jan-14 19:17:21

Isn't the 2-day diet more restrictive ie 2 consecutive days no-carb fasts followed by 5 days eating a healthy Med diet?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 04-Jan-14 19:18:24

Inspired Not2b!!! I will do that if it is allowed.

I think my stomach has shrunk. We finished tea at 5. About half an hour ago I had some fruit and nut (no telling me off for snacking!) and am half way through a small glass of honeycomb liquor. I feel unpleasantly full sad. And a little bit tipsy grin.

Varady re ADF & Health (in her book)

Probably apply to some extent to all IF:
- LDL lowered, in particular the dangerous hard dense LDL particles
- Large increase in adiponectin, a hormone which protects the heart
- Brain cells strengthened
- Muscle is retained or, with intense exercise, increased (detail in exercise thread)

She doesn't specifically mention hormesis though, which is surprising. I found the book too dumbed down.

BsshBossh Sat 04-Jan-14 19:20:32

honeycomb liquor oh yum!

mscnile Sat 04-Jan-14 19:24:12

Evening all. NFD here but not going as overboard as I usually do on a weekend, plus yest was NFD and came in at 1000 calories so making up for my pitiful FD attempt on thurs, think I may need to have a word with myself hmm

Sorry to hear some of you are still or newly poorly, it's a rubbish time of year for it. I need to get out running, wish the weather would sort itself out.

Toffee I hope you're ok after falling. I agree with you about the mail article, read it earlier and despaired.

Next FD is Monday, tomorrow is blowout roast to celebrate the end of the hols/commiserate being back to school...

mscnile Sat 04-Jan-14 19:25:05

Oh honeycomb liqueur sounds gorgeous, where can I get some?!

Yes Bssh it is exactly that. Like I said it's just a different form of IF and would not suit me as it is too restrictive but it is backed up by a lot of research conducted on humans for its cancer prevention benefits amongst others. I just wanted to make the point that it's not someone just jumping on the 5 to 2 bandwagon and putting out bad advice. smile

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 04-Jan-14 19:39:59

Honeycomb liquor is from Marks and Spencers. It think it is about £8 a bottle.

Did I mention I fell over in said M&S in front of loads of people grin.

My wrist still really hurts. Bummer.

Not2bObvious Sat 04-Jan-14 20:07:21

Could have been worse Toffee, could have been in Tesco wink
It wasn't not a normal fall, it was an M&S fall grin

BetsyBell Sat 04-Jan-14 20:25:13

Have they made millions Hurricane?

Maybe that's why Varady's been dumbed down, Thanks again for the highlights BCF - I'm absorbing it all with interest smile

BetsyBell Sat 04-Jan-14 20:27:32

It wasn't not a normal fall, it was an M&S fall

Love it Not2! Hope you're ok Toffs - if you were in the US you'd be obliged to sue M&S for that!

BetsyBell Sat 04-Jan-14 20:30:03

There's little longterm-ism in this country BCF - it could save the NHS future millions to pump a bit of money into research, but any given current govt won't do it as it will effectively likely 'benefit' a different govt. <simplistic viewpoint alert>

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sat 04-Jan-14 21:06:29

An M&S fall grin hope you are ok toffee

Fast day finished, came in just under 1000 cals (breast feeding) so quite pleased with myself. Going to see friends tomorrow and have already bought cake for it smile, will have to limit myself to just one slice.

Hello! Can't begin to catch up with the last 13 pages but will have a go tomorrow when I should be lesson planning Went to visit my mum in the south west and practically had to swim home, we were glad we had a 4x4! Feel so sorry for those who have been flooded/evacuated, we have been lucky in London compared to many others.

A breezy well done losers/fasters and get well soon to those who need it - that will have to do for now!

Ok probably a slight exaggeration with the millions but with three best selling books between them it will be a lot. And good on them, I just hope the scientists who have undertaken the years of research of the effects of IF on humans who have been referenced in one of those books benefit too.


I have the Michelle Harvey book as Kindle and you are right: 2 consecutive days of 650 low carb cals, then 5 days of Mediterranean TDEE.

She writes that the 2-day diet produced more weight loss, waist reduction and lower insulin, also better adherence, than daily CR.

The 5:2 book quoted extensive scientific studies that she, Varady and Mattson did.
Michael Mosley and Mimi Spencer used themselves as guinea pigs, but didn't do scientific studies.
So, Harvie & Varady didn't jump on the bandwagon; they did most of the the flipping work !!!

Only Mattson has not publicly expressed annoyance at the 5:2 book.

Ironically, Mosley goes more into the science in their book than the 2 scientists did, especially Varady.

Varady's book has the occasional fascinating snippet which I've reported on our threads, but it is only 220 pages, with the 2 main chapters being recipes / ready meal lists for main meal and "snack".
She sings the praises of snacks (sorry, tip) but I think she means more a healthy mini-meal than junk.

I still think our 5:2 is the most doable and sustainable WOL for the real world, outside the supervised studies.

5:2 enables more enjoyment and a normal social life because:
- instead of Mediterranean, we eat what we want for TDEE for 5 days and
- we can move our FDs to fit our schedule.

ADF produces more weight loss for some, but it is not a longterm WOL and is more likely to cause problems for intensive exercisers.

DefiniteMaybe Sat 04-Jan-14 22:07:13

Hi everyone, I've just stumbled across this thread, can I join in?
I started 5:2 last Saturday, had a FD last Saturday, Wednesday and today. Today's fast has come to 501 calories according to MFP.
I found the first 2 fast days fairly easy but have struggled a bit today. Am off to bed soon, can't eat while sleeping!

DefiniteMaybe Sat 04-Jan-14 22:08:24

Oh forgot to add, I've lost 9lbs this week which is a good chunk of the 100lbs I need to lose to reach a healthy bmi.

BetsyBell Sat 04-Jan-14 22:22:08

Hello Definitmaybe! 9lbs eh? Sounds like you've started this WOE in style!

somewherebecomingrain Sat 04-Jan-14 22:32:55

bigchoc thanka so much for varady précis. <strengthens brain cells> que? Sounds great but what does that mean?

Lovely quick catch up. Don't know if people have followed my epic NFD overeating (4000cal no problem) but dd taking less by breast and have ha a stark NSV today. After mini fasting weds/thurs and pigging out on Friday, today I Actually could not physically eat lunch and stomach felt v uncomfortable a la bsssh.

Just had soup for dinner. Dp sent me out for chocolate and so I had some but very strange for a fast to choose me rather than me choose a fast iykwim.

Have waited a long time for this!

Wow, Definite, you are really motoring on this WOE !

somewhere That quote was Varady's own dumbed-down description, presumably for the cell repair and reduced risk of dementia, since she didn't use the word "hormesis" once in the entire book - I did a kindle search for it.

Somewhere Promising news. Sounds like something chemical / hormonal has changed after your DD started lunching elsewhere.
4000 is impressive on a regular basis - you said DD had a huge appetite.

somewherebecomingrain Sun 05-Jan-14 07:33:57

Ooh will google hormesis.

RavenousRunner Sun 05-Jan-14 07:58:58

Hi all, can I join you for some New Year's inspiration?

I started 5:2 last May and loved it - went from 11 and a half stone to 10 and a half by August (I'm 5'9"), then went on holiday and lost a few more pounds sticking to TDEE with lots of exercise. Once I started a new job in September I completely stopped thinking about my eating at all, but still only put on a pound (despite my office stocking the fridge with KitKats! Luckily the little 100 calorie ones).

Then it was Christmas, I went to the countryside, and came back 5 pounds heavier. It's not going away, and even being careful this week I seem to have gained another pound. I think I broke whatever 5:2 had fixed. So, time to start again! First FD since the summer planned for tomorrow.

I'd like to get down to 10 stone by March when I have a 10k scheduled - maybe a bit too ambitious - but at least to take off all the cheese and yorkshire pudding which has settled on my bum. Will probably start at about 1000 calories and see how it goes though, I'm a pupil barrister so everyday is like a job interview and I can't afford a rumbling stomach in court!

I lurked a bit in the summer and loved this thread, it stopped me giving up on FDs more than once. Enjoy your Sunday roasts everyone!

ImABadGirl Sun 05-Jan-14 08:16:35

so weigh in this morning and I've lost 3lbs which I'm very happy with considering it's my totm, NFD for me today and looking forward to 1130 so I can eat, it's definitely getting easier smile

Not2bObvious Sun 05-Jan-14 08:34:33

Well done Badgirl! That's close to a quarter of a stone, great work. Welcome back RR, the way you took to this WOL/woe last year is v impressive, going on holidays and losing weight is some acheivement as is only gaining a pound since starting the new job. I hear you on the stubborn Xmas weight but let's be fair to ourselves, it's not even 2 weeks since the main day and then there was New Years, take into account lead up to it all and come dibs it's a good 3-4 weeks of disruption. So like a pregnancy, 9 months on/9 months off, for choc/wine /cheese/crisp baby 3-4 weeks on/3-4 weeks off. I aim to shift my choccie belly by the end of the month.
Still sniffly this morning but as long as the rain keeps off and even if it doesn't, have an umbrella, I'm off for a huge walk which will incorporate a lot of shopping so that'll keep my mind off food til my decadent lunch. Anyone else any plans today?

MazzleDazzle Sun 05-Jan-14 08:37:14

9lbs Definite shock?

<swallows her jealousy>
It's taken me a month to lose that. Well done! Keep at it and just think where you'll be in a month!

I'm having another FD today, so it will be 4:3 this week. I feel like I need it as the weight is very slow in coming off and I've been so lazy the last few weeks.

My shiny new form of torture exercise regime starts tomorrow!

mummyof2girlsx Sun 05-Jan-14 09:45:57

Well I seem to have lost all self control over the festive period sad
I have ate and drank far too much, although it was enjoyable at the time, my tummy is much more rounded and feeling bloated, NOT looking forward to braving the scales tomorrow.

FD tomorrow (first in over 2 weeks shock)

Hope everyone had an enjoyable Christmas and New Year smile

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted Sun 05-Jan-14 10:00:03

Well done on the 9lbs definate

mazzle 4:3 sounds impressive

I've done two fasts and have lost 2lbs, not too bad considering I'm not eating particularly mindfully on my none fast days.

Morning all, looking forward to getting back into routine fasting this week, after the festive abandonment.

I did buy The Times yesterday, for the recipes, even if I don't intend to follow Varady's Every Other Day approach. I shall report back on the courgette and chorizo dish.

ELR Sun 05-Jan-14 10:16:27
positively9something Sun 05-Jan-14 11:00:50

Morning all, well after Christmas put on one pound which I was happy with and didn't feel like I had over eaten a lot. But since New Years I have felt bloated, miserable and have put on about 3 1/2 pounds! I know it doesn't sound a lot but that means that I have really only lost 7lbs since starting 5:2 at the beginning of November. It also means I am now 10.2.6 and not 9 something.

I'm keeping the name as I am going to loose the weight and be 9something very soon grin

I need to get motivated to exercise! Twice this week I thought I would try to get to the gym but I just don't fancy it at the moment confused

What exercise can I do to get things moving along quickly? I'm feeling very unfit

PoshPaula Sun 05-Jan-14 13:23:50

I too am fasting tomorrow for the first time in two weeks. I need it! In a weird way I am looking forward to it. Although it will be really tough.... But I can't wait to feel less bloated and sluggish.

Hormesis The exercise thread has a lot in the OP and other posts.

Alternating between “extremes” intervals of feast and fast (like 5:2) or intense exercise and rest, makes the body more resilient and enables repair.
The following recovery period avoids damage from over-stressing.
Current theory is that it may reduce biological aging and risks of some diseases such as cancer, dementia.
Hormosis Mattson and Hormesis and BendAge

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 05-Jan-14 13:38:43

Afternoon all smile.

Been cleaning like a ma woman all morning, bits of my lunch taste strange, water I just had was vile. Who knew you could get sympathy expecting side effectshmmconfused.

Yes, DH said I should complain in M&S too but I am sure he was only joking. Was 100% my fault.

I have checked and it is honeycomb cream not liquor from M&S.

I have made our roast dinner and prepped all the 8 vegetables for the soup and am preparing it now so I can actually have a decent sit down to catch up on here.

Welcome to all the newbies.

Well done to all the maintainers and those who have lost. I have maintained for 3days but will be starting a (how long *Not2b/) LOF so hope to have lost something at the end of it. Just had a home made mince pie instead of after tea since I won't be having tea.

Southeastdweller Sun 05-Jan-14 14:00:57

BigChoc Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Dr Varady book. I got The Times yesterday and intrigued that according to her "you don't have to be careful about what you eat on feed days". I also note that she's only sampled 16 human subjects and am really hmm about 100 calorie snacks being allowed on Diet Days. I think I'll get the book from the library later in the month.

I'm going to read the whole article in the gym now and sorry for not linking but it's copyrighted or something and MN would delete my post...


The Times was wrong about the # of test subjects: Kindle won't let me copy paragraphs from Varady's book and I can't post screenshots; however, the book refers to "7 clinical trials involving nearly 400 people, with results published in 20 scientific articles".
I think Michelle Harvey only had 16 subjects for her 2-day diet study. maybe they confused that ?

Varady's "snacks" fit in well with my post-training shake, but I'm damn sure very few of her target audience are mad gym bunnies intensive exercisers. Maybe she found a snack necessary for diet compliance?
The book says "eat what you want on feast days" and that "noone overeats", but she has written elsewhere that this holds for 90% of people.
Maybe her supervised test subjects didn't over-eat, but in the real world, in which hundreds of people have ADFed for years (e.g. Dr Johnson et al), maybe the consensus is that 10% do binge and hence need to monitor their FDs.
If that 10% eat 25% TDEE on FDs, then presumably they eat at least 175% TDEE every other day, regularly, not the occasional frenzy.

P.S. Her test subjects lost slightly more weight and fat on high-fat NFDs than low-fat ones. That part of "eat what you want" is true.

Not2bObvious Sun 05-Jan-14 15:27:31

Ok Toffee I've officially started my 24 hours, just finished mammoth lunch, which I commenced at 2pm, so slight cheating or not, my 24 ends at 2pm tomorrow. Am full to the gills, black tea/coffee/miso soup for the rest if the day, early night planned(that's me being brave, I have it in the press, I'll never drink it, no feckin hope !)
So once the wine wears off (it was Sunday lunch, we do have a tipple of a Sundaywink)
No exercise todaysad Wind & rain conspired and the weather man say no way so sense prevailed. I'd go on the treadmill only I'd probably fall off, one meal day which started with a glass of Pinot G while prepping lunch may have been a decadent step too fargrin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 05-Jan-14 15:40:56

I started mine at 1.15pm. I did have a tiny piece of potato earlier as I made the soup and forgot to put the potato in, simmered for another 20 minutes and then tried it but I am claiming from 1.15pm. So no food for 24 hours. Is it any drinks or just water? And how does it count if I am allowed to blend my soup down to liquid when it is vegetables? confused.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Sun 05-Jan-14 15:59:18

Just got back from swimming. I know it's not the highest impact exercise, but I enjoyed it. I'm going every Tuesday night while the nights are dark. Sundays will either be a long run or 45 mins in the pool. Once the DCs are older so I can go straight from work I will join a gym, but ATM I just don't have the time or money. So for now it's running and swimming with some ab exercises at home.

It's also just occurred to me that I'm at work tomorrow. First day in my new job. Also a FD tomorrow, might as well start my new job in the same way as I intend to carry on. If I just drink water I won't associate my desk with other drinks. That was my theory with my last job and it worked out well.

CJMommy Sun 05-Jan-14 16:32:28

Am doing my first ever FD tomorrowconfused. Thought I would try 16:8 too so won't eat after 8pm tonight-next food at midday tomorrow. My hope is that after a few FD's I'll be able to stretch it to tea time i.e. 18 ish hours!

I think I'll have a soup and fruit day tomorrow until I can get to read the recipe thread in more detail? Although i do have a nice piece if salmon in the fridge so may have that with lots of salad for tea tomorrow?

Just a few questions, can I still have coffee with milk/sweetener whilst I fast between 8pm and midday? What about fruit squash? Do I just need to count the cals in the milk/squash?

Stood in scales this morning and am a whole stone hmmshock heavier than I was 5 months ago-what the hell happened??? So now I am 2.5 stones away from my goal as opposed to 1.5! Grrrrr! I so want to be able to do this instead of sabotaging myself at every opportunity!

On a positive note, I am also doing the 'drying out in January' thing as got into the habit of a large glass of wine or two every night. shock

CJMommy Sun 05-Jan-14 16:34:21

One more thing, what's Miso soup?

Good luck for tomorrow biscuits hope the new job goes well.

I will probably be a Monday faster too, time to get back in the habit. I have achieved SWATH of a sort, as I'm still within my maintenance zone (just!). I ran a PB of 56:18 for 10k this morning and have been doing 16:8 most days this week so something must be working.

Not2bObvious Sun 05-Jan-14 16:34:40

Not too sure toffee, I have a recollection of 50 cals or under. You did each something decent by 1.15? I've eaten my tdee, as I reckoned I was treating it the same as any normal nfd except I was closing the kitchen wayyy earlier than the normal 7pm. It's not a starvation exercise, it's just an easier way, ime, of doing a 24 hour fast. Certainly isn't starvation in my case, I had a HUGE lunch/pudding. Will be in bed by 9pm

TalkinPeace Sun 05-Jan-14 16:40:38

what is Miso Soup?
there are two answers

(a) packaged stuff with lots of extra salt and goodness knows what else that costs lots and tastes foul

(b) a spoonful of 'miso paste' (any supermarket) and a stock pot, into a bowl with enough boiling water to dissolve, half a spring onion chopped in. Stir. Pour into a soup bowl, top up with cooler water, sprinkle over the other half of the chopped spring onion. Enjoy

Guess which one I prefer wink

Not2bObvious Sun 05-Jan-14 16:52:30

Ah crap, I think I have the a. version of Miso. Only thing is it don't cost lots. Doesn't matter, I have a feeling it'll never make it out of the press

TalkinPeace Sun 05-Jan-14 16:57:54

make it up half and half with version B
OR use it to make cheap tinned vegetable soup taste of something
OR use it as stock in a stir fry
nothing wasted ....

BetsyBell Sun 05-Jan-14 17:06:38

CJ - soup and or salmon/salad is a great fast day plan. A splash of milk is fine - just include the calories into your allowance (approx 15-20 cals). I'm not a fan of sweeteners (the sweetness tricks the body into expecting calories so can actually make you hungry) but do what you've got to do - maybe aim to reduce or give them up eventually…

(I'll always favour natural type foods over synthetic crap I'm afraid, not getting at you personally grin )

Good luck with your first fast! They'll be lots of us doing the same tomorrow so I imagine this thread will be quite active then smile

BetsyBell Sun 05-Jan-14 17:09:22

If you don't have miso (or decent miso!) to hand, hot water with half(? - maybe too much) a stock cube, bovril or a spoon of bouillon feels quite satisfying - like a cupasoup but without the calories or (fewer of the) crap ingredients.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 05-Jan-14 17:23:49

Not2bObvious - I think I am going to struggle since it is only 4hours in. Are we doing 24? Eek. DH has made the kids bacon sandwiches as I forgot about the soup I made. Feel a bit flat. Kids back to school this week. DH hardly seen each other today and have been a bit snappy together.

I did have roast chicken lunch and a mince pie but feel like crying as I am so annoyed with myself as I feel like I am battling food issues again as I have said I won't eat for 24 hours confused.

BetsyBell Sun 05-Jan-14 17:31:30

Toffee Settle back into it gradually - maybe 16 or 18 hours liquid only, or even a mini fast. It's not meant to be a punishment and if it's putting you in a bad frame of mind then that's not ok. <protective face>