The 5:2 thread number 32 - We can eat it tomorrow: toffees, toffee sponge or even toffee sausages!

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TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Wed 04-Dec-13 09:32:52

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Wed 04-Dec-13 09:35:44

Oi LOSERS!

Please use last thread up first or we shall set BigChoc on you, and show Tip those pictures of you snacking! You know the ones! fwink

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Wed 04-Dec-13 09:40:44

Oh and yes that does make me first fgrin fgrin :p

Thanks to Betsy for preparing thread and coming up with the new title. thanks

Thanks to Toffee for inspiring the title. [sausage]

Thanks to TheRealToffee'sSausage for just being so damn sexy! fwink

rubbishfamily333 Wed 04-Dec-13 10:42:54

Just marking my place on the new thread fsmile

Marking the spot

annielewis Wed 04-Dec-13 11:39:43

Marking place so i don't lose you all!!!

fsmileflowers

postmanpatsreindeer Wed 04-Dec-13 12:30:19

Sticky toffee sponge for me please, and no sausages unless they're veggie!

Thanks turkey and betsy for keeping us organised.

sweetiepie1979 Wed 04-Dec-13 13:23:43

Ok! I'm here. fast day today as Monday ended up being a mini fast due to the houmous moment! Today I have had a black coffee and a miso soup with Tabasco sauce. Tonight's dinner is waitrose low cal chicken korma. That will make it 500. I do feel lighter today but bot weighing in. Dh said I'm losing weight in my face and I'm getting g some shape back so that's good since I've only lost 4 pounds and still 2 stone to go. Dd2 made me run with the scooter this morning and when I wouldn't run she sat down in the road so I had to run for about 10 minutes absolutely wasn't fit fir it at 6 week's postpartum, never leaving the house with her again! Good luck all casters today x

Dotty342kids Wed 04-Dec-13 13:50:17

Marking place with some stats:

Height: 5"4
SW (Feb 2013): 11st 8
BMI: Not sure, but def in the overweight category
Lowest weight (Aug 2013): 10st 5 (just on border of "healthy" BMI)
CW: 10st 7
GW: 10st 2-3ish

Thanks to whoever suggested, on the subject of my self sabotaging tendencies, limiting the naughtiness eg. I can have wine, but not chocolate, or crisps, but not cake as well. I like that idea! smile

Well done creating the new thread, Turkey. We like the cut of your giblets.
flowers
<but this thread seems to be making really loud Frenzy farts>
confused
Has some greedy avian been forgetting NND and Frenzying ??

Toffee That is real fame: inspiring a thread title.

Woohoo! Thanks cuckoo turkey YOU DID IT grin grin grin - executed perfectly my dear smile flowers

Credit goes to bssh and of course toffee (and sausage) for the title!

Teamwork!

devoncreamtea Wed 04-Dec-13 16:55:05

Hiya, found new thread! Good to hear all your ups and downs - frenzying??!! Think I may have joined in - did great first fast on mon, felt fine - next day ok, was really super busy, missed lunch as on train then felt very odd (low blood sugar?) drank a hot choc as on hop between meetings and that was a v. big mistake! Felt much worse. When finally got home was chaos and had to wrestle children into bed etc - so didn't eat till 8 then drank wine and ate some posh pudding.. today feel bit hopeless! Any tips about what to do the day after a fast to feel good and keep the whole thing going? How much weight did you guys expect to lose doing this WOE - and was it pretty quick or have you needed to persevere for results? I've read the lovely inspirational thread, but it would be great to hear your experiences too. Will not fast till next week now as have horrid cold.

Oh dear I'm in Starbucks. My husband made me a toffee horse once. Long story. The coq was au vin. Frozen treasure! Having a hell of a day. Will do mini fast tomorrow.

postmanpatsreindeer Wed 04-Dec-13 17:22:22

My husband made me a toffee horse once

Well, I've never heard it called that before!

Sounds a bit like the sort of thing DD2 would come out with too though...she is famous for 'I accidentally drew Hitler today' and, said with a shrug, 'Ducks have gas!' (the last of which was while wearing a duck onesie...you can guess what happened!)

BsshBossh Wed 04-Dec-13 17:46:37

Thanks for the new thread Cuckoo / Turkey.

Hello! Please everyone continue to post your stats:

Height
Start weight (with BMI if poss)
Current weight
Goal weight

Let's inspire each other with numbers!

dingdongduckyfuzz Wed 04-Dec-13 17:48:11

hello new thread

will there be sausage orgies on this one too?

BsshBossh Wed 04-Dec-13 17:57:14

devoncreamtea
Any tips about what to do the day after a fast to feel good and keep the whole thing going?
I simply eat whatever I want (some days all I crave is a thick slice of cake, other days I want lots of protein and fruit. My key thing is that as I always overindulge at weekends, I consciously try not to overeat on weekdays. But 5:2 is so entrenched in my routine now (been at it since February this year) that it's second nature. The health benefits keep me motivated more than the weight loss these days.

How much weight did you guys expect to lose doing this WOE?
I expected to reach goal.

and was it pretty quick or have you needed to persevere for results?
Quick to begin with (though I consider 1 lb loss a week to be a good amount - I'm easily pleased!) now much slower. Perseverance, patience and diligence are my catchphrases for anything I want to achieve in life and I'm very good at sticking with things.

Talkinpeace Wed 04-Dec-13 18:10:55

My stats are on my profile pic
But

as its Christmas coming up
I'm going to take a picture of me in a party frock and add it to my profile (face blanked as usual)
Lets all do them
especially the men in their frocks
and have a virtual 5:2 party going by Christmas eve .... fgrin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 04-Dec-13 18:18:55

grin

Does this mean I am accepted, here and joined in? <first time ever though I know I have been welcomed on previous threadssmile>.

Sexy shockshock.

I felt slim tonight when ironing grin.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 04-Dec-13 18:22:36

I mean generally in life I have not been accepted and welcome to join in.

tip I shall join you in the Christmas party dress picture, but I'll take it just before I go out so I look half decent!

postmanpatsreindeer Wed 04-Dec-13 18:36:41

(((((*toffee*))))) I'll be your new BFF if you want one thanks

toffee I often felt like that too. Of course you're welcome to join in (although I'm not sure if I'm qualified to say that!)

Stats: I got up to 14 stone when pregnant. What's that in lbs? Had baby in January. Started weighing in April. So that's my start weight, although before / between pgs I hovered a bit above 10 lbs.

SW 170 lbs
CW 135 lbs
GW 133 lbs (but I'm starting to think I might aim for 127 which is 9st)

And I'm 36 and 5'4.

ooh stats are very motivating and I will also post a pic of the Christmas party frock but just before I go out so I'm looking gorgeous fgrin.
5 '3" 50 years old
Pre 5:2 SW 11st 9 BMI 28.9
5:2 SW 11st 2 BMI 27.6
CW 9st 11 lbs BMI 24.3
GW. 9st 7. BMI 23.6
I might revise the goal a bit lower when I get there

Toffee I have never seen anyone else name checked on the thread titles before! You are not just accepted here but you are one of us <evil voice> and you will never be allowed to leave mwah ha ha ha

Tip Hmm, I like the xmas frock photo idea, good idea. And an excuse to try on frocks I think! eat yes, post-party may not be so attractive fgrin

devoncreamtea Well done on getting going with the fasting. When I started out fasting I vaguely remember feeling odd the day after a fast and soon learned to be careful about what I ate on those days - even now I find I have to be moderate with carbs post-fast. However, your body does adjust and get used to it within a few weeks. Pay attention to what your body is telling you and try and respond appropriately. Weight loss-wise some people lose loads quickly and then slow down, some lose slowly but steadily. A few don't lose at all. Almost no one has a steady downward curve - weight bounces up and down but the general trend is down - it's best not to weigh too frequently. Do take measurements though!

Hey Whimsical and toffee and everyone! Everyone's included here! We all own this thread - every single one of us here makes it happen and without this amazing mutual support we all give each other I honestly don't think we could have had so much success. I couldn't have done this without you lovely lot (((((HUGS EVERYONE))))

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 04-Dec-13 19:02:25

blush Thank you postmanpatsreindeer. Your user name always makes me smile as I loved Postman Pat and my kids have quite a view books.

Betsy I can't tell you how happy that makes me feel blushgrin.

I don't want to leave. This is my favourite thread on MN though I am rubbish at keeping up with everyone.

MrsFlorrick Wed 04-Dec-13 19:09:15

Evening.

I am being a crap parent and letting the DC watch cartoons on my iPad (aka "mummypad" in this house). H is away again and DS is getting up in the night several times again. And yes DD has started sleepwalking. Oh joy the minute minutes of broken sleep I am getting!

At least DD seems to sleep walk straight into our room and creep into bed next to me grin small mercies.

NFD here. Am at TDEE (I have mine set at my goal weight and no exercise). But am planning to stick DC in bed and get Jillian Michaels out and be very very bad and have a glass of wine after. Oh yes I know how to live!!

I may even skip Xmas card writing and present wrapping for the night....

DC have excelled at naughtiness today. From the moment they rose this am until 10mins ago when "mummypad" made an appearance. hmm

I am hoping the rest of you feel less knackered than I do!

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Wed 04-Dec-13 19:29:17

Oh another shiney new thread!

NFD here and about to have supper after lunch out today, am LOF tomorrow as I find that so much better for me.

SW 13st 12lbs

CW 12st 2lbs

GW 10st 7lbs

Not2bObvious Wed 04-Dec-13 20:03:43

Coming to the end of what I thought was going to be a mini fast but ended up being a 19:5 FD - a new invention created in times of extreme busy'ness. Finished the day at 570!!! Happy out.
Dotty that was me who said wine but not wine and chocolate! I'm glad you like the idea and it can help your self sabotaging tendencies, it's a constant battle for me I must say. But 5:2 is really helping with that. Tried on my skinny size 12 jeans for my work night out and they look good enoughgrin Definately going to try keep up with this thread, need the encouragement over the next 3-4 weeks to be swath, that wily be a first!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 04-Dec-13 20:06:07

MrsF - sounds perfect parenting. Out sourcing when you need help wink.

I am fasting tomorrow to see if that helps me lose more weight than a Mon and Wed fast.

Rotten tummy ache. Major ov-ind - never noticed it once pre having had all my children. Feel like I need a wee but can't go. Thank goodness I have a Thursday coming tomorrow which is my favourite day of the week.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 04-Dec-13 20:06:39

ov-ing

BsshBossh Wed 04-Dec-13 20:18:22

I really fancy trying a 36 hour LOF tomorrow. I used to do them before Summer but haven't since. I feel like a proper fasting deep cleanse. Is anyone else up for it too?

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Wed 04-Dec-13 20:24:18

After the supper I've just finished, I'm up for 36hrs with you Bssh

Talk me through it?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 04-Dec-13 20:31:07

Me too [eek].

Fasting tomorrow anyway so could start from now?

I only ever drink water and lemonade with the odd coke so what will I do?

BsshBossh Wed 04-Dec-13 20:43:51

I used to just subsist on water, black coffee and herb tea on my 36 hour LOFs so I think I'll do the same. If I can't make it through then I have miso, cuppa soup or a light omelette meal planned at the 24 hour mark.

I know I can physically go "zero calorie" for 36 hours, so for me tomorrow's FD will be literally a mental challenge.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 04-Dec-13 20:48:30

I now can't eat until 8.30am Friday. Just told DH, he said I will faint. I think he is not happy about doing it in a worried about me way. I am wondering if I am aiming too high too quickly as I haven't even done a 24 hour fast before.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Wed 04-Dec-13 20:50:04

I can manage 24hrs on zero cals but break my fast with a 100cals soup for supper, I've done that my last 3 FDs

I'm in on the 36hrs stint.

So, just finishing a glass of wine, so that will mean zero cals until Friday morning, at about 9am, is that correct?

Talkinpeace Wed 04-Dec-13 20:52:04

I admit, I'm a white tea person so I never do zero calories, but no food for 24 - 30 hours is easy now
how scary is that!

EarSlaps Wed 04-Dec-13 20:57:51

We need a sausage smiley!

Well, FD yesterday ended up being a 22:2 with dominos pizza. Oh well, DH had just got back from being away overnight and we felt like it. Plus it was 2 for 1 Tuesday grin. And I low carbed (left the crusts).

Mince pie and cinnamon roll for breakfast, sandwich lunch and then a hog roast roll, assorted cake and sweets plus mulled cider at the Christmas fete. Going out for dinner tomorrow night so I'll just take it easy tomorrow until then. I can see December is going to be hard so I'll just try to be sensible about it.

dingdongduckyfuzz Wed 04-Dec-13 21:01:36

Could do with joining you guys on the 36 hours LOF but am out for dinner tomorrow...will do it until then though, every little helps!

dingdongduckyfuzz Wed 04-Dec-13 21:02:58

Earslaps my FD is ending with wine and nuts, am just worn out and pmt-ish fsad

Talkinpeace Wed 04-Dec-13 21:03:44

DING DING DING DING

LIGHTBULB QUOTE

I can see December is going to be hard so I'll just try to be sensible about it.

there is no "falling off the wagon".
There is no "failing"
There is only being "sensible"
and knowing that in January the fasts get stricter

that is why this WOE will do everybody some good, even those who do not lose much weight, or have little more to lose

dingdongduckyfuzz Wed 04-Dec-13 21:07:14

TIP you are, as ever, absolutely right fgrin even though I've messed up today I don't mind because I can put it right tomorrow, the day after, next week... December will be tough but not impossible and not the end of the road

devoncreamtea Wed 04-Dec-13 21:14:47

Thanks for the advice Bssh and Jingly, I don't eat grains anyhow so difficult to over carb but best avoid sugar..well I say avoid...be aware of might be more do-able! Liquid fast seems out of my league for now, is that mainly health benefit? Wish I had your willpower Bssh - I am stubborn, but can talk myself in/out of everything, so it backfires...

BsshBossh Wed 04-Dec-13 21:33:41

Yep devon for me a 36 hour LOF is all about optimising the health benefits.

Well, we've not finished our dinner yet (Hotel Chocolat mince pie chocolates given to DH by his trainee still to be consumed) so I won't be breaking my fast (I hope) until 10am Friday morning.

Bring it on!

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Wed 04-Dec-13 21:37:44

I've felt very 'cleansed' after a LOF, Strangely light and empty, it really seems to reset my appetite. Now whether that's a true physical reading, or purely psychosomatic, it works for me.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 04-Dec-13 21:52:53

36 hours just on water, is it really doable and sensible?

BsshBossh Wed 04-Dec-13 22:05:25

It's doable and sensible for me as I've done it several times with no ill effect. It's just an extra 12 hours extra to what I've been doing since Feb this year and 7 of those hours I'll be sleeping smile

BsshBossh Wed 04-Dec-13 22:09:01

Toffee if I were you I'd try 24 hour LOF first... Even better, start with 20 hours or even less.

I started 5:2 and went straight into 24 hour LOF but that's because I was able to do it and felt fine.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Wed 04-Dec-13 22:12:09

I'll try anything once, if I get to 7pm tomorrow and need my soup, it's there in the fridge if I want.

I've got a meeting at 7.30 for 2 hours, so can drink black coffee and then like Bssh says, it's bedtime after that.

BsshBossh Wed 04-Dec-13 22:12:31

Right, another question for y'all: are you fasting during the festive season? I'm still doing 5:2 but am trying to work out which days as we'll have a house full of overnight guests for an entire week...

sweetiepie1979 Wed 04-Dec-13 22:14:28

Will you lose more weight if you do a liquid only? I'm all about the weight loss

BsshBossh Wed 04-Dec-13 22:17:12

Personally, no, but I've broken through small (eg 2-3 week) plateaus doing them (the 36 hour ones).

EarSlaps Wed 04-Dec-13 22:20:08

I don't think I'll do full fasts over Christmas as we're going away. I'll probably just skip a few breakfasts, have a few lighter options, cut back on carbs some meals and then attempt some LOFs in January if I have any extra weight to shift.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Wed 04-Dec-13 22:21:51

I'm planning 2 fast days of christmas week, monday 23rd and friday 27th then Tuesday 31st and thursday 2nd

We don't get to socialise as DD's autism makes that very stressful, so extra food and treats will all be home based anyway

somewherebecomingrain Wed 04-Dec-13 22:28:49

Hello! Marking place.

Think my appetite is shrinking - NSV. My mum and dad said I looked very slim and they are oblivious to such things. My waist measures under 30 inches.

Toffee I think anyone considering a zero cal LFD needs to be confident about 36 hr normal solid FDs, say first for 500 cals, then for 350 cals.

An alternative LFD or first step to a low cal LFD is with low carb shakes, which have moderate protein and fat, typically 140-150 cal.
So you can have up to 3 of them, plus a bit of milk in your coffees for a 500 cal LFD. They are fairly filling and don't raise insulin significantly.

in the interests of SWATH (Same Weight After The Holidays) I'm keeping up 5:2 over the hols.
However, I'll plan my FDs to avoid 25 or 31 Dec - I'm keen, not fanatical.
fsmile

Well done on your NSV, somewhere
fsmile

PoshPaula Wed 04-Dec-13 22:47:56

Lousy FD. For some reason I just found it really difficult today and it affected my mood, too. I was cold, miserable, and hungry. Ended up picking at rice cakes, bananas and drinking coffee so that I probably went over 500 cals anyway. And I've plateau-ed.

Anyone else ever find it heavy going?

sweetiepie1979 Wed 04-Dec-13 22:50:48

What's nsv I've forgotten. My fast day went well probably won't eat to
About 11/12 tomorrow
Which means I
Do 42/43 hour fasts is
That the same for others? It dosent seem
To
make
Any difference on the scales.

BsshBossh Wed 04-Dec-13 22:52:17

Posh I found the entire school summer holiday heavy going and didn't manage one single properly successful FD. Put on 4 lbs but they were gone after 2 successful FDs when school resumed in September.

PoshPaula Wed 04-Dec-13 22:54:48

You lost 4 pounds on two good fasts, Bssh? That's amazing. I'd so love that to happen!

sweetiepie1979 Wed 04-Dec-13 22:57:24

Poshpaula yes I find it tough today
I nearly gave
In a few times
You've got to not pick as someone reminded me upthread. I've got to only have one meal and I visualise the scales all the time on my fast day and know that I will be thrilled if I'm
Down a pound
Or two The next day. It makes me cold and really moody too. Don't
Be disheartened you at least ate healthy! Choose
Another day this week to fast if you feel you need to. You can have today s a mini fast which will have been very good for you too

PoshPaula Wed 04-Dec-13 22:59:57

Thanks sweetie and bssh I think picking at food was my undoing today. I will keep going. I've not come this far to give up now.

sweetiepie1979 Wed 04-Dec-13 23:01:21

Yes I've decided I need to do my fast dAya when dd2 ar nursery her two
Days she drives me to chocolate and booze and because she is refusing to wear any clothes at the moment we cannot get out so we
Spend
Our
Days
Baking cakes and cookies. That is too
Difficult on. Fast

BsshBossh Wed 04-Dec-13 23:06:55

Posh urgh, sorry, just reviewed my weightloss stats - lost the 4 lbs after four good FDs (so 2 weeks not 1).

rubbishfamily333 Wed 04-Dec-13 23:19:37

Evening all, I managed a fd today my first ever one on a Wednesday and it was fine grin but tomorrow I am planning on eating some of my mums left over chocolate birthday cake

And yes I am hoping to be fasting over the Christmas period also just working out what days are best!

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Wed 04-Dec-13 23:44:31

Finished my fast day intact.

3 coffees
1bouillon
Until 9:30 tonight. Then small apple, half mug of warm milk a 2 large sqs of 70% choc.

All in under 250.

Not quite liquid only but not bad. Won't eat until tmw afternoon earliest now as is norm for me, so two decent stints of fasting either side of those cals.

Still bloated though! Not sure I'll be braving the scales yet! Definitely got some 'unfinished business' due first fgrin

peplum41 Thu 05-Dec-13 04:35:32

Hello

Here's my stats:

5 ft 3 age 41, started 21 Feb 2013

SW 13 stone, hopelessly addicted to chocolate, drunk most nights. In denial. Heading towards middle age and a myriad of health problems.

Lost first stone in 6 weeks, has taken until now to lose second. Lots of stalling, bouncing, a touch of frustration. Have PCOS, which apparently makes losing weight hard.

However, my focus is health rather than fashion which is what inspires me to keep going. Some fasts are hard going, but most are pretty painless.

I don't drink much these days, and chocolate is a treat, not a necessity, I perhaps have one or two bars a week. Not giant ones!

Not one of the daily posters, I'm often a bit behind but always catch up, love your stories, jokes, hints and tips, links, etc. Could probably manage without you all but wouldnt enjoy it the same.

My advice to any starting out, go at your own pace and persevere.

I know this post is a bit boring and I haven't really touched the sausage theme, but hey its 4:30 am and I'm vegetarian.

peplum41 Thu 05-Dec-13 05:32:14

bsshbossh I thanked you for one of your posts on the 5:2 fast diet forum just to say hi! Always good to see a mumsnet crossover on there.

It was a good question though, what do you eat the day after a fast in order to prevent the kind of eating that un-does the good of a fast and ruins your deficit.

Eggs are popular, soup for lunch.

Thanks for sharing peplum - you have done amazing things for yourself with this WOE: booze and choc habits kicked and controlled. Losing 2 stone despite having pcos too. Wow, flowers for you for turning your life around.

Not2bObvious Thu 05-Dec-13 07:12:53

In the airport about to fly out for my work thing, this weeks WI a day early....11.1.6!!!! Delighted and encouraged to be good'ish for the next 36 hours. Have a great Thursday y'all

somewherebecomingrain Thu 05-Dec-13 07:16:04

Morning all.
Fasting today.

Everything lined up for a good one.

Low ish carb yesterday.

Dp has been prepped that I'm having an early night.

No stress today.

Going to try lof - ime they happen by themselves or not at all.

Good luck anyone else.

Sorry not to name check but have 2 small kids clambering over me.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Thu 05-Dec-13 08:03:49

peplum, I've seen you about before, perhaps on a shred or c25k thread?

I'm also a non-meat eater, although I do eat fish.

This is the only WOE that fits in with my chosen food, low carb for instance cuts out half my meal!

dingdongduckyfuzz Thu 05-Dec-13 08:20:29

Bit windy out there this morning! Better keep hopalong in the house or she'll blow over!

NFD today, not doing LOF despite good intentions last night. Really enjoying steady, sustainable weightloss that this WOE brings. Definitely a long term prospect. Not sure about my 5:2 plans over Christmas - will probably do 23rd then 27th or 28th, 30th and 2nd or 3rd Jan... But won't beat myself up over it and will aim to get more exercise than usual.

Good luck fasters today!

postmanpatsreindeer Thu 05-Dec-13 08:24:15

Morning all! Frosty here, not windy at all.

Hooray not2b!

somewhere good luck. I did LOF on Tuesday (mint tea only for 36 hours), dropped 2kg and was only up by 400g this morning. I've just eaten a Belgian bun for breakfast so you might guess I'm not fasting today!

I'm doing a mystery shopper at Domino's tonight so no point in fasting today fgrin

5:2 over Christmas - I normally do Monday with a mini fast on Thursday, so I may just switch to 6:1 for Christmas week and probably a proper 5:2 the week after (I'm a bit of a NYE bah humbug type anyway).

Papayasoup Thu 05-Dec-13 10:07:46

<pokes head round from behind closet door>

I’ve decided that on this shiny brand new thread 32 it was time for me to come out of the closet and make myself known. My name is Papayasoup and I am a 5:2er.

I’ve been following this WOE since Jan 2012 and started reading these threads in Feb if I recall correctly, somewhere between 12 and 15. So really it is time for me to contribute as well and Bsssh question on stats is as good a time as any!

Maybe first a little bit about myself, I’m 36 and live in Asia so read up on all the day’s antics when I get up in the morning, which sets up my F/NFD/16:8. 5:2 is virtually unknown here apart among a few expats but I’ve tended to keep it to myself in any case apart from DH and a few friends, who I bore to tears as I was quite evangelical after the 1st month. Like you’ve all said many times it has just been so easy! I found 5:2 after hearing MM being interviewed on BBC Breakfast over Christmas and it seemed like something I could do. I was nearly back at the heaviest I’d been after having successfully maintained (at a higher weight than today) for 6-7 years. It really had been a case of it creeping up and having spent the last 12 months losing and gaining the same 5lbs. My clothes were also all getting too tight and I was refusing to buy new ones having binned the size above 5 years previously.

I’ve picked up a huge amount of helpful information along the way from these threads such as leaving eating to as late as possible, 16:8, no snacking and finding easy ways of incorporating most bang for my buck exercise in my routine having done Shred on and off now for the last few months and I’ve joined the gym where I do a 30min circuit during my lunchbreak. The TDEE calculator was also a revelation as was inputting everything in MFP over the first few months and explained totally why the weight had been creeping up. Finally, all the recent talk of LOF has gotten me thinking, as I am a lunch and dinner faster (I’ve done 24h LOF only a handful of times).

Now for the stats – I’m continental European so think in m and kg but I’ve tried to convert accurately. Stones are beyond my comprehension though!
Height: 1m71, 5.6, medium build
SW post-Christmas and after falling face first in the turkey, chocolate back in the UK and just off the plane at home so maybe a bit of post-plane bloat going on: 69k, 152lbs – BMI 23.5.
GW 60-62kg, 132-136lbs. If I recall correctly I achieved that after about 3 months and maintained until the summer holidays where I went a bit lower beforehand to 58.5kg to allow for the inevitable upwards movement and to be able to enjoy croissants guilt-free. I came home from my 2-week holiday just shy of 132lbs, so was very happy with that but I did skip breakfast on a regular basis.
I think I then re-set my GW to 59kg, 130lbs as I realized sub-60kg, was possible
CW this morning I was 57.5, 126lbs but I’m trying to get ready for the new onslaught of Christmas fun (I’m aiming for SWATH with wiggle-room built in) and I was curious to see what I would look like if I edged closer to the lower normal BMI for my height. This is also post very good fast days and low cal NFD (unintentionally) so as the end of the week edges closer it’ll go back up. I’ve rather been maintaining around 58.5-59.5kg, 128-131lbs for the last 4 months.
My new GW is to finish weekends around 59kg – yes I am a daily weigher! I didn’t measure initially but I’ve definitely lost a lot more inches than I ever imagined I would. My dress size ranges by brand but I’ve definitely gone down 2 sizes with most brands but am a bit annoyingly between sizes at the moment.

I also started exercising during my summer holidays as I realized that in addition to fat loss I’d lost muscle as well. Whether I had before but had not noticed I’m not sure as I hadn’t really exercised in a few years (I used to be a regular at yoga and a once a week 5k runner prior to DD and a full-time job which led to me cutting out me-time). But in any case, things were a bit too far south and I wanted to try and heave it back north! So now my goal is really to decrease my fat % and increase my muscle mass. I go to the gym where they measure me once a month and it seems to be going in the right direction, albeit slowly but I don’t have the stats on hand.

Like many of you I try to be good during the week so that I can thoroughly enjoy my weekends. I am also mainly low GI during the week and definitely try to leave the bread to the weekend, as although I love it, it does not love me. Apart from this week I haven’t fully fasted over the last few months, partly due to lots of work travel but also being able to maintain without it. I do however do 16:8 nearly every day, except maybe sometimes at the weekend and do mini-fasts along the way. I usually have a light lunch on a work-day (soup or salad) and a normal dinner (with wine and desert a few times a week!). But again no snacks! One of the reasons I haven't fasted as much is that I did experience what I thought was a fair amount of hair loss when I was losing weight but it has proved temporary and now seems under control. But it had been enough for me to get worried about it. Apart from that I’ve felt great and the first few weeks was practically euphoric and definitely suffered from insomnia and very vivid dreams. I’ve definitely had more spring in my step. My appetite has reset itself but I’ve also noticed that as I fast less that it has expanded a bit as well but within reason. I’m still learning to stop eating when I am full!

Epic post over! A big thank you to all of you on the thread, you’ve had me chuckling to myself, nodding in agreement and learning loads. I love food (cooking and eating), so love it when the thread goes in that direction. I’ll try and post a bit more regularly but the time-zone difference does make it a bit harder but I’ll try and do my bit.

My FD is drawing to an end. I had a yoghurt this morning as I needed to take some tablets that I couldn’t take on an empty stomach and some chicken and veg planned for dinner. I don’t calorie count anymore so I’m probably somewhere between 5-700 for the day, which I am more than happy about. I had another FD on Monday, so that’s it for the week! Looking forward to the 3 NFD with the start of Christmas kicking in.

Papayasoup Thu 05-Dec-13 10:10:18

Sorry for long post but once I started I couldn't stop!

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 10:39:38

Welcome Papaya!

Hello Papaya! You started the same time as me (assuming you mean Jan this year). Good to hear your story and glad you've popped up to post. Do you do much Asian cooking? I'd love to hear about that if you do grin

Fast day here, woke up grumpy (had to apologise to the kids for grumbling at them unnecessarily!) and I think it's going to be a lunch only day for me as DH is doing the same by necessity so if I don't have to produce something later then I'm very happy.

I had to cycle against the wind today with a bike load of heavy groceries and it had me swearing as much as I do when I Jillian so I'm guessing that was rather a good workout! Good job as I've done no proper exercise beyond my general day to day activeness. The short days bring rather limited energy reserves for me and I don't seem to be able to muster up anything else.

However, I was thinking that I'm sure this time of year would normally bring weight gain for me and that is certainly not the case this year so I should be grateful for that. I'd like to think that this 4 days a week of zero booze and only tiny occasional forays into the sugar pot must be doing my general health some good.

Slightly despondent by the non-shifting scales (I know, I know, really shouldn't focus on that) so I took some measurements instead and I though they must be pretty good for a 9 stone 12 ish 5'5"er - 26.5" waist, 32" under bust, still slightly hefty round the widest bum/hip area 39.5" so it's fairly obvious where all my excess pounds are stored! It's more like 37 around where my hip bones are, which is a massive improvement and I know loads has shifted from there in the last few months by the feel of my hip bones.

Apologies for my self-obsessed post. I try not to do it too often fgrin Sometimes I wonder what all the weight is - I don't look 10 stone, I know it's not muscle and I'm a medium to small frame.

Eugh, sorry, boring - I really will stop now fwink

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 05-Dec-13 10:50:58

Thanks BsshBossh. I last ate at 8.30pm so so far I have gone 14 hours without anything and feel absolutely fine so far. I have been having chewing gum on fast days as I think it tricks my brain into thinking I have eaten and it helps me keep fasting.

I am not fasting Christmas Day or Boxing Day as I am cooking Dec 25th and then we are going to PIL on the 26th. I will enjoy whatever there is and try not to sulk that I no longer am able to eat for the sake of it.

BCF - I am totally confused by what you posted but I know it is me being thick and not you not explaining well as I am sure you are blush

Well done on your None Scale Victory somewhere.

Dotty342kids Thu 05-Dec-13 10:54:53

FD for me today. Making Moroccan slow cooked lamb for the family and I've got a vegetable chilli out of the freezer for myself. Yum.

Christmas fasting....... now there's a thought smile. I think I'll prob do Sun 22nd and then either Fri 27th or Sat 28th as got various social things going on the other days in that week. Unsurprisingly grin
Week after will prob do Mon and Thurs as normal as not particularly got any plans yet. Should def be ok to fit in two FD's somewhere.
Good to plan ahead!

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 10:54:55

Betsy a 26.5 in waist OMG envy.

not2 Woohoo! Have a good trip smile

I must have small internal organs bssh!

(Also, that made me feel better - thanks bssh, you know I'm totally envious of your exercise regime and amazing self control don't you? fgrin )

sweetiepie1979 Thu 05-Dec-13 11:11:21

Okay I'm trying to not let the scales ruin my day but I'm the same weight today as I was when I finished my veryggood all most fast mini fast on Monday. Healthy ish day on Tuesday a good fast yesterday with a 500 cal meal about 6ish. Did anybody else have slow weight loss at the beginning? I felt all light and fluffy yesterday and now I feel like a sack of potatoes. I really want to lose another 4/5 pounds by Xmas. Maybe it's because I'm 6 weeks postpartum could it be harder for me to
lose at this point? Any tips for me?

Papayasoup Thu 05-Dec-13 11:23:38

Thank for the welcome!

Betsy no I don't cook much Asian food. Not a huge fan of Cantonese which is local cuisine but we have great Thai restaurants I enjoy eating out in!

Well done on the cycling in the wind.

Baloostika Thu 05-Dec-13 11:59:57

After the bridal shower last night I think am ready for a LOF for 40 hrs. I feel really hungry right now but I will manage. No food till 11-12 Friday.

Dotty342kids Thu 05-Dec-13 12:17:39

Betsy, that is a teeny tiny waist! I'm only 8-9lbs more than you but a good 10 inches more on the waist. Though I'm an apple shape so store it all on my middle. Not great from the health point of view.

sweetiepie at only six weeks post partum your body is still trying to settle and sort itself out, please don't worry too much about losing weight. I'm sure that as your body returns to normal and if you keep up the good eating habits, it'll all start to come off smile

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 12:22:29

Goodness sweetie I keep forgeting you're only 6 weeks post partum. Your body will still be a raging mass of hormonal and water fluctuations. I wouldn't stress about your weight right now. Take it easy...

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 05-Dec-13 12:31:01

I agree, sweetie. 6 weeks after having a baby is much too soon to be worrying about losing weight! You just grew a whole new person, you should be taking it easy.

somewherebecomingrain Thu 05-Dec-13 12:39:41

sweetie you are hardcore! I waited until ... Gosh ... 8 weeks or something. Just trust it and give it time. I must say it's been terribly slow for me - I'm one of the slowest on here - but to lose a stone and keep it off over 5 months (deliberately) is something I've never done before. Don't compare yourself, or at least don't think it's not working just cause you are going a bit slower.

Am on my LOF. Won't fight it if it gets too hard. Have frittata ingredients if needed. Thanks for encouragement postman. Will go with it if it seems possible,

So far I've had 3 milky coffees, a baby corn snack (like a single wotsit) and a miso. Obviously the corn snack not good but I'm trying to put it behind me.blush

I had a burst of energy and just got lots of stuff done and that has improved my mood no end (was feeling a bit mis). The bursts if energy are a marvel of this woe.

How is everyone else getting on? Not that you need encouraging to speak up!

biscuitbiscuitbiscuitbiscuitbiscuitbiscuit tomorrow.

somewherebecomingrain Thu 05-Dec-13 12:44:04

Just checked sweetie I started exactly 2 months after the birth.

postmanpatsreindeer Thu 05-Dec-13 12:57:18

Welcome papaya sounds like 5:2 is right up your street!

sweetie don't be so hard on yourself thanks

betsy my waist is that size and I'm 5ft 4 and 8st 2 so yours is definitely tiny!

somewhere what's a corn puff between friends?

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 13:02:38

FD check-in. LOF going well so far. No hunger (physical or mental) pangs so far. Lots of water and rosehip tea, a couple of black coffees. Like you somewhere I have a light soup planned for tonight if needed.

MFD check in here. Going well. I keep thinking you're all nuts with this LOF stuff but then I suppose I do that for 24hrs anyway so not so nuts maybe fgrin. I am about to lose a load of pre-christmas weight - off to get my hair cut (first party tomorrow). Haven't had it done since my wedding day so I have a few inches to have lopped off and I have sooooooo much hair. Reckon I may lose a good 3lbs (ok, not really but I'm getting my eyebrows done too so that may help as well fwink)

EarSlaps Thu 05-Dec-13 13:36:05

Sweetie- I waited until 11 months before I started trying to lose weight! I agree that six weeks is too soon. Please just focus on healthy eating (and not mainlining cake) to let your body recover a bit first. You could start some gentle exercise too if your doctor okays it, just brisk walks to start with.

Betsy- we are very different shapes! I am 28in waist and just over 29in under bust, so very straight up and down. Hips are just under 36in, and waist and hips have shrunk about the same amount since I started this- just over 3in off both measurements and roughly the same off my boobs. I can't imagine having such a tiny waist, I'd imagine it can be tough for shopping. Whilst I find they dig in if trousers fit elsewhere you must have a huge gap round the waist.

Welcome papaya, bet you feel like you know us all already, yet you still wanted to join in!

EarSlaps Thu 05-Dec-13 13:40:56

Oh, and not sure if any of you can help out with terrible toddler sleep/potential night terrors here. Feeling pretty dead on my feet and emotionally drained with all the tantrums and screaming rage. It's a bloody miracle I manage not to just stuff my face with junk all day I'm so tired. It's only because I'm too bloody stubborn to put the weight on again (and I know the exercise gives me more energy).

Dotty342kids Thu 05-Dec-13 13:42:21

I demand photos of all 5:2er's in their festive finery grin
and if I ever work out how to put a photo on here, I might do the same smile

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 05-Dec-13 14:10:17

Eatriskier - weight before and after your hair cut! grin

I am 17.5 hours into my 36 hour fast and it is going okay. Dinner with nothing to eat while DH is eating will be a test but we shall see how we go.

Just about to do a food order, why do we do this to ourselves when we are fasting?!!?

I am so cold. Every time I have to wash my hands I am keeping them in the hot water as long as I can and then putting loads of hand cream on as they are drying out and should give a layer of protection.

Papayasoup Thu 05-Dec-13 14:11:01

FD over here. Reckon I came in at about 6-700 was even better 5min ago before I snaffled a mini waffle. We have gotten ready for St Nicholas's visit here (patron saint of children a bit like Father Christmas) and left him out a treat. Well someone had to eat it! Oops.

Good luck everyone with rest of the FD.

Ears laps can't help you but feel your pain. I have a terrible sleeper and have felt at times weeks would go by without decent sleep. And that was without the trauma I night terrors.

I might have to get the tape measure out but Betsy your waist is tiny!

Night all, look forward to catching up in the morning

Dotty342kids Thu 05-Dec-13 14:17:33

Just had stressful work news that hoped for job regarding (more pay) hasn't happened. As I've been doing temporary extra hours that means when I go back to normal hours in Jan I'll, in effect, have a cut in pay.
Am sooooooo f****d off!
Now I really want to eat angry

Dotty342kids Thu 05-Dec-13 14:17:51

Job regarding that should have said!

Dotty342kids Thu 05-Dec-13 14:18:05

aargh! Regrading!

sweetiepie1979 Thu 05-Dec-13 14:19:47

I know I know I'm expecting a lot if myself but it helps me feel better about myself and will ward off pnd if I'm losing. When something awful or wonderful is happening in my life I immediately thunk of my weight and that defines how I handle the situation. Someone close to me died once and my first thought was thank God I'm slim at the moment it means I can cope with this. When something really good happens it is tainted if Ifeel overweight. I cannot hit January feeling outing control with eating and feeling like I've not done my best to get fit and healthy.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Thu 05-Dec-13 14:36:47

Same time as me, Toffee, I'm doing fine too.

When the family are eating, keep busy by going for a lovely bath?

Papayasoup Thu 05-Dec-13 14:55:15

Dotty sorry to hear about the bad news at work.

somewherebecomingrain Thu 05-Dec-13 14:57:19

dotty commiserations. I could say don't let it spoil the FD but it's not that easy.

My dp has got all stressed out and wants me to do paperwork this eve. So there goes my stress free float into bed.

My bust is 32 round the ribs

My waist is just a smudge under 30 inches in the morning, sucking it in, pulling the tape measure firmly (but not tight). It's how I've always done it. Down from 34 inches.

Hips a wierd 37 inches.

I am too heavy.

Xxx

somewherebecomingrain Thu 05-Dec-13 14:57:48

Top heavy I mean

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Thu 05-Dec-13 15:03:27

Marking place. Trying to be brave about getting on the wagon here but it really feels like the wrong time of year confused

Baloostika Thu 05-Dec-13 15:08:09

OMG! I am soooooooooo hungry and feeling kinda weak. It's just my mind I know but....
Will this 40 hrs LOF work. I want to eatttt, Lolzzzz.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Thu 05-Dec-13 15:32:54

Liney is that you with a sparkling christmas name?

Baloo you shouldn't be feeling weak my lovely, perhaps you need a hot drink, or at least some more water

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 15:49:24

Oh no Dotty sad.

Dotty342kids Thu 05-Dec-13 15:54:03

Thanks for kind words all. I signed out of work (I work from home) and went and sulked in the bath for an hour grin. Better than heading into the kitchen cupboards.

Only a few more hours to go!

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 15:59:53

Just think of that lovely veg chilli in a few hours Dotty. Not long now smile

Oh hugs ((( dotty ))) sad Well done for not foraging as a result though - I'd call that a NSV!

I like the measurement comparisons - quite interesting how varied we all are! Sort of pointless how standardised clothes measurements are isn't it? They can't really fit anyone properly. Earslaps yes, trousers are a nightmare really - I've found only Sainsbury's trousers do the job as long as they got a bit of stretch in them for my thighs, and then I need a belt as well to avoid the gape! Snug jumper dresses and leggings always work though fgrin

Am hungry today. Will start mainlining hot drinks now I'm home and can go to the toilet whenever I want (yeah, I know how to live fhmm )

Dotty342kids Thu 05-Dec-13 16:46:44

Thanks Bssh and Betsy, yes feel pleased that I did that smile
Just got to survive a quick dash to Morrisons first.......... eek.

HardOutHereForATitch Thu 05-Dec-13 17:17:02

Hello all!

I'd like to introduce myself and say hi, have been reading MN for years but never really posted before (don't have children yet)

The 5:2 WOE is something that really interests me because it's not faddy and not too restrictive overall. I react badly to failure so when I've tried to lose a few lbs before I have binged badly when I 'fail' at the diet.

Height 5'1.5 (the .5 is VERY important smile )
Start weight 120lbs
Current weight 120lbs
Goal weight 106lbs (for my height this is a healthy BMI of 20)

I'm aware I'm already a healthy weight but I don't feel comfortable in my skin, I started my own business with my DP after leaving a very stressful work environment 2 years ago and have put on over a stone in that time that just won't shift. None of my jeans fit me and I can't afford to buy new ones! I'm extremely small framed - tiny wrists and ankles - and at my current weight I feel sluggish and look chubby.

I'm apple shaped and most of my weight goes on my middle - hence the jeans not fastening anymore. I'd really love to join you guys and try 5:2 out. Anyway, enough from me, off to go read the inspirational 5:2 thread! Out of interest, what days do you fast?

Hope you are all hanging on and not blown away by the winds!

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 17:20:52

Welcome Hard! I fast Mondays and Thursdays. When are you thinking of starting?

HardOutHereForATitch Thu 05-Dec-13 17:27:54

Thanks Bssh!

I'm thinking probably Saturday and Wednesday as I have an odd working week and Mon/Tues are my 'weekend'! Going to start this Sat. I see a lot of posters here do LOF instead of >500 cals, and I'll probably do the same, I don't have a huge appetite, just cravings for anything sweet, carby or fatty. I'm best off avoiding altogether I think.

somewherebecomingrain Thu 05-Dec-13 17:51:43

Ok another corn weaning thing and about an eighth of an avocado. And lots of milky coffee. Can't say what the cals are and its not quite a lof but it's way under 500.

It's all about what happens next. So close to the finish line! Potentially the best fd in ages. Hasn't been hard really. It all hangs on my dp and how many demands he puts on me (in his lovely way) when he gets in.

Baloostika Thu 05-Dec-13 17:55:05

Thank u Bennetgirl.
I feel better now actually after 2 coffees nd water.
It was sweet of u to call me Baloo, that's what my friends call me, they named me after Baloo the Bear of Jungle Book cos I was soooooooooo fat or huge, whatever. U are my friend now and everyone on here.
Hows everyone doing?

Baloostika Thu 05-Dec-13 18:03:04

Hard, u are welcome. I mostLy do 4:3 and that's Monday, Wednesday and Friday. This thread is awesome, warm and nice people who make u feel like you've kin them all your life.

Baloostika Thu 05-Dec-13 18:03:53

Known them I mean.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 05-Dec-13 19:00:19

Sorry about the money stuff Dotty but well done for not stuffing your face. You would only have hurt yourself and not gained from it.

I have fasted all day except for when I was half an hour behind and trying to make an emergency packed tea and licked the spoon without thinking which had a tiny amount of tuna and mayo on it. Please tell me it will still count as I really think I can do this and not eat until 8.30 tomorrow morning. I really want to be down this week.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Thu 05-Dec-13 19:01:06

I didn't know that about your childhood name, that's not very complimentary sad
I merely shortened your user name - but should I call you stika as there are no hefty or animal references there?

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Thu 05-Dec-13 19:04:53

Toffee I don't think that counts :-D

Hope not as I absent-mindedly had a chip off DD's plate just now :-O

I'm sure Bssh said before as long as it's under 50cals it's a true fast

Well done though, I'm feeling very light and empty now. And already planning tomorrow's dinner :-D

rubbishfamily333 Thu 05-Dec-13 19:22:35

hey everyone, well I did my two fast days monday and wednesday this week and tbh I'm abit disappointed fsad last friday after two fast days I was 10.2.6 and today after two fast days I'm 10.2.2 so I have only lost 0.4 of a pound.

Its making me abit fed up. I will try to fast again tomorrow. I'm thinking I will need to add in some exercise but I really don't feel like much of that will happen until after xmas.

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 19:40:26

Not me who said that about under 50 cals but Toffee I doubt a bit of spoon licking would have broken your LOF smile I'm going to persevere with today's 36 hr LOF (as I'm stubborn like that!) but it's so damn cold I'm finding it really hard. From next week I'll revert to my usual 24 hr LOFs - in winter I like having a warm bowl of soup or dahl or veg stirfry to look forward to at the end of a FD.

How are all you other FDers (LOFs or not) doing today.

DH wants fish n' chips tomorrow from the chippy and inevitably he'll bring back some yummy dessert. My mum's back from holiday so I'll be lunching out with her tomorrow too. After today's complete LOF I am so ready for a Friday NFD!

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 19:51:51

rubbish if I remember your stats correctly you're now around BMI 25. Weight loss is generally slow for most people once you get into the healthy BMI band. These days I'm happy even seeing 0.2 lb of a loss. Keep going. So long as you're satisfied your not overeating (on balance across the week) on your NFDs then keep going. Could you add 30 mins or more walking to your daily routine?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 05-Dec-13 19:54:34

Glad it doesn't count. I feel fine at having had no food all day shock.

I intend to have a lovely breakfast though have to go shopping after dropping the kids at school so not sure when I will get to eat.

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 20:00:17

Toffee can you treat yourself to breakfast out?

somewherebecomingrain Thu 05-Dec-13 20:04:49

rubbish my experience is that weight loss is very uneven. You might have lost fat and be slimmer but weigh more because of water retention, also I think the body holds on to fat somehow until some kind of perfect conditions are met metabolically. See last thread for my grand theory,

The result as betsey says is that you bounce up and down for ages around a frustrating set point, then suddenly lose several pounds very quickly, almost overnight.

I remember thinking 'will I see the 11s EVER?' Then .'will I ever get under 11 and a half? Is that it?'. Now I'm 11 stone and eying up the 10s. It happened last week, but I've bounced up again. On past experience I will get there.

Anyway I did it. Sort of LOF - just the baby snacks and avocado, no meal.

Not too bad a day at all. Not cross, perfectly productive, a bit cold, not too badly hungry. Energetic. And that's almost better than being slim.

Back to real life tomorrow. Have bought lots of eggs. Need to low carb and not frenzy.

'Twas me ! I said about sub-50 cal FD counting as zero. I read this on Leangains: Martin Berkhan says this would make no difference to blood sugar, so count as a zero-cal FD, no difference if LFD or solid FD (SFD?)

ooh, got to dash under shower, before my hair turns green:
I am adding a slight tint before Xmas parties start and I'm 10 mins over !

somewherebecomingrain Thu 05-Dec-13 20:07:17

toffee that's what happened to me. Just fell into my mouth. Your deviation from LOF is nothing compared to mine.

Xx

rubbishfamily333 Thu 05-Dec-13 20:11:20

Bssh - I have just calculated my bmi it is 26.1 - I did over eat on the weekend. fasted monday then tuesday I was around 350 cals over then fasted yesterday.

Do you think I need to fast three days per week?

Talkinpeace Thu 05-Dec-13 20:20:03

rubbishfamily
you need to give yourself a SERIOUS brake on this scales thing
0.4 of a pound is less than half a wee
it can be whether your bladder is filling or emptying, let alone a poo
Put the scales away
Choose a piece of clothing with a fixed waistband that you can just do up and use that as your guide until after Christmas.

I do not own a set of scales.
Nor do many of my skinny gym friends.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 05-Dec-13 20:22:52

BsshBossh - I am not one for sitting in a café but I will treat myself to something but I can see me just rushing around doing the shopping and then eating when I get in. I might do that but buy something nice to have at home. This week I have been having a tomato and herb bagel with feta and beetroot but have only beetroot left now.

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 20:39:07

rubbish no I'd stick to 5:2 and be patient. Hard, I know, but this WOE is for life and it needs to be sustainable - I love food too much to fast three days a week and I'd probably fall off the wagon. But that's just me.

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 20:40:21

And remember I am queen of the weight plateau (4 months last year!). So I take slow or no weightloss in my stride these days. Eventually the weight comes off.

Mmm, Toffee That bagel sounds absolutely yum.
<Drooling Email to self: try adding beetroot to next sprouted bread tea>

Rubbish dump your scales in the bottom of your wardrobe until at least January. Monitor how your tightest jeans feel on waist, bum, thighs.
You are currently just weighing your dumps and wees.

Green hair update: no it isn't, but I am now wearing a really green face mask, the same type that scared my neighbour when she last popped round - I haven't seen her since
hmm
I have remembered not to go naturist, so I have sweatpants on. I only need a couple of postage stamps to cover my upper bits !
fgrin

Cuckoo, Betsy, all other NNDers: We can have it tomorrow afternoon!
I think that having at least 4 sweet-junk-free days per week may be as important as alcohol-free days.

MrsFlorrick Thu 05-Dec-13 20:53:38

Rubbishfamily.
I have had massive long stalls during 5:2 for various reasons.

I started 5:2 in the healthy BMI range so loss was always going to be slow.

First month saw excellent losses. Second month a complete stall but I went down a dress size! grin
A small consistent loss after that and I have just had a month long stall due to eating over TDEE on non fast days. Own fault at home with chicken poxy DC etc so fell into quite a lot of naughty food and wine to compensate.

Still though no gain.

I now have 6lbs to lose to goal BMI 21.

Need to get on with it grin or at least be there to offset some of the Xmas food I will soon be eating.

I weigh daily. Not because I obsess over elusive losses but to stop me overeating on non fast days. It helps me that way. And also I find it motivating even when I see a small loss. It helps me think twice when I am eyeing up biscuits etc.

However if you weigh daily looking for constant losses, it won't help
Motivate you.

Weightloss isn't linear. Lots of non food things affect weight and weight loss. Hormones and exercise are probably the biggest.

If you did want to give you fast days extra oomph without doing liquid fasts, you could low carb.

I experimented with carb cycling. As in a day or two low carb and then "normal" carb. Both on FDs and non FDs.

It works really well. It can be hard to think about both fasting and low carb but there are ways of making it easier.

Ie on your lower carb days, avoid all bread, pasta, rice, flour sugar chocolate. And eat simple things like a big salad with chicken/steak/fish grilled, pan fried oven roast.

Avoid supermarket soups for a low carb day. Tend to have high carb veg in them. Make your own broth instead.

That can help if you fancy it.

Just to be clear I am not advocating a full on low carb thing here. Just one or two low carb days a week. It can help the body burn fat.

rubbishfamily333 Thu 05-Dec-13 21:28:13

Thank you all for the tips

MrsF no weightloss for a month but you went down a dress size? Were you exercising alot?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Thu 05-Dec-13 21:30:00

BsshBossh - I feel daft for moaning about my 3 week plateau now blush

Currently have a headache. Is that due to no food since 8.30pm last night?

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Thu 05-Dec-13 21:40:17

I knew I'd read the 50cals thing here somewhere, thank you BigChoc!

Apart from the oven chip earlier, I'm still on track for 36hrs LOF. Am hungry now, but will have more water and have to get up at 3 for a wee and look forward to a real breakfast in the morning

MrsFlorrick Thu 05-Dec-13 21:58:12

Rubbishfamily. I have been doing Jillian Michaels workouts. But I was doing the same amount of exercise through out 5:2 and I was doing JM from April this year.

Working out obv helps firm things up but not necessarily what helps me lose weight or drop dress sizes.

Talkinpeace Thu 05-Dec-13 22:06:54

Toned muscle is definitely "narrower" than untoned.
Was waiting to check the gym scales today and a newcomer was on them. Se was noticably bigger than me but only weighed a few pounds more ...
abs of concrete are definitely smaller than the wobblier variety grin

Not2bObvious Thu 05-Dec-13 22:23:54

Tried posting this earlier - stupid wifi
Just spent an enjoyable 20 mins reading through the thread, my you lot have been busy , I was page 3 this morning (oh er Matron, my first/last time as a page 3 girlfwink)
Cause it's hard to scroll up/down, going to work from memory and try get initial if not name! P lady in Asia, loved reading your story, get so encouraged when of hear long haulers still at the WOL and suceeding.
Dotty v sorry on the money issue, at least you're not flushing ££'s down the drain on a slimming club! And super well done on dealing with anger with aqua therapy. You just dealt with a major opp to self sabotage and you drowned it!
Sweetie pet, I hear you, I know people say losing weight won't make you happy and I know it's true but like you when I feel in control of my weight, I just feel more in control. I did gently try to question on the last thread were you a little early after baba to do this, ultimately it's your choice but please remember this is a tough time for you body/head wise and pnd or no pnd, there'll always be a lot of emotions/hormones flying about. Put the scales away, pick something a little snug and use that as your measure if you really want to keep at it. I'd give anything to be where you are now with the presence of mind to know, this is such a small window of time with baby, and to relish it. I saw a little one about your baby's age yesterday and I wanted to scoop it up and nibble it's cheeks. Ahem, best make sure I keep taking my pill, think mother natures on the prowl fgrin

MrsFlorrick Thu 05-Dec-13 22:24:32

Tip gringrin

Sadly I don't have abs of concrete. Working on it though.

annielewis Thu 05-Dec-13 22:47:42

Hi everyone - possible TMI alert.....just wondering if any of you have found that you have had weird monthly periods since you started this WOE?

BsshBossh Thu 05-Dec-13 22:54:21

I know my 36 hours won't be over until 10am tomorrow but as I'm now retiring to bed to watch the amazing Mandela tributes sleep I doubt I'll be eating. So let me declare my first 36 hour LOF since May an outright success - only herb tea, black coffee and water passed my lips. G'night all.

Tip In case your overweight sparring partner claims it is healthier to be slightly overweight ( I know you like boxing her ears)
fgrin
I remembered this interesting article in Nature analysing the apparent paradox of slightly overweight people living longer than those within recommended BMI range. It analyses why and has this very informative curve of age and best BMI:
www.nature.com/news/the-big-fat-truth-1.13039#/obesity

Young adults should aim more for lower BMI, maybe because weight usually increases with age not with 5:2.
In contrast, middle-aged and elderly might be better off slightly above BMI 25, but not obese.

Dotty Shame you didn't receive your regrading. Never good to hear one's income will drop, especially at this time of year
fsad ((Dotty))

Well done for not Frenzying. At least 5:2 generally lowers food & drink bills.

BreadandWine If you are doing a vegan lurk:

Amazon just delivered my Ezekiel sprouted fettucine, which their blurb says is a mix of 6 sprouted grains & legumes, producing a complete protein with similar levels of protein to eggs and milk.

Important for a lazy, dangerous hungry cook like me, it only takes 4½ mins to cook.

I also recvd Annie Chun's ready meal of sprouted brown sticky rice.

I'll try one or both at the weekend, plus your vegan choc muffin in a mug.

My life is really sprouting at the moment.
fsmile

ChocolatePudding Thu 05-Dec-13 23:22:37

Hi everyone. Been so busy that I've not been able to keep up with you all. Can't believe you are on page 7 of new thread already. I think I left you in the early 30s of last thread!

Well I've had a mamouth catch up on all your chatter. Like many of you the bugs have been circling our household. A treatment of antibiotics seems to be recovering my energy levels and chest pains have gone which is such a relief as I feared it was the 5:2 making me feel lethargic and tetchy.

I haven't worked out how to name change correctly. I like the idea of a festive name change and I do so enjoy a pudding or two or three of most sorts (usually chocolate variety but had to develop a taste for non chocolate puds the year I gave up chocolate and succeeded for 10 whole months!!) so will have a go at it later.

Well done on all those fab NSVs and SVs. Very motivating for others to see this WOE working.

My stats as per Bssh request:

Height 5ft 8
SW 161lb (highest ever non preg weight and just inside norm BMI)
CW 147lb
GW 139lb

So excited to be back to 10st 7. I was here sometime before the summer holidays but then like others I really struggled over the holidays and didn't manage a single fast. I also lost track of these threads back then and that was probably what killed my motivation. Hence the importance of me catching up with you lot again even though I've not been able to keep up well over the last few weeks. It's great you r all still here for me to tap into.

Did my first LOF on tues and found it easier than expected. Aim to do 2 mini fast this week on Fri and Sat instead of doing another full FD. It seemed to work well for me last week and I'm used to avoiding food all day. Makes my life much simpler as not constantly cooking and having to clean up again. Kitchen is so much cleaner and tidier on days kids are in school (another NSV?)

Time to catch up on my beauty sleep.

Papayasoup Thu 05-Dec-13 23:44:24

rubbish I know it is hard but keep at it and the weight will come off. There are weeks like that and then the next you see a loss

dotty what a NSV!

Well done on all the LOFers, you guys have done great!

annie I've actually found the opposite but I am borderline PCOS and as I try to eat lower GI it helps me be a lot more regular. This is actually one of the improvements I've really noticed this year.

bigchoc am intruiged about the sprouted bread but don't think I've ever seen them here. Will need to look out for them

I weighed in this morning at 57kg which is my lowest ever, and I mean ever. I had a good look in the mirror and I feel slim and definitely not gaunt (DH agrees) but toning is required as I still have a bit of a tum and my backside could do with a lift. That'll continue to be my focus into next year and continuing with fasting of course! I tried to find the tape measure but of course couldn't but it was 6am so probably not at my most focused.

And now I am focusing on the start of my NFD. Supposed to have lunch with a friend and no doubt something naughty tonight!

Happy Friday!

ChocPud Welcome back, cousin.
To name change:
.Go to the MyMumsnet pulldown menu
. Select MyAccount
. In the field Username, replace your current name with your desired new Christmas handle.

Oh, you will need to enter your password in the Password field before you can click saveChanges

sweetiepie1979 Fri 06-Dec-13 00:47:54

Thanks everyone for your suport regarding New baby and me thinking about losing weight and I know your all right. And she is so gorgeous nottobeobvious your right it is a precious ttime. Dh says I'm being too hard or myself too. Anyway some friends took me outbox dinner tonight and I think i drank a bottle. Of proseco and had duck for dinner. So you see I'm pretty good to myself too! bssh your so lovely x

peplum41 Fri 06-Dec-13 00:57:51

Hi
Just wanted to say hi to papaya and hardtitch . Can't believe how long you've been lurking pap.

annielewis yeah my periods seem more frequent past 8 weeks I've had 3 periods, and judging by spot on chin another is looming. Keeping an eye for now. What's to do with yours?

Comiz dotty. Hope it didn't ruin your evening resolve.

bennettgirl you probs just know me from here. Sadly not a c25ker yet but that could be a ny resolution. What was your name beforehand? I never did get to the bottom of that.

somewhere the tens are so close for me too! Plus I'm flopping about in size 16 rather than looking too big for 14. At least it keeps me out of the clothes shops.

Fast day Fri, plus minifast Sat, but followed by a meal at friends so not punitive.

Have a great weekend y'all. X

Thanks BCF. All sorted. Just trying to get back to sleep after massive overhaul of DS1's bed sheets, duvet, pillow and carpets. Yes that's right. Another one with the sickness bug.

Rushed off then to another round of vomiting. This is going to be long night. And thanks for the welcome back.

Tomorrow will be a FD for me. Good job as will have nostrils full of sick which is enough to put anyone off food. Apologies to anyone eating breakfast whilst reading this!

Not2bObvious Fri 06-Dec-13 06:11:28

Good girl Sweetie, hope you had a lovely night and really enjoyed it.
Well despite my great intentions, I reckon I knocked up 3000 cals yesterday - just a little reminder of how easily it can be done when faced with too much food and a non mindful state! My saving grace was I snuck off to bed after 2 glasses of wine so no excessive alcohol cals not any hangover. Would love some sort of workout but not sure if the gear I have with me could be adapted to wear in the gym. Failing that I could attempt a brisk walk aftr breakfast, if I chose the have breakfast that is.
Bssh it was only late last night I heard about Mandela, so weird when you're in a bubble environment(locked in a meeting room) and history is happening outside your door, rest his soul.

Not2bObvious Fri 06-Dec-13 06:18:16

ChristmasPud my heart goes out to you! I really hope you got a few hours after the last clean up on aisle 6fsad
Had it in my house 2 weeks ago, some comfort was it did only go 24 hours for my pair, they tag teamed it which was strangely helpful! You'll have to do better to put me off my brekkie.
Mindful considered and careful eating for today. Mfp recalculated my goals, which is exciting, never did that before so I'm down 70 cals a day since I input my latest lowest weight. So I will enjoy my food but I'm not eating to excess. Wish me luck!

dingdongduckyfuzz Fri 06-Dec-13 06:24:19

Oh my goodness how quickly this thread moves! Hoping to be off work this morning due to the place I'm meant to be at being evacuated yesterday as a result of coastal surge... Fingers crossed!

NFD yesterday and out for supper with friends, ate just what I wanted and came in under 2000 cals for the day (having saved my cals for the meal!)

Now will catch up with you lot...

Baloostika Fri 06-Dec-13 07:06:34

Good morning all.
Just a few hours to the end of our 36 hrs LOF.
Had 2 black coffee, a little milk, a mug of tea and plenty of water.
Bssh, Toffee and other LOFers, how are u guys keeping up?
Have a wonderful weekend y'all.

peplum41 Fri 06-Dec-13 07:20:07

Well done baloo, what you going to have for Brekkie?

Oh dear xmaspud6 , sounds like you will be fasting the hard way this weekend if that bug is catching.

BsshBossh Fri 06-Dec-13 07:22:33

Friday weigh-in today and 1.4 lbs down (pleasantly surprised by this as it's TOM week for me). I'm officially in the 120s (just... 129.8 lbs!).

Still 3 hours to go until my 36 hour LOF is over but no food has passed my lips.

minifingers Fri 06-Dec-13 07:44:50

Can someone talk to me about what happens period wise in relation to fasting? My periods are usually 3 days like Niagara Falls followed by 3 lighter days, leaving me pale and wan. I want to continue to fast throughout (2 fast days) but I'm wondering if it's wise?

Morning everyone. Had some very interrupted sleep. Other 2 kids were woken up and started demanding milk, water and general attention too. Then DD decided to wake me early for breakfast and refused to go quietly back to her room.

We seem to be an unusual household. Most families have been having this bug one after the other but DS2 had it nearly 4 weeks ago, I had it two weeks ago and now DS1 has it. We must be catching it from school and not from each other. V bizarre. Just DD to go, though she was off school this week for another virus with high temp and cold symptoms. Urgh. Really messes up my work when this happens but that's life for all of us here. At least I am forced to remain at home and will get a few bits done.

Well done Baloo on 36 hours. Its easier than you think as you can always get an early night which helps the final few hours fly by.

And well done Duckyfuzz. I rarely stay within my TDEE but that will be why my weight loss is very slow. But then I am more interested in NOT gaining weight than being in a rush to get to goal. This allows me to scoff pouch bag sizes of giant buttons all to myself without the guilt. NSV this is improvement to the volume I scoffed before (4 packs of chocolate bars or 2 pouches a day when they were on offer at £1 a day!!). But it's never a problem on FDs.

Well done Bssh on your SV.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Fri 06-Dec-13 08:48:32

Gah!

Can I have a 34hrs LOF victory please?

DH made me a lovely coffee with sugar and milk and I was half way through it before I remembered I had 2hrs to go <harrumph>

But. . . That was really easy, hunger pains (whilst not pleasant and I don't relish them) are now pangs.

I needed a grip wrt appetite and eating, and I think I've found it!

rubbishfamily333 Fri 06-Dec-13 09:01:16

Bssh - very jealous envyenvy well done grin

Not2bObvious Fri 06-Dec-13 09:17:15

Delighted for you Bssh that's an excellent start to the weekend! You must be thrilled.
Did a 1 hour brisk walk interspersed with a couple of wanders through early opening shops, reckon I burned off a portion of my 300 cal brekkie. Now for the 'fun' part of my work thing...sigh

peplum41 Fri 06-Dec-13 09:25:07

High five bennettgirl half way through a cup of milky sweet coffee is prob still a lof technically! Will just make those last two hrs harder.

Well done bssh. Feel inspired to try another today myself.

Off to bed to push through desire for breakfast, having just finished night shift.

peplum41 Fri 06-Dec-13 09:38:21

Well done bssh and bennettgirl! Feel inspired to try again myself. It does seem to make your appetite smaller.

minifingers, make sure you are eating a nutritious diet all month long, good iron and vitamin intake to help your body cope with the gushier days. Ultimately, fasting will not effect you if you're in good health generally. Certain times of the month can make fasts harder though, I seem to feel hungrier when due on.

peplum41 Fri 06-Dec-13 09:40:07

What happened there? Thought that first post had disappeared .

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Fri 06-Dec-13 09:45:59

Thanks for both posts, peplum :-D

BsshBossh Fri 06-Dec-13 10:16:46

BennetGirl snap! I too caved in at 34 hours with a milky coffee (and a bowl of muesli with milk). Heavenly! But no snacking for me so that's it until lunch. Anyway, 3 NFDs now including a big 70th birthday bash on Sunday. I can eat and enjoy with absolutely no guilt.

BigChoc thanks so much for that Nature link. The Weight Watching chart was a tiny bit concerning for me as it suggested that, as I'm in my 40s now, I should settle at an optimum BMI of 22 and, in my 50s at 23. This is fine of course but it makes me wonder whether it's worth now aiming for 20/21 BMI; whether I should stop losing weight now as I'm 22 BMI. What do you think?

Baloostika Fri 06-Dec-13 10:17:37

Thanks Peplum. I will begin wit a cup of milky coffee followed btw fried yams and omelet.
My 37.5 LOF is officially over.

BsshBossh Fri 06-Dec-13 10:19:47

Just re-read my "concerns" ref Weight Watching chart. I think I'm splitting hairs grin. Ignore me everyone.

MrsFlorrick Fri 06-Dec-13 10:29:40

Bssh. Well done!!

The weight BMI chart thingy doesn't take account for different builds etc.

And if you look at the age 40 curve (mine too!) then you'll notice that its virtually flat between 20 BMI and 23ish. So I would go with your build and what feels good to you.

And obv look at your body fat % too as once you hit 40, it shouldn't really be below 23% apparently. Very different to if you're in your 20s and you can go much lower ie to 17% if you're female. Different for men obv.

I am liquid fasting until tonight. It's my new Friday thing. LOF from 6pm Thursday night until circa 8pm Friday night. This way my Friday night frenzy will still be well within TDEE. And I can still have a really enjoyable night with biscuits and cheese and wine grin
Can't wait. wink

Good luck to the other fasters and well done to the LOFs just finishing now.

Done ok with fasting this week. Not lost anything but clothes feel looser.
It's good considering H has been away (and an arse when at home angry) and DC have both been up every single sodding night. It's amazing I've not eaten the content of my local Waitrose and put on 2 stone really!

H is out again tonight with his friends angry. I sound whiny and bitter however I have had one lousy night out with a friend in over 4 years. And I can count in two hands the number of times he has got a babysitter and taken me out. Yet he is out on a regular basis. It's pissing me off. It's also the tiredness of a long week talking here.

Am planning expensive wine and cheese later. And may his hangover ache when I get the DC to jump up and down on his tomorrow at 6:30am! grin

TMI Alert!

Scales are uninspiring today (gone up) but unsurprising as I haven't managed to erm completely clear the decks all week blush

Not entirely sure what the problem is as there's been plenty of liquid, veg & fruit and lots of fibre in my diet, not much in the way of carbs and fairly minimal protein.

Just made a very strong, small, sweet coffee to see if that gets things, well, moving. I have 45 mins before I have to go to work…

Well done on your loss bssh fenvy You must pretty damn close to that goal now.

Well done to all the LOF successes too - bennettgirl 34 hours is definitely a success and technically your sweet milky coffee is liquid anyway fgrin

Hugs to the downtrodden MrsF - May all your children bounce merrily and early on the hungover H!

its December. that means there's never a time too early to start drinking right? kids driving me nuts.

mrsf I think it may be time to remind mrF that whilst you're a sahm you are also his wife and not a slave. he needs to buck up and either let you go out sometime or take you out.

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Fri 06-Dec-13 11:21:19

Ok quick question. Are any of you combining 5:2 with another 'diet' system to lose weight?

I did WW Discovery plan a few years ago and lost lots of weight but I lost the most doing what was nicknamed the Wendy plan - alternating between very high point days and low point days. When I think about 5:2 dieting I can see that this was a kind of early version of this.

My thinking is that the points are very doable if you have extras over the week because of fasting days. I heard before that a point was roughly 40-50 cals. You might wonder why I would bother but I have 3 stone to shift just to get to BMI 25. Realistically I can live with BMI 27 as I look and feel good at that point. I don't want to go completely mad on my non-fasting days.

On old WW I can have 23 points a day which is 161 a week. My two fast days would take about 24 of these which leaves a very doable 27 points a day. Plus, because I'm at home more now I can just survive on low point soup and hot drinks when I need them.

It's a bit like calorie counting on the fasting days. Would it help?

Funnyfestive Lots of us tend to do 2 fast days (up to 500 calories), 3 'good' days, ie to within or less than TDEE, and 2 blow out days when anything goes. Seems to work around these parts!

Lots of us have shifted more than 3 stone here though - go check out the 5:2 Inspiration thread (linked in OP).

I'm feeling a little emptier now... I'm sure y'all wanted to know that fgrin

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Fri 06-Dec-13 11:29:16

Thanks Betsy that may be the way to go - two v low days on 12ish points, a few days on 23 points and a couple of mega guzzler days when we get a takeaway or go out for a meal smile

MariaRossa Fri 06-Dec-13 11:37:27

Every time a longtime lurker is brave enough to come out I resolve to do it too - and this time I've finally, finally caught up with the threads (I have been reading since Thread 1, but discovered it about a month in, when I'd been 5:2ing for a couple of weeks, and have never been able to catch up in all this time!) Like so many others I have found the threads to be invaluable (informative, supportive, amusing, occasionally infuriating!) and I'd like to add my thanks to all those who have contributed and shared their experiences. I realise that my ways are very slightly unorthodox, so for the benefit of other lurkers, thought I might share, so that others can see the many possible variations in this WOL. I feel almost heretical when I say: I do not have scales and would never put myself through the horrors of a public weigh-in, so have no idea what my starting weight was, what it is now, or what my"ideal" should be. I have never used any calorie tracking system, do not have a clue what my BMI is and do not measure at all. I have however, come down from a tightish size 20 to a currently not-buying-anything-above-14 (and not making the mistake of buying many clothes again until I stop losing.) My loss has been slow and sustained and I'll just carry on until it stops. I recorded the original Horizon programme back in August 2012, and when I got around to watching it after a couple of weeks, just found it was something I thought I could do, started, and have never looked back. I have largely found it a painless process (apart from the headaches which I still get if I don't manage my water intake properly) and am happy to see this as a longterm thing. I think possibly because I have never weighed I think I avoid a whole lot of stress and have never failed or missed a fast day. I nearly always eat 2 small meals a day, 200 calories at lunch, usually fruit, because I craved it when I thought I couldn't have it (and it doesn't give me any problems in terms of making me hungry) then 300 in the evening. I can go through to the evening without eating but my extremely supportive DP, who has been doing this all the way with me despite not needing to lose weight, prefers to do it this way and I'm so grateful for the help that I'm happy to follow this pattern. I do 5:2 with the odd 4:3 if I've overdone it, or prior to and after a holiday. I've been fascinated by the way weight shifts in fits and starts - for example, my hands got thin overnight! Despite the fact that I put on handcream several times a day, one day I suddenly realised my hands were much slimmer, and I find new bony bits every so often, backing up the theory that weight loss follows its own path, which is anything but linear.

OK - apologies for this novel-length post (that's a lot of pent up 5:2ing wanting to burst out!) So erm, thanks, carry on, as you were.

MrsFlorrick Fri 06-Dec-13 11:43:36

Eatriskier. grin I honestly no longer know what to do about him/it/situation.

I guess the fact that I actually don't want him to take me out because then I'd have to talk to him says it all doesn't it!?sad Looks like point of no return has been and gone really.

It's a shame. I never imagined I'd end up like this. I worked hard on my education and later my career so I could avoid exactly this. And yet at the grand old age of 40, I find myself here.

If I manage to find a way through all of this with without living of a ton of cake and biscuits first then its officially a miracle.

Betsy! Yikes for you!! I hope ahem manage to clear the decks. Feel better soon. envy

BsshBossh Fri 06-Dec-13 11:47:25

MariaRossa wow what an inspirational post and so wonderful to hear from a long-termer. Please stay un-lurked and join us regularly so we can all benefit from your experience smile

sweetiepie1979 Fri 06-Dec-13 11:54:57

Wow great going Mariarossa well done!!! Your right about th scales but I'm so impatient I need scales.

Bssh well done.

I am on fast day today I'm hungover so it could be difficult. Having hair done today though I hope it's ok to take a 6 week old along.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 06-Dec-13 12:13:22

Afternoon all smile

Thrilled to bits at all the messages wondering where I am after my first ever 36 hour fast in case I passed out gringrin.

I can report I managed 35 hours at my first attempt. I only failed the 36 milestone because DS2 didn't want a crust in his packed lunch and I couldn't be bothered to put one slice back in the packet so thought I would have it for breakfast and forgot all about the time!!

Weigh in - 11 stone 3lbs so a pound lost since last weigh in so very happy and my scales tell me I am 37.1% fat but I haven't checked the chart as to what that actually means. Sounds bad sad.

Light just went in the lounge so can't see very well what I am typing so will say HELLO everyone and read back once we have lights again.

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Fri 06-Dec-13 12:18:07

<Applauds maria smile >

Umlauf Fri 06-Dec-13 12:22:16

Hi!

I've been lurking for a while but haven't been keen to post up until now in case the diet didn't work and I felt like a massive flop, but it is working, so here I am!

I gave birth in September and of the 3 and a half stone I put on during pregnancy, lost 2 and a bit almost immediately. Since then I've been doing the 5:2 with my husband, with a goal of getting into my normal clothes by Christmas time really, anything else a bonus.

Height 5ft6
SW 11st3
CW 10st
GW9st 8

I don't have a tape measure but at the start of the WOE I cut two lengths of ribbon, one for my waist and one for my hips, and They are now about an inch longer each, so not loads, but I do already fit into my old jeans (hurrah!) so possibly a lot of the extra lbs are breastmilk?! I'm struggling to find the motivation at the moment due to having reached the goal, but keeping to about 600/700 cals on FDs (due to BFing) and no more than 2000 on NFDs.

My DH on the other hand, having been doing the same thing for the same amount of time, has completely plateaued and is not feeling happy about it! He lost half a stone and then no more at all. He doesn't tend to eat lunch ever though, just bread and jam at breakfast and a casserole/curry for dinner. Any ideas for how to help him?!?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 06-Dec-13 12:29:24

Baloosticka - flowers for asking after me grin.

MrsF - talk to him, please! He will carry on doing these selfish acts until you tell him to pack it in!

My appetite has definitely shrunk. Just made a tuna and mayo sandwich with 2 slices of bread and after one slice I am satisfied shock.

No "letting" you go out, either MrsF. He isn't your boss. And you don't sound whiney or bitter. Just fed up and so would everyone else.

MrsFlorrick Fri 06-Dec-13 12:39:23

Toffeesausage.

Your scales are most likely wrong! My scales work except for the body fat monitor part. It has stubbornly been telling me that my body fat is 45%. It was telling me that when I was over 200lbs after having DS. It's still telling me that.

I know its not correct due to having dropped dress sizes through exercise without losing weight (ie swapping muscle for fat-makes it sound so easy...)

Bigchocfrenzy had a link on a previous thread to an online body fat monitor (something US marines are measured by ?). I
You input your weight height waist measurement neck measurement and hips and you get a body fat % and apparently this one is within 2% accurate.

That one has me at about 26% so clearly my scales body fat thingy is bust. And I think yours could be too.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 06-Dec-13 12:47:52

TBH I am not unduly worried about what the scales say for fat and water %s as I understand weights better.

annielewis Fri 06-Dec-13 13:07:29

MrsF your H is pissing me off just hearing about it so I can imagine how you feel! Try and get through Christmas in one piece and don't let the chocs and other 'goodies' fool you - you know you will feel better in control and maintaining your current weight - and staying on track.

Who's up for a 5:2 night out - for me that is the shittest thing about being a SAHM - no frigging boozy xmas parties! My H works for himself so can't even gatecrash his work 'do'!

Talkinpeace Fri 06-Dec-13 13:35:05

Mariarossa : Welcome - and well done.
Taking control without scales is actually better than those of us who are numbers obsessed because it proves you have internalised your control methods.
Clothes : I can totally recommend checking out Charity shops - nice jeans and tops and jumpers for a couple of pounds an item
and when you shrink again, donate and replace.

Umlauf : Welcome and well done
Your DH's plateau - it largely depends on how much he has to lose as men seem to react very differently to the women (there are several men on these threads so they may have wise words)
Bit it may be better if he avoids sugar in the mornings - Jam is 60% sugar

Today is my normal weigh in day and I chose not to. I want to see how much I have internalised the mesages and see if I can hold steady without seeing a number ....

PARTY FROCK PHOTOS I'll do mine next week buy everybody has to have them up by Christmas Eve (especially the men) fwink

Talkinpeace Fri 06-Dec-13 13:37:06

Bigchocfrenzy
Could you pop the link to that Nature paper over on the Tips and Hints thread so it does not get lost?

I'm nearer 50 than 40, but logically the high mortality for older underweight people will be linked to chronic disease - the data would need checking.
I'm not planning to budge for 21 for as long as I can.

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 14:24:09

Hello

Being really cheeky! Haven't had chance to catch up with thread yet and can see new faces, but could I just quickly ask a question before I go back and read it all.......

Hula Hoops.... Nobbly bits or Smooth???

Finally ordering one and am not sure which to go for.

I'm guessing the nobbly might hurt more to begin, but if it is going to achieve better results in the long run - ie I might want to upgrade at some point, then I'd rather just go for it now. Can't really find any proper explanation of the difference and am in bit of hurry.

Oh and if you can all please get back to me asap as Amazon says if I order in the next 3 hours I can get it tomorrow fgrin

My big fat flabby waist is waiting to be punished and I have been so pathetic with no exercise attempts so far that I am destined to be an empty saggy-skinned mess - with BigChoc no doubt laughing at me from high upon her mound of dead/exhausted gym Thors.

Any help much appreciated thanks

Will go back and catch up 5 pages of thread!!!!

I think nobby bits not boys as autocorrect insisted on is for massaging rather than exercising purposes. though the added massage may help bash the fat apart. not that any if us have fat anymore of course

btw, I have a smooth but that's just because that was what was there

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 14:46:57

Thanks Eat wine <- get stuck in, it's after midday!

My theory on the nobby boys was same as yours regarding bashing the fat.

My fat - because I for one definitely do still have plenty - really needs a good bashing. I am tempted to get the wooden meat tenderiser out, I am that sick of it!!!

The two I'm looking at are THIS

versus

THIS ONE

It seems to smooth one is a pound heavier.

Any other thoughts anybody???.......

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 14:47:56

the - not to!

sweetiepie1979 Fri 06-Dec-13 15:11:54

I reckon the one with Bumps ismy really going to do much more than the other one. Except hurt maybe! But I am basing that on no knowledge of hula hooping at all. I might try it though. Does it really tone your bottom?

Hi Alouf your story is great we'll done I have 2 stone to lose post birth too just had secind dd 6week's ago. I'm not breast feeding. Did you find weight loss slowest beginning?

Another question for the pros, I think I might have lost inches but not weight what's that about? I've not done ant exercise though I do keep busy and I'm doing more than I've done for months.?Will the weight loss catch up with the inches?

MrsFlorrick Fri 06-Dec-13 15:26:06

Turkey. Don't get the knobbly hoop!!! A world of pain awaits if you do!!

the heavier it is the easier it is to spin. I'm not quite thinking of upgrading yet and I've had mine for a few months now so if that's a concern you may not need to worry

BsshBossh Fri 06-Dec-13 16:10:03

Welcome umlauf smile

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 16:10:03

Right! Finally caught up!!

Am working backwards in responses as last page is provoking emotional response!

AnnieL dearest twinny! fgrin - I am totally with you on the 5:2 night out!! D(nearlyex)P is off out tonight for Christmas drinks/meal with colleagues. Meanwhile I am wondering how I am going to take a picture of me in my non existent party frock to upload!

Think best I might manage is pic in xmas pj's or xmas jumper - not that much of my shape will be visible!

Maybe we could have a skype party and get sloshed wearing xmas face masks! Lol!

Reading all the stuff on here about MrsF and hearing everyone's responses, is really highlighting how different we all are. I am surprised when I hear some of the comments about MrF's behaviour because, in my experience at least, that type of behaviour I have always just taken as being part of the whole sahm/ partner out working set up. The (largely) men/women divide!

That is not to say I agree with it. Rather that a lot of your reactions are making me question just how 'normal' this is.

My DP is lovely (bit impatient sometimes) with dd, and does make time for her. He'll tuck her up, dish out medication and takes her to school.

But regarding everything else home related, including all of the non-play aspects of dd's care, I pretty much do it all. Whilst granted he doesn't have much of a social life, compared to me he has lots of outlets through one thing or another.

Have I lost the plot and am actually the martyr-ish, door mat, I swore I'd never be? Have I actually turned into my mother???..

Whilst granted, a bit mental from time to time, I am no shrinking violet, and would like to think am quite a strong woman who is more than capable of fighting her own corner. I am also a very considerate and good natured person, I think, fhmm but am now starting to wonder if I have inadvertently let good naturedness snowball into doormat who can't see the woods for the trees!??

Are you all living totally different lives out there with whip cracked fellas/ones who do it right automatically??

What have I been doing wrong?

Oh and MrsF.... do yourself a favour and get all your finances in check, so that if/when you do separate, you at least have some financial security.

Although we have been engaged for 9 years (together 12), for one genuine reason or another we hadn't got around to getting married. Was never an issue because as far as we were both concerned it was always going to happen, just a matter of time. When you think you're going to spend the rest of your lives together, where's the rush! We've always had insurances in place to take care of matters should the other die, so again no unromantic reasons to rush it!

Now however, I am royally screwed!

Thanks to the shite laws in this country, I am actually, legally entitled to diddly frickin squat of my own home, contents, partner's business success of which I have helped him start/build and support through the hard slog of first few years. Not to mention all the sacrifices made for it!

I have to now rely on him being/staying reasonable, as well as the feeling of being 'kept' by somebody you no longer share a mine is yours future with - which leaves me feeling that it is not our money anymore.

Sorry! Was trying not to get started. I barely have fgrin - but I won't!! I am not turning this into another of those conversations!

But I just wanted to say Mrs F - get a head start! Start looking into these things NOW. I wish I'd had the foresight. If I hadn't been so naive about our future, I might have been tempted to do something more calculated like push for a quick marriage just so I could divorce him! I stupidly allowed myself to stay sucked in by the (shared) belief that it was something we wanted to make special, so could wait a while longer. I never realised just how shafted it would leave me. Probably because I really, really, never expected us to finish.

The next bastard one is getting nowt until we're wed!!!!

.... storms off to put on Beyonce - If you like then you should've put a ring on it! fgrin

Feckin life eh!

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 16:19:22

On a positive note ......

Welcome and great to hear from you!

Umlauf, MariaRossa, FunnyFestive and Papaya

It's lovely to hear other's spin on things.

I am fasting today. Again a possible liquid ish only, although I am at 60 cals already through sugar in coffee and a bouillon, so that would put me at fail for the under 50 cal thing.

Will prob repeat wed, which had me at same as today plus a small apple, milky/water coffee and square of choc in evening.

Thanks Eat and MrsF for hula advice. I am going to go for the smoothy I think! Can't wait now to get it and be one of y'all!

BsshBossh Fri 06-Dec-13 16:20:26

Turkey I think we all have different expectations of and personality dynamics with our OHs. I lucked out completely with my DH (and like to think he lucked out with me too) and he's so different from MrF (despite senior position, high flying career, long hours, work overseas blah blah blah). When I read these posts I get very angry but then I think if DH was like these men perhaps I would be more tolerant of such behaviour (balancing it against the other qualities I'd expect he would bring to the relationship). ??? Who knows really. You both know your OHs much better and can see other sides to their personalities that we can't see...

turkey I'm not sure about what normal is but if dh out any blockers on me having a small social life whilst his continued his then he may find me inserting said blockers somewhere he wouldn't like wink .

Talkinpeace Fri 06-Dec-13 16:47:23

I've been with DH since we were both 19. I no longer need the cattle prod grin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 16:50:40

That's the thing I'm getting at I guess...

With Bssh response - I have always thought regarding any 'shortcomings' - 'well at least he's got x,y,z going for him!

With Eat he is the passive to my aggressive fgrin so don't think he's got it in him to try the blockers!

But what I have been questioning is whether I've been settling my expectations too low, because he wasn't an obvious bad boy bastard, have I just been grateful for a quietish life and not asked for anything more than that!?

And maybe he is actually passive aggressive, and he's getting me to be extremely low maintenance without me noticing! lol!

But then what is one's idea of a bastard?? This is the confusing part! I am so sick of seeing so many women out there with partners falling all over themselves to do lovely stuff for/with them, that I wonder why I never seem to evoke that reaction myself??

I certainly haven't asked for or had the life I would've ideally had during our time together. I always felt grateful for what we did have, rather than dwell on what was missing.

I'm gonna need help ladies! When I am all on my lonesome, and eventually one eye open for love again, I am going to need help!

Think Sandy in grease kind of help!! fgrin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 16:55:19

I should add that there are a few more complications to matters.

He was very bad in early days. With somebody else kind of bad.

Meanwhile I have had my depressive episodes in last 8 years too so that may have made me behave more submissively. It might have changed me.

Coming from years of turmoil growing up/early adulthood, I was/am always grateful for quiet life too!

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 17:16:29

ANYWAY!..........Moving on!.........

Lots of liquid only fast talk recently.

There was mention of a '2 back to back fds of 600 cals' study within last couple of threads. Think was the guy on the Horizon with MM. Can't remember name.

I am intrigued to know if there has been any experience of doing this by anyone we know of??

I would be intrigued to compare the two.

I am increasingly finding that fewer cals consumed on a fd is easier than trying to manage meal prep.

Also that avoiding any form of snacking is the key to making the difference between losing or not losing every week.

No snacking huh! Who'd 've thought it! fwink

Talkinpeace Fri 06-Dec-13 17:43:03

wine tonight - but not too much as I have to leave for work at 8.30 in the morning : 3 hour board meetings with politics and fireworks are SUCH fun !

dingdongduckyfuzz Fri 06-Dec-13 17:47:12

Champagne and fish and chips, I'm a classy girl!

dingdongduckyfuzz Fri 06-Dec-13 17:51:04

Welcome newbies!

On the dh front, I'm very lucky (not as lucky as him though, and he knows it!) and am looking forward to him going out tonight without me fgrin but would be really fed up if that was his expected 'right' and I got nothing. I previously earned more than him and have only recently gone freelance, which has changed the balance somewhat. I used to rely on him and make massive demands on his time though.

MariaRossa Fri 06-Dec-13 17:58:03

Hi all, thanks for the welcome - it feels good to be a proper member at last! It occcurs to me that my "it's all easy-peasy" initial post might be a bit disingenuous - had I not been afraid of boring you all to death, I probably should have added that this came along at the perfect time for me. I was about 9 months in to what turned out to be a 15 month period of being unable to excercise due to injury, and while I have always been fat, I used to be relatively fit. In an attempt to stem some of the damage of the exercise lay-off, I had already made some changes to my eating patterns - restricting cake/biscuits/chocolate to the weekends only, not eating anything after my evening meal, and trying to reduce my portion size. I'm sure these things made a huge difference to my ability to fast in the early days, as although I still can't claim to manage Tip's NO SNACKING, I was at least getting towards BandW's No (evening) snacking mantra. Sorry if I made it sound like it should be no bother to anyone who might be struggling out there!

(Gosh Turkey/Cuckoo I see what you meant - once you start it's hard to stop, isn't it?!)

I am mainly lucky with dh. he is wonderful to me, does anything for the kids etc. except when there's a problem that needs solving or thinking about. then he buries his head in the sand or expects me to figure everything out. and because I stupidly generally do he waits for me to completely meltdown before even contemplating helping in that department. I doubt anyone has a perfect partner.

although I'm out for Xmas party number 2 tonight, with the next 2 Fridays also seeing me head off. he has multiple parties on the next few wednesdays so he is fine with not having a friday outing. I would just like to say that prior yo Xmas party 1 last month it had been 5 months since I'd been out anywhere...

Talkinpeace Fri 06-Dec-13 18:07:34

Ooh mariarossa not being able to exercise when you are used to it is indeed a PITA - especially as your calorie needs go down at the same time as you go out of tone!
What did you do to yourself and are you on the mend now?

Eatriskier My 'office' do - where I work part time - has been postponed till January which is actually cool as then we get better menu choices!

Tip Yup, I'll post it.
btw: Any competent studies would exclude the seriously ill and underweight who might otherwise skew the statistics.

The most plausible explanation for the differing requirements at different ages are:
- the older you are, the more likely to have a serious disease in the next few years, hence the need for higher fat reserves.
- as (non-5:2ers) increase weight as they go into middle age, a young person already overweight is likely to be obese in middle age.

However, to choose a suitable goal BMI /%BF we need to judge our individual body, lifestyle, tastes etc.

My BF of around 21% is theoretically too low for my age, but I wish to return to sub-20%, partly because the fat distribution in my 50s changed. Also, with the intense kind of training I do, I notice even one excess kg.

Well done on managing your first long fast Toffee.
I exoect you'll be quite blasé about 24 hr FDs now.
smile
Betsy If you get bunged up again, try that remedy I passed on to Cuckoo - it seemed to work for her:
- 1 tbsp olive oil
- 1 teasp lemon juice
Best to take on an empty tum, so early morning or a few hrs after eating.

MariaRossa Fri 06-Dec-13 18:49:04

Thanks Tip am much better now. It was nothing dramatic - just a series of mechanical breakdowns (general decrepitude!) Achilles, knee, hip issues which got so chronic as to make me grind to a halt. I think you have had knee problems, so you may have been there? A lot of painful physio has got me back to 3 exercise classes a week plus daily walking - have never been an exercise junkie, but it does make me feel better. I know I should do more - following the advice on these threads I have at least attempted to Shred a few times, and have looked at C25K (by which I mean have printed out a schedule and downloaded a few podcasts, and even listened to one to see if I could stand it. I'm sure that must count. Preparation is important, isn't it?)

Talkinpeace Fri 06-Dec-13 18:53:47

You have lurked well MariaRossa fgrin
Yup I have nadgered knees so do swimming, yoga, pilates and a non impact version of LegsBumsTums

its interesting how many more studies are coming out saying that exercise is practically essential.

A dear family friend who is 75 is allergic to exercise, but he eats little
so he's unfit but slim
My D list sleb old school friend will always be heavy, but exercises lots
so she's fat but fit

the killer, killer, killer is fat and unfit : and WILL stop us being able to be as manic as grandparents as Breadandwine

Turkey So sorry you are going through all this stress and soul-searching.
(((Big Gobbler Hugs)))
flowers
Even if he is a knobhead as a DP, he is at least a caring (if not very helpful) dad
- unlike MrsF's affliction who needs his smart phone rammed up to where he keeps his brains and where he sun doesn't shine.

However, do NOT start questioning your history, character, judgement, boobs size etc. just because your relationship has ended. This is NOT your fault.
<Big choc special bellow: Stand up straight, that woman, so you can kick him harder in the bollocks>

rubbishfamily333 Fri 06-Dec-13 19:09:10

Evening all I have done a fast/mini fast today, I didn't eat until dinner time, then had beef stew with dumplings (which I cooked and put in the freezer).

Well NSV today grin my stretchy jeggings which are quite big but a size 12, they have been falling down all day shockshock It was annoying but made me smile grin

Also I showed my dd aged 6 this morning and said look my jeans look abit big, she said "wow I've never seen any clothes that were big for you before". She makes me sound like I'm as big as a house confusedconfused I'm a size 12 I didn't think it was that big. grin

MariaRossa Fri 06-Dec-13 19:12:36

I'd be interested to know how vital for our mental health exercise is as well - I know, no matter how stressed I am, if I can force myself to go to class I am guaranteed to feel better. If nothing else, your brain has to concentrate on where to put your feet/arms/legs etc and has to let some other stuff go for a while. My best "fasting" feelings are always on the walk to work the day after my fast (which is also always the day after a class) so my body feels more harmonious, put together better, somehow, and I feel light and empty but I've just put some delicious toast in my stomach! (I can skip breakfast no problem on fast days, but I love my toast and practically lick the crumbs off the plate on NFDs.)

I'm with tip on how important exercise is for health, e.g. for a good cardiovascular system, avoiding Type 2 diabetes, maintaining muscle, bone & flexibilty in old age.

Avoid future osteoporosis with exercise:

Start now to retain bone strength, to avoid a painfully disabled old age.

Impact exercise E.g. walking, running, jumping, skipping rope, step class, hitting a heavy punch bag.

Lifting: Ideally movements that load the bone along its length, e.g. squats, press-ups, bench press, overhead press etc

Squats are much better than lunges: The weight in a squat is transmitted down along the spine, through the hip, and down along the bones of the leg, whereas in a lunge, it is transmitted across the shinbone and puts pressure on the knee joint.

Bigchoc I was bearing your remedy in mind but wanted to do it on a day when I'm not at work as not easy to rush off to toilets at short notice! TBH I'm trying out the half-a-bottle-of-red-wine trick that usually does the job…

Another de-lurker! Hello mariarossa smile

DH is on a Christmas do so I've had a lovely me-only dinner of prawns in chilli, garlic, ginger, spring onions and lime juice, quickly pan fried and chucked on a heap of salad.

On that subject, DH has occasional form for being crap but acknowledges it. We've been together a million years - grown up together really. We discuss our parenting regularly and talk to each other. Neither of us is keen on drama - happy to lead a slightly dull but creative life as long as we get good holidays and naice food/wine. He likes to make sure I go out as often as he does.

Although, as mentioned on another thread somewhere, DH works near an amazing cake shop and has never brought me cake. However, I am hard to buy for - he's just called on the way home form xmas do, and I've requested chocolate (as I no longer think to stock up - a victory of sorts?) but said not to f***** bother unless it's lindt or green and blacks quality. He was amused fgrin. I may have had 2 glasses of wine. It's not drinking alone as I'm with the children. And it's Friday.

Stand up straight, that woman, so you can kick him harder in the bollocks

Possibly the best feminist bellow I've ever heard grin grin

I think exercise is extremely important for our mental health. I find it very easy to not bother but when I do I always think how amazing I feel mentally and why don't I do this all the time? I've been thinking for a couple of days now I really need to go out for a cathartic run tomorrow morning. Weather permitting.

Talkinpeace Fri 06-Dec-13 19:24:51

silly friday night thought

When Miss S / toffee was needing 'one to one' I kept it off thread
I'm trying the same with Mrs F
as actually no matter what the level of stress, none of want our dirty washing in public
and I do not agree with LTB : as there are always two sides to every story - marriage is a compromise and it has to be tested
(says she whose parents divorced when I was 2 and have never been civil since grin )

sweetiepie1979 Fri 06-Dec-13 19:29:17

I seem to inadvertently be on a liquid only fast since last night from 9. I think I'll keep going to tomorrow morning should I? Why not I suppose feeling fine

Maria
Exercise improves what scientists call the brain's "executive function," which are basic brain functions like processing speed, response speed, and working memory (the type used to remember names & numbers)

Exercise is as effective as medication for mild (but not severe) depression.

It can even reverse age-related brain shrinkage and deterioration (possibly due to the additional blood capillaries created and improved blood circulation, as well as chemical reactions ?)

More vigorous exercise naturally has more effect than a gentle amble, but even regular brisk working makes a difference:

Can't find the reference, but one study got 60 sedentary adults aged 60 to 80 to start a brisk walking program of 40 minutes a day three times a week. After a year, MRIs showed the hippocampus region of these exercisers had increased by about 2%. The walkers also had better performance on memory tests, compared to their scores at the start of the study—an improvement associated with the larger hippocampus.

BsshBossh Fri 06-Dec-13 19:41:59

I haven't been able to exercise for an entire month, perhaps more (it would depress me to work out the exact number of weeks) and I feel so so so lethargic as a result. I'm napping more during the day and sleeping fitfully at night. It's awful.

I'm slowly on the mend though and am planning resuming exercise from next week. I can't wait to get my physical and mental clarity back.

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 20:11:07

BigChoc cake fgrin - you never fail!!! XXXX
Apart from the odd thing over the years and when he is generally getting on my tits in a way all our (apart from maybe Bssh) partners do, he isn't, so far/in recent times, deserving of any bollock kickings. A slap round the cheeks and massive wake up call maybe but not a kicking. Have to be fair to him there. I am working on my swing though just in case!

I couldn't help myself earlier. Had to ask, as all the comments about MrF, were starting to make me feel like I had really skewed ideas of what a normal relationship is! Because some, not all, of what I hear sounds very familiar fhmm

Silly really! But I do agree that public airing doesn't help. It is nigh on impossible to explain situations properly. I don't want to be unfair. If anything I probably have tendency to make too many allowances. Either way, it is not conducive to getting the right advice for my particular set up. And this isn't really the place is it. I don't know! Confused.com!

Anyone got that book?...you know, the one with all the answers????

MariaRossa You are SO right. I know that one of the major contributors to my unhappy states over years has been due to lack of exercise. And daylight. Vicious circle that!

Rubbish Awesome NSV!! Got to love the loose clothing feel fgrin And sounds like a typical little dd comment. They always know just what to say!

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 20:24:15

Whoever was talking about periods (sorry I had pages to catch up on and can't remember name)

Pre dd my cycle was ridiculous. Dating pg was nightmare. 40 odd day cycle most of time, with random period here and there. Really heavy, horrible jobbies too!

Post dd (8yrs) they got regular. Almost monthly and this has been consistent since she was born. Still varied each month, and sometimes 6 weekly, but much better pattern on the whole.

Now, since 5:2, they are pretty much 4 weekly and getting shorter each month. Last one (just finished) was 28 days!!!!!!!!

I think they have reduced by 1-2 days each month (this is 3rd period since starting 5:2)

rubbishfamily333 Fri 06-Dec-13 20:35:03

Turkey thanks smile

on the exercise subject, I rarely exercise and I really feel like I need to.

I drive to school and work I know walking would be a good start. I know it sounds like an excuse but I'm always running late. I seem to struggle to get up earlier. Even when I do get up earlier I spend that extra time getting ready. We are always running late to get dd to school, I could drive to school then walk to work from there which would take around 15-20 mins, so there and back would be about 1/2 hour + per day.

I don't really get to go to the gym due to being a single parent, my mum is local and can have dd sometimes but I always feel like I'm rushing around to get things done.

I have recently started hula hooping and I'm trying to build up my minutes per day as the hoop hurts.

I have started to feel like I need some exercise in the evenings, I find that I come home with dd, prepare dinner, clean up then spend my evening on the laptop or on the phone.

BsshBossh Fri 06-Dec-13 20:40:03

Turkey don't worry DH and I regularly get on each other's nerves (and we're both hot-tempered so there are regular fireworks) but overall he's great.

annielewis Fri 06-Dec-13 21:19:01

turkey I've just ordered a hoop too - like rubbish I feel like I need to do something in the evenings or in the few spare minutes during the day - just KNOW my kids are going to be fascinated though and risk decapitation! Maybe shoould practice while they're in bed.

My H regularly gets on my nerves, we do not have a perfect marriage and he is a prize twunt but I am in the TiP camp as far as working on marriages, however my caveat is that ONLY works if both partners are willing to work at it. SOunds to me like mrF is not doing much on that front.

MrsF you know we are all here for you if and when you need help emotionally.

turkey and whoeever else was asking somewhere? It was me asking about periods, mine keep catching me out as they are coming earlier and earlier and are veeeery light, annoyingly light. Theya re also lasting for longer than they used to. But in an annoying 'not really having a proper period but lets make it last for 8 days' kind of way! Was always regular as clockwork before dd and between dd and ds.

Well done everyone on all your NSV's! This thread is belting along like the last one! Leave it for 5 mins and you've got 3 pages to catch up on! fsmile

rubbishfamily333 Fri 06-Dec-13 22:07:37

annie what hoop did you order?

I have got jillian michaels shred, I did it once for 11 days in a row and lost 2 inches off my hips and 1-2 inches off my waist then stopped sad

I will start it again in the next few days I think, and I might order some other jillian michael dvds, any recommendations? I hate doing dvds at home and prefer to be in a class, but its not possible at the moment so dvd's it is.

annielewis Fri 06-Dec-13 22:25:22

Wow - rubbish thats impressive inch loss! I've got JM dvds but find that my toddlers cannot resist clambering all over me if I try and do then during the day so haven't done them for ages. Am also a bit scared about the old pelvic floor after other comments on here (can't remember who now)

I don't know how to link but its the same one that Turkey linked to up thread a bit - the one with out the 'massaging' bumps of torture... smile

rubbishfamily333 Fri 06-Dec-13 22:37:41

I know it was very impressive, but I havnt managed to do it again since then, my hips were 40 inches and went to 38 inches. Also my belly and thighs looked so much better. I just find it so hard to keep it up.

My dd used to jump all over me when she was younger, she is 6 now and if I do it when she is there she tried to do it and makes me laugh fgrin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 23:24:36

AnnieL my twin gift to you.... to do a link....

bring up the web page you want to show

copy the address from the bar at top of screen

where you want to put your link put [[ then without space paste your link then space then put whatever word you want to be your link i.e THIS then ]] without space again.

The instructions are under message box. I didn't have clue at first! Then tried it and worked! If in doubt preview first to check it works.

Hope that makes sense!

As far as the working things out goes. Yes it does take two. I have not given up easily. My parents had horrendous divorce and still make our lives hell, so I have always wanted to give my dd the opposite of what I had.

But he doesn't seem to want to. It's carry on as we are or nothing at all as far as he is concerned. I love him, but I need more. He is nice guy and we are great friends but I can't live the kind of relationship we have for rest of lives. I'm too young and I just want to feel loved!

If I didn't love him, or hadn't wanted us to work so much, I would've given up and walked away years ago. I discovered he was having an affair when I was pg with dd. The betrayal of all the things that went on, besides the 'deed' itself took so much to get over. It was definitely one of the major factors in my depression.
My dad cheated on my mum throughout their marriage. I was wary of having knee jerk reaction and kicking him out, just to avoid repeating the same mistakes as mum did, in putting up with it. So I worked very bloody hard at not making it the be all and end all. I believed him when he said it was biggest mistake of his life and when he swore his undying love to me. I won't say I got over it easily or quickly, but I certainly tried my hardest to move on and not hold it over him.

Now we are a million miles from that, but sadly going nowhere apparently!

I'm gutted. Not because he's perfect, or because I don't think I deserve better. But because I do love him so much and thought he was it! I was prepared for life's ups and downs and prepared to work at us over the years. But what am I supposed to do now?

I feel like I'm asking for the earth, yet not asking for much all at the same time!

Sorry! Bloody emotional end of period hormone attack! Just felt like I wanted to point out I am not doing this lightly!

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Fri 06-Dec-13 23:29:38

Oh and do you know what AnnieL - now I think about it, my period lasting slightly longer too!

Tangent slightly! fgrin

rubbishfamily333 Sat 07-Dec-13 00:10:24

I was thinking about doing the squat challenge. I just googled it and came across a miserable article saying squats alone won't be very beneficial and if you are doing so many squats it will probably be with poor form hmm

annielewis Sat 07-Dec-13 01:00:17

God turkey this is getting spooky now, I'm in similar boat to you, caught H going on escort sites (booking appointments) while pg with dc2. Have had over a year of therapy to work through things and are not out of the woods yet. I wasn't implying you'd given up easily, no one goes into a long term relationship especially when kids are involved thinking they're going to be a single parent. It takes a huge amount of guts and strength to not 'settle' and to stand up for what you deserve (that includes love).

Brain has run out of function but didn't want to read and run, the thread will have motored along by morning!!!

Back to hula hooping, are you following a DVD or anything or are you just going to have a go? Did you order already? Xx

rubbish when I started 5:2 I was on heavy painkillers to cope with my SI joint problem. 5:2 lost me some weight and made everything a little better, so I started the 30 day squat challenge (with some trepidation I may add). It was phenomenal. If nothing other than the feeling of achievement it gives. But it definitely improved my bum.

I may be here first, but as tips behest, there is a pic of me in my Xmas part outfit up. This outfit will be worn out for another 2 Fridays at least, so come say hi if you recognise me fwink

annielewis Sat 07-Dec-13 01:15:19

rubbish I tried it before, there will always be people going on about 'form' wtc. Have you watched any of the you tube clips about how to do it! That helped me a lot, and watching yourself in a mirror or doing it by a bed/chair/wall.

BsshBossh Sat 07-Dec-13 06:11:31

(((( Turkey ))))

Eatriskier I can't access your photo, can you provide direct link?

BsshBossh Sat 07-Dec-13 06:13:49

rubbish my periods have pretty much stayed the same in terms of regularity. They've become heavier during "peak days" but I put that more down to age (43) and heading towards peri-meno.

Rubbish Article sounds daft.

Squats are an excellent exercise for tightening bum and thighs, also for maintaining bone density. Since they use big muscle groups, you can burn quite a few calories too.
Squats automatically use some tum muscles, so also tone abs a bit.

Don't worry too much about form, unless you get pain in knees or back (if so, you probably just need to remember to keep weight on your heels)

Dammit - forgot about name changing. Should be visible now.

Wow Eat, what a fantastic change you have made to your body. You look wonderful. Well done !
flowers fgrin

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Sat 07-Dec-13 07:10:43

:-O

Eat I can hardly believe you're the same person (your smile gives you away though)

amazing, thank you for sharing

Baloostika Sat 07-Dec-13 07:57:14

Welcome MariaRossa and all the de lurkers, there so much to gain from being here.
Eat: u look wonderful, you've really done well for yourself.
How are we all doing?

dingdongduckyfuzz Sat 07-Dec-13 08:02:06

eat you look gorgeous!

Can't help with the relationship stuff really, but supportive thoughts and unmn hugs to MrsF, Turkey, Annie and anyone else having and crap time of it.

My periods are a bit weird at the mom, but like bssh I'm putting that down to being 43!

Despite being certain I wouldn't lose this week, due to totm (when I can gain half a stone) I appear to be 2lbs down fshock - I wasn't going to weigh at all but clothes were feeling much looser. Will now bloat up over the weekend but but I know its not 'real'!

Thank you all

bennet DD has the exact same smile too, its freaky though very sweet.

rubbish my periods are all over the place but then I've had the mirena put in so I put it down to that rather than 5:2

BsshBossh Sat 07-Dec-13 08:39:28

Eatriskier gorgeous dress and I love your hair!

BsshBossh Sat 07-Dec-13 08:42:29

ducky well done on the loss. I was pleasantly surprised by losing during TOM week too.

rubbishfamily333 Sat 07-Dec-13 09:14:00

Morning all

Eatriskier - I can't see your photo as I'm on my phone but will have a look later grin

Well I think for now i may start with hula hooping and squat challenge, anyone want to join me??? Maybe we could check in to make sure we have done it all?

I feel like jillian will damage my ankle at the moment hmm but I could do with some chest flys and press ups. Last time I fancied press ups I didn't warm up before and my shoulder was hurting for days. confused

I sound like a real wimp grin I'm much better in classes than at home.

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sat 07-Dec-13 09:43:18

AnnieL - I have ordered the non nobbly one on my link. 2.5lb I think. Should be here by mon hopefully.

Rubbish I have to big up the squats too. I have always been fortunate enough to have fairly compact bum (my prob areas are more apple) but it was getting bit limp! Nothing more aging than a saggy bott. Plus all that sort if stuff helps for supporting back.

I have dodgy back on/off. I agree with all comments that if done correctly (I am one who also stands in front of mirror) then it doesn't hurt/cause aggravation. Is definitely starting to work too.

I am with you for a squat/hula challenge. I like the idea of having a few simple things to try. JM is not for me yet either. Am afraid of ripping out my pelvic floor fgrin

DuckyF That is bloody brill!!!! I had similar last week. 2 lb loss just as period started so was over moon. I had felt massively bloated too and was expecting maintain or gain. Just goes to show that our insides can still feel the same even though we're shrinking overall.

I finished yesterday on drinks only. Bouillon and milky water on top of 3 coffees. Did have 2 lrg sqs of choc too in evening. But still under 250. Find it easier than eating.

Can't wait to weigh in later - hope its not a kick in the wotsit!

Am off to check out EatRisky!

Thanks for kind words thanks. Again! Am so not looking for sympathy. I think years of bottling it all up just bubbles over sometimes. Need to get out of habit of talking on here though - I hate feeling afterwards of 'I killed that conversation!' 'Tumbleweed alert!!' Lol fgrin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sat 07-Dec-13 09:55:27

EatRisky ..... WOWEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

You look awesome! Nowhere to hide in that dress too! It shows off your gorgeous shape - good for you!! Can't wait to have a body I feel proud enough of to wear fitted clothing.

Truly - you look gorge!!!! I agree your hair is lovely and really suits you, looks fab. You must feel great!

Can't wait to see all the other pics now. fgrin

Massively inspiring wine cake thanks

rubbishfamily333 Sat 07-Dec-13 09:58:16

Turkey - can you link to your hula hoop? I could hoop for an hour easily but my hoop is oddly shaped and hurts the next day if I've done too much so I'm building up at the moment.

I've just downloaded the app for the squat challenge and press up challenge.

I figured I could do the press ups and squats in the morning and hula in the evening.

If we can get a few others to sign up with us maybe I will start a hula/squat/press up challenge thread grin

And Turkey - don't worry about tumbleweed, this is the most supportive thread on here and gaining control over eating is affected by everything which includes husbands, sick dc, work problems so we discuss it all wink

annielewis Sat 07-Dec-13 10:09:27

Ooh I'm definitely in for the hooping squatting challenge!!! Perfect timing as hoop should arrive today. Funny that we are all a bit scared if JM! I need my pelvic floor more than I need to be skinny!! smile

When shall we start it?

turkey I like reading your posts, you don't tumbleweed the thread don't worry! And lots of people do epic long rambly posts every now and again, it's what makes this post so personal and supportive! smile

rubbishfamily333 Sat 07-Dec-13 10:11:44

I am starting today grin I will start a thread in the exercise section which is dedicated to our challenge.

And anyone that hasn't got their hoop yet can start with the squats until the hoop comes??

Papayasoup Sat 07-Dec-13 10:22:36

eatrisky you look amazing!!!

I don't have a hula hoop but I'm up for the squat challenge! Just need to figure out what it consists of exactly!

I've got no Christmas posh dos but will try and take a pic and post. I nothing else to be a reminder during my Christmas holidays that I don't want to feel like last year.

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sat 07-Dec-13 10:25:22

I am very up for challenge!!

Maybe we could report in our daily efforts. I know we will all have good days and can't be arsed bad days, but it is the motivation of others and having to keep confessing results that gives the push needed!

ordered this one

To be honest I was in bit of hurry so could've done better maybe. I have since been on eBay and they have loads on there, different styles, sizes, weights and prices. Could prob get a really good deal if mooched around but I just wanted it done!

Not2bObvious Sat 07-Dec-13 11:00:18

eat you look stunning! What a difference from the 1st pic. Hope you really enjoy the nights out. Back from my trip, ended up in a wine & crisp munchathon when I got home but not too bad in the scheme of things, hours of walking yesterday. Scales showing about a 2.4 gain this morning but that's, shall we say excess baggage that'll be shed soon enough if you catch my drift. Doing a mini fast today in the form of a 16:8 as I have a big lunch with friends tomorrow.
Starting to feel v xmassy, will spend the rest of the day cleaning/prepping food but right now it's a cup of tea and an episode if extreme weightloss with Chris Powell, pwoar fwink Anyone else fasting today?

SQUAT CHALLENGE

What is important, when just doing bodyweight, is to go very deep if possible, so thighs are parallel to the floor, rather than doing a huge number of easy "downwards bobs" which are not very effective.

We do a squat Tabata at the end of training sometimes (the alternatives are press-ups or burpees):

20 secs of deep squats
10secs rest

This is a set. We rinse & repeat to do 8 sets, but you can build up gradually.

I think bodyweight is best in this type of challenge, rather than seeing who can lift the heaviest barbell.

I am so up for the squat challenge! I have reinstated the bedroom mirror so the full horrors of porridge arse and emblazoned on my retinas. Something must be done!

5:2 postergirl eatriskier - Looking FABULOUS from top to toe, absolutely stunning.

peplum41 Sat 07-Dec-13 12:38:43

turkey your posts either have me chuckling or are so wretched I feel at a loss to comment. I cant compete with your humour, unlike bcf, and when you've just posted something personal I'm reluctant to just come on here cheerily oblivious:"I've just lost 3lbs" (which would be a lie because I haven't). I hadn't realised you felt you brought the whole thing grinding to a hault. Tumbleweed!! Another turkey classic. And on the subject of dp, glad you clarified the bit about him cheating, it did sound as though you were letting a good one go.. til that! Even the bible says you don't have to forgive that. I know this might sound silly, but I wish Id known about 5:2 when my ex left me for the slapper over the road, especially when he said I would never find anybody else because I was fat and spotty. Well he was wrong, I did and he's lovely.(11 year anniversary soon).
But it would've been better for emotional state if I hadn't become so dependent on food and drink, especially as the weight just piled on.

eat wolf whistles all round.

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sat 07-Dec-13 13:17:34

Hi Peplum Thanks! Tbh there is a lot more to it all which is precisely why I need to stop posting about it, as it would be impossible to explain a 12 yr relationship! He is good, in that he isn't a complete wanker. Is he a 'good one' though?? Depends on what your definition of love is. Hence my original comment/question. Was/am confused about what is achievable in any longterm relationship. All I know is all around me in RL, online, media, I see people with lots of what we are missing. And I'm not asking the earth here!

And I'm not letting him go. We are letting each other go because he wants a housemate/company and I want to be in love and have somebody in love with me. We've been at stale mate for few years. He had never admitted his feelings until I pushed for counselling etc. He doesn't want to try any of that. So all that's left is for me to compromise, or us to split.

As for cheerily oblivious posts. fgrin Please don't ever worry! That is very nature of these kinds of threads isn't it. And I would rather drop my tumbleweed comment and everyone carry on as normal than anyone ever feel hesitant to be themselves. It may sound dire in my world sometimes but I realise I am not the only person on the planet/thread so I don't expect everyone to have read/care/comment give a shit about my posts.fgrin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sat 07-Dec-13 13:23:58

Hah! Betsy Porridge arse!! Cracks me up every time fgrin

I have especially evil mirrors in this house. One particularly nasty bastard in the bedroom.

Usually my porridge tummy that I hate sight of.

Let's Pummel the Porridge wherever it may reside! fgrin

Mine is getting smacked about with my new hoop as soon as arrives!

Just weighed in! Another pound down Woohoo!!!!!

Not sure I'll make it to the tens for Xmas but I'm much closer. Am loving the non food under 250 cal fd I've done this week. Although NND went out of window on choc front! Back in the game next wk though. Plus 4:3! Am feeling smaller too which doesn't always come with loss.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 07-Dec-13 13:32:15

Turkey flowersbrewcakewine

YOU and your DD deserve to live a full and happy life. It is too long to be unhappy. Do what is right for YOU and it will be right for your DD too.

eat WOW!!

My TOTM is different too - put down to age - as I feel down on the first and last days of the loss as opposed to the one day in the week before I used to get.

I got out my tape measure this morning and I was shock and grin

July 2012 before Diet Chefing for 3 months and 5:2 since Aug 2013

chest 106cm now 87cm.
waist 98cm now 79cm.
thigh 62cm now 55cm.

Yesterday I was 11 stone 3lbs. Lowest I have been since having dc3 in 2005. One stone to go at least. Only 1lb overweight!! grin.

Not2bObvious Sat 07-Dec-13 13:41:08

Toffee that is amazing, super well done, that's an immense cm loss. I am raging I didn't do a proper measure, although I did get my metabolic ages thing done earlier this year. I was...gulp...53. Ok, no big deal and no offence to anyone in their 50's but I was 38 at the time. It shook me. Not enough to get my weight down until I started 5:2 though! So glad I did

peplum41 Sat 07-Dec-13 14:02:50

Always worth getting tape measure out toffee, that's some fine shrinkage, esp round your waist.

turkey my disaster zone is my waist. Actually, my waist I can live with its the bumbag that sits beneath, flopping over the top of me knickers. Would be very interested to know if your hula hoop fixes that. Did you go for the smooth boy or the nobbley?

Loving those statsToffee - fantastic, well done you!

I've been pummelling the arse porridge on my bicycle saddle (and currently the sofa) to no avail - going to have to squish it into shape with squats for sure. I'll bring on the buttache while you hone by hoop!

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sat 07-Dec-13 14:18:06

I have reinstated the bedroom mirror so the full horrors of porridge arse and emblazoned on my retinas. Something must be done!

Hahaha! That really does make me laugh. Every word tickles me each time I read it!

I am in bath. Got in and water scalding as us girls like it! As I was hugging my knees to my chest while I adjusted to temperature change from freezing to boiled alive - I couldn't help but notice my shoulders. There's less of them! Still two obviously fgrin - I haven't lost an actual joint - but much less meaty! I'm calling it a NSV!

To go with lying in bed this morning .... Was stretching. I find stretching esp arms above head, really starts to wake up the innards if you get me, and I was desperate to move things along pre weigh in, but as I was doing it I couldn't stop thinking Oooh ribs! Ribby me! and... feel my little tummy! Was lovely, though dd who was next to me did ask with raised eyebrow 'Mummy why are you stroking yourself' fgrin - that just made me feel desperate and too lonely! fgrin fgrin

Papayasoup Sat 07-Dec-13 14:27:51

toffee those are amazing cm losses, well done! Especially considering all the control you have taken back.

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sat 07-Dec-13 14:28:26

Peplum I've got one of those bumbags!! Did you get it same place as me fwink

I went for smooth one. It's padded allegedly. Am actually looking forward to some bruising. I definitely think it will pummel fat. Apart from reviews commenting on it, I'm thinking... if massage is good for loosening fat then surely a hula hoop bouncing off the blub will have some effect??

Yeah Betsy let's get violent with the flab!!!!! Sounds like a new group of sadistic sag slayers is forming! Must work on name though - that's all I got in a hurry fgrin

Toffee those measurements are amazing! I get so excited hearing things like that. I measured myself last year for a dress fitting. Other than that I have no idea! Need to find that scrap of paper!!!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 07-Dec-13 14:33:04

grin Thank you.

I hope it gives hope to anyone who started like me - though obviously won't be as bad - who just couldn't get my head around what I had to do and how I was going to cope going without meals for hours and panicked at the first sign of hungry, but who the other day managed a 35 hour fast with unbelievable ease grin.

Papayasoup Sat 07-Dec-13 14:33:12

turkey you dd has made me chuckle! But I agree it's great to feel some rib and I remember how surprised I was when I felt a hip bone when lying down. Of course that doesn't happen on a Sunday so much after a weekend of eating or if I'm actually standing up. But I tell myself that is a good thing fgrin

MrsFlorrick Sat 07-Dec-13 14:33:20

Eatriskier!! Wow! You look amazing!! You're stunning in the red and black lace dress. Just incredible. And you look tiny! So slim. Congratulations my friend. smile

Turkey (((((hugs))))). Don't feel like that! I am
The worldst worst for posting loads of personal crap about myself and H. Afterwards I think. Oh no it's supposed to be a diet/way of eating support thread.
BUT it's a SUPPORT THREAD! And support is what you get here.
Because Turkey, these other folk here realise that over eating/biscuit binges/choc frenzies happen for loads of different reasons. And for some of us its relationships/ family which have made us dive into the snacks.

So please keep on posting. It's not tumbleweed. We're all happy to hear from you anytime.

Plenty of kind people here to offer support and advice.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 07-Dec-13 14:34:53

Those losses aren't since August I hasten to clarify!

HardOutHereForATitch Sat 07-Dec-13 15:04:11

Wow, this thread moves at the speed of light! Glad to see how supportive of each other and lovely you all are smile

Today is my first fast day, I'm playing it by ear so far, ate my advent calendar choc (had to!) and have had an options hot chocolate with semi skimmed, which I hadn't planned on but gosh, it is freezing at work!

Think I'll make today a 500/600 cals fast with a focus on liquids only but there's a friend's flatwarming party tonight I'd completely forgotten about. Not a big drinker by any means but can't refuse a teeny tiny mulled cider.

It's so great reading about the amazing success stories here. Exercise is something I need to get into in a big way, used to be a runner but haven't worked out for almost 2 years now blush

Talkinpeace Sat 07-Dec-13 15:38:34

Eatriskier
You look FANTASTIC ; you are definitely the poster girl for the butterfly emerging from the chrysalis.

Toffeesponge
That size reduction is deeply impressive and the fact that you are enjoying the process rather than resenting every day - as is the case with a 'normal' diet is even better

Turkey/cuckoo, Annie, MrsFlorrick and anybody else whose marriages are on the shaky side
Please remember that this thread is exactly the right place to analyse those issues
because weight gain / loss is so utterly tied up with how you feel about yourself and those around you that it is impossible to sort one without dealing with the other.
BUT
Taking control of a major aspect of your life : food and your relationship with it
will give you the tools to take control of other parts : work / kids / husbands money etc

I admit, I'm lucky. I'm married to the world's tallest 7 year old and like nothing more than to spend time with him. But its taken work and compromise and time.

Gah, big typo in that statement that amuses you so Turkey!

Confessional: I bought a tub of ben and jerry's - my DH is out again tonight so it's for me. Weight has actually gone up with healthy & low calorie NNN/D for the last many weeks so I've decided some seriously high calorie weekending is in order to shock my system. I may well have eaten too many mini mince pies today as well. They were blooming lovely.

And then tomorrow I'll start on the jiggle busting (again x too many times to count).

I'm very happy to see folks using this thread for their life/relationship woes - I think establishing control of our own body and appetite via 5:2 gives us a chance to think about all the other stuff in our lives. It's all part of unpicking the elaborate intertwining of food and emotions that is a common feature of so many people's lives. We are a support thread and although there are other 'designated' places these things could be posted, we know there'll be a sympathetic response here and sometimes that is exactly what's needed.

Do remember that although it doesn't always feel like it, this is public domain.

HardOutHereForATitch Sat 07-Dec-13 16:10:13

Meant to add before - you look absolutely fabulous EatRisky. What an inspiration!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 07-Dec-13 16:17:19

flowersflowersflowersflowersflowersflowersflowersflowers

You have all been so welcoming, patient and lovely. I can't thank you enough smile.

BsshBossh Sat 07-Dec-13 16:31:51

I'm very happy to see folks using this thread for their life/relationship woes - I think establishing control of our own body and appetite via 5:2 gives us a chance to think about all the other stuff in our lives. It's all part of unpicking the elaborate intertwining of food and emotions that is a common feature of so many people's lives.

The very wise Betsy sums it all up. What a wonderful thread this is smile

Toffee amazing inch loss there, well done.

Hurrah for all the other losses!

My recent NSV was realising how much I love baths now that my entire body can be completely submerged by the bubbly water. I hated baths when I was larger cause half my body would always be cold.

^ YY to baths - I realised I'd put on (a lot) of weight when my thighs and arse efficiently dammed the sides of the bath so that if I got in while the tap was running I could fill the tap end of the bath without letting water reach my head end. I have a big bath. fsad

postmanpatsreindeer Sat 07-Dec-13 18:50:56

well done turkey and toffee !

eat I'm looking forward to seeing your pic on my laptop. iPod won't do you justice!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 07-Dec-13 20:23:09

I thought I would try one of these stuff your face days I keep reading about. Picked Smarties. Had some. Feel bleurgh. Good that I recognised it but a bit sad I can't just stuff my face for fun anymore confused.

BsshBossh Sat 07-Dec-13 20:36:00

Toffee why don't you try some of your own baked goodies instead; much nicer than sickly sweet Smarties.

Coveredinweetabix Sat 07-Dec-13 20:41:05

A cheering tale for any of you worrying about Xmas weight gain.
Two weeks ago (24th Nov) I got down to 10st7. This was very exciting as it meant I should be able to get to my mini goal by my target date of 1st Dec, especially if I kept shredding which. I'd done every day the previous week. On both the Sat and Sun I went over me TDEE as I often do at the weekend. Fasted as usual on the Monday without any problems. Tuesday I aimed to stick to TDEE and did OK until around lunchtime when I just started demolishing cake, paused for chocolate and want back to cake. Weds fast went pear shaped. Thurs ate well over the TDEE. Fri fast also went pear shaped and I ate well over my TDEE. By the Sat (my official weigh in day and target date for mini goal) I was up to 10st11. I had a very social weekend with lots of eating & drinking I weighed in last Monday (2nd Dec) at 10st13! The only comfort was that I hadn't gone above 11st! To my surprise (and relief), I found it easy to stick to my fast on Mon and to my TDEE on Tues. On Weds my 500cal included two gin&tonics but the McD's cheeseburger took me over the limit. Thurs I was over TDEE but not far over. Fri I was about 650 cal. This morning, I dared step back on the scales and was delighted to be back at 10st7! Just a word of warning (and TMI alert) - I passed a lot of wind this week!

I was intending to come in and catch up on the whole thread but got to p2 and MrsF's comment about writing Christmas cards and realised that that was what I was supposed to be doing tonight so am off to get on with that.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 07-Dec-13 21:02:14

You are right, BsshBossh. I bought the smarties for someone else then found something better for them so have been just lying their for a week and I just thought I would have some. Should have just had a piece of my brownie. Cross now. Still feel bleurgh and a bit down too confused.

Talkinpeace Sat 07-Dec-13 21:02:29

weetabix
which YET AGAIN proves the point that rapid weight gain is not fat
it is undigested food and fluid
so if you get back to the fasting PDQ it never has a chance to settle on the hips and is gone in a jiffy

you do realise HOW hardcore we are all going to be in January fwink

<Dashes in from the gym, speed-reads very busy thread>

Toffee
Well done you. That's a fantastic loss in inches that will improve your health. You should be really proud, because you took charge of your eating and did this for yourself. You managed regular FDs, despite all the problems you've been suffering.
flowers
I agree with Bssh: eat your own cooking, not Smarties or other junk. If I could cook like you on FDs, Mr B & Mr J would be very lonely and unFrenzied. And I wouldn't have to eat reindeer.

Betsy I loved reading about porridge arse. You've coined another 5:2 phrase.

We really should consider making a list of our new vocabulary, not the stuff like FD etc, but the really important things for newbies to understand:
porridge arse, deviant porridge, ......<add your favourites>
hmm Hadn't realised before, that porridge was so prevalent in this WOL !

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 07-Dec-13 21:23:26

I didn't do much really. It was all you guys flowers. You all have kept me going. I just can't believe the change in me emotionally. Yesterday I went shopping in my skinny jeans and knee boots and saw myself in the M&S mirror and thought I looked really slim. I know it is all relative as I am 11 stone 3lbs but I was so fat before.

I feel the need to bake but it is a bit late now so I will think about what I shall make tomorrow. I have already made Tom's Bomb for the kids' pudding tomorrow but might make something that can go in their lunch boxes.

Talkinpeace Sat 07-Dec-13 21:26:26

(books meet up in Toffee's kitchen)

rubbishfamily333 Sat 07-Dec-13 21:30:45

Toffee - well done on your cm losses grin

So I am still to create the challenge thread on exercise section which I can do now, but not sure if I can link on here as I'm on my phone and my laptop seems to have given up completely hmmhmmhmm

I'm feeling miserable today really fed up, I think it's because it's nearly Christmas and it always makes me feel alone hmm

Anyway on a positive note I completed day one of the push up challenge and the squat challenge grin grin grin

I completely agree that Turkey, MrsF, Toffee or anyone else going through a tough time, should feel free to post about their problems in whatever detail they want. Noone needs to worry or apologise about doing this.

We are all in this WOL together, supporting each other in a lovely online 5:2 community. The best support is holistic, dealing with the whole person, rather than focusing only on the size of their tum and what they put in there.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 07-Dec-13 21:41:54

I felt blue too earlier, rubbish. Must be something in the air.

DCs put the tree up but one set of lights is broken and the other has to go in the bin as it is 240 volts so not safe. DH said I can get new ones though grin. I love lights. They are my favourite thing about decorations along with tinsel.

Rubbish Well done on starting the challenge so well. Do keep us informed, including about any aching cheeks etc !
fsmile
I'm sorry you feel lonely at this time of year. I'm alone now and it felt a bit odd the first couple of years, but I really don't mind now. I just order in advance all my favourite foods, books, hunk movies and enjoy a totally degenerate Christmas my way.
fgrin
I also take the opportunity of being off work to visit my favourite restaurants - remember a number of us have said there is no problem eating out on your own.
Today, I've just had a daring hair trim in preparation for a couple of Xmas parties at work and gym. I never act my age ! I must remember to post my Xmas pix so you can all enjoy my hairdo as well !
fsmile

rubbishfamily333 Sat 07-Dec-13 21:56:34

Toffee - Christmas does it to me every year! The last couple of years I took to drink a bottle of wine a couple of times per week alone confused I don't want to do that this year as I don't want to hinder my weightloss!

Well dd and I got the decorations out and will get our tree tomorrow or Monday.

Also we got the photo albums out and that made me feel sad too. Partly because when dd was about 1-2 I was slim and looked young and like I had a sparkle in my eye. Also because when I look back at alot of my photos I can remember alot of times I felt lonely in those photos, I was smiling etc but I know how I felt. I can clearly see this has caused me to comfort eat and I want to stop feeling lonely but I don't know how!

Sorry I know I sound depressing at the moment but it just Christmas confused

rubbishfamily333 Sat 07-Dec-13 22:01:08

Bigchoc - I think that's where I go wrong, I don't do what I want around Xmas like ordering films etc. I think this year I will try to do more of that. Sometimes I find myself feeling like I just don't know what I want to do.

Dd is only 6 so I can't expect her to decide grin

I often feel like I don't even know what makes me happy and often full my time doing things I think I should be doing! Then I just end up having wine and chocolate etc to compensate for not enjoying my time.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sat 07-Dec-13 22:22:26

rubbish there is so much pressure for everything to be perfect. Accept that is just marketing and let it go.

BsshBossh Sat 07-Dec-13 22:22:36

rubbish I think it's time you sat down, had a really good think, and compile a master list of all the nice things you want to do for yourself. Be very specific but no need to rush. Take the time to think it through. Then you'll never be at a loss over doing things that make you happy. It's like a bucket list but more immediate.

One of my favourite Christmases and New Year was spent 100% alone and I shopped for nice food and planned a lovely walk and good TV / pay-per-view movie and long luxury bubble bath soak and good book... I still try and do nice things for myself when DH is away or working late.

BsshBossh Sat 07-Dec-13 22:24:30

DH is quite good at this too. If I'm away he cooks a really nice meal for himself, puts good music on and reads the papers cover to cover! That's his idea of bliss smile

rubbishfamily333 Sun 08-Dec-13 00:27:52

Bssh - you sound very strong and independent. The funny thing is everyone thinks I'm strong and independent which I am but I also feel lonely at times.

Alot of things I enjoy doing are activities with other or going out. And when I have to be at home in the evenings with dd that's just not possible!

I will have a think of things I like to do as right now i feel lost and unsure. How odd to not know what you enjoy doing? grin

BsshBossh Sun 08-Dec-13 07:36:10

rubbish feeling lonely is normal. I've felt it keenly at many junctures in my life, but I've learned from my own experiences (or loneliness, sadness etc) I can make the choice to be nice to myself at the same time, to look after myself if no one else will, to do nice things for me.

I had cancer once that had spread into my lymphs and was a bugger to cure. It took 3 long years of treatment. My whole life went on hold and I felt very lonely, sad, angry, the works. But it was also during that time that I learned that I had the choice to do good things for myself. I've always been a glass half full person (and very independent by nature as I grew up a happy only child) but the experience did make me stronger and more confident.

I think all that is my very long-winded way of saying yes you're feeling lonely, but despite that you can also do nice things for yourself.

Emmabryant123 Sun 08-Dec-13 08:38:57

Just back from nyc with dh,
Oh my the food-
Frozen yoghurt, cakes, breakfast everyday although three days in a row I had oatmeal with raisins, banana, dried cranberries and pistachios. Mmm.
Two dinner of salad.
But I also enjoyed
Fries up
Starbucks hot chocs and cakes n biccies
Sandwiches
Chicken with BBQ sauce and corn bread and jacket pot
Ny cheesecake
Ben and jerries peanut butter waffle with banana peanut butter Ben and jerries and chocolate peanut butter swirl Ben and jerries (all their flavours over their wow about 100!) so jealous
Pretzels etc.
Hershey's chocolate
Their portions are amazing.

Yesterday ate just two bananas and a mini pack of mini cheddar a until 3pm then had hm fish cakes, huge heap of salad and hm coleslaw and a yogurt after, no idea how many calories yesterday.
Did two fasts after nyc.
And guess what I lost a pound after consuming 3,000 cal plus a day in nyc some days nearer 5,000!.
Might be the fact we walked 5-6 hours a day though :/

Bssh You are a really tough lady, to come through that long nightmare of cancer and then resume your life.
I'm so glad that life sounds a very happy and fulfilling one. You are a great role model for determination and self-confidence.
flowers flowers (({Big Hugs}))

I agree: It is very important to enjoy one's own company, (naturally also being with other people), because the relationship with self is the longest in every life and cannot be dissolved in the courts or otherwise <stating the totally obvious !>

We don't want to sit miserably, polishing our whips and studded leathers, with life on hold until the next hunk comes by.
I'm off to the gym soon, to thrash some more hunks. They're not my hunks, but who cares ?
fgrin

BsshBossh Sun 08-Dec-13 09:03:19

Emma welcome back! I love NYC and go most years (mainly to check out restaurants!). Yep, the food is amazing smile so well done for losing a lb.

BigChoc thank you.

rubbishfamily333 Sun 08-Dec-13 09:05:44

Bssh - wow that's a massive thing to go through and I feel like a bit of a whinger now as I've never had anything nearly as bad as that to go through and I can't imagine how hard it must have been. I can see what you mean as in it made you stronger though. It seems like you took something positive out of being so unwell. I agree that taking time to be kind to yourself is important and I will try to find out what I like to do so I can make myself happy alone grin

rubbishfamily333 Sun 08-Dec-13 09:08:09

Emma - wow all that food and you lost a pound? That's amazing grin

Bigchoc - thrashing hunks sounds like fun wink

Southeastdweller Sun 08-Dec-13 10:24:47

<comes up for air and waves to everyone>

Hi all. Back after a stressful time in between digs - the London rental market is brutal! Moving into my new permanent place next weekend and staying in North London at the moment. It's been tough but I haven't succumbed much to emotional overeating which wouldn't have been the case pre-5:2. Been eating out a lot and little time for the gym but I've consciously 'closed the kitchen down' early on most days and with that, not much pigging out and running round the city I've maintained which I'm really happy about.

Just had a veggie breakfast out - with fried halloumi which was fabulous - and looking forward to a coffee with a slice of cake later whilst I read the papers if I can get a seat.

I'll be online later at a desktop so will catch up then and see everyone's latest pics.

emma The walking in New York can offset thousands of calories a day of food consumption, which is one reason of many of why I adore the place. How did you find the shopping? Those waffles sound heavenly...

rubbishfamily333 Sun 08-Dec-13 10:49:48

Where have all my fellow 30 day challengers gone? Come and join me on my exercise thread as I look like a little loner at the moment confused I did my exercises yesterday and squats already this morning grin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sun 08-Dec-13 10:50:53

(((*Rubbish*))) Bless you! This time of year is so bittersweet isn't it! Everywhere you look there is such a contrast of images to stir up the emotions too!!
I can only second Bssh in two ways... You really should try to make a plan of how your're going to 'get through' the festivities. Make it a positive special time for you and your dd, with lots of self indulgence and pampering.

Also going on the making choices vein.... One of the things in one of the hypnotherapy c.ds I've been banging on about, was explaining how our subconscious is programmed by our responses and reactions to things. If in the past we have dealt with or reacted to a situation in a certain way, the chances are, when that situation arises again, our learnt behaviour will repeat itself.

Because whilst our conscious mind is maybe trying to deal with things a new positive way, our subconscious mind is still programmed by the past, which is why it can feel very difficult to maintain/sustain new attitudes and behaviours.

Other than trying the hypnotherapy approach smile I can only offer from this, that it will take some new programming by yourself. If you can keep slogging away at trying a new approach/attitude to the whole Christmas time experience, using Bssh's advice for example, then after a while, your subconscious will learn that this is the new way you react to this time of year and in the future those negative, damaging feelings that arise automatically when the season begins, should be a thing of the past!

Hope that didn't sound like a load of waffle!! I guess the short version is, you won't always feel like this. But it is the choices you make that can really make a difference to your internal computer for future as well as current benefit.

This applies to our attitudes to everything really. I'm sure we can all identify with how the longer we are on this woe/wol the easier our mind/body finds it, and how our bad habits are reduced. Because our programming has changed through repetition.

On the same note as BigChocs 'stating the obvious' comment - I really hope that isn't what I have just done fgrin

Which by the way BigChoc - I loved your comment. And all of your input. Please don't hesitate on the STO front because I for one need/love that kind of reiteration. Sometimes we can't see the woods for the trees, and suddenly somebody will say something in a way that just clicks! So keep on keeping on, just the way you are! X

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sun 08-Dec-13 11:07:38

Bssh - You truly are a remarkable woman. And you are the poster girl for taking a massively difficult and frightening life changing experience and coming out of the other side using the experience to enhance your future life, by taking so many lessons from it.

I have always tried to live by the rule of taking the positive out of every situation. There is always one. Even if it is just to say I will use this for good/I am stronger now/I have learnt something about life.

It sounds like this is exactly what you have done. Your attitude to things in general and your calm/at peace attitude to life pours out of your posts.

I wish you a future of health and happiness, and really hope you never have to see the hideous face of cancer ever again. Well done you for taking charge of your health through 5:2 and for doing so bloomin well with it! And thank you for being such a positive and wise force on this thread for everybody's benefit.

I'm sure it has been anything but easy for you to come through so much, but you really are giving a fantastic example of how life can be lived, with the right mindset!

thanks thanks [dhbakery] [little choc shop in london] thanks

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sun 08-Dec-13 11:09:39

Rubbish and all..... I have to go out now so exercise tonight tomorrow but I will be on it regularly from tmw. Just a busy day ahead. But I will squat even if it's just while cooking dinner later fgrin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sun 08-Dec-13 11:14:56

One last word.....

I bloody love you lot!

.... not a drop has passed my lips. Honest. Just needed to be said!

rubbishfamily333 Sun 08-Dec-13 11:16:16

Thanks turkey, I think I do need to change the way I think and I might give hypnosis a go! How often do Tig listen to the CDs? I tried the Paul McKenna one for weightloss and was meant to listen every night. I fell alert and I don't think it really worked for me.

Love that attitude Bssh.

BsshBossh Sun 08-Dec-13 11:48:53

Turkey thank you.

rubbish try and find a NLP book at the library or online. It's a great method for reframing thoughts for the positive. NLP - neuro-linguistic programming

Right, I'm off to a big birthday bash. Lots of food though I still have this blasted cold so won't be eating as much as I want to.

BsshBossh Sun 08-Dec-13 11:51:51

Oh dear. The Wikipedia article on NLP isn't very favourable, calling it a discredited pseudoscience. I personally have found it very useful though so the pseudoscience tag is irrelevant (to me).

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 08-Dec-13 12:20:11

rubbish - I have the Pm I can.... make you thin, mend your broken heart and make you happy and the first two are the ones I have read and listened too. They helped but I barely lost a pound. He helped emotionally a bit with food but nowhere near as much as you guys and the broken heart thing used to need more help up to recently.

Feeling hungry today. Had some cheese but holding out for a lovely roast dinner I cam currently cooking. I have put in my new phone to fast on Mondays and start a 36 hour fast on Wednesday night. I am quite looking forward to it shock.

Heart goes out to all you guys having such a touch time with relationships and health. I wish you all the best. I'm not best places to offer any advice as thankfully I have not been through it myself but this thread is amazing for all the support you have at your fingertips (literally).

I'm fast becoming a fan of the 36 hour LOF. In the last 2 weeks I've managed to do 2 of them (one brought on by illness, the other intended) and its really helped kick me off my plateau. Now at 10st 6 (as per Sat morning) for first time I can remember without having cut out any major food groups or doing dodgy milkshake replacement plans. I'm so pleased! Although after last nights party and with lots of left over rubbish to finish off I will need a few fasts this week to rebalance.

The good news is that I feel absolutely no guilt and no worries that I will 'fall off the wagon'.

NSV my belt seems to be going one notch smaller smile

I had hypnotherapy several years ago. That's how I managed to go 10 months without eating chocolate. It never quite worked for weight loss in general, but it was worth a try!

I'm half way through squat challenged but missed a few days. You've all motivated me to get back to it again! Which press up challenge are you doing? Do you have a link? My arms need a really good seeing to and I get bored doing JM more than a few times.

Hi ALL,
a little update from me. I had my weekly weigh in on Friday morning(post wee ,naked, pre breakfast as always) and Ive another low of 9st 10lbs.(20 llbs down since starting 5:2) Ive been pretty much static for the past few weeks, so VERY pleased with that. So pleased in fact that Ive uploaded a photo as promised TIP in my party frock just before I went out to my works Xmas 'do'.
I tried to find a pre 5:2 pic but I don't actually have one of me on my own . It was wonderful going out in a dress that was a pleasure to shop for !For the last 10 plus years Ive kind of dreaded shopping for a dress for an event-Ive always felt so matronly and meh!!! I felt fabulous on my night out and had lots of compliments.
Only 3 lbs to go to target -Come on everyone get your photos loaded!

Just back from the gym: spin, then weights , followed by my first Xmas party of the year, which was a gym buffet. I only had a few small canapes on pumpkin bread, because I was breaking a 38-hr sub-200 fast, which included spin yesterday and today's spin plus a few weights. So, I was not tempted by the mulled wine or the massive number of choc cookies.
fshock
I've since scoffed a double portion of kebab and salad (hooray for NFDs !), but only ate one portion of chips. I had 2 pots of rice pud, but only a moderate amount of frozen choc and orange yoghurts. No ice cream.
fshock
Kitchen is now closed, so I'll be slightly sub-TDEE today. This week I was pretty disciplined except for Friday and even that was sub-4000 (just), so I don't count it as a real Frenzy. I've kept to NND.
5:2 has definitely improved my habits, even though you probably all still think I'm very greedy!
fsmile
So, yes I have my Xmas pics, but none of us were wearing our party gear and I'm hanging from the rafters or holding heavy weights ! I'll have to edit and post them tomorrow (my zero-cal FD lunch) because my gym pal who took them for me had a few mugs of the mulled wine, so every photo has heads or bottoms coming out of walls and plant pots.
fsmile
My only other 2013 Xmas party will be outdoors, so I'll be layered like Michelin woman, rendering photos pointless.

Talkinpeace Sun 08-Dec-13 16:54:01

headintheclouds you look fantastic
buff your nails and polish that smile

for those feeling lonely at crimble
I've not done it but single friends have
serving meals and generally arsing about for homeless shelters and old people homes can be utterly uplifting - and provide networks who last because they are by choice not blood

many of the people in soup kitchen type places have grandkids they never see, so if you take your kids they will be spoilt rotten and appreciated (in safety because you are there) and made to feel more valued than they ever have before
and you get to grin at their happiness

and Christmas starts to mean something again
just a thought

Well done on the new SV, HeadIn. You look beautiful, so elegant in your party frock. No wonder you recvd all those compliments, thoroughly deserved.

Bssh NLP may be one of those things that help some individuals but not others; hence why it doesn't show up well in the statistics.

Established medical opinion is occasionally wrong (think how long before HRT problems were found). I also disagree with their blanket panning of supplements / vitamins and their pushing of statins, also the low fat / high carb diet for all.

peplum41 Sun 08-Dec-13 17:02:52

Hi rubbish what's this thread you've started? That must have passed me by somehow.
Mincepies

((southeast)) hope you like your new pad (and neighbours aren't feral).
Mincepies.

weetabix great post, I think a few are nervously regarding the approaching feasts and fearing the worst for their waistline. I've avoided mincepies so far. I love them.

And emma glad nyc was a great trip,would love to go there. Just to go to the land of Ben and jerrys. Mincepies.

Oh I need Mincepies!!

FD today, didn't feel like it this morning, but it had to be today or not til Thursday, plus I ate loads last night at friends, including pizza and some baileys cake thing.

Here is a less well-known danger of being overweight:

Drugs are developed for the 'average' person, e.g. 'normal' weight. Clinical trials often exclude those outside a healthy BMI. Hence, some medicines may not work properly for them.

This recent study is an example:

ScientificAmerican

The emergency contraceptive / morning-after pill is completely ineffective for women who weigh more than 176 pounds (12st 8); its effectiveness starts to fall in women over 165 pounds (11st. 11).

These pills use a compound called levonorgestrel to prevent pregnancies taking hold.

Tip: Maybe mention this to your logically-challenged sparring partner in your ongoing Fat and Healthy battle ? Sounds like we should avoid her passing on those illogical genes too often !

peplum41 Sun 08-Dec-13 17:26:20

bshh inspiring posts earlier, also glad you're now healthy.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 08-Dec-13 17:56:42

Just had dinner of cold left overs. Now I can not wait to fast tomorrow as feel full, not too full, but I know if I ate everything on my plate I would start too. Me not being able to wait to go without food shock.

On the subject of mince pies, I make my own mince meat and will make the first pies next week I think.

Southeastdweller Sun 08-Dec-13 18:18:02

eatriskier You're looking really wonderful in your latest pic. As I've said before it's like looking at two different people on your profile page.

peplum41 Sun 08-Dec-13 18:36:05

toffee would appreciate mincemeat recipe.

I'm sure I can declare todays fast a success! Discovered a can of bean and barley soup by suma is only 108 cals for entire tin. Needed some spices and a dash of Nandos Peri Peri sauce, but ok. Pleased as felt starved this morning, but decided to keep going until lunch, then felt fine.

mariarossa been meaning to say hi all weekend! You must be the champion of lurkers. Don't retreat back there, your post was fascinating.

Goes back to thinking about Mincepies.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 08-Dec-13 19:08:31

Mincemeat

1/2lb/ 8oz/226g cooking apples
1/2lb currants
1/2lb stoned raisins
1/2lb sultanas
4oz glace cherries
4oz chopped mixed peel
4oz shelled walnuts
8oz shredded suet
1 lb Demerara sugar
2 tsp mixed spice
3-4 fl oz brandy or rum

Peel, core and shop the apples.
Mix in a large bowl the dried fruit with the nuts and apple.
Blend in the suet, sugar and spice.
Add enough brandy or rum to make a moist mixture.
Cover the bowl with a cloth and leave for 48 hours to allow the fruit to swell.
Stir well and put the mince meat into clean jars. Seal and cover as for jam.

BsshBossh Sun 08-Dec-13 19:48:19

ChristmasPudding well done for smashing through your plateau.
Head you look terrific!

I haven't exercised in more than a month but tomorrow when I awake I'll be donning my gym gear. I think my pelvic floor is ready. Cardio and weights. But slowly slowly does it. Can't wait!

FD tomorrow too. Woohoo!

Talkinpeace Sun 08-Dec-13 19:56:10

Southeast glad you are settled for Christmas that man.
Moving houses is a bugger (remembers sleeping on the floor in a YMCA for 2 months) : buy yourself a couple of baubles, "acquire" the spare brances from your area and make a belter of a decoration
and well done on not retreating into emotional eating through stress
you are a star
need a pic of you looking amazing for crimble (might even let you off the frock bit !!)

* Bssh*, Toffee I'm FDing tomorrow too and presumably the regular Monday crowd. It does feel like a nice clean start to the week.

Btw: I do alternate weeks of either Fri +Mon FDs or Sat+Tue, plus I've added 2 mini-FDs, which also very accordingly. I like the variety. Anyone else switch things around ?

peplum41 Sun 08-Dec-13 20:06:41

I missed a bit of the last page.

hitc wow You look all in and out in the right places. Have you got any from last years Xmas do, for your own personal comparison- ooh matron!

bcf your photos sound intriguing. I don't know what goes on at that place you euphemistically refer to as a "gym" , but there's none of that carry on at mine.

peplum41 Sun 08-Dec-13 20:10:41

Thanks toffee, will give it a go. Might sneak a bit more ale in, and use veggi suet of course.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 08-Dec-13 20:11:18

Was telling DH if I didn't eat anything else (namely choc chip cookies) I could do a 24 hour fast from my dinner tonight at 6.30 to tomorrow night when dinner would be nearer 7.30pm. He said oh, start tomorrow and then I was thinking no and then he didn't want a biscuit so I decided I wouldn't bother and he was denying me food grin. I am sat imagining a cookie and how lovely it would be and I don't want one as I can still feel dinner and I am not hungry.

I know, I know I am so boring with all the realisations but I just can't believe the change in me. Where have I gone? Where is the woman who had a battle with food for years when I ate to hurt others when it was only me being hurt.

dingdongduckyfuzz Sun 08-Dec-13 20:11:47

Bssh good to hear you are healthy and a survivor - plenty of it in the females of my family so I cross my fingers every time I visit the doc

Southeast glad you have somewhere to call home

Everyone else - I've lost track of your loveliness, forgive me?!

Went to cinema to see frozen today, lovely film, if a little more musical than I'd expected - recommended if you need a little seasonal cheer

Snce then, coq au vin with roasties, nibbles galore, too much wine...FD tomorrow though!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 08-Dec-13 20:23:44

peplum41 - yes, I used vegetarian suet but do be careful with the alcohol. Haven't made them for a few years I would say that with 4 fl oz you wouldn't really want too much more booze in them.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 08-Dec-13 20:29:43

Another tip is to turn the jars upside down and back again every couple of days.

Toffee thanks for the recipe. I've never thought of making my own mincemeat before. Fed up of being disappointed by mince pies not coming up to scratch each year as the manufacturers alter recipes to save a few pennies in costs or add a new posh sounding ingredient so they can charge a premium.
I also love the way we can share notes/recipes on proper food and lose weight without having to settle for the low fat low taste rubbish we've been 'treating' ourselves with on all those low cal diets!!

hitc gorgeous lady in a gorgeous dress, looking fabulous

Apologies to anything I've missed, been mega busy and this thread zooms. Just made myself a giant stew pot of spiced butternut squash and lentil soup, waiting for it to cool a bit so I can whizz it up. Then bed.

Where did my weekend go????

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Sun 08-Dec-13 21:05:22

I make mince meat every year and every year I am surprised how easy it is to make and I do think it is nicer than shop bought mincemeat in a jar and the finished pies are nicer than shop ones grin.

somewherebecomingrain Sun 08-Dec-13 21:14:22

eatriskier wow! That must feel good wearing that dress!

bsssh wow in a different way. That is a truly life changing experience.

turkey you actually make me laugh out loud so please feel free to post anything!

I do think that there is good info/support in other parts of mn but that isn't to say stop talking on here.

I'm plateauing again but think it will happen when it happens.

Fasting tomorrow so see you lot then.

TheRaniOfYawn Sun 08-Dec-13 21:18:22

Hello. I'm jumping in to say hello as I'm going to try fasting tomorrow for the first time. I had a stomach bug last week and lost my appetite so I thought I might as well take advantage of being out the habit of eating.

I'm quite nervous though and am a bit worried that I will feel sick or get incredibly grumpy.

Talkinpeace Sun 08-Dec-13 21:43:18

RaniofYawn
Welcome aboard
Monday fasts are a great way to start : lots of us fast on a Monday
the main thing on your first try is
a) drink LOTS especially water
b) avoid sugar and carbs as they make you hungry
c) if you find that its all too much then eat and try again another day as there is NO FAILURE

BsshBossh Sun 08-Dec-13 22:19:50

Rani welcome! You'll be in good company tomorrow as it's a popular fasting day. Pop in and out when you can and we'll support each other through the fast.

annielewis Sun 08-Dec-13 22:27:17

Hi everyone - have just speed read the thread - I don't know where to start! You are all so lovely and looking more gorgeous with every new batch of pics! I've had a nutty busy weekeknd, was out at a birthday party last night but forgot to take a pic. Got a xmas one coming up so will do a re-do.

Excited as my hoop arrived yesterday turkey you are going to love it!! I hada go yesterday and it is fab! So much easier than non weighted ones and I can tell its going to be a bit addictive in the element of trying to keep it going for more than a few minutes!!

Anyway I have over done it this weekend and haven't really bothered counting cals so was thinking of doing a LOF tomorrow - haven't done one before but thought I would not eat anything 'solid' now until breakfast time Tuesday.

What do you all have on your LOF's? Am not really up for black tea/coffee but reckon I can do it easily in white tea and coffee and bovril with tabasco.

Does this sound doable???

Well done on all your NSv's - I'm looking forward to that skinny feeling, also don't like having baths as feel cold and don't really like looking at my porridgy bits.

turkey and betsy (or was it TiP) I have one of those sodding bumbagss too...... grin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sun 08-Dec-13 22:41:34

TheRani Hello!
Don't worry about it. Just start the day - use all the tips on here to help. If you don't make it through day - so what! Just do what you can, ease yourself in, it will come!

We all start differently, yet we all tend to get there one way or another! Good luck!

BigChoc I'm always open to a bit of mixing it up. Variety is the spice of life an' all that, and I do like it spicy! My weeks are largely dictated by what's occurring. Pref is mon and wed for max flexibility, but it does vary from week to week with no probs so far.

Am loving the pics so far. Can't wait to see more. Think I'll just don every xmassy garment can find as I won't be wearing a frock for anything. Will have face blanked though as I might've 'over shared' on here slightly fgrin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sun 08-Dec-13 22:51:07

Oooh! AnnieL - I am excited now hearing that!! Hopefully will be here tmw. I am only really now finding out how good they are supposed to be for backs too, so am doubly pleased as that is a real problem area for me. So excited to think I'm going to batter the fat whilst helping my back at same time fgrin

LOF - I did two fd last week where on f day 1 I had liquid only plus one tiny apple and sq of choc. F day 2 liquid only plus two sq choc. Both times food was consumed after 24 hrs of no solids. It seemed to work for me. Came in under 250 both days and I really preferred it to fd days with proper solids.

Don't think I'll go back now. Though always nice to know ... I could eat if I wanted to.

Breadandwine Sun 08-Dec-13 23:08:50

Hi folks!

Some heart-warming stories (and lovely pics!) on here, as usual. Please don't worry about over-sharing, this thread is the right place to unload.

Lovely to see new fasters on here - take it easy and it'll all fall into place. This WOL rocks!

LOF underway here as well - just water and black coffee for me tomorrow, with perhaps a mug of cocoa (no milk) tomorrow night.

TheRaniOfYawn Sun 08-Dec-13 23:22:36

I love my hoop, but only really use it in the summer as I don't have enough space to use it indoors.

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Sun 08-Dec-13 23:57:57

Rani (shouting) What's wrong with ya!! Get outside you wimp!! We're all hardcore exercisers on here. Except BigFlop of course, who is soooo lazy! fwink

....... although..... We have had talk on here before of lower temperatures burning more cals....

Maybe we should crank the regime up a bit...

(in absence of BCF gets mega phone out)....

Bumbag Fasters! - Hoops out at dawn, in yer knickers, in yer gardens! Be there or live with the shame of porridge arse/gut FOREVER fshock fblush fshock

thinkcan Mon 09-Dec-13 07:53:54

Bssh I am totally in awe of what you have achieved, not just in terms of weight loss, but also in overcoming your illness and coming through with such a fantastic attitude. We are so lucky to have you prodding us along in our personal journeys.

Here's my statistics which I hesitated to post earlier as it is really isn't that inspiring:
Age :57, Height : 5 ft 1 in
SW : 130 lbs BMI 25.5 in January 2013
CW. : 117 lbs BMI 22.8
GW : 112 lbs BMI 22

It's been a slow journey but I am at the lowest weight I have been in over 20 years. While the weight loss has not been spectacularly fast, I am happy that I have managed to lose the inevitable weight gains when I am on holidays or have house guests. I reckon I am in better shape than I was in my thirties as I have built strong muscles during this year through weight sessions at the gym and lots of hill work in my hiking and biking sessions. I have dropped 2 clothes sizes down and now fit comfortably into US size 2 which I believe is UK size 6.

BsshBossh Mon 09-Dec-13 08:13:20

Thank you thinkcan. And well done on the terrific BMI reduction.

FD today for me. Will check in periodically. Really don't feel like it today though (feeling poorly)... But will be trying some exercise today which hopefully will bring my energy levels up a bit: bit of walking, bit of weights.

bssh You are one impressive and wonderful woman. Sorry you're feeling rubbish today though.

I'm feeling below par today as well - cold looming I suspect. But a busy day ahead so I won't get a chance to think about it until tonight.

Fast day today.

annielewis Mon 09-Dec-13 09:29:58

Morning all! So, haven't eaten since 8 last night and am planning to do a LOF til tomorrow morning. Am feeling good about it after a weekend of over indulgence!

bssh and * betsy* hope you feel better soon. I'm stuck at home with 2 snotty kids today, so much going around at this time of year!

annielewis Mon 09-Dec-13 09:33:24

thinkcan I don't know why you think those aren't impressive stats! Slow and steady and keeping it off are just as impressive to me because the whole point is that I need to know this is sustainable long term!

I am impatient though and want to get to 'goal' dress size so I can buy nice clothes, feel reluctant at moment because I know I'm going to lose more so doesn't seem worth spending!! grin

Welcome to thread! Where abouts are you geographically?

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Mon 09-Dec-13 09:49:40

Morning everyone

Crikey, there are some amazing stories here I'm in awe, I really am

I'm sitting here in my running gear waiting for someone to boot my (shrinking) arse out of the door, got 4lbs to lose in the next fortnight so LOFD for 24hrs started at 10pm last night

if I can lose that bit extra I think I'll go into next year only being overweight instead of obese according to BMI!

annielewis Mon 09-Dec-13 10:02:39

Oi bennetgirl get your arse moving!!! You KNOW you can do it!!!

What have you got to lose? Oh yeah that's right, 4lb!!! gringrin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Mon 09-Dec-13 10:19:57

Morning All...

Fd here too. Carrying on my liquidish only. Definitely seems to be working. Between that and cutting out bread as much as poss, things are noticably flatter.

There is definitely lots going around. I'm waiting for one to kick in properly here. Been a right grumpy git on and off this weekend. Poor dd!
My ears have gone and lots of sinus headaches too, causing my volume levels to be all over the place, and so my patience levels (with anything) are very up and and down! As result I've become a schizophrenic neurotic screamer fgrin

Lots of apologies in our house this weekend!

thanks to all those under weather. Hopefully it will mean it's gone for the holidays??!.. Here's hoping anyway!

Bssh I'm certain once you get back on the exercise, that endorphin rush will wash over you and recharge the mental batteries. You have obviously missed your exercise and being deprived of something you enjoy is demoralising enough, without the loss of the added benefits it brings both mentally and physically. Enjoy!! And I hope your floors stay put fwink

Good luck all Monday fasters!
Get well all poorly peeps!
And chin up all those a bit down, hope you feel better soon thanks

Oh and you're ALL sacked for missing this mornings garden workout!! Father Christmas is watching y'know!

My mobility is much worse and as a result my weight has crept up, so I'm getting back on the wagon. Going for ADF to kick start this time, having done 5:2 before.

Have to eat in morning and evening to take tablets, so have had a banana, satsuma and some smoked salmon for breakfast, will then have tea at about 4.

Havent actually weighed today as scales are broken, but I'll know if its going the right way when my clothes start to fit again smile

annielewis Mon 09-Dec-13 10:38:18

(waves at new people)

rubbish can you link to your exercise challenge group again - I can't find it and didn't click on your original link!

Have done hooping last two days but only for a few minutes really, ie less than 10.

Am going to start the squat challenge today I think (bye bye porridge arse)

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl Mon 09-Dec-13 10:42:46

Thanks annie, have been and back again now

Only did half what I ran on friday, but that's still over a mile!

<fingers in ears about illness. That is NOT going to happen chez Bennet>

Hopefully

MrsFlorrick Mon 09-Dec-13 11:59:44

Hello everyone!

It
Moves so fast here!!

Weekend was all about DC. Two birthday parties to attend at soft plays. And we took them to Westfield Stratford to the Elves Workshop which they loved and then dinner at GBK. I was restrained. Only had a burger and water. And I had fasted all day. It would have been a mini fast if I hadn't ruined it later by scoffing chocs. hmm

It's meant to be a FD here. Won't be a liquid one tho. Had some 150cal veg mini Vietnamese roll things from M&S. just too hungry to not have anything. Besides felt sort of shaky.

I am aiming under 500 but I could easily slip today. Just very strangely hungry.

Probably not helping myself by ordering my Christmas Ocado! Have spent most of the morning thinking about yummy Christmas foods/dinner. grin

Will be back later to have a natter with you all. Need to attend to DS who is smushing tuna sandwich all over the kitchen. confused

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Mon 09-Dec-13 12:41:17

Hello everyone smile

Will be doing a LOF of 24 hours just on water and then will make a decision whether to stretch it to a 36 hour fast.

I am frozen. Have a t-shirt, a top, a cardigan and a jumper on plus the blanket on my feet.

Worrying about DS1. Has been given a detention for something he has meant to have done when the teacher hasn't even spoken to him shockhmm. It then transpires that the person he has been accused of not being very nice too has been attacking him verbally for months and given out information on him which has then been used in a totally inappropriate way. I am always prepared to back the school up with detentions, etc but they need to talk to DS1 too and make sure the other people are disciplined as they have behaved much worse than DS1.

In other news, my phone keeps saying my email password is incorrect when it is letting me use the same one on my lap top so if anyone can help please so as I am getting fed up and need to have email access all the time atm.

Good luck to all fasters!

Dotty342kids Mon 09-Dec-13 12:44:05

Morning all!

Eatriskier and hitc you both look AMAZING! Just wow. You must feel so chuffed with yourselves.
I have no idea how to add photos on here but promise to give it a try asap.

Turkey and Annie I'm a regular hooper, and also did the 30 day squat challenge a few months ago. Can't say as I noticed much difference but had a real sense of achievement by the end of it! smile

I have the padded hoop. Brace yourselves for some quite major bruising and tenderness at the start. I did a few mins on Day 1 and couldn't go near it again for another 5 days, it was so sore. But it gets much better, quite quickly and it's fun to do. Off to do mine whilst watching Friday night's Eastenders episode, now grin

MariaRossa Mon 09-Dec-13 14:11:26

Ooh Peplum - just came on to catch up with the weekend's posts, and read your message - gave me quite a start! (That's me! I have clearly reverted into habitual lurker mode!) I have spent so many lunch breaks reading the back threads I'm really not accustomed to being up to date. Might be forced into doing something healthier with the time. BigChoc thanks for the info re exercise and mental health - as a mildly depressed person with a shocking memory, I obviously need to step up the exercise to ward off trouble smartish! I should go out for a walk - the sun's out, and I could think about 5:2 - that way I could combine them both...

BsshBossh Mon 09-Dec-13 14:22:31

Just come back from an hour's powerwalking in the crisp sunshine and feel terrific but tired. Am now running a hot bath before school pick up. Didn't have the energy to do a weights routine but I will attempt again tomorrow on an NFD. Still LOFing away but DH is making shakshouka tonight so I may have that without the egg. See if I need the fuel or not.

Dotty342kids Mon 09-Dec-13 14:30:22

ooh, what's shakshouka?

annielewis Mon 09-Dec-13 14:51:04

God I'm in a bad mood! Mention LOF and the world (ok, H and kids) conspire against you and decide to be as cuss awkward as possible.

Have to keep muttering 'i can eat it tomorrow' to myself. Am mainlining hot drinks.

How is everyone else doing today? I may have to turn this into a 500 day if things don;t improve...

Would love to be having a bath bssh - enjoy it. I would be doing the same except my DS is obsessed with the kitchen bin today and my DD is intent on taking all framed photos off the wall 'to rearrange them Mummy' and both are being like clingmonsters as both not well.

Hope everyone else is doing ok - think I might escape to the gym one H is home....

thinkcan Mon 09-Dec-13 14:55:53

annielewis Thank you for your kind comments. I am currently based in Indonesia. I have actually been following these threads for months but rarely add my comments, partly because my time is a little out of sync with most of you. I thoroughly enjoy reading what everyone has to say though and I am sure I would have given up on this WOE months ago had it not been for the support here. I should mention that I don't usually do the 5:2, as I find 16:8 fits my lifestyle better.

Talkinpeace Mon 09-Dec-13 15:09:11

For anybody who gets any form of Seasonal depression : its SUNNY - nip outside, do some hula hopping and get that hit of vitamin D that will make you all feel better.

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Mon 09-Dec-13 15:28:46

I'm doing alright today on only coffee so far. Not remotely hungry either. In fact I had a pretty well behaved weekend too. Survived yesterday on only a Cornish pasty from the Cornish West company wotsit shop. Plus a gingerbread latte. Was stuffed all day after that!

Same sat really. Couldn't decide what wanted all day. Ended on one chicken wing, 2 ribs handful wedges and bit coleslaw. Didn't eat it all either.

Could be related to feeling the start of a cold. And on a completely TMI note.... I sharted on Saturday! Thankfuckfully I'd just got out of the bath and was headed to loo anyway!!

So might have bit of bug! Bit scared now to expel any excess air fshock fgrin

So not much of an appetite here! Sorry to those struggling today.

I am really starting to wonder about cycles and eating habits too. I only finished P few days ago. I'm sure last mth I found it easier at this point too, but put it down to my tummy issues.

I do get the raging hunger on other fd's, so I think I'm going to start a diary of hunger/mood/m.cycle to see what kind of patterns there are. Always useful to be in tune with body. Forearmed is forewarned an' all that!

TMI Turkey! Well good job it's a fast day, it's put me right off!

Public service announcement: Peanut Hottie is currently half price in Sainsburys! I love the taste though I mix it with Barley Cup (1 tsp of each) or it's too sweet for me.

Also on the hot, sweet drink theme, I bought some gingerbread coffee syrup today - I'll be making my own gingerbread lattes at the weekend! Yum.

Was going to be liquid only 24 hour fast (ie no food from yesterday's dinner with a sub 500 calorie dinner today) but ended up eating a small apple and a satsuma after my miso soup lunch. Fairly minimal damage though. Currently cooking up some chilli for dinner which I'll eat with a small jacket potato and lots of salad.

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Mon 09-Dec-13 17:01:54

I had loosely planned to fast today (last week) but somehow never actually started fasting! confused Just got up and ate as normal hmm

How do you get 'ready' in your head for a fast day?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Mon 09-Dec-13 17:14:51

Quick question as have to run out again

At 6.30pm I will have done a LOF. Is there any advantage to be gained by doing another 12 hours after that bearing in mind I need to lose another stone and tend to plateau every now and again. If I did have dinner it would be one jacket potato with salmon flavour Philly if it isn't too high in calories. I don't want to me too obsessed, I can see myself becoming a bit obsessive about how long I can fast for hmmshock.

Talkinpeace Mon 09-Dec-13 17:22:54

Funnyfestive
routine frankly : I almost never eat on a Monday, and do not have food for breakfast even on NFDs

toffee
have some soup or something
or have the jacket spud with something lower fat, like sweetcorn or tuna
its about striking a balance

there's a girl at the gym who is DANGEROUSLY underweight and getting more so (engagement broken off about three months ago) please do not let your desire for control tip in the ED direction .....

TheRaniOfYawn Mon 09-Dec-13 17:24:45

First fast day has been fine so far. I've had lots of herbal tea and a couple of mugs of veg bouillon and I've had no real urge to eat any more. I have veg and chick peas with harisssa roasting in the oven ready for dinner. This feelsv like a pretty sustainable way of eating, although I'll have to see how it goes when I have pms.

I went running today which was nice. For anyone here who wants to get more active in a gentle way, I'm very excited that the new game from the team who make Zombies Run is coming out on Wednesday. This one is based on walking instead of running.

FunnyFestive Try it tomorrow instead - tonight, close the kitchen after your meal - that will give you a head start as you will be fasting from then on. Leave a note for yourself on the kettle to remind you in the morning! Log on here for chat and support. Plan your day's eating in advance. Try and keep busy and when you feel hungry have a hot drink and see if you can wait it out another 20mins before eating.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Mon 09-Dec-13 17:27:41

Thank you TIP. I was disappointed when you said to eat and that I should have tuna instead but then I realised I can have the philly tomorrow and enjoy it much more than the tiny spoonful I would have allowed myself tonight.

I very much doubt I would ever get too thin but I will keep an eye on myself as I don't want to become obsessive and too controlling. I don't feel I am controlling but I know MIL thinks I am (but that is due to having no say at all with anything when I was growing up and feel I have a lot of time to make up. I want to control what my children have etc so that they don't go without. That sounds bad but it isn't meant to be.)

EarSlaps Mon 09-Dec-13 17:34:39

Poor you with the sharting Turkey sad. DH had a funny tummy yesterday too. So much going around at the moment, I'm just waiting for it to hit our house, that will be fun.

I downloaded a seven minute workout app yesterday. I did three circuits of it today (so a 21 minute workout). It's certainly enough to work up a sweat, but I didn't find it too hard after all my Jillian DVDs. It's a good one to get started on or if you're away from home. And free too- I'd recommend it to anyone looking for something new v

Just had a peculiar tea of chicken kiev and ratatatouille. Using random things I have already until the shopping comes fgrin

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Mon 09-Dec-13 18:00:27

Thanks Betsy and Tip. Am I allowed 500 cals for the day?

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Mon 09-Dec-13 18:01:36

Beyond that sounds quite nice grin

Rani what is the game you are talking about?

Talkinpeace Mon 09-Dec-13 18:04:16

funnyfestive
yup, and go for something high in vegetables so that you feel really full : I have a whole pot of fresh soup, veggie bean based curry / stir fry things are good

Emmabryant123 Mon 09-Dec-13 19:23:58

Hi ladies.
Well done all Fasters today, nearly their then you can eat tomorrow !

Anyway I need a rant sad
I'm back from nyc where we had each day a massive breakfast, lunch and dinner plus dessert- mid morning snack and sometimes afternoon to.
Now I lost a pound (walking 7-8 hours a day) and did a a fast before and after to, but my body has adjusted wanting food all day long and I don't like it! Starving within 10 mins of waking and making breakfast. Not like me at all who used to eat twice a day as I was hungry twice a day!
So tomorrow I have no food in to take to work (well I do but don't want to) so going to take a Flask of coffee and can of diet coke ( taste makes me feel like I've had something rather than water)
Then come home around 6:30, shower and have either porridge for dinner with nuts, bananas and raisins or a tin of soup.
But I'm struggling with my tummy growling for meals all day long! Any advice, currently weigh 119 pounds. Goal is 112 pounds as I'm only five foot and still have a fat tummy and fat thighs.

Emmabryant123 Mon 09-Dec-13 19:25:52

Also they have a knew cake stand at work, huge cakes (three times the size of a cherry bakewell as one at work) and how do I resist tomorrow ! Ill be starving by 8 but then if I eat I want more but it's so hard to resist.
I want to do the fasts for the health benefits as well.

BsshBossh Mon 09-Dec-13 19:48:08

Toffee if you can see yourself getting obsessed about fasting duration then go ahead and eat your 500 (or sub) dinner. 36 hour LOFs are not officially Mosley's 5:2. If you're concerned about calories then aim for a lower calorie meal instead.

FunnyFestive some people find it helps marking a fast day in their phones as an event alert. You could also mark it in the family calendar. 5:2 is so much part of my weekly routine now that come Monday and Thursday mornings I don't even have to "remember". Even my DH brings me black and not my usual white coffee (that's not to say you can't have milk in tea or coffee on FDs! It's just my FD preference).

Turkey sorry but your sharting made me LOL grin blush.

Emma ease your way slowly back into 5:2 and don't be too hard on yourself. It'll take your mind and body a bit of time to adjust back to healthy, normal eating. Having said that, exercise some good old fashioned self discipline too and you'll soon show that rumbling tummy who's boss!

Right, DH on his way home to make shakshouka (Dotty it's a Jewish and Arabic dish of egg poached in a spicy tomato sauce). I'm still undecided whether to join him or not. On the one hand I'm not physically hungry at all and could easily go for a 36 hr LOF; on the other hand, it's bleeding delicious and a portion is well under 500 cals (and by the time it's ready I'd have succeeded in a 24 hr LOF).

Will let you know which decision I made at the end of the night.

BsshBossh Mon 09-Dec-13 19:53:32
ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Mon 09-Dec-13 20:05:57

Thanks BsshBossh. Remember the early days when I was always confused? I am again. So a regular FD where you eat 500 cals is different to 36 hour fasts where you eat nothing but drink, or is it the case of you could do 36 hour fasts more often if you timed it differently? I think I confused myself there confused.

I had baked potato with 1 tsp of olive oil and some tinned sweet corn. I would like to eat something yummy later but will not. I will look forward to having it tomorrow instead grin.

somewherebecomingrain Mon 09-Dec-13 20:15:05

Hello all.

Shakshouka is great. My mum lived in Tunisia and picked up the recipe there so I've always eaten it.

Did LOF until 6pm today when fell off wagon with baby bell, punney of tomatoes and a boiled egg. Well under 500 and with my 2 stone 8 month baby refusing anything but the breast today I reckon more cals have been sucked out of me than I've eaten.

hitc my loss has been similarly slow. I don't mind.

Talkinpeace Mon 09-Dec-13 20:18:56

Emma
re the cakes thing : look at everybody touching them all on the plate at work and ask yourself how well their hands were washed - suddenly you'll find them easy to resist

the main thing to readjust from NYC food to normal food (I was there last Xmas) is to drink PLENTY of water and tea and bovril
and if you really need to eat, have half what you think you want and then see ....

BsshBossh Mon 09-Dec-13 20:21:15

Toffee in my 10 months of doing 5:2 I can count on one hand how many 36 hour LOFs I've done. I've lost a nice amount of weight eating the official 500 cal way so I don't stress whether I manage a 36 hour LOF or not - I'll still lose weight.

Talkinpeace Mon 09-Dec-13 20:22:32

I never do 36 LOF unless you count soup as liquid (whole pot of the celeriac and spinach one tonight)

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Mon 09-Dec-13 20:26:59

I might keep the 36 fasts for when I feel huge then.

I would love something else to eat tonight so will have a go at MFP to see the calories I have had tonight.

Emmabryant123 Mon 09-Dec-13 20:28:16

Thanks,
It's so hard coming back to normal.In my head I should be waking up and heading out for oatmeal with all the toppings and cream cheese bagel.Then a Starbucks caramel latte and biscuit or cake mid morning.Then lunch a huge salad/pizza/burrito / sandwich.
Then a dinner at night . BBQ chicken, fries, steaks, pizzas, pasta dishes, salads, hotdogs, burgers etc,
Then dessert.
And several drinks through the day,
So I'm finding it very very hard but will need some will power tomorrow . I will do it,
Planning porridge for when I get home, going to eat around 7pm with sliced banana, nuts (for fat and protein to remain full), and maybe some Greek yoghurt on top.
It's easier to just eat one meal on a fd for me and to go to bed not hungry and I know that but am finding it very very hard.

Emmabryant123 Mon 09-Dec-13 20:29:44

Talk in piece.
The cakes are in wrappers. May have to go to upstairs canteen with my coffee away from it all tomorrow and play games/watch videos on phone in lunch break and come on here.

Talkinpeace Mon 09-Dec-13 20:38:04

Emmabryant
Bagels and lox and huge coffee, then hero sub/deli, then icecream, then albanian restaurant for supper
repeat for two weeks !
I put on half a stone but shifted it.

Yes, you may need to hide when the cakes are out as stopping once started is MUCH harder than not starting :-)

dingdongduckyfuzz Mon 09-Dec-13 20:38:07

Hi guys.
Congrats to successful fasters and good luck to tomorrow's fasters!

Not my best ever fast day but not a disaster either. Felt really tired and cold all day resulting in hunger pangs much earlier than usual so i had an omelette early afternoon and have had tomato soup and some crackers this evening.

There's always so much to catch up with on here! I have never managed a LOF but am losing the 'normal' way so will stick with it. Like others I find I'm in a routine with fast days now and don't really think about it.

BsshBossh Mon 09-Dec-13 21:15:37

24 hr LOF complete. About to tuck into a sub-300 cal bowl of shakshouka grin.

DH's birthday tomorrow and there will be venison ragu with linguine, wine and black forest gateau for dinner. Yes, it's a NFD but I will skip a meal nonetheless.

Papayasoup Mon 09-Dec-13 21:33:19

Very tough FD, one of my hardest is months but I just about made it. It was all my own doing having eaten too much and a few too many wine at a Christmas party on Sunday. I had a horrible sleep as a result and a poorly DD who kept waking up. I woke up with a headache and a rummbly tummy which lasted all day. Not helped by being a horrible grump. I felt sorry for my colleagues!
I had a bit more for dinner than planned but reckon still ended the day sub-700 so I'll call it a success especially as I'd dragged myself to the gym at lunch.

For those of you starting out I really found planning was key at the beginning and actually still is. I needed to know exactly what I was going to eat and when to get me through the hunger pangs. Lots of drinks as well. I also really eased into it as even though not a natural breakfast eater I had slipped into eating breakfast over the last year, which for me has always results in a gradual weight gain. For my first few fasts I had an egg or yoghurt for breakfast, salad or soup for lunch with some protein and a light dinner like 100g steamed fish and a massive pile of veg with lots of herbs, spices. I'd plan it all out on MFP the day before. Over time I pushed back my breakfast and then cut it out completely but I still eat twice a day most days. I've always relied on soups and eggs to get me through the days. And planning for the next day!

My danger zone is about 8pm after DD is in bed and I need to start getting my dinner ready. I am usually starving and if I don't have something ready in minutes then I can easily snarf a few crackers, baby bel etc while waiting. So eggs are perfect for a quick fix. Monday and Wednesday are my usual days as not only to counterbalance the weekend excess but I'm usually home on my own on Monday so I don't need to think about what DH wants to eat.

Yesterday was different as he was home but I had leftover broccoli salad although not super low cal as had bacon and dressing but not a huge portion but then finished off the pasta I'd made for him fhmm. Nevermind, it is morning here already although I got woken up way too early and I'm already looking forward to a tasty lunch of mixed veg salad from a salad bar place near work.

Well done to everyone having made it despite feeling poorly, blue, new etc

Hi to all fellow FDers. i've had 450 cals since Sunday teatime and kitchen is closed. I'm planning my breakfast tomorrow: sprouted bread with caviar paste, veg juice, small rice pud (!). I'm not that hungry really and - I can have it tomorrow !
fgrin
I'm just back from a fasted spin at the gym. Both during and afterwards, I experienced such a marvellous feeling of well-being and strength.
I've noticed this before ; LFDs with low carb shakes plus fasted training really seems to suit me - I don't know if others think who've tried the shake route have found the same.
hmm
I much prefer this to solid FDs. To get the health reasons, I plan to schedule zero-cal LFDs on my training rest day, but only every 2nd week, due to my biweekly FD schedule.

My LFD routine is a low carb shake for lunch and then a post-training one, which my whole body just seem to soak up with gratitude. If I feel the need mid-morning say, I also have one cocoa total.

All my FDs run from teatime or supper on the previous NFD to either breakfast or lunch the next NFD, so 32-44 hrs. I don't have problems keeping within 500 cals for this period. What schedule is anyone else using ?
hmm

Oops, typo. I plan zero-cal LFDs for health benefits

BsshBossh Mon 09-Dec-13 21:51:20

BigChoc my fasting schedule is always:
Sunday (eg) NFD: Stop eating by 9pm
Monday FD: Eat up to 500 cals at 9pm (usually it's around 200 cals tops)
Tuesday NFD: Breakfast around 10am

Repeat for Thursday FD.

So zero cal liquids (no shakes, just herb tea, water, black coffee) for 24 hrs then sub-200 cal single meal.

For anyone struggling with temptations on FDs, I personally find LFDs easier, because I know I can only have those 2 shakes, plus zero cal drinks and one optional cocoa. So, I'm not considering what I should eat, or do I want more. I only have those 2 shakes in my bags for work / gym.

I think the danger or temptation arises if one is "foraging", because that can turn into "grazing".

Cuckoo Sorry to hear about your "sharting" , but thank you so much for this new word. i love new words for indelicate bodily functions <I'm 57, going on 12>
fgrin

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Mon 09-Dec-13 22:00:29

Thanks Bssh I think I will try the calendar thing. Normally Monday and Wednesday would be good days for me although not this week. So might go for Tues and Thurs. Have eggs in and will leave some veg soup out of the freezer to get me through.

BigChoc what shakes do you use?

Breadandwine Mon 09-Dec-13 22:07:42

25 hours into my LOF, ATM!

And that's how I do it - by counting down the hours.

I prepare by finishing dinner prior to fasting as early as possible. Last night I finished my last mouthful at 7.00pm - so, by midnight I already had 5 hours in the bag. When I woke at 9, it was up to 14 - so I think to myself, 'I've got a headstart on this!"

I've also on occasion looked at the time left - so, with a 36 hour fast, by 1pm I've done 18 hours with 18 to go. Then each hour - if I'm not busy - I can look at the clock and tell myself - 19 down, 17 to go. Another way i mark the time is to tell myself, after 24 hours, that I'm 2/3rds of the way.

I appreciate this is not for everyone - it'll probably drive half of you up the wall - but for me, it works. Especially so in the early days.

It's 9pm now, so 26 down, only 10 to go. And I'm still to feel any hunger!

It's 10pm now, so 27 down, only 9 to go. Forgot to post! confused

All the best, folks, B&W

Hi All, well done all the fasters - I struggled a bit today and felt very hungry around 3 pm ! managed to push through it though and had a sub 500 cal dinner tonight.
All of this talk of LOF for 24 hrs - keep thinking I dont think I could do that...but then again isnt that what I always do on a FD ( fast from 7pm previous evening ,only drink liquids & no food till my 500 cal eve meal).
eatriskier LOVE your photo..you look amazing !
dotty its was a bit of a ball acher getting a photo up BUT if I can do it anyone can!fsmile
betsy whats a peanut hottie ? I adore all things peanut flavoured but dont know what a hottie isfconfused
turkey I also like the verb 'to shart ' , but really loved 'Thankfuckfully' fgrin

oh ,was supposed to be doing the Christmas cards tonight but this thread is taking over my life ! I will now go to bed and read some more

MrsFlorrick Mon 09-Dec-13 23:10:14

Successful FD here grin

Bit of advice.... Don't scoff too much kale however delicious it is. I did this evening and I've been doing some serious sharting of my own. hmm

In bed nursing my sore innards. Back tomorrow

BsshBossh Mon 09-Dec-13 23:10:22

head yeah it's funny because loads of us have naturally been doing 24 hr LOFs but simply called them FDs; then BigChoc, Turkey or another recent thread newbie coined the acronym LOF and suddenly this has now entered the 5:2 acronym list. I like it grin.

B&W I like your countdown idea. I may try it this Thursday as I like the idea of (apparent) health benefits of slightly longer (though not too long!) zero cal fasts...

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Mon 09-Dec-13 23:58:36

...swaggers in all smirky smug faced....

... You're welcome! Glad to have shared my incredible womanly worldliness with you fwink ...

Fd over here. Under 250 again.

My current pattern is..

Stop eating by ten (we eat late) on nfd. Then go through until 9 something p.m of fd on only water/blk coffee/green tea sometimes a bouillon mid afternoon. Then after 9pm I have a hot half milk half water with cinnamon/spice with a sq or two of dark choc, which seems to relax/soothe me ready for bed.

I always round up but this comes in under 250.

I then don't eat until mid afternoon at earliest the next day.

Never been a breakfast person anyway. Am finding this so much easier than trying to think about meals on a fd. Agree with all BigChoc said about it. Much easier not to have anything, than restrict - for me anyway.

I also find it so much less hassle. I sometimes found the having to think of, then prepare and calorie count a meal such a pita that it made fd harder. Now I find them so much easier, sailing through day not having to think about it at all. I'm sure the not thinking is also what stops me from feeling any hunger too.

Will have to see if I still feel the same at different times of month!

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Tue 10-Dec-13 00:17:13

Wasn't me with the LOF title.

Still not sure exactly what qualifies as LOF, but think BCF may have said under 50 cals.

So I tend to call mine liquidish. It is all liquid though.

Apart from bit of sugar in coffee.

And the 2 sqs of choc is liquid by the time I've sucked the life out of it fgrin

Think the purists might say water/green tea only counts though, not sure ??

As always though, whatever works for one, is what one should do.

Hey MrsF.... What's a shart between friends eh!? fgrin
Did you eat a trough of kale, or do you think might be the time of year lurgy going around??

To coin a Betsy term of 'Stealth something' I think there might be a stealth bug about.

Have had some funny symptoms, but not felt obviously ill with cold/flu.

Anyone else???..

Maybe we should start 'Shart Watch'??

TableRunner low carb protein shakes

I buy online, since I live in the sticks. I recommend:

- Atkins RTD (Ready To Drink) - Mocha or Latte flavour. These are 330 ml cartons, quite filling because they contain oil. They have 15 g protein and <1g sugar for 150 cals, so you can have up to 3 on an FD.
Used in Mattson 5:2 study.

- Oh Yeah RTD - Strawberry or chocolate flavour. They come in 500 ml bottles, each 32g protein (so more for intensive sports like i do), 220 cals, so only have 2.

DYI: When I am not too lazy have time, I make my own shakes from a low carb top quality high protein powder (Weider 80 plus or Scitec Nutrition 100% Whey), adding Barlean's Omega Swirl Oil and fresh berries.
However, protein powder comes in big tubs, so not worth it until you are sure you like protein shakes.

Only a certain nameless avian could swagger over having managed to fart & dump simultaneously !!
fgrin flowers for the bare-faced cheek / bare-cheeked .... no, don't go there.

Toffee
Zero-cal FDs can be solid or liquid, so long as they are sub-50 cals. Done occasionally, they probably have health benefits.
LFD / LOF can have up to 500 cals (600 for chaps); it just means no solids.

<*Madam Turkey* LIQUID does not include squares of chocolate, which also breaks NND, you bare-cheeked gobbler>

thinkcan Tue 10-Dec-13 02:11:25

Emma I'm in about the same position as you. 5 ft 1 in, CW 117 lbs, GW 112 lbs. I was also in US earlier this year and like you ate heaps but did not put on any weight as I also did lots of walking. I find it hard not to eat till dinner time as it feels like such a loong day stretching ahead before I can eat. So I stick to 16:8 on most days which basically means having my first meal at lunch time. Twice a week, I also try to keep to around 500 calories, though more often it is closer to 1000 calories. I don't work and have lunch appointments out quite often. I try to keep dinner light especially on those days when I have had a big lunch. Not sure if this is a good formula as it has been a slow weight loss journey. But it is a WOE I can sustain easily and I reckon that is more important to me.

somewherebecomingrain Tue 10-Dec-13 04:09:48

Got 5:2 induced insomnia. I find I sleep better after a LOF which is a big incentive.

Just had a few leftover rigatoni and waiting for them to hit my head iyswim.

turkey bigchoc you are making me laugh. I'm sorry I came across sharting backwards in people's reactions! I didn't experience the full impact of this brilliant and necessary new coinage!

Lol! I love it when mn provides lafs. Thank you people!

Hate insomnia.

Emmabryant123 Tue 10-Dec-13 07:48:55

Fd fail here Allready,
3 hours sleep this morning...
So had bowl of porridge with semi skimmed milk n banana.
356 calories.
Bought no food to work and I can't afford the cakes even though by lunch it'll be tempting.
So dinner is another bowl of porridge, banana and Nutella. Leaving me at 964 calories after coffee to.
So doing a mini fast.
Then tomorrow a full 24 hour lof. Just one meal dinner about seven but not going count calories just be sensible.

rubbishfamily333 Tue 10-Dec-13 07:57:49

Morning all, I'm having difficulty seeing the bottom of the thread as my phone is being annoying!

Well fd yesterday, I think I went over 500cals but it should still be under 600. I was freezing at work again as we don't have central heating which I was told we would get put in during the Christmas period and the boss has now changed his mind confusedconfusedconfused then I came home to find there was a problem with the gas meter and the heating wasn't working until around 10pm! So a very cold day I ate a bit extra.

postmanpatsreindeer Tue 10-Dec-13 08:07:20

Morning all!

rubbish and emma they sound like successes to me. Sometimes life gets in the way, that's all.

somewhere I find the opposite - I'll be awake from about 4am tomorrow!

southeast nice to hear from you, hope you get settled in your new pad and life calms down a bit. Well done on maintaining your weight loss despite the obstacles.

turkey hope your innards are behaving themselves today!

LOF for me today, peppermint tea and water all day, gym tonight, no food until about 8.15 tomorrow morning.

Well I daren't do squats if there's a stealth shart bug around… <covering arse (heh heh) as hasn't remembered to do any squat challenge yet>

hitc Peanut Hottie is a peanut buttery flavoured instant hot milk drink.

Perfectly ok fast yesterday and NND seems to be conquering my post-school hunger habit. However, I am somehow, slightly gaining weight rather than losing which is a bit of a bore.

So, on reflection, I think I will take 2 weeks off fasting in the holidays and start again with renewed vigour & exercise in January.

Oh yeah, my fast patterns:

Sunday - finish eating by 4 or 5pm, fast till 12 on Monday when I have less than 100 calories at lunch (slowly eliminating this but tricky to get rid of completely as I'm modelling good eating habits to a bunch of very small people!) then no further calories until 6pm - meal of around 300calories. Next meal is breakfast or lunch on Tuesday, depending on what I feel like in the morning.

Thursday fast similar but finish eating by 6.30 on Wednesday.

Perfectly okay fast day for me too. I had a sneaky mince pie, so actually was closer to 600 than 500kcal, but not too bad as was already under for the day. smile

Although thinking about it, if I'm doing ADF, a few more calories on FDs wont hurt

Southeastdweller Tue 10-Dec-13 08:26:59

Checking in as I'm fasting today.

head I can testify to the pleasures of the Peanut Hottie drink - it makes a nice change from Options on a cold night at home. By the way, you're looking seriously fabulous in that profile pic!

emma I think some exercise would help with the jet lag and food cravings.

Good luck to everyone else who's fasting.

MrsFlorrick Tue 10-Dec-13 08:33:25

Turkey. No bug. Def. overload of kale chips (so yummy). It stopped quite quickly. I've overdone kale before and it's known for this particularly delightful side effect.

Sadly it didn't help me lose weight though. Still the same this morning. I've spent 6 weeks now bouncing between 160lbs and 158lbs. Argh.

Bigchocfrenzy. grin. You're very funny.

Welcome to all the new folk here. You're all in the right place. We have a fab time on this thread and everybody's lovely.

Bssh. flowers you're amazing. I read your posts from the last few days. You've been through a lot.

Back to my day. The school run beckons. Need to avoid the PTA this morning. They are looking for victims for something or other. They are quite a scary bunch. I went to a few if their meetings and wasn't impressed. Not sure they are very nice actually. It all came to a head for me when two of them came to blows (literally) during a meeting on school premises during school hours. The DC could have seen. It's a prep with a nusery so DC as young as 2 could have seen brawling parents. I stepped away after that and now avoid them.

rubbishfamily333 Tue 10-Dec-13 09:18:34

This phone is so annoying, I can't get to the bottom of the messages to catch up confusedconfused but I thought I would pop back to say yay finally a loss! I'm 10.1 this morning so finally lost 1pound! If I could loose 2lbs before Christmas I would have hit my goal of 9 something before Christmas grin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Tue 10-Dec-13 09:33:09

BigChocolateReindeer .... It's special Food Replacement Choc so think you'll find doesn't actually count! (haughty face)

NND is still in force rest of time. Well, I say in force..... what I actually mean is I have changed my list of 'naughties'.

Wine is still off.
All crisps/savoury snacks gone.
All biscuits gone.
Seem to be eating one meal day.
Portion sizes are right down.
Carbs are very low.

In fact apart from the odd cake/pastry/bit of choc, I am being very good.

December was always going to be different. January however will be different matter!!

Think I will keep it simple and just take a fd hols for Christmas. Take 2 weeks off, during which will try to keep an element of mindfulness. Fortunately for me this will hit at my greedier tom as well, so I will prob have to be rolled into January!

If only there was somebody who would take great delight in watching the bloated, windy withdrawal and could maybe give me/us a big kick up the arse in Jan??......

BC BootCamp fgrin

Nah! You'd hate that wouldn't you. Swinging from your rafters, occasionally landing on the shoulders of a Thor, to strangle him with your bare thighs - just for fun. Sneering at the weak willed! (yeah that's you Betsy - if I'm going down, you're coming too!) fgrin

Dotty342kids Tue 10-Dec-13 09:47:32

Morning all. Successful fast day yesterday when had lovely chicken, chickpea and spinach curry which had been going all day in the slow cooker and torturing me with its lovely smells! And then had two Mr Kipling fruit slices before bed. AARGH!

Anyway, still a pretty good FD so not going to beat myself up over that one and weigh in this morning looked much healthier than last week. Got another fast day to go this Thursday, meals for week all planned so feeling good smile

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo Tue 10-Dec-13 09:53:36

Oh and anything but a stealth boast....

Just done an illegal early weekly weigh in, and after my modest weekend and fd yesterday am down another pound fgrin

So that is 11.5!!!!!!!

This is lightest I think I've ever got to since becoming overweight, and then only once!!

Everything from this point onwards is what will really count for me.

If I could just manage another 6 between now and 24th I'll have hit my Xmas goal of the tens fgrin

Ok, maybe not! fwink

Especially with all that heavy muscle building exercise I'm doing!

(Looks out window for hoop delivery van whilst squatting )

Just need to maintain it now.

TheRaniOfYawn Tue 10-Dec-13 10:10:02

Not a fast day today, so I had a MN inspired egg in a cup for breakfast. I am off to do some exercises now. Today is bodyweight circuits day.

shart is my favourite word, followed closely by pants. I think me and bigchoc may have the same mental age wink

hope everyone has so far avoided any shafting so far today.

the annual advent games have begun here. dd isnt yet 3 but has taken dh out with illness before his last 2 Xmas parties. this years is tomorrow and dd is really not well. we fear its too late for dh.

good luck today's fasters.

I managed to maintain so far despite a night out and only mini fasting yesterday. guessing mini fasting is the way to go for me.

ummm sharting. maybe keep shafting to yourselves shock blush grin

Emmabryant123 Tue 10-Dec-13 10:40:44

Ahh everyone eating cakes, crisps, biscuits at work sad
Had my porridge this morning but still as hungry as I would of been at this time-
Just 7.5 hours till I can have another bowl with banana and Nutella though. Nicely under 1000 calories then today. Then nothing till my meal tomorrow night but not calorie counting and may have rice pud for dessert tomorrow. (Doing a lo till 6pm tomorrow to get back into proper 5:2)
Keep saying to my self a cake will only fill me up for 30 mins anyway and then I'll feel crap again in eating it so what's the point.
Takeaway at work next Thursday for last day before Xmas going to have chicken burger, cheese on chips and baked beans mmm. So will fast Monday and Wednesday next week.

annielewis Tue 10-Dec-13 10:46:13

Morning all

turkey and BCF you are too funny! Like a double act.. keep it up, and well done on your sneaky scale victory turkey (maybe a silver lining to the shart episode- you sharted a pound??)

So, I managed a liquid only 36 hour fast - ate tea on Sunday and then only coffee tea bovril and water til breakfast this morning. And it felt fine!! Like others have said I actually found this a bit easier than trying to think about what I could have for sub 500 dinner etc. Total calories on everything was about 120.

Am thinking I might do another one on Friday as it was going to be a fast day anyway.

Good luck to everyone doing FD today, glad I'm not as its brass monkeys here - about 3 degrees this morning according to the car thermometer thingy...

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Tue 10-Dec-13 11:35:02

Fast day here. So cross that I had a sweet pig out last night until 9pm so my FD won't end until 9pm (stupid me). Why I picked last night I will never know hmm

Thanks BigChoc that's really helpful. I might try some of those Atkins RTD ones rather than buy a big tub of some disgusting protein shake grin

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Tue 10-Dec-13 11:36:16

PS: I am really at war with myself here. Keep thinking 'It's too close to Christmas to start, this is crazy!' But if I don't do it now, I'll just end up putting it off to January, by which time I'll be another half stone heavier sad

Talkinpeace Tue 10-Dec-13 11:45:45

FunnyFestive
Start now.
For the very simple reason that if you've done a couple of fasts before Christmas you'll have started to teach your body that hunger is not scary and that having an empty tummy can be rather nice.
Which over Christmas will allow your brain to say "no" to the extra bit that will make you feel ill.
Also you'll save a fortune because shutting