The 5:2 thread number 27 - Season of fasts and mellow rumblingness (with apologies to Keats)

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BetsyBell Thu 19-Sep-13 16:58:47

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through our very own fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

southeastdweller Thu 19-Sep-13 17:04:05

And boom!

Thanks Betsy.

SchrodingersFanny Thu 19-Sep-13 17:15:53

Yay! My first full thread.

FD for me today and it has been fine, easy even! Much better than last week! Although when opening a chocolate bar for ds I had to seriously resist the temptation to lick it!

And,my FOOT IS HEALED! So today I did the 30 day shred. I know, on a fast day. It felt awesome.

And now I'm all high and giddy with endorphins. Breaking fast tonight with good old veg and lentil stew from slow cooker.

BsshBossh Thu 19-Sep-13 17:27:21

thanks as ever Betsy and fab thread title.

Well, I've overcome the FD late afternoon slump. Now I know I can make it to dinner. See you all on "the other side" smile

wrigglebum Thu 19-Sep-13 17:32:04

Just checking in

BetsyBell Thu 19-Sep-13 17:33:42

Well done Bssh. I've wasted a load of my fast day calories on some stupid biscuits, pointless boredom snacking while I was waiting for a child to finish an after school club activity.

Ah well, my small healthy dinner will be a bit smaller now!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 19-Sep-13 17:35:10

Checking in smile

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 19-Sep-13 17:39:28

Just in case I'm not the only philistine to be all hmm or confused at the new thread title blush

Autumn

Talkinpeace Thu 19-Sep-13 18:00:52

yee hah - been here since thread 3 - still fasting :-)

MissStrawberry Thu 19-Sep-13 18:00:58

Hello to our new thread grin.

Thanks to TIP the children have happily just tucked into beef burgers. They are blinking carnivores!

Sophiste Thu 19-Sep-13 18:01:56

Hi everyone - it's about time I introduced myself to what seems a really supportive group. I've been lurking for a little while, picking up lots of useful tips.

I started 5:2, with the occasional 4:3, on 3rd August and (strangely you may think) didn't weigh myself at the beginning. I got around to purchasing some scales on 7th September so that will be my first reference point against which to measure progress. I think this will work best for me (psychologically) if I don't weigh too often and don't get too hung up on weight loss but think of it, when it happens, as a welcome side-effect of a healthy approach to food. I do need to lose it (BMI is 31) but risk falling off the wagon if I think of myself as being "on a diet".

Anyway, all seems to be going well so far. FDs surprisingly easy, NFDs I am settling in to (temptation is to undereat - my appetite seems reduced). Watch strap looser, bra strap looser, long boots looser on the calf, lots of compliments at work as to how "well" I look after the summer break. As a long-term IBS sufferer I am delighted also with a dramatic reduction in cramping & bloating.

Looking forward to learning from you all and getting to my first mini-target, which is to get BMI under the dreaded 30.smile

MissStrawberry Thu 19-Sep-13 18:04:53

I am getting with the I need to eat my calorie total and feeling like I wanted a boost after my awful morning I had a snicker this afternoon but only ate half of it and put the rest back! I enjoyed what I had and really glad I didn't just blinding eat the whole thing. Even after inputting the burger and one bread roll I still have over 700 calories left shock.

Well done MissS!

Just had my prosciutto-wrapped scallops - my they were good!

eatriskier Thu 19-Sep-13 18:13:46

How's everyone doing today? Have successfully fasted so far as have been too busy to do anything else. Waiting for kids to go to bed then I'm getting my food on. Wedding photos came today, and busily making albums and the like.

Dotty342kids Thu 19-Sep-13 18:16:04

Well done Bssbossh, never easy to get through the 4-6pm slot. I've just had my soup and now I'm going to light the fire, yay!
Welcome sophiste. Great to hear about the IBS, we do sometimes lose sight of the health benefits of this as we get so carried away with the weight loss aspects of it!

SchrodingersFanny Thu 19-Sep-13 18:23:04

Today is the first fast day that I have experienced the clear headed feeling. I think the exercise helped. I'm a bit disappointed to see that shredding only burns me 200 calories. I know it does more good than that, but seriously it hurts! For 200 calories! That isn't even a piece of good cake smile

MissStrawberry Thu 19-Sep-13 18:34:16

Prosciutto-wrapped scallops sound divine. I once did cod wrapped with parma ham and I liked that. Meat and fish together sounds wrong but tastes lovely.

I like the ready cooked fish in those annoying plastic contraptions but got put off when I got loads of bones in one.

SchrodingersFanny Thu 19-Sep-13 18:42:46

That all sounds lovely. I have mostly eastern eggs or vegetables on FDs! Maybe I should be more adventurous!

peplum41 Thu 19-Sep-13 18:43:41

New thread thrills! Thanks betsy

Hi sophiste, well done, admire any one with the pability to not weigh themselves like a sad addiction. I've had to take the battery out of mine and put it awkward cupboard downstairs. It is easier to stick to when you feel as though you're doing for health reasons. As soon as the word diet is mentioned I feel deprived.

eats how you liking your wedding photos?

Pat on shoulder for missstrawberry. Once I've started a snickers I have to finish the job. Such will power. Now enjoy a full fat weekend.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 19-Sep-13 19:00:54

There were a couple of us talking typing about ibs a couple of threads ago Sophiste. I agree - far less bloating, far less wind, far less pain grin

AliBaba you nutter - only the inventor of the slow cooker would have the potential to be even mildly miffed by your preferring stove-top food rather than slow-cooker!!

Ill again sad tracheitis which is pretty much the most hideous short-term illness and only children are supposed to get it - I'm 35 confused So eating when I feel able focussing on protein, fruit and veg for repair.

NotAsTired Thu 19-Sep-13 19:54:10

Thanks, Betsy% thanks

eatriskier Thu 19-Sep-13 20:30:55

peplum they're lovely but there's so many of them with us kissing even I got bored of it. As unromantic as I may sound, the photographer kept telling us to rather than us being overcome with it on the day!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 19-Sep-13 20:55:23

Looking at the many wedding photo's of friends and family, I prefer non-kissing pictures so I'm in full agreement with you EatRiskier. I particularly like the 'loving gaze', the 'shared smile' and the 'gaze into the future'.

BsshBossh Thu 19-Sep-13 21:13:48

Another successful FD over. Can safely say that after the 6 week school summer holiday & fasting break, I'm safely back in the 5:2 saddle. Yeehaar!

peplum41 Thu 19-Sep-13 21:23:21

helles ooh that trachitis sounds grim, I've had a cold all week so throats sore, can sort of sympathise. Only sort of though I'm sure.

Eats
Seeing as you're now "normal" bmi, do you think its reflected in your photos? I was size 8 first wed, squashed into size 14, and in denial, on my second, also plastered in fake tan. We didn't have a photographer, and we are looking at the wrong camera in every shot! At least I got the choice of hubbie right 2nd time round.

Ooh shiny new thread--- hello all new lurkers , de lurkers etc..
I've had fast day today..well it was my plan to fast.Managed all day without a hitch until I got home from work and SOMEONE had left a tap on all day in the bathroom which had dripped through the ceiling onto wooden floor below.Cant dry it out very well because the heating is on the blink and the 4th heating engineer we called failed to turn up ! Oh my God could this week get any worse? So it had to be done ..sometimes only opening a bottle of wine will help! So I've a had a plate of Indian beans on toast and 2 glasses of wine...first time I've ' failed ' a fast since I began in Jan so hey ho!!!

BsshBossh Thu 19-Sep-13 21:29:27

Oh head, I'd definitely have failed if my taps had run like that. And now your heating too! Hope it all gets sorted for you soon.

peplum41 Thu 19-Sep-13 21:41:52

hitc all things considered, a full day of fasting, some beans on toast and a couple of glasses of wine. That's pretty good in my book. Sometimes wine really donks you on the head when you've not eaten much, so watch out for that.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 19-Sep-13 21:50:29

I'm being a wimp peplum! I just hate the feeling of suffocating - even though I know I'm not. If that makes sense?

Head that wine was entirely medicinal. It all sounds horrendous - I really hope everything gets fixed and back to normal.

I thought I would make a red lentil daal next time I cook (I've had lots of time to check out recipes and I was watching the incredible spice men on the iplayer - so good). I also want to try gobi aloo but I seem to need a few more spices for that. Ridiculous that I grew up in leeds and am only now getting to grips with indian cuisine! Only ever really had snacky bits as a child - pakora, samosa, sweets. The sort of thing you have straight after school to put you on til dinner by which time I'd be home eating mum's dry meat with hard potatoes and soft veg...

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 19-Sep-13 22:09:17

Lovely new thread, thanks Betsy!

Helles that sounds horrid, will it go away quickly?

head definitely understandable, I would have eaten a slab of chocolate washed down with cake on top I am sure grin Hope you get it sorted.

Well done MissS smile

FD successfully completed here today. I dug out my uniqlo thermal top I was so cold though! Do they do just vests, or something with shorter sleeves? Because the one I have shows a lot under anything other than a full jumper.
Actually for even colder days I've remembered about a Mountain Warehouse thermal top I bought for a skiing holiday a few years ago - it is seriously snuggly but comes right up to the neck so again only any good with jumpers. Great for being toasty at home in though.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 19-Sep-13 22:30:13

It is a shame that thermals are so visible under the majority of clothes AliBaba. I am improving, thank you, my temperature has gone (so I'm freezing!) and I am breathing more easily. With antibiotics and steroids, it takes about a week to get back to reasonably normal life though my asthma will be worse than normal for 2-3 months because my trachea will be quite raw from the swelling. On the plus side, I normally get it about once every three years so, once I'm up and about, I will have a lovely long time before I need to feel this way again smile

southeastdweller Thu 19-Sep-13 22:46:24

head One failed fast only in eight months is good going. I bet you enjoyed those beans and vino. Here's to a better week coming up wine.

SchrodingersFanny Thu 19-Sep-13 23:01:03

M&S do nice thermal vests that don't show.

My only big problem on FDs is I have medication I have to take at 10pm. It makes me feel sick on an rmpy-ish stomach. Not sure how to stop that.

Head- I think you were very restrained to just have the wine! Hope you get it sorted.

Twinmama32 Thu 19-Sep-13 23:25:39

Boy fasting was tricky today, 8 months in and today was a toughie! Hung onto till dinner and had a chilli & garlic prawn salad with avocado, toms, spring onions and a hot balsamic dressing. A.MAZE.ING.
Put paid to the chilly feelings creeping back in now its autumn, at least until the chilli burn wore off!
Kept busy today sorting through my wardrobe, got rid of over 30 items as they were too big or reminded me of bigger days. I want no excuse to slide back into clothes that have no right to still fit.

On the slow cooker front, I discovered it last year and loved it, gonna break mine out again soon, great for stocking up the freezer for fds.

Fd nearly over, roll on 3 nfds!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 20-Sep-13 06:17:33

Urgh! I've woken up still full from yesterday - the prawn curry I suspect. Just too much protein but it tasted sooooo good smile

BsshBossh Fri 20-Sep-13 06:58:18

Weigh-in Friday for me and 1 lb down. Happy with that cause it's been TOM week and I also haven't done any exercise all week. Also very happy because I am officially the lowest weight I've ever been (since my teens) smile

wrigglebum Fri 20-Sep-13 07:10:42

Well done Bssh! I am also at my lowest weight since I was 17!

I'm going to sort through my clothes soon to work out what can stay and what is to go. I've got a couple of things I'll take to the alterations shop to get taken in, at £10 it's cheaper than replacing them. Even my two week old Next size 10 jeans are baggy round the waist now!

thinkcan Fri 20-Sep-13 07:11:35

A tip for those of you contemplating buying a slow cooker. Try to get those with an unglazed clay inner pot or any kind of inner pot that can be used to cook over a stove. This way can bring your soups/stews to a boil over the stove first before letting it continue cooking slowly in the slow cooker. Also, you can fry your garlic, onions, spices, brown your meats over the stove first etc before letting the slow cooker continue the rest of the cooking process without having to do those things in another pot and then transferring the contents to the slow cooker pot. Saves having to wash up another pot. Hope I am making sense.

southeastdweller Fri 20-Sep-13 07:23:48

Well done Bssh. You must be close now to a weight you want to end up with?

SchrodingersFanny Fri 20-Sep-13 07:25:55

Well done bsssh

MissStrawberry Fri 20-Sep-13 07:55:04

eatriskier, peplum41 - on our wedding day I could only smile if the photographer told me too but there is a lovely photo of my sat on my own with my bottom lip sticking out. I think I had had enough of photos and was sat on my own. I didn't understand why the photographer did so many of me on my own after we were married.

head - I'm fairly sure there is no calories in wine that is medicinal grinwink.

Back later. Got to take the kids to school! Hate driving after yesterday but DH has already gone and it is too far for them to walk.

BsshBossh Fri 20-Sep-13 08:01:12

southeastdweller nope, a way to go still. I'm BMI 23 and want to get to BMI 21. So that's still 14 lbs to go. But now I'm a healthy weight, I'm in no rush at all. It's such a novelty to me being my current weight and I'm enjoying being the new slim me smile

BsshBossh Fri 20-Sep-13 08:09:55

thinkcan that's an excellent tip. I love the frying and stirring and simmering in the same pot so that would really work for me. I will research those kinds of slow cookers.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 20-Sep-13 08:17:01

Well done Bssh!

Scro - thanks for the M%S tip, will have a look. With regard to the meds, how about an oatcake or something v.low calorie with them? Wouldn't impact your meals much but might help?

I have just had granola, yoghurt and chopped plum and peach. Yum yum yum.

MrsFlorrick Fri 20-Sep-13 08:24:33

Morning all.

Well done everyone on losses and nsv!

Not much to report here. I did two FDs this week and succeeded to stay at 500 cals for first time ever.

I am now 165.8 lbs. lowest since pre DC but only a few onces off in a month but plenty of movement in terms of wearing smaller clothes.

Had killer migraine this week. After effects of meds finally lifted yesterday so today I am back to my normal self.

Will post again later once DD is at school.

wrigglebum Fri 20-Sep-13 08:31:40

Well done MrsF.

frenchfancy Fri 20-Sep-13 09:02:13

Just checking in. Still going after a year. Hit my lowest weight this morning after having a fairly lax summer. I am 33lbs lighter than this time last year and keeping it off appears to be pretty easy.

BsshBossh Fri 20-Sep-13 09:18:38

Well done MrsF and french!

BetsyBell Fri 20-Sep-13 09:32:00

9 months of 5:2 for me and I think this is my 18th thread smile

I love how a new thread brings out the lurkers - welcome sophiste, thank you for sharing!

It also seems to attract updates from the long-termers - waves to FF smile

Bssh I've realised I'm quite jealous of you! I'm so impressed with your dedication to changing your body shape. I wish I had any desire whatsoever to fork out on joining a gym/spend time in a gym. I quite like weights...

These threads have started slowing down a lot, I guess there are lots of other threads on the fasting/5:2 board now so people are starting threads there. It's a shame really as there's such easy access to great advice and support on here. We're just too mainstream now!

Twinmama The clear out is a very exciting moment, enjoy it! It's so easy to maintain with 5:2 that you'll never have to go back to the bigger sizes.

BsshBossh Fri 20-Sep-13 09:35:35

Thanks Betsy. It's completely a personality thing for me - I've always been extremely tenacious and self-disciplined about getting what I want.

SchrodingersFanny Fri 20-Sep-13 09:40:47

You could do weights at home. A small set of free weights me and some basic moves. My yogalates DVD is good for toning and body shape.

Asheth Fri 20-Sep-13 10:07:33

Completed another fast day yesterday. Probably ate a few more than the 500 calories than I planed, but still quite a but under 600. And last nights weigh in was also inspiring - 10 st 4 lbs. That's 1.8 lbs lost this week grin Although given that It's my Dads birthday this weekend and we're celebrating at an all-you-can-eat buffet that weight may be back on again by Monday!

invinoveritas51 Fri 20-Sep-13 10:14:07

Well .... having had weeks of what seems like non-stop visitors, this is the first weekend when we will be "home alone" - hurrah! smile. The bad news is that the scales are showing the downside of such a sociable few weeks with a pretty shocking increase sad but my clothes are no tighter confused. However, the fantastic news for me is that my divorce has finally come through after three years so after a celebratory dinner this weekend (and the odd sparkling wine) I am determined to get back on track and lose the remainder of my excess weight (not an inconsiderable amount in all honesty) so that I will be a vision of slenderness at my next wedding (that sounds bad!) sometime next year. So, despite being sad at the weight gain I am so smile grin wink at my new status that I feel I could take on the world and win!!

Hope you all have a fantastic weekend!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 20-Sep-13 10:23:34

flowers InVinoVeritas51

Claricemis Fri 20-Sep-13 10:28:51

I've been discouraged for a while since every slip I do means starting almost over, weight wise. But I've been sticking to 4:3 most weeks, with the occasional 5:2. I try to not overeat on eat-days, but I crave sugar so badly these days. Must be a period thing.

Fast day today for me, I've had a small bowl of porridge for 130 calories, and am now having coffee and diet coke. My first goal is to get below 70 kilos.

Sophiste Fri 20-Sep-13 10:42:59

Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome.

I'm another one on FD today. Could be an easy one as I am in so much discomfort (think I may have sprained a rib) that I can't even think about food. Ouch!

BetsyBell Fri 20-Sep-13 11:10:08

Claricemis I think 4:3 makes it harder and doesn't seem to equal more weight loss over all. In my personal experience 4:3 sort of gave me 'permission' to over eat on nfds whereas 5:2 helps to retrain our brains and bodies to sensible eating most of the time.

Good luck with your fast day.

thinkcan Fri 20-Sep-13 11:49:25

Bssh Glad to be able to post something you find useful after all the wonderful tips and motivation you have been giving us. I boiled a cup of dhall in water before heading to the gym this morning. Came back a few hours later and the dhall was all ready for eating. I love slow cooker cooking!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 20-Sep-13 12:11:42

Ooh! thinkcan what's your recipe please - daal's on my list to make this weekend but I haven't made it before.

Dotty342kids Fri 20-Sep-13 12:16:35

Nice one all, some great losses and I love all the updates from oldies and newbies!
And there are other 5:2 threads? Surely not shock when this is full of such lovely, inspirational folk!!

Just had a bagel and out for coffee / cake with a friend later. Got to love Friday NFDs! grin

somewherebecomingrain Fri 20-Sep-13 12:30:49

Marking my place.

Back up to 11.7 today.

Am fasting - but next week will do Thursday as Friday is kinda the start of the weekend.

Have had a few desperate moments but milky coffee is keeping me going.

Congrats fd, bssh and mrs f on your lowest weights.

One thing that makes this possible at all is having this thread - really helps with the motivation .

Talkinpeace Fri 20-Sep-13 12:53:00

6:1 or 5:2 or 4:3
Personally I've done 5:2 the whole time (over a year now and the whole of 2013 maintaining) because it means I do not eat on Monday and Wednesday or Thursday but do not need to fast at weekends or on consecutive days.
I'm also fasting for the medical reasons so do not want to drop to 6:1 - I just relax the calories on the supper after the fast

For those with a lot to lose, I would suggest 5:2 with eating within the TDEE of your ideal weight three days a week ... as then when you get there the meals will be second nature grin

MissStrawberry Fri 20-Sep-13 12:55:42

flowers Bssh.

Alibabaa - your breakfast sounds delicious.

MrsF - that is a great milestone, isn't it. I am hoping tomorrow I will be back to where I was when my baby was 2 months old (ignoring the time wasted being over a stone heavierhmm.)

Brilliant frenchfancy. Keeping it off is brilliant.

Just went to the shop to buy stuff for 2 recipes I want to make so that I kept busy. Doing another FD today. Mainly because I was getting cross with them and dreading them and I wanted to feel I could do it and it would be fine. Have had a couple of spoonfuls of left over baked beans and 1 olive when cleaning out the fridge (3 hours of cleaning the kitchen today, mopping the floor and cleaning the windows) so not feeling guilty about a few beans grin. Dinner will be baked fish, a couple of new potatoes and salad leaves.

Bssh , well done with the amazing weight loss ! WI today and I've PUT ON another pound ! Hells teeth I'm annoyed.
Apart from last nights blip with the leak / central heating problem can't explain it! Although TOM looming so maybe it's that. A very good electrician friend came out and replaced our heating clock last night so we now have a cosy house again! And the soaked floor has dried out with minimal damage . Have a great weekend all

My pesky phone wiped 3 posts yesterday. Anyway, fd here for me. Cantaloupe for breakfast, then I'm getting my hair cut. Miso for lunch and lovely omelettes for tea.There was lots of chat about what to feed dcs on fds the other day. I'm hoping omelette will be just the thing!

And well done losers. You're very inspiring.

eatriskier Fri 20-Sep-13 13:35:46

Some great milestones/losses/etc on here today. Sorry to those who haven't seen them though.

I'm 10st7lb this am which makes me my lowest weight (for a second time) since I was 19. This is my review weight as last time I weighed this I looked awful, but it was the divorce and wine diet which I don't recommend. Well, strangely losing weight in a good way means I don't look horrendous now. So I'm going to continue to try to get down to 9st7lb which is a BMI of 22 for me.

Having the total opposite problem than a lot of people though, and that is that weight is still dropping off me. I want to lose that last stone don't get me wrong, but I'm happy for it to take its time (I can't afford more clothes). So I've put my stats hat on and combined it with some advice from tip, and have decided to set my calorie goal as goal weight TDEE at lightly active instead of current weight sedentary (because I am not sedentary anymore and am amassing a load of exercise calories I'm doing nought with). I'm also not going to worry if I go over on a couple of days. I'm calling this my transition period.

Talkinpeace Fri 20-Sep-13 13:42:48

eatriskier
Impressed and yes, you can start thinking about maintaining now because you are getting fit enough to look good as you get slimmer but do not want to be like the scrawny bint (sorry but she was) I saw in M&S yesterday. Toned and lean is the way to go.

eatriskier I am also at 10st7 and aiming for 9st7!

eatriskier I am also at 10st7 and aiming for 9st7. Or at least 10 on a fat day not a thin one! I had baby #4 8m ago, and want to get to a weight I'm happy with for the next 30 years.

eatriskier I am also at 10st7 and aiming for 9st7. Or at least 10 on a fat day not a thin one! I had baby #4 8m ago, and want to get to a weight I'm happy with for the next 30 years.

wrigglebum Fri 20-Sep-13 14:02:46

eatriskier, I'm relaxing a lot too now I'm so close to target (I'm 1lb off now!). Apart from yesterday's cake, I'm trying to fast until dinner with just a bovril or miso soup at lunch. Then I have a low carb dinner but I'm not too strict on the calories, mostly because I'm too lazy to count them. Sometimes I'll be over, sometimes under I'm sure. Occasionally I will have a little bit of lunch but again it would be low carb.

My appetite has definitely changed. Thought I'd have a chocolate break (ds1 just dropped off at school, ds2 asleep in pushchair)- I've managed a glass of elderflower cordial, 3 maltesers and a choc truffle and I'm stuffed hmm. Before this I would have hoovered up a whole pack, a dr pepper and still attacked the biscuits after!

I was thinking yesterday how great this forum is- I think I would have given up after the first fast without this. I remember feeling utterly terrible after my first fast- the morning after I was shaky- so I might have thought fasting didn't agree with me. But with this forum I could see that it would probably get easier, and it has. So flowers for you all.

Sorry about that. phphone clearly isn't as smart as it makes out!

BsshBossh Fri 20-Sep-13 14:48:23

wrigglebum I still have old MyFitnessPal records of what I used to consume and I am shocked at how much I managed to pack away, even after I'd lost quite a bit of weight. I'm eating a fraction of what I used to eat. The big difference now is that these days I get physically, painfully bloated if I overeat and it wipes me out completely. It's a big deterrent against binging again.

NotAsTired Fri 20-Sep-13 16:00:03

Well done, bssh, french and * mrsf*.

Weigh in today. Lost a lb so now 7 st 13 lbs. I'm focussing more on exercise and losing my apple tummy than the weight. Still doing the shred which helps me keep active the rest of the time. I may get a hula hoop to help although I have never been able to actually hula so feel a bit reluctant to buy it in case it's a waste of money.

NSV: pair of size 10 work trousers I bought in July are so baggy for me now. I have hardly worn it though so I will carry on wearing it (maybe sew up the waist so that they don't keep falling down). I haven't really looked at size 8 clothes yet. I think I will leave that until I get to my goal BMI.

FD here today. Got a bit of a headache due to a lack of fluids, which was caused by not taking my water bottle to work. Hopefully, I will feel better after drinking loads of water.

Birthday weekend for me. Asian party food tomorrow, cake and Nandos on Sunday and as a super special treat, DP taking me next Wednesday to a Michelin starred restaurant. It's actually. Promise he made about 2 and a half years ago after an achievement of mine and has finally decided to fulfil the promise. grin

NotAsTired Fri 20-Sep-13 16:01:41

It's actually a promise...

BsshBossh Fri 20-Sep-13 16:21:48

Woohoo good loss NotAsTired and have a wonderful birthday weekend smile

BetsyBell Fri 20-Sep-13 17:04:20

headintheclouds I'm there too - body has periods (not totm ones though) when I just seem to hold on to every last ounce. Luckily the fasting is keeping anything too horrendous at bay! I also know I could be doing more to curb it so if it gets out of hand I will.

I still look fine and feel great so I'm not worrying much about the scales. I know that when I start losing again it will come easily so no point fighting the natural fluctuations too hard.

Healthy lower weight is what we're after eh eatsriskier? I'm been slimmer than this before but I got it via a long period of illness so felt weak and pathetic. So YAY for getting there healthily and sustainably :D

BetsyBell Fri 20-Sep-13 17:08:19

Notastired Ooh fabulous! Please let us know about your michelin star experience, I want to vicariously drool at your meal grin

wrigglebum Fri 20-Sep-13 18:07:15

Notastired- I think the large adult weighted hoops are supposed to be a lot easier to keep up, so you might be able to. Do Argos still do their 16 day guarantee? If so you could always return it if it doesn't work for you. I still haven't got mine yet, will try to get one this weekend as I'm still struggling along with the little one.

thinkcan Fri 20-Sep-13 18:33:23

Helles I usually just boil a cup of dhall in 4 cups of water with some salt, half a teasp of turmeric powder and a couple of crushed garlic cloves. In a separate pan, I heat up some mustard seeds in oil until they pop, add sliced shallots and cumin powder and when the mixture is brown, add it to the cooked dhall. I learned this from my Indian friends who all seem to be fabulous cooks. You may want to check the Internet for more detailed recipes. I think there's lots of ways to vary the flavor of dhall.

thinkcan Fri 20-Sep-13 18:53:56

Notastired I bought a weighted hoop for my sister a couple of months ago and even though she is in her sixties and has hardly ever exercised her entire life, she has managed to learn to hula hoop. So I am sure you will be able to do it. These new weighted hoops are much easier to use than the ones kids play with. Just make sure you do your research (lots of information available on the Internet) on what size and weight to get.

janey1234 Fri 20-Sep-13 19:06:28

Hi all

Hope you don't mind me barging in...

I'm contemplating doing the 5:2 diet, having had a baby 12 weeks ago today. Does anyone know if you're able to do it whilst breast feeding? I need to do something about my weight, especially as I need to go wedding dress shopping in January... Ideally want to weigh two stone less when I get married, but at 5 foot 11 I'm hoping it won't be too hard.
What kind of weight loss are you all seeing and after how long?

Talkinpeace Fri 20-Sep-13 19:23:21

Janey1234
Welcome, we don't and yes !
There are other BF Mums on here (and a vicarious BF grandad) ....
If I remember right they tend to work to 750 calories on a fast rather than 500 - but the babies don't seem to notice which day it is!

Have a read through the tips and hints : the amount of weight you lose is dependent on so many variables
but 1-1.5 lb a week is a fair target
and then it stays off

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 20-Sep-13 19:39:27

Thanks ThinkCan the problem is there are too many recipes on the internet! I'll start with yours and play around til I have my own recipe - thank you. It's quite a long initial cook on the daal though? An hour or so?

BsshBossh Fri 20-Sep-13 19:47:43

Helles I make red lentil dal each week to accompany curries. Red lentils take 30 mins to cook - so quick. My way is to heat up a teaspoon each of ground cumin, ground coriander and turmeric in oil then stir in washed and rinsed red lentils (about 3 or 4 big handfulls) then cover with water - say 3 inches on top, add teaspoon of salt then bring to boil and simmer for half an hour. Job done, all in one pot. It's very basic but so easy and delicious. You can also just use any curry powder you have kicking around.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 20-Sep-13 20:27:15

Thanks BsshBoshh - I will report back on the outcomes!!

MissStrawberry Fri 20-Sep-13 21:25:28

You need to be my alibis when I kill DH later. I may have PMT and he is pissing me off. Ate 2 bags of monster munch about 5 minutes ago. In the kitchen eating again. I am not feeling the love for him tonight. Had a shitty day thanks to various things and now he is pissing me off too.

Talkinpeace Fri 20-Sep-13 21:29:07

Count to ten
put the crisps away - they will just make you feel worse in the morning
go and walk around the garden and count to 100
then come back and tell us how much better you feel
food will not do that
taking control will

MissStrawberry Fri 20-Sep-13 21:33:46

HE's the one eating the damn crisps. I am being good.
My cycle is all over the bloody place and it is making me feel like I want everyone to fuck off and leave me alone.

Talkinpeace Fri 20-Sep-13 21:37:52

Oh that's easier then.
Bag of monster munch on kitchen floor
jump on it
leave mess
go walk round garden for count of 200
he'll still be slack jawed when you walk back in singing

MissStrawberry Fri 20-Sep-13 21:42:41

Hormones suck.

AngieM2 Fri 20-Sep-13 21:58:06

Checking in. 10.7 this morning following a brilliant FD and brilliant FD yesterday. Holiday gain gone. Aiming for 10st 3 weeks time so really need to focus! Wish me luck.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 20-Sep-13 22:41:20

Yes they do MissS!

Talkinpeace Fri 20-Sep-13 23:08:11

Angie Well done .... you'll get there

MissS You count very slowly wink

Right, let's see if I can make a sensible post this time! Had a really good fd, including getting my hair cut which was fun. I haven't managed any exercise, which is a shame, and I blame the lack of breakfast for taking my boy to preschool without shoes!

MissS, my husband eats lunch in restaurants for work every day. On fds he isn't allowed to tell me about it tho! You've done well not to eat him!

MissStrawberry Sat 21-Sep-13 07:42:53

Good luck AngieM and well done flowers

I didn't count. Sorry sad.

I had words with him and made him say sorry. I dreamt I was 11 stone 7 so was annoyed when I realised it was a dream and not real. I weigh on a Saturday and it came up really quickly. 11 stone 7.4lbs shock. That is 4.4lbs off in a week and 11lbs in total since I started. Really pleased but more pleased that when I had 2 bites of purely medicinal snickers last night I didn't feel guilty or a failure for eating.

Busy day. DD has 11+ which DH will take her too. DS2 has an osteopathy appointment which I will take him too. I doubt we will see DS1 unless he is hungry or we cut his internet access off. I have onion bread in the bread maker. Making sausage rolls from scratch for the kids for tea and then a lamb, mint and tomato bake for dinner for us all. Really looking forward to that as I love lamb and we don't have it often. I will have to be even more ingenious than I usually am with feeding us all this week as I have £16 until payday but luckily a lot of food in. It has been an incredibly expensive month as tonnes of extras.

£99 for Guinea Pig to be put to sleep.
£200 nearly on 4 pairs of shoes for DD and DS2
£180 for podiatry appointments.
£70 on osteopathy appointments.
£36 for other Guinea Pig to be seen.

And that is all I can remember.

I spend all my money on food and I am going to run it all right down I think as it is ridiculous to think I can't buy a coat for the winter but there is enough food in for weeks.

frenchfancy Sat 21-Sep-13 08:14:23

shock £135 on guinea pig maintenance shock I hope none of mine get poorly. (Well I think one is pregnant but we all know that isn't an illness right?)

I'm sure you will be able to make the food last til payday with an attitude like yours. I'm 2.5 weeks in since my last food shop, I need to last until monday. I've run out of spuds, but I've got carrots in the garden and chips in the freezer. I'm going to make a pie out of some pig cheeks I've got in the freezer for tonight, then stew and dumplings tomorrow.

I'll need my fast day on Monday to recover from the stodge.

MissStrawberry Sat 21-Sep-13 09:02:46

The kids will have to be less fussy and we will be fine. My eldest once moaned I had given them jacket potato twice in one week angry. Unheard of in my house as they don't even get the same thing twice a fortnight/month in some cases.

JB30 Sat 21-Sep-13 10:37:20

Helles thanks for pointing me in direction. I had posted the other evening not realising a new thread was afoot!
Had pig out last night but when I got dressed this morning, I realised how nice my jeans look with my stone off and was freshly invigorated to get my act together! And that 1 bad eating day doesn't make a bad eating week. I reckon I may have gain .5- 1 pound on but I'm not obsessing or going to scale hop until I've another couple of days on track. To be fair I wasn't that far off during the week, just a couple of hiccups.
Feeling a bit poorly, like I'm coming down with a chest thing and I have dd's birthday party today - roll on 5pm when I can collapse! Hope you're all having a lovely Saturday

BsshBossh Sat 21-Sep-13 14:21:44

Angie and MissS terrific losses! Well done.

2nd NFD today. Woke up this morning feeling stuffed so skipped breakfast. But when I looked back to last night's meal to start feeling mad with myself I realised I'd overeaten.... wait for it... mash and vegetables! That made me laugh. Yes, I'd eaten too much of it, but hey... it was only veg. Now, overeating anything is rubbish and I need to be more mindfull of this, but... grin.

MissStrawberry Sat 21-Sep-13 16:33:19

grin at over eating vegetables!

I am doing dinner right now. I have spent all day in the kitchen apart from a detour to iron and play ball in the garden with the cats. This morning I made sausage rolls with apricot (yum) and onion bread. I also made chocolate scones. Dinner is lamb, mint and tomato bake and I am really looking forward to it as we haven't had lamb for a while and I love it.

Talkinpeace Sat 21-Sep-13 16:36:16

I have to be REALLY careful what I eat today as I'll never get my dress zipped up tomorrow otherwise.
And DH bought lunch from Reeves the Baker earlier grin
Still having pizza and wine for supper though!

mummyof2girlsx Sat 21-Sep-13 16:47:58

yum pizza and wine sounds fab TIP

It's my birthday tomorrow so I am am having cider and snacks tonight and a birthday meal tomorrow cooked by DH and no doubt there will be birthday cake too....... I think after all that I'll be ready for Monday's fast!

Enjoy your weekends everyone grin

MissStrawberry Sat 21-Sep-13 17:12:30

I am having posh crisps later grin. Planned on it for the last 2 Saturdays but didn't as wasn't hungry shock.

BsshBossh Sat 21-Sep-13 17:19:52

Gotta love NFD menus. DH is preparing roast chicken, mac 'n' cheese and kale with bacon and garlic for tonight's dinner. Pudding will be a simple fruit salad of orange segments and pomegranate seeds. Have purposefully had a light lunch of marmite on toast followed by an apple to keep my stomach free to enjoy the forthcoming feast.

mummyof2girlsx Sat 21-Sep-13 17:47:46

Enjoy BsshBossh sounds lovely! Its so good to be able to have nice foods and wine at weekends without feeling guilty on this wol grin

I have been doing 5:2 for nearly a year now and after years of dieting, it is such a relief to finally be at my ideal weight and still be able to eat out, eat cake, have the odd takeaway and generally enjoy life without worrying about every calorie that passes my lips smile

MissStrawberry Sat 21-Sep-13 17:52:09

Just had dinner. Was delicious but I may have eaten a little too much. I definitely think my appetite has got smaller so need to remember to serve a smaller portion.

AngieM2 Sat 21-Sep-13 18:35:41

Was 10.6 this morning (pre loo trip) so another 1lb gone. Thankyou very much. Today however, I have 92 calories left and that doesn't include the G&T I'm drinking and the bottle of Rose with my name on it. Oh dear, good job I'm doing PT session followed by spin on monday!

wrigglebum Sat 21-Sep-13 20:33:56

Had a takeaway last night and it was delicious! Chicken tikka masala and a lamb pathia. Had naan, so barely touched the rice, and was stuffed. How did I used to manage popadoms and a side dish too?!

Finally got my hula hoop, and after all my practice with the little one keeping it up in the air is really easy. I know it sounds odd but I'm a little disappointed that I've found it so easy, I can still feel that it's working my abs though. I'll have a look at some of the hoop exercise vids on YouTube and see what else I can do with it now smile. I'll see if I can persuade DH to have a go too!

Finally caught up with you all, and will say a general 'well done' to all you fasters and losers! Lots of good news on this thread.

Miss S as a reluctant cook I have to admire your determination to feed your family well - mine would wonder what had come over me if I served up the sort of stuff you talk about on here!

Didn't fast this week as planned...looked at the school lunch menu and it was one of my favourites so I had to order it! Then I thought I'd probably fast today, but it wasn't practical as I was at a kids' party this pm. I am eating far too much sugar and need to get back in the groove. Last time I weighed I was still only 52kg but dread to think what it would be after today's overindulgence (which is definitely not the same thing as a weekend blowout, because you can feel good about that and I feel crap right now).

Gym tomorrow morning and hopefully I won't have to hop off the treadmill and run to the toilet halfway through like I did on Friday blush

Talkinpeace Sat 21-Sep-13 21:57:11

A heads up for all....
just watched Fabulous Fashionistas on 4OD .... inspirational women and all healthy and fit and comparatively slim ...

JB30 Sun 22-Sep-13 06:29:50

Ah darnit, am coming down with some sort of crappy chesty/throaty thing - awake since 4am, can't sleep. Up watching catch up tv before the kids get up & commandeer it! I really really wanted to do the shred and a run today, get back on track but I absolutely can'tsad I'm not feeling hungry though so might just do a 16:8 since I'm not bothered to eat, just keep the fluids up. Soup for lunch, something nice for dinner. Something with chilli to clear the sinuses!
Really hope the kids lie in, got mad men to watch, ooh Don Drapergrin

eatriskier Sun 22-Sep-13 07:23:03

just a quick drop by for nsv central. I have easily fit into some size 12 jeans as size 10 tops. very happy.

JB30 Sun 22-Sep-13 07:33:38

Congrats EatRiskier, what a feeling! Well done, that'll keep you on track and in check - great lift to the spirits

MissStrawberry Sun 22-Sep-13 12:16:02

DCs not at all impressed we haven't gone out and have mostly left them to their own devices. Good, important reasons so am not in the food for the cheek x 2 that has just come out of my 8 year olds mouth but I have not resorted to the chocolate bag. Not FD today, doing that tomorrow.

MissStrawberry Sun 22-Sep-13 12:17:17

mood hmm not food.

Dotty342kids Sun 22-Sep-13 12:23:33

Just checking in as won't be able to tomorrow due to meetings in London so normal Monday fast will have to be a Tues / Thurs fast again this week. Don't like doing that but needs much smile
Bsshbossh going to try your dahl recipe, sounds yummy.
In the meantime, there's shepherds pie calling me from the oven grin

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Sun 22-Sep-13 12:43:50

Hi

Id like to start this. Been thinking about it for a while and I think the time is right. So Id like to introduce myself.

In the last 18 months Ive gone from being 12st 6lbs size 16 (that were getting too tight) to 10st 12lbs and a size 14 (with the odd 16 suit dress) just by taking up running and cutting down some food.

I started a new job 7 weeks ago and with that I decided that I was only going to drink water at work so I would not associate sitting at my desk with drinking coke or hot chocolate (my previous choice of drinks in the past) and so far that is going well. So now I just need to lose the crap I eat too.

I was hoping that with working I would be too busy to eat, but I find it easier not to eat at home as I get hungrier at work. Of course the constant supply of treats that are brought in (especially with the run up to christmas) to work doesn't help either. But I am determined to give this a go. Especially as now I work full time I am finding it harder to fit in exercise.

I think Monday's and Fridays will be easiest for me to have fast days as I go to a course straight after work on a Monday so out from 8:15 AM till 10:00PM on Mondays. Fridays are good for me too as we go straight to the supermarket so I am out for 12 hours. Plus I can always buy myself a nice treat for Saturday if I manage to stick to under 500 cals on those two days. If I fail I wont buy a treat, does that sound good?

I am out of the habit of eating breakfast anyway too so I think Im half way there.

My TDEE is 1757 as I do have a desk job, though I do Parkrun most Saturdays, but not every week due to visiting relatives once a month. If I run on a sunday and possibly some exercise another day a week I can up my TDEE to 2014. I think it might be worth while. What exercise do other people do?

Anyway hope I do well and its lovely to 'meet' you all.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Sun 22-Sep-13 13:29:20

Sorry should have also said I would like to be anywhere from 9st7 to 10 stone and a size 12 (anything smaller than a 12 I look too thin)

MrsFlorrick Sun 22-Sep-13 13:41:07

Eatriskier. Congrats!! grin Excellent nsv!

Fast day here. Ugh. Had wine last night which isn't helping FD as I want to eat fry ups and chips with mayo (hung over? Moi? Noooo). And after only half a bottle of wine too. At least I am now officially a cheap date grin

Done my workout full fasting and broken fast with cup a soup. Life in the fast lane....

Good luck to other fasters today and those suffering from last nighs wine consumption.

MrsFlorrick Sun 22-Sep-13 13:46:44

Oh and hi biscuitsaremydownfall! Great name and yes biscuits are my enemy too grin

Soups are good on fast days I find and vegetable stir frys are filling too.

People do various things on here. Some only eat once on a fast day-ie big meal others eat two small ones.

I eased myself into fasting by doing what's known as 16:8. That is 16 hours fasting over night with an 8 hour day time window to eat. Ie eat last meal (dinner) of day at 6pm and next morning skip breakfast and start eating again at lunch time and then stop again after dinner. I lost quite a few lbs just doing this.

I can now "manage" an actual fast day with circa 500 cals. I usually do two small meals. And I still do 16:8 during the week but not at weekends.

Others will come and give you more sage advice shortly. grin Welcome.

BetsyBell Sun 22-Sep-13 14:36:38

Hello biscuitsaremydownfall You sound like me when I started 5:2 smile You are in an excellent frame of mind to do this WOE and you should just launch in tomorrow! I'd stick with the lower tdee on weekdays (fast days excepted of course) which will give you slack to bump up your eating at the weekends/social occasions.

The fast days will give you 2 working days when you can virtuously ignore the snacks and that will make it easier to ignore them on the other days (should you want to).

You might find that as you're losing weight so healthily and with the accompanied exercise that you can get down to a lower weigh and size without looking too thin - just slim, healthy and glowing.

Don't punish yourself for fails - we don't condone that here smile Your concept of treats might change too...

What's your plan for your first fast day? I recommend caffeine grin, try and make your calories veg/salad and protein-based. The veg goes a long way and the protein keeps you full for ages: you'd be amazed how filling a boiled egg and a carrot is!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sun 22-Sep-13 15:02:43

Eating my homemade daal smile with chicken and steamed cauli and broccoli. So good.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Sun 22-Sep-13 15:22:24

I plan to do my usual of going to work with no breakfast and having water at my desk. I am going to have a cup a soup for lunch (140 cals) and then go outside for a 10/15 min walk depending on how long of my lunch I have left, this is purely to stop me sitting in the canteen eating something else.

I will then sit at my desk with some more water (I have 2 litre bottles that I fill up at home and take with me, so one for morning and one for afternoon). Then Im not sure. I need food on the go as I have to make way for my course and will be driving so need to eat something about 5ish while sat at my desk. How about a little fruit salad or some veg that will be left over from today (we always have some left over)

While at my course I will have a sachet of options hot chocolate.

Of course that is way less than 500 cals so need to think of what else to eat. We have no eggs in the house ATM so hard boiled egg is not an option right now. How about a low fat yoghurt?

Why do you recommend caffine? I dont like coffee (not too keen on tea either), a colleague takes caffine pills, do I need to purchase some of those then?

BetsyBell Sun 22-Sep-13 15:48:19

Biscuits Don't worry about the caffeine! I've just found my coffee intake has risen sharply since starting this WOE - but then I love coffee, tea - and herbal tea - just most hot drinks really.

Your plan sounds good but a cup a soup is not going to be satisfying and nutritionally void. But, have it with the veggie leftovers (avoid potatoes if possible) anything raw too.

So no eggs in the house... do you have anything proteinous lurking in the fridge you can take with you to eat with the veg and salad? Ham? Leftover roast meat?

Some people find fruit spikes their blood sugar and makes them feel hungrier, and I suppose the same goes for the yogurt, but I would say definitely take them with you as it'll stop you jumping on the office snacks!

It's good to plan exactly what you're going to have and it will really help you tomorrow. Do calorie count it in advance too, then you can see how many eg green beans you can get for the same calories-worth of cup-a-soup!

I find an Options hot choc quite helpful in the evening sometimes.

Remember, the hunger comes in waves - a big drink of water will usually stave off the worst so hold out as long as you can. It sounds like you've got a good busy day tomorrow to keep you distracted.

Good luck and let us know how you get on smile

BetsyBell Sun 22-Sep-13 15:48:58

Eugh, sorry about the essay - hope I haven't put you off biscuits...

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Sun 22-Sep-13 16:01:04

No not at all Betsy. Im obviously a bit scared, but its good to know some of the points you have made. I think I need to practice this week at being hungry or at least not eating at the first sign of hunger, but to ride the waves so to speak. Then on Friday when I do my next load of grocery shopping I can get some things in to help me keep off hunger and start properly next week.

Welcome biscuits Hunger is not the enemy, and when you fancy something on a fast day, just tell yourself 'I can have it tomorrow.'

FD for me today and this is the first time I've sat down apart from in the car or on the toilet grin Gym this morning, then Asda, then home to cleaning the house and organising my wardrobe, yet again. Got the winter boxes out of storage and they are full of stuff that fit last winter (I started this in Feb) and doesn't touch the sides now! More stuff for Ebay plus with a clear out of my saggy knickers, odd socks etc and the hardly worn t-shirts and summery stuff I have SEVEN carrier bags stuffed full for fabric recycling/charity shops. I think between DP and I we could have filled one of those salvation army bins all by ourselves! The joys of being 35kg lighter smile

Good luck MrsF and my fellow Sunday fasters. I might have something to eat later, maybe not, might just hold out til breakfast.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 23-Sep-13 04:54:16

Hi all! I've been off the wagon for a few weeks - and I mean properly off the wagon, hoooooo boy - and everything's a bit tight, so here I am again. DH is back on with me, which will hopefully help.

It's finally feeling like spring here, and I'm in the mood for new, summery FD recipes. Trawling the recipe thread, so if anyone has any lovely recent inventions, go post them! (Because it's all about me).

Also have discovered a ready meal palak paneer in my local supermarket, which claims to be 2 servings but adds up to about 160 cals for the TWO servings together. And is delicious. One of those and some rice? Yes please.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Mon 23-Sep-13 06:32:52

Brilliant nsv EatRiskier a smaller size feels even better than a lower weight.

Good luck today Biscuit, just keep drinking smile

I'm going back to work today after being off all last week with tracheitis during which time I mostly lived on jam sandwiches and stewed fruit with custard. I don't feel 100% yet: my trachea still feels raw and I'm still coughing. How do I know when to start fasting sgain?

JB30 Mon 23-Sep-13 06:40:20

Helles just looked up tracheitis and am wondering if that's what I'm suffering from? Losing my voice, sore/raw throat, itchy ears, barking cough - generally miserable and unsure if I can make it to worksad Thinking of going to doc today, unsure if it needs anti b's? I wasn't glad to feel this way yesterday but I did think it work help me fast, wrong! Didn't eat til lunch but then made up for it! Amazing what you can force down a sore throat when you make an effort!

Get well soon helles and JB

Made it through fast day yesterday without a crumb, just loads of peppermint tea.

Left my Fitbit in the gym changing room on Friday evening, went straight back but it was gone sad However, the lovely people at Fitbit are sending me a new one, hurrah! grin

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Mon 23-Sep-13 07:38:00

JB30 do you have a pain level with your heart when you breath? No matter how hard you cough, nothing comes up? When you breath in, your ribs pull in? Breathing is noisy?

There are two forms: viral and bacterial, I tend to get bacterial so I get antibiotics and, because I'm asthmatic, steroids 《yuck》

I hope you haven't got it because it is horrible. Closest I've ever come to dying.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 23-Sep-13 07:57:20

Postmanpatscat, that's brilliant that they're sending a replacement! I lost my charger a few months back and sent them an email asking how I could buy a replacement (as wasn't on their site) and they sent me a new one gratis. As if I couldn't love them more.

Zero calorie fast, though, that's hardcore.

Hey, can anyone advise me...I'm trying to create a calorie-counted prawn & spinach curry recipe. How many prawns is a reasonable/generous portion, do we think? 200g?

JB30 Mon 23-Sep-13 08:21:56

Oh god * Helles* that sounds hideous, no no mine isn't anywhere in that league. Probably a resp tract infection - I'm going to the doctor this avo as while its probably viral, I'll need a note for work as I just can't go - voice is gone, throat and chest very sore. I look like death, ain't no amount of make up get me looking human! Paper bag might be the answer (doubling as mask and breathing apparatus!)
Hungry'ish but I'm going to fast. I reckon I can sleep soon so that'll help

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Mon 23-Sep-13 08:44:12

Tortoise I usually have 90g (no shell)

JB30 it sounds like an upper respiratory tract infection. Or flu. Either way, I hope you feel better soon. Work have tried to send me home already sad going back to gp though for more antibiotics.

NotAsTired Mon 23-Sep-13 09:08:32

helles that sounds awful. Hopefully, it will all clear up soon. JB30, I hope you feel better soon. My DS has been suffering from a sore throat, his voice is croaky (he keeps saying that his voice is breaking grin) and he has started to cough and this morning he said he had a headache. I dread winter because he has a permanent cough until about April. sad

Anyway, I had a good birthday weekend. Had lovely food but did not overdo it. Back on the FD wagon today.

EstoyAqui Mon 23-Sep-13 09:15:24

Right, I'm back in. I'm currently still 71.1kgs. The kids are back at school and I'm determined to lose those last few kgs. Today I'm fasting and I'm not going to eat until tomorrow dinner time. A lovely long fast with loads of fruit teas will really kick me back off. Plus I've been scoffing all weekend and feel sick from overdoing it.

BetsyBell Mon 23-Sep-13 09:30:36

Good morning! Fast day here and just realised my planned meal would (probably) be excellent with cauliflower rice... I've never made it but see it on here all the time so need your tried and tested recipes for it if possible smile - there's none on the recipe thread! shock

BetsyBell Mon 23-Sep-13 09:33:07

Hope all you sore-throaters get better soon, I was suffering a bit a couple of weeks ago but luckily it didn't turn into anything nasty. After the most unpleasant bout of tonsillitis last year I really sympathise - I now get the fear everytime my throat's twingy. Rest up if you can xx

wrigglebum Mon 23-Sep-13 09:36:40

Tortoise- 100g is a very generous portion. I love the hairy dieters prawn curry- you can find it on the forth post here.

JB30 Mon 23-Sep-13 10:02:37

Ok - rethinking the FD plan for today, I just can't do itsad
Tdee will have to do - that god for the flexibility of this WOL.

EstoyAqui Mon 23-Sep-13 10:56:41

My cauli rice is adapted from the one Mumsnet gave me to test. I use a whole cauliflower. Blitz it on pulse in the magimix, heat some sesame oil in a wok, add cauliflower and turn heat right down, shake and cover for about 2 mins, drizzle over light soy sauce, shake and generally make sure the flavours are mixed in. Turn heat back up, Add a quick dash of rice wine vinegar or white wine vinegar and it steams up really quickly. Transfer to bowl and eat.

NotAsTired Mon 23-Sep-13 12:15:42

Jb30. I did think fd for when you are feeling so poorly was a bit ambitious, although I did not like to say! Abandoning fd is probably a good idea. smile Feed your body with lots of nutrious stuff - do you have soup in, maybe avocado and tomato salad? Take good care of yourself.

NotAsTired Mon 23-Sep-13 12:17:56

nutritious

JB30 Mon 23-Sep-13 12:21:37

Oh dear, toast and maltesers probably don't fit into the nutritious category do theyblush But I've stepped away from the trough now - will make better choices for the rest of the day, didn't manage to get a nap in but might manage it after visit to doc. That'll finish me off for sure!

Morning all. First weigh in for me and I've lost 4 pounds in a week. I usually have a big dip in my first week of anything, so expect steadier progress in future. Very gratifying though!

Fd for me today and I can't wait to get the kids and theirpesky porridge out of the door. Curiously, one of them has a sore throat too!
Hope you're all feeling better soon.

Doitnow Mon 23-Sep-13 12:32:58

Morning. Just checking in with the new thread. FD for me too today. Am in the office today. Know what you all mean regarding office snacks. My place is full of them. It's so much easier just knowing you can't have anything rather than just having a little bit.

Hope everyone has a good day.

AngieM2 Mon 23-Sep-13 12:58:22

whim great start! FD for me, have just done PT session and spin at the gym and right now I would happily eat my own belly button fluff! Seriously feeling the hunger today. Going to go out now and buy a new curtain rail (not to eat) and come back and clean the windows! Living the dream.

JB30 Mon 23-Sep-13 13:02:41

Brilliant start Whim
Oh Angie serious stomach churn thereconfused That's going help me keep my head out of the fridge.
Doitnow keep reading Angie's post - that'll keep you away from the food lol!

Thanks guys. I can't believe how much exercise you're doing angie. I content myself with walking to preschool on fds. It is 2miles though, and I do have to cross a 7 lane road. Terrifying! Seeing such immediate progress is definitely making the idea more appealing, although it's not making me any less hungry.

eatriskier Mon 23-Sep-13 13:28:34

Bit of a hard FD here today. Both kids around but also DH, which has meant my usual routine is out. Last FD I had intense hunger that was short lived. Today I have low level hunger that won't seem to go away. I think that's more irritating!

Well done whim

Hope everyone starts feeling better soon.

Talkinpeace Mon 23-Sep-13 13:36:32

decided not to fast today
both DH and I shattered from the weekend and DS just come home ill from school so will fast another day
which is why 5:2 works

BsshBossh Mon 23-Sep-13 14:06:06

Get well soon JB30 and Helles.
Fab start whimsicalname.
Welcome Biscuits. Hope today's going well for you.
eatriskier oh it's such a pain when normal routines go out of whack. It's why I couldn't fast over the school holidays; and it's also why I've rescheduled a work meeting [that usually involves food] for a NFD this week (just because I can, and also because I want to stick to my Monday/Thursday routine so soon after getting back into 5:2.

FD today, going great. Monday's are always easy for me.

MissStrawberry Mon 23-Sep-13 14:29:50

Had an horrendously busy morning then yet more bad news but didn't crack as fasting. Had thinnest piece of home made toasted onion bread for breakfast and one tiny home made sausage and apricot roll for lunch. Having diet chef chicken curry (200 and something cals) for dinner so should be fine at claiming FD. Last Diet chef food left, thank fully.

Tomorrow I have an important, difficult meeting so will probably get something nice from M&S to eat on the way home.

somewherebecomingrain Mon 23-Sep-13 15:03:11

Hello fellow fasters bssh and missS angellabbie and anyone else. Courage, think health, think long life and if your will gets weak think how great your gonna look (or already look!) and betsey I always repeat to myself 'put down that biscuit you can have it tomorrow!'

Misss What is diet chef food?

I'm hopefully going to achieve 650 today. My milky coffees are less cans than I thought - 50 - and if I can stick to three then ill make it. I seem to be gradually eating less on fast days. If I'm feeling relaxed enough I might try a really small dinner of 250 cals - have just made Tarka Dal from the mini spencer fast diet cookbook.

BetsyBell Mon 23-Sep-13 16:14:20

Fab, thanks estoy smile

Neeko Mon 23-Sep-13 16:25:26

Hi. Can I join you all? I'm a seasoned ww and it really works for me if I count the points but I'm bored by it and want to try to change my eating habits. I haven't been watching what I've been eating since June and have been lucky to only put on a few pounds.
I have ten-fourteen pounds that I want to shift and would like to shrink my stomach inside and out smile
I have just started using MFP and plan to make tomorrow my first fast day.
I have a very social weekend this weekend and was going to wait until next week to start but decided that was only an excuse.
Have read some of the thread and sounds like many of you are doing brilliantly. I'm hoping you'll keep me inspired smile.

vieenrose Mon 23-Sep-13 16:27:34

Hello to all fellow fasters
NSV for me at the weekend. I went and bought myself a size 10 pair of skinny bright orange jeans and not only did they fit but I think it's fair to say they look good.
DP told me I looked 15 years younger. I just blurted out that this WOE has brought me back amongst the living. For 10 years after having DS1 and then DS2 I felt I'd been burried alive in 30 pounds of fat. I hope I'm not being to melodramatic but it's truly what I feel like.
Thank you everybody for all your support and keep up the good work

janey1234 Mon 23-Sep-13 16:41:06

First FD for me. It's not been easy as DS has a cold an is grouchy, so I've been stuck inside breast feeding a baby and being bored! Having said that it's nowhere near as bad as I thought and yesterday I made a v low calorie chickpea curry that we're having for tea. I'm thinking that I can do this relatively easy on a Monday and weds or Thursday, is that what most of you do? Then eat normally on other days?
Really hope this works for me - I want to lose two stone before buying my wedding dress and plan to do that in January... Realistic do you think?
Well done to all of you doing so well - inspiring!

frenchfancy Mon 23-Sep-13 16:44:52

vienrose I don't think you are being melodramatic at all. I feel the same way. And grin to the size tens

AngieM2 Mon 23-Sep-13 16:57:42

Yes vie I feel the same...carried around an extra 14+lbs since having my kids 11 years ago. This plan has been a revelation....wish I'd found it years ago rather than wasting time with WW, SW, slimfast etc...whim I changed gym the week I started this (July) and I'm loving the variety at the new place, I feel so much better than 3 months ago...though I'm blinking starving at the minute (FD)

MissStrawberry Mon 23-Sep-13 17:12:00

somewhere Diet Chef is a company that supplies all the food you need each month. You say your height and weight and it works out what you need to eat to get to your ideal weight. I did lose some weight but after a few months I was sick of the food and sick of cooking separately and not being able to eat "normal" food and since October had lost nothing. Expensive too.

Last minute appointment so had to produce 2 packed teas for DD and DS1 with very empty cupboards and fridge so I made up muffin mixture and made half olive flavour and the others chocolate chips. Kids happy. I am looking forward to one tomorrow.

silverbeetle Mon 23-Sep-13 17:47:57

vieenrose that's great well done you grin. It's so nice to climb out of a fat body and find that there really was a thin one lurking inside.

FD here for me , nothing to eat yet today. Just 'see through tea'. I'm looking forward to my fish and vegetables . AND if I put on another lb this week like I have for the last 2 I'll be here on Fri morning having a good moan about it. I just don't get it !
Welcome neeko , well done to * whimsical and vieenrose

Hope your dress looked amazing tip
And where are youswallowed ? Not heard from you in ages, hope you are okay.

NotAsTired Mon 23-Sep-13 18:29:41

vieenrose I felt that I lost myself for a good four years in blubber, but now, I'm back. Feeling great.

FD over. Had Cajun fried fish, 50g of mash and loads of green beans, yum. Just waiting for DP to make me a cup of tea so that I can eat my chocolate with it. I am actually full to the brim, I too find that I don't need to eat much on FD anymore.

missstrawberry homemade sausages? Onion bread? I am seriously impressed. I think I am in awe.

AngieM2 Mon 23-Sep-13 18:46:48

FD dinner finished. 2 m&s smoked salmon parcels (290 cals) with salad followed by a 10 cal jelly. Might have a cereal bar with a cuppa later - that would bring me in below 400 for today.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Mon 23-Sep-13 18:59:03

Woo-hoo! Despite lying around all last week eating jam sandwiches and bowls of custard and despite just having eaten and despite not having 《ahem》evacuated for a couple of days, the gp just weighed me and I am down to 14st 0lb - 5lbs lost over the past two weeks smile

MissStrawberry Mon 23-Sep-13 19:04:25

Well done Helles!

BsshBossh Mon 23-Sep-13 20:01:14

Well done Helles.
MrsS I am in serious awe at your cooking skills. Please can you share your muffin recipe (especially the one with olives; and could I add feta cheese to it?).
All newbies welcome.

FD over. Broke fast with grapes and apple and will soon eat my customary FD dal and rice.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Mon 23-Sep-13 20:14:02

I'm having gobi dal for lunch tomorrow bssh but I'm in 2 minds about whether to make it aloo gobi dal.

Itsaboatjack Mon 23-Sep-13 20:23:10

FD nearly over. I was quite hungry during the day today but fine now, not even head hunger. Not exactly sure what my calorie count was as I had left over spicy lentils and butternut squash bake, I didn't have the cheesy potato topping though, instead had it with rocket salad.

Hope everyone else's FDs went well. I'm going to go back and catch up now as I've not been on here all weekend.

JB30 Mon 23-Sep-13 20:31:09

Great work Helles My doc was looking at my last visit notes from when the nurse said I was down 6 kgs, sez to me 'I see you've lost loads of weight' I was praying she wouldn't weigh me again! After a weekend of munching I was scared I'd be up 5 pounds lol!
As suspected resp tract - feeling yock

eatriskier Mon 23-Sep-13 20:41:42

well done helles

well just about got through that day. next FD is weds instead on Thurs. I love when dh takes time off work but it really screws with normality and routine.

MissStrawberry Mon 23-Sep-13 20:44:31

Bssh feta chees with olives would be amazing. TBH you can add anything you want to olives.

Basic Muffin Recipe -

9oz/250g plain flour
3 teaspoons/15ml baking powder
1/2 teaspoon/2.5ml salt (I never add salt and they still work)
3oz/85g white granulated sugar (I often add half the amount and they still taste lovely)
1 egg
8fl oz/240ml milk
3 fl oz/90 ml corn oil or 3 oz/85g butter, melted

Prepare muffin tins with liners or grease them. Preheat oven to 375-400F/190-200C or gas mark 5-6.

In a large bowl sift together the flour, baking powder, and salt. Stir in sugar and set aside. (I never sift, works fine. You can stir well with a fork if you prefer.)

In a separate bowl beat the egg with a fork and add the milk and then the oil/melted butter.

Pour all liquid ingredients into the dry mixture (add the olives now) and stir until just combined. Only stir for 30 seconds and all the dry flour should be mixed in and is fine that the mixture is lumpy. (Gently add the cheese now).

Fill the muffin cases 3/4 full or to the top for really large muffins. Bake for 20-25 minutes until tops are lightly browned and spring back when pressed gently. Allow to cook in tin for several minutes (they get incredibly hot!). Lovely warm, fine cold, fine the next day but not any longer I wouldn't say.

ENJOY!

MissStrawberry Mon 23-Sep-13 20:46:08

I am tired, but pleasantly so as had a productive day but feeling a bit spaced out due to it being a FD. How do I sort that?

Breadandwine Mon 23-Sep-13 21:04:20

MissS, I do admire your energy - and your cooking skills.

Perhaps you need an early night!

Welcome to all the newcomers to the thread - you're in the right place!

Had to smile at your nickname, Biscuit!

I've come to the conclusion there is only one safe way to eat a biscuit - and that's to take one (that's one!) with you when you leave the house. And don't eat it until you're well away from the danger zone! grin

JB30 Mon 23-Sep-13 21:10:33

I tried to post but I lost it somehow? I was just saying maybe you should have an early night MissS - prob a bit of light headed'ness/spaced out from hunger?

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Mon 23-Sep-13 21:15:17

FD's definitely benefit from an early night!

So the gp said suspected resp infection JB30? Is it viral? Do you just have to wait it out? I went back today - chest is wheezy but not crackly smile

MissStrawberry Mon 23-Sep-13 21:16:42

I am going to bed at 10. Another very busy day tomorrow with more emotional pressure too but at least I can eat grin.

Salbertina Mon 23-Sep-13 21:18:13

Damn, posted on older thread. Well, i achieved my first fast day in months today, v pleased with self grin
Hoping on the up now, part of kicking self into gear.
Hello to everyone else!

JB30 Mon 23-Sep-13 21:31:42

Yep Helles actually laryngitis to be exact, I was saying to her I thought it was resp tract and she said well yeah, it's in the same area. And yep, wait it out, no talking. All viral but to watch I dont start coughing a lot as it could mean its going bacterial while its just viral. I feel very poorly at the min tbh, hot/uncomfortable and very little voice. Rest for next couple of days and hopefully I'll be back to my normal chatty self.
Might wander off to my bed soon. Rubbish sleep last night, tossing/turning/dry cough. Here's hoping for a better night

southeastdweller Mon 23-Sep-13 22:09:54

Hi everyone. Back from Bristol where much delicious crap was consumed. The foodie scene there is great and I loved every minute, though not so nice having a fire alarm go off due to a small fire in the hotel this morning so we were all evacuated at 5am! I couldn't get back to sleep and have had copious amounts of caffeine and sugar today but also squeezed in some cardio sessions at Pure Gym. Fasting tomorrow as usual and may even do a mini-fast or another fast day later in the week, depending on what the scales say on Wednesday morning...

Going to read back a few pages to catch up on what everyone else has been up to since I last visited on Friday.

Cat98 Mon 23-Sep-13 22:15:47

Hello!
I haven't been on here for ages but I'm still fasting!
Been doing it since the beginning of June, and I still love this way of eating.
I'm at goal weight, and weirdly I seem to have stabilised here! I'm now doing 1 day of 500 cals and 1 day of 700 cals a week.
Hope everyone is doing ok!
Good luck to tomorrow's fasters. I've just finished my 700 cal day; 500 cals on thurs.

Lots of successes today especially helles flowers to you all!

BsshBossh Mon 23-Sep-13 22:37:04

MissS thanks for the muffin recipe. I do savoury muffins for DD as an alternative to sandwiches but she finds my recipe a bit too rich (it uses 2 eggs plus yoghurt plus milk). Yours looks lighter. Can't wait to try it.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Mon 23-Sep-13 22:39:00

What a fast moving thread!!!

Well I had a go today and did quite well. I was on 299 cals so now drinking an options hot choc and have eaten 5 4 segments of popping candy chocolate orange so that's 555 all day. It's a lot better than normal, especially not eating the full chocolate orange in one go blush OK so it's higher than what I'm allowed but I'm still learning.

Also someone brought in biscuits to work which I avoided angry grin

I felt a bit light headed earlier, a bit like I was drunk. I'm assuming it was due to lack of food. Just read up and seen it could be.

Well done on everyone's achievements today.

Well I've survived the kids' tea - cheese toasties. I let them have loads of ketchup so they ate their crusts instead of me picking at them. Latte for breakfast (100 cal), 2 slices of prosciutto and cantaloupe for lunch andbeef and broccoli stir fry for supper which I haven't had yet. And a trashy novel while my husband takes thekkids to tae kwon do. Bliss!

Dotty342kids Tue 24-Sep-13 06:34:20

Morning all! DH woke me up when he got up to leave for work at 5.30 so today could be a long day. And, due to having London meetings yest, it's a fast day so may need to check in often today for support smile

Who's fasting with me today?

EstoyAqui Tue 24-Sep-13 07:00:06

Morning Dotty I'm still fasting from yesterday and am hoping to go until 7pm tonight. DH is away this evening so I'm going to break my fast with a massive Caeser salad and some crispy grilled bacon crumbled in. He hates that so I save it for when I'm alone and can really enjoy it.

I'm about to weigh myself so wish me luck.

Neeko Tue 24-Sep-13 07:39:41

First fast for me today Dotty. I'm quite nervous but also strangely excited smile. Any super tips, anyone?

EstoyAqui Tue 24-Sep-13 07:55:35

Keep yourself busy. Drink lots of cold water. If you feel like giving up wait for 5 minutes and see how you feel then. Every tummy rumble means your body is burning fat. Try different teas to see which you like. Plan a treat for tomorrow when you've finished.

Good luck. You can do this.

janey1234 Tue 24-Sep-13 08:02:26

Neeko - I did my first fast day yesterday so am far from an expert! But saved all my calories for dinner and counted down the hours to that. Fresh mint in boiling water really helped. On the whole it really was ok though - and such a good feeling this morning knowing I did it! Plus no desire to eat lots today to 'make up' for it which surprises me!

Good luck

Salbertina Tue 24-Sep-13 08:16:56

Janey, thats what works for me best too

dotty and neeko I'm fasting too. Just having the first of many cups of peppermint tea! Carrot and coriander soup for lunch and that may be all I have today. Gym after work, then plenty of ironing to keep me busy this evening. Teen DC are desperate to make brownies tonight so they might as well cook their own dinner while they're at it grin DP is away so I can avoid the kitchen apart from the kettle...no, hang on a minute, DC can make my tea while they're in there!

BsshBossh Tue 24-Sep-13 08:26:05

Neeko remind yourself that whatever it is you are craving today, you can eat it tomorrow. That always keeps me going.

Good luck today's fasters. It's a NFD for me today and tomorrow and I'm actually stuck for what to eat. Didn't bother with breakfast today as wasn't hungry for it and can't think what I fancy for lunch. How times have changed for me.

eatriskier Tue 24-Sep-13 08:33:03

The day between fasts today. may not be a good one. DS is 1 today so cake to be had. wishing all fasters luck today.

coveredinweetabix Tue 24-Sep-13 08:34:09

It's time for me to de-lurk as I've been doing this for 4 weeks today and have maintained my weight beautifully but need to lose at least a stone. The first two weeks I did 4:3 and have then done two weeks of 5:2. My problem has been that, after 13 months of calorie counting, I am so excited to have freedom to eat whatever I want on NFDs, that I've got a bit carried away. This wasn't helped by the fact that when I first calculated my TDEE, I did it on the basis that I was exercising 4 or 5 times a week but have actually really struggled with exercise as I find it impossible on fast days (although am going to try to Shred tonight) and have been really busy/away/had poorly DC on the other days so, apart from my weekly Zumba classes, have done no exercise at all.
I tend to fast on Tues and a Fri so am fasting today. I have to say that I find them a real struggle although am gradually learning the tricks that help me and the headaches are lessening.

somewherebecomingrain Tue 24-Sep-13 09:16:00

Well done newbies janey and bscuit. Good luck neeko this thread is v motivating so by joining it you've helped yourself already.

I'm finally off my plateau. Ok I've done a weigh in after fast day but I always do. Lowest has been 11.5 but today 11.3. I'm sure that isn't going to bounce back up to 11.7.

EstoyAqui Tue 24-Sep-13 09:31:11

I'M SHOUTING THIS HERE: 69.8kgs.

I AM IN THE 60s

YAY, YAY, YAY, YAY

Self indulgent post over. I never thought I would crack the 70s but I did it. Keep up the great work those who are fasting today. You can do it.

JB30 Tue 24-Sep-13 09:51:55

Estoy you shout away! That's brilliant, well done

invinoveritas51 Tue 24-Sep-13 09:58:57

Well done all you losers! It's great motivation to stick with it. I have a quick question: I think I will find it far easier on NFD during the week to not eat during the day as with a FD but just have a more "relaxed" evening meal. Does anyone else do this and does it work?! The one thing I have discovered about my eating by following 5:2/4:3 is that if I have breakfast I am starving all day whereas if I don't have anything I can go for hours quite happily.

Have not been too good at sticking to the basics of 5:2 over the past few weeks for various reasons but had a great FD yesterday so am hoping I am back in the groove again.

Good luck to all fasters (and non-fasters!) today.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 24-Sep-13 10:09:29

Well done Estoy!

invino I'm not sure how that would work. I think part of the thing that makes 5:2 work is the variation which shakes up your metabolism - so not eating all day all the time may not work.

FD for me today. And my period has arrived this morning. Not sure how these two things are going to work in combination, but I shall give it a go and see how I get on.
I have gained a pound or two of water weight, but that is a TOTM thing. Tomorrow is my weigh in day and I will hope to still see a loss.

Good luck fellow fasters. And my only tip for newbies is to steer clear of the sweets and chocolate on a fast day - unless you just have one or two squares for 'pudding' after your dinner. All they do is send your blood sugars crashing and make you hungrier so it makes fasting harder.

Dotty342kids Tue 24-Sep-13 10:16:15

ooh, nice to see some new faces. Hello everyone!
Tips, keep busy, busy, busy. For me, I find it helps to head into the kitchen at about 4-5pm to start prepping whatever I'm having for NFD dinner as then I know food is on the way! Other people though, find avoiding it until necessary is the way to go.
And I often have a glass of diet coke at about 3-4pm when I'm starting to flag as that peps me up until dinner time.

BsshBossh Tue 24-Sep-13 10:19:38

Estoy woohoo!
invino the risk with not eating until the evening on a NFD is that you will simply consume too few calories over the course of the week and negatively affect your metabolism over the longterm. I rarely feel like having breakfast on NFDs but always eat a good lunch and dinner thereby ensuring my calories ovet the week are at a good leel and my metabolism is kept strong.

BsshBossh Tue 24-Sep-13 10:20:26

*over the week
*good level

<stupid keyboard>

Breadandwine Tue 24-Sep-13 10:46:24

Wow! Brilliant to see all the newcomers to 5:2 on the thread - welcome one and all!

Invino what you're suggesting is a version of 16:8, where you don't eat during the day and only eat later. That, combined with 2 fast days is a good plan, I reckon.

I'm maintaining, but I still fast once a week - this time it's a complete liquid fast. All I had yesterday was black coffee and water, so it's been 38 hours since I ate. Once again, this started for convenience. It's easier, IMO - and I think PostmanPatscat finds this as well - to go without food entirely for a day. I'm lucky in that I don't get hungry when I don't eat. When I do, boy, do I get hungry! I have to employ all the tricks not to overeat - such as waiting 20 or 30 minutes after a meal to see if I really do want that pudding! grin

I shall exercise before I eat, so I won't be eating until about twelve - and I know, when I look at my breakfast (curried fruit naan with mashed banana and flaxseed), I'll be reluctant to eat. Always feel like that after a fast.

Best wishes to all who are fasting today - and you NFDers. Remember, the only safe way to eat a biscuit is to take one (that's one!) out of the house with you - and don't eat it until you're halfway down the street! grin

invinoveritas51 Tue 24-Sep-13 11:08:53

Thanks for the advice bsshbossh and B&W - I should've said that I plan to do this Monday to Friday but then relax at the weekends and eat normally. I do worry that my non-existent metabolism might give up completely so thought this way might keep it in a state of expectation/confusion!

JB30 Tue 24-Sep-13 11:51:19

I'm not fasting but I am cutting back today, sickness isn't going to be solved by crisps even if that's what I had for breakfast
Bowl of soup in the next hour - hopefully it'll hit the spot

Talkinpeace Tue 24-Sep-13 12:04:57

invino
I do not eat breakfast except for on a Sunday.
I have a very small lunch and have the bulk of my calories at supper.
On fast days I have all but my milk in tea calories at supper.
I'm not trying to lose weight but am determined not to put any back on.
It seems to work.

My top tip is don't watch the food channel. I couldn't work out why I was so hungry/angry while I was!

Breadandwine Tue 24-Sep-13 12:35:42

Broke my fast - after 40 hours - with a small breakfast, then immediately set the timer for 20 minutes.

This is the danger time for me, so I have to be on my guard.

About tips for new fasters - the most obvious tip I should have said, is to read the Tips and Links thread There is a wealth of good info on there.

If anyone is looking for motivation, and you have a bit of time, I'd recommend you browse the earlier 5:2 threads. They've been going for over a year now, and they contain many inspiring stories.

B&W love that biscuit tip!

FD herre, and probabaly teh only one this week, so I#d better make it goo. I'm about to sepnd my lunch hour at teh designer second hand boutique round teh corner - nothing like the thought of St Andrews ball gown to keep me motivated!

Well done estoy and somewhere

B&W I'm less hardcore today and am actually going to fast and eat! I did, however, resist the cakes in the staffroom this morning as the birthday girl wasn't in there when I passed through (so apart from fasting, it also seemed rude to start without her!)

melanie hope you find something gorgeous in a size 8 and post the pic on here!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 24-Sep-13 12:50:04

Urgh FD failure alert. sad

I just couldn't do it. The combination of hunger, period pain, coldness and that awful tiredness from first day of period has overcome me.

I ate two chocolate biscuits, then got a grip and had my usual granola, yoghurt and fruit breakfast about an hour ago. And actually it was over 16 hours since I had last eaten so not entirely a wasted day.

Going to plan to fast tomorrow instead, so this week may end up as a 6:1 instead of a 5:2 but that's ok.

Neeko Tue 24-Sep-13 12:52:42

So far so good for me today. Just had some homemade tomato and lentil soup for lunch and a diet coke. Already have my veg prepared for roasting tonight.
Think I will find giving the kids their dinner hard.
Thanks for all the welcomes and the tips. Some of you ladies are hardcore smile

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Tue 24-Sep-13 13:40:36

FD today - for the newbies, I prefer to eat three small meals on fd's. Egg for breakfast. Gobi dal, blueberries and low fat yoghurt at lunch. Chicken and steamed veg for tea. I also have a truffle at the end of every fd smile

Talkinpeace Tue 24-Sep-13 13:48:00

Neeko
You'll find fixing the kids meal far easier than you think so long as you do it with 'awareness' : I've handed round buffet platters at meetings while fasting. Get funny looks but hey ho.
And Breadandwine is more hardcore than most of us - but he's planning to be lean and mean when his newly born grandchildren are teenagers I suspect.

MissStrawberry Tue 24-Sep-13 14:56:00

Well done for the losses and FD survivors flowers.

I had a meeting this morning that was hard so I treated myself to a Caesar salad from M&S and it has much less calories than I expected from it. Having lamb chops and new potatoes for dinner and I may have a home made olive muffin later if still peckish.

No great finds in the clothes shop - everything I tried on looked too floaty and big! Except for one gorgeous pair of knee-high boots in a sort of patchwork purple and green tweed and leather mix. One fitted perfectly, the other wouldn't go over my calf! I'm pretty sure I exercise my legs equally.

wrigglebum Tue 24-Sep-13 17:30:42

Well target is 9st7 and was 9st7.6 this morning after FD yesterday, so really close! I seem to have a mega appetite today though, so will probably be quite a bit more than that tomorrow smile. Got a headache and achey joints, so some sort of bug brewing. Add in a 4.30 start this morning (thanks ds2!) and no wonder I just want to eat junk.

Was planning a FD tomorrow but will have to see how sleep and illness go.

Dotty342kids Tue 24-Sep-13 17:35:14

I swear the scales showed 10st 8 this morning which would be a 3lb gain on Friday's weigh in so hoping I was hallucinating grin
Fast day today has gone ok though did find myself eating a fairly small piece of home made apple cake at 3.45 which wasn't quite in the plan. So made sure I had a particularly small bowl of pasta with home made tomato sauce in it for my dinner just now.
Out to zumba toning shortly, to atone for my apple cake related sins smile

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Tue 24-Sep-13 18:17:08

Ended on 664 after automatically making and eating a slice of toast to go with my egg this morning. Otherwise it would have come in under 500. I will just have to be more conscious on thursday morning!

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Tue 24-Sep-13 19:25:02

I'm hungry today and it's not even a fast day sad although I'm close to my 1740 limit now. I need to find time to exercise properly so I can have more food on a NFD, I just don't know when to fit it in.

Well done on the weight losses.

I have just broken my fast, which was a 24hr clear liquids only one. I had (vegan version of!) jollof rice, with loads of chilli sauce and it was gorgeous.

Anyway, hello! I've been doing various combinations of fasting for a while and have lost two stone ten pounds. I still have about two stone to lose.

I'm finding a general 18:6 pattern with one or two liquid only fasting days a week is working beautifully for me, after much experimentation, where I still lost weight but it just didn't really suit me. I love being able to eat meal sized meals and loathe the time calorie counting takes - also, I have a history of eating disorder and calorie counting tends to make me go all obsessive. Simple rules don't!

Pollysbubble Tue 24-Sep-13 19:36:30

Hello All,
Well done to all on losses, and NSVs.
I have been quietly lurking here for the last couple of months after a few initial posts when I got started on this way of eating - but I am steadily plugging away and have now lost about a stone since June! So after edging very close to the 13 stone mark I am now into the 11s! (Only just - but it is the first time post-baby that I have seen 11 on the scales so am feeling pretty pleased)
But most pleasing thing of all is that I don't feel like I am about to throw in the towel and go back to old eating habits and put all the weight back on - which would have been the case with all other diets in the past. It honestly feels like this woe is something I will be able to sustain, as I don't feel like I am being deprived. 'I can have it tomorrow' is definitely my top tip! As well of course as these threads.... The support and motivation I get from keeping up with you all on here is amazing, so thank you to all of you!

BsshBossh Tue 24-Sep-13 19:58:34

Wow, lots of newcomers (well, not newcomers to 5:2, but to the thread). Welcome smile

JB30 Tue 24-Sep-13 20:12:47

Had a pretty successful mini fast style day, since nothing made me feel good, decided self medicating with food was pointless, yesterday's munching proved that!
Really great to see so many joining in, had to laugh at magazine piece about different diets, saying 5:2 is too hard - best/easiest WL plan I've ever done! If nothing else, the fact I can accept hunger and get on with it, that's massive for me. Another wish for a decent sleep, surely after 5 bad nights a good one is due?!?!?

eatriskier Tue 24-Sep-13 20:18:27

Conversations you never thought you'd have with yourself before starting this woe:
-no, you cannot have another ale. I don't care if you want it. You've had a chocolate bar, a slice of birthday cake and have one on the go already. You are not allowed all the treats.

Old me would have stuffed the lot and more.

eatriskier Tue 24-Sep-13 20:19:23

Oh and welcome thread newcomers, well done losers and nsvers.

MissStrawberry Tue 24-Sep-13 20:51:25

Just sat down to enjoy the last chocolate chip muffin as kids had eaten all the others and took my first bite.



It was an olive one!

Very nice all the same though. I am good. grin

Neeko Tue 24-Sep-13 21:05:08

Well I've survived my first FD. I'm hungry but there's something pleasing about it, like I've achieved something. smile
Made a rookie error by being lazy and buying my roasted veg all cut up. It was only as I was eating that it twigged I'd "wasted" over 100 calories (more than a fifth of the total shock) on oil included in the veggies! Won't be making that mistake again. Will be cutting my own veggies from now on...
Whoever said the kids tea would be ok was right. Who knew I had such steely determination?
I survived a Tesco shop today too tho there may be a wee nice something in the cupboard for tomorrow.
Heading for an early night. Thanks for all the support and tips today. Bizarrely quite looking forward to my next FD on Thursday.

Well done polly on your loss and neeko on your fast.

I had about 450 in total today and haven't struggled at all. I love 5:2!

southeastdweller Tue 24-Sep-13 21:49:31

FD over now and it's been one of my easiest in the eight months I've been doing this, I think because I was busy at work and slept OK for a change. Had nothing until lunch when I had my usual coffee with skimmed milk and skinny salt and sweet popcorn (all 180 cals). Kept my hands out of the biscuit tub that sits five feet behind me but one of the contractors brought in some sweets so I had three of them (about 70 cals in total). Veg, chilli seeds and sardines for dinner.

Good luck and welcome to the newbies. I've been maintaining with very little effort for two months and feel reinvented, as well as having a much healthier relationship with food. This WOL is truly life-changing in several ways. I thought I was doomed to be fat but I know now that none of us are. You can all do this smile.

Shanster Wed 25-Sep-13 02:30:41

Sorry I mostly lurk on here - I have been fasting for about 2 months and have lost about 8lbs in total to the magic under 9st point, and recruited my husband to join in too. I really find fasting quite easy now, and like how it has changed the way I think about food/hunger. But I have one really odd side effect which makes it harder - the evening after my fast days, it takes me forever to get to sleep, and then I have really bad nightmares. This has been a consistent problem for me - does anyone else experience this, and if so, any suggestions on what I could do about it? I normally have a coffee in the morning, soup for lunch and about 300 calories worth of salad or stir fry veg for dinner. Any tips would be appreciated!!!!

Welcome shanster no advice I'm afraid but well done on your loss.

I'm 600g lighter after yesterday's fast and 1kg lighter than Sunday morning. If I keep away from the biscuit tin I might stay there!

eatriskier Wed 25-Sep-13 07:49:00

morning all

well done neeko and ppc

sorry shanster, no real advice here. I do sometimes struggle with sleep but haven't noticed an increase in nightmares from normal. you don't have a lot of cheese on an FD do you?

well not a fast day for me any more. dh is ill and busy so yes decided not to fast again this week. I'm going to fast tomorrow as usual. seems a good choice. I'm so hungry today the cat is likely to be deep fat fried again if I catch her wink

BetsyBell Wed 25-Sep-13 08:06:59

Shanster I slept/dreamt very strangely at first on the WOE but only for a few months. Sorry can't remember how long but maybe 3 or 4 months? I haven't really changed how I do it - same as you in fact - so I guess it just takes time for your body to completely normalise to the twice-week fasting.

Only suggestion I can make is perhaps to up your exercise levels on a fast day so that you're physically exhausted.

Well done on 2 months successful fasting and weightloss, I hope it's been worth the nightmaressmile

BetsyBell Wed 25-Sep-13 08:08:32

Morning all, sorry I haven't been keeping up with the thread so much lately. I've succumbed to a threatened cold and am well grumpy!

janey1234 Wed 25-Sep-13 08:10:46

Second ever fast day for me here. Feeling ok about it really, enjoyed my 'normal' eating yesterday and know I can do it again tomorrow.

Couldn't help but weigh myself this morning, and I'm oddly 3lb lighter than on Sunday. This can't be right so am going to stay away from the scales until Sunday to get a weekly figure!

Dotty342kids Wed 25-Sep-13 08:22:09

Well my fast day ended on a caramel ice cream binge somehow - that wasn't in the plan at all sad
Some fast days I'm fine until the dreaded evening snack zone. I really have to go back to the distraction techniques of doing an at home pedicure / bubble bath / early night with a book, I think!
Anyway, scales are showing that back down to 10st 5 this morning so presuming last night's cals will catch me later in the week somehow.
Just had a banana and low fat yog for my breakfast which I really enjoy so feeling good about that.
Good luck any fasters today and I'll check in later

MrsFlorrick Wed 25-Sep-13 08:28:39

Morning!!

Fast day yesterday. Went ok. Ended up over 600 but not upset as I last fasted Sunday and managed to come in just under 500.

Still doing my Jillian Michaels 6 week 6 pack. It's making a difference.

Weight is inching down but very very veerry slowly. I am 165lbs. That leaves me with exactly 13lbs to go grin. That's for 21 BMI (I am just over 5'10").

The last 1.5stone is feeling so slow but I need to keep remembering that two years ago after DS was born I was 220lbs. And sadly this time least year I was down to 170lbs but ended up over eating biscuits and putting on20lbs by Christmas. hmmconfused

Weight lost by various diets along the way but nothing seemed to make a dent into the last 1.5stone until I tried IF/5:2

So I am really really close. 13lbs. Ideally I would like a big whoosh loss to motivate me right now but not realistic.

Good luck to fasters today. smile

Salbertina Wed 25-Sep-13 08:57:09

Well done, Mrs!

Wondering whether to fast today after mon, will decide soon. Just had coffee & little cream. If not tomorrow.

MissStrawberry Wed 25-Sep-13 09:45:31

FD today. Really wound up today so not sure if that is good or not in terms of not eating until dinner tonight. I can't face the thought of eating though so must be good confused but tbh pre 5:2 I would be mainlining toast and chocolate by now to try and make me feel better.

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 25-Sep-13 11:01:28

Hello everyone smile Just back in the UK now after almost a month back home in the US. I've been greeted by a house that looks like a bomb went off in it, but that's fine. I had a great trip, but I also had a lot of great food, and it was the first time in a year I didn't 5:2. I intend to get back into it, if only to lose whatever I've gained on that trip (I haven't dared to weigh myself yet!) Tomorrow will be my first fast day since before I left.

Good to see so many new faces around. smile

Dotty342kids Wed 25-Sep-13 11:11:25

Hey, welcome back greeneggs! Super impressed that you're getting straight back onto the fasting habits again. And no, best not get on the scales quite yet grin

BsshBossh Wed 25-Sep-13 11:21:45

Welcome back GreenEggs!

Talkinpeace Wed 25-Sep-13 13:06:29

New faces, established faces, and we all eat the same on a fast day that is why 5:2 is so cool to jump in and join
and to keep going

Neitheronethingortheother Wed 25-Sep-13 13:11:09

Fast day today trying to so fasts on Mon and Wed. My stomach was gnawing away on itself in work this morning so I ended up eating a peach and an apple. I guess though if I am reaching for fruit I dont need to be too hard on myself. Have a long day today. Was in work today and have a course later so wont get home til after 10. Will have some ham and a bit of salad for lunch and get another salad box made up for my break at around 8pm later. Luckily the deli I get my lunch in does really tasty, healthy salads with no mayo or heavy dresssings so I can get a nice salad box for few calories.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 25-Sep-13 13:39:12

Fasting today after yesterday's debacle. Going well so far smile

MissStrawberry Wed 25-Sep-13 15:02:43

Just finished a long job so that has helped me not eat as it kept me busy. 6 hours of solid reading does that hmm.

In the slow cooker I have chicken drumsticks and thighs, carrots, swede, onions, mushrooms, tomatoes and stock. Going to do rice for the kids to have with it as I don't think they will eat enough to fill them and the rice will help.

MissStrawberry Wed 25-Sep-13 15:03:45

Great news Alibabaa. flowers

JB30 Wed 25-Sep-13 17:08:48

Having another mini fast today, catch up with myself as I seem to be up nearly 2 pound over the last 2 weeks. Doing it in combo with a 16:8 today, not too difficult so far, but its early yet! Back to work tomorrow as I'm feeling better, can't stick the house anymore...what a dumpgrin
Checking in on email, trying not to let the stress creep in but it's hard. Up side will be I'll be so busy I'll have no time to comfort eatsmile

JB30 Wed 25-Sep-13 17:09:51

Oooh MissS bought a slow cooker, hasn't made it out of the box yet - dying to try it!

JB30 Wed 25-Sep-13 17:11:02

I meant to say I bought a slow cooker, you obviously know you bought one at some stage blush

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Wed 25-Sep-13 17:55:46

Lol JB30! How are you feeling now?

NFD today - what I love is:
Because my attitude to food has changed, breakfast and lunch came to 500 calories compared with about 1000
Which meant that I could have pizza chips and mayo for tea and still come in below tdee grin

siblingrevelry Wed 25-Sep-13 18:20:03

On my 6th fast day, counted 'start' as 10pm last night, so nothing but black coffee/water until 2pm (so 16 hrs fasting), having mushroom stroganoff & brown rice at about 7 (342 cals), then 40 cal hot choc sachet before bed.

Have found fast days more than manageable, and although if I'm honest I over-ate on nfd's (lifetime history of being either off or on a 'diet'-old habits die hard!), I think I'm Starting to get it under control.

Almost sabotaged myself today though, decided to make chicken stew & dumplings for the kids today. The smell drive me wild all day, and it looked so good!

MissStrawberry Wed 25-Sep-13 18:42:16

Lol JB. If you want any recipes I have three books I can make suggestions from. I do puddings in the SC too.

Glad to get another FD done and looking forward to dinner once all homework is done.

JB30 Wed 25-Sep-13 19:02:48

Brains isn't 100% Helles obviously but the body is getting there - thanks for asking, you feeling better yourself?
I've come to the conclusion I need to get up and get out. The really sore throat has subsided but still sore of chest. I'll be grand in another few day, I reckon getting out to work will bring me on, strange as it sounds.
Ooh desserts/puddings MissS, I'm looking at it out of the corner of my eye pondering...I'm shocking at cooking normal/decent food, you know when people have big parties and they're like, 'oh I'll just make a curry or a stroganoff' I'm the type that has to make it for 4 people and then repeat process again and again until I have enough! It's like I misses that part of life skills, couldn't cook a stew to save my life - and yet sooooo want food like that. I dream of succulent stews, aromatic curries.... meat disintegrating as my fork hits it. Dipping crusty bread into a Marcos Pierre Whote style bolognese (30 day old beef? How about mince frozen 3 months ago with Aldi sauce anyone???)
On second thoughts, maybe I should being it back! I have a feeling I'll be found face down in a vat/sc of chicken curry!

Doitnow Wed 25-Sep-13 19:40:48

Hello!
Managed another fast day today. Not had anything except coffee and water. Just trying to decide what to have. I really fancy some cereal but know that will just make me hungrier. Perhaps eggs on toast. My shopping isn't coming til later so my cupboards are bare.

I seem to be having a weird side effect too - one of my eyes throbs and goes a bit twitchy on a FD. Anyone got any ideas about why?

JB30 Wed 25-Sep-13 20:02:57

Omelette maybe? If you haven't eaten then you can afford the toast! Cereal might be too sugary.
Sorry no idea on the twitchy eye - although you mightn't want to tell people you're fasting while its like that, I can just hear the chatter, "you wouldn't believe Doitnow, she was so hungry on that 5:2 rubbish she's twitching!" grin

NFD today for me. Lots of hummus with olives and veggies for lunch, then rice, puy lentils and roasted parsnips for dinner. Parsnips are my favourite!

I'm wheat intolerant and vegan, which I should have mentioned.

Helles I'm amazed at the change in my attitude to food too! Especially by how much my portion control has improved.

MissStrawberry Wed 25-Sep-13 21:04:09

JB30 I didn't follow a recipe or weigh a thing for tonight's dinner.

Melted some butter with some oil and fried the chicken drumsticks and thighs for a bit, Put in slow cooker. Added 2 sliced red onions,(fried in left over butter/oil), 3 or 4 quartered tomatoes, sliced large mushrooms,(fried in left over butter/oil which I then added to SC), a bag of pre-chopped carrot and swede, black pepper and then I added stick and turned it on and left it to cook. Stirred it twice and that was that. Served with rice for the kids, DH and I just had it as it was.

I am a really good cook and come up with all sorts but I didn't used to be. I had the children and was fussy obsessed with them eating well and put in many hours to give them a huge variety of food. I often follow a recipe and then when I make it again add or leave out things to make it better.

MissStrawberry Wed 25-Sep-13 21:06:19

My only issue with FD is I am shattered and feel spaced out as no food and today my eye has been twitching but I out that down to having to read heavy stuff for 6 hours and being tired.

JB30 Wed 25-Sep-13 21:13:04

Sounds great MissS - years of being scared senseless of butter and oil from ww/sw makes me nervous of using them - although I do know when I have to use the in a recipe, by the time the amount used is split across 4-6 portions, it's no biggie. (Spray oil just doesn't cut it in real food does it?)
Except for Rocky Road, that breaks all the rulesgrin I actually started to get scared as the numbers added up!

wrigglebum Wed 25-Sep-13 21:16:01

I can't bloody stop eating again today. Made gingerbread men with ds2 and ate too much uncooked dough, then couldn't stop scoffing at lunch and felt bloated and crap all afternoon. Left the carb out of my evening meal to try and offset it all a tiny bit. I want to fast tomorrow now as I feel I need it to stop me spiralling out of control!

Doitnow Wed 25-Sep-13 21:21:38

Strange thing is, I feel great on FDs. Rarely hungry and full of energy. Just this random eye thing.

I had eggs on toast but think bread might've been a mistake as I'm really fancying something else now. Will pick on tomatoes and cucumber while I make the girls lunches for tomorrow and have a cup of decaf.

At least I can eat what I want, within reason, tomorrow.

Early to bed too.

MissStrawberry Wed 25-Sep-13 21:29:02

You two have what DH and I call the munchies. We didn't feel hungry but fancied some crisps (this is pre 5:2) and we would have a few and then end up eating too many and then something else and then something else as well sometimes. I would argue the sugar in the Gingerbread is the reason and bread is a bugger for setting off the munchies.

ElBombero Wed 25-Sep-13 22:17:50

Hi guys, hope you don't mind me plodding along with you!

I'm 3 week post baby boy tomorrow and EBF.

First fast on Monday went great, felt fine (but think this might be because I had a huge Indian on Sunday eve) today has been hard, I'm starved!! Got to 689 calories today, not due to food but coffee with milk only 4 cups but milk added up...

Bring on tomorrow, need FOOD!

JB30 Wed 25-Sep-13 22:27:15

Congrats on the baby Elbom, would you not give yourself another few weeks to recover from the birth, make sure your supply is well established? I know there are bf mums on board but I think they might be a few months after the birth?
Anyone else know??? I just remember my first few weeks after baby and bf'ing - I couldn't have cut back/out food and didn't need to, the bf did its own work on the post baby body. Apologies if I sound a bit preachey sad

Salbertina Wed 25-Sep-13 22:31:07

Congratulations! Sure bfing been discussed before as exclusive bfing burns about 500 cals so doubt you're meant only to be having 500cals.. Or to be fasting at all! Pls check, you might just conk out!

janey1234 Wed 25-Sep-13 22:44:44

I started fasting this week - currently bf my 12 week old DS. Personally I couldn't and wouldn't have started much earlier as someone told me you should eat lots in the first week to establish supply. But I have been advised on here to allow 750cals on FD, which I've been doing...

janey1234 Wed 25-Sep-13 22:45:14

By first week I meant first six weeks confused

ElBombero Wed 25-Sep-13 22:58:25

Thanks everyone, know there are BFing mums out there doing this but struggling to find them. Read lots of referencing to them on main threads but (if only) I don't have time to read through the past 26!

I know it's early but just feel really intolerant of all this extra weight. Not being finicky but I put on 4 stone with this pregnancy!! And only a stone come off after birth. I'm gonna have a good break inbetween FD n really think about nutritional value of foods on feed days.

Preciousdaisybear Wed 25-Sep-13 23:31:21

Hello everyone. It's good to find this new thread. Thanks Breadandwine! Starting first fd tomorrow and a little apprehensive about it.

EB, I'm a BFing mum, currently on week 2 of 5:2, and my baby is 8m! I would have started earlier, but my other 3 had 3 months off for summer (in the US) and I knew it would take all my will power just to get through the day, let alone not eat.

I too put on 4 stone with each pregnancy, and have lost it all again in a 10m on 10m off policy.

I don't want to interfere, because obviously it's up to you, but I would really consider letting your body work its own magic for a few more weeks. It's got an awful lot of recovery to do as well as making lots of lovely milk. I know I'm not the first mum to get through whole malt loaves and the like while feeding, and still (albeit slowly) loosing weight. I found I lost about a stone giving birth, then another one over the first 6 weeks despite eating a lot. The next stone comes off with dieting (ish) and exercising more around 4-6m with a final push at 8m to firm up.

Lecture over. As you were.

Breadandwine Thu 26-Sep-13 01:09:00

I'm wheat intolerant and vegan, which I should have mentioned.

Lucy, I'm also a vegan, and I have several gluten free, vegan recipes on my blog - socca (gram flour pancakes), pancakes made with Doves GF flour, chocolate cakes, etc. Plus this thread contains many useful links.

Hi Precious! Glad to see you made it at last! smile

You'll be fine, tomorrow! Don't be too hard on yourself, if you feel you need to have something, have a cup of bouillon or similar. But don't worry if you go over 500 cals the first time - fasting does get easier, and this is a marathon, not a sprint! grin

Good luck!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 26-Sep-13 01:19:05

ElBombero three weeks seems very early to fast if you are EBF?

I am feeding my toddler and I allow 650-700 on a fast day - my body has been BF for over five years almost continuously so my supply is very settled.

I can absolutely understand your need to get rid of the weight, but your uterus has possibly not even shrunk all the way back. Please be careful.

I'm sorry if that comes over as a lecture, it isn't meant to, but a post-partum body doesn't function in a 'normal' way and I'm a bit worried about you.

ElBombero Thu 26-Sep-13 02:27:06

Ok guys points taken on board. Ill wait abit hopefully in the next month or so things will have settled n won't find fasting so hard

Good stuff EB. I'm sure you'll find some will shift in the next few weeks anyway. Enjoy your baby!

Salbertina Thu 26-Sep-13 07:17:02

Morning, clocking in for fast day. Anyone else?

eatriskier Thu 26-Sep-13 07:28:49

elbomb I have to admire your dedication. at 3w post partum I could only just think about getting out of bed let alone dieting! please come back though if you still feel ready in a few weeks. were a nice bunch.

salb I'm fasting today too though I'm completely expecting it to be as fail. aunt flo showed up just 2 weeks after the last and having the BASTARD reinstalled so I may just shove my head in a ton of food. I will skip brekkie at least.

Neeko Thu 26-Sep-13 07:41:02

Hi. I'm fasting today too. Second ever for me. My stomach already feels much less bloated after Tuesday's fast and I was surprised that I wasn't ravenous yesterday.
It's my dd1's birthday tomorrow so I'll look forward to a slice of cake then if things are tough today.
I LOVE my slow cooker and use it at least twice a week. There's nothing better than the smell of a home-cooked meal as you walk on the door after a hard day. smile

Fast day for me too. I took a break after my holiday in August as I hadn't gained but I have been eating a fair amount of crap this week so I'm enjoying being back in the fasting groove! I did a zero fast on Sunday so I'm counting that as last week. Tues and Thurs this week, simply because DP is away and that's the easiest time. Have left my meagre lunch in the fridge at home so I may just have to last until dinner whether I want to or not!

Good luck fellow fasters smile

BetsyBell Thu 26-Sep-13 08:16:06

Pondering on the merits of fasting with a hangover and a cold (silly Betsy!)

I kind of already failed as I found myself scoffing crap chocolate from the cupboard at 11.30 last night...

elbombero I'm fasting and breast feeding! I do 24hr liquid only fasts without noticing a difference.

Huge loss for me, 9lbs in three weeks! (I don't weigh myself very often because I obsess otherwise) No idea quite how it has gone so fast, I feel amazing though, and this puts my BMI down into 'overweight'. I was rapidly closing on morbidly obese when I started this!

NFD for me today and taking the DD's for a long walk in the park this afternoon...going to clean the fridge this morning. I can't believe how much energy I have since starting this woe!

Oops, forgot to say breadandwine thank you!

BetsyBell Thu 26-Sep-13 09:30:37

I'm not fasting today. Tomorrow.

janey1234 Thu 26-Sep-13 09:48:02

Lucy - liquid only fasts? Tell me more!

9lbs is amazing - well done smile

I read this week that when you're breastfeeding a 3-6 month old baby that's when you enter the fat burning phase. DS is 3 months at the weekend so fingers crossed that's true...

ELR Thu 26-Sep-13 09:54:28

Morning all, marking place and checking back in!
Big wave to all my old 5:2 buddies.......
So haven't really fasted much after my holiday in August just a few random low calorie days and at least one 16:8 a week. But weight is kind of keeping back up hovering around 10/3. 10/4 instead of 10 and 10/2 we are currently well just started trying for a baby (no3) so was using that as an excuse to not fast, but I know that's just an excuse so here I am back to 5:2. Managed a fast on Monday about 750 calories and I'm fasting today but will aim for lower calories today.
Great to see so many new people and all the old timers!
betsy out of interest what do you weigh now? You were always just a few pounds lighter than me and I was always chasing your weight as my target for the next week!

frenchfancy Thu 26-Sep-13 10:19:42

Well for only about the 3rd time in a year of fasting I've failed today. I feel like crap. I think I've got a cold or flu coming on and i can hardly keep my eyes open. Got to 11 o'clock and it was a choice of either going back to bed or eating something. I have work to do so food won.

somewherebecomingrain Thu 26-Sep-13 10:44:18

Morning all.

Yesterday I had a really successful NFD. I did 16:8. This involved a huge lunch at 12pm and a huge dinner at 6pm but that is all. No snacks. Less than TDEE. And no hunger whatsoever except in the morning but managed it with milky coffee and knew it would make lunch amazing, which it was.

Fasting today and I anticipate it will be tough because I didn't stuff myself
As I usually do on NFD.

I have been plateauing and clearly am entering that phase tip is always reiterating, when you really can't ignore your TDEE any more.

At the beginning I'd make a cake and eat half of it and still lose but now I can't.

Anyway I seem to have consolidated at 11.4 - had been plateauing between 11.5 and 11.7.

I don't totally trust it but we will see.

Now I've turned my eyes to the tens!

I do feel a bit starved today so shall be on here looking for inspiration!

somewherebecomingrain Thu 26-Sep-13 10:46:48

betsey postmanpat neeko eatriskier salbertina we can do it! I hope!

somewherebecomingrain Thu 26-Sep-13 10:49:51

rlbombero 3 weeks sounds a bit early. Could you ease in? I ebf'd my nearly 6mo -now weaning - and started at 6 weeks I think. I agree no effect on milk supply. I allowed myself 750 a day at first but it's gradually dropped as I've lost weight - 650 is about average for my fd.

Dotty342kids Thu 26-Sep-13 10:58:44

Hey there ELR, welcome back! Ooh, and lovely news about trying for baby no 3!

jayney my woe looks like this...

2 clear liquid (ie no milky tea!) fast days a week, usually 6pm-6pm.

On the other days I eat as much lunch and dinner as I need, sometimes with pudding at dinner and nothing else.

Off to have my lunch now...lentil soup and rye bread. Yum. I jammed it full of parsley.

eatriskier Thu 26-Sep-13 12:27:36

OK. no brekkie turned into a fry up at tesco. so, um, definitely not fasting today. I do feel a lot better though and didn't kill the cat when we discovered it has its own pet mouse in our under stairs cupboard. ffs. angry

Oh dear eatriskier

somewhere you sound very focussed!

My tummy has been gurgling and rumbling like mad this morning, despite last night's substantial dinner. Lots of croissants and pastries suddenly appeared in the staffroom left over from a breakfast meeting, I hardened my resolve and ate a few grapes and berries instead. Third cup of peppermint tea now and things have quietened down a bit!

jayney me and B&W take it a bit further - liquids only between finishing dinner on day 1 until eating breakfast on day 3, with no food at all on day 2.

MissStrawberry Thu 26-Sep-13 13:29:08

Phew. Finally a sit down. Have been flying around crazily busy today and was hungry when I got in as I had only had a piece of toast while helping DS do his maths this morning. I got in and only did about 3 things before I made myself sit down and eat instead and doing all the jobs and then wondering why I wasn't hungry any more or had no time left to eat. I have had ice berg lettuce, tinned anchovies, olives, a bit of stilton, some dressing and some beetroot and mint dip. Feel as full as if I had had a main meal but not as in eaten too much.

I am finding 4:3 works best for me at the moment. Not sure if it is okay to be doing that already though.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 26-Sep-13 13:29:34

Yesterday went a bit pear shaped again! I was doing fine until DH came home and announced that he had got the fabulous new job he was waiting to hear on - and that he was no longer fasting because a client had taken him out for lunch and he hadn't worked out how to refuse politely.

But when I add up what I had, it was around 500-600 under TDEE, and I fasted for 18 hours so actually not too awful.

So today I really am fasting! grin

It is bizarre though - even though the scales are fairly stationary I'm losing fat from around my middle and off my face. Belt is on a tighter notch and there is less muffin/back fat in evidence.

postman that is very focused indeed! Not sure I could contemplate that!

Preciousdaisybear Thu 26-Sep-13 13:35:44

Halfway through first FD. Had tiny bit of chicken breast for breakfast, a carrot and some cherry tomatoes for lunch. Looking forward to stirfry for tea. So far, so good. Must have big breakfast tomorrow as doing 10 k sponsored walk with school!

Talkinpeace Thu 26-Sep-13 14:00:10

Should be fasting today but have a cold and had to park at Ikea for a meeting and the pickled herring beckoned ....
Will do 300 cal supper though and all will be well.

Dotty342kids Thu 26-Sep-13 14:21:44

Struggling with the cold today. Really want something large and stodgy for my dinner but it's a fast day and I'm trying a new fish pie recipe which comes in at 520 cals so not even room for a heap of veg. Am feeling grumpy and deprived grin so will def need to head for a hot bath as distraction technique afterwards!

Shybairns Thu 26-Sep-13 14:27:18

Can anyone confirm or deny that 2 medium eggs equates to 250cals?

Fd for me today, but have had a week of terrible nights so not sure how well I'll cope. Going to the gym in a bit so will have a protein shake after that. Miso soup for lunch and prawn stir fry for tea. Then, if the baby let's me, an early night. Disappointed to be 5 hours behind you all so as you've got through lunch, i'm still only just past breakfast!

More like 150 shy.

MrsFlorrick Thu 26-Sep-13 14:32:20

Shy. I think a medium egg (if poached or boiled not fried) is 80cals. So two would be 160. 250 is probably for fried in oil/butter.

Those brave souls who are doing liquids only on a fast. Do you allow yourself cup a soup? I am interested in progressing and I could probably manage if cup a soup was involved grin

Cat98 Thu 26-Sep-13 14:55:27

good luck eveyone.
fasting today, I am hungry! Busy afternoon coming up though and I'm looking forward to my tea (2 quorn sausages, 1 small yorkshire pudding, broccoli, green beans and gravy!)

preciousdaisybear good luck with the rest of the fd, sounds like you're doing great! And the 10k walk, wow.

Small egg - 60, medium egg - 70, large egg- 80 or 90.

If you fry them, add the oil calories.
If you scramble them, add milk/ butter etc.
On toast - add the calories for the bread and spread

MrsF I can't bear cupasoup! No, only water or peppermint tea for me. I do it about once a fortnight, but it really is completely unnecessary and there is no reason to move away from 500 cals. It's not a competition!

The advantages for me are:
Lots of free time gained by not preparing meals, eating and clearing up
The hunger monster stays dormant rather than being awakened by the first sniff of food
The weight I lose seems to stay away longer than after a 500 cal fast (though I am actually maintaining now)

cat98 I like the sound of your dinner - I love quorn sausages, mash, gravy and veg!

somewherebecomingrain Thu 26-Sep-13 15:58:47

Starved and yet not starved. It's been a v unproductive day, a slight feeling of panic. Couldn't bring myself to do more than the sahm (as I am currently) essentials. So no to do list ticks, though I have made fish fingers for the baby.

But knew I wouldn't eat so it was sort of irrelevant.

Had three milky coffee at 50 cals each.

Now 475 cals of Tarka dal. So 625.

God looking forward to tomorrow and also getting to my target when I can be less disciplined.

I've just decided on my target and its 10.5, the weight I was when I was at my fittest when I was 24 and cycled everywhere.

mrsS your slow cooker recipe sounds fab.

whimsical you can do it! It is hard but it is a buzz and its an achievement. And tomorrow the rewards are great - enjoy being slimmer, eat what you want!

somewherebecomingrain Thu 26-Sep-13 15:59:57

Oh yes tried the shred today. Oof it was hard. Baby interrupted me .

BsshBossh Thu 26-Sep-13 16:23:10

Lots of colds going around on this thread. Honey, lemon and a dash of turmeric mixed together taken several times a day really helps me (and the 5 year old).

FD for me too. Have kept really busy - work, gym, choir - so the day is rushing by without me being able to think much about food. Have had a milk coffee and a few grapes though so not a pure fast, unfortunately. Dal and rice for dinner tonight and a 10 cal jelly.

I'm usually fine preparing DD's dinners on FDs but today I am trying a new recipe on her (brown rice salad with pancetta, borlotti beans, sage leaves, garlic, pecans and figs plus dressing) and I know I will be sorely tempted. Must remember the mantra - "I can have it tomorrow!"

Thanks somewhere, that just really cheered me up! I too just shredded with a 3yo joining in then the baby woke up. Looks like he's ill, so no gym for me (hence the shred). My protein shake was the most delicious thing I ever had! Normally I just glug it down in the car, but today it felt like a meal.

NotAsTired Thu 26-Sep-13 17:10:21

bssh I would eat what you made for your DD. Sounds yummy! And I too live by the impressive healing properties of turmeric.

somewhere hope things are going ok in your world? It is okay to just be and not have to do lists. Take care of yourself. smile

Welcome back, ELR. Postmanpats. How do you stop yourself from losing weight when you exercise so much and do zero/liquid fasts?

Another FD here. Just broke fast with chicken & veg soup. Will be eating more chicken later - chicken fajita with some veg.

I went to the Michelin starred restaurant yesterday. Was simply divine. Just the right portions, so I did not overstuff myself. grin. The highlights included a tapenade bread (looked like a cinnamon roll], the sea bass cooked to perfection and a chocolate sphere that was hard until they poured a hot raspberry sauce over it and it all collapsed to reveal chocolate sauce, ice cream and fresh raspberries inside. Hope I did not make anyone too hungry <evil grin>.

Ooh tired that sounds fab!

I did go under 8st by the merest whisper, but am hovering around 8st 2 or 3 most of the time. I eat whatever I like on NFDs and that seems to do the trick. I've fasted twice this week, but not at all in the two weeks before last Sunday - it depends what is happening on the scales!

somewherebecomingrain Thu 26-Sep-13 17:42:33

How tall are you postman? Are u really skinny?

Yes notastired that was most unhelpful! grin Wowee that choc desert ....

JB30 Thu 26-Sep-13 18:14:20

Drool NotAsTired - that dessert sounds divine!!
This week is going to be 16:8 mini fasts, can't quite manage a 500. Next week I'll hit it, no excuses. Much better today, hoping to get back to exercise over the weekend.
Nearly Friday, bought yummy steaks for dinner tomorrow, couple with a nice Shiraz, I can't wait! Maybe a little something chocolatey for dessert... Rolling Friday!

JB30 Thu 26-Sep-13 18:14:53

Or even roll on Friday - stoooopid phone!!!

Preciousdaisybear Thu 26-Sep-13 18:28:35

Well, that's dinner over on first FD. Stirfry with a poached egg. Sounds weird but actually tasted ok. Have managed today (only 18 kcal over) but finding restricting the tea I drink hard as lurve my cuppas. Probably off to an early bed as very busy day with sponsored walk tomorrow.

Dotty342kids Thu 26-Sep-13 18:32:09

Oh goodness notastired, are you trying to kill us?

So I have just wolfed down the rosti fish pie in the fastest time ever after whinging and whining (to myself mostly!) about being cold and tired all day today smile. Thankfully it was actually quite nice though I'm sure the large helping of peas I had it with tipped me over my 500 cals. Never mind eh?
I feel nicely full now so before my mind and hand start wandering towards evening snacks I am going to take myself off for a bubble bath with my book whilst children brush teeth / argue / put themselves to bed grin
BsshBossh that is an amazing dish to feed a five year old - I'm in awe of your cooking talents / her openness to eating such foods!
I think my scales are knackered. I can weigh anywhere between 10st 5 and 10st 8, all within the same five minutes, at the moment. It's driving me slightly mad.
Anyone got any recommendations for affordable, reliable scales please?

AngieM2 Thu 26-Sep-13 18:40:34

precious I drink unlimited tea on FD's. Usually about 5 cups. I have skimmed milk (a splash each time). Dont bother counting it as 100mls is only 35 cals.

MissStrawberry Thu 26-Sep-13 19:14:05

You with all your fancy restaurants, soup and cold talk have missed my question. <stamps feet>grin

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Thu 26-Sep-13 19:35:26

Tomorrow was supposed to be a fast day. I was going to go to work, get home for 6 as usual then straight back out to the supermarket. Meanwhile DH was going to feed the DCs, but he has just informed me that there is nothing in for them so we will have to go out for tea angry so should I fast from now until then (if I can manage that in my first week), stick to 200 cals while at work (easy now) or just say to not bother at all. I've lost a couple of pound this week and I know what I want to do, but think I should choose option sticking to under 200 cals. I just want to eat crap <thinks about biscuits in the cupboard> maybe I'm just tired after the week.

BsshBossh Thu 26-Sep-13 19:46:30

FD over, but I admit I caved in making DD her borlotti bean and pancetta rice salad - I only had a couple of spoonfuls though (it was delicious and a big hit with DD - she wants me to reprise it tomorrow for a playdate and I will be able to wolf down a whole bowl of my own!). DD used to be a fussy eater but since turning 5 and eating cooked school dinners she's become an adventurous eater (the main reason I started her on school dinners and not packed lunches - my plan worked!).

Okay, off to heat up my dal and rice. I'm not actually physically hungry for dinner to be honest and could easily skip it, but mentally I want it! Next week I might go with the flow and do one liquid fast...

3 NFDs to come - yippee!

NotAsTired that birthday meal sounds yum.
Dotty I use a £24 WW digital one from Tesco. Works great - always consistent - and tallies with the industrial non-digital scales at my gym.
ELR welcome back.
precious good luck on the 10k.

BsshBossh Thu 26-Sep-13 19:47:55

Biscuits you've already lost 2lbs this week; I think you're done. Enjoy!

JB30 Thu 26-Sep-13 19:48:39

Was the question whether you should be doing 4:3 MissS? I did it for a couple of weeks but found I'm more focussed on 2 days, 3 felt a bit too tough. Why do you want to do it?

Dotty342kids Thu 26-Sep-13 20:21:57

Thanks for scales tip BssBossh and well done on just having a couple of spoonfuls!

Preciousdaisybear Thu 26-Sep-13 20:26:26

Good tip about the tea angie thanks. I have builder's tea with a splash only so milk almost non existent.

On another note: anyone else havibg trouble finding this thread as it doesn't seem to appear on your ' I'm on' list? Probably making some schoolboy error. Ideas?

MissStrawberry Thu 26-Sep-13 20:29:42

<snogs JB30 for answering me>grin

I did 4:3 last week because the FD were becoming a problem for me emotionally. I actually found doing 3 easier confused. If I do Mon and Wed as FD are they too close together and then 4 days of normal eating too much?

Coveredinweetabix Thu 26-Sep-13 20:41:13

An NFDS fail yesterday and a FD fail today! Yesterday, I was planning on sticking to my TDEE as I think that is where I'm going wrong but yesterday I had two glasses of champagne, two small slices of cake and then, just as I got back from Zumba, a giant pizza arrived for DP so I had some of that. I hadn't decided when I went to bed last night whether I'd have a FD today or tomorrow but hoped it would be today only to wake up ravenous. I waited an hour, drank loads of water etc and then realised there was no point fasting today as I was a as hungry at 8am as I normally am at 4pm on a FD. I have at least managed to stick to my TDEE and will fast tomorrow.

JB30 Thu 26-Sep-13 20:44:38

blush I rarely get snogged - I am married you know! Thank you kindly wink
I think, over time, like how close/far apart fd's are - it balances out if you get me? Of course if you did fd's 3 days in a row, I reckon that mightn't be the best - if only from the pure misery point of view. I weigh in after second fast day as my official WI but keep track on other days, and thems the days I don't record lol! At this point I'm casually ignoring a gain last week that I'm near positive will be gone tomorrow.
I reckon, after reading so many messages from people doing this over a year, that it probably doesn't matter. Could be wrong, but most seem v successful on 5:2
And seriously MissS how could you not enjoy 5 days of your cooking? I'm often salivating here reading some of your menus! Your weight loss is coming along great as well

precious did you press hide by accident?

MissStrawberry Thu 26-Sep-13 20:53:25

I'm married too and haven't had a snog in ages sad. Kids a nightmare in the evenings and we aren't even kissing goodnight sad.

I fucked up dinner tonight thanks to the kids kicking off at teatime so was not a good meal tonight. Kids seemed a bit hmm about their dinner. I told them there was no money for shopping this week and would have to just have what I gave them. Cooked 2 different meals for 3 of them and I just feel I have spoilt them so much that a meal with boodles/cous cous/pasta is a real shock to the system and not as acceptable as their usual stuff. I plan on no food shopping for quite a while until they stop being so bloody ungrateful. My fault I know but you would think after years of amazing meals one which is plainer would not be a problem. They still had a crumble fgs.

MissStrawberry Thu 26-Sep-13 20:55:09

noodles, not boodles hmm.

southeastdweller Thu 26-Sep-13 21:07:54

Two awful NFD's here, grazing on crap almost constantly. No good reason, just pure greed. Didn't even enjoy most of it and been in a foul mood all day and felt lethargic. Doing a mini-fast on Saturday and my usual weekend of cardio and walking planned. It's just a blip but the glimpse into my old self was a little scary.

Good luck to everyone who's fasting tomorrow.

southeast that's what I was slipping into so I've reined myself in hard!

somewhere I'm 5ft 4 but very small framed and a size 8 (or 6 in Next!). I was 10st when I started 5:2 back in Feb.

I was on the treadmill earlier and felt my eye twitching...have had this before but have no idea whether it's related to exercise, fasting or just coincidence that someone else posted the same thing!

Pollysbubble Thu 26-Sep-13 21:19:38

Hi All,
MissS I tend to do my fasts on a Monday and Wednesday and it is working out well so far. My reason being I only work mon tues and weds and find it much easier to fast on my days at work rather than at home with the little one - so have to squeeze my fasts into those 3 days. My reasoning is it is better to have successful fasts, rather than try to space them out more, but not actually be able to do them!

Neeko Thu 26-Sep-13 21:43:48

Well I've survived my second FD despite icing a birthday cake. I'm hungrier tonight than on Tuesday but just heading to bed and won't be fasting again until Monday. I'm looking forward to weighing myself on Monday morning to see what the weekly weight loss total is smile.
I have the ww scales too and I think they are fab.
Very impressed by what I've read so far in everyone's cooking. When can I come for tea? Please make it a NFD. wink

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 26-Sep-13 21:52:09

FD successfully completed smile

DH has fasted too but is like a bear with a sore head. There is something wrong with our IT/computer set up as well which always gives him the rage (he works in IT).
I am giving him a wide berth grin

Bssh that was my plan too regarding school dinners, but DS1 didn't eat anything at lunchtimes for a week because he found the food 'too weird Mummy and not like yours'. So he has packed lunches smile

MissS what would you normally give them that pasta and couscous are looked down on?

Preciousdaisybear Thu 26-Sep-13 22:15:47

Good tip about the tea angie thanks. I have builder's tea with a splash only so milk almost non existent.

On another note: anyone else havibg trouble finding this thread as it doesn't seem to appear on your ' I'm on' list? Probably making some schoolboy error. Ideas?

Preciousdaisybear Thu 26-Sep-13 22:21:04

Thanks whimsical I think I did. I will see if that sorts it grin

BsshBossh Thu 26-Sep-13 22:22:33

MissS hopefully one day when your kids have left home they'll have wonderful food memories... My DH and his siblings were often quite ungrateful over their mum's wonderful homecooking when they were growing up, but as adults they rave about what they used to eat and have grown to be adventurous cooks and foodies. There is hope!

JB30 Thu 26-Sep-13 22:31:59

Oh MissS every day my kids find ways to moan, food/clothes/activities - it's like having a judging panel/torture experiment on tap 13-14 hours a day. If I'm lucky they wake to top throughout the night to top up on the moaning.
Mine seem to be set to disagreeable mode, wish I knew how to reset them! Feel your pain, wish I had some suggestions. Ooh I know, send the round mine - they'll never complain about your cooking againgrin

Successful NFD today.

Fasting now until 7pm tomorrow. Should be a pretty easy one, I am so beyond busy tomorrow...have to do a day return to London (I'm in the north) to go and protest outside number 10. Watch out for me on the news!

Liquid only fasts - I love the convenience. I drink my coffee black anyway and do like herbal tea. It gives me a lovely break from thinking obsessing about food.

Sophiste Thu 26-Sep-13 23:04:06

Hi everyone - checking in after a successful FD. It's been a long and hectic day at work, so all my food was shop-bought food - at least it was calorie-counted for me which makes things simple.

Had black coffee this morning. Lunch was Pret's (excellent) chicken and broccoli soup at 133 cals. Early supper at my desk - sushi, 318 cals. Got home at 10.30pm and made up some instant miso soup - 29.5 cals. That's me done.

Another massive work day tomorrow and then I have fingers crossed for some good news on the scales on Saturday. I have had no loss in September (my 2nd month) at all! I know I said I wouldn't get hung up on weight loss, but still.

Also - TMI - but TOTM has gone AWOL. Usually clockwork but 4 days late and definitely no mini-Sophistes on the way. Is this to be expected while adjusting to 5:2?

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 26-Sep-13 23:52:14

Bad NFD involving a deep-fried cheeseburger and a packet of cookies. Didn't even want the cookies I wanted to be miraculously slim and stylish.

thinkcan Fri 27-Sep-13 01:56:29

Finally, after weeks of despair, during which I was sorely tempted to look for alternative diet plans, the holiday and house guests related weight gain is gone. I am now half a lb less than my previous lowest weight recorded 3 months ago. Also, very gratifying to note that my whole relationship with food has changed. I spent yesterday making sesame seed bars and hosted a dinner for 3 girlfriends and still managed to stick to my FD. I have also learned that I do not need to put out a calorific meal when cooking for girlfriends. The last two times I have had girlfriends over, the salad based meals and fruit based desserts I put together have been most appreciated. Everyone ate without guilt and no sinful leftovers for me to deal with the following days.

wildwater Fri 27-Sep-13 02:10:24

Where exactly do I go to find out about the famous 'shred'?

Google Jillian Michaels ww. There's a series of DVDs and she has a website etc. I believe there's also some stuff on you tube, but I bought the shred (and subsequently Ripped in 30 because I am a masochist) from the super market in the US for not much more than $5.

I completely hit a wall earlier. After very bad sleep for a week, a poorly baby who has been feeding continuously all day, shredding and walking 4miles I fell asleep in bed for literally the whom evening, and now my husband is cross with me (in a nice way) for over doing it. Still, live and learn. Next time I'm this tired I might have to be more kind to myself!

morning all . WI today and I'm 10st 1. I've definitely hit the dreaded plateau...Been back from my summer hols for 4 weeks and I'm bouncing up and down between 10 st4 and 10 st. I 'glimpsed' 9 13 6 weeks ago.
Still doing 5:2 , 1580 TDEE and gym x2 week. (49 yrs , 5 ft 3)
Any advice from bssh or anyone else who had a sustained plateau?
Or from postman ,eatriskier who seem to have lost ALOT of weight in less time?envy
I'm still religiously putting everything into MFP.
My weight loss has always been slow to go...doing this since Jan and it's taken that long to lose 16 lbs.

BsshBossh Fri 27-Sep-13 07:32:59

Morning all. Weigh in Friday for me again but no change in weight. NFD Friday - woohoo!

Head the only thing I can say from personal experience is keep doing what you're doing - it may take weeks, months, but if you're doing everythingby the book then eventually your body will realise you mean business and reduce its setpoint weight. My setpoint weight was 11-ish stones and that's where I stalled for 4 months. However I've heard others say that a change is good - eg do something different to surprise your body eg a different form of fasting, or more/different excercise, or a fasting break - just do a different form of calorie reduction for a few weeks...

eatriskier Fri 27-Sep-13 07:43:24

not much help here I'm afraid hitc, I have no clue why I was losing weight so quickly. I know now I'm definitely in an active bracket now but I certainly wasn't at the start. whether my experiment into slowing the loss down is working I don't know as aunt flo arrived and my scales are showing a big leap up (but my clothes are fitting just fine still and the take measure hasn't moved).

have you tried the usual things? fling in an extra day/do 6:1/have a complete blow out/have a few under and a few under days?

BsshBossh Fri 27-Sep-13 07:51:39

Head do you eat exactly TDEE every NFD? If so then I'd recommend doing high-low days to mix it up a bit.

MissStrawberry Fri 27-Sep-13 07:55:05

Pollysbubble - I agree. When I did Monday and Thursday, to start with it was okay but then it got difficult and I became really cross about it. I tried Mon, Wed, Fri and found that easier.

Alibabaa - I guess they have meat or fish nearly every day so other stuff may seem not quite as good. I once did jacket potato twice in one week and ds1 was very rude about it. Pay day today but I have said I am not food shopping until more of the cupboard has been used up as they need to stop being so fussy. Yesterday I offered noodles, rice, pasta or cous cous and ended up doing noodles for two and cous cous for one as they wouldn't eat each others choice and dd does not like pasta - unless it is spag bol. My own fault for being too obsessed about cooking different things. Yesterday's tea was ridiculous. Noodles/cous cous with peas, carrots, green beans, olives and a tiny bit of pepparami (I figured they needed some kind of meat/fish/protein and they didn't want tuna.) I had to remind them I had said there was no money for food shopping this week and they had to just eat what they were given and stop being so fussy. I don't want to serve things I know one or more of them wont eat but I am getting very fed up with their changeable eating habits. They are used to unusual combinations and I see nothing wrong in it. DS1 likes to have mint sauce with whatever roast we are having, not just lamb, and it is definitely a pick your argument does it really matter moment. If I just served something up though it would be wasted if they decided they didn't like it but I can't keep track with what they will and won't eat. Then later they are wanting toast/cereal so no wonder we run out. DS1 went to school without breakfast yesterday unbeknown to me as he said there was nothing he liked. Just the three choices rather than 6 hmm.

somewherebecomingrain Fri 27-Sep-13 08:01:06

Hi hitc yes just been on a plateau too, not for long, 2-3 weeks.
Arguably 6 weeks as I was 11.7 before my hols, came back over, lost it easily - then stalled.

I had been re lets say 'intuitive' about what I ate on nfds! As i said earlier i think im now too slim -ie require less cals to maintain - to get away with that.

however it dawns on me that another factor is that I was moving my mother in law into her house, taking my ds to the park and doing buggy fit,

Now mil is moved, I've fallen off the buggy fit wagon and ds is expending his energy at school.

Yesterday I did 2/3 of my first shred and signed up to buggy fit.

Are there any factors you are not considering?

Also I bet the scientists will one day explain plateaus. They don't go n forever.

eatriskier Fri 27-Sep-13 08:05:08

argh. just stepped on scales. 3lb. thanks aunt flo. angry
gonna throw in a mini fast today, fell far more up to fasting but am looking very forward to tonights planned dinner and some wine in front of strictly. will also allow me a good run on my cross trainer that I didn't manage yesterday.