The 5:2 thread number 26 - Bring on the Lifestyle Change Victories!

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BetsyBell Sat 24-Aug-13 11:15:57

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through our very own fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

BetsyBell Sat 24-Aug-13 11:16:32

Hat tip to HellesBelles... for the thread title smile

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 24-Aug-13 11:19:54

Happy to help grin

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Sat 24-Aug-13 11:24:24

Hello all! As a newcomer to the thread and the idea of this I thuoght I'd post on the new thread....can I ask...on the fasting days if I were doing the 5.2, you say you can have up to 500 cals....does that include tea and coffee? What do folks eat? I suppose a bowl of soup and three cups of coffee?

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Sat 24-Aug-13 11:25:58

Oh and is this a good choice for someone who needs to lose about a stone and a half?

BetsyBell Sat 24-Aug-13 11:30:39

NeoMaxi Hello! Yes, count everything - black coffee/tea is virtually calorie free so just need to make sure you include your milk - 20cals for a splash I think?

There's a recipe thread here - you can eat a surprising amount on a fast day meal as long as it's mostly plants and some lean protein. Carbs quickly wipe out your calories so use wisely.

The prevailing wisdom seems to be to skip breakfast, hold out for as long as possible and eat your allowance in 1 or 2 small meals.

I usually do a tiny lunch and bigger dinner. Most seem to manage to hold out till the evening and have a substantial meal.

BetsyBell Sat 24-Aug-13 11:32:22

neo Yes, it's good for most people whether they have lots or little to lose, or indeed none. Not everyone gets on with it but those who do seem to love it.

Try it out and see smile

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 24-Aug-13 11:32:30

Hi Neo I have four stone to lose and have seen others on here with only a few pounds to lose so it just depends on whether this woe works for you.

Re fd eating, a typical menu for me would be:

Boiled egg and tuna salad - huge! A big spoon of rachel's low fat yoghurt - I like gooseberry - just to have something sweet.

Morrocan bean stew, chicken thigh, chocolate truffle.

Roughly 500 calories.

just marking my place.

i lost 2st in 4months thereabouts and then had surgery and some health stuff followed by a holiday and then school holidays and will have had a nearly 3month break by the time i get back on it when i start work again next week. but that's ok smile

i've gained a few pounds back but nothing dire given what would normally happen if you dieted for 4months solid, lost 2st and then stopped the diet.

i'd like to lose another stone ideally but am happy with that taking some time. come next week i just want to go back to fasting twice a week and see where that takes me rather than be obsessed about how quickly i'm losing etc. hopefully my body will respond well given i've had a break as i'm convinced it's the mixing things up a bit that gets things on the move.

good luck to all newcomers and big waves to old hands smile

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Sat 24-Aug-13 12:04:11

Ooh thanks! For me this sounds perfect as I'm just not organised enough to always have tonnes of fresh food in...but I'm sure I can manage. DH is a vegan and always eating raw salads and veg soups etc so that wont be hard. If I added 2 sugars to my three coffees though would that use up all my 500 cals? sad plus a splash of milk...

eatriskier Sat 24-Aug-13 12:06:25

thanks for Betsy

cake hasn't made it mobile yet...

lovely fry up this morning. yum yum. better not weigh myself till September.

(This is eagle BTW, for anyone wondering and who missed it on the last thread)

JB30 Sat 24-Aug-13 12:12:18

Waiting for friend so thought I'de see if new thread here! Go thread 26! Thanks Betsy thanks

BetsyBell Sat 24-Aug-13 12:17:35

Neozoom - I looked up on Mfp and white coffee with 2 sugars is around 60 calories a cup.

Hello newly named Eagle!

peplum41 Sat 24-Aug-13 12:18:48

Oh eagle I liked your old name. It was enigmatic. Pout and sulk.

eatriskier Sat 24-Aug-13 12:24:19

sorry peplum sad
my user names are anagrams <totally outs self>
eagleriderdirk had to go as I got married yesterday grin

peplum41 Sat 24-Aug-13 12:31:42

Oh and thanks to betsy, when do you go away? Any where nice?

Inspiring thread title*helles*, this is my totm is imminent week which means I revert to type, pre 5:2. Normal service will resume shortly.

trucks can you give us a vague hint as to where you live. Equator? Line of longitude? Caribbean?

peplum41 Sat 24-Aug-13 12:33:29

Mrseatsweddingcake oh I see! Many, many congrats. Are you enjoying your honeymoon?

BetsyBell Sat 24-Aug-13 12:39:09

Ooooooooh! Congratulations eatriskier What the devil are you doing on here instead of honeymooning?!

Off to a Greek island on Tuesday peplum - I hope it will be nice!

eatriskier Sat 24-Aug-13 12:45:13

Thank you!
No honeymoon I'm afraid. I have been blessed with a teething baby though confused

eatriskier Sat 24-Aug-13 12:45:35

Enjoy your hols betsy

JB30 Sat 24-Aug-13 12:59:30

Congrats * EatRiskier *
Have to figure out how to name change, too recognisable I fear!

changeforthebetter Sat 24-Aug-13 13:04:22

Congratulations eatriskier flowers

Happy hols betsy! smile

Thought I might actually die last night from awful stomach cramps (drama-llama, me? wink) but got lovely medicine from a Dr Ranj-alike this morning so much happier and actually a bit peckish. May take a photo of the 10 st 5 on the scales to keep my motivation up!

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Sat 24-Aug-13 13:07:22

Betsy thanks so much for that info.....have a gorgeous hol!

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Sat 24-Aug-13 13:16:08

How long did it take people to see some results can I ask? If you don't mind letting me know what your target weight loss was that might let me know a bit about my expectations and if they're realistic!

congrats eatriskier flowers

neo I aimed to lose 19lbs and achieved that in 12 weeks Admittedly I did a lot of exercise too.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Sat 24-Aug-13 13:49:40

Well done PostmanPatsCat that's a lot in a short time! What excersise did you do?

southeastdweller Sat 24-Aug-13 13:56:06

Thanks to betsy for this thread and enjoy your hols.

I'm maintaining but will be checking in with everyone as usual on this thread and giving advice when I can.

neo When fasting I eat mainly salads and soups with some tea and coffee. Bolied eggs are great, too, and most of us stay away from processed carby crap on FD's. I always have some frozen veg in the freezer which I can take out to cook quickly so I've no excuse about not getting in some veg - i have a pile of it with balasamic vinegar and chilli seeds. If I've enough cals left i add some low fat feta cheese or hummus. I'd try and train yourself to lose the sugar habit in your hot drinks, maybe by doing it gradually.

I plan to start next Monday. I'm scared - I've got so much to lose! blush

anothernamechangerreally Sat 24-Aug-13 14:11:15

Hello

Can I join? grin

I started a week and a half ago - I did 3 fast days last week and lost 4lbs. Next weigh in is Monday but have only managed 2 fast days this week. I have nearly 2 stone to lose. Would love to be there by Christmas - doable do you think?!

I'm bfing my fob who is nearly 10 months. Anyone else bfing while doing 5:2? If so, do you increase your fast days calories?

anothernamechangerreally Sat 24-Aug-13 14:11:31

Fob?! Ds!

Hiya gang, and welcome to newbies!

I know there are a couple of people still bf-ing on here, though the book advises against it.

I'm getting ready to live it up in Vegas for a week, but 5:2 habits have served me well - I have 2 boiled eggs and some roast broad beans with me for snacks. Though I do have a strange rule that I ONLY ever eat almond croissants at airports, so I'm really looking forward to that treat!

NotAsTired Sat 24-Aug-13 15:39:47

Congratulations eatriskier.

betsy enjoy your holiday, I just came back from a Greek island. Was fab.

Off to Jamie's Italian tonight. smile

MissStrawberry Sat 24-Aug-13 16:41:17

flowerswine and congratulations eatriskier smile.

I asked on the other thread - I haven't lost anything since last week - stayed the same so still feeling okay - but does it mean I have done something wrong because I haven't lost anything?

I fasted on Thursday and will fast again on Monday.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 24-Aug-13 17:17:59

wine to mr & mrs eatsriskier - hope yesterday was a fabulous start to your marriage

Going over tdee today I suspect after snarfing a bag of candy floss and two cookies. Predictably, I'm now famished so must be in the sugar dip sad

neo mostly running and elliptical trainer at the gym. I also used MFP to track all my food, drink and exercise but I rarely ate extra calories, just saved them up for meals out. I should really be on the maintainer's thread but I can't tear myself away from this one! I have lost 2st since Feb.

missS our worry about you was not eating enough on NFDs, since that could affect your health and your weight loss. Remember though the average is about 1lb a week on 5:2.

MissStrawberry Sat 24-Aug-13 19:46:35

I haven't calorie counted lately but feel I have been eating more than before but maybe still not enough. Will keep a track this week to get a better idea. Thank you.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Sat 24-Aug-13 20:42:40

Oh well I'm sure people like me will be glad you're here postman it's good to be able to ask someone whose done it!

wrigglebum Sat 24-Aug-13 20:56:53

Marking my place. Welcome to all the newbies, you'll love it here.

Congratulations eats! Was the wedding what you originally wanted to lose weight for? You must have been looking great for your photos with your new figure.

Had two children's parties today! Picked a bit at the party food but tried to stick to the carrot and cucumber to keep my hands busy and keep me from eating my own weight in cake grin. DH is making posh burgers for dinner- yum.

Shredded this morning- first go at level 2, it was sweaty!

Congratulations eatriskier!
Caribbean.

NSV went shopping for size 30 jeans, walked out in size 29 and a size small top! I was 34 and size large 2 months ago!

However my feet have gone from size 5.5 to 7.5 after 3 years mostly barefoot! ( and having a baby) hmm

Well done on level 2 wrigglebum!
I skived today as was shopping - friend's 40th tonight so needed glam clothes. I have been in shapeless sacks for last 30 months. No wonder I ate all the toast.

Doitnow Sat 24-Aug-13 22:23:22

Congratulations eatriskier.
Struggled this week a bit and off on hols next week so I may just take the pressure off and get right back to it next week. Will try to listen to body and not eat until I'm completely stuffed, like I used to!

Thanks for the new thread, it's really helpful reading how everyone's getting one, saved me from writing off this week completely!

nocomplicationspls Sun 25-Aug-13 00:58:29

Eatriskier you got married!!! Wow! Congrats. Eat riskier is good too. Trucks I too am intrigued to know where you live ;-)

nocomplicationspls Sun 25-Aug-13 01:37:10

Ah Carribean trucks, just read through. We are there now on hols, lucky you!

hopefulgum Sun 25-Aug-13 01:42:48

Marking my place on the new thread.

God knows what I am doing wrong, but I have done the fast diet for 5 weeks, fasting 2 days each week, sticking to 500 cals (once or twice went slightly over) and still no substantial weight loss.sad What the heck am I doing wrong? I have also amped up the exercise - I am swimming at least three times a week (about a km each time), so I am feeling pissed off that I am still the same weight as when I started. I have had a look at my TDEE and although not religiously keeping track, I am pretty sure I am not going over that TDEE (and I put into the calculator that I was sedentary despite exercising).

I don't want to give up this WOE, I just keep hearing such great results, and I know that in the long run it is great for my health (which is what has been motivating me) but I also want to lose 10 kilos so I can get out of the "overweight" BMI category and into the "healthy" category.

Any encouraging hints appreciated.

Congratulations on getting married eatriskier

peplum41 Sun 25-Aug-13 01:45:06

Hi doitnow, enjoy your hols,even if you do get carried away with eating, it soon chugs off again. There are some weeks that are really hard, I've just had a tough week. But most are fine.

postmanscat really glad you're addicted to these threads!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sun 25-Aug-13 06:21:27

Hi HopefulGum how much weight loss is not substantial?

Are you measuring yourself? Swimming involves resistance work - particularly over longer distances - could you have gained muscle in your core and upper body? This could reduce your weight loss but still make you smaller.

If you feel healthier, stick with it, the weight loss will come. You have made massive changes that will improve your life in thr long-term.

eatriskier Sun 25-Aug-13 09:00:06

Two days of eating whatever I felt like in no moderation and not all of it healthy. Feeling a little sluggish. Time to reign it in to under TDEE again until next Thursday's fast.

hopeful I agree with Helles - with all that exercising you are most likely swapping fat weight for muscle weight.

JB30 Sun 25-Aug-13 09:42:07

Morning all! Lying on couch after getting in at 3am but didn't have much to drink or even that much to eat (out at chinese/drinks) I stuck to water for pre-dinner drinks, and then had about 3 glasses of wine over the rest of the night. I did have a starter but v small amount of the main. Was out in another pair of my snug size 12's, I felt great!
I think the thing to remember for the new folks (I'm still new enough, about 3 months) is it isn't a quick fix, it's a change of the way you look at food - or it has been for me! It's teaching me moderation and self control. And I feel better about myself, I believe in it, and my lapses are my own - there's no magic here, you're eating less cals and if you're not losing 1 lb a week give or take (and you need to judge that over a month or so) then there's a good chance your calculations/portions are off. Unless, of course, there's an underlying med condition.
Stick with it, it's a million time better than the alternative IMHO

frenchfancy Sun 25-Aug-13 10:24:59

Thanks for the new thread Betsy Congratulations eagle (I'll get used to the new name soon I'm sure)

I'm an old timer, I lost 33lbs on 5:2, and have been maintaining ever since. I've been a bit slack the last few weeks, one fast saw most of the damage off though, so I'm not worried. Back to it in September to lose the last few lbs to see me under 10 stone for the first time in a LONG time.

Good luck to any new fasters. Just remember there is no need to dive straight in with 24 hours without food, ease yourself into it. If you go over the 500 cals on the first few fasts it is no big deal. your body will adjust, give it time.

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sun 25-Aug-13 10:37:32

Morning all! Welcome to the newbies. Thanks for the new thread Betsy and congratulations Eagle! :-)

Just marking my place on the thread. Did pretty well at making healthy choices at yesterday's epic all-day buffet and barbecue - a bit too much wine but broadly speaking I felt I trod the fine line between indulgence and gluttony grin

MrsFlorrick Sun 25-Aug-13 11:39:04

Hello everyone. grin

Congratulations eatriskier.

Still on my 16:8. And I have been Shredding. On day 5 now. It has caused weightloss to stall but I think it has something to do with muscles retaining water when you work
Out hard. I hope so anyway.

I completely failed at that second fast day last week. I ended up at 900 cals. Seems that 500 just isn't right for me yet. Sigh.

Even if I can't manage the full 500 cals I am aiming for three days next week with the lowest cals I can manage so somewhere between 700 and 1000. Hopefully that will move things along.

hopefulgum Sun 25-Aug-13 12:28:44

Hellesbelles, when I got back from two weeks of indulgence on holiday (22 July)I weighed 77.2 kgs. I started the fast diet a few days later and have dropped to 75.8 on the 16/8, but then I weighed in this Friday 23/8 (day after fast day) at 76.8. What's worse is that this morning I weighed 78 kgs shock Admittedly it was my DS's party last night and I had three glasses of wine and plenty of dinner and cake.

I have been swimming whilst doing the fast diet, so perhaps the muscle does weigh more than the fat, and I have had people complementing me on how I look.

However, I really thought that I would have lost a bit more than I have.

Today I decided that I have to make sure that I eat a clean healthy diet on NFD's because I think I have been giving myself permission to indulge a bit after fasting. I used to be very good at eating a clean Paleo style diet, no grain,sugar or dairy, but since starting the fast diet I have slipped and started having toast for breakfast on NFD's, and treats like chocolate, icecream and cake (it is hard to keep up the paleo diet, I find, it requires a lot of thinking and planning and work). I guess I thought the fast diet might work without having to have such a strict diet.

I also looked at some of the recommended sites and have found that I was wrong in thinking I need to lose 10 kilos, that my ideal weight is 57-63kgs. Which would be amazing, but that means I need to lose close to 20 kilos and I found that news rather depressing. Is it even possible for an old lady of 46 to lose that much ? hmm

I keep hearing so many positive stories on this thread, so I am nowhere near giving up I just want to do it right, have a healthy relationship with food (I am so sick of dieting and being unhappy with my body shape and size), and hopefully contribute to my longevity too. thanks

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sun 25-Aug-13 12:44:20

So a few ups and downs, HopefulGum have you taken any measurements? The waist to height ratio seems to be the gold standard at the moment - your waist should be jusf under half your height for health. Mine's 10" off that still. It's been hovering the whole time I've been 5:2ing - I would rather have slimmed than lost half a stone!

Try logging your food on the nexr few nfd's - you might surprise yourself. Also, I find that, when I consciously record what I eat, I'm less likely to snack. if you aren't keen on paleo - don't do paleo. The thing I've found with this woe is that it's reprogramming my body to accept less food. It's strange that I struggle to have a bit less but am fine having loads less!

Re age: I think there have been much older people on here than you. You have made a decision to improve your life and made changes to your life to make that happen. You are strong, dedicated and motivated. You can do anything you want to.

Hi folks,

I'm joining the bandwagon. Can you believe I've only just found out about 5:2?! I live abroad, so maybe that accounts for it, but I'm so glad I've found you all.

I watched the Horizon programme last night with my DH so he's also a convert. I don't really need to lose much weight, but I do need to lower my cholesterol and watch my health now I'm in my late 40s, so that's really the reason for embarking on this new lifestyle.

My main question, though, is this: is it more important to keep to the calorie limit on a fast day, or is it the TIME between food intakes, that is crucial?

Thanks for any help you can give. Determined to stay motivated.

MissStrawberry Sun 25-Aug-13 16:17:51

Hello all!

Just making a roast dinner. After the drama with an injured cat I wasn't here to make for lunch time. We had a 3.7 mile today and I am looking forward to the meal. Normal day today so have had

scrambled eggs with cheese for breakfast
salad, salami and a bit of cheese for lunch
quavers and 1 sweet while out
Dinner will be chicken, mash, parmentier potatoes, Yorkshire pud (maybe if the kids don't want it) and 6 veg. No pud today as cake left from DS1's baking and the kids will have that as dessert.

hopeful I am 45 and lost 2st on 5:2. DP had taken a different approach but had lost 3.5st aged 49. You are definitely not too old!

Dotty342kids Sun 25-Aug-13 21:45:56

eatriskier - what? I go away camping for five days and you get married?! Wow, and congratulations grin

So, back from five days camping and managed to stay the same which is good. I always find with camping that portions of meals are much smaller, and we're more active than at home - but that's offset by cider and ice creams smile so that seems about right.
Came home Friday and did a fast day yesterday to get straight back into it. Another one Tuesday, and possibly then a mini fast on Thurs but my mum's moving to our town (from over 100 miles away) so that might not go according to plan!

thaliablogs Sun 25-Aug-13 21:53:22

Hi all. Just back from hols and seem to be 3 lbs heavier but waiting til Tom is over as all clothes fitting the same or better. I did a few 16:8s, and did stick to no snacks. Otherwise ate a lot of lovely food (salads at lunchtime, full meals in pm) and didn't worry too much, but did loads of exercise - a 5-7k hilly run every other day and swam a half kilometre on days i did a run, and 1.2 km on days I didn't. Oh the benefits of having a pool!

Need to get back into losing weight now. Ran 9.3km today which was pretty tough. Need to get back to weights but lack motivation to do it and not a gym member right now due to the move. Movers arrive tomorrow am, not sure when I will get to fast again as will be spending the whole week moving and got a Parton sat. Maybe Sunday when things have calmed down!

Glad to see everyone else doing well as usual. Howdy.

Dotty342kids Sun 25-Aug-13 21:57:06

Just a thought about the waist / height ratio thing. Now I'll admit I am slightly biased about this one )because as an apple shape all my podge is around my middle!) but surely it can't be one rule applied to all body shapes?
I know that fat around the middle, and vital organs, is the worst place to have it for health reasons, but surely there has to be some leeway to allow for the differences in body shapes? I'm about 9" away from my "healthy" waist measurement and I am as certain as it's possible to be, that it's just not acheiveable for me. I can lose more weight, I know that, but I will always hold fat around my tummy area.
I just take no notice of pronouncements like these but I do think they are very off putting to those of us "blessed" grin with chunkier middles!

vintage52er Sun 25-Aug-13 23:10:22

hopefulgum over the last year I have lost 30lbs with 5:2/4:3 and I am now 59 (B&W is 75 - I'm sure he won't mind me telling you that wink), so proof that age is no barrier to weight loss.
I'd suggest listening to all the good advice on here and just sticking with it. You'll be so glad in the end smile

eatriskier Sun 25-Aug-13 23:16:28

Bugger. MIL brought round wedding cake. Well over TDEE and exercise calories.

Maybe I'll eat normally next week confused

NotAsTired Sun 25-Aug-13 23:22:29

Dotty. Unfortunately height/waist ratio matters to all, but especially to us apples. sad

BMI, waist circumference and waist-to-hip ratio were all found to have a similar strength of association with coronary heart disease, stroke and cardiovascular disease overall. Full research info here

Anyway, FD tomorrow. Wish me luck. I am finding it difficult to motivate myself but I thought I would just do it, like Nike told me to.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sun 25-Aug-13 23:27:34

Urgh! It better be totm (i'm very irregular so I haven't a clue) because, otherwise, I've stuffed myself with sweet and stodge all day for nothing.

Breadandwine Mon 26-Aug-13 00:19:31

Thanks, Betsy!

Congrats, eatriskier, may you have a long and happy life together! flowers

[I'm another one who regrets your name change! sad]

I've stuffed myself with sweet and stodge all day for nothing.

HellesBelles - at least you guys have an excuse! I've been doing exactly that myself, today. Every now and again I convince myself that we should build a feast day into our routines on occasion - usually after the event!

I've been uncomfortable all evening, and it's only now that it's beginning to ease off. I'm stubborn in that I won't use anything but the last notch on my belt - bit silly, but there it is. Fast day tomorrow, thank goodness. might even try a 36 hour liquid fast, we'll see.

Hi VP! (You can see I don't like change! smile)

berri Mon 26-Aug-13 00:29:53

Congrats eatriskier! flowers

I've reached my target weight!

5 weeks and I've gone from 132lbs to 119lbs. So pleased grin I've also been bfeeding 4 month old DD and there have been no problems there which was a relief.

So pleased I found you all and the threads and advice on here have been totally invaluable.

I think I'll still hang around here, if that's ok!

hopefulgum Mon 26-Aug-13 00:35:06

Thanks for the input about my lack of weight loss. Right now I am content to put it down to all the extra muscle hmm I have gained over the last 5 weeks. I actually have noticed that I have biceps under the fat,and a strong core too.

Incidentally, my waist to height ratio is 0.52 (the calculator says"consider action"), but I am only 4cm from being "OK". So feeling relieved at that. I think 4cm is do-able, I have always been hourglass - carrying loads of weight in my bum and thighs which I hate.

I heard a radio programme last week which says the latest research says that BMI should be the measurement rather than waist to height etc. Here's the transcript if you'd like to read it.

I will have to make a bigger effort to see if I am sticking within TDEE on NFD's. The problem is that the food I make isn't always standard stuff you'd find on myfitnesspal and I hate taking loads of time calculating how many calories are in stuff.

Whatever the case I am not someone who gives up easily (I have been TTC for four years, so I have stamina). So I will stick with 5:2.

I have toyed with the idea of 4:3, but don't know if I am that focused (and also probably not a great idea while ttc).

It is a fast day today and I am just reaching the "I feel a bit sick" stage of the morning. I know it will pass, and it is probably due to drinking about 3 cups of tea. I'll drink some water, that seems to help.

Happy Monday everybody brew

peplum41 Mon 26-Aug-13 02:23:44

Hello again

Well done berri, yes please do stick around. You can be the reassurance other bf fasters need.

hopefulgum, I've read somewhere, on one of these 5:2 threads, that exercise can cause your cells to hold water as part of the muscle building process. Also, apparently, fat cells hang on to water when you start to lose weight incase you change your mind and decide you want the fat back- its like its keeping the seat for a friend. Eventually they get the message, no I don't want the fat back thanks, so the water is released. One important reason to drink plenty of water on fds and NFDs to assist this process and reduce water retention.

peplum41 Mon 26-Aug-13 02:33:11

Or something like that anyway.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 26-Aug-13 02:41:32

Just checking into the new thread. Last week was a hodge-potch of TOTM-related and pure troughing it weight gain, I don't even know how much. Monday fast day now, I'll re-assess after that. I've effectively just been maintaining since June, unintentionally, as a result of too many 6:1 weeks. But they tell me the weather is FINALLY going to warm up around here soon, so I'm hopeful that'll give me more of a kickstart.

Current status quo is that I'm hovering around 61.5-62kg, I want to lose a further 5.

peplum41 Mon 26-Aug-13 03:26:55

tortoise oh good your summers on its way. Beer cravings come a calling. At least you've found a good way to maintain.

miss strawberry , dare I ask, is the cat ok?

thinkcan Mon 26-Aug-13 04:52:05

Yikes! After 3 weeks back in home country where I ate without restraint followed by 11 days of house guests during which we partook generously of the many culinary delights of my host country, I have put on 5 lbs. It's back to 5:2 WOE this week. Hope it won't be too long before I offload these 5 lbs.

peplum41 Mon 26-Aug-13 05:10:53

Hi to trulymadly

Yes! Be glad you found this thread, its a wealth of really useful info, often from people that have been fasting for over a year. Intermittently that is! I quite often check in feeling a bit peckish, but after a quick catch up feel motivated to stick with whatever regime I've set myself for that day.

If you're more interested in the health benefits than weight loss, then you may wish to concentrate on the fasting for several hours aspect, rather than calorie restriction. Most start by missing breakfast, have a low cal lunch, then a low cal tea. Eventually, you manage to just have tea. I think the advantage of aiming for 500/600 cals on a fast day is that it puts a limit on your intake, as it is easy to gorge when you've deprived yourself all day, which may undo all the health benefits as your body now has to process all this food, rather than go into repair mode. There is also the option of eating in an eight hour window, such as between noon and 8pm, to allow a longer gap between meals. There are many sites which go into the science behind the health benefits of fasting. Makes a fascinating diversion when you are missing lunches.

Ramblr

Welcome trulymadly

So, back home after two weeks of all inclusive and I am 200g lighter than I was two weeks ago!! Definitely no fasting occurred, I had breakfast (incl pastries or pancakes) every day, drank loads of juices and mocktails and had three mini desserts from the buffet after dinner most nights. We usually skipped lunch and I didn't exercise much the second week due to a cold, just leisurely swimming, some aquagym and the 5k walk to town and back.

Had planned to fast today but maybe 16:8 will suffice. It's not like there's any food in the house anyway until I have been shopping.

Happy bank holiday Monday everyone!

peplum41 Mon 26-Aug-13 09:50:08

That's a clever fasting tip posti, no food in the house.
Sounds a great holiday, a mix of nice food and plenty of enjoyable exercise. Does it make you want to live there?

think what are the many culinary delights of this mystery country?

I think todays fast is going to be one where I day dream about food. I've already contemplated what I world order from macdonalds if I ever allowed myself in there. Last FD, I made up a fantasy shopping list of what I'd buy if I could eat whatever I liked. Little cereal boxes, and mince pies!

tryinghard2 Mon 26-Aug-13 10:05:58

YAY! I've lost 17kg since April! I can hardly believe it! Keep going everyone, it does work and we will get there!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Mon 26-Aug-13 10:50:53

That transcript was interesting HopefulGum thank you for posting it.

Suffering today after blowout yesterday - sugar is much worse than alcohol. Doesn't help that I was repeatedly woken by the barking of my neighbour's dogs.

southeastdweller Mon 26-Aug-13 12:11:06

Well done trying. So that's just over 2.5 stones - it took me six months to lose that!

Sympathies HellesBelles - I have a similar problem with neighbours dogs. Impossible to ever have a lie-in here.

Is anyone else fasting tomorrow?

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Mon 26-Aug-13 12:31:24

Thanks SED - to be fair, I think I'm feeling too sorry for myself!

I will be fasting wed and fri this week. Too tired today and at the cinema tomorrow.

Claricemis Mon 26-Aug-13 12:48:47

Hi everybody. I just started a 4:3 fast last week. After three fasting days, I have lost 1 (+a little more) kilos and I can already see the change on my chin. (I had put on a lot of water a few days before I think).

I just wanted to say hi, since I've been following these threads for a while now. How is your fasting going?

mehefin Mon 26-Aug-13 12:54:03

Peplum

Little cereal boxes are great ! My rock bottom comfort food is rice krispies ( I know they're rubbish ). Trouble with a big box is it's too tempting to keep dipping in so I have two single portion boxes in the cupboard for emergencies now and hardly ever use them.

Dotty glad you had a good time with us here in glorious West Wales. I doubt our paths crossed as I don't go near the beach in school holidays preferring it almost to myself on windy autumn days.

Welcome to loads of new people

flowers for Eatriskier I love anagrams but will resist puzzling on your names !

Lizzabadger Mon 26-Aug-13 13:10:42

Belated congratulatioms Eatriskier and well done Berri and Tryinghard2.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Mon 26-Aug-13 14:25:40

Just anagramised my name and got: hello new sin.

A name change suddenly seems quite tempting!!

Isitme1 Mon 26-Aug-13 15:12:50

Helllooo
Im verrry interested in the 5 2 diet
Ive nearly lost all the weight I put on during pregnancy as when I was weighed at the beginning I was 111 and atm im 113 but im breastfeeding.
Would love to lose more as I'm still pretty big as you can imagine.
I had baby 6 weeks ago is it too early to start? ?
X

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Mon 26-Aug-13 15:30:25

Hi clari - welcome.That's an excellent start. It feels good when your face starts changing, doesn't it smile

And welcome isitme a couple of 5:2ers on here are also bfing and I am sure they will be along shortlisted to advise. Over the course of a week, you would reduce your calory intake by about 3000, but all in two days. The key, I would imagine, for you woyld be to ensure you get enough fat and iron to enrich your milk which means making sure you eat a well-balanced diet on nfd's.

Isitme1 Mon 26-Aug-13 15:43:28

Thanks. So far ive not been dieting. I'm just eating what I want but sensibly. Have got an special event middle of October so any weight loss would be great.
Dc is also formula fed top ups as my milk wasnt enough to begin with due to anemia but is better now I hope!
X Thanks for the reply x

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Mon 26-Aug-13 15:47:03

DS was topped up the whole time I bf'd because my milk was thin. He's 12 now, 5ft tall and size 7 shoe. Did him no harm. Best of both worlds probably

thinkcan Mon 26-Aug-13 16:17:05

peplum I am based in Indonesia where they have the most wonderfully deep fried fish, chicken, ribs, etc. Also, amazing range of exotic rich soups cooked with amazing mix of tropical herbs and spices. Here in East Java, people take lots of sweet foods and the range of desserts is amazing. Interesting combinations like avocado with coffee freeze, black glutinous rice and green beans cooked together and served with sweet and slightly salted rich coconut milk. All great and calorific foods. Tomorrow is first fasting day in over a month. Wish me luck!

JB30 Mon 26-Aug-13 17:40:57

Fasting today and finding it hard, lying on couch after getting home from work - kids seriously getting on my nerves, just being their normal selves but tired/hungry me hasn't got it in me to deal with them! Oven on to cook dinner so I'll eat in less than 30 mins, I can hang on in there a bit longer. Wearing my size 12's today with proper buttons closed and can still just about breathe so that's a sign of a good weekend - well good behaviour weekend grin
Dinner will bring me to 500, however I will be nudging closer to 600 I reckon as I know I need more than dinner, wee square or 2 of dark choc essential!

peplum41 Mon 26-Aug-13 18:49:35

Hi mehefin, thought you must be Welsh with that name. My dh is from Anglesey. I would prefer a quiet windswept beach in Autumn to hot packed one! I feel as though I belong on the coast really.

Although right now I wish I was in Indonesia! With glutinous rice and salty coconut milk, thinkcan. Faints.
I'm sure your body is ready to fast, although I'm glad mine is nearly done. Boring canned soup flopped over steamed veg. Yay.

Dotty342kids Mon 26-Aug-13 20:11:22

ooh mehefin you lucky thing, to have access to those beaches all the time! I'd never be out of the water grin
I'm fasting tomorrow too, seeing as today was a bank holiday - I'm back at work and am anticipating a day of pure busy-ness so it should be pretty easy to not eat till teatime!

Catch up with any other Tuesday fasters tomorrow smile

somewherebecomingrain Mon 26-Aug-13 21:16:32

Hiya just got to tell you about my holiday weight curve.

Was so pleased with progress and really worried about holiday weight gain.

Dp wouldn't countenance me fasting and I went on a slippery slope to absolutely gorging myself. Cream teas every day (yes, we were in Cornwall) plus ice cream and butter-loaded toast and snacks and three course evening meals out. Occasionally I managed to eat just a salad for dinner or just fish but not in a denying myself way, in a 'my body is begging me not to eat too much' kind of way.

Anyway, the holiday ends, we get home and it is evening - it looks like I've gained half a stone. Oh well, to be expected.

Next morning though,, it's only a quarter of a stone. I plan to only eat in a six hour window that day and although my dp ruins it by bringing in a pot of Eden project chocolate buttons late at night, I still eat a lot less.

This morning I was within a pound of where I'd been before leaving for the holiday.

Extraordinary.

Fasted today and feel alright - looking forwards to my biscuit tomorrow!

AngieM2 Mon 26-Aug-13 21:29:19

Same here somewhere horrified when i got on the scales (though it was late yesterday with wet hair and towel on my head). Fasted today so going for another weigh in the morning and putting it behind me! (The pasties, cream teas and fish and chips were worth it though)

Dotty342kids Mon 26-Aug-13 22:17:44

I think most of us are realising that any holiday damage is fairly painlessly removed within a few days of being back to normal routines - another great perk of this WOE!
Much as I love the freedom of the summer holidays (when I'm not trying to juggle the kids AND work!), in some ways I can't wait for them to get back to school so that I can return to normal fasting / exercising routines smile to see if I can shift a few more pounds before that certain December based event

MrsFlorrick Tue 27-Aug-13 00:21:46

Hello. Still here.

Been sticking to the 16/8 over the weekend and eaten under my TDEE. In fact well under TDee and still I have gained 3lbs. Wtf!!??

What is going wrong? I have been shredding every day too.

Argh. It's depressing. Am feeling sad.

Well done to the big losers. Some
Amazing stories on here. I want to be one of them (stamps foot and sulks).

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Tue 27-Aug-13 00:28:23

Have you measured, MrsFlorrick? How are your clothes fitting? Are you more toned? Do you feel fitter?

MrsFlorrick Tue 27-Aug-13 08:45:06

Helles. Not measured. I will try on my tight/just too small clothes today and see.

Don't know about feeling fitter. Every day shredding makes you quite sore for the first half of the 30 days.

All the best to those fasting today grin.

wrigglebum Tue 27-Aug-13 08:50:02

MrsFlorrick- I agree you should go by how you feel and how clothes fit rather than the scales. I've been on a weight plateau for nearly 4 weeks now but I think my body shape has changed more in those 4 weeks than it did in the previous 4 when I lost half a stone. I've been shredding too (though did have a bit of a break with visitors and going away) and it is definitely toning me up.

FD tonight- planning some rather yummy chicken ramen tonight for dinner, yum!

MrsFlorrick Tue 27-Aug-13 09:03:35

Wrigglebum. Thanks smile

I am feeling impatient. I keep eyeing up my old wardrobe of clothes that I am desperate to wear. And the scales keep telling me I am too fat.

Shredding a bit later again.
Off to try on some clothes.

Isitme1 Tue 27-Aug-13 09:09:27

Can I ask whats shredding? ?
blush
Sounds like you've got letters to shred lol x

wrigglebum Tue 27-Aug-13 09:38:47

This is shredding. You'll feel like you're going to die but it will change your body shape. Jillian is a bloody genius, you only need 20 minutes, some hand weights and a small patch of Lego free carpet in front of the television. I'm only doing it 3-4 times a week rather than 5-6 like a lot of other people and I'm seeing real changes. I'm starting to actually like my body and feel more confident.

MrsFlorrick- make sure you have some rest days from shredding too to allow your body to recover and build those muscles. I find I don't get better results if I exercise too much iyswim. Also, are you shredding on an empty stomach? That will really help burn that fat. I think we've all been sold the idea that there can be quick weightloss options, but remember that slower weightloss is more sustainable. This should be a change of lifestyle rather than a quick fix.

Shredding will help build lean muscle mass which will increase your resting metabolism, so it might take a while for the scales to shift in your favour but hopefully they will soon.

MrsFlorrick Tue 27-Aug-13 09:56:51

Wrigglebum. grin I know I know.

I must be more patient.

You've just given me an excuse to shred less wink

I shred while I fast so every morning. Doing 16/8 so that's easy.

I don't know if its burning fat faster. I do hope so.

The reason I am impatient now is this. I have lost almost 5 stone since having my last DC two years ago. I have one last measely stone to go to be back at pre preg weight and BMI of 21. Sigh.

It just feel like I am almost there but still so far away as I still can't wear my old clothes.

As my Oldest DC is 4, you can see that it's actually almost 5 years since I wore "normal" clothes. And I am so utterly fed up with being fat. I hate that whenever I need to go to the GP, every ailment is because I am over weight etc. argh.

To be clear all my excess weight is around my tummy. So the rest of me is a size 12 but my tummy is a size 18/20. Not only bad for health but it looks an absolute state too. And it makes me feel sad.

So yes I am stamping my feet.

yecartmannew Tue 27-Aug-13 10:36:05

Week 13

Loss this week 3 lb

Total loss 26 lb

Average per week 2 lb

lbs to Target 32

Isitme1 Tue 27-Aug-13 10:40:59

Before I got married I ranged between 14-18 but still looked pretty fit not trying to sound full of myself
And atm my fat is around my tummy. A lot of it is saggy skin and the rest is on thighs and arse. .
Once I get my double pram I will be walking loads to help too.
Will check link when im home. At gps with dc2 .
X

yecartmannew Tue 27-Aug-13 10:41:10

Hi all

Thanks for the new thread.

So, after being delighted last week with a mid week day after fast day weigh in of 13.13, I was expecting to bounce up by the official Monday weigh in.

Strange but true - between Friday am and Monday am, after 3 NFD's........Drum roll please.........13.11 grin

I am not sure what happened there as it has never happened before. I always have the scales in exactly the same place, weigh naked after the toilet and before my wake up cuppa.....

The only thing I can put it down to is that DP put a lb on this week, perhaps I gave him one of mine wink

peplum41 Tue 27-Aug-13 10:42:07

Oh the joys of being apple shaped mrsf. I must say well done for shredding and 16:8 daily. Seems harder than 5:2 and the occasional stab at pilates which is all I do. Maybe you need to think a little more long term, as in where you will be in 3 months and 6 months. I'm sure you will look completely different. And feel it too. When does your little boy start school?

peplum41 Tue 27-Aug-13 10:48:59

Yay cartman safely into the 13s.

I should be ironing really, just putting it off. Just under 3 hrs til fast ends. I like to do an extra 18 hrs after my 500 tea last night.

angelabbie Tue 27-Aug-13 11:39:57

well for the first time on this diet since May I feel a little fed up. I lost a stone in 10 weeks which was fab. Then I went on hols for two weeks and put on half of that stone. Went straight back on it nearly three weeks weeks ago and have just got back to what I was. Now I know I should not be fed up but I have really cut back on NFD's to under TDEE and upped the exercise by biking with my gorgeous new Pendleton bike so expected to lost a little quicker. Anyway if anyone fancies kicking some arse mine is available.
x

wrigglebum Tue 27-Aug-13 12:18:12

Wow, go cartman!

MrsF, I can completely see why you are getting impatient now. You've done so well already to lose all that weight, I'd want the last bits off too. I do recommend you try a couple of proper fast days, if you can manage 16:8 you can do it! Just make sure you do veg and protein on fast days and no white carbs. I do wonder if every day on 16:8 means you're not actually eating enough and your body is desperately hanging onto that last bit.

I am an apple shape too and have a bigger tummy than I'd like, I'd love to have the weight go on my hips and boobs instead of tummy, arms and face.

Hi all, weight loss is steady and getting used to fasting. 9lbs down and can't wait for the first stone. Found out that it's likely to be December before my op so if I can get down to 12.5 stone I'll be overweight rather than obese. 1.5 stone to go then....

Well done cartman and macca great results!

Thank you.i had a bit of wobble after an encounter with a which of a practise nurse at my GPs surgery. She asked me how my diet was and whether I do much exercise- all in the most patronising and condescending tone. She was about 17 years old and the size of a twig. Nearly burst into tears, and felt myself getting very red. If she'd read my medical notes she would see that doing exercise would probably involve me wetting myself- I miss swimming and cycling hmm. Anyway, onwards and downwards. I do wish medical staff would think before they speak.

yecartmannew Tue 27-Aug-13 14:25:09

Hey macca have you considered some sort of watersport where a wetsuit is required? Peeing in your wetsuit keeps you warm blush

Appoligies in advance if I've overstepped the line! (twas my first thought when I read your post)

yecartmannew Tue 27-Aug-13 14:28:07

Sorry forgot to mention, its only OK when its your own wetsuit, peeing in a hired suit is just plain bad manners!

It's an idea, though I do live 3 hours from the sea! Btw, that should have read 'witch'. I blame fast day brain cells grin. Don't worry about overstepping the mark- I tell all and sundry about my crappy pelvic floor- hence operation in December!

Isitme1 Tue 27-Aug-13 16:41:23

Nice to see how you all support each other.
I was on a lovely thread once and the people there really inspired me. After a few weeks people were telling me I looked healthier and I myself felt better for it.
I would have 2 toast in yhe morning, salad with either chicken or low fat tuna mayo thing from tesco and would have the same tea as everyone is.
I think my calorie intake has been pretty high so yhe first few pounds should be easy if I eat sensibly and that should keep me motivated.

Well done for those who have done well!!
X

Talkinpeace Tue 27-Aug-13 17:01:37

Well, having had nearly two weeks en la belle France eating three meals a day and drinking every evening I'm feeling pretty flabby
BUT
I'm still in my skinny jeans (just) and will restart fasting next week as I have to be at killer fit size by mid September.

Welcome all new starters, well done to all those who are getting there on their targets and to those who are stuck at a size, stay with it as the health benefits long outlast the weight changes.

eatriskier Tue 27-Aug-13 17:02:38

Welcome home tip
Hope you had a great hols

MissStrawberry Tue 27-Aug-13 17:06:16

Sorry to be rude and only answer peplum's question. Not stopped all day and shattered. Cat was bitten by GirlCat and she is definitely in the dog house as she has broken the cat flap now. He is okay though it loos sore. Been a real trooper though as he isn't allowed outside to play yet. Saturday he slept all night in our room and we didn't hear a peep. Sunday night he woke up at 2am and at 3.30am we put him downstairs as he would not stop yowling, scratching and trying to get in a bag!

Not doing well at all. Fast day yesterday but had celery and some tzatziki for lunch then I must have had more than 500 calories for dinner as it was so yummy. Had to have an emergency pudding too as feel a bit out of it but had also had to dash and get DD from PIL as she had been stung by a wasp shock.

Today I had 2 bits of toast with the tzatziki on. No lunch as busy and not hungry. Had half a M&S egg mayo sandwich and 3 home made chips and a piece of wensleydale cheese while cooking for the kids. Do I give up on trying again for a FD and try tomorrow??

Dotty342kids Tue 27-Aug-13 17:10:22

tip welcome back! What's happening in mid Sept???

Talkinpeace Tue 27-Aug-13 17:21:42

family party wink

eatriskier Tue 27-Aug-13 17:31:41

I have managed to fast all day with the dcs and feeling rotten. This has mainly been coz they've both been rotten too and have either slept concurrently or I've only really had to deal with them one at a time. Even got a sleep in myself.

Looking forward to dinner tonight very much. And am desperately avoiding the gorgeous but calorie laden cake that is sitting on the table.

NotAsTired Tue 27-Aug-13 17:51:32

Had an enormous cream cake (slice of) today. Do I feel good? No, I do not. I feel sick, bloated and lethargic. One of these days, I am going to learn that just because its there, I don't have to eat it. So kudos to you eatriskier for avoiding the cake. smile

NotAsTired Tue 27-Aug-13 18:03:42

I'm not sure what others would say, eatriskier but if you are unwell, maybe try a proper fast later in the week? I know that if I was feeling rotten, I would not even contemplate a fast.

NotAsTired Tue 27-Aug-13 18:11:26

Oops, sorry I got half of eatriskier's post mixed up with half of missstrawberry's. blush Bloody cake fugue.

Dotty342kids Tue 27-Aug-13 18:18:47

But well done eatriskier cos now when you're all feeling better tomorrow, you can eat normally and enjoy it!
tip you look fab already but am sure you'll be back to your usual strict self in no time grin

eatriskier Tue 27-Aug-13 18:24:37

notas don't worry! I feel rotten but got to 5:00 without really even wanting to eat. And I'm not sure cake will make me feel better, which you may have just proven to me wink

misss missed your post. Go with what your body is telling you. That's what I decided to do today. If you're not hungry just fast/have a low cal day. If your body wants you to stuff your face, then do it. disclaimer: advice only applies to when you're ill grin

eatriskier Tue 27-Aug-13 18:25:22

dotty why waste a day feeling rotten and not hungry on not fasting when you can feel well and have a non fast day grin

southeastdweller Tue 27-Aug-13 19:11:46

MrsF How are you feeling now? I agree with wriggle about you trying some proper 500 cal FD's, and how much under your TDEE are you going under? I think the maximum is 20% though IME you should be closer if not pretty much bang on, same for you angel <bossy>

MissStrawberry Tue 27-Aug-13 20:14:36

eatriskier - I think you are very very very wise and I will take your advice grin. <remembers choc pud in fridge that I will persuade DH to let me have as it is his share>.

Talkinpeace Tue 27-Aug-13 20:57:41

The most important thing I've learned with this way of eating is to never beat yourself up about a meal.
Think about it, analyse it, but don't beat up about it.

I really should start getting back in shape PDQ, but I'm tired and have a cold and no food in the house so thoroughly enjoyed fish and chips for supper.

Tomorrow is another day.

MissStrawberry Tue 27-Aug-13 21:52:38

I am loving, loving that I am no longer scared of food.

MrsFlorrick Tue 27-Aug-13 22:15:42

Southeastdweller. If I eat anywhere near my TDEE I gain weight.

I think the online calculators over estimate my TDEE because I am tall and fat and they assume perhaps I have more muscle than I do. My scales have a body fat monitor thingy which tells me my body fat is 39% sad

I aim for 1200 cals a day. My BMR ("coma rate") is 1500 cals. If I ate 1500 cals a day I would gain weight even if I was shredding. So again I think I burn less than the calculators estimate.

I have dipped my toe into fasting and done a few days of 700 cals but that is as low as I can manage just now.

I may try for another 700 cal fast tomorrow. Wish me luck grin

I am still feeling meh. I guess it's partly the annoyance that I am so close but still it will take months before I am "there". And both my DC are being nightmares at the mo. my eldest spent most of today on time out. I will spare you details but it has been grim behaviour wise lately. Not helping the mood and it turns my mind towards cake (and wine smile).

Wish me luck for tomorrow.

southeastdweller Tue 27-Aug-13 22:21:10

Wishing you lots of luck for tomorrow Mrs. You can do it. Let us know how you get on.

Hello everyone, another one back from holidays. after 14 days in Turkey and no fasting..lots of fabulous food and drinking every day Im not very surprised to find that Im 5 YES 5 pounds heavier. ( and its TOM!)
I do hope you are right dotty and that I also will fit into the category of undoing the damage fairly quickley.
I got back last night and got straight on with fasting today.. no problem at all and Ill do another one on Thursday.
Welcome to all the new starters..youve come to the right place !
And welcome back all holiday makers like me! i did check in from my sun lounger from time to time..its been very quiet !

hopefulgum Wed 28-Aug-13 00:30:10

Monday's fast went very well until about 4pm. I had a nice soup for lunch which was only 120 calories, but could not shake a feeling of extreme tiredness all afternoon. I sat down on the couch with DS and watched a movie. I don't like feeling so knackered and not getting things done. In the end I had a small yoghurt, which actually helped me feel better and I perked up after that. I made a beautiful Laksa with fish instead of prawns for dinner, which the recipe said was about 370 cals per serve. The recipe was two serves and DH and I didn't eat all of it, so I think we may have had under 370 calories, but I think the yoghurt (full fat and delicious) may have been worth a couple of hundred calories shock

But as Talkinpeace says, it isn't worth beating myself up about food. I have been doing that for years and just don't want to anymore. I figure it was still a pretty good fast day, and when I weighed myself the following morning I had lost a tiny bit.

So onwards and upwards (or downwards on the scales grin).

Does anyone else feel tired on fast days? I always swim in the mornings of Monday fast days, but that shouldn't make me excessively tired, I usually feel energised by it.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 28-Aug-13 01:24:25

Morning all. Going for second fast of the week, after a few weeks of 6:1.

I have weirdly put on a couple of kilos this week though, and my fat skirt is fitting tightly. I assume it's a form of water retention, since I ate pretty lightly yesterday (haven't been well, so didn't eat between my sensible 8am breakfast and a fairly light 7pm dinner, then some cheese and crackers later but that's all) and it's not TOTM. We shall see.

Hopeful that sounds delicious! Would the laksa be good without the yoghurt, do you think?

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 28-Aug-13 01:25:47

(Sorry, disregard that, I just saw that the yoghurt was separate from the laksa)

frenchfancy Wed 28-Aug-13 06:21:31

Mrs F if you gain weight at your BMR then something is wrong with your calcs - either you are shorter that you think ( grin ) or you are not counting your calories correctly. It is all about portion size. There is no point logging a jacket potato for example if you haven't weighed it first.

Have you seen the Secret eaters program? It is on Youtube if not. There are regularly people on there who do a food diary saying they eat 1500 cals and still put on weight. When the dietitian works out what they actually ate it is more like 3000 or sometimes 4000 cals.

If you are brave enough to share what you have eaten for a day - with all weights and every bite counted for then I'm sure we will be happy to help.

Sorry if this sound patronising, but people who say they put on weight at their BMR, let alone their TDEE are defying science and if it were really true then scientists and Doctors would have to go back to the starting block.

NotAsTired Wed 28-Aug-13 07:27:28

MrsF, I agree with FrenchFancy that your calculations sound a bit confused. Your BMR is the minimum amount of calories you should be eating. What is your actual TDEE? And what are you using to calculate your calories?

Claricemis Wed 28-Aug-13 07:33:17

A fast day for me today. I lost weight since yesterday morning even thoug I ate what I wanted without checking portions. The reason probably being that I could only eat twice during that day and not very large portions. I was stuffed. Nice to know that my stomach must be getting smaller.

So far I haven't had a bite to eat and I feel pretty good. This is going to be my 4th fast. I've lost 1,5 kilos so far and I feel really good about this lifestyle. I feel like I'd be able to stick to it.

wrigglebum Wed 28-Aug-13 07:37:16

MrsF, if you have done your calculations correctly with TDEE and consumption then surely your body has gone into starvation mode- it sees less coming in so learns to survive on less and desperately holds onto the fat just in case. I agree with frenchfancy about logging every single morsel that goes in your mouth- every bit swiped off the children's dinner, every drink, every biscuit. Plus weighing things for a bit to keep a check on portion control.

If you are eating that little day to day and shredding I'm not surprised you can't do a 500 cal fast- you are pretty much fasting every day already! No wonder you feel rubbish (and I know when I feel rubbish I find my boys much harder work- you can't look after others if you don't look after yourself).

The TDEE should be accurate, even if your weight is fat it takes your body effort to maintain that, to pump the blood around, to move your body around. Try and calculate again putting the activity at sedentary (I think TIP also recommends putting in the weight you want to be rather than what you are now). Then eat right up to that TDEE on non fast days. I know it might take a while to get your head around eating that much and you may bounce up a little but in the long term you should become leaner, healthier and a lot happier.

I also recommend you make your new diet low GI/GL- cut right down on processed carbs, eat plenty of veg, a bit of fruit after a meal, lean protein, some whole grains. If you do want that bit of cake or sweet have it at the end of a meal- it will make it harder to over indulge and keep your blood sugar more even (which will make you feel better and prevent fat storage). If you do need snacks then something protein like some edamame, boiled egg, bit of cheese, scrape of peanut butter on an oat cake etc.

Definitely have at least 1-2 days rest from hardcore exercise per week, although if you wanted to walk or swim those days that should be ok. Your body needs to recover and repair, and too much exercise can increase cortisol production which hinders weightloss and stresses you out. I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to correct me if I'm talking crap.

I hope you don't feel like we're picking on you. You've done amazingly well to get as far as you have (I don't think I could do that) and we want to help you achieve your goal.

wrigglebum Wed 28-Aug-13 07:38:34

That Laksa sounds amazing hopefulgum. I'll bookmark that!

MrsFlorrick Wed 28-Aug-13 08:06:02

Wrigglebum. I like the idea of eating more!!!

I have recalculated my TDEE. It's 1829. BMR is 1524. Seditary at current weight. At my ideal weight TDEE is 1735.
I faithfully record every morsel that passes my lips.

I already eat low carb as I low carb since January but it didn't help me lose much weight.

I guess I am extra annoyed just now because this time last year I was this weight. Then due to marital issues I felt down and ate (cake biscuits choc) and I put almost 2 stone on by last Christmas.

So if I hadn't been such an idiot I would have been in my old clothes already.

And I am hankering after Allsaints leather trousers grin

I will report back with my copy of my intake later.

MrsFlorrick Wed 28-Aug-13 08:14:36

Sorry meant to add that if I add moderate exercise ie 1-3 times a week my TDEE goes up to 2097. And if I add 3-5 days per week then its right up at 2347!!!

I was counting 2097 as my TDEE. That is high. I guess 1700 is more like it.

wrigglebum Wed 28-Aug-13 08:23:19

Yes, maybe eat around the 1750 mark with a couple of 500 cal fast days (shouldn't be too hard if you're eating properly normally). Then your shredding should allow you to have a nice meal out of tasty treat on the weekend without guilt.

wrigglebum Wed 28-Aug-13 08:24:06

...or tasty treat.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Wed 28-Aug-13 08:26:54

Feel yuck - sugar is evil! Why does fanta taste so good?

JB30 Wed 28-Aug-13 08:28:29

Just reading through everyone's holiday weigh gains and subsequent quick losses, I must be the exception. I'm starting to believe I just find it v hard to lose weight. It took me a good month to shift my holiday weight - at least 10 fd's.It was about a 5 pound gain and it had gone by last Saturday, although scales is acting silly buggers last 3 mornings. But Friday/Saturday is the true WI so need to stop obsessing. 16:8 today, and FD tomorrow. On a day off so plan to do a run shortly then weather permitting bring kids out this avo for some fun.
I feel your pain MrsF - I reckon if I ate tdee I would gain. One things for sure for me, 2000 calories a day is certainly not my gda! It's more like my ggw, guaranteed gain weight!

eatriskier Wed 28-Aug-13 09:21:55

so the damage of 3 blowout days and one successful fast has been just under 2lb. hoping tomorrows fast will shift a fair whack of that. was definitely a good weekend worth some weight gain though. back to the grindstone now.

MrsFlorrick Wed 28-Aug-13 10:10:50

Jb30. GWG. Haha. Yes indeed!!!

I am not sure exercise makes a great deal of difference either.

I wasted 7 months this year just low carbing. It's supposed to curb your appetite. Doesn't work for me. I could merrily eat fatty food till the cows come home. It certainly didn't make me eat less. I did ditch sugar which was great.

Argh. I want a magic wand and some sleep. Both DC were up for hours last night and I feel my age and more today.

JB30 Wed 28-Aug-13 12:26:34

I remember a saying that you need to cut back on the food to lose the weight but you need to do the exercise so you look good with your clothes off. Going to take me an awful lot of exercise....
Joking aside, I'm averaging about 3 runs a week, I did a 20 min exercise section today, used to be mad about Davina but havent done it in a while. I feel the need for stepping it up. Cannot be doing with shred, I do like Jillian, I just hate the cheesiness of it and the lecturing at the way too. 30 day head wreck I call it! Need a decent weight workout, any suggestions?

JB30 Wed 28-Aug-13 12:29:32

Poor MrsF on no sleep - any chance of bribing them
with tv and having power nap on the couch. If you're at work, this approach probably won't work [wink ]

Tommy Wed 28-Aug-13 12:41:32

have been away and not fasted for a week or so.
Need to get back on track and have so far had nothing except coffee
BUT....there is a pizza in the oven and 3 left over cakes from a party waiting to be eaten sad
Should I cave in and get into routine next week and back to work or hang in there..... [hungry emoticon] sad

Lizzabadger Wed 28-Aug-13 13:01:28

Can you eat a small amount of pizza and cake and stay within TDEE today and then fast tomorrow?

Lizzabadger Wed 28-Aug-13 13:08:38

Mrs F I am another one who does not believe a "tall fat" non-bedbound person can possibly gain weight on 1500 calories per day. Are you weighing your food? Counting calories in drinks? Do you think you might be eating in your sleep (surprisingly common)?

MrsFlorrick Wed 28-Aug-13 13:37:09

JB30. I really like Jillian. She's great in an American geezer-bird sort of way. The cheesiness keeps me entertained while I do the workout.

Otherwise how about the darcy Brussels Pilates DVD? Couple of friends have it and love it.

Lizza. I don't generally weigh food. Most of it can be quite well estimated on mfp (ie half a cup, quarter of a cucumber etc etc).

I don't drink juice or fizzy drinks. One coffee in the morning which is made with 50ml of light soya milk (exactly 11cals). Green tea. I just drink water. Out of the tap or sparkling (oh yes I know how to live wink).

I don't pick off the childrens food. Stopped that while I was fully low carb.

I have recently had a battery of blood tests at the GPs. And GP said that my thyroid result was very different in the second set of bloods (3 weeks apart) to the first. Something about thyroid function going up and down and after a while it would either settle or stop functioning completely.

He did say it was probably fine but perhaps its stopped working. Yikes. What are the other symptoms. Or perhaps its still settling and not working to capacity yet.

yecartmannew Wed 28-Aug-13 13:49:47

mrsF I think you should go and get your thyroid checked again. Among other things the symptoms can be tiredness, weight gain (or failure to loose weight while dieting), Depression or low mood, heavy or irregular periods, muscle aches and weakness, dry skin, brittle nails and hair.

I don't think it would hurt (well, "just a sharp scratch") to make sure your levels are OK.

Tommy Wed 28-Aug-13 14:22:25

lizzabadger - no!!

Managed to resist both at lunchtime and had some melon and raspberries instead smile

Pagwatch Wed 28-Aug-13 14:25:52

Darcy Brussels grin

MrsFlorrick Wed 28-Aug-13 14:28:54

Cartman. I think I will. Other than being fat and having crap hair, I don't really have any symptoms. Always had crap hair btw.

Perhaps I have just built soooo much muscle doing shred in the last 10 days that I am gaining muscle but losing fat and the scales are static grin

MrsFlorrick Wed 28-Aug-13 14:33:05

Pag. Sorry. Bloody phone and fat fingers argh

Pagwatch Wed 28-Aug-13 14:38:22

Don't apologise. I like it. She should be Darcy Brussels on a food/diet thread...

yecartmannew Wed 28-Aug-13 15:39:01

I like Darcy Brussels too!

and shouldn't that be bloody phone and muscular fingers wink

I am coming in for sympathy: toddler DS had to go to A&E last night because he jumped off a stool and sliced his head open on the floor or a table or something. I was at the door letting a -supposed to be there between 10am and 2pm-- bloody plumber in, whilst hosting a play date. Huge amounts of blood, hysterical toddlers and other mum, husband left work to take is to hospital while I did first aid and looked after DS.

They tried 3 times to glue it while he screamed and screamed then sedated him and the meds didn't work, he just got stoned, then had to be pinned down for a third time and glued and taped. He just screamed in total fear and pain, he has autism so it was even worse for him having strangers in his face.

Then I was up checking on him during r night and been up since 4am.
He is fine this morning - dancing about from 5.30am - but I am exhausted.
Was going to do Shred and fast but fuck it.
Going to get some coffee and maybe have a gentle swim - I can't sleep in the day but I'm shattered and now all the drama is over, strangely weepy. Delayed shock I think.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Wed 28-Aug-13 16:04:28

T&D - sympathies. While my ds is constantly splitting his head, he has no additional needs which makes life at a&e much easier.

Cartman - well played

Well my planning is finally done ready for work tomorrow. So engrossed was I that I forgot to eat or drink. Have just had two water biscuits with a sppon each of tuna mayo and a cup of blueberries. 156 calories all told. Looking forward to chicken veg and rice for tea since I have 350 calories to use. And, of cpurse, a truffle. Guylian this week - they were on offer smile

yecartmannew Wed 28-Aug-13 16:12:06

(((((*trucks*)))))

eatriskier Wed 28-Aug-13 17:16:42

trucks that's really awful. Hope your DS feels better soon, and you get some rest ((hugs))

MrsFlorrick Wed 28-Aug-13 17:51:14

Me and my muscly fingers are back!! grin

Today I have had:
B: nuffink. Doing 16/8. Cept 2 coffees with 50ml of soya milk light each (11 cals per cup

L: Slim pasta (1 packet 15 cals) with gazpacho soup (Waitrose one 134cals for half a pot)

Snacks mid afternoon: 2 apples (80 cals each), 2 Waitrose cup a soup (59 cals each)

Dinner: not had yet but I will be having home made nasi goering which is made of 1 chicken breast, half a pointy cabbage (spring cabbage), 3 spring onion, 150g of brown basmati rice and sauce made of chopped red chilli, some sweet chilli sauce (I know I know but use by dates are up) lemon juice and olive oil. This is for two people (DH and I) to share.
MFP says the above is a total of

Lizzabadger Wed 28-Aug-13 17:56:52

Well done Tommy!

Hope you get to the bottom of it, Mrs F

That sound awful Trucks I hope you both feel better soon.

NotAsTired Wed 28-Aug-13 17:59:20

Only managed a 20 hour fast today as I had a late dinner last night due to the rich cream cake I had eaten earlier in the day.

Today's fast has been ok. For dinner I had veg soup followed by 3 oatcakes topped with a warm bean salad and some cheese and I'm about to round it all off with a cup of tea and some chocolate.

MrsFlorrick Wed 28-Aug-13 18:00:27

Argh posted too soon. Muscly fingers strike again!

Total for my home made nazi goering was 621cals so for my half would be 310 cals.

Trucksanddinosaurs. So sorry to hear. What an utter nightmare. Are you feeling calmer yet? I hope your DSs heads better and you get some sleep. thanks

Not planning to eat after 8pm tonight. I wanted to 16/8 tomorrow but I promised to take DC to Whistable so need to eat before I drive that far or i will eat crap in the car. It may have to be a 14 hour fast

Also I have been on here moaning this week as in really whining. I'm sorry everyone. I wanted to say that I lost 10lbs in just over two weeks just doing 16/8 and I stalled starting shred. And I can't face a full on 500 cal fast.

So yes this WOE works really well. I don't have any doubts. I am moaning because I want to reach my goal yesterday and am feeling impatient.

I have also stalled and you'd think exercise would help eh. All than work for nothing.

Anyway taking DC for bath.

Lizzabadger Wed 28-Aug-13 18:08:44

Exercise is really really good for you irrespective of weight loss <wags finger> <still in preachy work mode>

It sounds like you're doing really well overall, Mrs F. A lot of that initial 2-week 10lb weight loss was probably not fat loss. Your genuine fat loss is probably just catching up (sorry - I know that sounds unscientific but it's the way I think about it).

MrsFlorrick Wed 28-Aug-13 18:10:47

Lizza. Ah if only the fat loss would hurry up and get with the program.

grin

Fingers crossed I won't be tempted by crap at the seaside with DC.

frenchfancy Wed 28-Aug-13 18:14:12

You are allowed to have a moan occasionally, especially when you are good enough not to take offence when we wag fingers. 10lb in 2 weeks is amazing. Exercise often causes weight loss to stall, that is when you need to get out the tape measure.

Trucks definitely don't fast, there are days when you have to accept that life has got the better of you. There is always tomorrow. Look after your little man (and yourself)

jb30 im very much hoping that I wont be the exception about quickly losing holiday gains but I think I may be , because it took me so long to lose my weight in the first instance..( 17lbs off in 8 months of 5:2)...

hence my next comment to mrs F - to lose 10 lbs in 2 weeks of 16:8 is bloody fantastic..it took me about 5 months to lose that on 5:2.. Dont beat yourself up..You sound to me as if you are doing very well.
Just keep plodding on and try not to expect too much too soon.This works.( I do need to take my own advice sometimes though..Im the most impatient person) grin

JB30 Wed 28-Aug-13 18:52:02

Headin.. you sound v similar to me. I'm at 10 pounds over 4 months, up/down but basically 10 pound sad I don't know if I hadn't had my holiday gain would I have the stone off but I'll never know now - would mind, food/drink were crap on hols so felt cheated with the 5 pound. Of course I didn't have to eat the crap food drink but I was AI so I had to rightconfused?
TnD my eldest split her forehead at 2 yo. You would swear a pig had been slaughtered the amount of blood. Got it paper stitched in hosp, only to bring her home, have her lamp her head off the wall and burst it open again! Feel you pain. They are brought to this earth to scare is to death, I'm sure if it! Hope he & you have recovered from the ordeal.
I'm on a 16:8 nfd, just ate my dinner, hitting about 1100, seriously tempted to take stroll to shop for eh...supplies? Stop me now! I've money in my wallet and a glass of wine under my belt, this could get dangerous

Talkinpeace Wed 28-Aug-13 19:10:33

DO NOT SHOP WHEN DRUNK / having had a drink / EVER
You need nothing more to eat or drink until tomorrow

the thing is jB 10 lbs is alot of weight to lose ...and its now gone right!
even though Ive put a bit on I enjoyed my holiday and there was no way I was going to fast on my holiday ! I did get to wear a bikini for the first time in 17 yrs.. and I still feel good.
Im not even THAT bothered if the weight takes a while to come back off because I know that it will do!
and Yes if Id have been on an AI I would have made sure I got my moneys worth and eaten all courses three times a day --and afternoon cake--grin

JB30 Wed 28-Aug-13 20:00:55

I hear you Tip, kitchen/bar is closed for the night. I had a small bar of dark choc as pudding, then completed my mfp and dragged my greedy ass outta there. Now watching the US version of "Obese/Fat.. A year to save your life" with Chris Powell, he's no Jesse P (who I think actually copies him) but as eye candy goes he'll do. And this candy don't put no junk in my trunk (I'm not drunk I swear, I'm just hyped up on US programming confused)

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Wed 28-Aug-13 20:45:09

Very late eating tonight as I fell asleep watching tv. Not sure if it was related to fd or if I was just warm, tired and comfortable. When I woke up though, I was quite light headed and shaky so I thought I had better eat something pdq.

Have eaten so little today, I was able to have a yoghurt as well as everything else. Yum smile

Diet has gone to pot today as found out I may be made redundant hmm. Have eaten a large portion of chips and battered sausage and a cake. Still feel miserable. hmm

blurredlines Wed 28-Aug-13 21:34:10

Can I join please??
Did my first fast on Monday and my second will be tomorrow. I am 5.4 and 11 4lb target weight 9.8lb.

Silly question but do you still watch your calories intake on none fast days? I keep thinking If I eat 'normal' ie 2000 it's just going to cancel out the fast days?

hugs to you and DS trucks

macca hope the rumour doesn't come true. Can you start looking for something else just in case?

blurred welcome - yes, work out TDEE and stick pretty close to it on NFDs.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Wed 28-Aug-13 22:33:37

Praying for you Macca, I hope it turns out well.

Hi Blurred, if you're here, you've joined. I gather that the way this woe works is by restricting calories but also by giving the body a shock on fd's. So it's important to eat healthily on nfd's (btw gradually, your tdee will seem like too much food) but it's just as important to have your 2-3 fd's per week so the occasional splurge doesn't matter too much.

Talkinpeace Wed 28-Aug-13 22:35:43

Macca
You'll be fine. You have the tools and support to be strong.

Blurred
2000 calories is a random number .... find out your TDEE and try to stay within that on normal days ....

MrsFlorrick Wed 28-Aug-13 22:50:39

Maccapakka. Poor you. Not exactly ideal.

Are your skills/job very transferable? Perhaps to avoid feeling down while you wait to hear, you could get your cv together and look around. It will keep you busy as well as being proactive and stopping you sinking into a depressed/low state (and eating too much cake).

Again sorry to hear.

Thank you everyone. Without giving too much away I work for the nhs in a specialist role- I'm the only person in the uk who does my job. There are some transferable skills but I have to find a job that is 9-5 Mon-Fri to suit child care and family needs. If they decide that my position is no longer needed I'm probably looking at redundancy- and going to work for an agency to suit my needs. Financially I'll be ok I think but emotionally I'm all over the place hmm

MrsFlorrick Thu 29-Aug-13 07:45:45

Maccapakka. Ugh that's awful. I hope they decided they need you especially if you're the only one doing this job!

I want to say something comforting but I guess the only comfort for you will be to hear your job is safe.

I'm on my first proper week of this, only managed one fast day last week, then did Monday this week and doing today as well. I've already lost 2lb!

How do you all find exercising on a fast day, I go to some quite intense classes and am slightly nervous I'll just keel over??

NotAsTired Thu 29-Aug-13 07:57:37

Macca. Very sorry to hear that. Look after yourself.

MissStrawberry Thu 29-Aug-13 07:59:52

cake for Trucks. Hope you are all okay. DS2 just had a nosebleed and that was bad enough so I really feel for you.

I don't know what I am doing at the moment. I can't get my arse into gear for logging calories so have no idea what I am eating. Put on o.4lbs but I have TOM so assuming it is that. I have done one FD this week so far.

DH is away and two of my kids went back to school yesterday so every morning is a worry and every afternoon is a worry. Oh well, only 3 more years to go.

Good fasting vibes to everyone.

eatriskier Thu 29-Aug-13 08:02:23

macca I hope it doesn't come to that

hairy I love exercising on fast days, but I didn't seriously start until about a month ago. I was hideously unfit though and wanted to be sure I was OK with fasting first.

poor ds has a viral infection, conjunctivitis and tonsillitis at mo. his sleeping pattern is all over the place so good knows when I'll get on my cross trainer today. and its a new one, the old one having only lasted another session after dhs repair. smile

need to shift this extra 2lb too.

somewherebecomingrain Thu 29-Aug-13 08:17:52

Hey macca redundancy is not as bad as it seems - everyone I know who has been through it - and there are a LOT - have ended up in a better place. but it's not nice at first - virtual handholding.

Fasting today.

Claricemis Thu 29-Aug-13 08:48:41

eat day today for me. I'm celebrating my weightloss of almost 2 kilos (!!!) the first week by having an omelette and a small piece of caramel. Don't think I'll be able to have much lunch today.

It's so nice to see how well everyone is doing!

ihavenonameonhere Thu 29-Aug-13 08:58:29

Right after the disaster of a first day I have done 2 more since then, had a headache after the 3rd one but got through it.

Now on 4th one, not totally always sticking to 500 - happy if its 600 as want to ease myself in and do this long term

NotAsTired Thu 29-Aug-13 09:56:49

So another lb gone, my last lb, which means I am at my goal weight of 8 stones. grin

I have lost 12lbs in total since 1 June, including a break whilst away on holiday. I am VERY pleased.

But, but, but...

My BMI is 23.41, which is okay, but as an Asian it ideally needs to be under 23. And I am still one inch off for waist/height ratio. As I am primarily doing this for health reasons (lots of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure in my family), I've decided that I need to carry on.

So, I am going to lose on a lb by lb basis until I get to BMI of around 22 and my waist/height ratio is on the right side of the ratio.

wrigglebum Thu 29-Aug-13 09:57:23

Argh- wanted to fast today but been up with ds2 since 4.30 (after a late night last night as was babysitting). Giving up breastfeeding and he is not happy about it! Had got down to just feeding after 4am until I was ready to get up smile, but he wasn't settling well anymore so it's time to end it. He's 16mo so we've had a good run of it, but I'm expecting a few more nights with not too much sleep. I'll try and get an early night tonight.

So my breakfast this morning was a mini crunchie bar and a marshmallow blush. Oh well, if I can't manage a fast day I might just have a couple of circa 1000 cal days. I'm in this for the long haul so not too desperate for the last half stone to (hopefully) come off.

MrsFlorrick Thu 29-Aug-13 11:08:14

Well done. Notastired.

Wriggle. Ugh. That sound tiring. My two played up the night before and I struggled through yesterday on 3 hours of broken sleep.

Better today and heading off to seaside. Been delayed by bad behaviour from DD. refused to go until she had apologised and picked up. Argh. Toddlers and pre schoolers. I feel bad because DD starts reception in less than a week and then that's my special girl gone. At the same time I can't wait. And in two years time it's DSs turn and perhaps I may have a small piece of my life back.

Well done notastired you've done really well! With that BMI you must be quite petite? Although having finally caught up with 'The men who made us thin' I'm wondering if there's any science behind BMI anyway as the boundaries seem a bit random!

mrsF mine are teens, there are different issues now but it doesn't get any easier!

eatriskier Thu 29-Aug-13 12:04:49

Well done notas, onwards and downwards grin

postman I caught up with that over the weekend and was thinking the same thing. My BMI is just over 26 now, so maybe I'm not really that bad? I certainly don't feel fat anymore, though there is definitely flab to get rid of so maybe...

ceebeegeebies Thu 29-Aug-13 13:53:33

Hola from Spain smile 5 days into my holiday and having a good time.

However did have a massive wake up call on the first day when i put my swimming cossy on and realised that i looked fat and horrible sad i hadnt realised i looked that bad at home as i can conceal a lot in my clothes and actually look ok a lot of the time.

anyway the upshot is that i think this is the impetus i need to do this diet properly when i get home. i plan to follow talkinpeace's plan to the letter and shift a stone bt christmas and another stone by my 40th (gulp) in April. anything more will be a bonus grin

JB30 Thu 29-Aug-13 15:57:21

Halfway through my FD here, broke my fast about 40 mins ago. Meant to be having lovely day off with kids but dh had to go to work and kids are being witchy, can't be doing with them. Seriously tempted to hide away and have a wee nap til dinner time as v tired. On the plus side, met someone I haven't seen in a couple of years and she said I looked like I'd lost loads of weight, and I looked toned! Nearly asked her to repeat it so I could tape/replay in times of weakness grin
It's right about here I usually regress, never make it under the 11.7/8 stone. No more!
I cannot imagine ever being 8 stone anything NotAsTired - You've done brilliant! I can't wait to have a normal bmi, one of dreams, about 17 pounds to go. Be a lovely Xmas present to myself

Dotty342kids Thu 29-Aug-13 16:41:38

Well done notastired, that's brilliant grin

Fasted on Sat and Tues this week. Could really do with bunging another one in before Monday but am away to Harry Potter studios tomorrow so that's hotel etc. Might try a mini fast and just have hotel dinner in the evening....

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 29-Aug-13 16:55:03

TOTM here and the munchies have started. I cannot believe how many calories are in cheesecake! Still, I will allow myself to go over tdee today as I have full body pms right now and cakes are the only cure!

Hairy exercising on a fd morning is good. Exercising the morning after a fd is, for me, very tiring.

Toofattooold Thu 29-Aug-13 17:09:33

I agree with you hellesbelles. I fasted yesterday and today I ran 5k in the gym. Absolutely shattered all afternoon. Already looking forward to bedtime.

Talkinpeace Thu 29-Aug-13 18:18:49

The science of BMI

Yes, I've seen the Jacques Peretti thing and he is rather disingenuous on a couple of issues

- the "Minnesota Experiment" that proves starvation mode does nothing of the sort : if you keep people under a football stadium for six months and treat them like prisoners, you are not replicating natural calorie restriction

- the "Man from MetLife" declaring that half of all people were above average weight : well, no shit sherlock, statistically they ARE

BUT
What has changed since then is that average weights have climbed and climbed.
More and more people are now at the upper upper ends of the weight scale that the Met life man was working with.

A raised BMI in itself is not unhealthy (up to around 29) as some people are naturally heavy.
But those people should be around 1 in 20 of the population, not 1 in 3
A raised BMI is an indicator of later chronic health problems
hence why skinny people do tend to live longer.

The guidance that all Asian people should aim for a BMI of under 23 is based on rock solid recent epidemiological research.
Ignore it at the peril of your health when you get older.

I've just spent 2 weeks in France.
Not all French people are skinny (we were staying in a lovely but very working class campsite)
BUT
Far far more English people are grossly overweight - it really struck all of us comparing UK and French Motorway services
and the French are not all covered in tattoos, but that's just my bugbear

Talkinpeace Thu 29-Aug-13 18:23:10

Hairy
I'm still in one of my four "stuff it weeks" but the next six weeks will be "fast strictly" weeks - and I go to the gym for a couple of hours every morning before eating and twice a week while at the tail end of a fast. You'll be fine.
And exercise on an empty stomach rips through visceral fat at a rate of knots.

Target is 8st 7 by 18th September. Tough but achievable. No idea what I weigh at the moment though!

eatriskier Thu 29-Aug-13 19:40:37

somebody please slap me and tell me I don't need wine and cake please?

spudmasher Thu 29-Aug-13 20:06:05

You don't need wine and cake! make sure you're not watching Masterchef!!!

Tell me ladies....I started- today was my second go, but I just can't do without something first thing. Today I had half a grapefruit and a boiled egg. A little tuna and a spoonful of three bean salad on a green salad at lunchtime and a small bowl of lentils and veg cooked with curry spices and half a tin on tomatoes.
I'm not doing it right till I can skip breakfast am I?

notastired fantastic work on reaching goal!
And it IS work so be damn proud. smile

DS is fine after his accident and so far has not noticed the stitches... We have hidden all mirrors!

Nearly finished Shred l3 but going to keep going another week til it's easy then start 6 week 6 pack as the tum remains wobbly...

Not fasted this week but can probay squeeze one in tomorrow and been eating low carb and low cal - lots of green veg, chicken, shrimp...dropped 2lb after stall of nearly 3 weeks yay!

JB30 Thu 29-Aug-13 20:52:31

No cake or wine Eat - nearly at the weekend, save yourself for something nice then.
Finishing my fast at about 580, I'm happy enough with that. WI tomorrow, hoping for a drop. Will do a 16:8 as I've found once I eat brekkie, I'm starved all morning! Think I'll save myself for a lovely sambo for lunch, yummy, sweet dreams

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 29-Aug-13 21:10:53

spudmasher MM has breakfast and dinner. The fast element of 5:2 is the dramatically reduced calories. Some people like to include a long no-solids fast and this is when you will hear about 16:8. If I am at home, I do 16:8. If I am at work, I have a boiled egg for breakfast. You need to find the way that suits you. Becaise i usually fast on weekdays, I usually have 3 meals on fd's and I have still lost weight.

Talkinpeace Thu 29-Aug-13 21:54:44

spudmasher
my yoga teacher skips supper - as that fits with her teaching schedule - so she has breakfast, then liquid lunch then no supper then breakfast

you have to do what works for you

EatRiskier
YOU DO NOT NEED CAKE OR WINE

spudmasher Thu 29-Aug-13 21:56:52

Thank you ladies. Good to know my first two fast days this week were not wasted! Whilst MN has been temperamental this evening, I went off and did some research...should have done that before I started really!

eatriskier Thu 29-Aug-13 22:06:59

Thanks for the slaps
Turns out it was a good thing. Have felt ill since about 5 mins after posting, first with cold symptoms then my tummy turned whilst I was having lemsip. Seems ds has gone for the getting over a virus by giving it to someone else method
Probably explains why I've gone downhill while he perked up no end this evening
NSd tomorrow grin

thinkcan Thu 29-Aug-13 23:52:35

Ugh! Despite 1 fast day, 3 weights sessions at the gym, two hiking sessions of 6 km across hilly terrain and 2 bike rides of 14 km up and down hilly roads in the last week, I am still not able to shift any of my holiday weight gain. The weight comes right back the minute I have a normal eating day. Somebody tell me what I am doing wrong!

hopefulgum Fri 30-Aug-13 00:23:48

Ugh! I didn't manage my second fast day this week (Thursday) because my DS is sick, and I was feeling so tired and poorly on Wednesday that I decided I'd skip the fast on Thursday and catch up on Saturday (I have to go out to dinner for a friend's birthday tonight). So I spent fast day on the couch with DS. I also missed my swim on Weds night, which feels weird.

I have to say I have really missed the fast day and just don't feel "right" today. And have eaten a far too large breakfast. So I will be having soup only for lunch, then wait for the dinner. It is at a french restuarant, so I'll try my damnedest not to eat a dessert.

I am really glad I missed (not that I skipped it, that I missed it) the fast day - I think that bodes well for it being a long term thing. I do love that I don't have to beat myself up, rather just know that I can fast on a different day.grin

hopefulgum Fri 30-Aug-13 00:24:39

Oh my goodness, thinkcan, I crossed post, I promise I didn't copy your "ugh!" smile

thinkcan Fri 30-Aug-13 01:07:16

hopeful Only too happy someone else is feeling the same way I do!

To fast or not to fast today? I have a hiking session at 3pm and am concerned I may bonk out if I do not have enough to eat as that happened to me on Monday's hike. Made the mistake on Monday of having a carb heavy vegetarian (sweet potatoes and roasted peppers) sandwich for lunch and sugar levels plummeted during the hike. Got all weak and wobbly. I think I have to shift fasting days to Tuedays and Thursdays if I want to continue with my sessions with the hiking group on Mondays and Fridays. Problem is Tuesdays and Thursdays are my cycling days. How do those of you who exercise quite a bit fit in your fast days with your exercise routines?

MissStrawberry Fri 30-Aug-13 07:26:21

Just saying hello as I have been rubbish at keeping up and posting.

Trying to have a FD today.

Claricemis Fri 30-Aug-13 08:25:04

I need some backup today. It's a fast day and I'm feeling really pressured, which is launching a lot of hungerfeelings and just plain "I want food"-feelings. Someone tell me I can do it, please.

spudmasher Fri 30-Aug-13 08:28:01

You CAN do it though......
Get busy and the day will fly. Good luck and hang on in there...think about how rubbish you'll feel about it if you cave in.....that's a worse feeling than being a bit hungry.

Claricemis Fri 30-Aug-13 08:29:51

Yes, spudmaster. You're right. Thanks. I'll do something.

spudmasher Fri 30-Aug-13 08:30:43

That's the spirit! Let us know how your day goes.

eatriskier Fri 30-Aug-13 09:08:39

well the truck well and truly hit me last night. 2 ill/recovering dcs with no planned outlet today and tbh, I don't feel like going out. thankfully not a fast day for me. shall me using calories on lemsip instead (not that there's a consensus on that so I'm going for g of sugar per sachet and counting that). decided to have cake for brekkie blush but now I don't want my actual brekkie so looks like I've done a straight calorie swap. I'm ill I suppose, I can do these things wink

good luck all fasters today

Morning everyone.
Just reporting that I am one of the lucky ones after all! Returned from my holiday 5 lbs heavier on Monday mrning. Have fasted on tues/ Thursday , weighed in today and the 5 lbs has gone! Wow that has impressed me because previous holiday weight gains always take at least a month to shift from my before 5:2 days.
This WOE is fab...still have about 7 lbs to lose to be my happy weight and then I may even think about a bit lower ! have a good w/e all.
Off out for a bit of frantic back to school shopping now!

eatriskier Fri 30-Aug-13 09:19:33

Clarice you can do it

hitc yay! I still haven't shifted my wedding weight but I suspect I needs to ahem deblock. hoping after Mondays fast ill be back where I was last Tues.

MissStrawberry Fri 30-Aug-13 09:23:33

Can I just ask, do you count a week Monday to Sunday? I fasted Thursday last week and Monday this week so unsure if I need to fast again this week as it is two if I count Thursday-Wednesday. I plan to count Monday to Sunday from now on - roast lunch on a Sunday and then fast Mon and Thursday but I planned to fast today and wondered if that was right confused.

yecartmannew Fri 30-Aug-13 09:24:06

Not diet related but...

to those of you with anklebiters small children to look after when you are feeling really ill, when mine were little I could sometimes get away with playing hospitals or hotels with them for most of a day (where you are the patient or guest)

This involves them running around after you for a change! You may have to let them poke you with a stethascope or wrap bandages (can use loo roll) around you, but at least it keeps them entertained and you can have a good lie down on the sofa!

MissStrawberry Fri 30-Aug-13 09:32:58

I wish I had thought of that when mine were small, yecartmannew. Brilliant idea!

yecartmannew Fri 30-Aug-13 09:51:35

thanks

There is a supprising amount of things they can do, use a cardboard box to x ray you with and then draw the x ray to show you....make an obs chart and fill it in....... bring you drinks and snacks (if required) or for hotels make a menu (some magazine pictures of food to cut and stick if they are too young to write one).... housekeeping duties with a duster and a dustpan and brush......

and best of all it isn't lazy parenting (promise) its all good educational stuff!!!!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 30-Aug-13 10:22:21

MissS you fast two of seven. I can't imagine it matters which day of the week you start though monday makes sense if that is the first day of your week normally. I would personally say, that you have fasted once this week.

ThinkCan you're weighing yourself. If you are doing muscle building exercise - like weights, hillwalking and hill-biking - your weight is largely irrelevant as you fat-loss will be counteracted by muscle-gain. Get out a tape measure. Choose three points of your body, and track the measurements of those. Or track how your jeans fit. Or your shoe size. Or your bra back size.

somewherebecomingrain Fri 30-Aug-13 11:35:43

Love the hotel/hospital idea - filing for later -

headintheclouds I agree it's a Christmas miracle the way the holiday weight melts off. Well done you.

hopefulgum it is amazing totally changes your relationship to food. Years ago I had a hippy friend who fasted and she'd eat humus avocado and bean sprouts for lunch and complain how filling it was. I was baffled and envious - she was v slim. Anyway suddenly avo humus and bean sprouts sounds AMAZING and like the fillingest most satisfying meal ever.

I was eating a read meal and ready soup on my fd on the principle that it was too stressful to cook - was boring you all with it iirc.

Anyway that made me feel v lethargic. Started craving something more healthy. Have gone to one meal of stir fry of brown rice, chicken, and piles of fresh veg. Feel so much better.

MissStrawberry Fri 30-Aug-13 11:49:09

Thanks Helles. I will carry on fasting though I am not sure about dinner as I am doing sweet and sour chicken and rice but maybe I can have it but a smaller portion?

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 30-Aug-13 12:29:14

Or just have the sweet and sour chicken and extra veg. I tend to ditch carbs on fd's because I seem to feel hungrier after having them.

JB30 Fri 30-Aug-13 13:20:50

MissS that's what I do on fd's, smaller portion of whatever everyone else is having. If its homemade s&s, should be easy enough to calculate, ok, you can't have much rice - not a problem for me as a couple of spoons do me.
Just broke my fast with McD's - first time in ages! I was starved but shared a chips instead of having a full portion. Just wouldn't waste my precious Friday wine cals on crappy fries (had to have a few thoughwink)
Thai for dinner later, beansprouts instead of rice for me, yummy

yecartmannew Fri 30-Aug-13 13:27:08

Feel sick now after eating a box of salad from the local deli

Note to self: next time have a small

It has to be said though, prior to 5:2 i would have had that same thing as a side salad with a large slice of quiche!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 30-Aug-13 13:39:20

Just used half of today's fd calories on a plate of fruit and a small lump of cheese. It was deliscious but I suspect it will be a struggle to wqit til evening for something else to eat!

MissStrawberry Fri 30-Aug-13 14:32:17

DH came home with a lovely box of chocolates!! I can have them tomorrow though <learnt that from you guyssmile>.

I confess it is Uncle Ben's Sweet and Sour sauce jar. Not bought in years, not sure kids have ever had it. I tipped in a punnet of button mushrooms and the chicken is thigh fillets. I am happy to have a smaller portion and just a soup spoonful of rice. I did crack half an hour ago and had a stick of celery but that doesn't count as apparently you burn more eating it than what is in it.

Lizzabadger Fri 30-Aug-13 16:04:14

MissS that 'cracked and had a stick of celery' is really making me laugh!!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 30-Aug-13 17:59:21

Oh my word! Ds is driving me insane eating lindor and, earlier, sausage rolls in front of me!

JB30 Fri 30-Aug-13 18:51:41

MissS super jealous - not about the celery lol! We passed by a stand selling chocs earlier, I thought dh might injure himself by sliding in my drool but no, nor did it occur to the useless lummox to buy me some. Of course I could have bought them myself, of course, but I wanted him to sad
Chocolate and flowers, things I live to be bought, looks like I better get my purse out! Mutters about useless unromantic sod of an irritating dh - are youse getting that he's irritating me a bit? Subtle aren't I.
Thai meal in, stuffed, enjoying a glass of wine

MissStrawberry Fri 30-Aug-13 19:04:14

Okay. Just had a massive bombshell. Do not want to fail on another FD, especially as I think I had a bit more rice than allowed. Do not let me eat the chocolate.

<awesome as on as well and still not mainlined chocolate>

<taking small victories where I can>

<cries>

Talkinpeace Fri 30-Aug-13 19:19:22

MissStrawberry
Let rip. Let off steam here. You'll feel better for shouting at us.
You'll feel worse if you fall back on comfort eating.
Be empowered.

And I know its cheesy but this vid is just great for anybody feeling down at the weekend
www.muzu.tv/sugababes/stronger-music-video/252046/
and this is JUST BECAUSE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsHk9WC7fnQ

MissStrawberry Fri 30-Aug-13 19:36:38

You are right. I will not eat any chocolate as I am not hungry and tomorrow I was going to try the one day a week of stuffing your face I have heard about grin.

I have been well and truly screwed over but Karma will happen and I can sleep at night knowing I didn't break the law, commit a crime, fuck up big style.

Talkinpeace Fri 30-Aug-13 19:38:36

Channel the wonderful Joy from Drop the Dead Donkey and her excellent little black book of revenge served straight from the freezer

Scoffing will make you feel bad.
Not scoffing will make you feel superior

MissStrawberry Fri 30-Aug-13 19:47:25

Nearly cracked. Not going to though. Never allow myself to eat after 8 anyway since doing this and I won't fail now. Have a really bad headache though sad.

Keep going miss s. have a good cry or punch done cushions maybe? Usually helps me...

flowers

Lizzabadger Fri 30-Aug-13 20:09:47

Don't crack, MissS!

Have another celery blow-out if you really must.

MissStrawberry Fri 30-Aug-13 20:12:29

Too wound up to cry but past that now tbh. Have a really bad headache. Is this the not eating headache I have read about as it started before the bombshell though that hasn't helped. Took 2 paracetomol a few minutes ago.

Lizzabadger Fri 30-Aug-13 20:16:13

I'm on a bit of a go-slow at the moment, with 2 x 750ish calorie "fasts".

I am hoping I maintain - I think I will.

The "problem" is I look OK in clothes now (but not naked) and fit back in my normal wardrobe so my motivation is flagging.

I might start again in earnest after my 45th in a few weeks time.

BsshBossh Fri 30-Aug-13 20:21:32

Hello all! Haven't been around much, haven't fasted for weeks, haven't been particularly careful watching my food, haven't had time to exercise much...

... Have gained 4 lbs. But this is nothing compared to the 70 lbs I've lost since last year so I'm not concerned - it'll come off when I'm focussed...

... Which will be from next week when school and work resume.

Back in the game from next Tuesday. Hurrah!

NotAsTired Fri 30-Aug-13 20:42:15

Welcome back BsshBossh, you are right, 4lb is nothing. Bring on Tuesday smile.

Thank you to everyone for your congratulations. postmanpatscat I am 4ft 10 ish. Bit of a short arse.

Totally agree with TIP that BMI for Asian is based on empirical evidence and one that I am not willing to ignore, especially given the family history. I am the only member in my family who does not take medication for high blood pressure, diabetes or high cholesterol.

So I still have a few lbs to shed.

Talkinpeace Fri 30-Aug-13 21:10:42

Lizza
be more amitious in your clothes .... I'm 48 and I get away with strappy tops, mini skirts hotpants and this summer a wetsuit ....

MrsMinkBernardLundy Fri 30-Aug-13 21:43:51

Hi. i have a question. i have been on low carb for about 18 months. i fast oney or two days per work depending whether i am maintaining or losing.
I have lost a couple of stone and pretty much kept it of.

but by about 3 o clock on most fast days i have a really sore headache.

Is it just me or for other people get this?
As i keep a low carb diet most of the time i think my insulin levels are pretty good and so i would think i switch to fat burning pretty easy. but still always the sore head. much worse during my period.

tomorrowweeat Fri 30-Aug-13 23:32:40

LOL- drama Queen :-D

thinkcan Fri 30-Aug-13 23:39:03

hellesbelles I never thought the muscle building would be reason enough for the scales not to budge downwards. It's true my smaller clothes are still fitting well and a couple of people at the gym commented yesterday that I have lost weight. Still I am 5 lbs more than I was a month ago and that can't be good right? I am now 7 lbs more than what I need to be for a BMI of 23. Just have to work out now how to fit in 2 days of 500 calories with 2 weekend non-dieting days and 4 days of biking and hiking during the week. I definitely can't diet on hiking days and may try dieting on cycling days since my weekday rides are usually less than an hour long - 45 min of uphill climb followed by 15 min of freewheeling it practically all the way home. If that still doesn't work, I may give up one hiking day as I think at this stage it is more important I stick to 2 days of fasting. What do you think?

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 30-Aug-13 23:47:06

ThinkCan weight is only one measure of health and fitness. If several other measures - how you feel, how your clothes fit, how far you can hike and cycle - are improving, then weight is irrelevant.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 30-Aug-13 23:52:44

ThinkCan if you are eating aroundbyour tdee on nfd's and doing 2 fd's then the only reason for weight gain can be muscle gain.

In short, I think you should not give up exercise in order to lose weight when you are clearly fit and slimming down.

The only thing I would suggest is getting in some yoga or similar to lengthen your muscles and loosen your joints. It won't affect your weight though.

MrsMinkBernardLundy Fri 30-Aug-13 23:59:43

thinkcan if you are worrying you cannot fit all those days of exercise and fasting into the week...then i often train on fast days. it is fine as long as you do not overdo it and preferably exercise quite early. then again i do get mental headaches hmm

I do a very similar cycle to yours from sounds of it and will do it fast days. it supposedly help the adaption.

Morning all smile

Welcome back bssh I agree 4lbs is neither here nor there.

missS hope all is ok, well done for staying strong.

thinkcan perhaps scale back one of your exercise sessions if fasting? I find first thing in the morning I can exercise as normal but I'll often flag later. Be guided by your body.

eatriskier Sat 31-Aug-13 08:06:24

anyone else feel out of whack with the bank hol? in the end I didn't really skip any fasts at all over my break, but didn't stick to 500 for one and had several well over Tdee days. got 2 successful fasts under my belt since but still not feeling back. wondering if its coz I did Tues/Thurs instead of Mon/Thurs. looking forward to next week

or maybe it's coz I feel like someone is holding my head underwater confused

Lizzabadger Sat 31-Aug-13 08:19:01

You are right TIP, thanks (though I'm not sure the world wants to see me in hot pants at any weight!)

Yes, me too, Eatriskier. I usually fast on Mondays which are a busy day at work. Switched to Tuesday this week which was much less successful.

Thinkcan - I certainly wouldn't do less exercise to lose weight. You want to lose fat, not weight per se, and exercise can only help with this (as well as having many other benefits). As others have said you may want to fit in some flexibility and strength training too/in place of some of the cardio.

thinkcan Sat 31-Aug-13 11:01:09

Lots of good advice. Thank you. In addition to my four days of hiking and biking, I also do 3 days of weights per week at the gym. That's why I am thinking of scaling back on my hiking and focussing on getting 2 fasting days a week - at least until I get my BMI down to 23. Good suggestion about the yoga/muscle lengthening exercises. And about fitting in the exercises early in the day. So far, I find that fasting during weight training days is not an issue, fasting on days when I bike in the morning is doable but fasting on hiking days is impossible as we hike in the late afternoons and the hikes always involve hill work and are at least 5 km long. I get very hungry on hiking days.

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sat 31-Aug-13 13:06:26

Hi all! Just checking in. No weight loss this week but I've found that I fit easily into a blouse I bought about 5 years ago that was on the right side even then (and then it didn't fit at all, as the weight piled on). So I guesstimate that I'm at my thinnest in a good 5 years at least. Talk about morale boosting! An a hot guy at work is flirting with me blush

Eatriskier - yes I was thrown off completely by the bank holiday - family festivities meant that I had a bit of a trough and then a couple of work things this week have also involved eating lovely good (though a lot less than I would have done in the past!).
So I'm trying to have a very good weekend, to get back on track.

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sat 31-Aug-13 13:07:12

*tight side - not right side !!

wrigglebum Sat 31-Aug-13 13:18:55

Great NSV Somewhere!

Well I haven't been too successful fasting this week- managed one fast day then lack of sleep got the better of me so I'm just skipping a few breakfasts and being sensible with the eating instead.

Well, my size 12s are getting a bit big now and I can get into a size 10 in Next and FatFace jeans without too much breathing in or muffin top. This morning I got a new low weight too- 9st13.8. So ridiculously just into the 9s but I'm happy with that smile.

Still shredding when I can- level 2 is hard. I was able to do the harder exercises on level 1 by the end of that, but no chance for level 2! Oh well, I'll do the beginner exercises on L2 and L3 this time then come back to it after a bit more exercise and aim for the harder ones.

Planning to go to a designer outlet place with a friend soon for a bit of a shop, she's dropped a couple of dress sizes too (Slimming World), so we'll both be trying to fill up the wardrobe with some new clothes for our slimmer figures.

MissStrawberry Sat 31-Aug-13 13:28:33

Hello

I have lost 2lbs having stayed the same for the last 2 weigh ins. Very happy.

Family life is pretty shit today so I don't want to eat anything.

Well done to everyone.

Lizzabadger Sat 31-Aug-13 13:43:22

Congratulations MissS, Somewhere and Bum.

Hope things improve for you soon MissS.

I think the stress of this week has worked because fasting has just not happened, another kg down so 87kg this morning shock grin

Lizzabadger Sat 31-Aug-13 14:56:28

Oh god. 2 panini, 2 brie on toast, 2 fromage frais and I am going out for posh dinner. I NEED TO STOP EATING!!

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sat 31-Aug-13 15:02:07

Thanks Wrigglebum and Lizza :-)

I've just started reading a book I think someone on this thread originally recommended - the Beck Diet Solution. I've never bought a diet book before but OMG it's amazing, I'm so impressed with it. It's not a diet as such, it's basically cognitive behaviour therapy applied to over-eating and really highlights all my self-sabotaging ways of thinking. I'd recommend it to anyone who feels their willpower is in new of a boost!

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sat 31-Aug-13 15:02:48

*need. Bloody iPhone typing skills!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 31-Aug-13 15:26:32

I was wondering what that book was like somewhere - time to head to the library.

Redoing yesterday's fd after ricotta, mars bar crispy cake and cider defeated me. Had a yum lunch of bean stew and cous-cous. Very nice smile

Seriously craving chocolate, cake, bread, etc as pms and period pains continue but this has been defeated thus far by reading 'March, women, march' by Lucinda Hawksley. A really well-written book covering a wide span of the history of the fight for votes for women - just in case anyone is looking for their next book, I heartily recommend it.

JB30 Sat 31-Aug-13 16:07:38

Down .8 of a pound - happy days!
Well done MissS, sorry to hear you're having a hard timesad, hope the situation improves for you real soon.
Macca, a kg is excellent! About 2.2 pounds I think? That's what I need to lose to pass the 1 stone loss mark. At my current rate, I'm probably looking at 2-3 weeks. Old me would have been killing myself to reach it in a week (and failing), these days I'm in no rush.
Steak and chips for dinner , slobber, couple if glasses of Pinot, happy days

Thank you jb, have just gone on the scales of terror at boots, and the good news is that my BMI has dropped to 33.9, which is still very obese but it was 36. My pre pregnancy bmi was 32 so a way to go but it feels achievable.

How's everyone else's weekend going?

NotAsTired Sat 31-Aug-13 16:57:27

Congratulations MissS, JB, Somewhere and Wriggle.

Am at "in-laws" this weekend. Eating all over the place, routine and schedules completely out the window. Ah well, never mind. smile

NotAsTired Sat 31-Aug-13 16:58:16

Oh well done, Macca*. Good news.

Does anyone else have to remember to eat on NFDs? Really had to force myself to eat lunch, and have probably only consumed 450cals today! Will have a glass of wine and a proper dinner tonight I promise.

MissStrawberry Sat 31-Aug-13 17:10:33

I do Macca. I can easily get to late morning, early afternoon without eating and nor do I want too so it isn't that I am depriving myself.

JB30 Sat 31-Aug-13 17:29:01

The only thing I can't forget us food! I could do with a dose of the forgetfulness.
I am really struggling on nfds with eating breakfast, I want to on 1 level but on another it just opens me up to constant hunger! Last 3 weeks, I've eaten breakfast about once a week, I don't on fd's ever so thats 2 days, but on 3 of my nfds I don't either. I seem to be on 16:8 constantly, not sure if its good or bad? My calorie deficit over last 2 weeks is 6000 over the 2, although not sure with mfp if its counting my exercise too?
Anyone else like this?

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sat 31-Aug-13 19:00:48

Yeah I've found it's a lot easier to just skip breakfast as a matter of course. I don't miss it (not hungry in mornings) and it gives me more leeway with the rest of my day. I remember I used to do this at school as a teenager and into my 20s, the point I started eating breakfast is also when I started putting on weight. Go figure wink

(I know it doesn't work for everyone btw - some people really need to eat brekkie and that's fine too. The thing I like about this WOE is that you can adapt it to fit round what suits yourself).

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sat 31-Aug-13 19:16:57

Oh also I've been meaning to say for a while, I find that when I really want a snack (yes I KNOW ...), home-popped popcorn with just a bit of salt on it is absolutely the most calorie-efficient way of getting that snacking hit. I recommend it ... smile

eatriskier Sat 31-Aug-13 20:14:11

Well done on all the SVs and NSVs today.

I've decided to hit the world of fitbit. Very interesting so far. Seems to think I've overeaten today, but then it thinks I just existed without doing anything until about 4pm wink. I feel all modern.

BsshBossh Sat 31-Aug-13 20:15:22

Macca no I don't have a problem with forgetting to eat; I'm a foodie who loves thinking about what to eat at my next meal. But my appetite has diminished as the stones have dropped so I am just eating far smaller portions. But I generally always remember to eat smile

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 31-Aug-13 20:35:25

Another horrendously splurgy day thanks to the worst pms and period pains I've had in 20 years. Is this how the menopause starts with the same hormonal suffering as it all started?

MissStrawberry Sat 31-Aug-13 21:03:32

Today I have had a stuff my face evening. I don't feel guilty and I don't hate myself shock. That's a first.

MissStrawberry Sat 31-Aug-13 21:04:47

I don't know Helles but my TOTM is much worse than it used to be and I am wondering if it is my age hmm.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 31-Aug-13 21:52:48

I'm 35 MissS

MissStrawberry Sat 31-Aug-13 22:00:03

Much younger than me then.

mummyof2girlsx Sat 31-Aug-13 22:16:05

don't post here very often but I have been following this WOL since October, so coming up to 1 year! Lost about 21 lbs in total. I am just wondering if anyone else has the odd binge day/night? I am having a hungry day and can't seem to stop eating!

Talkinpeace Sat 31-Aug-13 22:19:43

Mummyof2
21lbs is excellent
yup. the odd "stuff it, cheese beckons" day is perfectly normal.

mummyof2girlsx Sat 31-Aug-13 22:29:02

TIP thank you that makes me better! I have had cider and chocolate and crisps blush was very yummy though grin. Doesn't happen too often so will not beat myself up too much.
One more question, can anyone recommend a good yoga DVD? I am a gym bunny and do lots of aerobic/interval training but would like to try something different :-)

Well done wriggle and mummyof2

eatriskier I lurve my Fitbit smile

SchrodingersFanny Sat 31-Aug-13 22:50:21

I'm thinking of starting this. I've got the book, read some and looked at website. I'm 2 stone overweight since having dd a year ago. I'm doing slimming world, which has worked in past, but it doesn't seem to be happening this time, losing 1lb a week average, and it seems so limiting and difficult to fit with our lives.

Also I hate buying all the "low fat" stuff like Muller lights, I'm not convinced its that good for me, and would rather eat normal food. If that makes any sense.

I'm a bit scared of the fast days, but I suppose I don't know until I try!

mummyof2girlsx Sat 31-Aug-13 22:59:00

SchrodingersFanny go for it! I tried so many 'diets' without much success. I heard about 5:2 in october and I haven't looked back since. I rarely post here but I often read the threads and the support is fantastic. First fast day is hard but I promise it gets easier!

Talkinpeace Sat 31-Aug-13 23:00:58

Mummyof2
Yoga is much much better in a class with a teacher a so much is about posture and alignment that is really hard to work out as you cannot see your back ....

Schrodinger
You are so right that "low fat" is generally over processed junk and best avoided
Fasting is a lot easier than you might think .... skim through the tips and hints thread as several of us have posted timescales / weekly plans / ideas to help people take that first step into the unknown

mummyof2girlsx Sat 31-Aug-13 23:26:37

Will look into classes at the gym. I am so used to high intensity workouts I am looking forward to something a bit different.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sun 01-Sep-13 00:59:57

green tea
What state would I be in without my ten cups of decaf green tea every day? I am grossly overweight and have ibs!

MissStrawberry Sun 01-Sep-13 07:32:39

SF definitely try it. I was worried about the fast days too but tbh it is a lot easier than you think to do it when your head is in the right place. Make sure you drink plenty, keep busy and plan your evening meal and you will be fine. I have lost 8lbs since starting it and had struggled for months to lose anything.

wrigglebum Sun 01-Sep-13 07:43:06

SF- it's always worth a try as you have nothing to lose! There's no classes or special foods or supplements required for 5:2. I thought there was no way I could fast but I've found it ok, and it's definitely getting rid of the flab. Don't expect much more weight loss than an average 1-2lbs though, that is a healthy and sustainable amount. But some weeks it might be 5lbs gone and other weeks none at all.

SchrodingersFanny Sun 01-Sep-13 07:59:10

For some bizarre reason this thread doesn't show in the fasting section or threads I'm on. I keep having to go through the thread 25.

southeastdweller Sun 01-Sep-13 08:16:24

macca I've always wanted to be one of those people who could sometimes forget to eat but like Bssh I'm too interested in food for that ever to happen.

Schrod Please give this WOL a go. It's been truly life-changing for me and a lot of others here. Start tomorrow if possible and get the week off to a really good start.

I can't believe it's September already!

Well done to everyone who's lost this week.

SchrodingersFanny Sun 01-Sep-13 08:21:37

Back to work tomorrow- I'm a teacher! Think I might try a fast day. Might be hard with everyone eating around me!

eatriskier Sun 01-Sep-13 08:22:36

The last few days I've been pondering the effects of rapid weight loss on lifestyle change, and just why this woe (a self advertising slow weight loss method) seems to have captured so many people for a year life, and has a load of people maintaining happily.

The reason for pondering is that although I haven't done anything special, I have lost weight really rapidly. I know I'm slim now (well I'm very close to normal BMI and beginning to edge towards size 12s). But I still see myself as that obese lady. When I look at clothes my thought processes go 'oh, you can't wear that, you're fat'. I catch myself in the mirror and am shocked sometimes that it is me staring back. I am happy with the transformation, don't get me wrong, but it took me a long time to become that fat lady and I was a fat lady for most of my adult life (just varying degrees of fatness). Mentally I'm not adjusting anywhere near as rapidly as my body.

It makes me think that this is why so many people fall off the wagon after quick weight loss results and don't stick to plans. It was so easy to lose that weight so it doesn't matter if I gain a little right? And as I'm mentally still a fat person I'm not really going to notice those lbs creeping back on until I've done a lot of damage.

So whilst some of you are only seeing 1lb losses, hopefully that's some food for thought. It may not be shifting as quick as you like, but mentally you are shifting downwards in line with your weight. You are probably more likely to succeed because you will be more accepting of your new weight, and you're more likely to notice weight gain in yourself if you do go off plan.

Well, that's my very long tuppence worth

mummyof2girlsx Sun 01-Sep-13 08:24:30

southeastdweller I never forget to eat either, although I wish i did!

Over tdee yesterday and woke up hungry today due to a few ciders last night......oh well tomorrow is a new week!

SchrodingersFanny Sun 01-Sep-13 09:00:31

I know that slow is good. I think the problem with slow on sw, is that I am having to make massive adjustments to my normal life, constantly planning what I can eat, having to miss out on meal out/picnics etc. I feel like in dieting.

I do want to lose some weight sharpish. I have hardly any clothes that fit me. One pair of horrid jeans and 3 tops. But I refuse to buy more as we have very little money and I don't want to et comfortable in 'fat' clothes.

MrsFlorrick Sun 01-Sep-13 11:42:54

Hi everyone.

Been catching up on thread. You all seem to be doing well. smile

Ugh. I've had a shocker this weekend! I have eaten and eaten and eaten. Not good. About 3000 cals both Friday and Saturday. Argh

And I've put in 4 lbs!! How is that even possible??!! And how did all that food turn into fat so fast. Aaaaaahhhh.

I ate tons Friday night. Takeaway, chocs wine etc. very bad.

Saturday was even worse. Big breakfast, gourmet burger kitchen for lunch with DH and DC. Coffee and cake In the afternoon and dinner at Hakkasan in Mayfair with DH later. And I didn't hold back. It was all delicious but...,

All my good work undone by two measely days of scoffing. confused

So go on, be done with it and tell me off for being such an utterly stupid greedy piggy. sad

Not eaten today yet. I fear I may eat the content of the fridge once I start.

NotAsTired Sun 01-Sep-13 12:20:58

MrsF I am not going to tell you off for enjoying a food filled weekend. It sounds great and you have nothing to feel guilty about.

( FWIW, I think that feeling guilty when eating and enjoying food is a mindset we all need to get away from.)

Your 4lb, a lot of that is water retention and you will be surprised how quickly it falls off. Your 2 days of "scoffing" won't matter in the long term at all.

wildwater Sun 01-Sep-13 13:15:58

Empathy with all of the above. I am going well overall but had a big eating day yesterday, which was a bit of a shock. Too much fresh-baked bread, then nuts, later a duce de leche pastry, beer, wine, a big dinner. Easy to just forget and let go...however I do know what to do about it. Carry on carrying on. Don't beat myself up etc. Cheers smile

MrsFlorrick Sun 01-Sep-13 13:37:58

Notastired. Thanks thanks. You've made me feel better.

I have fasted today. I did Jillian Michaels 6 week 6 pack level 1 and broke my fast with a cup a soup. smile

Lets hope I can keep it up.

AngieM2 Sun 01-Sep-13 13:42:26

Devastated! Had lost 12lb, clothes hanging off me and was feeling great but after 2 weeks off, eating and drinking loads and no real excercise....I've gained 6lb! Would jump off a cliff if there was one nearby. Please god let this 6lb come off quick? Starting back on it tomorrow.

Lizzabadger Sun 01-Sep-13 14:19:44

AngieM2. Do not jump off a cliff!!! Just get back on track tomorrow and it will be off no time (well a few weeks anyhow).

MrsF don't stress, best not to weigh yourself after a yummy few days, get a fast out of the way and then check how you're getting on!

Angie it will go, and if others' experiences are anything to go by, it will go quicker than you thought possible! Now step away from the edge...

eatriskier I've never been obese, or even technically overweight, yet I still know what you mean by altering your self-image. In my head I've lost the chubby bits and gone from a size 12 back to a 10. In reality, an 8 is a better fit as long as there's room around the bust (flat chested but 34 bra!) and thanks to Next's vanity sizing, I can fit a 6 in there in some styles. I still don't look in the mirror and see what other people see.

Good luck to all the other teachers and term time workers getting back to the grindstone tomorrow smile Quite likely you've been into school half a dozen times over the holidays, if I'm anything to go by.

SchrodingersFanny Sun 01-Sep-13 15:52:14

Bought a recipe book today. Not the official one as although it all looked lovely, it also looked faffy!

Also today I've only had 500 calories so far and it hasn't been hard at all.

southeastdweller Sun 01-Sep-13 16:25:42

SchrodingersFanny This WOL is so adaptable and saves you lots of money so with that and your last comment I think you're going to take to this like a duck to water.

Slightly piggy lunch today in Brick Lane, along with what looked like half of London - cheese bagel and a chocolate brownie. Off to the gym now to burn off what I can!

Murtette Sun 01-Sep-13 19:50:55

I'm planning on starting this next week. I've done calorie counting for the past 12mths and have lost 2 stone but only 7lbs of that has been this year and its been very slow and I'm now bored. I've read loads of the threads on here and understand the fast days. Do I have to eat to my TDEE on my non-fast days? I was quite surprised that that came out as 2012 cals per day (5'4"; 11st2; zumba 2x a week; shred 4x a week (or more); running around after toddlers other than the three days I'm at work). Is that too many or is that about right?

JB30 Sun 01-Sep-13 20:02:04

I'm telling you what I'm saving money on, slimming magazines! Every month I'd buy ww mag religiously, then starting buying sw as well - since I started this WOL in May, haven't bought either! Nor do I pick up other mags with their 2 week diets or other such nonsense.
Silly thing I know but for me it's like the penny dropped about how to shift the weight, no fads (despite some people's opinions on it!)

Talkinpeace Sun 01-Sep-13 20:27:28

murette
nope, 2012 sounds quite likely - fun isn't it!

jb30
add up all the money you save over a year and plan something REALLY fun with it !

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sun 01-Sep-13 21:31:55

Somehow, despite managing only one fast and eating over tdee on four days, I have scraped in just below tdee as an aversge fir the week. TMI ahead: hope my period starts because the build up has bern horrendous. My hormones are seriously hyped up this month and I am sick of eating but I have a huge gaping carbohydrate-shaped hole where my womb normally sits.

Sorry B&W and other non-menstruaters but I am sick as a chip.

MrsFlorrick Sun 01-Sep-13 21:52:00

Postmanpatscat. You're probably right about that!

Never mind. I will work at it this week.

I am going to have a quick moan now:
I feel like I have been on a diet for four years now. DD is 4 and I started after she was born (after gaining 6 stone thanks to GD). Because of the GD I had with her I had to have a low GI/low carb diet while I was pregnant with DS who is now two. And I have now been on a diet since he was born (tried WW, Jason Vale juice diet, Dukan Diet, very Low Carb and now IF).

I am so fucking bored with it all and being a fat failure. And STILL I can't get into my pre pregnancy clothes and people are STILL asking me when my baby is due. Argh.

Anyway moan over. Head down and back to diet.

DD starts reception this week. I shall be a little tearful. She seems so small still.

Talkinpeace Sun 01-Sep-13 22:06:19

MrsFlorrick
A diet is just the amount you eat. You have been on a 'restricted' diet. To be honest you always will be. Its called not overeating. THe trick is to find fun ways to eat that fit with the lighter you.
DD will love being at school and you'll love hearing about her days.

Breadandwine Sun 01-Sep-13 22:58:31

Don't mind me, HellesBelles!

I'm always puzzled when someone prefaces mentioning their periods with 'TMI'! confused

This is Mumsnet, after all! grin

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sun 01-Sep-13 23:51:55

I'll take you at your word and mention that I am onto night 6 of pms-related insomnia. So I'll be eating for energy tomorrow then...

hopefulgum Mon 02-Sep-13 00:02:40

Hellebelles, I sympathise. Same thing happening here for me. I skipped my 2nd fast day last Thursday, then I was going to do it on Saturday. The chocolate hazelnut torte at the cafe Saturday morning put paid to that. So I start afresh today, fully expecting AF today or tomorrow.

I guess this fast day will be a challenge. Particularly when AF is so unwelcome as I am ttc. I hear chocolate,cake and pasta calling my name...but I will hold tight, I don't like this bloated feeling and at least fasting makes me feel "empty" and slimmer, even if I am not grin

I think we may be saving a tiny bit of money on food. I still have four hungry kids to feed, but with DH(mostly) and I eating less twice a week, I have noticed we seem to have more food in the fridge for longer.

MrsFlorrick, I hear you! I have tried them all. WW, soup diet, low carb,paleo, whole30, Dukan (for about two days, that was long enough) and now IF. Along the way I have had babies, and after each one have probably added an extra 4 kilos that I couldn't shift. Hence being almost 20 kilos heavier now that when I had my first baby 23 years ago.angry

I really am hoping IF will help me find my way back to my old body, or to an even better new model hmm At least the IF is supposed to make me healthier and live longer.

I wonder if it has made any difference to my immunity? Over the last 5-6 weeks almost everyone in my family has had an awful headcold, but I haven't, which really surprises me after wiping DS's nose a gazillion times! Maybe giving my body the chance to go into "healing" mode has made a difference? DH has been IF-ing too, but not as much as me, he seems to only manage it 1 day a week, and he was struck by the cold. Perhaps I have just been lucky, or maybe it will catch up with me? I hope not.

thinkcan Mon 02-Sep-13 00:08:24

Managed to stick to my fast yesterday despite going out for a 24.5km on and off road bike ride in the morning. Hardly felt hungry at all but was mindful to drink heaps of water as I remember reading (here?) that people often eat when they are thirsty rather than hungry.

Breadandwine Mon 02-Sep-13 00:11:22

hopefulgum I've had two threatened colds in the past 12 months. I get all the symptoms that tell me I'm about to come down with a cold - then, nothing!

I generally get 3 or 4 colds a year, so I'm putting it down to IF! smile

wrigglebum Mon 02-Sep-13 07:07:41

Excellent NSV yesterday- went to a children's party yesterday and all the mums I hadn't seen for a while were saying how great I was looking and asking how I've done it. Normally when I mention 5:2 people are a bit freaked out or dismissive but they were all really positive and one was quizzing me about specifics as she wants to lose some weight and hasn't been successful so far.

Fast day today but I think I'll struggle as we're still on the 5am wake ups sad. He does lie in bed and go back to sleep by 6 but then awake again at 6.30. Think I'll just head over to the sleep topic...

eatriskier Mon 02-Sep-13 07:24:04

awful nights sleep last night. cold is finally going but has left a loose cough in its wake. immunity hasn't been helped here but then I'm in a low phase of an auto immune disorder that fasting has really improved so maybe asking for better immunity in low phases is a bit like asking for more miracles!

meant to be fasting today and really want to. I want to get back to normal. however my head feels like its gone round the spin cycle in the washer so I'll see how far I get.

good luck all fasters today.

Dotty342kids Mon 02-Sep-13 08:18:07

Good morning all!
hitc great to hear about your post holiday weight experience, was same for me earlier this year when we went to Morocco
BssBossh, welcome back!

So, a few completely manic days here of going to Harry Potter Studios (fab, you must go if you like the books / films!) and helping my mum to move from 100 miles away, to a ten minute walk away, I've been a bit all over the place meals wise.
However, normal week this week with fasting today and Thursday and back to my zumba classes today. Cannot bloomin' wait grin

Catch up with all you Monday fasters later on today, and welcome to all newbies!

Ooh, been meaning to ask - what do you say when people say you're "on the 5:2 diet"? I've had a few friends / friends of friends say "oh, you're on 5:2 aren't you" and I want to explain that it's not a diet, it's a way of eating and I don't really aim to come "off" it in the way that you would any other "diet" but can't find a way of saying it which doesn't sound really up my own backside grin

alwaysanauntie Mon 02-Sep-13 08:46:14

Morning all, still haven't caught up since getting back from hols last week (though did see eatriskier got married - congratulations! You kept that quiet!) but had to come on and declare....

I'm in the 9s!!!!!!!!!! Only by 0.1 of a pound but given just back from hols and haven't fasted for 2 weeks, I'm super happy grin. Haven't been this light since late 2003/early 2004, and am now halfway to my goal. Woop-woop!!!!! smile

Dotty342kids Mon 02-Sep-13 08:56:32

Brilliant news alwaysanuantie and after a holiday too - amazing!

yecartmannew Mon 02-Sep-13 09:12:40

Wk 14

Same as week 13 sad

Bugger, I thought last week was too good to be true! Never mind it is TOTM.

Off on Wed for 3 weeks in the sun, hopefully will maintain.

MrsFlorrick Mon 02-Sep-13 09:43:35

Hopefulgum. Wow. 4 children. How do you find time for everything?!! I struggle with 2. Haha.

I stuck at low carb for a long time but it didn't work well for me. I lost about 1lbs a month. Bit too slow.

The most effective for me was Dukan. I did it for 4 months and lost 3 stone.

I wanted to try IF because I think it can work well modified once you are at your goal weight so you can keep the weight off. Plus the many reported health benefits are attractive. I'd probably lose the last stone faster on Dukan but I don't think it's particularly healthy long term.

Hence having a crack at IF. I'm still doing 16:8 rather than 5:2. The 500 cals is still scary.

Am trying to fast today. I am aiming for 500 but anything under 800 wi do just fine. grin

Will also be shredding shortly if the DC will stop squabbling for 20mins. hmm

DD will be the youngest in her year at school by quite some way. She is a July baby and the next youngest is March. The rest will all almost be 5 yo. I am really worried she won't do well and won't be able to keep up.

It will be the same when dS starts in 2 yeas time. Also a July baby. I didn't plan well did I!??

Hopefully my little DD will cope with school. Quite worried but I guess all parents are

MrsFlorrick Mon 02-Sep-13 09:51:26

Cartman. 3 weeks in the sun! Lucky you. Good timing just as the good weather is coming to an end here. smile

Itsaboatjack Mon 02-Sep-13 12:22:58

Hello again old friends.

I've not been great over the summer hols, I think I only managed about 2 proper fasts, I did a lot of 16:8ing but also too many splurges. But the new term starts this week, so it will be a fresh start for me.

So FD today and so far have managed a 6.5 mile run and not eaten anything yet. I am feeling hungry but I'm going back to basics and glugging down the fruit teas. Keeping myself busy at work now and then a prawn salad planned for dinner.

JB30 Mon 02-Sep-13 12:25:08

I know what you mean Wriggle about the question. I dislike the scepticism about it - I'm considering just saying eating less moving more, which is technically true!
On an FD and looking forward to just getting through it, bit tired. Will break my fast in about 40 mins, contemplating a walk before lunch, not sure if its cure me or kill me!

Dotty342kids Mon 02-Sep-13 13:04:44

Hey there itsaboat, nice to have you back! Well done on getting out for a run, very impressive!
I'm fasting today, done zumba class and am drinking loads of water / peeing constantly so all normal for a fast day grin

NotAsTired Mon 02-Sep-13 13:26:53

Welcome back ItsABoat. Are you a teacher/lecturer?

Fast day today for me. For the first time ever during a fast day, I have not been hungry, not even a rumble of the tummy. I'm now wondering if I ate in my sleep. grin

GoodtoBetter Mon 02-Sep-13 14:17:09

I did 5:2 earlier this year but fell off the wagon a while ago. I am starting again today in an attempt to shift some of the cornetto fuelled lard I have acquired this summer.

I weigh in today at 74kg

Itsaboatjack Mon 02-Sep-13 15:56:39

Hi Dotty, I've just been catching up a bit, good to see you're still going strong. I've been thinking of going to Harry Potter studios for a while, I'll have to plan it in soon.

NotAsTired, no not a teacher, I just meant new term for the kids grin, I've taken quite a bit of time off work over the hols though so my routine has been all over the place.

And congratulations Eagle, I hope you had a wonderful day.

So far its going well and I've not eaten anything yet, just had a splash of milk in my cup of tea.

Hope everyone's FDs are going well.

Talkinpeace Mon 02-Sep-13 16:24:49

Dotty I tell people that I now "do 5:2 intermittent fasting"

Talkinpeace Mon 02-Sep-13 16:31:56

LOSING WEIGHT WITH A DIET

Cogitating while cycling this morning on the issue.

As an adult a person has a pattern of eating (method z) that results in them being overweight (at size a)
They go on a diet restricting calories all the time (method y) until they get down to "target weight" (size b) and then they come "off the diet" and rapidly return eating as per method z and hence size a

But actually "diet" just means "what you eat"
So you need to eat the right amount to stay stable at size b for ever (method x).
By chance, if you are starting from size a eating method x you will lose weight.
But because method x is nice : healthy meals, no excessive restriction, it becomes the new normal and you stay at size b for the rest of your life

If you see what I mean

MrsFlorrick Mon 02-Sep-13 16:53:50

Talkingpeace. I see what you mean grin

Nice formula btw!

Your sciencey look at it has cheered me up.

Awful day here. DC whining screaming squabbling all day. Despite being taken to two different parks, bouncy castles, ice cream and treat in coffee shop!!! Argh. I actually wanted to commit willfull abandonment several times today either that or beg to be arrested to I could spend a night and day alone in the cells.

No one else's DC were whining and screaming in the park. Wtf is wrong with my two??!!

There seems to be a small ceasefire presently as they are too tired just now. Long may it last. Spoilt brats.

Doing well tho. Fasted for 16 hours and so far today I have had one of those Innocent pots (Tom Yum one 239cals) and one soya latte in coffee shop. Yay me!!

Back to cooking DC dinner....

Am having miso cod myself tonight with stir fry veg and Zero noodles. I worked it out to circa 250 cals. So that should see me just under 600 cals inc my soya latte. grin

afternoon!

first day back at work and first day back to fasting. have had nothing but black coffee and water all day and have been on the move all day up and down stairs and just done a 40min walk home in the baking sun. feeling quite fasted grin

hope i can make it through this evening. am absolutely shattered - work all day, walk home, deal with all the animals and have now collapsed on my bed for a bit till the next round of things to do. hopefully between busy-ness and knackered-ness i'll manage to stick to 500 cals this evening. plan is baked beans, chopped boiled egg and a sprinkle of cheese and that's that.

hope everyone fasting today is doing well.

eatriskier Mon 02-Sep-13 16:57:31

mrsF have you had zero noodles before? If not I can share some tips to make them more palatable (the packet instructions do not make them that nice imo). Good for you to getting down to under 600.

MrsFlorrick Mon 02-Sep-13 17:07:37

Eatriskier. I've had before but very happy for extra tips in case I've missed something. Thank you. smile

eatriskier Mon 02-Sep-13 17:23:37

The best way I found (from various googling) was to rinse in boiling water, then rinse even more in cold water, then dry fry for 2-3mins. The texture and taste are improved and its takes on the flavour of what they're with even better. That may be what you do already though!

MrsFlorrick Mon 02-Sep-13 18:10:01

Eatriskier. I do that. I also cook them in miso or sometimes with soy sauce.

I actually quite like them. There is a little crunch to them.

The pasta and rice versions are fine too however they don't actually work particularly well as they don't seem to absorb they way rice does. The crunch isn't pasta like iyswim. But as a noodle replacement they are actually really really good. Very similar to vermicelli noodles or glass noodles.

I do feel they work well to bulk out a meal. It feels more filling.

I also add them to soup for extra bulk without calories.

MissStrawberry Mon 02-Sep-13 18:25:14

Hello all. Very busy everyone!

I was at a friends for lunch and as calorie count is very low I am having salad with 4 olives and 4 pieces of salami for dinner. First time I have had 2 meals on a FD. Will that have any effect on anything confused?

SchrodingersFanny Mon 02-Sep-13 18:49:20

First day back at work today, so tired! Tomorrow is my first fast day, I'm a bit nervous! But I'm surprised how easy it is to stay under 2000 calories on a normal day. I'm using my fitness pal to log it.

fasted 20hrs then had a can of beans with lots of spices and some sweetcorn and a sprinkle of cheese added. beans were 280 so that should be under 500.

now struggling with mouth/head hunger so hoping for a very early night to see me through this first fast after a long break.

Lunchtime here. Giving DS his sweet potato fries and cheese and carrot and yogurt dip. It all looks yummy but I'm on FD and its ok so far. Hunger went after work out and feeling quite serene.

Itsaboatjack Mon 02-Sep-13 19:34:41

saf I'm also struggling with head hunger, it is most definitely worse in the evenings, I call it 'the witching hour', if I can resist/keep myself distracted for long enough then the craving will pass eventually.