The 5:2 Thread Number 24 - Summer's still here so skip the snack and share the meal!

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BetsyBell Mon 22-Jul-13 19:30:53

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through our very own fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

BetsyBell Mon 22-Jul-13 19:31:35

Hat tip to TiP for the thread title...

Good evening smile

NotAsTired Mon 22-Jul-13 19:42:48

Thanks, betsy

Dotty342kids Mon 22-Jul-13 19:47:19

Cheers Betsy thanks

jnq1 Mon 22-Jul-13 19:53:45

Thanks Betsy but whoops posted on the last thread just as this one was being setup - am I banished now?

HellesBelles396 Mon 22-Jul-13 19:54:35

Good title

Hello all brew have a hot drink to keep the hunger pangs at bay!

Thanks betsy

Fast day dinner wolfed down! Still have a few cals left. May treat myself to s diet lemonade. Yeah, I totally rock.

Talkinpeace Mon 22-Jul-13 20:13:24

Cheers Betsy.

The reasoning behing the title was that
if you snack you snack alone, if you are having a proper meal, you share it with those around you.
One leads to a healthy happy relationship with food
the other does not

and with the school holidays upon us, lazy meals with kids and families, even if different people are eating different things
make eating something to enjoy, not to feel guilty about.

BetsyBell Mon 22-Jul-13 20:14:15

eagleriderdark I treated myself to an apple! Woo!

Gosh I've been grouchy today - heat and fasting after a weekend of kids' party food and cake is not a great combo.

jnq1 Nah, I reckon you can probably stay wink

smellylittleorange I wish I wanted a hot drink, water just doesn't have the same satisfying kick [grumble]

BetsyBell Mon 22-Jul-13 20:16:35

Eating alone is depressing, sharing a meal is a party smile

It makes food taste better and life richer.

ELR Mon 22-Jul-13 20:23:30

My last two weeks of fast days have been 700 calorie ones, still keeping the 16/18 hour window before breaking the fast. Do you think that's really bad? Opinions please...
Thanks for thread betsy

Talkinpeace Mon 22-Jul-13 20:24:56

ELR
how can it not be OK?
you are consistently running a deficit twice a week AND giving your digestion a break ..... what you are doing is how we maintain grin

BetsyBell Mon 22-Jul-13 20:28:43

ELR Sounds fine, sometimes you've just got to make it work. I'm sure half my fasts end up over by hundred, two hundred calories. I tend to skip breakfast the next day if I go over to try and get a good number of true fasting hours in each side of eating to make up for it (I always do 2 meals on a fast day though).

angelabbie Mon 22-Jul-13 20:30:20

hi everyone had a good fast day today. Ate a cook minted lamb and pots at around 5 followed my a milky bar lolly which is so yummy at 96 cals and a bag of chocolate covered pretzels from M&S at 100cals. Very satisfied and full up. Cook has some great low cal meals if you do not fancy cooking yourself. It helps me know exactly how many cals and to prepare which means its a very relaxing fast.

Hope everyone else has a good day. BETSYB those pics are fab, you look tiny!!

My goals are to reach:
10.7 to start with
size 12

started at 12.2.5 and am now 11.4 at six weeks in.

Am slightly worried about holidays but determined not to mess it all up.

T
x

Londonmrss Mon 22-Jul-13 20:36:03

I have just weighed myself. I am 12 stone 2. I am 5 feet 4 and 28 years old.
The last time I weighed myself, I was 8 stone but I was really skinny and only 17 years old. I really have no idea what I should be so I guess I'll aim for 10 stone and see how I feel. I want to feel nice in size 12 clothes again. I was happy at a size 12 on my wedding day 2 years ago.
Feel quite depressed, but successfully completed my third fast day today.
Very self-indulgent post, sorry!
Well done Monday fasters.

Talkinpeace Mon 22-Jul-13 20:39:24

London
Welcome to the gang.
THe fasts will get easier and the weight will fall away and you will start to feel fab again soon.

ELR Mon 22-Jul-13 20:40:13

Thanks tip and betsy I've been fasting since mid feb, lost 15 lbs, a dress size and 3 bmi points, so I know it's ok just feel like its cheating!!
Think my thyroid is playing up again as have quite a few of the old symptoms back again.
Great pics by the way ladies will try o figure out how to up load some of my before and afters too.

Lizzabadger Mon 22-Jul-13 20:42:45

I want a Milky bar lolly now! Another fast day over. The weather is our ally.

I know its an FD for most but shouldn't we all be raising a wine to the new crown baby?

I just really wanted to use that crown

vjhist85 Mon 22-Jul-13 21:01:30

Hello all- newbie here. In my 2nd week having just finished my 3rd proper fast day (did an 18/6 on Friday as well) I've got 6st to lose I reckon. Haven't been finding it too difficult in terms of hunger -it's been interesting to discover that hunger is finite, in the sense that I'm hungry when I wake up on a fast day, the hunger comes and goes throughout the day but doesn't really get any worse. However, I didn't have my usual patience when it came to my grumpy 4mo dd today, in fact I've felt really grouchy all day. Please tell me this gets better as well?!?

Southeastdweller Mon 22-Jul-13 21:02:05

Thanking you Betsy.

chirpchirp Mon 22-Jul-13 21:06:47

Hi all, 5:2/4:3 newb here. Have been fasting mon/wed/fri and having weekends off for the last week and a bit. Was over on the 100lb to lose thread (75lbs to go) but appear to have been abandoned! Thought I would try this new way of life as I've always struggled with my weight and had food issues. Thought I would find it really hard but have actually enjoyed feeling a little hungry knowing I'm never more than a day away from getting a packet of crisps if I want!

My general FD comprises no breakfast, weight watchers tomato soup (79 cal) and a reasonable dinner of steamed fish and stir fried veggies or a light chicken salad, supplemented with aspartame free chewing gum and peppeemint tea if hunger pangs strike.

Have been trawling the boards and happy for any tips/encouragement.

HomeEcoGnomist Mon 22-Jul-13 21:10:04

Hello all

Did my third weigh in on Sat - down another 1lb (a wee bit of a come down after the previous week, but going in the right direction) and 1/2 inch off the waist
Stomach also noticeably flatter

And I bought a size 12 pair of shorts for holiday and managed to get into them without cutting myself in half, so it's all good

Nearly finished today's FD

All going to plan!

Emilythornesbff Mon 22-Jul-13 21:15:26

Hey.
Not posted for a while.but still 5:2 ing.
Finding it tougher in the heat tbh. And not managed a zero fast for a couple of weeks.

Help me stop snacking. FGS!
Anyone else actually find it easy to fast or at least eat more healthily in the winter? With soup and tea?

AwkwardSquad Mon 22-Jul-13 21:16:46

Here's a tip: don't use Palmers cocoa butter body lotion on a fast day. I smell of white chocolate - the good stuff, Green and Blacks or something. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! The temptation! I tried licking my arm but sadly I don't actually taste of the stuff.

BetsyBell Mon 22-Jul-13 21:25:51

emily I allow myself 1 snack time per non fast day - so I'm allowed to eat at 4pm.Giving myself permission stops me from going over board and sometimes I don't at all.

Welcome chirpchirp - sounds like this is definitely the right WOE for you, pleased to have you on board smile

HomeEcoGnomist Excellent set of scale and NSVs there!

And welcome vjhist smile I've been grumpy too today - I think it's the heat, lack of sleep etc, I don't usually feel quite so annoyed with everything! Just focus on how great you'll feel tomorrow with another successful fast day in hand.

Emilythornesbff Mon 22-Jul-13 21:26:11

grin

Talkinpeace Mon 22-Jul-13 21:27:19

vjhist allow yourself plenty of fluids and caffeine. But yes, kids are v v tired / tiring in this heat ...

chirpchirp
welcome. You are by no means alone with the scale of what you want to achieve
and the lovely thing about this WOE is that even those of us who have finished losing are eating the same as everybody else on fast days

Talkinpeace Mon 22-Jul-13 21:28:34

EmilyThorne

STOP SNACKING : save the calories for pleasant meal times instead ...

Emilythornesbff Mon 22-Jul-13 21:29:04

Thanks.

BetsyBell Mon 22-Jul-13 21:41:14

tip's way is better - but I lack the requisite self control. And my lunches are too small. [excuses] grin

monster54 Mon 22-Jul-13 21:44:00

Love reading everyone's targets!!!! So motivational!!!

What do people do to celebrate these or what are they planning on doing when they reach mini targets???

I'm seriously contem

peplum41 Mon 22-Jul-13 21:44:52

angelabbie your post reads as though you have your own cook, like you're royalty. Ok yah.

vavoom welcome to the fold. No doubt your oh is interested whatever you think you look like and I'm sure you don't.

betsy nice photos, great tummy shrinkage. Still don't know if you've dark blonde hair as I suspect. The heat and fasting are a moody mix for me. I owe someone a heartfelt apology for this mornings behaviour.

tortoise this isn't going to work. It's your winter its our summer, you're going to be moaning its hot when were freezing.

talkin great title, great tips.

dotty loved your river nsv.

monster54 Mon 22-Jul-13 21:45:35

Sorry posted too soon!!

Contemplating a whole drawer of new underwear!!! I have hundreds of bras all too big. Post pregnancy/pregnancy/post breast feeding!!! Urrrggghhhh!!!

I need some good fitting stuff!!!

JB30 Mon 22-Jul-13 21:48:42

Oh me oh my - on the tail end of my holiday and let's just say my tail end has somewhat expanded! Looking forward to getting back on track - its not been my worst holiday for food but being all inclusive meant probably more alcohol, hangs head in shame minor tipsyness
Absolutely bricking myself to stand on scales, thinking I might just use my clothes (as in the non elasticated non holiday wear) as a gauge of the damage I've done. Been checking in on other websites/weightloss threads I was on. Cannot believe I ever did the points thing, jeez it's a miserable way to live - really think this WOL/woe is the best thing I've ever done. Looking forward to Wednesday and a feeling of lightness soberness/carb'free'ness

thaliablogs Mon 22-Jul-13 21:53:41

Fast day here, went much better than last Friday although I could murder some mint choc chip ice cream right now. Did not feel particularly grumpy etc.. Had more calories at lunch than in the last 2 fasts, around 150 - lots of peppers and rocket with a slice of turkey and 3 quails eggs. Wonder if that just kept me going a bit better. Supper was cold roast chicken (100g) and a big watercress and spinach salad w radishes. Good but not that substantial. Everyone else had potato salad and roast veg as well!

So vjhirst you have my sympathy, I wanted to kill someone last Friday night. I don't know that it gets consistently easier but clearly each fast is different.

Southeastdweller Mon 22-Jul-13 21:56:27

One target (if target's the right word) for me is to continue a general sub-conscious disinterest in the crap I used to scoff all the time. I still enjoy eating it but not as often as I used to because I genuinely can't be bothered to eat the muffins or whatever.

Then, when I reach a period of few months of comfortable maintenance I'll be finally buying myself a MacBook after coveting one for years!

ceebeegeebies Mon 22-Jul-13 21:57:17

Just bookmarking smile

Book admin p,ace!

Breadandwine Tue 23-Jul-13 00:38:33

Thanks for the thread, BB!

I'm approaching the end of a liquid fasting day - 28 hours (and counting!) since I last ate, so far. Bedtime soon, then a light breakfast in the morning.

Unusually for me I felt a slight hunger pang around 8pm, but it soon went. What took a little longer to go was the feeling of grumpiness at around the same time. I can only assume it was because my body isn't yet attuned to this length of fast.

Not sure it will get used to it either, since the agreement I have with my wife, ATM, is that I'll only LF one week out of four.

Quite pleased with myself in that I've made two fruit loaves this evening (change of plan from the Chelseas I was all set to make) and I'm not in the slightest bit tempted!

Went a bit over my 500 yesterday (stoopit husband wanting cheesey crackers about 10 pm). BUT I did do a zumba class in the evening. I know I don't get to eat those extra calories, but it was the first time I'd tried something energetic on a fast day, and I found it totally doable.

Enjoy your long-awaited breakfast B&W!

london I'm also 5ft 4 and started 5:2 at 10st 1lb, have lost 25lbs and now maintaining easily. You might be surprised at what you can achieve. Wrist measurement gives an indication of body frame, there was a link a few threads back which used wrist size to estimate ideal weight range. Good luck!

Welcome chirp and vj

Fast day number 4 today, have woken up feeling starving so drinking green tea and hoping I can trick my body into thinking this is breakfast! grin

Dotty342kids Tue 23-Jul-13 08:22:16

Weighed in at 10st 7lbs after first fast of the week this morning. Quite pleased actually as I'm normally a bit "up" after a weekend! NFD today and out for lunch with a friend, yippee!

BsshBossh Tue 23-Jul-13 08:31:33

Thanks for new thread Betsy and you look fantastic!

No fasting this week for me as I'm on holiday but I'm generally skipping breakfast and not snacking much - this is less by design and more the fact that I simply can't physically eat as much as I used to. However, the main meals we are eating are quite calorific: fish & chips, pizza etc followed by ice cream so next week's fasts can't come soon enough. I won't bother weighing in this week - no point. I'll fast as usual next week then weigh in after those.

Right, back to visiting castles and strolling along the beach.

BetsyBell Tue 23-Jul-13 08:33:20

Breakfast was needed today after all - kept awake by thunder, then kids/ There's only so long I can run on empty and be exhausted!

Had my favourite power breakfast: 2 slices vogel toast with marmite, avocado, lemon juice, pepper and tomato. Feeling almost human now

BetsyBell Tue 23-Jul-13 08:35:05

Sounds nice Bssh smile (and thank you for nice words!)

Last day of school then not long till a proper holiday.

I. Can't. Wait.

BetsyBell Tue 23-Jul-13 08:41:29

Peplum Not a blonde and never have been grin

monster54 Tue 23-Jul-13 09:34:37

betsy same here...I like to try and manage 16:8 on NFD's...

But horrendous night up the majority with the thunder etc....

Breakfast bar with copious amounts of coffee is the order of the day.

I hate being tired it makes me uncontrollably comfort eat? Anyone else?

Any tips to keep in check today? I have a much smaller TDEE now!!!

And can anyone talk to me about shred? I'm thinking of getting the DVD but concious I've brought other DVD's and not used them!!!

Twinmama32 Tue 23-Jul-13 09:35:11

Hi all, I've not posted for awhile as I've been on a plateau for 8 weeks, but today I weighed myself after my first fast of the week and I've finally gotten down to 12stone! It may even be less (fingers crossed) as I'm due totm next week... I was stuck at 12.5 for ever (felt like) but I carried on and it's finally started moving again, well it actually started last week but I didn't believe it! So I have now lost exactly 2 stone in 5.5 months smile
Those on a plateau keep at it it will pay dividends in the end. I don't exercise at all by the way, I'm about to start as I suspect the weight will come off slower now....

My targets are now to reach 10 stone 7 (can't ever remember being that weight!) as I'm 5'7" so that should look about right. I hope by Xmas ill have achieved that, or by my centre parcs trip in October grin

Best of luck everyone x

Twinmama32 Tue 23-Jul-13 09:36:28

Meant to say I 16:8 everyday now as I prefer it, life feels simpler this way...

HellesBelles396 Tue 23-Jul-13 09:57:44

FD + shred today. Because it's the summer holidays, I haven't fully planned my meals yet though I have a vague idea what I'm having.

NotAsTired Tue 23-Jul-13 09:59:56

monster. I eat a lot when I'm tres tired too. I just try to eat healthy protein filled snacks (peanut butter on oatcakes), apple and lowest fat cream cheese, chickpeas dressed with lime, a little oil, chilli and onions, wasabi peas. That kind of thing.

Shred is on youtube so have a look before you buy.

BetsyBell Tue 23-Jul-13 10:18:35

Monster I think that's why I started the day with an avocado-based meal, stops me getting munchy. Eggs would be a good way to go too.

Actually, I think I've just realised that I no longer try and eat to compensate for lack of sleep - what a revelation! Caffeine does tend to feature heavily though...

HairyPotter Tue 23-Jul-13 10:41:16

4th FD yesterday went really well. I might be speaking too soon, but it wasn't a problem. My next fast will be Thursday which will be a work day for the first time since I started this. I am worried about that as I will really need to fast on one of my work days. We always have tins of sweets and packets of biscuits lying around. Gregg's next door isn't going to help either. Eeek! shock

I ended up weighing myself this morning and I have lost 1lb. I'm really happy with that as I'm starting to realise that this will be a slow steady progress.

I'm also shredding and doing C25K at the same time. My short term goal is to go from obese to overweight according to the bmi checker. blush I think I have 6lbs to go. After that, I would love to get to approx 12st for my holiday in October. (I'm 13st 4) The second goal might be a bit ambitious but no harm in trying.

Monster you can probably get The Shred for around a fiver. Although Jillian is evil and is clearly trying to kill me, it is pretty good. It's only 20 mins so its easy to fit it around my day. When I really can't be bothered, (most of the time) I remind myself it will be all over in less than half and hour and get on with it. It is on YouTube so you might have a look there first.

Good luck to anyone fasting today.

Congrats twinmama smile

monster I would rather run for an hour than Shred for 20 minutes! Those jumping jacks play havoc with my pelvic floor too blush

monster54 Tue 23-Jul-13 11:45:11

Thanks for the shred comments.

I know me too PPC just time is a serious issue for me.

I want something effective that I can do in a short space of time?

I possibly have half a chance of sticking with it!!!

I can just about stomach getting up half hour early to do a DVD and quick shower. I need to be mindful not to stretch myself too far.....

monster54 Tue 23-Jul-13 11:46:24

I love that thought as well hairypotter half hour and I'm done....

Not a great lover of exercise but would like to do some toning!

irinitnolnoc Tue 23-Jul-13 12:24:39

Hi Im just beginning today. My friend Emma has recommended it and im hoping it will really make a difference. Also hoping the support will help me through the tough times.
First fast day today.....

mttum Tue 23-Jul-13 12:26:13

monster, don't know if you saw my post on the previous thread re toning:

dotty, I bought a book off amazon (before I decided to boycott it) called "You are your own gym". Basically it's resistance exercises you do without needing any equipment, and there are varying levels of difficulty. It's by a chap called Mark Lauren, and he's also written a book "for women" (the blurb says) called "Body by You" . Don't know how it differs tbh. Great for toning, no fees for gym or lessons . There is also a YAYOG app on iTunes which is great. Not for everyone I accept, but I swear by it. I also walk a lot (well, three or four miles a day on average).

I'm not the author's agent, just happen to think its a great book and app.

Itsaboatjack Tue 23-Jul-13 12:33:51

Well I know weight can fluctuate a lot during the day but my body is ridiculous sometimes. I weighed first thing this morning (after wee) and was 10.8.4. I took kids to school, went for a 40 min run, came home, did a bit of office work, still not eaten but have had a pint of water and mug of tea. I took a little peek on the scales before I got in the shower and it has gone down to 10.6.0.

I'm ecstatic to get under 10 and a half as that was my pre holiday goal, but I just know tomorrow which is my official WI day it will bounce back up to 10.8 again.

twinmama that is a great loss well done. And it sounds like a sensible switching to 16:8.

Those doing shred kudos to you, it is indeed hardcore; but works though.

Talkinpeace Tue 23-Jul-13 12:42:07

irinitnolnoc
Welcome. You'll be fine. Just remember to drink plenty in this heat and if you do need to eat, see if you can stave off till a meal time and make it high protein.

Talkinpeace Tue 23-Jul-13 12:48:40

stupid News story alert
BBC reporting .... www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23403744
American Heart Association press release ... www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-07/aha-sbm071813.php
Actual study .... circ.ahajournals.org/content/128/4/337.abstract?sid=d9d059a9-2174-4adb-beca-9347c303d976

which when you check shows that the true risk factors are that people skip breakfast then have a junk food snack mid morning
or are skipping breakfast because they are eating crap late at night

the people in the study were all white middle aged American men as well

so I shall carry on skipping breakfast in my healthy way thank you very much.

Am on third fast day - not hungry but booored which is a big danger - also found myself just clicking Nigella FB page for 15 mins WTF <facepalm>- pleased I am not feeling hungry though. DH is on a late tonight so may , may, may get Zumba Wii out!

wrigglebum Tue 23-Jul-13 13:09:27

Hi all and welcome to the new people.

Fasting today, didn't do yesterday as it was picnic in the park with DS and friends, then out for dh's birthday in the evening. Our local pub has been spruced up and had a very nice meal there- gorgeous burger and then sticky toffee pudding.

Well, I weighed myself yesterday and I'm just under 10st6, so I've smashed my first target of 10st7. Next step is to get down to 10st, and maybe see if I can see 9st on the scales for the first time in a very long time!

With snacks, I do still indulge sometimes but I try and make it sociable- a piece of cake sat down with the boys or at a cafe, an ice cream in the garden with the boys, or a small handful of pistachios in front of a film in the evening. No more shoving something quickly down me just in case I feel hungry later. I still find it hard to resist picking at the boys' tea but then I tend to cook extra veg for me so I can sit with them and eat that. I'm not being too strict with it really as I wasn't really putting on weight before (just left over baby weight) and I'm a healthy weight now so don't really need to lose too much more, it would just be for vanity reasons now. I'm very strict on a fast day but other than that I try to eat to appetite and I'm not counting now (as long as the scales are going very slowly down for a bit anyway).

I keep meaning to start some exercise but it's getting the time. I walk an awful lot, dance round the kitchen and chase after two boys but nothing formal. Maybe it's time to order the shred! When DS starts school in September would probably be a good time.

itsaboat, your weight will be lower after a run (or other exercise) as you'll have lost water through sweat. Think of boxers or jockeys exrecising before their weigh-ins.

Checking in for motivation, feeding toddler warm rolls for breakfast here on a fast day!

Was going to fast yesterday but decided to exercise loads instead and swam a mile!

virginposter Tue 23-Jul-13 13:45:48

BB thanks flowers
mttum looked up that exercise app, it looks great. You start on one exercise (there are loads of different ones for each body part) and as your body gets used to it you then adapt it so's it's a bit harder. I really like that. Also the fact that you monitor your progress and it's only £1.99.
We have a gym in our garage which is very well equipped, from treadmill to multi gym to loose weights (DH used to do bodybuilding and is still in great shape at 66) otherwise I'd get it smile

virginposter Tue 23-Jul-13 14:08:48

Tip I agree and will continue to skip breakfast too as it suits me (it doesn't suit everyone wink ).I notice that they mention in the first article, that those men who didn't eat breakfast had a 27% higher risk of heart problems, they didn't choose to mention that those men who ate late at night (really late) had a 55% higher risk of heart problems.
I wonder if any of them have links to the food industry, particulary grain as they advocate eating it for breakfast?

Talkinpeace Tue 23-Jul-13 14:22:31

virginposter
I think the list of corporate sponsors of the American Heart Association tells us all we need to know about the emphasis of the research they will commission
www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/National-Supporters-and-Sponsors_UCM_436493_Article.jsp
biscuit

virginposter Tue 23-Jul-13 14:31:18

Tip nuf said!

monster54 Tue 23-Jul-13 14:34:45

I too will continue to skip except on occasion we have a nice breakfast on a weekend with DC!!!

Right 'the shred' has been ordered!!!! I read the amazin reviews and wow it seems positive I was worried I don't think I'll be able to commit to everyday but there were a number of reviewers that did it 4/5 days a week and saw results!!!

So I figure something has to be better than nothing!!!!!!

Today's going well so far, visited an old friend which was great and we shared ryvita and cottage cheese for lunch, maybe fast days can be sociable afterwards!

Should I be low carbing on fast days? Was planning on spaghetti hoops on toast tonight for my dinner but does bread just fill you up temporarily? Should I be eating more protein?

monster54 Tue 23-Jul-13 14:41:57

*amazon

Talkinpeace Tue 23-Jul-13 14:46:42

Macca it is much easier to low carb on fast days. do the spaghetti hoops on a slice of nice ham with scrambled egg on the side ....

and I actually fasted while having lunch with a friend : I had vegetable soup for lunch with her ... very sociable, 150 calories!

Dotty342kids Tue 23-Jul-13 15:16:18

mtmum thanks for the tip, I'll look that up later!
Just had nachos with spicy beans for pub lunch and am conscious of how much it's bloated me up. Drat, as am out to pizza express for dinner later with DH as kids on a rare overnighter with the grandparents. Thnk might have to have a salad just so that it's not another carbcentric meal!

Talkinpeace Tue 23-Jul-13 15:25:13

Dotty
The magic trick for eating out and not wanting to bloat too much ....
two starters

so, looking at their menu, have the bruschetta or polpette for your starter and the antipasto as your main
or the pollo salad - NOT the caesar as the dressing is a calorific bomb

then again, their "leggera" pizzas look rather fun

dotty all calorie counts on their website - don't get caught out with the bosco salad like I did (could have had a pizza for less!)

Dotty342kids Tue 23-Jul-13 15:42:30

Not too bothered about calories as know most of what's on offer is fairly terrible in that dept, just don't want more bloat inducing carbs! The pub lunch was my own fault as no-one forced me to have nachos......... mind you, everything else there was "something + chips" so not really much in the way of an alternative grin

Talkinpeace Tue 23-Jul-13 15:47:59

dotty
again, pub lunches, see if they can do a double portion of a starter or two starters on one big plate
my kids call it Mummy Tapas!

bluehearted Tue 23-Jul-13 15:48:19

Newbie here!! It's so motivational for me to read your successes so far on weight loss. I am starting this week (when the book arrives). I have at least 3 stone to lose (baby weight, DS is 5 months old). I have always struggled to lose weight, so I am anxious to try this and see if it works for me!
Feeling hungry just typing this lol!

Pizza Express's leggera menu is rather lovely.

I've a fish supper to look forward to tonight! It's a sort of once a month treat with DH -we split 2 fish, one chip, and I either have gluten free batter which is crisper and less carb-bloaty, or else only eat half the batter. Oh and mushy peas.

Hmmm, do we need an eating out thread? Last week I was delighted to find that IKEA's smoked slamon without the dressing was a good FD choice.

Talkinpeace Tue 23-Jul-13 16:38:25

PS
Please DISREGARD ALL CALORIE COUNTS ON MENUS
they are likely to be under estimated by up to 30%
as just an extra teaspoon of grated cheese, or dollop of oil can change the calorie count by 100

so do what thin people do : pick light things, eat as much as you need, no more

ELR Tue 23-Jul-13 17:29:55

Talking of eating out, I'm on a mums night out to the local curry house for their banquet night! So that's poppadoms, starter, main, a side and rice or naan. Going for lamb chops to start, salmon shaslic for main, aubergine curry for side then will share a mushroom rice and a naan. I will only eat a spoon of the aubergine curry and a spoon of the rice and a quarter of the naan. Def not calorie counting that!!

HellesBelles396 Tue 23-Jul-13 17:44:16

Really looking forward to tea: basa fillet steamed with ginger, wholegrain rice and stir-fry veg. Just over 200 calories and a plateful :D

HellesBelles396 Tue 23-Jul-13 18:06:41

Oh bum!! Since when does ds not like rice???

Fab41 Tue 23-Jul-13 18:34:02

Hiya, newb too. Had a shock at a health check last week, all my blood results have moved very close to being pre-diabetic, so time for action. blush
I started at 166lbs, using MFP, and this week I am 162lbs which has helped motivate me.

I thought I would start the 5:2 as a new WOE, that I can maintain long term. I sort of planned a fast day today but have ended up at 971kcals, so I need to plan that better. Still a really good deficit for me though.

I am 5'5", and want to get to 135lbs by Xmas. Earlier would be good, but I don't want to stress about it and give up. I also have fibromyalgia so am limited with what exercise I can manage.

Really I pressed with everyone's results so far.

BetsyBell Tue 23-Jul-13 19:14:44

Woo, School's out for Summer!

I wonder if I can manage a bit of daily Jillian while trapped at home with the kids? It would be a good idea as I will fail to do any brisk walking or fast cycling with them around.

Welcome Fab41. That's a fantastic start and an achievable goal. Any loss will obliterate the risk of diabetes.

The best thing about this WOE is that it slowly but surely changes the way you eat and means maintenance is ridiculously easy as long as you keep doing it.

Weight loss tends to be slow and steady - with long 'plateaus' - I call them maintenance.

Hello bluehearted - you don't need the book to get going - there's way more info and guidance on here than in that tiny book grin - I only bought it at all as it was £2 for an e-copy! Jump in and get started...

VulvaVoom Tue 23-Jul-13 19:50:03

Hi all,

Everyone doing OK? I feel more hungry today than I did after my first FD yesterday, is this common?

Is it best to do exercise on NFDs, what do you all do?

Mind you, I haven't exercised this fat bum, apart from pushing the buggy around in about a year! grin

BetsyBell Tue 23-Jul-13 20:06:33

VVV I usually feel hungriest 2 days after a fast day. I prefer to exercise first thing on a fast day if possible but life doesn't always work out that way. Any exercise you can add into daily living is the best sort but I appreciate that's not ideal if you're at baby buggy stage smile

People are talking about Shred today so here's level one on youtube - it's great because it pushes you but it's only 20 minutes so easy to fit into the day. It might even work as baby entertainment! I remember doing lots of stupid dancing for my little ones...

Talking of which, if you have a Wii, Just Dance is great fun and can get a sweat up too.

Failing all that, lots of long walks with the buggy.

Broadbean1 Tue 23-Jul-13 20:21:00

Hi, this is my first post. I have been following 5:2 since early April, I started at a very shameful 93kg and have had a very slow loss and am now 88kg. I started the shred 8 days ago and hope that will help move things along a little. I usally fast on monday and thursday but had to change to tuesday this week. These threads have been a huge support.

BetsyBell Tue 23-Jul-13 20:32:48

Broadbean Good to hear from you - thanks for jumping in smile 7kg is about more than a stone. That's a great loss - not slow, just about right. And remember, that's weight you can say goodbye to for good!

Itsaboatjack Tue 23-Jul-13 21:06:17

Welcome aboard Broadbean, as Betsy that's a great loss.

VVV I exercise on both FDs and NFDs, but even on NFDs I try to do it before I eat anything so I am still in a fasted state.

Betsy I know what you mean about missing the school runs, I usually walk at least 4miles a day during the week in term time so I will have to make sure I make up for that somehow whether it be alternative exercise or eating less.

HairyPotter Tue 23-Jul-13 21:51:36

I usually try to shred first thing everyday and C25K as well on non fast days. It's working ok at the moment. <crosses fingers>

I seem to be constantly picking on NFDs but I am trying to make them mostly fruit. I do seem to be hungrier than a FD. hmm

wrigglebum Tue 23-Jul-13 22:01:47

I feel very full after my fast day dinner- roasted salmon with pesto, roasted tomatoes and asparagus followed by fresh cherries and raspberries. Yum! I'm finding it easiest to skip breakfast, have something token for lunch (miso soup today- 29cals), then I can enjoy a nicer dinner in the evening. I can manage to not feel hungry until the boys are in bed.

alwaysanauntie Tue 23-Jul-13 22:07:55

Hello all you newbies <waves>, welcome aboard, stick around and we'll all get there together!

monster loved the goals question, thought I'd put mine down to make them more real... am 5"5 and 33...(ps: I weigh in kg as I get less hung up on the numbers although I do have a lovely spreadsheet in which I convert them and have a graph, forecasts etc - can you tell I'm an accountant?! grin), oh, and have been 5:2ing around 10 weeks.

Started at 72kg - 11st4, currently 66.5kg - 10st6, 1st goal is 10st as that's the lightest I'll have been since 2004 so hoping to hit that in a month or so... Eventual goal is 8st7 as that's what I was when I met DH 11 years ago, but we'll see how I go! Will be delighted to be a comfortable size 10 again and get into my face old clothes that are keeping safe in a box for when I'm skinnier smile

Reward wise, I think the new wardrobe will be exciting, I have spent a FORTUNE on bras over the last couple of years (also due to being preg, BFing etc), but I'd also like a spa day (weekend wink) without the dd in tow - a real treat!

TIP haven't had a chance to read the articles, but I know when I slid off the wagon a few weeks ago it was because I was trying to 16:8 everyday, got hungry and ate crap mid-morning. I'm much better off having porridge on NFDs to keep my ravenous appetite at bay (plus my puny amount of willpower actually stands a chance!), but maybe that will change in time as I get more used to this woe.

Epic post over, sleep tight all xx

alwaysanauntie Tue 23-Jul-13 22:12:00

that would be "old fave clothes" not face - durrr.

Also, to add to the when to exercise point, I go at lunch time on a FD, so get to enjoy big filling salad with a bit of protein after. Means I don't get really hungry in the afternoon (as I tend to have increased appetite post-exercise) and I can just about hold out to 2pm without eating, so get a decent 18 hour fast in as well smile

Talkinpeace Tue 23-Jul-13 22:12:46

HairyPotter
try not to snack / pick / nibble
if you possibly can you need to have four to five hour gaps between ANY food - and fruit is all so high in sugar ....

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 24-Jul-13 02:36:47

Hey all. Betsy you really, really do look fantastic. I'm no end of envious of your waist.

Second FD for the week here, and struggling. Suspect TOTM is about due. Keep thinking sabotaging thoughts about just skipping this one and making up for it next week, but honestly I do that every time I get to 60kg and I've therefore lost the same 5lbs about four times this month already.

delilahmoo Wed 24-Jul-13 06:38:57

good morning all! Betsy, WOW, looking amazing! Intruiged by this 'Shredding', is it worth a go? Advice needed please......Started 5:2 4th July weighing 9.6 (I'm 5.3, 39, quite active) I'm aiming for between 8.6 - 8.10. After 1st fast down to 9.3, after second down to 9.1 1/2......now I am 6 fasts in and still weighing 9.3 after fast day, feel I'm not getting anywhere! Is this a normal pattern? Is it harder when there is not much to loose? I have a low fat content due to swimming, walking and physical job, might this make a difference? Should I really watch my NFD? Sorry for soooo many questions, feeling a bit disappointed and want this to work as I find the fasts rather enjoyable. Fast day yest went well, just tea and skim milk until 11.30, then ww fromage frais, then dinner was a M&S cod curry from count on us range (320 cals) with extra veg, bloody lovely! Good luck todays fasters, and thanks in advance for any advice.

Lizzabadger Wed 24-Jul-13 07:00:05

Delilahmoo in my simplistic way of looking at it, 6 fasts = 9000 calories saved. One pound = 3500 calories. So you can expect to have lost 2-3 pounds, which you have.

BetsyBell Wed 24-Jul-13 07:14:23

delilahmoo it is working, you've lost 3lbs and have done wonderful things for the health of your body. You have very little to lose so it is harder but not impossible - your Tdee will be low.

Look at how talkinpeace eats and exercises - she's tiny (slim), exercises loads and NEVER SNACKS!

Go look at her words on the tips and links thread (linked on OP), she's the model you need to follow.

tortoise kindness, thank you smile. I'm going to have to make sure I follow Tip's example too or I'll put loads back on over the summer holidays... I can already feeling it creeping back on thanks to celebratory bottle of fizz and some chocolate last night - last day of term is an honorary Friday.

Determined to Shred first thing, while the kids have breakfast.

ELR Wed 24-Jul-13 07:19:51

delilah was going to say more or less the same as lizza you are doing well keep it up!

thaliablogs Wed 24-Jul-13 08:00:48

monster thanks for the stimulus on the goals. I would like to get down to 70 kilos or 11 st, which is 4 lbs lower than when we got married and will make me a 10/12 on top and 12/14 on bottom, bmi 22.5. Currently still on 78 kilos, would love to see it start to shift!

Will then reevaluate and see if I want to get to a solid size 12. A bit worried at my age (mid 40s) and with a pointy face (sharp chin, big nose!) I might look a bit haggard in the face if I go too low.

Want to keep up 4x/week exercise through our move and starting new job which will be tough but, I hope, possible.

betsy you look amazing, very athletic and shapely.

Nfd today, I had a big eating dinner yesterday with a posh dinner out, got to nearly 2000 calories which is a lot for me but still below tdee. Tough workout in the morning but resistance rather than cardio. Was hard doing it first thing in the morning after a fast but feeling fitter and muscles working better so not too hard to keep up motivation.

NotAsTired Wed 24-Jul-13 08:51:29

Hi everyone. You are all doing pretty good, I would say. Betsy -wow, just wow!

Fd here today. Shredded already [slightly smug icon] grin. I am level 2, have been on this level for about 2 and a half weeks. I am not moving on till I can do it like Natalie - I'm getting there!

BetsyBell Wed 24-Jul-13 09:05:38

Notastired Just came on here to gloat that I'd Shredded already! I'm starting back on level 1 as it's been a while... it was easier than last time I started out but I still ended up in a big old sweat and puffed out so all good! The kids sat and told me how easy it looked - until they joined in grin

Again, thank you for the wonderful compliments - remember: If I can do it you all can too, just stick at it everyone.

Also, the lycra holds everything in - it's all a bit 'loose' under there, but I'm working on it. I've got the general body size I'm after but now it's time to focus on toning up.

Itsaboatjack Wed 24-Jul-13 09:21:49

Woohoo. Official WI day here today and I am 10.7.4.

Holiday tomorrow where the goal will be to not do too much damage. I'm happy to skip breakfast most days, keep alcohol to just the evenings (got the kids with us so it will be limited anyway) and enjoy meal times.

NotAsTired Wed 24-Jul-13 09:36:31

Oh well done itsaboat. Enjoy the holiday.

betsy. I've got to say, I am the same in terms of squishyness. I may be a size ten but I still need to firm up <a lot>. We will get there. smile

BsshBossh Wed 24-Jul-13 09:40:35

monster54 ref. short and longterm goals :

Original BMI was 36 (just going into size 20 clothes, which shocked me into dieting as I couldn't find any clothes that suited my style at that size)

Original BMI goal was 24 which I reached recently (size 12)

New BMI goal is now 21 (size 8-10 on me I think; currently size 10)

BetsyBell Wed 24-Jul-13 09:56:09

We're still waiting for your Before and After pics Bssh!!!

Serious question though: you're doing loads of weight training and stuff aren't you? Don't you find that effectively increases your BMI or do you make adjustments to allow for muscle mass?

My BMI's 22.9 but I can't see myself decreasing it that much more - I'd rather replace the fat on my thighs with muscle but it won't reduce my BMI.

delilah I started at bmi 24 63.7kg and planned to reach 55.3kg (8st 10). I also found that the numbers were fairly steady after the first month and I increased my exercise and did a zero fast every other week. That seemed to get things moving again and I reached my goal in 11 weeks. Might be worth a try?

itsa have a fantastic holiday

Well done to all you shredders!

thinkcan Wed 24-Jul-13 10:39:33

Flew back to home country on Sat. Friends and family who have not seen me in the last four months swear that I have lost tons of weight. Actual weight lost is only about 5 lbs although being a shortie, that was almost 4% of my body weight. I do think this diet really does take away the inches. I exercise regularly - weight sessions at the gym 3 times per week, 14 km bicycle rides twice a week with a tough 7km uphill route. At 57, I am more muscular than I have been in the last 20 years. Now to make sure I don't put back the lbs during the next two weeks while I am back in home comfort food territory. Will be depending on this thread to keep me motivated.

Dotty342kids Wed 24-Jul-13 11:18:54

woohoo itsaboat that's great! Where are you off to for your holidays?

I'm still above a healthy BMI range so would love to see it in the magic "green" healthy zone. I will get there, at some point smile

RockChicken1 Wed 24-Jul-13 12:08:43

What is shredding? I'm looking for a good workout that will help me tone up. At the moment I'm just walking/running but I want to do something else as well.
Second fd today and currently on my third cup of coffee. How important is it that you're close to your TDEE on nfd? I've been struggling to eat enough and I am usually about 200 cals below.

Itsaboatjack Wed 24-Jul-13 12:15:26

Thanks everyone. Dotty we are going to Lanzarote.

JB30 Wed 24-Jul-13 12:20:06

Back home and into my first FD in nearly 2 weeks. Initial jump on scales showed a gain of nearly every last pound I had lost, so close to 9 pound (total liss had been nearly 12 pound) However I do believe a bit of that of that is fluid and other yucky stuff. Whatever it is, it's not getting a chance to stick, planning on adf'ing it for the next week or so which should get me back on track. Annoyed with myself, while I didn't snack for the most part, I ate wayyy too much and what was worse, I didn't enjoy it. Managed 3 jogs and a few walks but they just couldn't make up for the food.
Hungry now, scrambled egg (1 full egg, 1 extra egg white) and ham for lunch. Something light for dinner, not sure what's best. Then away for 2 days with work, it will be hard doing and FD on Friday but I'll find a way. Deliberately didn't book breakfast in my hotel so that helps. Also kept v busy at these things, distraction is my friend I've found.
All this talk of the shred is making me consider digging out a DVD, although I think I'll pick my BFF Davina, Jillian scares me! Have a good day y'all

BetsyBell Wed 24-Jul-13 12:24:45

RockChicken I posted a link to it on Youtube upthread yesterday. It's a 20 minute intensive thing by Jillian Michaels.

Itsa Have a fab holiday smile

thinkcan Wow, with all that exercise I'll bet you've lost loads in fat and increased in lean muscle - I don't think it's just this WOE that's changed your body shape. 7k uphill?? [Faints at the thought] WOW!

plecofjustice Wed 24-Jul-13 12:54:01

Fast day disaster yesterday!!

I'd planned and calculated my calories to include homemade coconut sorbet, was really really looking forward to it, bought all the ingredients.

Then threw the coconut milk all over the floor sad

No yummy sorbet for me. Still is it good that I saved 100 cals, and couldn't find anything I wanted to replace it with?

well done itsa and think

apparently I've told my body enough now that it is a 14 and its listened. grin

except all my summer bottoms are 16+ and are literally falling off me in some cases. so I used a tip tip! I just raided the local charity shops. 2 pairs of jeans, 2 pairs of shorts, 2 skirts and a dress all for under £21, and all in the pocket of charities.

however my celebration at that haul has meant me and Percy pig having a fling. thankfully its an nfd and I skipped breakfast!

monster54 Wed 24-Jul-13 13:04:05

thinkican

It's funny you say that, I had read an interesting article about fasting being more effective at burning simply fat reserves....

It was highlighted with an example of a lady who was bridesmaid and whole a dress at 11st (I think it was) put on a load of weight etc afterwards, then start 5:2. She was down to 12 stone and tried on the dress and it was too big!!! Yet she was still a stone heavier!!!

I can back this up to an extend. I'm currently 10st 13lbs and am wearing a number of clothes I was wearing at 10st!!

I wonder if there is any scientific proof.

And on other news...JILLIAN HAS BEEN DISPATCHED AND WINGING HER WAY!!!

ALthough not sure how its going to go down with DH as he's happy with how I am looking even though I'm not and my mini goal at the moment is 10st 7lbs!!

monster54 Wed 24-Jul-13 13:05:47

*wore not whole

monster54 Wed 24-Jul-13 13:10:18

delilah 30 day shred is on amazon for £5 and free delivery at the moment.

20 minutes a day for 30 days.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 24-Jul-13 13:17:29

What an upbeat bunch we are today. Thalia I'm really hoping that your lovely sounding indulgent meal surprises your metabolism into kickstarting some loss.

After a hard morning I broke through to a perfect FD. Had lunch with old friends and just had a skim latte while they ate and didn't even mind or really notice, then home for planned FD chicken soup, I think I'm probably as low as 400 for the day. DH has fallen off the wagon and is munching toast and I am perfectly happy with my camomile tea. And I've even packed myself a filling breakfast for tomorrow, shaved turkey and a boiled egg and some wholeweat crackers, yummmmmm.

Off to polish my halo bed now, have a good day all.

Talkinpeace Wed 24-Jul-13 14:21:03

Am feeling embarrassed now that you all keep quoting me
BUT
Glad that more and more people are realising that the really simple parts of food control
- no snacking
- 16:8
- up your exercise
are the bits that really, really matter

thalia
if you are toned, you can get away with being a lot lighter without looking haggard ... there is a whole series of yoga exercises for head and neck that tighten up the skin and muscles under your jaw so that your face feels better as you lose weight

delilahmoo Wed 24-Jul-13 15:17:11

Thank you for the sound advice all you pro's. I know I have kept 3 lb off, just it was all in the first 3 fasts, nada since. Oh well, will keep going. Will not snack on NFD, cut down on alcohol, and have ordered the scarily sounding 'Shredding' DVD.....will see how it all goes. Postman, did your weight plateaux then? Not sure I could do a zero fast but am considering no breakfast as a rule of thumb on a NFD, so in effect going from 6ish until midday the next day, I guess this is a 16:8 thrown into the 5:2, all these numbers confusing myself! Good luck fasters, will be me tomorrow.

Not sure if this has already been discussed, but saw an article n the Independent yesterday that said research showed that not breaking your fast was bad for you. People who don't eat breakfast are 30% more likely to damage their heart as whilst fasting, blood pressure and insulin production increase and it strains the heart if you don't break this in the morning. The research adjusted for lifestyle factors and looked at fast-breaking alone.

article here

Yikes! I'm loving this WOL but am now worried - any thoughts?

mrsarch already discussd up thread and discounted, read back to reassure yourself.

Surely this WOE can not be compared though as this articles refers to those who regularly skip breakfast and are more likely to smoke be obese etc...and are male???

thinkcan Wed 24-Jul-13 16:03:53

BetsyBell and monster54 I do think I have replaced some fat with lean muscle. And muscles are heavier but more compact. My sister who does no exercise but weighs 4 lbs less than me wears clothes a size bigger than mine. After the last month of bouncing between 121 and 123.5 lbs, I have decided to focus on my NSV's.

thanks mumof didn't have time to read thread - been away, so will have a gander tonight.

smelly the article referred to the fact that they had adjusted for lifestyle etc and it was purely fasting in isolation.

BetsyBell Wed 24-Jul-13 16:09:17

mrsarch Do look upthread - main thing I remember was that the research was in part paid for by Cheerios among others... hmm

mrsarch just to add to the voices dissenting, it also works on the premise that if you skip breakfast you're more likely to eat crap. no research on those who skip breakfast but then eat healthy filling lunches.
not that I can talk after my Percy pig escapades today blush

monster54 Wed 24-Jul-13 16:29:30

deliahmoo will you be my shred buddy?

I ordered yesterday!!

i still have shred, only done once, just can't motivate myself......ggrrrr

thinkcan Wed 24-Jul-13 16:46:46

Has anyone tried doing hula hooping as a way of getting toned? A girlfriend plus articles on the Internet claim it uses as much calories as going for a brisk walk and is a great way of whittling down the waist. What do you think?

mttum Wed 24-Jul-13 16:48:42

How many cals do you think in a chip shop portion of chips? Haven't he'd them yet but quite fancy something easy for NFD after no sleep last night sad

Twinmama32 Wed 24-Jul-13 16:54:30

monster thinkican I'm exactly the same.... I fit into things that were too tight when I was a stone lighter and yet now they fit! Weird huh? But VERY satisfying!

I'm doing my second fast of the week as I'm going glamping tomorrow and we've booked the BBQ buffet for tomorrow night and there's no way I'm missing that! I had a cheeky early weigh in, despite weighing myself yesterday (12st) today I'm 11.11! I quite literally couldn't believe my eyes, rechecked 4 times! So despite plateauing (maintaining) for several weeks in one week I've lost 4.5Ibs, haven't had that sort of loss since the early weeks!!
Hurrah hurrah hurrah grin

betsy you look fabulous, I'd love to look how you look, how inspiring!

BetsyBell Wed 24-Jul-13 16:56:52

mumof I've told my kids to tell me off if I'm not Shredding by the time the have breakfast - I thought they might enjoy the chance to boss me around in the mornings for once!

I just love the fact it's 20mins, I can easily stay motivated for 20mins - and if I do it early it means I can just get out of bed and go for it. I get bored by anything much longer and don't bother doing it [looks at Davina dvds gathering dust on the shelf].

BetsyBell Wed 24-Jul-13 17:05:59

Twinmama and all of you with the nice words - having been somewhat overweight most of my adult life (rarely been in 'normal' BMI), and very overweight or obese in the last few years, post babies, having people say that my bod is inspiring is a big shock

And I've 'cheated' (in the parlance of normal diets) loads - there's snacking an boozing and stuff! But overall I have massively changed how I eat and live; a fundamental life change. And I enjoy what I eat a helluva of lot more now than I ever did before.

Once again: If I can do it then you can too.

delilahmoo Wed 24-Jul-13 17:07:04

yes i'll be your shed buddy monster will let you know when it arrives.

oohh betsy just saw your photo's whoop whoop FABULOUS!!!!

ok, am inspired, may get kids to nag me about shred on non work days, work days just too crazy getting all 3 of us ready in the mornings.

BetsyBell Wed 24-Jul-13 17:30:48

Mumof Yeah the nagging is strictly for school hols (I only work school days) - wouldn't do it otherwise grin (also, thank you blush)

Lizzabadger Wed 24-Jul-13 18:26:37

Betsy you look amazing! Goes to show BMI is not everything because your BMI is slightly higher than mine (22.7) yet I look really podgy.

NotAsTired Wed 24-Jul-13 19:29:09

Another fast day over. 447 calories total. May do another on Friday to bank my calorie deficit as I have a big blowout meal out on Saturday eve. Am now going to go and put my feet up as I've had a very busy and somewhat stressful day (not the fasting bit).

NotAsTired Wed 24-Jul-13 19:32:25

Why did you not sleep last night mttum? Chip shop chips (according to mfp) is around the 400-500 mark. Is that within your limit?

Lizzabadger Wed 24-Jul-13 19:35:14

Is that all? I am so having chip shop chips tomorrow.

mttum chip shop chips are over 900 calories for a standard portion (about 400g) I'm afraid. I had to mini fast last time I went to the chippy

BsshBossh Wed 24-Jul-13 19:42:10

Betsy ref. weight training and BMI. I'm still eating at a calorie deficit so it's impossible to develop new muscles in this situation. To grow new muscles I have to eat more than my TDEE daily.

When I reach goal weight I'm going to think about doing a bulk/cut cycle so that I can develop my muscles and therefore eat more in the longterm (increase my TDEE). This involves eating around 20% above TDEE for a few months to gain weight whilst lifting progressively heavy, then cutting (eating 20% under TDEE) for a few months whilst still lifting to strip the fat and reveal new muscle. There are women on the female bodybuilding forum I frequent who have perfectly toned bodies (no wobble at all) at BMI 19/20/21 - no skinny fat there! - who do exactly this and they eat loads.

Anyway, I'm at the beginning of this right now and am still in weightloss mode so I have time to research next steps strategies.

BsshBossh Wed 24-Jul-13 19:48:00

mttum I always count chip shop chips as 1000 cals to be on the safe side. My TDEE is 2000 so I can still eat them without guilt so long as I adjust for them over the week.

Southeastdweller Wed 24-Jul-13 19:53:35

I agree with you Lizza about BMI. I'm at an all time low (21) yet I'm still flabby though not as much as I was and suspect I've lost muscle doing four months of 5:2 and a couple of months of 4:3. So I'm finding the last post by Bssh very interesting indeed.

NotAsTired Wed 24-Jul-13 20:00:11

Mummy, I seriously got that wrong blush. Oops!

NotAsTired Wed 24-Jul-13 20:01:09

Mummy? blush. Mttum, I mean.

BsshBossh Wed 24-Jul-13 20:05:07

Southeast yep, I don't want to go from fat fat to skinny fat, so for me it looks like going the bodybuilder route is the way to go - strip the fat but build the muscle and still keep BMI low. If they can do it, so can I. The female heavy lifters at my gym have fantastic, firm, slim bodies compared to the cardio bunnies (who are still flabby even though slim). I can see the evidence right before my eyes. I know what I have to do.

Southeastdweller Wed 24-Jul-13 20:07:53

Thanks, that's exactly my aim now too Bssh.

Also do you mind telling me where you get mango powder from in London please?!

mttum Wed 24-Jul-13 20:08:19

Thanks everyone, danger over! Remembered I had home made vege chilli in the freezer so had that with one of those microwave rice pouches. in real danger of going over TDEE due to snacks and also had a brief tussle with the gin bottle before putting it firmly back in the cupboard without indulging! Just about managed to come in about 120 cals under TDEE but it was close!

itsa,might sound daft but I am missing DD who is with her mum for the week. Still, only a few more days to go then we are off to my nieces wedding, which is one reason (among many) that I don't want to blow it.

Why is it when I am tired I want to stuff myself with crap and alcohol? Anyway, managed to avoid it so thanks all.

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Wed 24-Jul-13 20:10:32

Woo-hoo! Finally some progress. I weigh the same as last week, my waist is the same as last week BUT I have lost 1.5kg of body fat (according to the fancy scales at boots).

Which means I have put on 1.5kg of muscle which increases my metabolism grin

Still a size 18 but I feel good that there has been a change.

Looking forward to FD tomorrow. Came in under calories today but only had 1 of my 5 a day (unless strawberry jam on an afternoon tea counts as one??).

mttum Wed 24-Jul-13 20:11:49

No harm done notas smile. Thanks for taking the time.

bssh, have taken on board your comments about compensating other days. Will probably go for the chips when DD back at the weekend, so plenty of time to do advance compensation grin

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Wed 24-Jul-13 20:15:59

mttum according to a sign in the chip shop I was in earlier (children's portion for me!) an average-sized portion is just under 600 calories. I put mine down as 850 as I had mushy peas, small bread roll (and hideous marge) and a scoop of sorbet (mango - yum!)

If you still go. Make sure you enjoy it smile

mttum Wed 24-Jul-13 20:25:20

I will helles thanks, but at the weekend now smile.

snackers watch secret eaters on now on 4seven. The woman eats 700 cals in snacks a day. I had over 800 today!

monster54 Wed 24-Jul-13 20:39:58

Ok seems a lot of us pushing on with shred!!! Shall I start a separate thread to avoid clogging the main??

We can check in there!!

BsshBossh Wed 24-Jul-13 20:53:03

Southeast mango or amchoor powder can be found in any Indian grocery shops eg in Tooting, Southall, Turnpike Lane, Wembley. You can also buy online eg the Asian Cookshop.

Southeastdweller Wed 24-Jul-13 20:56:30

Many thanks Bssh and enjoy the rest of your hols smile

monster54 Wed 24-Jul-13 21:15:51

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/1810899-5-2-4-3-Shredders-Tips-motivation-results

Here is the link guys for shredders!!

monster54 Wed 24-Jul-13 21:16:31
BsshBossh Wed 24-Jul-13 21:31:13

Betsy I'm working on a before and after set of photos now. Size 18/20 to size 10. Difficult because back then I dressed to cover up so it's difficult to see exactly how big I was but still.... Watch this space grin.

BetsyBell Wed 24-Jul-13 21:42:09

Oh goody Bssh! grin I hope you'll be cataloguing your weight-training body transformations too.

BsshBossh Wed 24-Jul-13 21:43:24

Oh yes, definitely the weight training progressions. No more covering up now.

Yay bssh I'm waiting with baited breath too as you started where I did and are where I want to be. I struggle with then and now at the mo too as I never thought I was that large in the mirror but looked awful in photos. My solution was to therefore avoid cameras as they were obviously the problem wink

JB30 Wed 24-Jul-13 22:07:35

Question for you folks - since starting this WOL and working hard on not snacking, I'm really conscious of my kids constantly asking for snacks. I work full time with one in school/part time childcare and the other in FT childcare. They snack a lot at childcare (lots of food treats too) and before now this wouldn't have bothered me but now I'm hyper sensitive to it. When they are at home with me and ask for snacks, I do a quick mental check as to when they last ate and generally say no, I feel mean sad - am I wrong to do this? I don't think they are hungry, genuinely hungry but they think they are and I'm scared they think I'm starving them.
How do you all handle it? Do you do the 3 meals a day, 2-3 snacks?

BetsyBell Wed 24-Jul-13 22:21:48

Kids are growing JB30 so I wouldn't worry too much though it's good to be mindful about it. I do find mine mean "I'm bored" when they say "I'm hungry"!

If you offer only healthy snacks/drink rather than treats or distract then with something else it might turn out they forget they're 'hungry'.

Today I totally used the excuse of the kids wanting to snack to join in myself blush. Need to get some self control going there I think...

BetsyBell Wed 24-Jul-13 22:25:01

Sorry - I misread, it's childcare giving out snacks/treats isn't it? Well, just keep being mindful with them at home and they'll change their expectations for the better when they're with you at least.

Talkinpeace Wed 24-Jul-13 22:27:06

JB30
TBH I have my doubts about kids and snacks too.
A piece of fruit / some dried fruit / some veg / a glass of milk if needs be
rather than the high fat / salt / sugar that is sold as snack food
BUT
kids are growing : DS is 12, he has hollow legs, his capacity for chip shop chips is astounding and yet his ribs still show
whereas DD is 15 and is now starting to skip meals - so I make sure the remaining ones are healthy

Talkinpeace Wed 24-Jul-13 22:28:43

PS the shred I've never done it and am not a DVD exercise person, I do yoga, bodybalance and swim loads
BUT
for those not (yet) into joining a gym, its a good way to get toned

I'd also strongly suggest trying things like wii fit

NotAsTired Wed 24-Jul-13 22:30:17

Yes, I do 3 meals and 2 snacks a day for DS. Tbf, he has issues with food so it's important that he is offered food throughout the day. And he does eat most times.

As far as I know, little ones, especially pre-school children, have smaller tummies so need to eat more frequently. That's what my DS's dietician told me anyway.

BsshBossh Wed 24-Jul-13 22:55:45

Young kids fidget all day long and are always on the go. They need alot of calories - I read around 1800 cals for primary age children. They also have small stomachs and my 5yo DD can't physically eat loads at one sitting. Healthy snacks in addition to 3 meals a day for her. I would only worry if she was regularly snacking on junk.

JB30 Wed 24-Jul-13 23:02:08

Thanks for replies guys, mind at ease :-)
Off to bed after vg fd, back in the game grin

chirpchirp Wed 24-Jul-13 23:32:01

Hi all, just checking in, this thread moves pretty fast! Thanks for the welcome. Had a good FD on Monday and Tuesday remained healthy. Had intended to do another FD today but being at home with a toddler remains full of temptation! No problem when I'm at work but the days at home are tough. Ended up are 800 today with another FD on Friday so not going to beat myself up too much.

I have a question about TDEE - on my NFD should I be eating my current TDEE or TDEE for my target weight? Current TDEE is 2415 which obviously is way more than I want know I'm in a focused weight loss mindset. BMR is 1860 and I've been eating around 1400 on NFD. That's a lot of acronyms!

chirp
I think technically its meant to be TDEE on NFD but 1/4 on FD.

I started at around 2200 as my allowance and just stuck to 500 on FD and eating healthily on NFD. I never hit near the 2200. I was however always full and never felt too deprived. Now my TDEE is 1830, and I still don't tend to eat or drink up to it.

Just eat up to your fill, as healthy as you can is my advice. If its a fair way under then its a fair way under. If you hit it then you hit it, etc. etc.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Thu 25-Jul-13 00:14:15

Chirp, eat to your current TDEE, but keep readjusting it as you lose weight. However, as ERD says, don't eat past the point of fullness, so don't force yourself to eat 2400 if you're comfortable at less. 1400 does sound far too low, though, given your TDEE.

Weigh in this morning. No pounds lost after two excellent FDs. I'm blaming the imminency of TOTM.

tortoise aunt flo needs to be rounded up and beaten to a pulp in my opinion wink

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Thu 25-Jul-13 00:27:22

It had better BE Aunt Flo, is all I'm saying, though, because otherwise I've been a snarling bitch all week and lost no weight for no reason at all.

TigerSwallowTail Thu 25-Jul-13 00:37:14

Well that's me finished my second fast day, and Aunt Flo has came for a visit too so I can spend a few days munching chocolate. My fast days weren't too bad though, I was kept busy so didn't have much of a chance to give hunger much notice smile.

curlydiamond Thu 25-Jul-13 01:18:55

Hi everyone, been lurking off and on for the past 6 months and after falling off the wagon spectacularly thought it was time I pulled myself together and joined in.
I started this WOL on 2nd Jan after Christmas left me feeling huge and miserable, did really well and lost a stone in 10 weeks then hit plateau and bounced up and down for weeks. Reading all your posts has been so inspirational, and I think it's no coincidence that things went a bit wrong when I stopped lurking and stopped tracking my calories. I started at about 106kg (shudder) and am down to 97 now (was 93 but lost my way), and am determined to get back on track. I know with your help I can do this.
Fast day today, not been too hungry so have just had miso soup and some yoghurt, plus went to aqua running so all in all a good day. Going to delay breakfast for as long as poss tomorrow and try to eat well without snacking.
Thanks for reading, and thank so much for all your posts, I wouldn't have made it this far without you x x

Hi motivational thread contributors. Another shredder checking in, and also did 20 min swim today - fasted yesterday and will do again tomorrow. Been eating low carb every few hours as h

... Whoops, as hungry all day but came in at 1000 calories and just having small bit of tuna steak and spinach for tea.
Way to go everyone and good luck tomorrow's fasters.

Breadandwine Thu 25-Jul-13 02:17:54

JB30 et all:

I posted this on the Tips and Links thread, Jan 17th:

This 4 minute film by Dr Lustig (he of 'Sugar: The bitter truth' film and book) gives 4 tips for making your home safe for your children.

In summary, here they are:

Nr.1 – Get rid of every sugared beverage in the house – that includes fuit juice.
Nr.2 – We need to keep insulin down – by eating fibre. If you eat your carbohydrate with fibre, you will lessen the insulin response. Look at the side of the package, you need 3g of fibre or more
Nr.3 – Wait 20 minutes for second portions. It takes that long for the body to realise it’s had enough to eat.
Nr.4 – Buy your screen time with activity – if you’re outside for half an hour, you can have 30 minutes of TV; if you spend an hour out on your bike, you can have an hour of video games (Good luck with that one - but it can be done!)

The film is here. Well worth watching.

Anything from Dr Lustig is well worth following up. And if anyone hasn't gone through that thread yet, well you should. It's full of good stuff!

mttum love your 'advance compensation'! It's what I do often - and I shall pinch that term! grin

Right, I have a question.
I don't thnk m eating enough on NFD.
My TDEE is 1880- 1950 a day.
But this last couple of NFD I've eaten 1300. Or even just over 1000 calories.

I'm eating low carb with meat, fish, eggs, lots of veg, full fat Greek yogurt, and a bit of cheddar and some occasional nuts, some berries and the odd half apple or pear. I've cut out grains, pasta, rice, potatoes and juice, anything with sugar in except fruit. I drink dry red wine, dry white wine and G&T Friday - Sunday, no booze rest of week. I do the Shred or a swim or both on non fast days and fast Tuesday and Thursday. I started first week of July and am starting to feel great, lost 4-5lbs first ten days, about a pound since and my clothes all got too big.

So all very fab but as my appetite decreases I am starting to worry that I am sabotaging this WOE by wanting to eat less than 1800 or so calories on NFD? Will I end up with 'nowhere to go' and have to stay on a low calorie baseline forever because my metabolism will get used to quite a lot less food than it was used to? Do I need to push myself to eat more? Are appetite-sating high fat/low carb ways of eating (which often end up being low calorie as there is a limit to how much protein you can actually stuff into yourself) truly compatible with fasting?

Sorry long and TIA

Breadandwine Thu 25-Jul-13 05:39:09

Hey, TAD worry ye not!

Your concerns are unfounded! You will carry on losing weight - albeit at a slower rate (1lb/week is average on this WOL, so you're doing very well!).

It may well be that you plateau for a week or two - but looking at your diet, which shows an enormous amount of will-power, I think you've got the tools to overcome anything.

I've been maintaining for the past 8 months, without any difficulty. When I was losing (10kg over 8 months) I reduced everything on my NFDs by about 20-25%, but when I decided I didn't want to lose any more, I gradually increased my portion sizes and generally ate more.

For instance, instead of 75g of rice on a NFD, I went down to 60g, whilst losing weight. Now I'll have 70 or 75g, depending on how the scales fall - I simply don't worry about it any more. If I find my belt tightening, I just eat less for a day or two - it's dead easy!

So carry on doing what you're doing and relax. But keep coming back on here and tell us how you're doing because that's a pretty inspirational post.

Cheers, B&W

Ps. I'm up ATM because I can't sleep. Happens every now and again if my mind is too active before bed. I made a bit of a discovery yesterday - well, an explanation of something that's puzzled me for a while and I blogged about it late last night.

I'm sitting here with a mug of cocoa - and I've just remembered I made a batch of chocolate biscuits using vegan chocolate and Oaties yesterday. But I'd better drink most of the mug before having one - otherwise I'll polish them all off once I start. grin

thaliablogs Thu 25-Jul-13 07:58:50

I am totally hmm at my body. Weighed 12st4 on tues post fast, 12st7 yesterday am after my dinner out, and 12st9 this morning after normal tdee-ish eating day and wandering round Greenwich w kids all day. Dunno what body is up to, can only assume TOM is approaching but that's some big variation!

Will fast today and see how it goes, will be busy at work so should be ok.

BAW that's good advice on sugar, I do tend to stick to that w the children although they are too little for number 4 just yet. Will try to keep it up!

Morning! Fast day yesterday, just wondering whether to do my second today or wait until tomorrow. Not actually hungry, so may well take advantage of that and get it done.

Now, on a TMI front, I know a lot of you suffer from constipation on fast days, does anyone else get the opposite? Diarrhoea by the end of the fast day every single time! I thought it may be the flavoured sparkling water I drink, so I avoided that yesterday, same problem.

BsshBossh Thu 25-Jul-13 09:04:09

Here are my before and after photos. I'll remove them after a few days (for privacy). BMI 36 to 24 smile I'm 43 but I don't think my face looks drawn so will keep on aiming downwards for 22 or 21 BMI. I'll now also start doing physique photos to monitor weight training effects on my body.

delilahmoo Thu 25-Jul-13 09:16:47

wowzers bssh you look FANTASTIC! well done you, how long has it taken you and how much have you lost? Fast day here ( on a bit of a hangover, impromptu garden drinking) going to be hard, always want to eat when feeling a little delicate. so far so good though, 3 cups of tea and a lot of water ( plus a painkiller, awful period pains ), planning on a cup a soup before I start work at 12, then power through with fizzy water and more tea until dinner at 6, M&S veg mousaka 280 cals, plus salad. MFP tells me this will come in at 439. Good luck fasters.

BetsyBell Thu 25-Jul-13 09:16:51

Good morning! Fast day today, I've shredded and now have a delicious cup of freshly ground black coffee.

School holidays means I get to challenge myself to wait longer to break my fast - currently aiming for 4pm, and if I get that far I may as well wait till 6 smile.

Stick with it Thalia you are doing wonderful things for the health of your body.

If you must weigh in often I really do recommend only doing it after fast days, and then only once, first thing in the morning. It's too easy to get fixated on those numbers and so many reasons why they don't show us the result we want.

For example: hormones, stuff in bowels, water retention in muscles if you've exerted yourself more than usual, water retention due to eating salty things, water retention because you're processing carbs... you get the picture!)

After a fast day, water retention is definitely less of an issue, as is stuff hanging around in your digestive tract.

Record your post-fast day weigh ins and look at the over-all trend over time - it will be downwards. Ignore the daily & weekly fluctuations or 'bounces'. We all have them.

angelabbie Thu 25-Jul-13 09:18:38

BB fantastic pictures and you look younger than 43!!

NotAsTired Thu 25-Jul-13 09:18:42

Wow! You look fantastic bsshbosh. Such a change. Loving the hair too smile

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Thu 25-Jul-13 09:23:10

Well done Bssh you look really well. Inspiration for those of us just starting our new WOE's.

BetsyBell Thu 25-Jul-13 09:23:12

Bssh You look like a completely different person! WOW! You certainly don't look drawn at all, you look AMAZING, and really young too! Your frame is tiny.

I hope your family and (supportive) friends are suitably impressed.

NotAsTired Thu 25-Jul-13 09:23:31

betsy well done on the shredding this morning. I have shredded too. smile. In fact, I've shredded, vacuumed downstairs, put wash on and out to hang and currently looking around to see what else I can do! I feel so energetic!

Lizzabadger Thu 25-Jul-13 09:35:36

Wow BB. You look amazing!

Dotty342kids Thu 25-Jul-13 09:47:26

BsshBossh you look bloomin' amazing! Your hair really suits your face, you look in great shape and really youthful. Can I put in a very well meant plea though? As you know, my in laws are indian and both sister in laws insist on wearing black / brown / grey / navy etc but their (and your!) colouring just suits amazing bright colours so please, please wear them as now that you're looking so fabulous you should be "out there" showing it all off grin

NotAsTired Thu 25-Jul-13 09:54:00

Oh yes bssh, totally agree with dotty re: colours. smile

JB30 Thu 25-Jul-13 10:10:00

Wow Bssh you look amazing! Totally different woman, I wouldn't put you at 43, at least 10 years younger.
Totally inspired! On a 16:8 nfd, travelling at the min so easy enough with a decent cup of costa

BsshBossh Thu 25-Jul-13 10:18:33

blush thank you all. delilah I started February 2012 - 70lbs lost so far, 15lbs to go. Dotty, Tired I hear ya!

Talkinpeace Thu 25-Jul-13 10:47:55

To those struggling with eating "up" to TDEE .....
if you are not hungry, don't eat
BUT
make sure you keep your fluid intake up - even of water - as you need to keep listening to the signals from your body

AND
with the summer holidays, and not having the school run to keep our timetables in order it is even more important
NO SNACKING
even if the kids are ....
If you have little ones who need the example, have some chunks of carrot or cucumber with them

I plan to try to do 16:8 most days over the summer
oh, except that DH cooked bacon this morning. FAIL on my part!

and yes, BsshBossh is inspirational : proof that losing weight makes you look younger!

ok, officially betsybell and bsshbossh are my new inspiration with their fabulous photo's.

I need to start doing some more exercise, fasting all well and good, but toning is definitely required, also need tips yoga exercises for neck tightening youthfullness, but think I'm far too dyspraxic and uncoordinated for yoga.

will get bf to take some photo's this weekend and use them as before shots to track any shred related changes.

attempting back to back fast, successful fast day yesterday, (although scales still show me at 10 12 as I was last week, but I had lost 2 pounds last week, so it's my usual bouncing, and averages at 1 pound a week.

am hoping though to push things with another day and a half of fasting, so next week starts to get me back towards all time low and lower.

please though, can we stop talking about chip shop chips? I'm heading up north tomorrow and they do amazing chips up there!

Breadandwine Thu 25-Jul-13 11:17:47

* BsshBossh* you look amazing - what a pretty young woman you are!

(Am I allowed to say that?)

A total inspiration for those wishing to lose weight!

mttum Thu 25-Jul-13 11:50:34

Agree with everyone else bssh, absolutely brilliant!

NameoftheRose Thu 25-Jul-13 12:06:26

Fantastic photos, I feel really inspired. I have photos of me atop Fleetwith Pike in the Lakes, weighing two stone more than I do now. Taken almost exactly a year ago. God knows how I heaved all that weight up there. Imagine going for a climb and deciding to put two stone of extra weight in your backpack. For a laugh like.
I'm wearing the same t shirt today, as in the photos and it is very loose on me now whereas then it clung tightly to every bulge. Lovely pictures [embarrassed].

The photos gave me the kick up the backside to start exercising and eating healthily. I've started 5:2 to shift that last stone.
This is my third week and I've got less than half a stone to go.
Healthy BMI first time for years!!!

BTW I look much younger without the extra weight, I seriously get mistaken for ten years younger. I look much prettier too (I mean that modestly, I don't mean I'm an Angelina look alike, just vastly improved on me). So losing weight, if done sensibly, doesn't age you.

name of the rose go on, post your pics!

Those photos give me inspiration too! My BMI is about 40 and I am 41. So am hoping in another 14 months or so, I too will be down to a BMI in my 20s. It averages out at about 1lb a week weight loss which is about what I think I am losing (no scales).

Can I ask a couple of qns:
1. What is 16:8?

2. The recent articles that skipping breakfast and not breaking your fast is bad for you have been discounted here, but one thing puzzles me.
All the research behind ADF etc points to lowered blood pressure and lower insulin levels when the body is fasting. yet in the recent articles they say that when fasting your body's blood pressure and insulin levels increase, hence why it's good to break your fast to reduce the strain on the body.

Which is correct?

mehefin Thu 25-Jul-13 12:25:09

Just seen your photos Bssh - amazing! I feel proud on your behalf !

BetsyBell Thu 25-Jul-13 12:31:30

MrsArch There's loads of research links on the Tips and Links thread, I recommend you plough through some of those to reassure you that this is a good thing according most sensible research.

This Forum has some excellent science links too (Scroll down to The 5:2 Lab section)

There's also plenty of positive testimonials on these threads too... very few people report insulin spike symptoms (dizzy, shaky etc), there have been some, but not many.

16:8 is a way of daily fasting - fast for 16 hours, eat during 8 hours - ie limit eating to 2 meals. There's lot of evidence to suggest this is an excellent way to keep healthy. Again, links in the T&L thread.

mehefin Thu 25-Jul-13 12:35:47

MrsArch
16:8 means waiting 16 hrs after your evening meal before eating the next day.

Southeastdweller Thu 25-Jul-13 12:37:17

Looking fabulous Bssh and much younger than 43. It really shows yet again how extra weight ages people. Very well done, lady smile

Bssh great to see the pics. you look fantastic and so much younger.

just marking place as i haven't managed to fast for a while - holiday and since being back. must get back on track soon!

weight seems to be sitting steady between 10.2 and 10.3. if i could get back on board i could probably see the magic 9 within a few fasts.

motivation where art thou? stress and alcohol is my downfall at the minute. gets to mid afternoon and i really fancy a drink.

Talkinpeace Thu 25-Jul-13 13:18:31

SAF
no booze before the sun is below the yardarm : 6pm at the earliest
unless its a party

Hi All,

Just logging on for motivation as Fast day 4 is a little bit taxing, and I found it!! BssH AMAZING!! Lovely! Well done.

Im off to a posh hotel Sunday - hate what i'm wearing think I look old and chubby - but there will be plenty more posh hotels and chances to wear nice flattering clothes as long as I can stick at this.

One.Day.At.A .Time

smile

NotAsTired Thu 25-Jul-13 13:33:56

mrsarch. I suffer from low blood sugar problems: dizzy, shaky, mood swings. Or rather I did. Since I started 5:2, I've not had any major problems (apart from around totm) and it's pretty amazing to me that I don't need to eat between breakfast and lunch and between lunch and dinner. I don't get shaky, dizzy, moody and the feeling of being out of control. Whereas in the past, I used to. My DP can't believe the change in me.

Talkinpeace Thu 25-Jul-13 13:38:58

MrsArch
Sadly the reporting of the research was (as is often the case with science stories) very poor.
I have clinically low blood pressure (85/60) and controlled fasting has not given me any problems at all.

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Thu 25-Jul-13 14:25:18

I, too, have noticed far fewer symptoms of hunger.

Partly, I think, because I am eating less refined-foods so I am falling off fewer sugar-cliffs.

Also, fasting has shown me that I do not need to preventatively eat. By this I mean that I would have a cereal bar at break time at work because I would be worried about making it through til lunchtime without feeling hungry.

Now, though, I am not afraid of being hungry and, slowly, I am training myself to think of hunger pangs as thirst pangs.

Fluids are the key. Calorie-free if possible though I do like the occasional ice-pop.

thinkcan Thu 25-Jul-13 15:48:32

Wonderfully inspiring photos from all who took the trouble to post their before and after pictures - I think so far it's TIP, BetsyBell and Bssh. Thank you so much for continuing to keep us motivated.

FD fail. In fact entire week fail. I'm either sabotaging, need a break or aunt flo is being a bitch.

So much to OHs delight Chinese takeout is on the cards tonight. One massive blowout and then tomorrow onwards its back on the horse properly. I dont honestly think I found my first fast as hard as Mondays or todays.

Wow at pics! Wow wow!
Just done shred for first time on fast day and it was great, now off for swim, might have early lunch of scrambled eggs at 11.30 (am six hrs behind UK) then soup for supper.

Thanks so much for advice on eating up to TDEE. Think I'm in ketosis most of the time now which is why I'm not hungry so much. Drinking heaps of water but I always do as live in tropics.

Should say, been doing shred for a bit but not exercised on fast days before.

BsshBossh Thu 25-Jul-13 16:42:21

Thanks for the lovely comments everyone thanks. 15 lbs to go then I will start that bulk/cut cycle I chatted about upthread to start building muscle and stripping fat further. I'm aiming to get to goal by November or December then 2014 will be all about recomposing my physique smile <excited>.

Londonmrss Thu 25-Jul-13 17:03:58

can sometime talk to me about artificial sweeteners and diet drinks? they're bad right?

Dotty342kids Thu 25-Jul-13 17:13:33

Had the mother of all temptations this afternoon when I took the kids to see a film at a local theatre. I was going to stay in cafe and drink / read book whilst they watched it, forgetting just how amazingly tempting the cakes there are. Anyway, I removed myself to the outside seating, turned my back on the cake counter and had a diet coke smile. Almost killed me but am safely home now and will indulge in some homemade lemon drizzle cake tomorrow instead!

Talkinpeace Thu 25-Jul-13 17:32:51

Before and after photos : Please look at EAgleRiderDirk as hers are pretty darned good too.

Londonmrss
Artificial sweeteners have always been a bugbear of mine : and the science is on my side.
They lie to your body.
They tell it that something sugary is about to be hitting the bloodstream so the enzymes get ready to digest / store it.
When it doesn't the body goes into a weird standby
so that when sugar DOES arrive, it leaps on it and hugs it away to round your waist
OK thats a bit simplistic
BUT sweeteners are lying to your system. THats not good for it.

Thanks tip - that's perked me up no end.
They're the best I could do as there's no before full body shot where I wasn't pregnant - because cameras are evil of course wink

It turns out I can't do a blow out if I try. As much as I have always loved Chilli beef I can't bring myself to eat a portion and seem to really fancy a thai soup as a starter. Oh well, its going to feel like a blow out and that's what matters!

BsshBossh Thu 25-Jul-13 17:52:40

Yes, I found Eagle's before and after photos very motivating. More please ERD!

vieenrose Thu 25-Jul-13 18:22:44

Hello everyone
I'm back from a long weekend and haven't had time to check all your messages, will do that later.
NSV for me during said weekend. I spent it at the seaside and for the first time in ages, I wasn't ashamed of my body and I was wearing a bikini. Of course, my tummy is a bit frumpy but my abs show through the lose skin and I don't care. I used to dread going to the beach, I hid myself in the water as quickly as possible and afterwards used to cover up asap.
This woe has truly changed my life. I feel much better about myself and as a result, my relationship with DP has greatly improved.
Good luck to all the fasters

Dotty342kids Thu 25-Jul-13 18:27:27

vieenrose that's just like me, I did the same too! I still have lots of "squodge" but considerably less than I used to have, and that's what matters until we get rid of some more grin

vieenrose Thu 25-Jul-13 19:22:52

dotty big grin to you too (I confess I can't seem to find the way to insert smiley)

Have just caught up a bit with the thread and bsshbossh, those photos are mightily impressive. Well done!

vieenrose Thu 25-Jul-13 19:29:03

just been further upthread and Betsy you look amazing too

Since there seems to be a surge of photos lately, I decided to join you! It's sideways, sorry, but I'm on my phone in a caravan in sunny Bognor and my technical skills are limited as a result.

Well done to today's fasters smile

BsshBossh Thu 25-Jul-13 19:58:47

postman you look fantastic! Can't wait to see a before pic too...

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Thu 25-Jul-13 20:01:26

NSV - my waist is down to 39" - a loss of 1.5" this week (though I lost nothing in the first two weeks). 1 more inch will move me down a category for waist to height ratio which is very pleasing.

Dotty342kids Thu 25-Jul-13 20:21:28

can't click on your username postmanpatcat........ not sure why!

Love it Eaglerider v inspirational! Just came on to say have had my dinner so fast day 4 is going brilliantly well so far. I've started a Christmas cross stitch ornament so that is keeping my mind busy. Have a two week staycation coming up , Dinner, bed and breakfast at posh hotel Sunday for anniversary. Then next week is Camp Bestival which will equal lots of festival food so after Sun am looking to damage limitation until 11 August. Oh and forgot afternoon tea tomorrow shock

Talkinpeace Thu 25-Jul-13 21:33:08

postmanpat - cannae see your piccies ....

tiggyhop Thu 25-Jul-13 21:34:47

BsshBosh invited me over to this thread. Starting 5:2 tomorrow with first fast day!

BsshBossh Thu 25-Jul-13 21:44:05

Postman's photos direct link:
www.mumsnet.com/Profile?nick=postmanpatscat&photos=p

Hi tiggy!

Lizzabadger Thu 25-Jul-13 21:44:14

Amazing weightloss pics, EagleRiderDirk. You are all giving me hope.

Lizzabadger Thu 25-Jul-13 21:46:06

You look so toned, PostmanPatsCat!

Talkinpeace Thu 25-Jul-13 21:51:59

PostmanPat : lookin' good grin

Dotty342kids Thu 25-Jul-13 21:57:04

wow, you look amazing too! It's putting my 1st loss to shame as am still overweight, flabby and in unhealthy BMI range sad

Talkinpeace Thu 25-Jul-13 22:00:43

Dotty
we are posting these pictures to show what CAN be achieved
and you can achieve it too
you just have to have faith in yourself
and this WOE is a huge jump in the right direction

BsshBossh Thu 25-Jul-13 22:13:28

Dotty you just have to keep going: persistence, patience, consistency. I keep going even when I don't lose for 4 months. Keep at it. <Bssh stating the obvious to Dotty who already knows all this> smile

BsshBossh Thu 25-Jul-13 22:33:46

Is anyone fasting tomorrow?

I'm driving back home to London tomorrow after a week away (eating too much) so thought I might as well fast. It's TOM week too so I need to offset that too.

HairyPotter Thu 25-Jul-13 22:34:48

Wow! Thanks to everyone who has posted photos! Very inspirational. I hope to be putting my own up by the end of the year.

My first FD at work today and it went really well. Soup at 2pm (86 cals) and chirozo and squash stew at 7.30 (264 cals) that plus 50 cals for milk brought me up to just over 400. Completed L2D1 shred as well. grin.

Tomorrow will be 2 weeks since I started my new regime. I'm hoping I might have lost another lb to bring my total to 5 but for the first time ever on a diet, I'm not going to be downhearted if I stay the same. <I may cry if I have put weight on mind you grin>

Good luck to all tomorrow's fasters.

JB30 Thu 25-Jul-13 23:17:55

I'm going to go for a mini FD tomorrow - can't manage on my normal 500 but will be looking to keep it under 1200 at upper limit. So I'll be joining you *Bssh*, in London at min but I'll be travell

JB30 Thu 25-Jul-13 23:23:36

Stupid phone! I was saying, I'll be heading home tomorrow evening, promised OH a Chinese on my way back so that's a challenge when fasting but I'll get something stir fry'ey and beansprouts instead of rice which I adore.
Having an ok nfd, around 1800-1900 but that's pretty ok considering I'm away and had to eat out. Only had 2 drinks and made relatively good choices.
Loving the before & after pics ladies. Need to take one myself soon and again in 2 months, would be lovely to see a difference - here's hoping!

houseforawinelover Thu 25-Jul-13 23:30:21

Hi! Never posted in 5:2 before but have been doing this woe for about 2 months and lurking like crazy blush. Iwanted to share that I actually made myself cry this evening when I fitted back into my "small clothes" which, if Im honest, I never thought Id wear again after DS1 arrived nearly 2yrs ago. Very happy to be down from a tight 14-16 to an easy 12-14 grin

curlydiamond Fri 26-Jul-13 00:01:01

Amazing pics everyone, totally inspirational!
I'll be fasting tomorrow, managed to leave eating til lunch (roasted red pepper soup with sweet potato wedges, yum) and had lush curry this evening (from supermarket so was easy to stay within TDEE). Managed to do short Kinect aerobic workout before bed, only burned 150 calories but it all counts!
Heading to in-laws tomorrow so need to fast to counteract the coming weekend - MIL is a fab cook and there's a serious amount of strawberries in her garden that need picking/eating (kids are going to have a ball) so won't be fasting again til Monday.

Good luck to tomorrow's fasters and those of you with kids off school running the snacking gauntlet x x

I would just like to say thanks again for pics. They are the best inspiration.

Made mini fairy cakes today on FD.
Did not lick spoon.
Did not eat cake.
Toddler DS ate two, dropped 4 off for DH at work and shoved the rest in tin.

Ate my soup and having early night, once I've written a tricky email that I've been putting off. Well done everyone fasting today and good luck Friday fast crew.

NotAsTired Fri 26-Jul-13 06:58:28

WI today. Lost 3 lbs. Woohoo. That makes up for no losses the last two weeks ( water retention due to totm and the heat). So that's 10 lbs loss in 8 weeks, now 8 st 2lb. 2 lbs to go.

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Fri 26-Jul-13 07:06:43

HouseForAWineLover that is fantastic. It's a meaningful difference. Well done flowers

Fab result, House!

I've just ordered a size 8 dress - I think it'll be too tight, but they didn't have any other size. So it will now be my official Target Dress.

thaliablogs Fri 26-Jul-13 07:33:30

Hmm. FD yesterday. Had small salad for lunch w 1/2 a boiled egg. An itsu detox soup w no noodles, and a tuna salad for supper. Then 2 Lindt balls, total calories 550. Should not really have had Lindt balls but was cleaning out my office all evening and got a bit desperate.

And this morning I weigh 12st 7. hmm hmm

I dunno. Will keep it up one more week til we go on hols, then maybe more straightforward calorie counting is more my thing, seems the up and down of this does not work so well for me as every nfd I just regain the weight lost on the FD.

Would love to be inspired by the pics, wondering if my metabolism just isn't suited to this? Or maybe it's my peri-menopausal age.

postman wow - fantastic bod!

nice work house

results of my dodgy week are in. no loss (obviously) but no gain either. 1/4inch off waist - another 1/4 and I hit the 50% height to waist ratio. am feeling positive and looking forward to getting back on it.

I also lost my control around wine . not sure why, I've been perfectly controlled around beer and Pimms. so I have decided I will allow myself a large glass tonight, topped up with diet lemonade in a pint glass. nicely refreshing for summer, still alcoholic but takes longer to drink!

good luck today's fasters

BetsyBell Fri 26-Jul-13 07:58:50

Thalia IIRC you've been doing this about a month? What was your start weight? Did you up your calories a bit some days? I remember you were eating quite far below your TDEE at first.

Maybe the 5:2 fasting (if you enjoy it) is something you could come back to as a maintenance strategy once you've got where you want with calorie counting.

Alternatively, to get some of the fasting benefits perhaps you could combine calorie counting with 16:8; I've been reading so many positive things about 16:8 it does seem like an easy route to keeping up the health benefits.

I've certainly had my fair share of plateaus along the way but admittedly not at the beginning - though maybe others have had similar experience and it still worked out?

PPC You look AMAZING! And no hiding behind lycra on your pic grin. What's your BMI there?

Dotty It's taken me nearly 2 years...

BetsyBell Fri 26-Jul-13 08:02:46

House Fabulous result, thanks for delurking to share smile

Right, I am meant to be Shredding, 2 kids have given me reminders and I've plonked myself down with MN instead. I ache, and thanks to not so small people having nightmares then taking up all the room in my bed I am now thoroughly under-slept. Yesterday was a fast day. I don't normally do exercise post-fast. Just waiting for the tea caffeine to kick in...

Dotty342kids Fri 26-Jul-13 08:14:15

Thanks for pep talk TIP, Betsy and Bssh. I managed to sabotage my fast day yesterday with two Mr Kipling mini apple pies at 9.30 last night! Oh dear!!!
Anyhooo, new day today and thinking about throwing a third fast day in to the week tomorrow but then DH said he was thinking about making curries. Might make it a mini fast instead (no breakfast, lunch or snacks, just a dinner).
House that's brilliant, nice to read your success now that you've delurked smile

Happy Friday everyone grin

BsshBossh Fri 26-Jul-13 08:23:46

Morning all my fellow fasters. I definitely need a detox after all my holiday eating so am looking forward to fasting today. Nothing until a light dinner tonight (poached chicken and broccoli).

Good luck today's fasters.

delilahmoo Fri 26-Jul-13 08:30:36

Superb pics everyone, very inspirational. No loss again here this week, still stuck on 3 lb in 7 fasts, hoping to shift 1 next week, going to start shred on Monday.

AngieM2 Fri 26-Jul-13 08:31:29

Not a regular poster but do lurk every day. 7th FD yesterday, came in at 349 calories. Lost another 2lb this morning so 7lb gone since starting on 3rd July. Very happy. Also changed my gym on 1st July which has meant I have been exercising a lot more (found a bit more love and enthusiasm). Going to spin this morning (god help me) and drinking gin tonight. Happy days.

thaliablogs Fri 26-Jul-13 09:19:53

betsy thanks for your thoughts, much appreciated! Yes it's been 4 weeks. I started at 12st9 although that was just pre period, which I am again now, so if we consider it parallel weight I am 2lbs down after 4 weeks and 8 fasts.

I am eating closer to tdee now on nfds, adding avocado to salad etc. so around 2000 on nfds, although it does vary, this week both tues and weds were at that level.

Dunno what is going on really.

i will keep going this week until we go in hols next sat, then do some 16:8 or 6:1 (or both) while we are away, and see where I am when we get back. After that we are moving and I am starting a new job. I get starving hungry on fds and find it hard to concentrate in the afternoons so not sure I will be able to do it in my first few weeks in a new job.

Really appreciate all the support, congrats to those who have found their magic bullet!

Lizzabadger Fri 26-Jul-13 09:36:03

BMI 22.4 on Boots official scales of shame (down from 23.6 or 7 a month ago)! Still look like a porker though as the fat sits as lumps on my thighs. Might go down to 5:2 from 4:3 soon and take my time getting to BMI 20-21.

BetsyBell Fri 26-Jul-13 10:26:15

Lizza That's where all my fat is as well but no one seems to think I'm a porker anymore... (my BMI's higher too). I think it takes time to change perceptions about ourselves, our mental image of ourselves is often out of date or distorted. Looking at photos of myself was the only way I really believed I'd properly lost weight.

Anyway, that might all be more about me than you! You sound like you're on track to shifting the excess smile

Thalia If I really knew that I definitely wasn't overdoing it on NFDs then I would have found it hard to stay motivated too. Hopefully this week will bring a sudden shift for you - quite common on these threads - nothing for weeks then 5 or 6lbs in one go! Enjoy your holiday and then see where you're at.

Angie You should be happy! smile

BMI in my pic is about 19.8 I think.

tired great loss, well done!

thalia I'm 45 so if I can do it, so can you!

BetsyBell Fri 26-Jul-13 10:53:36

Just having a ponder on term time (when I work part time in an active job and rest of time rush around loads) vs school holidays.

I work in the afternoons - I'm too busy to eat then but I've now remembered that this is naturally the time where, if I'm near my kitchen, I just want to pick and nibble - I used to work from home so it's easy to see how the weight went up and up.

I've been looking at what exercise I've done over the last few days of school hols and on paper it looks great, better than usual.

However, the bits where I've not been exercising or out and about I've been completely sedentary, literally lounging. All well and good - I need a break!

But I must remember that I can't expect to eat as much if I'm not on my feet. And it goes to show that being generally active, as opposed to occasional bouts of 'proper' exercise is an excellent way of burning calories.

I did also find that by saving up all my calories for one meal on yesterday's fast day (which I don't do in term time) that I did eat more, including some refined white carbs (pasta) which I usually omit, so in my mind, less nutritionally than usual. I consider white carbs to be a waste of calories - not that I don't eat them but I usually avoid like the plague on FDs.

So, this week, I've managed to maintain my weight, which is great, but it's felt tricker than when I'm busy and on the go.

BetsyBell Fri 26-Jul-13 10:58:23

PPC 45? Your body looks 25! Remind me, I know you're a runner - (marathons?), is that the majority of your exercise or do you do other stuff too? And if so, what? Because I'm totally going to copy your regime grin Not that I can do long distance - I can't break 5k barrier.

Also well done house, great willpower JB and here's to getting in that dress Melanie !

chirpchirp Fri 26-Jul-13 11:07:30

Due to delayed train this morning I couldn't get to boots when it was still quite and I have to go and face the scales of shame during the lunch time rush! Will report back after 1pm. Last weigh in 15st 10lb. If I can achieve 2lb loss I will officially have lost the stone and a half baby weight from almost three years ago grin.

betsy I've never done a marathon in my life and don't want to either! Longest is 10.5miles about 5 weeks ago, normal anything 5-10k. Sometimes, like yesterday, 40 mins on elliptical then 6k run, other times I run outside which is fairly flat.

I only work term time too and find it easier to eat less at home. I think it's because I can keep busy and eat when I want, IF I want, because I'm not obliged to eat around the school timetable!

NotAsTired Fri 26-Jul-13 11:13:38

Thanks, postmanscat. I think that's the most I've ever lost in a week. grin. Am doing 16:8 today.

You look great btw. smile

Good luck, chirp hopefully it's a positive result. You are very brave to do your WI in such a public space.

BetsyBell Fri 26-Jul-13 11:19:24

PPC You've given me hope then! I'm sure I can break the 5k barrier (or just run more often...) I do a lot of cycling too, though this never feels like proper exercise really. It's Itsa who's the marathon runner I think...

And, you're right, I just need to control myself when at home, be mindful about it.

Apologies for all the long posts everyone, I'm just trying to get myself in the right mindset. School holidays were always a danger zone for me before I started 5:2 and I don't want to undo my hard work for no good reason!

I'm doing 16:8 today (NFD) which means no more eating after 6.30.

thaliablogs Fri 26-Jul-13 11:41:17

betsy that nfd thing is the hard part for me. When I use Mfp it shows me my usual days are around 1800 if I am not being careful- extra calories come from chocolate which I usually over indulge in in the evenings. I eat pretty healthily, lots of salads and veg, very little red meat (less than once a week) no white carbs unless I am baking etc.. When I am careful and in the heat when i eat less, it's closer to 1400.

My tdee is 2300 even with only limited exercise, really I am in the moderate category. So I am struggling to get tdee up to 2000 cals, in the first 2 weeks it was more like 1400. So I've tried getting close to tdee and under indulging on nfds and neither seems to work!

So it feels to me like my body is really holding on to the weight for some reason, perhaps after years of being up and down the same 10lb weight loss!

Anyway, onwards and upwards, we'll see what the weekend brings.

ELR Fri 26-Jul-13 11:53:03

Morning all, fasted yesterday and managed to maintain my weight but not the low of under 10 from a few weeks ago! I'm really hoping to see that again at some point!
betsy I'm in the same boat with being active in the school holidays, I have literally been laying down reading all day yesterday and today. The kids don't want to go out they are just enjoying being at home in the pool and garden.
dotty I sabotaged my fast day yesterday with a pack of jelly tots and a mini flake around 9.30pm too, must be something about the time!!
bshhh what a fab set of photos!
Good luck today's fasters.....

somewherebecomingrain Fri 26-Jul-13 12:08:30

Hi all

Big news - my 75 year old Mil who is doing 5:2 religiously has
A) lost tonnes of weight, but get this
B) had an agonising snap in her bad knee and a few seconds later... it wasn't a bad knee any more! Her mobility has dramatically improved as a result - She can get out of chairs, and go to the shops without her stick.

Fasting today - why does coffee help so much?

BetsyBell Fri 26-Jul-13 13:11:21

Somewhere Wow, fab news for you MIL smile

Coffee helps because it's an appetite suppressant and gives you false energy! I love it (though can't drink it after 11am if I want to sleep at night sadly).

Just been clearing out a forgotten cupboard - found a tight fitting dress made for me aged 18... yup, it fits grin - bit dated now though wink

Why did I think I was such a fatty then? Idiot youth!

monster54 Fri 26-Jul-13 13:13:58

OH my ladies!!!

Looking AWESOME!!! eagle and PPC

INSPIRATIONAL!!!!

Woke hungry after FD and had coffee with coconut oil. Also green tea. Hunger more or less gone so I can have nice salmon and scrambled eggs once dropped toddler at preschool . Yay! Weighed in and now into the magic just under 150lb. Goal is 140lb.
So pleased.

tiggyhop Fri 26-Jul-13 13:53:29

First fasting day for me today!

chirpchirp Fri 26-Jul-13 14:01:27

Just back from boots. Got my 2lb loss and officially weight less than I did when I fell pregnant back in 2010. I'm still grossly overweight but this seemed like a bit of a mile stone!

Back at my desk enjoying my first food of the day. Next goal - get under 200lbs.

Hope you all have a good weekend.

Dotty342kids Fri 26-Jul-13 14:06:49

Well done chirp, that's great news and you should be very proud of yourself. Onwards and up / downwards!

JB30 Fri 26-Jul-13 14:41:21

On my way home now although it'll be probably close to 7 by the time I get there. FD is going ok, had light'ish lunch although did have some rice so it's definitely going to be a mini FD by the time I have dinner although I've decided no Friday night drinkies - been so bad over hols, clawing back some of the damage done

chirpchirp Fri 26-Jul-13 14:41:27

Thanks Dotty. Yes! Hopefully downwards.

JB30 Fri 26-Jul-13 14:42:22

Weill done Chirp! You must be thrilled. I know what you mean Betsy, youth is wasted on the young wink

Tommy Fri 26-Jul-13 14:45:06

would appreciate some advice - have been doing this for about 7 weeks and lost 8lb which I'm quite happy with and feel is probably a good way of doing it. Trouble is, this week I didn't lose and I feel irrationally cross and feel like chucking it all in confused

it's just about the motivation is't it? where can I find some?!

Talkinpeace Fri 26-Jul-13 14:59:19

Tommy Hang on in there.
Weight fluctuates. So weight loss will go in fits and starts. Please do not expect the graph to be a straight line.
Also remember that 5:2 is for far bigger health reasons than just weight loss ... those of us with no more weight to lose still do it because its good for your whole body.
Make sure you keep your fluids up, try to up your exercise, make sure you are getting plenty of veg and your body will suddenly decide to raid the fat stores and they will go away.
AND having done fasts, you are improving your blood chemistry every day.

Thalia
I'm still not clear what you are drinking during the day : you need to keep your fluids up, and caffeine is indeed great to suppress appetite

Great going chirp!

Tommy, this is a long-term approach. It's pointless worrying about what happened in one arbitrary 7 day period. 8 lbs in 7 weeks is excellent!

The Target Dress will be available for collection tomorrow at the Jaegar shop - I've stalked it for months. Saw it on the Style and Beauty section here about 2 months ago and thought it was gorjus but too spendy at £175. Then it was reduced to £99 in John Lewis sale. And finally now down to £75 -but only in an 8. Last dresses I bought from there were 10s. The 8s fitted - just - but the button-up fronts were a little taut, or the sleeves were too tight.

NotAsTired Fri 26-Jul-13 15:28:20

Thalia. Would it be helpful for us to look at your mfp food/exercise log to get an idea of what's happening? Only if you want to, of course. smile

Well done chirp and trucks - great losses!

Lizzabadger Fri 26-Jul-13 16:21:02

Thanks Betsy. I don't think it's my perception, unfortunately. I'm still a size 14 sad. I would really like to get back to my normal (till recent exam eating) size 10-12. I'm confident I will.

Well done Chirp and Trucks!

Thalia I am 44 and perimenopausal too. I think there is a degree of measurement error when we weigh ourselves (due to food in body etc.) that can mask real changes. For example I appear to have plateaued for a week in terms of the scales but I know I can't have, as I took in 8000 calories less than I needed. I expect this will show up in the next weigh-in or two. Maybe try taking waist/boobs/hips measurements as well as weight so there's more chance you will capture any losses?

chirpchirp Fri 26-Jul-13 16:33:24

Do you have a link to Target Dress Melanie? Purely on a being a nosey cow basis?!

I have one I picked up in the Monsoon sale roughly four years ago and have never fitted in it. I've thought about selling it a few times but it's really beautiful and I REALLY want to wear it one day. It's a size 12 but Monsoon tend to be pretty generous so more like a small 14. Perhaps I'll aim to wear it for my anniversary next April.

thaliablogs Fri 26-Jul-13 17:18:19

notastired that would be brilliant! How do I do that?

Ps I don't really log fluids on Mfp as mostly I drink water, black coffee and green tea. If I have juice on an nfd it's in there

Also, I can't find most of the strength and resistance exercises I do on Mfp so some of my workouts look a bit sparse!

silverbeetle Fri 26-Jul-13 18:09:40

Taken me forever to catch up on the posts and Ladies you ALL look bloody amazing thanks for sharing. It shows how realistic this WOL really is.
I may try and post some photos, trouble is I don't seem to have many before shots as I didn't like my photo taken blush but now I'm about 35lbs lighter it doesn't frighten me so much.

Just come back from a lovely weeks holiday in Whitstable where I drank, ate and snacked to my hearts content - felt so decadent. Don't tell Tip wink.
However as is to be expected the scales this morning showed a 4.5lb increase. So it's back on the wagon today with a nice fast, it weirdly feels so good to have hunger pangs again. Here's hoping I can shift it in the next week or so. I'm really hoping that as it went on so quick it will be equally quick in coming off again - fingers crossedhmm

Talkinpeace Fri 26-Jul-13 19:02:33

thalia you should log your fluids - to ensure you get the balance right and that there are no hidden calories

silver grin

NotAsTired Fri 26-Jul-13 19:12:26

I am SoTiredAgain on mfp, so send me a friend request. And change your diary settings so that friends can see the food and exercise log. Once you do that, we can have a look at what's going on, if anything.

And yes, all fluids should be logged too - although I am not so great at logging all my water intake. blush

NotAsTired Fri 26-Jul-13 19:15:30

Feel a bit icky. My mum bought DS some chips while we were out. He ate about 5 and got bored and yes, I ate the rest. Not a happy bunny. I had this whole internal monologue as well - in slow motion - but it did not stop me from picking one up and then the rest. angry at myself.

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Fri 26-Jul-13 19:24:11

Sounds like a mixed bag today in terms of success and concern.

I haven't lost anything more but I did have to victories.

1) I was at a buffet lunch and - through choice rather than self-control - I had 2 sandwich quarters, a cocktail-sized cheese sausage rollo(iykwim) and a cheese twist.

2) I was out for dinner and the only thing that tempted me was a starter: prawn salad. Normally, at that restaurant, I would have had at least 2 if not three courses.

In short, I am pleased because this shows a shift in my attitude towards food.

BsshBossh Fri 26-Jul-13 19:40:48

silverbeetle I'm back from a week on the coast too. Ate far too much. Also got TOM. Unlike you, I daren't weigh myself! However, have managed a good FD today as we were driving back and also DH fasted too so it was easy. Back to normal gym and fasting routine next week.

BsshBossh Fri 26-Jul-13 19:42:51

Helles those are even better victories than a number on the scale because it shows how much control you now have of your appetite. Well done!

BsshBossh Fri 26-Jul-13 19:43:58

tiggy how's your first day of fasting going?

silverbeetle Fri 26-Jul-13 20:36:50

Bssh hope it's not too bad when you jump on the scales. I must admit I had to shut my eyes and hold my breath before I looked at the reading. I was surprised that I hadn't put on more.

It's good to feel back in control again smile

thaliablogs Fri 26-Jul-13 20:37:40

talkinpeace how would there be hidden calories in black coffee, Green tea, water?

I drink water about every 5 mins so v tiresome to log.

I do log juice.

the target dress

For the nosey!

monster54 Fri 26-Jul-13 21:24:07

thalia I personally wouldn't log zero calorie fluids. Pointless.

Be conscious your getting your 2 litres. But logging absolutely everything drags you down and if your like me it's it what this wol is about....use mpf as a check to make sure portion control is in place.

Mm on his website advises a switch to ADF or 4:3 if things aren't moving? I 4:3 and it's slowly going. We all have different metabolising!!

monster54 Fri 26-Jul-13 21:24:38

*its not what

Thalia black coffee isn't calorie less. though they're only somewhere between 1-4. not sure about green tea. sort of depends how much your drinking them. I log my coffee and tea, but not water. can't be bothered with water!

monster54 Fri 26-Jul-13 21:25:57

Gorgeous mel love it!!!!

monster54 Fri 26-Jul-13 21:27:13

Coffee does also act as a diuretic so be careful to top up your water to compensate!!

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Fri 26-Jul-13 21:30:05

Pretty dress Melanie - very stylish.

I agree Thalia so I log a bottle of water as 2 cups and my, frankly enormous, cups of green tea as 2 cups. It's fairly easy to remember how many of each I've had.

If I recall correctly, coffee has a calorific content - though it is small, it might be worth logging. It might be cancelled out by stimulating the metabolism - I don't know.

Thanks Bssh I feel happy about it as I knew I needed to reset my eating habits. This woe is the only time I've been able to do that without a couple of weeks without food due to tonsilitis or a uti or something else unpleasant. Much nicer this way smile

alwaysanauntie Fri 26-Jul-13 21:31:23

Had a pretty good fast day here after a rubbish one yesterday (TIP avert your eyes! DD ill and I troughed a whole load of ice cream and chocolate cake blush also did the same day before blush blush). Just waiting for rump steak to cook and have with peppercorn sauce, new pots and salad. Manage to exert enough will power not to dig into the doritos and tzatziki though, so that's some progress!

Bssh love the new hair do, you look soooo young! Betsy I too am envious of the teeny weeny waist you have! I've been noticing a lot more since starting this woe what different shapes we all come in: some have massive boobs and little legs, some have the opposite, some carry weight around their waist, some on their legs, some are perfect hourglasses... and it's been quite a revelation as I too didn't appreciate my 18 year old, 8 stone, toned body (oh, to have it back again! May take some time...). Anyway, I guess the self-awareness only really comes with time and experience, at least we've all woken up to ourselves now and are taking control again.

somewhere great news about the MIL, chirp well done on reaching your first goal, take the positive feeling and channel it into loosing the next stone.

Happy weekend everyone! Enjoy some wines and be happy smile

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Fri 26-Jul-13 21:31:39

Green tea sometimes given as 1 but usually 0 calories.

alwaysanauntie Fri 26-Jul-13 21:34:21

melanie love the dress, quite retro - thanks for keeping us nosey ones happy!

Talkinpeace Fri 26-Jul-13 21:47:25

Thalia
Sussed it ..... I drink water about every 5 mins so v tiresome to log.
therein lies your problem.
You have to give your system a break. A proper chance to work out what its got and to digest it, even water.
So, have the same amount of water BUT
have it in a large glass not more than once every couple of hours
ditto other drinks ....
you NEED to have breaks on your intake of all sorts

Londonmrss Fri 26-Jul-13 22:05:58

Really? About the water? I haven't read that anywhere; I would never have thought that. How on earth would that stop you losing weight?

Talkinpeace Fri 26-Jul-13 22:15:27

less that its water than that its a steady stream of ANYTHING hitting the stomach so it does not get to finish its "wash cycle"
the whole principle is to allow your system to deal with a meal and then have a break

also, in one of DHs books about voice training, they were very clear that a large drink of water every now and then is much better for you than constant sipping
and he's found it works : a large drink at the start of a session is better than sipping ...

BsshBossh Fri 26-Jul-13 23:00:20

Successful FD completed. Only 6:1 this week due to holiday but back to 5:2 next week. No weigh in this week (also due to TOM). Have a good weekend all.

delilahmoo Fri 26-Jul-13 23:44:19

Well done ladies fasting! I have survived a day at the seaside with half portion of chips! tip what does your husband do? only asking as I noticed a earlier post mentioning something)

chirpchirp Sat 27-Jul-13 00:09:14

Lovely dress Melanie!

FD success even with a trip to the cinema. Looking forward to my porridge in the morning.

ELR Sat 27-Jul-13 07:54:24

Morning everyone, been up since 5.11am!! Goodness knows why as it was a nfd yesterday but I did eat around 5.30pm with nothing else so maybe that's why.
Love the dress mel.
bshh well done on getting to the end of a fast day in the holidays! I managed Monday but Thursday was a wash out, had around 1100 cal so a mini fast & 16/8 I suppose.
Well done chirp and delilah cinema and seaside with very good self control!!
Happy fasting everyone, have a good weekend!

JB30 Sat 27-Jul-13 08:20:51

Morning all. Managed a mini fast of about 900 cals. Caved a little, had some beer but only half a bottle - miraculous for a Friday, that's my normal night to break out. I am going to wait til Wednesday to WI again as my weight is up/down after my holiday so that gives a week to get a true picture of what 10 days piggery did! I've done 3 days of 16:8 with no brekkie but I think this morning I'm going to have something, eggy something I think. Awake since 6.15, ironing done, first load of washing done, back to reality!

Dotty342kids Sat 27-Jul-13 09:01:19

tip that's a really interesting concept about the water. I only ever drink water (always been like that) and find the idea of going a couple of hours without any really weird! Surely your body doesn't actually "digest" water in the same way as other foods / calorific liquids? I know I'd actually feel thirsty if I didn't drink for that long, no matter how large a glass I'd had two hours ago.......... do you have any further reading on this that I could take a look at? I'm intrigued smile

monster54 Sat 27-Jul-13 09:09:25

3 successful fasts done this week. Shredded for the first time yesterday and loved it!!!

1lb down 5 more to mini goal!!!

BsshBossh Sat 27-Jul-13 09:12:25

TiP I'm intrigued by the water theory too. I've Googled around and Mayo clinic states the "myth" that water dilutes stomach enzymes thereby interfering with digestion has been debunked by new research. But you may be talking about something else...

thaliablogs Sat 27-Jul-13 09:14:42

dotty I am with you. Also, I have found sipping from a big glass of fizzy water with lots of ice and a slice of lemon is one of the only ways I ca get through a FD, otherwise I am ll headachy and ragey.

When I was having all my ops for various infertility issues the very nice anaesthetist told me quietly I could ignore the nil by mouth for water as it is out of your stomach again in under 20 minutes so she said I could sip all morning until 30 mins before I went down to avoid cotton wool mouth. I'm sure that is desperately illegal but it worked for me and helped me feel much less sick when I woke up. S I honestly can't see how drinking water is going to make your body feel it is digesting anything. Plus given it has got no calories would this not help your metabolism? confused

monster54 Sat 27-Jul-13 09:32:19

I think tip has been confusing her water with vodka!!!

NotAsTired Sat 27-Jul-13 10:05:44

I have woken up feeling really lethargic, probably an overdose of carbs yesterday eve. Chips followed by cereal for dinnerblush. Ah well. It's not like it happens everyday.

So this evening is the big gala event of the year for our community. It's a great chance to catch up with everyone. I am really looking forward to it. Dress all lined up. Despite saying to bsshbosh to wear more colour, its a black dress grin. Got to sort out hair and nails and er, defuzzing.

Talkinpeace Sat 27-Jul-13 10:38:54

Its not water per se but all fluids. Look up about dealing with dehydration - which is of course the problem on fast days.
All the advice is that a single large drink is better than lots of small ones.
For the dieting thing its about telling your body to go into "deal with what you have, no more coming yet" mode.

After all a few months ago most of you were convined you could not go two hours without food grin

Dotty342kids Sat 27-Jul-13 10:58:30

I knew you'd compare it to the "going without food" thing tip grin.
I may try it on Monday (fast day) and see what happens!

Sounds like we've all been awake for hours! I was tossing and turning on my caravan bed, DP hardly slept either. It just can't compete with our kingsize memory foam at home!

Just back from a run around the Bognor suburbs, it's beautiful here.

Anyone fasting today?

tired have a lovely time tonight, bet you will get lots of compliments smile

tip can't possibly be talking about vodka or she's advocating drinking large ones in the day shock

plecofjustice Sat 27-Jul-13 11:18:39

SSV (semi scales victory) today. Securely in the healthy BMI category (24.7) this morning! 8.6 kilos lost since I started smile

carmella1986 Sat 27-Jul-13 11:21:18

This Diet is the worst diet in the WORLD for you to do. Yes its a quick way to loose pounds, you will only stay that way if you do it forever! As soon as you stop, you will pile the pounds back on, probably more than before as you are putting your body into starvation mode, anything you do eat will then be stored as fat. Its a quick fix but if you are looking to shed pounds quickly and keep it off choose the CLEAN and LEAN diet. Its brilliant and sustainable, on this diet you will loose 2lb per week steadily and you are not putting you body through the horrors of not eating then eating then not...etc etc. Its so bad for you.
QUICK FIX DIETS DO NOT WORK.
There are two clean and lean books out, read through them. There are recipes etc available from tesco i think its £7.99.
This is what i recommend, i am a nutritionist so understand these diets!
The other diet if you really are a hardcore dieter is the Paleo diet. This is a brilliant diet for loosing weight steadily and if you can maintain it then its brilliant and very healthy, but its cutting out wheat and dairy, which not many people (including myself) can do!!

Talkinpeace Sat 27-Jul-13 11:28:17

Carmella, I'm not trying to lose weight. I'm trying to reduce my long term risks of Diabetes, heart disease, stroke, Alzheimers and endocrine diseases.
IF is a long accepted medical method of dealing with them.
You need to read more medical papers and less books from Tesco.

carmella that's rubbish! Plenty of us have lost weight and kept it off. I won't bore you with statistics since I doubt you're truly interested hmm

Well done plecofjustice really pleased for you (and more proof that 5:2 works!)

Talkinpeace Sat 27-Jul-13 11:32:35

Plec Well done. That is an excellent line to have crossed.

BTW I drink a huge mug of tea or water every 1 1/2 hours and nothing in between.
I do not drink during swims or gym classes
but then have a full pint of water before eating (old WW trick)

24 threads in and someone thinks we may not know what we're doing hmm

NEWSFLASH: when you stop dieting you gain weight back if you revert back to your old weight gaining eating habits shock

and well done plec

that's a definite sv, not even an ssv!

thaliablogs Sat 27-Jul-13 13:04:59

plec I remember crossing that line on my big 3st journey 9 years ago - it's a wonderful day when that happens - congrats!

carmella the science behind clean and lean is just as open to interpretation as that for 5:2. It also involves calorie restriction which is the only proven way to lose weight, you are just restricting in a different way. The detox stuff on the clean and lean diet is largely nonsense, your liver is a very powerful detox machine and is not affected by more or less water, wheat and dairy, etc.. The stuff about many of us eating too much sugar is true. Too much simple carbs also true. They are also very calorie dense. But unless you are a diabetic they are not poison, and unless you have coeliac disease, neither is wheat.

Paleo, by the way, is even more scientific tosh in that it bears no resemblance to what our ancestors ate. It is a low-gi, low carb diet so if that works for you, fine, but the pseudo science of calling it paleo is really ridiculous.

Main issue for all of us is to eat a healthy mix of foods in amounts that our bodies need. And to exercise to keep our muscles working well as we age. Whatever helps you do that is a good thing.

thaliablogs Sat 27-Jul-13 13:07:36

tip am sticking to your method today will see what happens! Cup of black coffee 830-915 (I needed to savour it), cup if green tea at 1030 and another at 1230. No food yet, about to make a romaine and quails egg salad for lunch.

Clearing out the house today, it's a seemingly Herculean task.

silverbeetle Sat 27-Jul-13 13:11:31

Yay Plec good for you smile

Never thought this was a quick fix 'diet' Carmella, I don't even think of it as a diet, it's a life time change of eating habits. I think that's why it works as you don't feel deprived, it's a mental change. You don't think 'oh I can't have that I'm on a diet', you think more 'actually I don't want that today as I'm fasting and giving my body a rest, I can have it tomorrow if I still really want it'.
I feel great, look much better and am much healthier, my very high blood pressure is now back to normal without the need for medication. I'm not overweight anymore but continue with this WOL because it makes me feel healthier and it doesn't cost me a penny.

I studied the sciences for many years and I have to say it all makes sense to me. The proofs in the pudding, still everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

Londonmrss Sat 27-Jul-13 15:14:21

How srange that you would come on her and criticise a method of weight loss which a group of people are helping and supporting each other. What an odd thing to do. Unless you are trying to sell us something? If not, you should probably head back to the paleo forum because we've made a different choice.

BsshBossh Sat 27-Jul-13 17:14:56

ignore spam poster do a search on her name and she's selling stuff. Have reported.

nicely researched bssh
tbf I switched off after I'm a nutritionist. did it say 'I'm a nutritionist who's earning potential is being damaged badly by people figuring out they don't need nutritionists'? wink

virginposter Sat 27-Jul-13 18:52:29

ERD grin

Well done Plex!

I kept myself motivated during this mornings park run with thoughts of fitting into The Dress. Collected it this afternoon, in trepidation tried it on, and........it fits!!!!!

Will see if I can put a photo up later, but I'm having a wonderful Saturday :-)

JB30 Sat 27-Jul-13 20:24:57

Delighted for you Melanie lovely dress, it was

JB30 Sat 27-Jul-13 20:26:08

Christ this phone! As I was saying, that dress was obvs your destiny, well may you wear it wink

ELR Sat 27-Jul-13 20:27:13

My best friend is a dietician in the nhs and she is doing 5:2 says its the best diet she has ever done! She is just carefull not to be over enthusiastic at work due to a lack of extensive research.

Talkinpeace Sat 27-Jul-13 20:28:50

Melaniecheeks WELL DONE
ELR logically, every well read person will switch to it soon ....

Just had a "normal" dinner with DH, and discovered that our M&S dine in for a tenner choices would comfortably fit a Fast Day.

Chicken breast with mozzarella and sun dried tomato - 270
Mediterranean veg - 75 cals

And absolutely delicious!

JB30 Sat 27-Jul-13 21:02:45

It's amazing how many nice meal fit in with FD numbers, I often more than surprised at what I can have. I can't understand how anyone would do the whole points thing, half a place of this & that. Each to their own of course, but I prefer mine (smug face if you can visualise wink)

Managed to put some photos on my profile of me trying on the dress. I should head over to Style and Beauty to ask about shoes, shouldn't I.

Talkinpeace Sat 27-Jul-13 21:43:44

gotta make it public - or give us the direct link .... :-)

Aha, thanks! Think I've done that now.

Talkinpeace Sat 27-Jul-13 21:57:23

Melanie
You look FAB - three dress sizes down .... Need some real killer heels with that !

BsshBossh Sat 27-Jul-13 22:28:57

Looking terrific Melanie!

thaliablogs Sun 28-Jul-13 00:28:51

Wow melanie you look amazing. Well done!

chirpchirp Sun 28-Jul-13 01:45:19

You look fantastic Melanie. As for heels I'd go for a pair of nude patent courts http://r.ebay.com/zXYcxQ.

chirpchirp Sun 28-Jul-13 01:45:45

sorry to jump in without having said much for a while but had to share this mornings scale reading - 9.13.6 grin

i'm so only just in the 9's it's untrue and no doubt won't stay there but it was very good to see.

yay! go saf

Hooray for saf !!! I was just thinking yesterday that we'd hear that you were in the 9s any day now!

Cat98 Sun 28-Jul-13 08:37:37

Brilliant swallowedafly and everyone else who is doing well!

I'm seriously chuffed. Only 1 lb away from target! And dh and I went to stay with a relative and she asked what we had been doing because we both 'look fantastic and so fit'!

I was a bit concerned about that skipping breakfast research but having read that they didnt control for unhealthy snacking I'm less worried.
Need to think about switching to maintenance soon I think! A bit scared though in case the lbs creep back on.

BsshBossh Sun 28-Jul-13 09:30:23

Well done saf and cat. Cat the lbs will creep up and down as you maintain but you have the tools and knowledge to maintain at a healthy range so it actually doesn't matter. You can throw in extra fasts or mini fasts or... you know the drill smile

cat I've lost 7lbs since reaching my target in early May, so don't worry too much about maintaining! I'm not even fasting much at all now, but do 16:8 about 2-3 times a week instead.

angelabbie Sun 28-Jul-13 10:05:37

MC the dress is really lovely but what on earth were you doing dancing with Chris Hollins, am very impressed!!

Good going SAF!

Ha, Chris was guest of honour at a Clic Sargent ball back in 2010 - one of the auction prizes was first dance with him, which I won! He's absolutely charming - he said "Shall we do a waltz?" I said, "I think we need something a bit more up-tempo - I can do a bit of salsa", and he said "Oh crikey I haven't done salsa since week 3!" We looked at the band, they said "Shall we play Valerie?" and we said "Go on then, we'll busk it!"

So we did.

Cat98 Sun 28-Jul-13 10:36:42

Thanks both! I'm going to try alternate weeks on 5:2 and 6:1 for a while and see how I get on! Feel v good though grin

BetsyBell Sun 28-Jul-13 11:48:20

Looking fabulous melanie - very Mad Men!

saf & cat Woohoo!

Accidentally had a ludicrously low eating day yesterday - started with a huge breakfast then nothing then some gazpacho type soup for supper. As a result I am ravenous today!

Holding out for lunch (no snacking grin) rather than diving into the fresh baked bread as what I really want is protein, and lots of it.... chicken bits marinading away ready to pop into the oven as soon as it's socially acceptable to feed the family.

If it were just me I'd be chomping away at those chicken drumsticks already.

thaliablogs Sun 28-Jul-13 12:02:48

melanie that's a great story I would have shuffled around looking embarrassed!

Weigh in (the official one!) yesterday put me at 12st 4 so back to where I was 2 weeks ago, not too bad as TOM due any day from the feel of it.

Had what I thought was a huge dinner last night as we were cooking for friends, but seems big but not awful now I have put it in Mfp. Lunch was good, I skipped breakfast and didn't snack so whole day is safely below tdee.

Think I will fast today as next week is very hectic and we leave for hols on Saturday. Been to the gym and done some very challenging interval training so feeling quite virtuous. Now back to clearing out the house!

thaliablogs Sun 28-Jul-13 12:06:09

Ps on Mfp I notice I seem to be very low on iron and calcium in my diet, should I be taking a multi vitamin do you think or adjusting the diet?

Those sort of details aren't terribly accurate, I wouldn't use the MFP database to count them. Do you think you might be low on iron or calcium?

Fd today, had porridge for lunch with some raspberries. Not been feeling too well so have been putting off fasting this week though trying to eat lightly. I had to go clothes shopping yesterday for an interview and was so embarrassed to have to buy a size 18 jacket hmm. Onwards and downwards I guess.

thalia I take multivits and Feroglobin as a precaution - can't do any harm, I figure!

thaliablogs Sun 28-Jul-13 13:47:01

melanie my usual rule is that given I eat a fairly healthy and varied diet, I don't worry about taking vitamins, only did it when I was ttc and pregnant etc.. But the figures on Mfp were so low (18% of recommended) that it made me wonder. I think for calcium I used to eat a 0% total Greek yogurt w fruit for breakfast, but have been skipping breakfast on this WOE so a big part of my calcium has gone given I don't take milk in tea or coffee. Iron it had never really crossed my mind.

Dotty342kids Sun 28-Jul-13 16:12:12

melanie you look amazing in that dress, well done!

And saf great to hear your news too - ignore any pesky bounces back into the 10's as you know they'll only be temporary (assuming you have any at all!).

Fast day for me tomorrow and once I'm back from zumba (where I have to sip water unless!) I'm going to try out TIP's "only drink a large glass of water every 1.5hrs instead of constant sips* thing and see what I think of it smile

Emmabryant123 Sun 28-Jul-13 16:31:28

Fast day tomorrow. Looking forward to it.
Lunch: cup a soup
Dinner: ham and egg salad.
Two slices ham, one boiled egg, cucumber, cherry toms, pickled red cabbage, white onion, tiny bit of coleslaw . That leaves me at 395 calories.so will think of something else to have lol
Have made some tuna sandwiches for work on Tuesday already for lunch yum yum.

Dotty342kids Sun 28-Jul-13 16:34:36

Fast day for me too. Nothing till teatime then moroccan chicken plus a little bit of couscous. Comes in at approx 450 cals including the couscous by my reckoning smile

i'm having a weird one where i actually had to force myself to eat half a can of beans (couldn't face anything else) in the end today. had eaten too little over the last couple of days to just turn it into a fast. going to try for eggs and beans and sausages later or some such protein dense combo.

i go through rare periods of just not being able to face eating but knowing i need to. then again i also go through periods of knowing i need to stop bloody eating but not being able to grin

good luck to all fasters today. and thanks for well done and woo hoos. because i've been undereating and overdrinking i doubt this is sustainable 9somethings but at least i've had a glance and know it is possible.

also had a lot of exercise of the only pleasurable variety of late so that might have aided things. tmi obviously grin

Random FD today as DH in office, just done shred and 20 lengths of local pool, feel ok but a bit spaced out.

Ps love Melanie in nice frock!

ELR Sun 28-Jul-13 17:18:06

swallowed ha ha that always causes weight loss! I always know when one of my single friends has a sudden drop in weight!

i also find it's the only thing that really changes your shape and sorts the tummy out. can't fault it really.

thaliablogs Sun 28-Jul-13 17:39:17

Really suffering this afternoon, headachy and feel nauseated. Think it must be this salts imbalance thing from swearing loads on a fast day, although I consciously put feta on my lunchtime salad to get a bit of salt. What does everyone else do to keep in balance?

Thalia have mental image of you swearing your salt away grin I tend to have a cup of Bovril, or if really bad an oral rehydration drink.

thaliablogs Sun 28-Jul-13 18:04:03

Ha just realised typo above swearing=sweating! Might be better the other way round though!

saf great loss , I also hit 9 st 13 on my WI this week which Im thrilled with( wanted to be 9 stone anything before I went on my holiday mid August) . TMI but im TOM anyday now so I know that Ill be 10 st again next week ! BUT i know now that my new target is not too far away now which just motivates me even more. Am loving all the photos of all the beautiful people! so motivating and I MIGHT even put before/ after of myself once I get to my happiest weight.

Talkinpeace Sun 28-Jul-13 18:17:36

thalia
you only need salt over and above what is inside normal food if you are exercising HARD for HOURS at a time in EXTREME heat
we need MUCH MUCH less salt than we realise
sweating exudes as much salt as it does water : unless you were getting clinically dehydrated

there is salt in butter, bread, cheese and most processed food more than enough for the normal person without adding any more at all

I go back to my point earlier, you need to 'manage' your fluid intake, ignoring the stuff in the press about athletes and listening to your body - and giving it the gaps in input to talk to you

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Sun 28-Jul-13 18:30:45

Horrendous blowout this weekend - 3 days of calories (many liquid) in two days has left me reaching for the gaviscon.

I'll be glad to get some sleep tonight and I fancy having an extra fast next week cos I feel rotten. Especially at the thought that this weekend's glut was a standard weekend until quite recently.

I managed to shred yesterday though not today due to exceptional fragility so that's something to look forward to tomorrow.

3 days later and I'm back in the swing and have regained control of the eating and wine . can't 100% say I'm looking forward to tomorrows fast but I'm going to give it the best shot I can. I am looking forward to hitting the elliptical trainer and bike again though, just have to hope ds doesn't want to fight napping!

hope you've all had great weekends and will see you fellow Monday fasters on the other side wink

berri Sun 28-Jul-13 19:28:31

Hello all, been lurking for a while and about to start my 4th week - I just had a question though if someone has 2 mins to answer...

On NFDs are you meant to make sure you roughly hit your TDEE, or make sure you stay under it as much as possible? I seem to see different views on this.

I haven't lost a huge amount of weight yet so I was wondering if this might be something I should check!

Many thanks in advance.

theWookiesWife Sun 28-Jul-13 19:41:11

Hi - newbie here !! 5'8" 165lbs and want to be 147lbs !! Think this 5:2 could be just the kick start I need ! Have also been on MFP for a while ... But stuck in a rut ! So pleased I was told about this site !!!
Some brilliant tips on here !! Thank you all !!!

BsshBossh Sun 28-Jul-13 19:42:05

Welcome berri. Quite a few of us here take a weekly view - eat under TDEE on week days (though not by too much - you need to have a good difference between FD and NFD cals to trick the body) and over on weekends. But if that doesn't suit you then just eat as close to TDEE as possible on all NFDs.

BsshBossh Sun 28-Jul-13 19:43:21

Hi Wookie, you're in good company here smile

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Sun 28-Jul-13 19:48:43

Been trying a few different tdee-calculators and, though most say 2013, one which requires me to enter body fat percentage says 1797.

What's that about? Does anyone know whether I should cut my daily calorie target to that?

theWookiesWife Sun 28-Jul-13 19:48:57

Hi BsshBossh ! I'm Feeling positive - so that's a good start ! Will keep checking in for tips and inspiration !! &#128516;

JB30 Sun 28-Jul-13 20:01:59

Aborted FD here. Knew this morning when I woke it wasn't going to happen. Adf was possibly a stretch too far for this week. No matter, as is the beauty of this WOL, tomorrow is another day and will be an FD as usual. Have had some terrible cravings for certain foods since I'd been away, I can safely say I have managed to hit them all in the last 5 days, quite proud really grin Indian, Chinese, Thai, Italian and ehhh chip shop?
Aiming for a 4:3 next week which naturally gives me 3 x 16:8 but will aim to do another 2 x 16:8's in addition. And of course, no snacking wink
Here's to another week, can't believe it's getting into August and I'm going into my 3rd month of this, havent stuck to anything this long in years. Such a pity I gave myself a setback with hols, but that's life

thaliablogs Sun 28-Jul-13 20:22:24

tip thanks for taking so much interest in me! I have not been drinking tonnes today although did drink a litre of water at the gym, honestly I know that without that I get really unwell. Between getting home from gym at 11 and 5pm I just had 1 large glass of water and one big cup of green tea, as well as my salad for lunch, yet I felt like shit all afternoon, on verge of throwing up a few times. I don't think I was dehydrated as pee normal etc., and so was just going on some earlier advice re exercise on a fast day (with no bread, butter, cheese etc except the feta I mentioned) that salts might get unbalanced. I do not eat any processed food as a rule, and esp not on a fast day!

I don't usually have this headachy problem on an nfd. And I don't worry about salt balance when I am eating normally.

If that's not the answer not quite sure what to do. I am feeling better now and have had dinner (felt better before dinner) w one large glass of water. Honestly I am listening to you, it's just I need to figure out what is going on with me as I am experiencing thins that I have not previously dealt with. I am also a scientist so it is in my nature to seek to understand!

Will keep going, glad to have another FD under my belt

Talkinpeace Sun 28-Jul-13 20:39:40

thalia
Glad to know you are analytical too.
5:2 works really well for lots of people
Understanding why it does not work for some people will give the greater insights as to why it does.

Some day we will work out why mintyy fails to lose weight while doing everything right month after month ....

Your headaches and hydration are another interesting conundrum that will be useful to review for those just learning to listen to their bodies

as that is the really "big picture" in all this

Dotty342kids Sun 28-Jul-13 21:00:19

ooh hitc that's brilliant, well done! And saf [embarrassed]

Dotty342kids Sun 28-Jul-13 21:00:41

or blush even!!

Talkinpeace Sun 28-Jul-13 21:22:44

Helles
Use the TDEE calculator on the OP : its the one we've settled on as being the most realistic.
Body fat measures - unless done by a proper full body scan are a bit 'finger in the air'
And yes, eat up to your TDEE on average during the 5 days : so a bit low on a couple of days allows more relaxed and wine weekends
its very useful to make a not of what your TDEE will be at your target weight to know how little you'll need to eat then .....

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Sun 28-Jul-13 21:58:38

Thanks TIP it just seems like so many calories!

Having said that, the reason I'm not losing much may well be that I habe gone over my tdee 9 times in 3 weeks. NFD's - weirdly - are more difficult than fd's.

Talkinpeace Sun 28-Jul-13 22:06:58

try for always 10% below and then if you slip then you have leeway
also, overestimate the calories in your food
and underestimate the calories you burn through exercise

wrigglebum Sun 28-Jul-13 22:07:35

Very indulgent last few days as we had family to stay and it was DS's birthday. Party on Friday, out to cinema (though only had water and two Cadbury fingers- couldn't fancy any more than that, a big change for me), Thai takeaway yesterday then birthday lunch and cake tonight! As I result I'm really looking forward to fasting tomorrow.

I had lots of family and friends at the party say I'm looking really slim (i hadn't told them about being on 5:2) which felt great as I don't feel that I look different and my clothes aren't really looser. I have lost nearly a stone since March, 8lbs from cutting out rubbish and nearly 5lbs on 5:2 (although not sure where I'll be after the weekend)!

As I've lost weight it's made me want to tone up a bit, so inspired by lots of you plus plenty of others on MN, I did the shred tonight. The abs killed me, but I coped better than I thought and actually felt really energetic after, but I'm shaking now and can tell I'll be sore tomorrow. Can't see I'd manage it every day but 3-4 days a week should be achievable. Once I've got used to it a bit more I like the look of lots of the other JM exercise DVDs to mix it up a bit (especially if I can find them on YouTube grin).

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Sun 28-Jul-13 22:16:41

I'm not including exercise calories TIP it somehow seemed slightly dishonest to include them rather than focussing on controlling calories in.

I usually weigh any food not in portions and use the scanner whenever possible rather than rely on what people have typed in.

Going 10% below would give 1812 a day to aim for.

HellesBelles396IsDeeplyUncool Sun 28-Jul-13 22:19:23

WriggleBum adding extra stretches should help with shakiness and achiness.

If you are into dvd's and have Darcy Bussell's pilates one there is a very good ten minute stretching session on there. The whole dvd is a good rest day option.

wrigglebum Sun 28-Jul-13 22:48:58

I don't have any exercise DVDs at all, but I do quite fancy a Pilates one so thanks for the tip Helles. I used to do a fair amount of exercise and weights workouts (I really love body pump), but just don't get the chance now with the boys. And I love a good stretch- should've been a cat!

Shakiness is going now and I'm feeling good! Wonder what effect this'll have on my fast tomorrow.

Just back from hols, marking place x

hopefulgum Mon 29-Jul-13 00:01:24

Hello. I am a newbie here. Today will be my first fasting day. I am excited, but a little worried that I won't cope with the hunger. I had a BIG weekend of eating and drinking and I think my body really needs this today, so I hope I will make it. I have planned to skip breakfast and have some soup (around 200 calories) for lunch, then some tuna and steamed vege for dinner. My DH has decided to do it too.

I have read the book (Michael Moseley book) and although I love the idea of it being for my health, I am really keen to lose some weight too. I lost about 10 kgs last year on a Paleo diet, and I plan to stick with the Paleo WOE but intermittent fasting sounds like a good idea (Paleo is very pro IF) too. My BMI is 29 and I really need to lose another 10 kg to get into the healthy BMI range. Unfortunately I have been overweight most of my adult life, so it I am not sure my body really wants to let go of that muchhmm. Is it realistic to hope to lose that much doing 5:2?

There's so much to read on Mumsnet about the 5:2, it looks like there's a huge amount of support.

Any ideas about ttc whilst doing the 5:2? I believe it to be safe, and of course if I get a bfp I will reconsider.But I do think some weight loss would be beneficial for ttc and if I do get pregnant (very slim chance as I am 46 years old).

Looking forward to reading loads moresmile

berri Mon 29-Jul-13 01:33:39

Thank you Bssh smile

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 29-Jul-13 01:46:53

Good luck, Hopeful! Are you posting in the middle of the night in anticipation, or are you in a different time zone (as I am)?

People, I had such an ugly weekend of eating. Fine during the day - finally getting better at getting some low GI protein breakfasts - but the evenings. Oy, the evenings. I drank too much, ate things I wasn't hungry for, the works. This morning I weighed myself out of morbid curiosity (yes, obviously, I KNOW) and I was back up to 62.5, which is where I was after a whole week of bad eating a fortnight ago, which means that I have yet again undone two weeks of eating well in a couple of days. And I know it'll come back off quickly, a lot of it is water weight etc (AF is to blame here too), but this is beyond a joke now; I first hit my "intermediate goal" weight of 60kg on 4 June, and I have basically just maintained since then.

I feel like I post this post at least once every couple of weeks, and since madness is doing the same things and expecting different results, I need to do different things.

So, I hereby pledge that Sunday - through - Wednesday will all be alcohol free days. I'm going to go back to my old diabetic management materials (I had GD with both girls) and stick to low GI/high protein as much as possible, and START EXERCISING AGAIN.

Because I want to look like you, postmanpatscat, and you Bsshbossh, and you Melanie and you ERD and you Betsy.

berri Mon 29-Jul-13 02:21:07

I'm in the USA at the mo Tortoise, what about you? smile

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 29-Jul-13 02:33:50

Australia.

Started an unplanned Sunday fast at 5.30am and became very, very exhausted mid afternoon so quickly ate 500 calories of protein based stuff - mini crust less quiches, some ham and cheese - felt much better. DS was a bit ill and breast fed for 4+ hours which was v draining. I also did shred and 20 min swim while fasting this morning.

Once he went to bed I was hungry again and thought 'nah, it's not a fast day, it's a 16:8 day' so made chicken, broccoli, mushroom, garlic in curry sauce. It was v nice and today ended up being about 1400 calories.

As DH is off work for next 2 weeks and we are staying at home I might not do full fasts and just skip breakfasts and do morning workouts every day whilst staying low-carb/gluten-free while we are on holiday. Then get back to proper asting once DH back at work.

How has everyone else managed/planned for family holidays? Do you do 16:8 or forget fasting or keep as you were?

hopefulgum Mon 29-Jul-13 03:54:20

Tortoise I am also in Australia.

So, it is almost 11 and the fast hasn't killed me yet! I feel fine, have been busy doing housework and drinking a lot of tea. I am guessing I should also drink some water?

I have had a growly tummy but it isn't bothering me.

I am looking forward to my late lunch thoughsmile

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 29-Jul-13 04:01:29

Ah, you're in WA. Yes, drink water.

12.30pm here (SA) and have had my late morning skim latte. Feeling a bit uninspired about dinner, though. Usually I happily alternate between 3 different FD dinners which I invented to come in around 250-300 cals each, but I'm sick of all of them. I can actually go to 350cals now that I'm settled into a routine of 140 cal during the day (two skim milk drinks, one morning one mid afternoon) and the remainder for dinner, and DH is off the wagon so he doesn't care.

What's everyone else's favourite FD dinners?

Go tortoise you can do it! I'll join you in a fast today (2 weeks til hols). I'm going to have to be creative with my exercise as I'm off work but am minding DP's 4yo while he's at work so can't get out to the gym or run unless we take turns in the evenings. It is 4:48 AM and my gym is open so why am I lying in bed wishing I was asleep, I should be making the most of this opportunity!! (No chance!)

tortoise its sweet but you don't want to look like me, I. about 15kg heavier than you are shock . that's after loading a good 20kg too...

I'm in for today's fast. gonna get on my elliptical/cycle later as soon as ds decides its nap time. could be any time really!

Dotty342kids Mon 29-Jul-13 07:06:59

Morning all, fasting Monday plus zumba class for me as usual! Favourite fast day dinners for me are things like chicken or fish in Moroccan / curry type sauces often bulked up with protein friendly foods like chickpeas or lentils. If I'm feeling lazy then an easy standby is quorn sausages + pile of veg or baked beans.

somewherebecomingrain Mon 29-Jul-13 07:18:08

Hey hopefulgum waves! How are you? This woe is great - v flexible. Tough at times but this thread is enormously helpful.

I'm fasting today. Don't feel like it but have put on a pound and have wedding on Friday.

Won't bore u with my soup/ready meal meal plan. But will be on here for moral support. Gonna use coffee judiciously to make it as fAr thu the day as poss.

Gilbertus Mon 29-Jul-13 07:49:59

Had a bad week eating wise with too much alcohol, lots of parties and ice cream blush not going to weigh today but try to fast
Am completely out of the fasting mindset and hoping to remotivate myself today.

BsshBossh Mon 29-Jul-13 07:55:05

FD Monday - my first ever looking after 5 yo DD all day by myself over the long school summer holiday. She used to go to a childminders over holidays but now I work from home flexibly I can look after her (which is lovely). We've got lots to do today (she'll be in my gym's kids club whilst I exercise, then the park, then home for lunch, then she's got a swimming class) so fingers crossed fasting isn't difficult. I see today as a test grin.

Dotty342kids Mon 29-Jul-13 08:20:39

Ah, you can do it Bsshbossh. I find what helps is, whilst the kids are eating their lunch / tea, I do the prep for whatever our fast day dinner is! Keeps me occupied and looking forward to whatever yummy things we're eating for our tea. So, this morning whilst DD chomped her way through a croissant I got all the ingredients out for our tea later and whilst they have their roast chicken and veg at tea time I shall be cooking our Moroccan chicken to have later this evening smile

frenchfancy Mon 29-Jul-13 08:32:34

Could be an interesting fast today. I'm camping for a couple of days which normally means lots of beer and peanuts. We had family staying last week so didn't manage to fast. I tried to do 16:8 but that basically meant skipping breakfast and didn't reduce the amount of wine I drank or cheesecake I ate. My body definitely needs a rest.

I'll give the kids hot dogs for lunch and I've packed a Aubergine and lentil curry I had in the freezer for dinner (yum).

wrigglebum Mon 29-Jul-13 08:33:25

Tortoise- meals with prawns, chicken or egg are great for fast days- I found one online called Tuscan eggs that is delicious and you can adjust the number of eggs you have depending on how many calories you've had in the day. The other day I did baked salmon with a half teaspoon of pesto and some roasted veg which was great. Soups are pretty good too.

I think it must be harder to do this in Oz as you guys don't have the easy ready meals in the same way as the UK. If we're bored of fast day foods there are loads of ready prepared calorie controlled M&S meals etc. Oz has better food generally and lots of healthy options but portions are massive. I put on 5kg in about two months after we moved to Australia and had to work really hard to get rid of it. I do miss lots of the food in Australia but I was glad to get back to English cadburys smile.

hopefulgum Mon 29-Jul-13 08:55:46

I had a "ready meal" soup for lunch, which was great cos I knew exactly how many calories it is (183). And it was very yummy : red lentil and tomato soup (there are a few different ones to try all under 200 calories, so I will get some more for fast days). Was so good after skipping breaky, but felt I could have eaten another bowl full! I guess my stomach may take a little while to get used to this.

I will steam some vegetables to go with the little tuna steak (will also steam it). I am guessing I can a few vegies? Would a cupful be enough? According to Myfitnesspal a cup is only about 60 calories, does that sound right. I won't be having potato, probably carrots,broccoli and brussel sprouts.

Londonmrss Mon 29-Jul-13 09:02:14

Hello everyone, I am generally lurking for motivation and trying to get to know who you all are. I've done 2 weeks of 5:2 (although I did a 4:3 last week) and having another fd today. I didn't dare with myself in week one (or four the last 10 years) but I did last Monday morning and I have lost 5lb since then! Obviously it's early days so a lot is water, but it's still nice to see the numbers going in the right direction. Just another 2 Stone to go!
Have you all tried other diets before? Why do you find this one works? So far, for me I think it's a matter of motivation. I can be prone to quite obsessive behaviour but being extreme just a couple of days a week gives me the motivation to be pretty sensible the rest of the time without going overboard and either overeating or undereating the rest of the time.

Londonmrss Mon 29-Jul-13 09:04:57

and by the way those of you who have posted photos look fantastic. Truly inspirational.

outtolunchagain Mon 29-Jul-13 09:15:24

Hello , I'm back again after the end of term madness and holiday away.Am fasting today but took dog out to wood this morning and have just had a boiled egg for breakfast .

Amazed at all the success stories smile

BetsyBell Mon 29-Jul-13 09:15:59

Tortoise I'm 62.5kg on a good day! But yes, exercise and not drinking in the week certainly helps slim down the midriff - good habits to get into anyway.

Come and join the Shred/IF thread that monster started recently!

hopefulgum I rely on the fact that you can have a huge plateful of veg and salad leaves for very few calories! I need the visual of a full plate to be satisfied. Like you I usually have it with some fish but baked in foil with lots of ginger, garlic, lime juice, chillies, I quite often cook some of the veg in with te fish too (leeks, fennel, a couple of cherry tomatoes)... the spice and zing of the added extras, which can be drizzled over the veg too, elevate from low calorie nutrition to WOW! and after a fast day might feel like the best thing you've ever eaten!

I think I'd better get some salmon out the freezer to defrost for my fast day dinner!

Well done on your loss so far londonmrss !! Glad this is working well for you. I think my mindset is quite similar to yours - couldn't bear to be 'on a diet' all the time but can fast two days a week quite happily.

BetsyBell Mon 29-Jul-13 09:27:03

londonmrs I lost the bulk of my weight by being more careful with what I ate and moving around more - and keeping a food/exercise diary. I got a bit stuck after a 16 months of that so picked up 5:2 and found it shifted much of the rest of the weight pretty easily, and more importantly, allows me to maintain a weight I'm happy with fairly easily. It's calorie restriction without the hardship!

There's high cholesterol and type 2 diabetes lurking on both sides of the family so the health benefits of 5:2 were exactly what I was looking for. Feeling healthier encourages me to exercise more too - I hardly ever have that sluggish feeling that was so familiar when I was 50lbs heavier.

sausages51 Mon 29-Jul-13 09:33:54

Oh oh.....last Thursday reached an all time low of 14st 9 after starting out at 16st 12 March 2012, (lost 11lbs until Jan 2013 when I started this WOL). So had lost 1st 1 since then. BUT just had a long weekend in Sheringham-this morning after eating + drinking freely (copying my husband I might add!) This morning am....15st1! But strangely am not discouraged because a) it was a treat b) I don't feel 6lbs heavier, and c) I am intrigued to see what happens tomorrow morning after today's much-needed fast. I shall post tomorrow, and after the next 2 fasts to evidence what I anticipate will be positive results. I say all of this to encourage any disheartened 5:2ers as a 52 year-old example that this WOE works,is flexible,and reliable. Keep the faith all.

Tommy Mon 29-Jul-13 10:08:08

FD for me today - home alone and have decorating to do..... Hope oi am more heartened than last week smile

ds relented to a much needed early nap (having been up since 5 - not that I was, oh had woken early anyway so found them entertaining each other when I got up). feeling great after a good elliptical and cycle session.

have squeezed myself into put on a new charity pair of size 14 jeans and am loving it. just the sort of things I need to push me through to a successful FD.

right, now for a second brew before ds wakes

sausages its probably not 'real' weight. I bet tomorrow you'll find the damage wasn't that base at all

somewherebecomingrain Mon 29-Jul-13 10:47:25

Yes hopefulgum 'vegetables are your best friend' when fasting.

It's 10.45am here. Not too hungry. I always feel worst in the morning when gotta get ds off to nursery.

Have had one tea and one small milky coffee.

What I don't like on FDs is to get so hungry I can't function. So going to try to do loads today - laundry, apply for second child benefit, sort out ds's school kit, go for a run etc etc.

Just to have done this will make me fear the fd less!

FD for me today too. Just had a nice weekend away, which was a bit of a last minute thing. Only managed to make it to 3.30pm for my Saturday fast as a result before feeling strange and needing to eat something quick (which ended up being a choc chip cookie, not my preferred fast breaking choice but was all that was available at the time). On the plus side though, the weekend has left me feeling so jolly that I went for a run this morning for the first time in months. I love jumping on the scales after a run, I get a nice false low reading! grin

BetsyBell Mon 29-Jul-13 11:20:06

See Ezzza - I always look at it from the other perspective: scale readings not after a fast day or not after a good bout of exercise are false highs grin

Veggies with a high water content are great for fast days - peppers, aubergines, mushrooms, courgettes, cabbage etc all have very low calories. Starchy ones like sweetcorn will have a bit more, but can still be fitted into a fast day menu.

Beachcomber Mon 29-Jul-13 11:58:20

Have been catching up on the thread. Well done everyone on all victories be they loss, maintaining, NSVs, etc. Personally I think even just doing fasting is a victory in itself as it is getting us back in touch with natural appetite and food requirements.

I have been fasting for about a month now and definitely feel my blood sugar crashes that I used to get previously getting better so I'm really pleased about that.

FD for me - having a light green veg soup when ever I feel the need and then not sure for dinner but got plenty of veg in that could be steamed and might add some fish/chicken breast/chick peas depending on how I'm feeling.

Today I'm wearing a pair of jeans that were too tight for me a couple of weeks ago. Have also been keeping up not too badly with my workout and am starting to get a bit of definition on my arms. Am pleased. Feel fitter, healthier and more energetic. Also feel like I am finding 'me' again.

(Hi SaF - how you doing?)

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 29-Jul-13 11:59:22

Ack, Betsy, ERD, you lovely women, just because this is a diet thread and we're all encouraging each other to get slimmer - don't lose sight of the fact that you're already gorgeous, will you? It's not all about the numbers!

Wriggle, yeah, we don't have anywhere near the ready meal selection. Some Lean Cuisines and of course soups and things (and it's got a lot, a LOT better in the past 2-3 years even), but nothing close to you guys. TBH I don't mind, I like to cook so I'm happy doing a batch of harissa chicken and lentil soup or whatever and freezing it...just need a few new recipes I think. And cook-ahead is key for me, because otherwise I'm cooking the kids a meal and then cooking DH and I something different, both from scratch, both after a day of not eating, and that's too hard.

Have been considering Shred, Betsy, so maybe I'll see how much the DVD is and join you all. Really want the days to lengthen again, too - I was just getting into running, for the first time in my life, then the clocks changed and I had no daylight hours to do in it!

wrigglebum Mon 29-Jul-13 12:09:13

The Shred is on YouTube Tortoise, if you've got a way you can view that somewhere you can exercise then you don't need to buy it.

BetsyBell Mon 29-Jul-13 12:42:56

tortoise Shred on youtube

If you've just got into running then you'll probably like it - it's got the short, sharp, shock factor just like going out for a run!

I got into running last year - just mostly during the spring though as had little time in the summer (also was raining all last summer here). So apart from the occasional chilly winter session I didn't get back into it until this spring - and it was glorious! Gorgeous fresh mornings with happy birds catching their early worms and my body remembered how to do it so was running better than ever rather than starting from scratch!

Aargghh...fasting today and I'm just about to start baking biscuits to keep DSD happy! There's also the smell of freshly baked (i.e. by Tesco) tiger bread wafting around my kitchen.

Yay for fitting into your jeans beachcomber !

sausages51 Mon 29-Jul-13 13:07:29

Thanks Eagle hope you're right - it'll just be lovely pints of San Miguel fluids. :-) x

BsshBossh Mon 29-Jul-13 13:09:06

londonmrss I'm like Betsy in that I lost 2/3rds of my weight watching what I ate (daily calorie counting) and keeping a food diary. I found this very useful as I learned what normal, healthy portion sizes are. But all that daily counting got boring after a year and made me a bit obsessed about food (every mouthful had to be logged!) so I switched to 5:2 to lose the last third of my weight. I find 5:2 a much more relaxed way of losing weight but the health benefits give it the advantage imo.

Talkinpeace Mon 29-Jul-13 14:06:26

Tortiose
we are not aiming for "slim", we are aiming for "LEAN"
because excess fat leads to long term health problems
some people are naturally slim, others naturally chunky
but we can all be lean .....

And not carrying visceral fat is the real benefit of fasting

Hi All, half way through a fast day here, had more cals than usual, I succumbed to one finger of a kit kat blush but still have 240 cals left for supper, and last weeks extra half day fasts (to fit into a too small dress I bought on weds) have reduced my appetite. (The extra half fasts worked and the dress fit by sat night grin)

managed to take a photo of the terrible before pic of me on my mums wall at the weekend, just waiting for my friend to send me a photo from Sat night so I can give an idea of before and after, although like bsshh and betsy I lost lots of weight doing another method - Paul Mckenna - first and then after stopping it the weight stayed off for a good 2 years, but then I seemed to forget my lessons and also found that eating whenever I wanted resulted in a habit of eating small amounts ever 2/3 hours, this just didn't really fit with everyday life and eating with children and friends, and the weight started to creep slowly back on, so when i saw the horizon doc i realised this was a better WOE for me, and started it immediately, I feel healthier, and more in control and really look forward to my fast days for control and the feeling of emptiness, and also now doing much more 16:8 although not every day, but probably 5 ou of 7 a week, so pretty good going.

Lizzabadger Mon 29-Jul-13 15:37:59

Disastrous Saturday with wine and cheese +++ (delicious though). Hopefully back on track with a fast today.

Beachcomber Mon 29-Jul-13 15:46:36

thank you postmanpatscat

Am drinking a cup of tea and feeling glad that I like it black! (keeping as many calories as possible for nice dinner)

JB30 Mon 29-Jul-13 16:15:21

Halfway thru FD and about 380 cals left if I want to stay at 500. Fitted into size 12 jeans last night even though I put on weight on hols, it doesn't really be appearing on my body, although the proof will be tomorrow with my original nsv trousers!! Happy fasting Monday fellow FD'ers

Dotty342kids Mon 29-Jul-13 17:04:52

Bugger, super stressy work day saw me dive into fridge for emergency dairy milk at 4pm. Only two chunks though and reckon I'll still be under 600 cals by end of play today.

BsshBossh Mon 29-Jul-13 18:06:35

mocnk I really like Paul McKenna's golden rules of eating; they make so much sense and I'm mindful of them often. Except for one rule - eat when hungry! Like you, I found that that rule made me eat at every single hint of hunger. I don't think I ever gave my digestion a proper break using that rule grin.

Lizzabadger Mon 29-Jul-13 18:07:07

Only two chunks of chocolate when you are stressed = amazing nsv in my view, Dotty.

BsshBossh Mon 29-Jul-13 18:12:32

Whoops, posted too soon. mocnk it also meant I didn't eat proper meals and snacked all the time.

Dotty 600-ish cals is fine smile

Well, I have survived my first FD with a child in my care all day (except for my gym and her swim session). It was absolutely fine, even when giving her snacks. So I can do it! Haven't yet broken my fast - will do that after her bedtime and when DH comes home. He's fasting today too (he does 6:1 for health benefits only).

DH's experience of fasting is really positive. He had no weight to lose but really likes the principles behind it. He used to be a big breakfast eater - always ensuring he ate well first thing in the morning just because he'd bought into the myth that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. But since fasting he's found that his appetite has regulated and that hunger is nothing to be wary of and now only eats brunch on weekends.

only just over an hour away from dinner. I have made it! have an m&s fuller longer meal tonight, going to see if it keeps me fuller longer smile

am feeling stupidly proud for doing something that up till last week I had successfully done for 3 months. oh well, every little victory

BetsyBell Mon 29-Jul-13 18:36:49

Wildwater has started her own thread about fasting in Patagonia here.

Dotty342kids Mon 29-Jul-13 18:55:17

Hi all, thanks for support re. my chocolate "moment".
I've just made the kids roast chicken and veggies and am currently cooking our own Moroccan chicken, which smells divine! Seriously, I could eat a horse right now......
Well done to all other Monday fasters and BssBossh, I knew you could do it smile

wrigglebum Mon 29-Jul-13 19:58:16

As predicted today's fast has been a lot tougher after doing the shred last night, I feel pretty grumpy and headachey like I did on my first fast day. Ended up having dinner with the boys I was so hungry, didn't want to wait until after their bedtime. Also had a little kinder chocolate bar but is only 71 calories so I'm still at around 500. Had briefly considered doing another shred tonight but really can't face it, might go outside with my skipping rope and do a few minutes of skipping instead. I'll shred tomorrow instead and when I'm more used to it I'll do it on a fast day.

Prawntoast Mon 29-Jul-13 20:19:25

I'm back from 2 weeks of scoffing pâté, cheese, croissants and drinking wine and then some more wine. 3.5lbs on, I think that's the least I've put on from a holiday and unlike returns from holidays in the past I know exactly how to shift it. First fast day tomorrow, probably be climbing the walls by lunchtime tomorrow! can see from a quick scan of the thread that there's more joining the revolution and some more great weight losses and NSV's. Onwards and upwards, actually that should've downwards!

Gilbertus Mon 29-Jul-13 20:22:29

Fast day here and had nothing except tea and water. Cracked at supper - had one tortilla wrap with homemade chili and lettuce it was so good I had another blush

Cat98 Mon 29-Jul-13 20:32:59

Just into the home stretch of my first fd of the week. I will do 5:2 this week and then switch to alternate 5:2 and 6:1 weeks to try and maintain.
Nearly there, all of today's fasters! Keep going!

monster54 Mon 29-Jul-13 20:39:19

Great FD for me!! Nothing but water all day, shred, chicken breast and salad.

Feeling sooooo good. I found shred killed off my appetite a bit which was great.

Hope everyone else has had a good day! Hoping I don't ache too much from the shred in the morning!!!

BsshBossh Mon 29-Jul-13 20:49:53

Just broken my fast with some juicy red grapes. DH has chicken noodle broth simmering away.

Did a 20 minute HIIT session today at the gym (after 4 weeks of negligible exercise) and I am aching all over! Alternated powerwalking/jogging with all out sprinting - works my heart and body much more than 45 minute steady-state running ever did. But DD loved the kid's club at the gym so much she wants to go again tomorrow so I will do upper body weights, a bit of powerwalking and a lot of stretching. I love the exercise high though, so am really looking forward to going.

And it's a NFD tomorrow so I'll treat DD and myself to something nice to eat afterwards.

Londonmrss Mon 29-Jul-13 21:20:03

what is nsv?

alwaysanauntie Mon 29-Jul-13 21:29:42

Well done all you fasters! (personally find it too hard to face a fast on a Monday usually, have to work my way back down calorie-wise from the weekend grin).

Dotty I take it there were only 2 bits of choc in the fridge?! That's a serious NSV I'd say, am in awe of your restraint [bowing emoticon]

Saf well done on getting under 10, all physical activity is exercise in my book, even hoovering, though clearly that's not nearly as much fun! Have you been to the clinic yet? I found a lump a couple of weeks ago and have my appointment a week Wednesday, think it's just a cyst but want to make sure. Just hoping I don't have to wait as long for mammogram and ultrasound as I did for my last scan when pg (2 1/2 hours after appointment time!). Hope it all goes well for you xx

Hit a new weekly low today of 66.5 kilos (although did see 65.6 briefly last week) so happy with that. Am trying to compensate for eating junk by eating less generally. Next challenge will be stopping eating junk and eating healthy food instead. Have successfully cut out weekday boozing though, so one step at a time! Bring on tomorrow's FD (and not the rain as I'm weirdly looking forward to circuit training grin)

alwaysanauntie Mon 29-Jul-13 21:30:52

London NSV = non scale victory. ie: anything positive about new woe that's not relating to your weight dropping on the scales

Londonmrss Mon 29-Jul-13 21:39:12

I see! Thank you!

HairyPotter Mon 29-Jul-13 21:53:20

FD almost over. Felt hungrier than usual but managed to not snack. Did shred this morning and C25k after dinner.

Really hoping to see movement on the scales tomorrow. I weighed myself after Thursdays fast and I stayed the same and that took 4 goes blush I had to keep moving the scales up and down the bathroom.

Good luck to tomorrow's fasters.

Lizzabadger Mon 29-Jul-13 22:08:22

FD done. Good to feel empty again after weekend excesses. Well done all Monday fasters.

wrigglebum Mon 29-Jul-13 22:31:58

In awe of those who manage to exercise on fast days. I'm guessing as my body gets more used to exercise and fasting I should be able to manage it a bit better. I'm always pretty active, running around after the boys and housework but I hadn't done any weights workouts for about five years before last night.

Talkinpeace Mon 29-Jul-13 22:36:15

wriggle
give it a go - if nothing else, working out while fasting seems to rip through the visceral fat PDQ

wrigglebum Mon 29-Jul-13 22:57:16

Tip- I think when I do it'll need to be early on. I'd planned to shred this evening (don't get any time in the day with two boys at home and a lounge covered in dinosaurs and Lego), but was wiped by then. Planning to try on Thursday when the bigger one is at nursery and the younger one is having a nap. Will be a lot easier to start doing it when the big one goes to school.

BsshBossh Mon 29-Jul-13 23:04:02

wriggle I started 5:2 and exercising on the same day. I had no concrete idea how fasting would make me feel so I went to the gym on my first ever FD (which ended up being a 24 hour one!) and it was perfectly fine. I generally exercise 5 days a week, never on the weekends, so inevitably two of those exercise days fall on FDs. I actually exercise better in a fasted state due to feeling light and empty but admittedly I don't do longer than 45 minutes a time. I suspect I'd feel different if I exercised later on in the day and for a much longer duration.

BsshBossh Mon 29-Jul-13 23:07:29

wriggle cross-posted. Yes, try morning. I find exercising first thing (for me this is actually around 9.30 after school drop off but sometimes around 7.30am) easier in fasted state c.f. later in the day when more tired. But I am interested to read Leangains/16:8 protocol which advises to exercise after 16 hours fast just before breakng fast (for me this would be around 1/2pm).

wriggle historically Ive always been a bit sporadic with exercise.. started 5:2 in Jan and my weight loss has been very slow...then a month ago I upped the exercise from an embarrassing once aweek to 2/3 times weekly
doing the exercise on a fast day. Ive felt fine ( even a bit euphoric ) and the weight loss has been more consistant. i.e. a loss every week instead of lose/ maintain/ maintain/ lose cycle that I seemed to be in!Now 17 lbs lighter and 6 lbs to go before I re- assess my original target!
FD today and did my usual 24 hr fast with one nice evening meal..today was coriander and lime chicken with a pile of roasted peppers and broccoli .dotty well done on the chocolate front! i have the same problem with cheese!grin

NSV: all size 14 trousers in charity bag.

Back in size 12. At the start of June I was cruising for 16 and was a tight 14 bulging over the waistbands.

Waist size shrunk. Wish I'd measured now.
Reading Mark's Daily Apple success stories....so inspiring. Love that site.

alwaysanauntie Tue 30-Jul-13 06:38:59

trucks that's amazing, and in 2 months. Well done you!

Although I'm loosing fairly steadily the weight around my waist is taking its time. It was the first place i started putting it on so i guess it makes sense it's the last to come off. Still 1 inch down & 2 to go before i hit the magic height ratio of 50% smile

mttum Tue 30-Jul-13 06:49:45

Another fast day over. What happened there? No food at all, no hunger pangs or even head hunger. Hmmm, maybe something to do with the total pig out on Sunday?

Hoping to do official WI for the first time in a month on Friday. Tbh there have been a few unofficial ones along the way though so I know there will be a change smile.

On exercise, I've always exercised on FDs with no problems, but definitely agree its easier (for me at least) if I do it earlier in the day. By evening I'm usually pretty tired and it takes an extra effort.

mttum Tue 30-Jul-13 06:54:20

always, you are getting there, well done. ATM my priority is waist measurement, and mine is also moving slowly, but it is moving.

Disappointingly, I checked my height the other day, and discovered I am an inch shorter than I thought I was! That means another half inch to come off the waist before its a healthy ratio sad

Lizzabadger Tue 30-Jul-13 07:07:48

Trucks I started at nearly size 16 and want to fit into a 12 in 2 minths too. You are giving me hope.

I do an intense workout class on the evening of one of my fast days. It's fine and I am one of the few people there who doesn't feel nauseous.

hooray trucks smile

wriggle I've always exercised on fast days if I want to...10k runs etc. If there are no carbs to burn, your body turns to your fat stores instead, I believe. I read Women's Running mag and a recent article said 'don't allow yourself to get hungry' and I thought 'Why the hell not, it won't kill you?!' but then I'm not training for a race or anything.

I fasted yesterday, first one in about 3 weeks (and second in about 6 weeks!) and hadn't really thought about tentative plans to meet a friend in the evening. We ended up in Pizza Express where I had the superfood salad and a mini lemon meringue dessert, total less than 500 cals smile The salad was lovely too. 600g down this morning, which has got rid of the effects of my indulgent weekend.

mttum fingers crossed for your weigh in - shame you're shrinking though!

londonmrss the common acronyms are explained in the opening post up at the top.

I managed zumba last night - maybe 95% of the energy I'd have on a NFD but still fine. And when i came home, DH had prepared the new Sainsburys Love Veg range mini kievs - they were absolutely gorgeous! 116 cals each, I'd planned to have 2 but they were so good I had another 1/2. I think he's quite pleased we can find food that HE is happy to eat too. We just had salads along with it - laIbs lettuce, tomato and cucumber for me, coleslaw and a pasta salad for him.

trucks nice one. wanna send the 14s round this way? wink

NaturalBlondeYeahRight Tue 30-Jul-13 07:32:42

Morning. After a fab start to WOE , this week I have stayed the same. Bit disheartening. At this rate it will take about a year to lose everything I need to. I suffer from arthritis in my knees so I think The Shred would be a no go for me.

Anyone else finding it harder in school holidays, the fast was ok, just finding times in week to fit them in?
To drop a few more pounds for holiday, could I drop the carbs on nfd's or would that be a bad idea?

JB30 Tue 30-Jul-13 07:50:45

Successfully completed first FD of week. Not overly hungry so I'm going to go for a 16:8 with the aid of a nice skinny flat white in a couple of hours I reckon. Despite my talk of staying away from scales, it draws me to it like metal shavings to a magnet. Original nsv trousers are on but a bit bitey, another reason for the 16:8, until their fresh washed feeling breaks down a bit, I don't think the button will hang in there! Tomorrow is official day to assess true damage of hols, it's not as bad as previously thought but it's grim enough. Ah well, just got to deal with it. Have a good day all, good luck to any Tuesday fasters

3 good days and one fast down since my wobble. 1/2lbb off. that's good. but...

another 1/2inch off my waist. I am now below 50% waist to height ratio. grin grin

Dotty342kids Tue 30-Jul-13 08:02:02

Hmm, not great here this morning. I've been hovering around 10st 7lbs (give or take a 3lb bounce each week!) for about 4-5 weeks now. Yesterday I was at zumba class and definitely looked a bit bigger in the full length mirrors than I had been and this morning, after FD yesterday, I am indeed 10st 8lbs.
I've probably been over indulging on NFDs to be honest, particularly with the alcohol the last 2-3 weekends (not normally much of a drinker) so I guess I know, in my heart, what's gone wrong but it's a bit disheartening.
Today me and the kids are making lovely Rocky Road so that'll be today's treat (for pudding tip, not as a snack smile ) but it is definitely harder in the hols and I'm just pottering about with the kids more as I reduce my work hours.
Just a bit of a whinge this morning really, sorry folks!

Dotty342kids Tue 30-Jul-13 08:03:06

And that's brilliant re. waist to height ratio ERD, well done grin

dotty hang on in there - you know what's broke, so you can fix it!

BsshBossh Tue 30-Jul-13 08:15:45

trucks that's a great loss! Do you follow a primal diet then?

always my flabby tummy is