The 5:2 Thread Number 23: Summer's really here - time to melt off those extra pounds!

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BetsyBell Mon 08-Jul-13 22:49:12

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing back through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

BetsyBell Mon 08-Jul-13 22:49:46

With thanks to Virginposter for the thread title smile

Southeastdweller Mon 08-Jul-13 22:52:55

Oh I'm the first one here (kind of)!

flowers betsy

SoTiredAgain Mon 08-Jul-13 22:55:32

Thanks, Betsy

virginposter Mon 08-Jul-13 23:14:33

betsy many thanks - your hard work is appreciated flowers
Minty welcome back. I tried S.W. and lost 3 stone over 2 years but it was hard going. Then over the following year I put 1 of the stones back on again.
Luckily for me MM and Horizon happened and I stopped gaining and lost that stone plus another one, yay!

Itsaboatjack Mon 08-Jul-13 23:34:55

Welcome back Minty, I saw your sw thread (and tip encouraging you back here wink). I've not done sw but it sounded very complicated, I think for me the simpler it is, the easier it is to stick to.

I had a good 16:8 day today and will be on an FD tomorrow.

BsshBossh Mon 08-Jul-13 23:41:45

Welcome back Mintyy.

Thanks for the new thread Betsy and fab title virgin smile

Two NFDs from tomorrow. Goodness, what on earth do I fancy eating? Honestly, sometimes I find FDs easier in that I don't have to think about food. Don'tworry, no risk of an ED here; I always end up eating fine

Mintyy Mon 08-Jul-13 23:43:21

Thanks for having me back!

What's this 16:8 thing I keep seeing mentioned?

TheGrandPooBah Mon 08-Jul-13 23:53:27

Hello everyone, I'm loving the 5:2 - I've lost 1 1/2 stone in 2 months and reached my goal weight - I'm still in a state of shock! (And delight ...) I'm still doing the 5:2 and going to the gym to tone up - quite a lot of toning required! - and because it makes me feel positive and energised. And saving up to buy a new wardrobe. Only downer is that my boobs have shrunk, but i guess you can't choose where the fat comes off. (shame)

Now I'm spreading the word and hoping that it will be just as successful for my friends and family.

Itsaboatjack Tue 09-Jul-13 00:13:55

Minty it's when you just eat within an 8hr window. It means you get a 16 hr fast so you get fasting benefits, and also sticking to just eating in that 8 hr window means generally you will consume less calories.

So today I had no breakfast, lunch at noon and was finished with my dinner by 8pm. I had my last food and wine at about 10 last night so I had a 14 hr fast. Tomorrow is an FD so won't eat until 8pm so I will get a 24hr fast in.

hth

Itsaboatjack Tue 09-Jul-13 00:15:35

Well done TheGrandPooBah. That's brilliant. Have fun shopping for your new wardrobe.

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Jul-13 05:39:43

Morning all and thanks to Betsy for new thread.
I woke up at 4am and couldn't go back to sleep so today's going to be a loooong (fast) day sad
I will be back on here for encouragement and support in staying awake whilst very hungry, later!

akarucker Tue 09-Jul-13 06:15:43

thanks BVB

thanks for Betsy again

ceebeegeebies Tue 09-Jul-13 06:47:24

Just bookmarking smile

Morning all - about to go to bed in California after a good fast day and first time back in power yoga in quite a while. NFD tomorrow but weirdly already looking forward to the next FD on weds

anyone here noticing an upward movement in the scales since the hot weather kicked in (UK or anywhere else that's had a rapid upturn in temperatures)? a few on some other forums are complaining about it.

Cat98 Tue 09-Jul-13 07:51:42

Thanks betsy!

Eagle - yes, me! I've gone up 3 lbs from this time last week! Not too worried as I know they tend to yo yo about and I had a huge loss the week before, the trend is still definitely downwards, but it's still a little disheartening !

Why would they go up in the hot weather? Fluid retention? Or just too much ice cream smile

Also can anyone recommend some decent but not expensive scales? Ours are pretty knackered - you have to put them in a certain place and not move them at all, and you have to weigh 3 times and take an average!

thinkcan Tue 09-Jul-13 07:52:08

Hi everyone. After lurking for months, I think it's time I join in. I have been on this diet since end Jan except for a 6-week break in Apr/May when I was away for hols. I have lost about 10 lbs which isn't spectacular but considering I haven't been this weight in over 20 years, it is amazing. I have also dropped 2 dress sizes and the size 2 jeans I bought while holidaying in USA in May are now a bit loose for my liking. I have never been able to stick to a diet this long and apart from the ease of this diet, I reckon it is the support I get from this site. So thank you everyone. Together, we can all do it!

akarucker Tue 09-Jul-13 07:59:08

think size 2?? Blimey!

thinkcan Tue 09-Jul-13 08:04:21

It's US size 2 which I think is UK size 4.

Just marking my place. 5 or so days into our holiday and no idea what I weigh. First climb onto the scales will be interesting.

Not going mad foodwise but alcohol cals probably totting up.

What's this about sunshine? ? In England? ? Will be gutted if I miss summer

BsshBossh Tue 09-Jul-13 08:19:52

Welcome TheGrandPooBah and thinkcan and great losses. Glad you've delurked smile

NFD today and still have no clue what to eat so will think I might re-visit TiP's recent post of yummy meals for inspiration...

End of play tonight and our kitchen will be finished! Can't wait to eat homecooked meals again.

ollieboo Tue 09-Jul-13 08:36:50

Thanks to everyone for their comments yesterday re low carb.

So had weighed this morning -still 10st 7lbs and I had really good week last week. Except I ate bread / wheat - I avoided this for years as I have an intolerance but since starting this WOE have allowed myself bread/wheat as nothing is forbidden. Seems to have kicked my IBS off again, which isn't good for weight loss

Guess I've realised that not all carbs are equal and bread/wheat just doesn't suit me. Common sense, I guess, but think it was wishful thinking on my part

Feel bit disheartened but will try another week but this time no wheat and see how I get on.

Emilythornesbff Tue 09-Jul-13 08:55:22

Thank you betsy

Great results viginposter and grandpoo and thinkcan

Oops, DCs are rampaging.......

Itsaboatjack Tue 09-Jul-13 08:56:43

Eagle not so I've noticed yet but I shall be mindful of that for WI day tomorrow.

saf hope you're having a great holiday. And yes we seem to finally be having a summer here, hope it lasts.

Itsaboatjack Tue 09-Jul-13 08:57:49

Dotty I'm fasting with you today smile

akarucker Tue 09-Jul-13 09:25:32

Started off my nfd this morning with a giant bowl of granola. Bad idea - it's started off a day of sugar craving. Silly! (It was scrummy though - Waitrose)

BetsyBell Tue 09-Jul-13 09:39:17

I am happy to say eagle that I have NOT noticed any upturn in the scales recently grin, in fact appear to have maintained my low weight despite lots of merry eating and wine over the weekend.

I wasn't going to weigh in until Friday as I was assuming one fast wouldn't be enough to shift the excesses. I was wrong grin grin

NFD here, just thinking about what I fancy eating - coffee first though!

Breadandwine Tue 09-Jul-13 09:43:54

Also can anyone recommend some decent but not expensive scales?

Cat98 there are some scales recommended on the Tips and Links thread. Not sure about the price though!

Thanks for teh new thread Betsy!

I used Weighwatchers scales - from memory they were about £25 from Tesco. They give weight, bmi, body fat and all that malarkey.

Fast day was yesterday - first in a while. I felt a bit off colour during the afternoon - wont go into details but had to go buy some diocalm. I wasnt really hungry but I did have some dry toast, so my calories for the day will probably be a bit over 500, but not by much. Plus my weight will be off if my body's trying to sort itself out.

Greek yoghurt wiuth strawberries this morning, feeling a bit perkier.

cat I use these
www.amazon.co.uk/Salter-Ultimate-Accuracy-Electronic-Scale/dp/B005YSYL8A

I had a slight upturn (1lb) on the scales but there's a TMI reason and also a lot of exercise yesterday so my guess is that it's more to do with those reasons than the heat. Just found it interesting that some people are noticing large hikes for no logical reason. Got to be a fluid retention issue I think.

melanie hope you feel better soon

MissUnicorn Tue 09-Jul-13 10:16:58

Morning all!

I'll be fasting with you today Dotty & itsaboat.
No snacks or meals split up. I'll be having a prawn stirfry this evening.

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Jul-13 10:25:12

Ah glad to hear I have some company itsaboat and missunicorn. Hope your days go well!

morning all, bit glum after the scales only showed a 1 pound loss in 1 week, but maybe the heat/fluid retention is at play, or maybe it is just my body only loses 1 pound a week on 5:2, if I want to lose more I need to do more fasts or eat less the rest, anyway, I am determined not to be downhearted, it's just teh scales, and we all know how they can fluctuate, so i'm off for a lovely swim at the lido in this hot heat, trying to avoid eating as long as possible, it's a NFD, but a coffee with a dash of cream is my treat so far and maybe some baking later!

thanks to betsy for new thread, have a good day all x

Itsaboatjack Tue 09-Jul-13 10:39:33

Mmm missunicorn a prawn stirfry sounds good, I was wandering what I was going to have tonight

icecreamcrackers Tue 09-Jul-13 10:48:36

Hi everyone I started 5:2 on thursday. Can I ask when does every wiegh themselves is it after the second fast day or should it be the thursday morning.

Weighed myself this morning after second fast day and so far for the first week have lost 6.7 lbs according to mfp, im aware I will probably put some back on though.

TonytheFish Tue 09-Jul-13 11:28:05

I weigh every day. But, I chart with Libra.....which tbh, if you are like me and do feel the need to weigh everyday, is a must. It just smooths out the ups and downs you can get, esp on this WOE. I can fluctuate anywhere up to 4lbs up and down on different days.

So, I use libra, and it gives me a trend line, so it basically smooths out those fluctuations, and I get to see my lovely red trend line moving downwards.

However, on MFP....I chart in that weekly, and put in the Monday Morning weight, whatever it is, as I do not fast on weekends, so in my head, I "trust" the weight more, even following 2 feast days.

Like today, I am down to 15 stone 5....however, I fasted yesterday, so am fully aware tomorrow, it will go back up to maybe 5 stone 7/8 and that is fine, I know I am heading downwards and can see my trend going down.

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Jul-13 11:40:27

I weight every day too, just out of interest and I don't find the fluctuations a worry. I just "count" the weigh in that I do after my second fast day of the week. So, fast Mon and Thurs usually and only really take note of the Friday morning verdict from the scales smile

somewherebecomingrain Tue 09-Jul-13 11:52:38

Hiya marking my place.

Am off the wagon. Appetite all over the place - very hungry in morning, not at all in the evening. Makes it hard to start a fast day or even a 16:8. Yet hunger fades after 5pm snack so have v small dinner or nothing.

Am also not snacking (tm tip) apart from my 5pm snack which is obv my natural dinner time . Not because I'm trying - just don't need to.

This WOE has kinda reset my metabolism, habits and hunger - v interesting.

Have maintained at 11.12 and just going to watch the scales and see where they go and do an FD when it feels right.

AphraBehn Tue 09-Jul-13 12:05:40

Can I ask a question about 16:8? Do I need to exclude fluids in the 16 hour period (including cups of tea)? I thought I might be able to manage it today but have already had tea.

Itsaboatjack Tue 09-Jul-13 12:15:20

Alphra I don't exclude fluids, I still have my cup of tea in the morning. I wouldn't go so far as to have a latte but I don't think a splash of milk hurts.

AphraBehn Tue 09-Jul-13 12:17:05

Thank you. Think I'll be able to do it then.

Southeastdweller Tue 09-Jul-13 12:57:04

I sympathise Dotty. How’re you holding up? I was also up extra early and couldn’t get back to sleep. At work now grumping all over the place and my legs are feeling achey. I don’t usually struggle on FD’s but it’s one hell of a chore when you’ve had little sleep and I feel like a Pret egg may sarnie and their chocolate rice cakes would sort me out…but will have soup only. Will run errands after work then go to the gym. Afternoon off tomorrow to look forward to plus nice food which reminds me to take out the cheesecake from the freezer tonight smile

mttum Tue 09-Jul-13 13:53:07

Hi everyone, haven't posted for a while, as a) not much to report due to deciding not to weigh self during July, and b) super-busy time with DD attending concert at Alton Towers, piano exam, transition to high school days etc. Glad to get back to work for a rest!

I have been lurking when I get the chance, though, and still finding all the activity and communication very supportive, thanks. I did cheat a bit last Friday too; although I didn't weigh myself I did measure my waist, and - half an inch off! Good news for me cos I'd been stuck for a few weeks in terms of both weight and inches, and if anything the waist measurement is the more important for me right now.

Not sure if this is what did the trick, but I had 3 fast days last week, one of them zero cals, and the other two under 500 cals and protein (tofu) only, no fat or carbs. Pretty relaxed on the NFDs though, so quite chuffed smile

Quickgirl Tue 09-Jul-13 14:09:23

Hello, this is my first post although I have been lurking for a while and find this thread a great help. I've been doing 5:2 for 10 weeks and have lost 18lbs which I am so happy with. The last week I have been eating over on NFD, and today I seem to have slipped back in to my old habit of eating far too much sweet things. Please give me a kick to stop me!!

virginposter Tue 09-Jul-13 14:10:08

mttum good NSV, looks like you've cracked it smile

Cat98 Tue 09-Jul-13 14:17:03

Thanks for the scales recommendations. Will have a look at what I can find. I'm still charting a 5 lb loss from starting weight (this my 5th week) so far so I am pleased, I am not counting or anything on my nfds though I do one additional day where I 'mini fast' - fast all day but eat a proper non cal counted dinner.
Seems to be working for me albeit slowly and with fluctuations!

Wow lots of delurkers which is lovely

16:8/breaking the fast in general - I don't count milk in tea as breaking the fast but I do count it towards my calorie intake

I WI on Monday mornings, I need the kick up the arse by following my post NFD w/e weights!

mttum Tue 09-Jul-13 14:30:08

Thanks vp smile

AphraBehn Tue 09-Jul-13 14:43:13

Phew, made it through to 1.30 and had lunch of squid rings in paprika and about 3 glasses of water! Dinner is lemon and herb salmon with salad. Am keeping busy with cleaning which takes my mind off food.
We eat early on Tuesdays as my son does athletics so I will be out of house from 7-9 pm and not tempted by food, shall have an early night as well.
That's the plan anyway!

vieenrose Tue 09-Jul-13 14:45:41

Hello everyone
I would like to ask you all about your experiences with stalling.
I had my monthly weigh in last week and had not lost anything. This is the first time this has happened since I started this woe in January. I'm not complaining as I've lost 24 pounds in total and have dropped four dress sizes and am really pleased with that, especially as I've changed body shape and look and feel much fitter. But I reckon I have another 8 pounds to loose and wanted to ask everybody how they have dealt with stalling.
Keep up the good work everyone!

Cluckingmad Tue 09-Jul-13 15:35:08

Hi all, still fasting and so far I have lost about 3 lbs in 2 weeks. I'm happy with this loss but as I am so impatient I have cut my TDEE on NFD's from 1951 to 1200 calories. My mum, who is also following 5:2 says that I am eating too few calories on NFD's and this may stall my weight loss. I'm confused as what to do, I just don't think I will lose weight eating nearly 1900 calories for 5 days. Any advice appreciated smile.

I know I have asked this before, probably back in March, but failed to take notice of the answer - can anyone recommend good but not too expensive bathroom scales please?

Just an update since I last posted on one of these threads, I have so far lost 3 stone 6 lbs since February by a combination of things including 5:2. My weight loss has really tailed off in the last few weeks and I am eating very little in this hot weather. Disappointed not to have lost more since breaking my jaw though.

Maybe I will have to give up the vodka?

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Jul-13 16:11:54

southeastdweller I'm surprisingly ok actually! Seeing as I'd done all my work hours by 10 this morning I took to the sunlounger this afternoon, fully expecting to have a little snooze..... and just didn't. Very weird.
I'm putting it down to the usual fast day energy feeling. Suspect I'll feel like a train wreck tomorrow (or tonight once I've had my dinner) grin
vieenrose that's a fantastic loss and achievement so far. I'm not surprised that after all that you've slightly ground to a halt! If you can, and are the patient type, then keep doing what you're doing and I'm sure it'll get going again. If you can't and you're not, then try a couple of zero cal fasts or a week or two doing 4:3 to mix it up a bit?

BetsyBell Tue 09-Jul-13 16:12:23

vieenrose I stalled for a couple of months, just keep on going and it will all start up again. In the meantime soak up the compliments on losing so much already! smile

BetsyBell Tue 09-Jul-13 16:14:18

There's some scales recommendations on page 1 exit

vieenrose Tue 09-Jul-13 16:29:19

Thanks Dotty and BetsyBell. I know that slowly does it and I will keep on going. I'm giving myself till Christmas to be where I want to be.
I'm slighty nervous about my holidays in August though: I don't think I'll be able to fast, I certainly won't be going to the gym and no doubt, there will be much vino involved. But for the first time in yonks, I won't be ashamed of myself at the beach!

cluckingmad: most of us have found that we should certainly eat up to TDEE on NFD, or slightly under to allow for some indulgence at the weekends. Limiting yourself to 1200 calories sounds drastic. It won't help you loose weight (well that is our experience) and it sounds too much like a ordinary diet that you will not be able to sustain. Hope this helps

MissUnicorn Tue 09-Jul-13 17:01:23

How's it going Dotty, Itsaboat and Southeast?
I'm feeling OK. I'm going to make my stir fry in an hour or so.
vie That is amazing! I love reading stories like yours, they keep me going.
exit well done too! They say the closer you get to your goal, your weight loss slows down, so maybe it's that?

Clucking your mum is right, you need to eat more.

NaturalBlondeYeahRight Tue 09-Jul-13 17:02:39

First day of fasting today. Planned on mfp and not feeling too bad (quite hungry) Do you all go to bed early on these days? grin
I've kind of spread most of the calories from 11am onwards. Is there are best method, or is it when you want to have them?

Talkinpeace Tue 09-Jul-13 17:07:00

Welcome Quickgirl
as I say to everybody NO SNACKING
if you must have something sweet, have it at the end of the meal still sitting at the table and then no snacks between meals

Talkinpeace Tue 09-Jul-13 17:07:33

Naturalblonde
I have all of my fast calories (other than milk in tea) in one meal at 7pm.

Today should have been my fast day and its just confirmed switching has become the right thing for me. the DCs are still giving me the run around and driving me insane, but having some food in me is helping. Especially good as OH isn't coming home till later tonight so I have no relief until they go to bed sad

dogsdays Tue 09-Jul-13 17:18:39

well just back from St Lucia- a few pounds heavier (I know because of the scales) but going to give myself a couple of weeks back to 5:2 then weigh in smile

dogsdays Tue 09-Jul-13 17:19:13

meant because of my clothes not scales- jetlag wink

ELR Tue 09-Jul-13 17:25:49

Hi everyone, I haven't posted in a week, been super busy so haven't really caught up on the old thread but thanks for new one betsy
vie I second what betsy and dotty say about stalls just carry on going and you will get there, I have stalled for 2 months but finally this morning I'm down to 10.025 so nearly in the 9's on the 10th May I was 10.1.75 and been pretty much that for the rest of may and June and now it's just started to pick up again thank goodness!

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Jul-13 17:36:14

Have got a dinner planned but it's hot, there's the Next sale preview to distract myself with tonight so am wondering if should try a zero cal fast day. Hmm.........

BsshBossh Tue 09-Jul-13 17:44:29

cluckingmad the problem with eating just 1200 cals is that if/when weightloss slows to a crawl or you stall (and it happens to most of us for a bit) then you've nowhere to go. And your body's metabolism adjusts downwards too as all you're eating is 1200 cals so that when you get bored of eating so little and start wanting to eat more you put on weight. It's why I've never dipped below my TDEE when fasting; even when I was calorie counting I only went 10-15% below my TDEE.

vie keep going, be patient, be consistent. You've done so so well so far. I stalled for 4 months last year but then went onto reach (and surpass) goal weight.

BsshBossh Tue 09-Jul-13 18:00:27

Quickgirl welcome! The best thing that works for me to control my eating even on non-fast days is to not snack at all between meals. This has been the most effective way (for me) to reduce the amount of snacky food I consume. I still have crisps and chocolate but I tend to have it with a meal and have found that now I don't even have them every day (apart from ice cream or frozen yoghurt, which I love, and have most days as a small dessert after dinner!). It might work for you too...

Mintyy Tue 09-Jul-13 18:00:43

I am very interested in hearing what everyone is doing with regard to their tdee on this woe and if anyone wants to share on the thread then I am all ears!

I have my appointment with my GP on Thursday re. lack of weight loss, despite 5:2ing for 9 months. When I first went to see her back in January she hadn't heard of 5:2 but I think that will be different now!!

It would help me enormously if people could just say a bit more about what they do on non-fasting days because its obvious I either a) have some sort of metabolism or thyroid problem or b) am overeating by a ludicrous amount on my non-fast days.

I would be so grateful to hear a summary of people's methods if you can bear to ...

thanks

BetsyBell Tue 09-Jul-13 18:53:43

mintyy I don't calorie count but I would say that when I'm maintaining I'm at my tdee most days (except 2 fast days) and over once a week. When I'm losing it's because I'm not eating much in the way of starchy stuff or drinking wine in the week and therefore a little bit under my tdee most days.

Exercise has little effect on weight loss for me, only toning (and motivation).

hth

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Jul-13 18:57:38

mintyy, on my fast days I eat evening meal only, at or just under 500 cals.
On non fasting days I eat what I like but tend to keep it relatively near to my TDEE on weekdays.
On weekends I really do eat / drink what I like!
Lost just over a stone since Feb but it feels sustainable grin and I'm sure a bit more will come off over time.

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Jul-13 18:59:46

So, really weird side effect today (fast day). I do generally feel energised on fast days but today I've been up since just after 4am as I woke up and just couldn't get back to sleep.
Assuming I'd be shattered by lunchtime I got all my work done this morning so as to allow myself a couple of hours on a sun lounger in the garden this afternooon. I lay out there, relaxed and waited to fall asleep and............ nothing!
Even now I'm feeling quite alert and energy filled even though I know I'm tired. It's most odd!
I think I may have stumbled across an interesting, but good, side effect to fasting. grin

vieenrose Tue 09-Jul-13 19:27:31

Thank you everyone for your advice. This thread has been a life saver on many a difficult fast.
Fast day today but I breezed through it like nobody's business

Itsaboatjack Tue 09-Jul-13 19:29:33

Glad to hear my fellow fasters are all doing well. I've had a great FD, I was working off site at another pub doing some very dull data collection. I'd not planned my week well as it was a very renowned gastro pub and the food going out looked amazing but I managed to turn down the offer of a free lunch and instead worked through, got finished early and walked the 3 miles home. With that and the school runs and brownies I have walked nearly 10 miles today.

So I've not eaten yet, am just waiting for dd2 at brownies then I'm going home to my stir fry.

vieenrose Tue 09-Jul-13 19:32:52

Mintyy
On my fast days, I keep all my calories (save for milk in tea) for my evening meal.
On NFD, I eat within TDEE during the week and go way above, with cheese and wine mostly, during the weekends. I never snack and almost never do minifasts (skipping one meal for instance). I've stopped calorie counting because after six months, I know roughly what I am eating.
I also work out three to four times a week (an hour each time) and cycle to and from work (40 mn daily five times a week).

Breadandwine Tue 09-Jul-13 19:36:19

On the subject of having a snack directly after a meal, I've just remembered a conversation I had with my dentist about 18 months ago. I was asking her if it was OK to eat chocolate. She replied that it was, as long as I had it as part of a meal!

At the time, I dismissed the idea out of hand - but now, it makes perfect sense. Once a day, have a meal, finish off with a couple of squares of dark chocolate - and then don't snack again!

On an unrelated topic, I thought you guys might like thus quote I came across recently:

"It is an economic fact that no one begrudges a new wardrobe so long as it is made of less fabric than the previous one."

grin

Cluckingmad Tue 09-Jul-13 19:39:02

Thanks for advice all. I will eat closer to my TDEE and trust that the weight loss will happen. BsshBossh I never thought of it that way, i'm sure to get fed up of only 1200 calories soon and then put the weight back on.

Talkinpeace Tue 09-Jul-13 19:43:46

B&W I llike that quote. And its so true.

Mintyy
have a scan through tips and hints as there are various weekly plans in there - not all posted by me!

BsshBossh Tue 09-Jul-13 19:59:49

mintyy I calorie counted for a year before starting 5:2 so developed a good sense of what eating to my TDEE looks and feels like. Consequently I don't need to calorie count on 5:2. Here's what's working for me:

Mon & Thurs - Fast, single 500 cal meal in evening
Tues, Wed, Fri - Eat a bit under TDEE, no snacking between meals
Sat & Sun - Eat over TDEE and snack if I want

I also exercise Mon-Fri. However, I still lose even if I don't exercise (I think perhaps subconsciously I eat at a lower TDEE to compensate).

HTH and good luck with the GP. I remember your previous posts and your lack of weightloss is strange - especially as you seem to do it all by the book.

mintyy I never eat above 500 on a fast day and often am well below - more because I only eat in the evening and don't want to go too mad. On NFD I eat below TDEE but not majorly. I still count but I'm not 3 months in and I'm also anal enough to enjoy it. Sometimes I mini fast or 16:8, but only when something special is happening or I realise I'm only about an hour away from a 16hr fast anyway.

I have recently discovered I will never be able to have chinese takeout again. the calories

AngieM2 Tue 09-Jul-13 20:18:27

Its my third fast day today since starting and its gone well, have come in at around 518 calories which I'm happy with as I've done body pump and legs bums and tums classes today! Can i ask a question though....and I dont want to be negative....but, has anyone NOT lost weight on this plan...I'm getting scared that all this effort will not work.....please fill me with confidence (I only want to lose a stone).

NaturalBlondeYeahRight Tue 09-Jul-13 20:20:24

So the FD do get easier then? The day seems to be dragging a lot.

BsshBossh Tue 09-Jul-13 20:26:30

EagleRiderDirk surely if you skip a few meals, add in an extra fast etc you can enjoy high-calorie feasts. I eat out quite a bit on weekends - some of those meals are over 1500 cals a sitting (one meal recently was average 2000 cals - Mexican) but I adjusted my week accordingly and it all balanced out. I still lose and eat well - win win!

mttum Tue 09-Jul-13 20:27:35

Oh no, erd, don't say that! I couldn't bear it if I could never have another Indian or Chinese takeaway. I did get one estimate off MFP that a full Indian takeaway including starter is 2000 cals. Don't know how accurate that is (obviously depends what's in the meal, I suppose) but for me that's doable now and then even if I have to pull in an extra fast day...grin

HellesBelles396 Tue 09-Jul-13 20:41:40

I've decided to try 5:2. I have been slowly gaining weight over the past two years and am starting to worry that I will eat myself into type 2 diabetes as my mum did.

I used the calculator on the fast diet website and my tdee is 2157. Today was a splurge day (because I had both mcdonalds and a slice of cake) but I only just hit 2000 calories thanks to fish, rice noodles and steamed veg for tea smile.

My fast days will probably be tuesday and thursday because they are the least hectic so I can enjoy the food I have.

I manage massive Indian takeaways (a local place has a wonderful tikka like but hotter chicken dish, and i dont like sauce all that much in general) no problem. but sweet and sour pork balls/shredded chilli beef/lemon chicken, they're all ridiculously expensive calorie wise. one day I will mini fast it and do it. but not before my chippy chip night.

then again, I'm managing homemade thai curries and stir fry a lot on fast day so I'm not as desperate for oriental food as I am for Indian and chips!

Quickgirl Tue 09-Jul-13 20:54:55

Thanks tip and bssbossh for your replies. I am going to impose a strict no snacking policy. I don't snack at all after dinner in the evenings and that has been working well, but during the day recently I have let things slip and once I start its hard to stop. Tomorrow is also a fast and I find that FDs are easier than NFDs!

Breadandwine Tue 09-Jul-13 21:03:55

Even better!

Further to my 2 squares of dark chocolate after a meal - I've just posted about calorie counted chocolate dipped strawberries on the recipe thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/1567814-5-2-Fast-day-recipe-ideas?msgid=40195048#40195048

Itsaboatjack Tue 09-Jul-13 21:05:53

Minty the single biggest thing that makes a difference to my weight loss is alcohol. It's not just the calories in the actual drinks, but even one alcoholic drink weakens my resolve and gives me the munchies. Also if I'm even slightly hung over the next day I crave carbs. Definitely the best weight loss weeks for me are the weeks when I've not had much, or any, alcohol.

Snacks are also a big factor, I realised I can easily add a few hundred calories to my day without even noticing. I do 2 fast days, 3 days where I try to stay under my TDEE, which is a lot easier to do with no snacks. And then the weekend when I relax.

MissUnicorn Tue 09-Jul-13 21:10:19

I'm relatively new to this Mintyy so I don't have a proper routine down, but good luck at the doctor's. I have a chronic pain condition and know there's nothing worse than doing everything right and not seeing the results.

That's great Dotty I hope you have a good kip tonight.

Itsaboat that is some great willpower.

Welcome Helles Belles. Tuesday and Thursday are my usual fast days, so I'll see you here!

Fast day nearly over for me. Today I had stirfry with noodles, which I never do, as usually I would've snacked on something and would only have enough calories for the veg and prawns.blush

I actually prefer it without the noodles so I'm going to add some fresh fruit as a dessert.

JB30 Tue 09-Jul-13 21:11:22

I'm on an nfd today and I've been eating rings around myself sadI'm v worried I'll undo my good work as scales is up 2.5 since lowest weight (that was 1st thing post poo, tmi forgive me!) 2 more fd's this week so that'll get me back on track. Awful stench of déjà vu around mine - self sabotage has come a calling! But I won't break, well any further than I broke today.
Alarm set to get me up for a run before work. Can't believe the number of messages on this thread gals/guys - love reading them all, learning so much!

BetsyBell Tue 09-Jul-13 21:22:24

AngieM naturalblonde Yes the fast days get easier smile You will lose weight on this if you stick to your tdee on other days. You might not lose weight if you vastly overeat on most days or you have underlying medical issues.

Prawntoast Tue 09-Jul-13 21:24:14

Off line for a few days and we are on thread 23! Hot weather has definitely helped curb the appetite. Didn't lose anything last week so hoping for a little bit more this week, off to France Friday, I doubt I'll be fasting though may try 16:8 on a couple of days.

Mintyy, I fast Tuesday and Thursday, generally one 500 cal meal in evening, don't know what my TDEE is but I don't think I overeat and don't snack.

BetsyBell Tue 09-Jul-13 21:28:51

JB30 Believe it or not some of my biggest losses have come after a pig-out day...

It may also be worth adding up the calories of your day's eating as often it's not as much as we think.

Mostly though, don't panic, those scales will fluctuate for a plethora of reasons but the overall trend will be downwards. Focus on what you've lost, not the upwards bounces.

SoTiredAgain Tue 09-Jul-13 21:47:37

breadandwine I eat 2 or 3 squares of dark chocolate everyday too.

Had another healthy day until I had strawberries and cream, followed by 2 big white chocolate cookies. Still within my TDEE grin

But I have a massive headache now though. I seem to get them now whenever I have something really sweet eg cake or cookies or pastry. Does anyone else have this?

bshh. You are right when you say that not needing or eating snacks between meals is so liberating. Before 5:2 I was eating snacks worth in total about 400 calories - that's a meal in itself!

JB30 Tue 09-Jul-13 21:50:40

Thanks Betsy for the kind words. I changed mfp to maintain which is 1900, it was prev 1500 and now the 1900 seems like a target which I've exceeded that a few times over the last few nfd's AND done no exercise, I reckon when I keep to my running schedule, I'm more disciplined. The 4:3 this week will get me back on track, I have a friend in work starting - I must be a good example! Can't let the side down wink

TheGrandPooBah Tue 09-Jul-13 22:45:46

Have managed to avoid most carbs for two months, other than bran flakes at breakfast on NF days, and it's been no problem at all. But today I HAD to have toast and too many sandwiches - think it's PMT pushing me that way. Anyone else find that their cycle makes them make stupid choices?

Southeastdweller Tue 09-Jul-13 22:46:50

Another FD over with here and even the tiredness and grumpy mood quickly went in the afternoon when I became unexpectedly busy at work and I was more positive generally, finally deciding to leave this dump in September and the feral next door neighbours!

MissUnicorn I hope you enjoyed your prawn stir fry. I was thinking this afternoon about doing one next week so thanks for indirectly reminding me about the prawns in the freezer.

'night all.

Southeastdweller Tue 09-Jul-13 22:54:21

Forgot to say that Dr M's new Horizon programme is on tomorrow night:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036ypxw

wrigglebum Tue 09-Jul-13 23:15:48

Marking my place.

Weighed myself yesterday and the holiday extra pounds have gone, down to 10st 8 again. I guess when they go on quickly they come off easily. Had my 3rd fast day yesterday. Went ok, had dinner later than previous fast days as DH is back at work. Felt a bit grumpy around boys tea time but managed to stop myself picking at their food smile.

NFD today with KFC for lunch- didn't actually finish it though amazingly. I just stopped when I felt full- unheard of before.

Another fast day tomorrow, doing Monday and Wednesday ATM as on Thursday I go to a wonderful toddle group with amazing cakes! Will do Thursday over holidays though. Next Monday is my birthday, so thinking of doing 16:8 Friday and Monday instead of a fast day on Monday, just makes it fit in a bit better and no way will I do s full fast on my birthday.

Skybluesea Wed 10-Jul-13 02:05:22

Hi wink sorry I've been lurking for a couple of weeks. Thanks for the help you've given me, I can see how this thread is really inspirational
I seem to have lost few pounds so I may be here for a while....I started about 3 weeks ago, and I've just completed my 7th fast.

I'm 51, 5'7" and my starting weight was 13 stone 9. I lost 2 and a half stone a couple of years ago (my starting weight then was the same) by doing an extremely low carb diet (not at all sustainable) looked and felt fab. at 11 stone. I've done a lot of exercise over the last 20 years, so I'm quite fit for my age, but definitely over weight. Last year I started to put some weight back on and told myslef that I must do something about it, but then I very suddenly and shockingly lost my much loved partner, and I've piled all that weight back on in next to no time.

Since doing 5:2, I've lost about 6 pounds in 3 weeks. I know that's not astonishing but if I can keep it up, then it would be wonderful. I'm finding my fasting days easier and easier (and this is someone who thought breakfast was an absolute MUST), and I often used to say to John, "I'm STARving! whenever I felt any hunger pangs; John was one of those naturally slim people who, if he happened to by busy, might "forget" to have lunch, which was something I could never have done. I would always be encouraging him to eat more, because I never thought he'd had enough, when in fact he had the natural wisdom to know when he was full. Alll things that I'm now learning at the age of 51!!!

I'm going on holiday to Greece on Thursday, and I'm planning on having a fasting day while I travel, something I never wouldv'e considered before. And I know that while I'm there for 10 days I can have at least two or three days where I only have Greek salad in the evening and no booze...probably something I wouldn't have done before...

Roma2013 Wed 10-Jul-13 05:52:27

Has anyone ever done three consecutive days of fast on 3:4? I have a trip away Thursday to Sunday and have fasted Mon and Tuesday this week. Thinking about doing it today so I can eat a little more whilst away

akarucker Wed 10-Jul-13 08:12:15

roma I've never done that (and never will - it would be unbearable for me!!). I know when MM did his documentary he did four consecutive days so I'm sure there's no harm in it, it probably just makes it much harder to sustain so be careful that it doesn't get too much for you and you end up losing motivation.

BsshBossh Wed 10-Jul-13 08:14:25

SoTired exactly! And since I've stopped snacking I'm saving lots of £s.

BetsyBell Wed 10-Jul-13 08:23:08

PooBah Some days are just like that, shrug it off and try and make better choices today. I ate too much bread yesterday too blush

wrigglebum That's the key isn't it? Paying attention to your body rather than just mindlessly stuffing it down anyway. I find I have to remind myself that it's ok to not feel full to bursting after a meal. In fact it's a whole lot more pleasant not to feel stuffed - I can't bear that over-full feeling anymore, it's just painful!

skyblue welcome! Thanks for de-lurking, I think so many of us can relate to your story smile Sounds like you're doing fabulously - have a great holiday and don't panic if you go off track while away, you'll know what to do when you get back to reality!

AphraBehn Wed 10-Jul-13 08:39:21

Made it through yesterday's FD on 486 calories. I only felt actually hungry once but did have a sort of peckish feeling throughout the day. I don't think I could eat once a day though, splitting into 200/300 seems more manageable.

Hi all! Had a week off track last week, first fast went off course after dinner, and just didn't do a second. Had a stressful couple of weeks, and I find I just eat through them. But I fasted yesterday, went up to about 700 but I'm not beating myself up about it. Deciding whether to have another today or wait until tomorrow for one -I'm not hungry yet, so feel like I should take advantage of that, but had tomorrow in my head.

Apologies if this is none of my business, but to the poster who is already a US size 2, are you sure you should be losing any more weight? I'm sorry I can't see your name, I'm on my phone as my laptop died. Are you still within a healthy bmi range, if you have them in the US? Just that sounds tiny already.

BsshBossh Wed 10-Jul-13 09:22:19

Skybluesea flowers to you and so sorry for the loss of your DP. It's wonderful that you can take inspiration from his good eating habits. I think 6lbs in 3 weeks is amazing. It's more than many of us manage. Have a lovely time in Greece and make sure you enjoy some treats as holiday gain is easily lost when you return.

BetsyBell Wed 10-Jul-13 09:29:57

skyblue Just re-read your post with less tired eyes, flowers for your loss xxx

blush

angelabbie Wed 10-Jul-13 09:59:59

Hi SKYBLUE just wanted to send you a hello and a hug. 6lb is a fab loss, I am losing but very slowly which I have decided is ok and despite a huge eating weekend with some friends who came to stay my weight has stayed the same so I am happy with that.
Second fast day for me this week, good luck all.
T
x

peplum41 Wed 10-Jul-13 10:18:51

Hi all,
smile
Not been able to check the threads properly since last Thursday, glad its all still going strong, I really need this forum for motivation as left to my own devices I seem to revert to type. This involves over consumption of anything fattening. The scales and waist band of pants indicate I need to find a measure of self control- somehow! Last week I seemed to have finally left the seemingly endless plateau, just to put it all back on again in less than a week. sad

Not got much to say tbh, just wanted to say hi to skyblue, flowers, sorry for your loss, hope you enjoy your holiday despite it. The sad and sudden demise of a loved one is a good reminder that weight, and trying to fit society's ideals isn't the be all and end all, being healthy in mind and body is a better goal.

minty, hope you manage to get to the bottom of your lack of results. Did you lose anything at SW?

Hi to all other delurkers, and to the usual crew. Hope you're all managing well. southeast would love to know more about your planned move!

SoTiredAgain Wed 10-Jul-13 10:19:11

skyblue sorry for the loss of your DP. As bssh says, it's great that you have taken inspiration from his eating habits. 6lbs in 3 weeks is fabulous. Enjoy your Greek holiday.

Well done aphraben - was this your first fast? Do whatever works for you in terms of eating - so 2 meals instead of one is perfectly fine. What you will probably find is that eventually you will manage to do fine with one meal in the day.

FD here. Keeping busy. Was a bit miffed that tesco shorts that I tried on in size 10 this morning were too tight - every other brand has been comfortable. Ah well, lesson learned. smile

Itsaboatjack Wed 10-Jul-13 10:51:51

Roma there are people on the 5:2 site that have done 3 consecutive days. But I think you should probably be under medical supervision for it.

Karaoke I was also thinking that about the size 2 poster. That's a UK size 6 which depending on night and body frame is about Posh Spice skinny I thought.

SoTired clothes sizes are so frustrating aren't they!! I've got an M&S work skirt I a size 10 which is way too big for me and a pair of size 12 skinny jeans from New Look that are still a bit tight!!

NFD here but I've not eaten yet and about to start a meeting (is she ever turns up) that will take a few hours, so it will be a 16:8 day.

Welcome Skyblue and sorry for you loss.

Skybluesea Wed 10-Jul-13 11:29:49

Wow, thank you all so much for your fantastic support! So many of you have sent messages to me I feel overwhelmed. Thank you x zillions!

TonytheFish Wed 10-Jul-13 11:34:02

Right...I need help!

On the 3rd July I return to the Uk and spend 6 weeks at my parents house.

My usual MO for being in the Uk is to fill up on all the things I miss....fish and chips from the chippy, sausage rolls from greggs etc....I have no shame about my love of a greggs sausage roll either.

Also, I am at my parents, and my Dad will be cooking....i still want to be able to manage my 3 fast days. Although, tbh, I do not think he likes the fact I have put a lot of weight on in recent years (not that he has ever said anything)...I was always the slim one in the family! I now have my Mom giving me clothes that are too big for her! (the shame)

How do you handle it when you are staying with other ppl? If it was only a week or so, I might have just got on with it and not fasted, but 6 weeks, that could undo everything I have done so far!

MissUnicorn Wed 10-Jul-13 11:35:42

Thanks Southeast for the reminder of the documentary, it looks interesting.
My condolences for you loss Skyblue. thanks Have a fab holiday!

NFD for me and I'm going to make a cheesecake.

Itsaboatjack Wed 10-Jul-13 12:38:49

Tony that's a tricky one. Can you do mini fasts, so miss breakfast and lunch and then have the evening meal just not worry about counting the calories? Even if you are eating more calories you are still getting a good fasting period. Or could you offer to give your dad a night or two off and offer to do the cooking so that you can prepare a low cal meal? There are some good recipes on the recipe thread for low calorie meals that other people wouldn't even realise we're low cal.

Breadandwine Wed 10-Jul-13 14:29:41

Skyblue so sorry for your loss! flowers

But good that you can take inspiration from the way your partner would eat! I'm sure your weight will come off in no time. Good plan for the holiday, too!

Tony I blame the parents!

Not really! grin

Itsaboatjack has it about right - mini-fasts and a bit of your cooking should do the trick. You could even go over to 16:8, if you wished.

roma if you're planning to do three consecutive days of <500, it's a bit hardcore, but perfectly doable. Let us know how you get on.

Skyblue, welcome along. Hope you have a good holiday - fasting on the day of travelling is an excellent idea, saves paying ridiculous airport and airplane prices for food.

24 hour fasting is pretty flexible - eg 6pm one day to 6pm the next.

QueenBoudicea Wed 10-Jul-13 15:18:59

afternoon all

wow - skyblue - six pounds is briliant - sorry to hear of your loss but do enjoy your holiday.
first fast day of the week for me - I'm planning to do the second on either friday or saturday which will be a challenge.
This is my third week and to be honest I nearly didn't do my fast today as I'm not convinced the weight loss is going to happen for me.
I do feel better though for having a few days clear of food so will stick at it and see - I do need to get exercising though so perhaps that will be a bit of a boost.

I've just had a delicious lunch - M&S spicy king prawns with home made salad. Lunch came in at 270 cals which leaves me with plenty for my trusty aubergine stew. Didn't feel hungry today until about 2.30 which was good. Fingers crossed the rest of the day will go well...

eastlondonlite Wed 10-Jul-13 15:32:05

Anyone fasting today? I'm on fast 11 and its getting easier and easier every day. Now getting to dinner at around 8.30pm without eating anything other than two coffees and lots of water and herbal teas ... but I feel like that big meal just before bed isn't good.

When are people eating their main meal after the fast? Is it better to eat around 6pm and have a few more hours before sleeping or does it not matter?

Also what are thoughts on mini fasts? I managed two last week (eating normally at social occasions after 6pm) and one full fast (just 500 cals) and it seems to have had the same effect (2lb weight loss) that sort of fast, in the long term, would suit me better than the 500 twice a week for all time!

welcome skyblue i've been losing at that rate and it's the best rate for keeping weight off - lost 1 1/2 to 2lbs a week a few years back and shed 5 st I never put back on.

sotired the WORST for clothes size trauma is H&M - for years I thought I instantly put on a stone while trying on their tailoring before realising their size 12 is a normal high-street size 10. (doesn't seem to ring true across their S,M,L range though.)

TonytheFish Wed 10-Jul-13 15:54:53

Itsaboatjack - yeah, It can probably be rather easy to miss breakfast and lunch, esp if i manage to get out and about to the beech and park, just me and the kids. My mam has done slimming world for years, so he is sort of used to that, so may just tell him.

I will cook a few nights, although I am rather scared of my parents freezer...seriously, there are only 2 of them in the house, and they have the fridge freezer and then a chest freezer, both full to the brim, and everything is took out of the package it came in, and put in a freezer bag..my dad knows what everything is, I have not a clue, and some if it is really weird! Lord only knows what sort of stuff he has in that freezer!

Talkinpeace Wed 10-Jul-13 15:57:51

eastlondon I try to eat around 7/7.30 so my digestion is well underway by bed.

tonythefish TBH I'd be utterly honest with your parents and tell them and see if they will join in / support you / let you go out and about on fast days

roma
I have never done back to back fasts. I love good food and I love family meals. That is why I fast. And as I no longer need to lose weight, I keep it simple.

hi all, welcome to newbies and lurkers and a special welcome to skyblue very sorry for your loss, but I ditto what many have said, so good that you have taken some positive control of your life, great weight loss so far and slow and steady definitely wins the race.

mintyy good luck with dr's tomorrow, I know how long you've been working at this. whenI began last august I started looking at calories much more often to remind myself, even on NFD's. I checked my TDEE which was around the 2100 mark and don't count calories other than on a fast day, but will check and reject high cal options, i agree with what others have said about takeaway food, i still have it, but with a stronger awareness that it is hugely calorific, so have it less frequently and eat less of it. and choose not to buy indian ready meals, that I might have done occasionally for convenience in the past, the calories just so high that i would rather cook my own from scratch with much less oil.

like others I tend to have a weekend of really splurging, and tend to be pretty healthy during week days and then strict on fast days, For me I would say that I lose weight (rather than maintain) when i don't drink much alcohol, (I usually only drink socially which is about 2-3 times a week max)

I haven't lost lots of weight, but didn't need to lose lots, only about 12 pounds to get into normal bmi, I'd like to lose more, to get lower bmi, but have found that more difficult and think I will need to get more careful about what I eat on NFD's.

have you maintained when previously were gaining? (i.e has fasting helped at all?)

for those of you questioning the US size 2, I think i should point out that it is a UK size 6 and a current uk size 6 would have been around a size 10 in the 1970's as vanity sizing has had a massive effect! anyone buying vintage clothes will know how much current sizes have increased! depressing but true! hence if I was to get below the middle of my normal bmi I would be around 9 stone, if I was 9 stone I would be a size 8, but that's probably about right for my small frame, but involves giving up too much yummy food! wink

Lizzabadger Wed 10-Jul-13 16:22:37

Hi - delurking and on fast day 5. Started 27th June 11st 7lb (gulp!) 1.76m. It seems suprisingly easy so far. I'm doing total fasts and I've just stepped up from 2 a week to 3. I'm just eating normally the other days.

It's really motivating to read all your experiences. Sorry for your loss, Skyblue.

Breadandwine Wed 10-Jul-13 16:38:25

Welcome Liz - it is easy, isn't it?

"Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead" is on Ch4 at 8.00pm tonight - brilliant and inspiring!

Well worth watching!

Dotty342kids Wed 10-Jul-13 16:50:45

That's a rather dramatic programme title - what's it basically about?

Talkinpeace Wed 10-Jul-13 17:02:41

USA size 2
the other thing to bear in mind is that people who are under 5'1" with a slight frame will easily fit into size 6
I'm 5'5" and now routinely buy size 8, shorter friends from the gym wear 6 or kids clothes!

Breadandwine Wed 10-Jul-13 17:05:07

Sorry, folks - that should read CH5! [oops]

Breadandwine Wed 10-Jul-13 17:07:32

Sorry, Dotty - didn't see your post.

'Fat, sick and nearly dead'
Blurb:
Australian Joe Cross is 100lbs overweight and reliant on steroids for a debilitating autoimmune disease. With doctors and conventional medicine unable to help him long-term, he trades in his junk-food diet and sets out on a road trip across the United States, vowing to drink only fresh fruit and vegetable juice for 60 days and achieve a balanced lifestyle. Along the way he talks to more than 500 Americans about food, health and longevity, and meets a morbidly obese truck driver suffering from the same rare condition.

It's only been available on YouTube until now.

thinkcan Wed 10-Jul-13 17:21:35

mumof thank you for your comments re US sizes. Although I fit in a US size 2, I am still at around BMI of 24 as I am a shortie of 5 ft 1 in. I've been bouncing between 54.4 and 56 kg for the last one month and have decided that I should just focus on my nsv's instead of being hung up on what the scales decide to say each day.

BetsyBell Wed 10-Jul-13 17:38:34

Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead is excellent viewing - well worth catching it on C4 folks, very inspirational. It's also on US Netflix if anyone has access to that.

HellesBelles396 Wed 10-Jul-13 17:47:29

Just planned my menue for tomorrow: fast day one.

Breakfast and lunch are packed and ready to go.

150g strawberries with 50g yoghurt

100g beetroot with 50g salad leaves

100g (dry weight) quinoa, 2 steamfresh bags and 1 small skinless boneless thigh fillet.

Comes to 495 calories and I am actually looking forward to it!

I will allow myself two almonds if I get hunger pangy mid morning as I don't like fruit.

thinkcan yeah, I know what you mean about NSv's it's hard to not get knocked by the bloody scales, I keep telling myself i should measure and go by that!

Dotty342kids Wed 10-Jul-13 19:08:16

Thanks breadandwine and Betsy, will try to watch!

Sizes and weights really confuse me! I'm in the US and am size 2-4 but mainly size 8-10 in UK, except my top shop skinny jeans are still fitting at size 10. I think US sizing is getting even more vanity like to be honest, it won't be long before a US size 2 is a UK size 8.

FWIW I'm 5'9", now 137lbs (so a touch under 10stone) comfortable size 10UK, wanting to get to 9stone And a comfortable size 8. I'm actually quite small framed and thanks to breast feeding x2 have lost my boobs so even more so now suit less weight on me without them to balance me out. I sound much tinier than I actually look in all honesty!

FD today, trying to save all edible calories (I keep back 100 for milk in tea and coffee) for dinner so we can eat as a family, and have some lovely fish marinating which I'll stuff into squash. And of course in bloody starving just thinking about it...and DS has decided he wants to bake banana bread later. Torture

Reading back properly

slyblue so sorry your loss, hope you enjoy the holiday - sounds like you deserve it

HellesBelles your menu sounds delish, after a few fast you might you can push it into two meals and will prob feel more satisfied but your organization is brilliant - that's definitely the key!

JB30 Wed 10-Jul-13 19:33:28

2nd FD of the week, slight hitch to plans as we ate out but not to far off plan. Managed to get 2 mile walk & 2 mile interval jog - too hot for proper run! Looking forward to my viewing later, reminders in for fat, sick doc & mm. Watched a program on Ramadan on Monday which was really interesting. Now that's fasting to the extreme! It was fascinating about how much food is bought for when the fast is broken - and the amount of loo roll grin Well nicely put together light hearted documentary - not sure if it's on 4od but worth a check to see. Nfd tomorrow, defo changing my cals down to 1700 from 1900 as that's plenty for me.

wrigglebum Wed 10-Jul-13 19:46:57

Fast day number 4- just waiting for boys to go to sleep then I'll eat. Prawn curry from the Hairy Dieters book. I've only had 150 calories so far today so might stretch to a bit of rice. I've been really hungry today, do I have to admit I did pick at the boys' tea, but only a bit of broccoli.

Does anyone do just lunches? I was wondering if that might suit me. Then I could get two 16 hour fasts in if I time it right. Might have to experiment.

Breadandwine Wed 10-Jul-13 20:26:47

If you want carbs on a fast day, microwaved or boiled potatoes are the way to go - 86 cals for 100g cooked potato (72 cals uncooked) versus 135 for boiled rice and even more for bread or pasta. smile

BsshBossh Wed 10-Jul-13 20:45:05

Tony if you have the kind of relationship with your parents that's open, honest and supportive then I'd tell them frankly that you are doing 4:3 and want to continue with their help.

eastlondonlite I often do mini fasts to compensate for indulgence or simply because I feel like it. You could plan your mini fasts so the break-fast meal comes after 20+ hours thereby reaping the fuller health benefits... Oh yes, and because DH returns home lateish we don't eat dinner until 9 pm and I'm in bed by 10.30 pm but I still lose weight and still feel healthy and energetic.

BsshBossh Wed 10-Jul-13 20:47:21

HellesBelles396 that menu sounds amazing - I might steal it myself, though I'll eat it as a single meal at night on a FD.

ThinkCan Sorry I couldn't see your name earlier, stupid mobile! I did wonder about your height, that's why I mentioned BMI- I'm sorry if it sounded as if I was accusing you of being too thin, it wasn't that at all, but the mention of a US 2 being a UK 4 made me wonder whether you had a healthy BMI. Not that's any of my business, I know!

Apologies that I'm not greeting everyone and addressing, my laptop is home tomorrow (yay!) so I will be back properly very soon!

2nd fast done today, first time I've successfully done a consecutive fast, so feeling quite happy.

akarucker Wed 10-Jul-13 21:47:12

I just watched that show 'A Very British Ramadan' (or something like that). In awe that it's a 30 day fast with no liquids or food for 18 hours a day! And to think how much I waffle on about just two days a week, with drinking lots of fluids. (I was a little discouraged to find that the majority of Muslims during Ramadan gain weight during those 30 days though.....). I was fascinated by it though. That is hardcore fasting!

Just finishing my first fast day in almost three weeks and have done zero calories. Went out for a bike ride with DD2 but only managed 4.5 miles then she had to come home to pee!

Welcome to new fasters, hope you find 5:2 as effective as I did (hence the slow down in my rate of fasting).

Re dress sizes, I'm 8-10 at a BMI just under 20, definitely a 10 in trousers, 8 in some tops/dresses.

outingmyselfprobably Wed 10-Jul-13 22:16:45

Hi all! I did my first day today. I worked out my calories based on a quarter of what it would take to sustain my very heavy body! It came out about 650. Would have been bang on if DP used one squirt of spray oil for my stir fry instead of a whole tablespoon of oil (120 cals!!!!)

I had :

Fat free yogurt
Spoon of oat bran
Sweetener

Tin of tuna
Lettuce
Balsamic

Chicken breast
Pack of stir fry
Soy sauce
Bloody oil, grrr

777 cals with milk in my coffee
I think I can do it again which is good! smile

HellesBelles396 Wed 10-Jul-13 22:33:57

BsshBossh and * AmericasTorturedBrow* thank you. I was worried about my willpower if everything wasn't ready in advance!

Skinnyeye Wed 10-Jul-13 23:12:00

Hi all hope you are all enjoying your summer? Great to see so many new fasters and so many old friends on the 23rd thread! I started out on thread 3 but I know some of you have been here since thread 1 thanks There are different stages of this WOE and were all going thorough our own individual fasting journeys together.

I have learned that sometimes fasting is easy and sometimes its harder (much harder) but if we are doing it for life we need to go with it. I'm getting myself on track after a month off fasting and exercising. I was struggling to get back into routine after 2 holidays, a wedding (not mine) work stress and job applications. i was beating myself up for losing control of my eating again and gaining weight.

I came back to MN after about 3 months away and instantly felt more positive. Wherever you are in your fasting cycle we have all been there too. Stick with it and apply some damage limitation when you can't and you'll get back on track. Recently I been wondering if the weight gain is part of the fasting cycle and contributes to sustainability lol. Or am i just making excuses for my periodic piggery.

CrystalDeCanter Wed 10-Jul-13 23:28:31

Hi everyone

Just posting my NEW LOW WEIGHT before catching up with the new thread.

After my 2nd fast day of the week I'm now 58.3kgs! That's and almightly 4kgs down from my start weight and 3.3kgs from my goal. Not massively impressive compared to some of the amazing stats on here but it's all going in the right direction.

Off now to catch up with the new thread.

Breadandwine Wed 10-Jul-13 23:40:45

Hi Skinnyeye

I think there's no doubt that throughout history, as we developed, we had periods of glut - and periods of famine. We'd feast - and gain weight - in the summer and autumn, then (perforce) fast and lose weight through the winter.

So our weight was never steady - our ancestors must have been the original yo-yo dieters! grin

Now, as we adopt a 7 day cycle we do the same only on a smaller scale. My weight varies by about 3lbs through the week, for instance.

And I think you can extend that to longer periods, holidays, etc. I recently put on about 5lbs over ten days staying with my son and his family - which I lost very quickly as soon as I got back into a routine.

So, in answer to your question, I think that weight gain is part of the fasting cycle. And I guess it does contribute to sustainability, in that, knowing that any weight gain can be reined in, makes IF easier to stick to.

Hope that makes sense!

outingmyselfprobably Wed 10-Jul-13 23:45:37

Started watching Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead - WOW! I'm tempted to do it for my holiday in 6 weeks! He lost about five stone in 50 days. Will watch the other half tomorrow.

thinkcan Thu 11-Jul-13 03:39:16

talking sorry I missed your post before I put in mine. You got it exactly right!
breakout. No need to apologize. I really should have included more info about myself when I decided to delurk. Also this business of converting US to UK sizes is rather confusing. The website I checked tells me US size 2 is UK size 4 but now I find out from the posts here that it's a size 6. Doesn't help that I am living in Asia where our clothes comes in all kinds of size measurements.
akarucker the reason many Muslims put on weight during Ramadan is because, although they fast from sunrise to sundown, the amount of food consumed out of those hours is often more than what they would usually eat. Also many cut down their exercise routines during this month. Having grown up in one Muslim country and now living in another, I know that many Muslims would wake up to have a full meal before sunrise and end each fasting day with a huge array of food. Even us non-Muslims look forward to the special treats available during the fasting month. Don't get me wrong - the fasting during Ramadan is not easy. It is just a very different kind of fasting from what we do on this diet, so don't get discouraged.
breadandwine I love your perspective on our weight fluctuations. All the more reason to focus on my nsv's.

mttum Thu 11-Jul-13 05:13:35

Morning all, up early for (5hour) trip to London. Normally I'd have been stressing over what food to take on the train, looking for containers, rushing round generally. Today though, it's a fast day: bottle of water and off we go! Anyone else find that fast days can actually make life easier?

Regarding clothes sizes, and speaking as a bit of an outsider, they are really a bit of a red herring aren't they? I mean, I bought a pair of trousers from m&s yesterday, 34" waist, which I was pleased about because a year or so it would have been 38". But I know for a fact that my waist measures 40" all the way round sad

babysaurus Thu 11-Jul-13 05:28:09

Lurking so marking place even if I don't post much...

akarucker Thu 11-Jul-13 05:36:58

Months in, and the sleepless nights continue to be a real problem on FD. I only ever manage about 4 hours (and no, that's not all my body needs because I am tired, tired, tired!)

mttum Thu 11-Jul-13 05:42:06

Haha, except I forgot to take my phone and had to rush back for it!! grin

Night all, 11:35pm here, fast done, hit cross buns out the freezer and banana bread in the cake tin untouched - looking forward to tomorrow grin

SoTiredAgain Thu 11-Jul-13 07:32:23

Heehee mttum that's the sort of thing I would do. grin

Clothes sizes are a farce because there does not seem to be a standard between the shops. If every shop agreed to have the same measurements for a particular size then it would be much better for us consumers. I guess it's not a "size" but more of a guideline.

mttum Thu 11-Jul-13 08:02:54

aka, it's horrible when you can't sleep isn't it? Is it a new thing then, as you only say its a problem on fast days? Are you still hungry when going to bed? I find it harder to sleep when I don't eat anything on fast days, but if I have a good meal about 7 it seems to be better. I have just ordered a book called "The Effortless Sleep Method" by Sasha Stephens for my father. It was highly recommended, although too early to say if it works in his case.

Beachcomber Thu 11-Jul-13 08:05:34

Hi everyone. Marking place. FD today, hope I get on ok as stupidly had some wine last night sitting up chatting with DH and feel slightly hungover (am on holiday from work this week so justified midweek drinking to myself last night. Am regretting it now).

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 08:16:14

Skinnyeye and Breadandwine - words of wisdom from the "old timers", thank you flowers. I find my weightloss speeds up after a period of not controlling food intake. I think feast and famine cycles keep our metabolisms in tip-top shape (well, in my experience anyway). Also, my weight fluctuates 5lbs over a week but I don't stress about it at all.

HellesBelles396 Thu 11-Jul-13 08:20:33

First fast day and my stomach is not thrilled about fruit for breakfast...

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 08:21:31

Morning everyone, I woke up at 5 for no apparent reason (I suspect the naughty midweek couplaglasses of wine might have had something to do with it) so I'm going to be an excellent fun faster today! Feeling your pain aka...

Hopefully I'll get Dotty's burst of energy later, in the meantime caffeine is going to be my best buddy I think brew

Good news, I sneaked a peek at the scales and I'm still holding my low weight so which very gratifying on the morning of a fast day!

NSV - decided I needed a new hoody type top as my usual one I use for running warm up/cool down just looks silly now (H&M size 14), and ended up with (though admittedly supermarket sizes)... a size 6! Probably should have borrowed one off my kids grin

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 08:25:37

Ugh, just remembered I ended up eating (snacking! Wine's fault again!) quite late so that's going to put the kibosh on my usual eating schedule sad, will have to wait until after school rather than lunchtime I guess. Oh crumbs, I really am going to be fun today aren't I? hmm

QueenBoudicea Thu 11-Jul-13 09:19:00

Morning all - nfd for me today - yesterday's fd went well despite the rest of the family having homemade pizza for tea and icecream sundaes for pudding and the thought of homemade lemon drizzle cake in the tin!

No change on the scales for me. I've lost a lb in three weeks. My weight really fluctuates from day to day too so I'm never sure what weight to go for. I'm pretty sure I eat close to my TDEE and definitely stick to the 500 cals.

Am contemplating giving 4:3 ago - however I think I'd end up too wobbly and exhausted. Managed to get through yesterdays fd until falling asleep at about 9.45pm which is a break through. I did make sure that I drank as much water as I could which I think helped.

Good luck to all of todays FD'ers grin

Talkinpeace Thu 11-Jul-13 09:23:09

Not doing 2nd fast this week - house guests - so will do extra swims and skip lunch while everybody else is out.
That and I walked miles with DD at her 6th form college open evening last night. My baby. 6th form. Aaaagghhh. I'm old!

Not sleeping : aka this time of year is really hard as the dawn is so early. Do you wear pyjamas? Unromantic but they help your body stabilise its night temperature. Also do your have really dark curtains and earplugs to block out the 5am blackbirds?

NB Ramadan : a friend is in Jeddah with work at the moment. Dawn to dusk is only 13.5 hours there. They wake up early EAT MASSES, sleep all day, get up at dusk EAT MASSES and party till gone midnight. Every day for a month. It has become a party rather than a time of abstinence. All the people she sees put on weight - and of course in Saudi, women cannot use gyms or pools or drive or cycle (she's not in the expat bit)

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Jul-13 09:35:01

Morning all. Betsy I'm the same as you in that today's my second fast of the week but I'm still at my lowest weight so hoping that might see a new low either tomorrow or in the next week smile
Someone up thread asked if fast days are easier somehow as you don't have to bother about what you're going to eat and when. I definitely do too! I suppose it's a mindset we could also apply to NFDs - just because we can eat our TDEE doesn't mean we have to eat it all in three meals, no harm in using it all in lunch / dinner or breakfast / lunch if we want?

Anyway, happy Fasting Thursday to all of us that are grin

peplum41 Thu 11-Jul-13 10:18:47

OOh another lovely day. smile

Bread&Wine, thanks so much for mentioning the "Fat, sick and nearly dead" documentary, would've missed it if you hadn't highlighted it. I thought it was like the polar opposite of the Morgan Spurlock Docufilm "Supersize Me", but rather than damaging his health like Spurlock, he vastly improved it. And interesting to see the chaps involved not just losing all that fat, but their health being monitored by Drs, so you could perceive the health benefits too. Its helped me get my head together as been a bit out of the zone this week. Keen to fast today whereas Ive been reluctant to deprive myself in any way whatsoever for the last week.

talkin , your friend's thoughts on Ramadan are interesting, as in the shift away from a spiritual discipline to a party-on mentality. I wish id caught that ch4 item on it though. One positive side effect of 5:2, I watch much less tv.

Hellsbells, if you feel a bit off or desperately hungry later, it might be the fruit. Many of us have found that fruit, great on NFDs, is not so good as a breakfast on fast days as it makes you rather hungry later. So don't worry if you find it hard today, its not you! As you progress, try putting off breakfast as long as you can, think I can do another hour, and so on. The hunger comes in waves- just as it gets unbearable it eases and you feel ok again.

skinnyeye, really love to hear from seasoned fasters!

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 10:19:19

Happy fast day, fellow fasters smile

HellesBelles396 Thu 11-Jul-13 10:33:16

Exercise calories on fd's (unavoidable): bank or eat the resulting burned calories?

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 10:47:02

Helles your TDEE (if you calculated it) should incorporate activity levels. So you'd not need to eat back exercise calories.

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 10:47:56

Helles - Oh sorry, you meant FDs - no - stick to 500 cals, don't eat extra for exercise (most people on here don't, even if they exercise on a FD).

MissUnicorn Thu 11-Jul-13 11:55:50

Hiya peeps
Well done on your loss Crystal
I'll have to look up this documentary, it sounds interesting. Fast day for me. I'm having yet another stirfry. I love them for fast days. Simple and healthy. Who else is fasting today?

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 12:04:31

MissUnicorn I'm fasting today. Working from home as usual but so far haven't been tempted to eat. Aiming to break my fast with a vegetable curry and dal for dinner tonight.

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Jul-13 12:13:30

I am missunicorn. Vegetarian shepherds pie with sweet potato mash for me later tonight....... smile

BsshBossh don't get me all hungry with your curry talk again grin

AwkwardSquad Thu 11-Jul-13 12:13:35

Hello everyone, I've been mostly lurking on these threads, they're a great source of encouragement. And I need some today, I'm struggling! Fasted on Tuesday, no bother, but today it's tough going. No reason why! So I'm about to have a comforting miso soup smile

ELR Thu 11-Jul-13 12:16:17

Hi all, I'm fasting today too. Went out for a curry and had quite a bit to drink last night so I'm really feeling it today! Normally on a fast day I have black coffee and water until I break my fast around 1pm but today I have already had three cups of tea with milk and loads of water it was either that or a carb fest!
Not feeling hungry really just a bit rough haven't had a curry or drank for ages. Was pleased I didn't over do it on the curry and really enjoyed the food I chose salmon tikka for a starter instead of my usual somosa/bhaji combo.
Well done dotty and french for holding onto the low weight on the morning of a fast that's great fingers crossed for a new low tomorrow.

Good luck to today's fasters, you can do it! Especially you awkward !

I did a zero fast yesterday, found it quite straightforward although I would have liked to go to bed about 1.5 hours before I did (DP has an exam today and wasn't ready to knock the last-minute revision on the head as early as I'd have liked...then he couldn't find his belt to wear today and next thing we know it's nearly midnight!)

I watched the fat, sick documentary on YouTube, it is interesting but I'd rather do 5:2 than live on juice any day!

TonytheFish Thu 11-Jul-13 12:32:02

Talking about weight fluctuations, I have added my trending chart from The Hackers Diet log to my profile, and you can see, the red line is my trend weight, and the white dots at the bottom of the green lines, my actual, and you can see daily, how the white dots go up and down daily, but my overall trend is heading downwards.....

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 12:43:29

Dotty grin

vikkisue Thu 11-Jul-13 13:04:23

Hi - I'm new!
On my second FD today, first was Monday and I really enjoyed it, I saved my entire calories for one evening meal. So I did about a 20 hour fast, which felt fantastic the next day. Today, however, I'm struggling. It's not that I'm particularly starving, I just WANT something! The thing is I'm sort of frightened of awakening my appetite if I have a little something now. I've done everything I can think of, been out for a walk, tried to concentrate on something else, drank water and herbal tea but the craving isn't going away. In fact it's worse due to delicious toast aromas wafting round the office.
Any advice?

Thanks, and also this thread has been quite the inspiration so thanks for that too!
Vx

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 13:06:53

vikkisue could you go for a walk or similar; keep busy with something that takes the focus off food?

HellesBelles396 Thu 11-Jul-13 13:36:46

Thanks BsshBosh

I had a couple of spoons of yoghurt mid morning but didn't feel like finishing my lunch so probably balanced out

Drinking loads of water today!

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Jul-13 14:00:03

vikkisue welcome to the thread! No advice other than sheer willpower I'm afraid as you've already thought of most of the things I'd normally do to distract myself.
Just tell yourself, one more hour, then when you get there, one more hour!!

NaturalBlondeYeahRight Thu 11-Jul-13 14:23:20

My second FD today today, feeling very hungry but good. Loved the feeling I had the morning after. I don't drink tea or coffee but have discovered bouillon (sp?) has 12 Cals made into a hot drink. Helps me out.

vikkisue Thu 11-Jul-13 14:25:20

Thanks for the replies, yeah I'm just gonna tough it out and feel virtuous later.

Cat98 Thu 11-Jul-13 14:44:01

I'm angry with myself. Supposed to be an fd today but I cracked and ate half a large bag of Doritos with sour cream and salsa sad it's the first time I've caved on an fd!
It is time of the month so maybe that's why, I just felt irritable and like I HAD to eat junk.

Oh well I'm leaving it now today and going to fast tomorrow instead. Any motivational tips?

How's everyone else doing today?

Talkinpeace Thu 11-Jul-13 14:46:39

Do not buy any more doritos : if they are not in the house you cannot scoff them

Cat98 Thu 11-Jul-13 14:49:36

Ha true talkinpeace - they were left over from last weekend treat night though! I was saving them for Saturday. Grr.

Ok, back on it tomorrow!

jussey17 Thu 11-Jul-13 14:51:34

I've been lurking for ages and actually fasting for about 3-4 months weight loss minimal and up 4 lbs this week so fairly demoralised and thinking of giving up.
I am doing couch to 5k too which is going ok and may explain weight gain, she says clutching at straws.

welcome vikkisue I drink a cup of chicken stock, the smell and taste tend to calm my hunger pangs more than miso soup.

awkward some days are just tougher than others, try and focus on how you'll feel when you succeed, did the miso help?

also sometimes I do a deal with myself...I can abandon teh fast if I swap it for another day....by thursday, when teh other day is Friday (i don't fast on weekends) i usually then revert back to original plan feelingbetter about it all!

I fasted successfully yesterday, started today thinking I might do 3, but free sandwiches at work were too tempting, but just ate 3 quarters and had a cup of stock, no breakfast so managed a 17 hour fast (2 coffees with milk though) also made banana and chocolate loaf last night (as well as lemon poppyseed and tea loaf the night before) and resisted all of it, and brought into work and still resisted! grin

planning on a g&t or glass of wine for tonight though!

weighed in at 10 13 this morning, which is a definite 4 pound loss in 2 weeks back on strict 5:3 and just hoping this rate continues, but knowing how it works usually I will be just losing 1 pound a week.

welcome jussey could it be TOTM? i often gain around then and get massive carb cravings too, which obviously if I act on then I end up gaining, but it soon drops back to normal again, when you say minimal weight loss, how much?

how strict are you on fast days, do you know your tdee, do you stick to it on NFD's?

well done on couch25k, I did that a couple of years ago and it's great to see how your fitness can improve.

how much do you want/need to lose, are you doing fasting for health or just weight loss?

To be honest you've stuck 3/4 months which is great, it may just need some minor tweaking or re-framing. were you gaining before you started or maintaining?

Today is the second FD of my new schedule. Unfortunately I woke up at 2am coughing and have had little sleep after it and DS has decided that despite being very tired cruising around his cot and wailing is the way to go (I wouldn't mind but he's not even happy doing it!). So I'm knackered, full of headache and not feeling ideal. I'm not feeling hungry though despite planning a different FD dinner and going to the supermarket to buy it. Just sort of looking forward to later.

Tonight I am trying butternut squash pasta, arrabiata sauce and chopped up veggie sausages.

Oh, btw thanks mumsnet for sending me an email with a picture of gourmet chocolates. That really helps hmm

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Jul-13 15:43:59

Oh Eagle I feel your pain! Have some lovely, expensive chocolate tomorrow instead smile

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 16:14:14

Crystal I read your post at 5am this morning and forgot to say

WOOOOHOOOOO!

Fab stuff! Well done grin

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 16:25:15

I'm not particularly impressed with my fast day - I did eat a small salad lunch so only ended up with 16 hours proper fast and I've just added a small ice cream to my fast day calories (only 150 cals, but still...)

I think what I'll do is have an early supper and then skip breakfast tomorrow to get the hours in at the other end of my fast day instead. I want the health benefits, not just calorie restriction.

After many months of this I'm still not happy with doing 24 hour zero calories, but I'm generally feeling pretty great so I'm assuming hoping I'm getting all the desired health benefits anyway. I generally do 19 hours zero fast then split calories between 2 meals, then 15 hours till breakfast.

somewherebecomingrain Thu 11-Jul-13 16:29:58

Hello all

tip really interesting re Ramadan in Jeddah. I like how this woe is getting all sorts of cultural discussions going.

americastorturedbrow just want to say I like your name.

eagle my sympathies with ds in his cot - got two dcs myself hats off to you for your dedication with the LO - he is at the most exhausting stage it sounds like.

AFM an impromptu FD. Did 18:6 yesterday and it felt so right. Not difficult at all so decided to do another. Got to midday, had a cappuccino and just thought why not go the whole hog? It's been the easiest fast yet - following on consecutively from a mini fast which just goes to show how fasting begets a smaller appetite.

I had a glass of Kidz 5-a-day with koko coconut milk - 70 cals? Think its helped. Not sure supplements are necessarily god - there was that guardian article about how too much antioxidants are bad for you...

Xx

Hope I can report

somewherebecomingrain Thu 11-Jul-13 16:30:44

Good not god!

vikkisue Thu 11-Jul-13 16:47:25

Ok just to report, I've nearly made it! I had an OXO drink earlier, that was a life saver and also probably the tastiest thing ever to pass my lips! Not long til I can eat - go me!

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Jul-13 16:57:48

Ok, I am officially ravenous and very much desiring ice cream / chocolates / wine. HELP!

AngieM2 Thu 11-Jul-13 16:59:22

My fourth fast day today and the last 10 days have been going ok. Had to break it at 2pm (school leaving lunch), had gone 17 hours. Couldnt weigh anything but had 1 slice of ham, piece of chicken breast (about 3/4 of a breast, no skin) and small piece of cooked salmon (a square about 5cm X 3cm), some lettuce and half a tomato, oh, and a shortbread biscuit (damn, prob about 100 cal). Please tell me this is within the 500 calories - otherwise I'm going to jump of the nearest cliff or go and get some chippy for tea! Help!

Southeastdweller Thu 11-Jul-13 16:59:35

Hi everyone. NFD here and I’ve almost overdosed on processed carbs which I put down to a few glasses of wine last night. But I’m having a left over veggie curry tonight with no rice so there’ll be a little halo polishing later too grin

Hi pep. It’s not terribly exciting really – my anti-social next door neighbours have been getting on my wick for too long and despite me and my live-in-landlord reporting them to the authorities nothing’s changed so I’m biting the bullet and leaving in the autumn. Been reluctant so far because the London rental market is so expensive now and where I am now is dirt cheap (for London) but my quality of life is crap in some ways and I can’t take it anymore. So I’m going to suck up paying half of my salary on rent for a few months in a nice area and then probably leave London next year to do a post-grad course somewhere up north. I’m just thankful I’m not stuck in this toilet with a mortgage! On the positive side, I think this WOL has a lot to answer for in improving my mood and drive.

Sorry to bore everyone!

angie think you're ok, sounds about 500 cals to me, go you! just have some oxo/stock/miso soup later or tea/coffee/fizzy water and an early night and you've done it!

AwkwardSquad Thu 11-Jul-13 17:12:07

Thanks, mumofcrazynamedkids, I didn't quite manage to tough it out but have only had about 150 cals, with a 17 hour fast. Looking forward to an omelette in about an hour! I have had no access to food this afternoon so that lessens the temptation.

AngieM2 Thu 11-Jul-13 17:13:02

Thanks mum just what I wanted to hear....this is the first FD where I've been in the situation where I haven't been able to count/weigh the food I've had and I don't like the guess work involved. So, water and peppermint tea is the way forward for me tonight. dotty you can do it, think how amazing you will feel if you avoid the wine, chocolate and ice cream...though thinking about it, I'd chop my arm off right now for any one of those!

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Jul-13 17:23:41

Thanks Angie, my fast day dinner is now in the oven and going to have a handful of strawberries with the smallest smidge of ice cream afterwards to appease my sweet tooth!

SquidgyMummy Thu 11-Jul-13 17:23:52

On my 3rd FD now, started this last Wednesday and was thrilled with the original 4 lb weight loss (psychological boost).

However, now i feel like i am gaining and losing the same couple of pounds. After a NFD i am about 12st 2lbs and after a FD I am 12stone.

I was at the gymn 4 times a week whilst DS was at nursery (& lost 10lbs) but now that he is on his summer holiday, i am less active. Am thinking about going for a run in the morning to try and give my metabolism a kick.

I think i need to check my TDEE on NFDs as my BMI is over 25 with good reason overeating
Anyone else had this same yo-yo plateauing? any tips?

icecreamcrackers Thu 11-Jul-13 17:47:07

Help I'm in need of a talking too, on a fast day today after being sick with migraine last night and have eaten crap today.

If I don't eat anything else now I will still be under but if I eat I will be at just under 600. Feel so greedy and disappointed in myself after an easy first week.

MissUnicorn Thu 11-Jul-13 17:49:05

Oooh Vegetarian Shepherds Pie sounds lush Dotty
Cat last TOTM gone, I only managed 6:1. It felt impossible. Maybe if you can't manage a full fast, you could do 16:8 instead?

I've been so tempted to snack today, but have kept going by reminding myself of my reward pedicure for not snacking. Going to make my meal now.

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 17:52:20

mumofcrazynamedkids great loss, but I'm glad I'm not your colleague (I'd be having to resist a lot of yummy cake) grin

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 17:55:06

icecream You are doing fine. But stop eating junk now and aim to eat something healthy for dinner and go over a bit; it still counts as a fast day. I suggest this otherwise you might end up seriously self-sabotaging and feeling worse about yourself.

Next time, plan your eating and stick to it.

I failed to plan properly today and will end up at 600-700 calories I think, and I really should know better by now! BUt some days are like that and as long as it's occasional there's no point wasting time feeling guilty.

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 17:56:04

Betsy I'm not impressed with my FD either - no food but have been having one too many Coke Zeros - argh! I know they are poison but today I can't help it (though have no clue why I can't help it).

angelabbie Thu 11-Jul-13 17:56:18

Icecream, the thing is you have still eaten far less than you would have done on a normal day so really there is nothing to feel disappointed about! If you go over this time you may go under next time. Give your body a chance to get used to it all, its a big change.

Squidgy, I do the same thing, up and down like a yo yo and feel that I am not really losing but I must be as five weeks has seen 3kg disappear. I think also that some lose quicker than others so I try not to compare to others. Do you weigh every day??

mttum Thu 11-Jul-13 18:12:18

Seems a few of us are having a difficult fast day for one reason or another. I've been up since 4am so it's been even longer than usual for me today.

Come on everyone, we can do it! Only a few more hours and we can go to bed then....NFD!! biscuit wine

somewherebecomingrain Thu 11-Jul-13 18:30:18

mttum am flagging - your message really helped

NaturalBlondeYeahRight Thu 11-Jul-13 18:42:25

It's funny how it goes in waves, one minute ravenous, next feeling like you are just running a bit late for lunch. Tuna salad for me in a bit then off for an early night here too mttum

Gilbertus Thu 11-Jul-13 18:42:31

I've had a brilliant third fast day (sorry)!

Nothing until 2 then a 0% yogurt (disgusting actually) activia peach and a mug of miso soup.
I've had nothing else all day. I have a pot of soup in the fridge but I am not actually hungry shock

Beachcomber Thu 11-Jul-13 18:43:30

Gosh I have just eaten my dinner and it was great. Managed all day just on a couple of cups of vegetable stock except when I cracked in the afternoon when we were out and the DC were having a snack in a café and I had a Coke zero. I know they are bad for you and muck up metabolism but at least I didn't have a cake!

Drank loads of water and green tea and felt OK - a bit light headed and vague at the end of the afternoon but it came and went in waves and never got unmanageable.

I have just eaten a big plate of shredded courgette, bell peppers, chopped onion and beetroot with a handful of chick peas, a small slice of ham and a tiny piece of fish to add some protein. I just logged it on LoseIt and it came in (counting the veg stock from earlier) at 405 calories. i enjoyed every mouthful and actually feel pretty full. I have natural yoghurts in the fridge which are 85 calories so may have one later if I feel the need.

Couldn't face my usual exercise, never mind, will do it tomorrow. Am hoping that as my body gets used to the fasts I will manage exercise better.

3rd fast done! (OK I know it isn't bed time yet but I will go early and really don't want to waste the effort of today by cracking now. Have yoghurt as life vest if I start gnawing my hands.)

Thanks for the sympathies somewhere and the optimism mttum

Just waiting for OH to come back then I'm palming the kids onto him and making my dinner. Then I'm off to bed!

Come on FDers. We're either there or nearly at dinner time!

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Jul-13 18:51:07

squidgy if you've only just done your third fast day then a 2lb loss is great! We have all had what we call "bounces" where you go up and down between fast days and non fast days. This is completely normal! Sounds like you might be weighing yourself far too often? If you only weigh once a week, whenever that is, then you'll only see the loss, and not all the ups and downs in between, which might suit you better!
I weigh every morning but take absolutely no notice of the daily fluctuations and only take notice of the weigh in that I do after my second fast of the week. Works for me smile
Keep at it, and the overall trend will be downwards, even if there are some little gains along the way!

Beachcomber Thu 11-Jul-13 18:51:57

Also wanted to say, thanks to everyone here. I have read a few of the threads and picked up so many tips.

Today's mantra was "you can eat that tomorrow" which I read on here and it really did help and put things in perspective (especially when I was sautéing new potatoes from the garden for the children at lunch time!)

Sending solidarity vibes to other Thursday fasters.

trufflehumper Thu 11-Jul-13 19:30:49

Hello smile new to Mumsnet. Was recommended by another mumsnetter to join this thread as was thinking of doing FBI diet. Can anyone tell me what the difference is between 5:2 and FBI and which in their opinion is more effective?
Also for serial over eaters - is sticking to this diet plan achieve able?

HellesBelles396 Thu 11-Jul-13 19:51:47

Lessons learned from my first fast day:

I can survive hunger pangs
Drinking cold water helps with hunger pangs
Having fruit for breakfast is not a good start to my day -trying an egg next week
There is no way I can eat 60g of salad leaves without some protein to liven it up - only managed 30g but wasn't particularly hungry
Stay away from people offering cheese. Yup, 300 calories of brie hoovered up in seconds and I wasn't even hungry.

Ended on 800. Well under what I would normally eatt but well over what I had planned. Disappointing considering I was not even slightly hungry when I ate the cheese.

Gilbertus Thu 11-Jul-13 20:02:33

Ate the soup, plus a tiny piece of fried chicken and two cubes of grilled potatoes - had to taste it just to check... grin

Am looking forward to my first weigh in tomorrow.

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 20:06:41

DH on his way home. In 30 minutes I can break my fast - hurrah! And then 3 NFDs - double (or triple?) hurrah! Am perusing cookbooks to see what I fancy tomorrow smile

Fast broken. I'm very full, very satisfied and just trying to give my stomach a bit of a break before going to bed.

Bssh enjoy!

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Jul-13 20:17:02

Had my veg shepherds pie and broccoli and then a few strawberris and bit of ice cream. But then caved and had a small slice of lemon cake. Aargh! Still, don't think I'm too far over.
Weigh in tomorrow!

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 20:34:27

Dotty I wouldn't worry about cake. Last week I ate a very large slice of chocolate and whiskey cake on a FD night that took me well over 500 cals and still lost. So long as you've been reasonably good all week you'll be fine.

alwaysanauntie Thu 11-Jul-13 20:36:23

A quick hello from me, marking my place.

I slipped off the wagon last week due to humungous amounts of cake at work and 2 birthday parties for my mum, but am back on it grin

Am still trying to catch up with the end of the last thread before I read the 10 pages there already are of this one (it's only been a week - wail!), so apologies if I've missed any major news... see you later!

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 20:44:29

HellesBelles I chop up a bit of ham and ideally a boiled egg to go with my lunch salad leaves, dress it with lemon juice and a bit of fat free yogurt, maybe some jalapeno peppers too... yum yum.

Now you know you can survive hunger pangs try moving breakfast back until you don't need it at all. It's amazing how a big cup of tea and/or coffee can be completely satisfying and doesn't trigger hunger in the same way...

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Jul-13 20:48:53

Thanks BsshBossh I'll report back in the morning!

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 20:49:48

Welcome trufflehumper, if I knew what and FBI diet was I might be able to help you... [racks brains thinking what Mulder & Scully ate] [shows age]

Do read the OP links to find out more about 5:2 if you haven't done so already though smile

Hello to other newcomers I haven't said hello to yet [waves], you're all doing better than the regulars by the sound of it...

PUT DOWN THE CAKES FASTERS AND WAIT TILL TOMORROW grin

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 20:51:01

And the coke zeros... [tut tut] wink

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 20:54:36

I had a disappointing discovery last week: an annoying side effect of this WOE is that sugary fizzy drinks just make my mouth and teeth feel so awful I don't want to drink them anymore. I'm not talking about fanta and the like, couldn't give a monkeys about that syrupy stuff.

I'm talking about gin and effing tonic!

Awful.

And now I'll be kicked off Mumsnet for admitting it.

sad

trufflehumper Thu 11-Jul-13 21:19:28

Hi @betsybell. FBI diet is the Fast, Balance and Indulgence diet. Seems quite similar to 5:2. You fast for 2-3 days @ around 500 calories, then eat balanced foods for 2 days (from a list provided), then have two indulgence days when you can eat freely (within reason if you want to keep losing). Just wondered if it works for those with compulsive over-eating?

Betsy get out ->
follows sheepishly as she never liked gin and tonic anyway

Talkinpeace Thu 11-Jul-13 21:36:29

trufflehumper
FBI diet sounds like an over complicated prescriptive version of 5:2 - is there perchance a book to go with it wink

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 21:43:36

Truffle That sounds interesting and similar to what many of us do on here, except we don't work from a list. I personally attempt to follow 2 fast days (500cals), behave on the other weekdays (no booze, healthy eating), and let go a little bit on the weekend.

The fasting certainly helps retrain and reset appetites so overall eating is reduced. It doesn't necessarily retrain permanently (according to long time fasters who've stopped, and now returned to it), but works well while on this WOE. But it's so easy to do that there's no real reason not to carry on with it. I don't need to lose more weight but it allows me to maintain and have a brilliant relationship with food and I've learnt to love the feeling of giving my digestive system a good break a couple of times a week.

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 21:44:11

Eagle I'll get my coat...

akarucker Thu 11-Jul-13 21:44:31

truffle that seems very similar to what most people do here: fast two or three times in the week, be 'good' on the other week day days, and indulge a bit at the weekend.

BetsyBell Thu 11-Jul-13 21:47:58

I don't like being told when I'm allowed to fast, eat healthy or indulge though... the beauty of this WOE is we set our own rules, or not, depending on how we feel grin

Someone give me a kick up the arse - NFD but no sleep last night (thanks DD) so I'm tired And grumpy and seem to be intent on eating my way through the day hmm

Talkinpeace Thu 11-Jul-13 22:19:21

WHACK
Stop eating. Have a mug of tea and a bowl of miso soup
keep the non cal fluis on the go so that you are constantly slightly full but not with calories

MissUnicorn Thu 11-Jul-13 22:33:26

Well done fasters! Even if you went over you're still well under your TDEE.

Weigh in tomorrow I really hope I've lost something.
Gonna have a brew, exercise and bed.

Mintyy Thu 11-Jul-13 23:02:09

Just marking place, too tired to post now. Will update on gp visit tomorrow.

Warning: it will be a long and and hugely self pitying post!

But, stuck to my 500 calories again today grin. Must be about 90 fast days I've done now.

BsshBossh Thu 11-Jul-13 23:16:52

Truffle I'm echoing others: I've naturally fallen into a pattern of 2 days 500 cals, 3 days balanced/healthyish eating (generally under TDEE but no list as such) and 2 days (the weekend) of eating whatever/whenever/however much I want (though my appetite has strunk). I still call it 5:2.

outingmyselfprobably Thu 11-Jul-13 23:34:24

Going to try my second day tomorrow.

Finished watching Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead. Really inspirational and touching. On Channel 5 on demand.

CrystalDeCanter Fri 12-Jul-13 00:36:11

Oh Mintyy sorry to hear the doc was bad news. Have a good sleep, hopefully all will seem a bit less worrysome in the morning. flowers

Well done to all the fasters, great work.

Interesting to see you talk about Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead. It was on over here (Australia) a week or so ago, my friend was raving about it. I must watch it. I did do a juice fast for a week once. I lost HEAPS of weight (about 7lbs) but was so hungry as soon as I stopped I ate EVERYTHING I'd missed out on and put the weight back on. I wonder if I'd be better now as I'm a bit less panicky when hungry.

JB30 Fri 12-Jul-13 04:17:23

Have a gander on amazon about FBI - same conclusion as all others who commented, if you're doing 5:2, it's pretty much the same. Save your squids and watch this space, its been my daily source of info/inspiration for last few weeks. On hols tomorrow, can't sleep! Going to do a FD today except it won't be a proper 500 but no more than
800 --or 1000, or 1200--as can't fit in a Friday wine on 500. And I gotta have that (dipso) A bit concerned about holidays, one year I put on 10 pound in 2 weeks, about what I've lost over the last 7 weeks! Am aiming to do some 16:8's, plenty of walking/jogging and mindful eating/drinking. It's all inclusive which taking into account my greedy gene is a flashing warning light to me. Anyway, I'll just keep busy, be one of those people who do all the activities. I've already managed to change my eating quite a lot, no reason to believe success can't be achieved away from home.
Happy Friday all and good luck to fellow fasters!

SquidgyMummy Fri 12-Jul-13 05:04:15

thanks Dotty342kids. Just weighed myself after 3rd FD and i am exactly the same weight as I was after my first FD 8 days ago. (12stone 0.5 lbs) Also the tape measure is the same so no NSVs there...

I am getting very frustrated now as although the fast day itself isn't too hard to do; i feel for the same amount of effort, i could have done something like the cabbage soup diet. (Haven't done it in at least a decade) but only needed could stick out about 4 days and i would lose weight and more importantly the weight would continue to come off for a few days.

Here i feel that as soon as i go back to eating normally, my body grabs the lbs back and i am back to square one and each FD i am just losing the same 2lbs. Great if i was in maintenance, but i am trying to get down to 10 1/2 stone.

The only solution i can think of is to go for a run this morning to give my metabolism a kick up the arse and see if i can get off this yoyoing plateau!

JB30 Fri 12-Jul-13 05:19:51

*SquidgyMummy I had the exact same experience as you when I started this, for the first 3 weeks I lost/regained the same weight. My issue was that weekends I ate whatever I wanted, which I thought was ok until I realised I was taking in too much calorie wise, my mfp was showing a good 2500+ some days. Over the course of a week, the deficit I'd earned from fd's was drowned by crisps/choc/wine.
Now I've curbed that and learned to be realistic with balancing what I want with how much I can have, its better but no bones about it, while for some it melts off v quick, its long term loss not short term for me, averaging out at 1 pound a week. I'd much prefer to keep with this, once you find your way I think it's a much nicer plan to live by. Really hope you stick with it after reassessing tdee, it could surprise you

SquidgyMummy Fri 12-Jul-13 06:06:43

thanks JB30 I will have to watch the snacking and calories on the NFDs.
Will try and track my TDEE properly (Although i don;t have a smartphone to use MFP, i have just been using the calorie count website.

I just thought i wouldn't really have to think about what i ate too much on the NFD's, but looks like i will need to be more careful...!

delilahmoo Fri 12-Jul-13 06:28:07

Just marking place! Great thread, full of inspiration and advice. Just completed FD 3, going well and shedding fast so far. My aim is to loose a stone, 5lb gone already, well on the way!

ELR Fri 12-Jul-13 06:38:46

Morning all. Woohoo just got on the scales and finally I'm in the 9's!!
9.12 and total loss of 15.5 lbs. I am so so pleased, keep it up everyone that has taken me 40 fasts/ 20 weeks.

BetsyBell Fri 12-Jul-13 07:15:46

Squidgy you can use Mfp online too. We've all been there btw, and it usually just turns out to be over-eating on nfds. So you might have to be a bit more controlled while losing weight but once you get into the swing of it it will stop feeling like a diet and now you know you've got all the tools you need to maintain whatever weight you eventually get to.

And of course... The health benefits!

Gilbertus Fri 12-Jul-13 07:31:45

11.1 and 3/4 today - that's a 3 and a quarter pound loss this week. Very pleased smile sure I will gain this weekend but that 10 9 goal is looking achievable smile

SoTiredAgain Fri 12-Jul-13 07:31:50

Squidgy if you just diligently track your calories for a few short weeks I bet the pounds will come off and you will get a good idea of portion sizes. Once you understand how much you can eat, you should be able to ease off a bit on the calorie counting. Don't give up and good luck! smile

Well done ELR you must feel great being in the nines and 15.5 lbs is a great achievement. [pompoms] And you too delilah, that's a lot of pounds for just 3 fast days.

I've lost another 1lb, which makes it a grand total of 7lb pounds. Woo-hoo. 8st 5lb. Another 5lb to go.

SoTiredAgain Fri 12-Jul-13 07:32:55

ooh, well done, gilbertus smile

BsshBossh Fri 12-Jul-13 07:33:06

ELR well done!

My official weekly weigh-in this morning and no change.

Good luck today's fasters!

Hi All,
Im here to have a bit of a moan and to ask for help from seasoned 5:2 ers ( which to be honest I thought I almost was after 6 months of this WOE).
After my joy of losing 3 lbs in a week 2 weeks ago which I thought was too good to be true..turns out I was right and 2 of those pounds have gone back on again.
I just do not know what Im doing wrong and Im beginning to get despondant with it all.
I upped my game 3 weeks ago to try and increase my ( always) slow weight loss. I reduced my TDEE to 1625 , did 16:8 on NFDs and upped the exercise to 3 times weekly.
So after 6 months of this Im now 10 st 4 ( started at 11 st 2). A grand total of only 12 lbs....
Im absolutely sticking to it, I have ALWAYS tracked on MFP Every day, and always come under or up to TDEE ,never going over.
Im 49 , 5'3 and BMI 25, so there is still some to lose...at least another stone.
I havent lost sight of the fact that Ive gone down a dress size which is great and I do look / feel much better for it..
But my question is I suppose has this happened to anybody else and what did you do to kick start it off again? Ive no intention of giving up on 5:2 but I really did expect more than this after 6 months and I dont believe my expectations are unrealistic.
What would you do TIP , Bsshbosh, betsy et al..
Sorry for long post..I just feel like Im always posting about about my lack of results!

BetsyBell Fri 12-Jul-13 07:42:09

Whoop! ELR (feels good doesn't it grin)

delilah Fab start smile

BsshBossh Fri 12-Jul-13 07:42:54

SoTired well done too!

Today, I am on the hunt for the perfect slice of Victoria sponge cake smile Needless to say, it's a NFD.

BsshBossh Fri 12-Jul-13 07:49:52

headintheclouds if I were you, I'd stop trying to lose weight for a few weeks; maintain my current weight so that I stoke up my metabolism. I've never been consistently on a "diet" since I started losing weight February 2012; I've had weeks of eating at maintenance simply because I got bored and then when I resumed 'dieting' I lost really well. Taking 'diet breaks' but not going mad and overeating has always worked really well for me and means my body doesn't get used to 'undereating'. Throw in a fast a week for the health benefits and adjust your TDEE on other days up a bit.

well done elr

tmi alert

well on Tuesday if gained 1lb since the previous Friday, today I've lost 1/2 of that. meh. but the tape measure is showing 1/2in loss on both waist and hips, I feel and look slimmer, and yesterday I was wearing a favourite top that I was just drowned in. but I also feel blocked - have been given some codeine linctus and inhalers for this bloody cough (that only seems to appear at night and drive me insane) and I havent gone properly for nearly a week. too scared to try anything like senokot given my usual ibsd state. reckon I'm going to show a massive loss soon just from when my system resets sad

Headintheclouds, you've lost nearly a stone, and are now in the healthy bmi range. Well done! When your body is in that range, losses are incredibly slow. And kudos on the smaller dress size!

I'm similar to you, have lost 12 pounds since January - but I'm Ok with that. Another 3 pounds and I'll be down to 130 pounds, where I'll try to maintain - I'll set a range rather than One True Number to focus on.

SoTiredAgain Fri 12-Jul-13 08:05:07

bssh. I dreamt about eating a Victoria sponge! I so want one or three slice too!

Prawntoast Fri 12-Jul-13 08:14:31

head, I think once you get to a normal BMI the weight loss is much slower. I think I've lost 2lbs in the last 6 weeks or so, over the last 2 weeks its been 200gs. I don't keep to my TDEE, I don't actually know what it is but I think you have to put your activity level into the calculator to get a figure? Are you maybe overestimating your activity level? I know it's frustrating but going down a dress size is great. I don't really have any other advice apart from keeping plugging away at it.

I'm off on holiday today, doubt I will fast but may try 16:8 a couple of times.

"See" you all in 2 weeks, probably be on thread 30 by then!

BsshBossh Fri 12-Jul-13 08:18:42

SoTired it's actually my favourite cake so I don't trust myself to buy a whole one. I will tour some local bakeries/cafes today in my break to find the perfect single slice. The walking should offset the damage not!

BetsyBell Fri 12-Jul-13 08:25:44

Headintheclouds I would eat more one day a week. During my 'plateau' recently I wasn't paying too much attention to nfds, just letting loose (including holiday eating) and then going back to it properly.

Now I generally end up having a more indulgent day each week and it genuinely seems to help.

So the advice is: eat more sometimes. x

BetsyBell Fri 12-Jul-13 08:28:15

Just read Bssh's post - that's exactly how my weight loss has been over the past 22 months and I treat 5:2 in the same way.

tryinghard2 Fri 12-Jul-13 08:44:04

phew, just caught up!
Roma I stalled for the last month (kept losing + gaining same 2lb) so this week I did 3 consecutive like you said. I've made sure to walk enough every day and go running 3 times, and I've calorie counted nfds to make sure I wasn't creeping up but I thought this might give it an extra boost - don't fancy the 'zero fast' smile so I did tues proper fast weds fast with light non calorie counted meal, no idea on calories, thurs proper fast and back to my normal routine today. It was surprisingly easy but not hoping to do it again, hope that will have kickstarted it again! New low today but thats to be expected!!! still want to lose around 10lb so I don't want it to slow down yet!
Jussey17 I haven't lost any scale weight since c25k either in this stall, but just measured and I've lost 2 inches on my bum and I know I am fitter so it's worth keeping at it smile

AngieM2 Fri 12-Jul-13 08:45:57

Fourth FD completed yesterday - was fairly ok but had to eat at 2pm which i didnt like (prefer saving it til tea time). Happy as another lb gone this morning and 4.5lb gone sine starting 10 days ago! Off to the gym now and starting nights tonight so hopefully much calorie burning over next two days.

monster54 Fri 12-Jul-13 09:05:54

Hi ladies,

Just thought I would give you a little up date. I took a break about 4 weeks ago after plateauing for about 6 weeks.

I switched to ADF and have moved going from 11:3.5 to 10:13.5.

So just to those who are stuck I strongly recommend switching to ADF or 4:3. Especially for those who don't have time to make big exercise commitments. I absolutely can't believe I'm in the 10's only just I know!!! But haven't been here for years!!!!

Well done everyone on their losses! Going to catch up properly on the thread.

Dotty342kids Fri 12-Jul-13 09:17:45

BssBossh same here. Glimpsed 10st 6lbs which would have been a new low, but scales settled at 10st 7lbs, same as last week. Grrr! Oh well, not going ot worry too much and hopefully I'll get there next week.

My losses have definitely slowed down headintheclouds, in total I've "only" lost 15lbs in 21 weeks which isn't brilliant but then I've not been this weight since doing weightwatchers 8 yrs ago and so I am really, really pleased (though sometimes I need reminding of that fact!).
So, take on board some of the excellent advice and keep plodding on with it. The fact is that I know you are pleased with how you look and feel now and I'm sure you feel better for it too, so keep on going smile

JB30 Fri 12-Jul-13 09:30:36

Major nsv - 2 people told me I'd lost loads of weight!!! Delighted with myself.
Elr that's brilliant, can't wait to see 10 something, Gilbertus 3.25 is some loss, congrats!
Not weighing in until tomorrow but I feel light as a feather after those comments grin

BetsyBell Fri 12-Jul-13 09:36:52

I'm about to complete my 6th month of 5:2 which seems to be a good time to post up some progress stats -

Total loss since Sept 2011:

Start weight 13st6, (188lb, 85.3kg), BMI 31.3

Started 5:2 mid Jan 2013 at 11st 2.8 (156.8lbs, 71.1kg), BMI 26.1

Today: 9 stone 11.8 (137.8lbs, 62.5kg)
so 19lbs (8.6kg) lost in 6 months of 5:2

So 50.2lbs (22.8kg) lost in total, current BMI 22.9

My target is to maintain around the BMI 22 mark.

Southeastdweller Fri 12-Jul-13 09:37:00

headintheclouds I agree with others that sometimes you should be eating more. I think you're being too rigid at the moment and that actually it's good to keep your body guessing now and then.

ceebeegeebies Fri 12-Jul-13 09:55:40

Morning everyone - have been lurking and read everything but not been posting.

I had a blooming awful fast day yesterday and I don't know why! I am 3 months in so you would think it was getting easier but I was grumpy, hungry, tired...if DH hadn't been home, I would have caved and scoffed the B&J ice-cream in the freezer but he talked me out of it. I was really tetchy with the kids and was in bed by 9.15 as I had just had enough by that point sad I think probably had 700 cals yesterday so it was still a good day but I hated the way I felt all day sad

The plus point is that because me and DH are both doing it, we can cheer each other up on our 'bad' days and the fact that DH was fasting yesterday aswell made me feel guilty so it did stop me diving headfirst into calorie-laden treats wink

Sorry, this is a bit of a 'me me me' pity post but just wanted to write it down and put it behind me so I can move onto next week's fasts in a better frame of mind.

As you were grin

ELR Fri 12-Jul-13 10:06:30

Thanks everyone for the congratulations! It really does feel good to be in the 9's last time I was this weight was 13 years ago and that was after a food poisoning incident in India! I actually had an 8 week stall so keep it up ladies and gents, it takes a while but eventually it starts to go done again.
headintheclouds you are doing well don't despair and keep in mind that 12lbs and a dress size is fantastic. Also hope I'm not being rude but perhaps your age has something to do with it when my mum was around that age she really struggled to loose weight, it seemed to take her ages something like a month to six weeks to loose a lb. Then when she got to about 54 and fully finished the change she was able to start loosing again more easily. But regardless of that you are still in the healthy bmi and that seems to make it more difficult to loose quickly too.
Good luck everyone!

ELR Fri 12-Jul-13 10:10:18

ceebee we all have days like that, whether you are one month, three months or six months in I think it's to be expected! But today is another day and if you fast on Monday like me it means 3 whole days of eating normally with a few treats thrown in. On any other diet you would of had to wake up this morning feeling fed up and still eat rabbit food but with 5:2 you can have whatever you fancy!

vikkisue Fri 12-Jul-13 10:29:25

Hello everyone,
Well I made it through my second fast day and it was unite difficult - I'm hoping it gets easier as I really feel like I want to stick with this. I'd like to lose 3 stone which is a lot but I'm happy doing it slowly, also I'd really like to gain control over my appetite/eating. Talking of control I even went to the pub last night, on a fast day, and had a soda water!!!! Unheard of before! Feel very good about that, my thought process was that I had had such a hard time fasting that I wasn't going to ruin it in the eleventh hour for anybody!

Scales this morning show a 4lb loss since Monday, however, I shan't take much notice of that number and will weigh myself properly on Monday - I hope I don't put it all back on

PaisleyPashmina Fri 12-Jul-13 10:31:32

Hello everyone, hope you don't mind me joining in. I've done 2 weeks of 5:2 so far and lost 8lbs...I'm really pleased. I need to lose around 5/6 stone, will this be achievable with this WOE?

It's 15 months until I get married so I'm hoping I will have reached my target by then. I love reading how everyone is getting on, spurs me along on fast days to know I'm not alone!

BsshBossh Fri 12-Jul-13 10:33:33

BetsyBell those are truly inspirational stats, well done!

vikkisue Fri 12-Jul-13 10:35:35

Wow! Betsy, those stats are fantastic, you were about the same weight when you started as I am now, I'd love to do as well as you - well done you!!!

PaisleyPashmina Fri 12-Jul-13 10:37:23

Well done Betsy that's fantastic!

QueenBoudicea Fri 12-Jul-13 10:38:43

Morning all - lovely to hear of peoples overall weight loss. Sometimes its easy to focus on weekly losses/gains and you lose perspective of the bigger picture. I'm just finishing my third week and will weigh in tomorrow morning. FD for me today.

Woke up this morning feeling leaner - although only 1lb weight loss so far. Lost 2 in the first week and then up again.

Felt spurred on to do some exercise so have just squeezed in 30 day shred and TA arms workout.

Meal plan for today is:

Thai skinny soup - 240 cals
King Prawn mixed salad - 230 cals

Good luck all grin

AphraBehn Fri 12-Jul-13 10:54:17

Morning all, I sympathise with those struggling to fast yesterday. I had the opposite problem in that it was a NFD and I couldn't stop eating. I now know that I can't limit myself to a few spoons of Greek yoghurt with honey, I have to eat the entire tub so I just won't buy it anymore.

I really need today's FD. Am struggling a bit at the moment but it's not proper hunger just peckishness. I need to something to occupy myself I think.

Dotty342kids Fri 12-Jul-13 11:16:28

That's brilliant Betsy well done!!

mehefin Fri 12-Jul-13 11:23:57

I have found the last couple of weeks really difficult but this morning I have had a light bulb moment.

July and August I am going to do 16:8 because I have a garden bursting with fruit and veg and I want to eat it ! Having watched the channel 5 programme this week I realise that this will be a feast of micronutrients which I'm sure I need after the long winter.

Fasting usually energises me but I have found the opposite in the hot weather. I don't want cake nor strangely ice cream but I feel better if I eat more regularly so I'm going to enjoy the courgettes, beetroot, beans, berries, peas,salad ........etc! And look forward to longer fasts in the Autumn

I think this will be part of an annual cycle which makes sense to me

HairyPotter Fri 12-Jul-13 11:37:43

Hello, can I join you all <ingratiating smile>

I weighed myself this morning and I am the heaviest I have ever been. sad. I already knew as my work clothes are getting too small and we were off out for the day yesterday and none of my usual summer standby trousers fitted. blush.

Enough is enough. So here I am. I dabbled with this a few months ago but stopped when I didn't lose anything in my 3rd week. I now realise that I was wildly overeating on the feed days.

I'm really serious this time and intend to hang out here as well as exercise. I've done shred and half of couch to 5k so will possibly do both. Any recommendations?

I'm 5'5 and a whopping 13'8 blush. I'm putting this here to remind me when it gets tough. I can reread and remember why I'm doing this.

In the very short term, I haven't much in the house due to holidays so if anyone has any low cal recipes involving parsnips, I would be very grateful. grin It's that or a risky trip to Sainsburys!

Off to read my way through all the recipes threads now.

mehefin I think that if this woe teaches us anything it is to put faith in our bodies. If that is what your body is telling you then go for it! Especially as its healthy, obviously I wouldn't be saying that if you were talking about a diet of fried chicken and chips.

Apologies to all FDers on the above point (on my mind as I'm having that tonight!!!!!). The lack of sleep has really knocked my appetite - nearly at 16hrs since last nights dinner and still not feeling it - so OH suggested tonight be a calorie laden treat for me. Am intrigued to see how much of it I will actually get through. Also, this is odd as lack of sleep normally makes me want to go carb and chocolate crazy. Am listening to the body!

hairy don't feel so bad, I was extremely happy to get to 13'8 (and 5'5 too). Hope it goes better for you this time.

*and I am 5'5 too

I don't weigh 5st 5!

MissUnicorn Fri 12-Jul-13 13:14:01

Hello Peeps,

Good luck fasters, hope you have a good day.
Well done anyway Dotty, you could have put on. thanks
Wow Betsy Congratulations thanks
Welcome Paisley, I reckon it's possible, but I'm sure one of the more experienced faster will say so too.
Hairy we're about the same weight and the same height. Good luck!

Short story
I'm kind of 0.8lb down from last week, but not really sure if I should count it.

Long Story really TMI; from the beginning

I woke up feeling dehydrated, but wanted to weigh myself with "nothing in". I weight 191.6 and was a bit miffed because last week I was 191.4.

So I had a drink of water, and started doing my Callanetics session. Now the first few exercises focus on the upper body and while I was doing it I was burping like crazy. Then I went to the loo (number 1). I decided to weigh myself again and I was 191.4.

I then carried on with my exercises and was burping throughout the whole session. I weighed myself again when I finished and was 190.6.
confused

Talkinpeace Fri 12-Jul-13 13:29:55

Betsybell
those stats are an inspiration. Well done.

Head in the clouds
I'll agree with the other points you have had. Try to maintain for a couple of weeks. Actively plan you food as if you were at your uber ideal weight, trying not to gain any more ever, but not to lose any.
All I will add is that if you can up your exercise on fast days - even blitz housework is good - then your body will HAVE to draw on reserves, and you'll get toned.

Hairypotter
Welcome aboard. There are many people starting on the journey and travelling through your weight. This is THE place to get support to be where you want to be.

Mintyy
You OK? Come and rant. If you want, start your own thread on this board (so the AIBU lovelies never see it) and we'll run through what the quack said.

In the mean time
winewinewinewinewine tonight YAY!

mttum Fri 12-Jul-13 13:39:31

TIP, are those 125ml or 250ml wines?

Oh well, who's counting tonight, anyway grin

Talkinpeace Fri 12-Jul-13 13:40:17

750ml blush

grin tip

Wow Betsy those are some impressive stats!

Yesterday's NFD turned into a binge day, dinner at a friends tonight so I'm going to try to combat it with doing 16:8 then normal FD tomorrow as my 3rd this week

peplum41 Fri 12-Jul-13 16:07:25

I frequently chuckle at this thread. ERD somehow made a hellish FD hilarious yesterday.

headintclods you and me are the same. Same height, slow loss, Im marginally younger but you're a good stone lighter. I lost the first stone in about 6 weeks but have since stuck, partly plateau, partly piggery. Lets just plod on. Im taking the advice given to you. Im trying to concentrate on toning as toned muscles burn more cals, and you can never be too toned.

mttum meant to thank you for bottled water tip yesterday. Its my new cant leave home without one accessory.

ceebees we're just not used to this heat! Im flaked out by it, if I had attention seeking little uns to contend with the B&Js wouldn't stand a chance. Are you getting to the gym much this week? We've been swimming twice.

Betsy thanks for the stats. A size 6 hoodie speaks volumes.

monster54 yay glad you're back and in the 10s toosmile

mehefin sounds a good idea, lots of lovely fresh from the garden micro nutrients, plus some fasting time. Is the idea to 16:8 7 days a week? Might try that myself for a week or to then return to 5:2.

welcome newbies not mentioning names as they seem to disappear and I want you to stay! Keep with us.

BetsyBell Fri 12-Jul-13 16:16:21

Gosh thanks everyone flowers! It's good to remind yourself how far you've come when you've been doing this for a while - it's easy to get bogged down in the details. 2 years may sound like a lot but there's been a lot of lessons learnt on the way and now I have the tools to never put that weight back on again - far more useful than a quick fix.

I'm 5'5" too! There seems to be a lot of us on here smile

I fasted yesterday but didn't eat again until lunch and had a morning of decent activity. Just got back from school and I was suddenly properly hungry. Amazingly I didn't fancy the ice cream, bread or crumpets but just wolfed down a plate of leftover steamed carrots and broccoli with a slice of ham and some cold baked beans!

Mehefin I drooled when I read your post, I'm regretting not planting courgettes and beans this year - there would have been a bumper crop now!

peplum41 Fri 12-Jul-13 16:17:32

Headinclouds you're actually 2 and a bit stone lighter.

missunicorn callenetics that's a retro vibe! A lot of her moves have been stolen by newer instructors.

virginposter Fri 12-Jul-13 16:36:55

For anyone who missed the wonderful, Fat, Sick and nearly dead, it's repeated tomorrow at 5.00 pm on Channel 5. It will make you smile

monster54 Fri 12-Jul-13 16:47:52

Thanks peplum so glad its started to move again. Hopefully another 10lbs and I'll be at goal!

I know what you mean besty have to keep reminding myself thats 20lbs now!

I watched fat, sick and nearly dead and it was so inspirational. I know this is a way of life for me I just had to bite the bullet and go 4:3/ADF just to get things moving again as I don't have the exercise time!!!

mttum Fri 12-Jul-13 17:42:36

Nearly G&T time: betsybell, sure we can't tempt you? grin

Dotty342kids Fri 12-Jul-13 17:52:46

Gosh it's hot out there. Long drive up to Yorkshire to visit friends tomorrow and may well eat / drink too much but hey, that's what weekends are for grin

Hope you all have a good weekend, whatever you're doing!

mttum Fri 12-Jul-13 18:20:04

Hardest fast day so far yesterday. 4 am start followed by a long train journey and an even longer meeting in London. To cap it all, when I got home I found I'd parked the car near the station right in front of the chip shop!. Then went to pick DD up from her grandad and he tried to ply me with gin, which I just about managed to resist. Had a banging head by the time I opened the house door, so straight to bed for a rather nonplussed DD and then me. But...

I managed it! Zero cal fast all day yesterday, yay!

Been good so far today, but the peanuts and gin are at the ready! grin

Happy weekend everyone.

Talkinpeace Fri 12-Jul-13 18:31:03

Its a shame there isn't a smiley for Ouzo with LOADS of ice and three parts cold water.

SoTiredAgain Fri 12-Jul-13 18:54:59

Unplanned fd today!

I started off planning to do 16:8 but then DS was at home and we were very busy running errands and before I knew it, it was time to go to work. I completely ran out of time for lunch. In the past it would have been an absolute calamity but I took it all in my stride. smile. I just thought I might as well get on with a proper fast. So all eaten up, apart from some strawberries to come. Only downside is that I've had no veg today sad

SoTiredAgain Fri 12-Jul-13 18:56:44

Mttum. That sounds like an exhausting day, well done on getting through it.

BetsyBell Fri 12-Jul-13 18:57:33

mttum Of course I can be tempted grin, however there's a bottle of pink prosecco with my name on it wine wine

Have a lovely evening/weekend folks, I'll see you on the other side...

HellesBelles396 Fri 12-Jul-13 19:02:24

NFD today and am 150cal over TDEE angry with self.

I also weighed myself (I had estimated my weight as 14 stone when calculating everything) and I am 16 stone. All I could think was when 6'1" xh was 16 stone he was huge! And my waist is 40 inches. I can't believe I allowed myself to turn into this.

On the plus side -at least I have a plan for fixing it.

helles <massive hugs> Keep your chin up, you've made a choice to change that now though so don't look back flowers

Helles, don't get too hung up on numbers. Everything you measure is an estimate - even that TDEE figure is an approximation. I find it helpful to do a plus or minus 10% on all numbers, so with that tolerance level I bet your 1150 cals wasn't much at all.

HellesBelles396 Fri 12-Jul-13 19:44:16

Thank you both

QueenBoudicea Fri 12-Jul-13 19:46:18

Fd nearly over. Had lunch at 4.30pm so not particularly hungry now. Would it be ok if I just didn't eat anything else til tomorrow? That would mean I'd only have about 230 cals for today.

Hello! Delurking and marking place. Been reading you all avidly and cheering for you, now I've joined you. Started low carb 5:2 on Monday, fasted Tues and Thurs. Period started today, NFD but am amazingly unbloated and tummy flatter than normal TOTM pregnant look (though still flabby).

Thanks for all the amazing tips and shared stories.

mehefin Fri 12-Jul-13 20:20:10

Hi Peplum I'm planning 5 days a week not sure how it will work around my nights but I will still eat my veggies then. Today I made a big salad of broad beans, sugar snaps, red onion and cooked plum tomatoes with olives, capers and lemon juice have eaten that with a little feta cheese and a slice of sourdough and I feel great.

Plan for next week is to buy a free range chicken and roast that for eating with veg each day will buy wraps and pittas for my boy to add to his meals

Be interesting to hear if you try it for a while too. Seems to me that an abundance of fresh young veg is a true feast!

Am wondering about a bit of juicing I think there is one lurking in a cupboard

Great to hear how everyone is getting on -all the posts are so inspiring

The kids are in bed. I have had my chicken and chips, which was a nice small portion so now have my feet up with some wine. Here's to NFDs!

frenchfancy Fri 12-Jul-13 21:14:23

queen of course it would be ok. There is no need to eat all your 500 cals. Some hard core people do 36 hours calorie free (not me I hasten to add).

Talkinpeace Fri 12-Jul-13 21:17:26

"Unplanned FD today"
I find it hard to explain how happy I am to see that phrase on these threads.
Its about "I was busy and not hungry so did not eat what I did not need"
which is the be all and end all of healthy eating.
FOR EVER

Those who read maintainers will know that I've lost more weight than my target BUT am getting really fit and (being vain) look better and better for it

my current lower limit (target) is a stone lower than the last one
which will take me back to what I weighed at age 18 ...

akarucker Fri 12-Jul-13 21:32:06

Oh blimey, I certainly know how to overdo it on a NFD.

I still have virtually no control on nfd. I have lots on fast days, I wish I could adopt the same mindset for nfd, but a mindset is just that...a mindset....and it's not there.

Adding an extra FD in tomorrow to try and compensate.

Talkinpeace Fri 12-Jul-13 21:35:28

aka
do you log your MFP calories on NFDs to see where the disasters are
I KNOW that Dr MM didn't - but he started at BMI of 24

akarucker Fri 12-Jul-13 21:51:33

tip no, I've got a thing about logging on mfp - makes me feel like I'm on a diet. There is no doubt or confusion as to where the disasters are though hang on whilst I clear up the chocolate, crisp, and ice cream wrappers

Just don't know why I undo all my excellent FD work! I'm a mystery to myself...If only I could get rid of this sense of entitlement I seem to have given myself on nfd, to allow myself to 'not feel deprived' - and believe me, there is no deprivation going on, on nfd!

How did you ever shift your mind? You see, although I do enjoy FD, of course I feel somewhat deprived, so in order to enjoy this woe, I'm fully able to manage and enjoy FD with the knowledge that I can have what I want on nfd. Because if I didn't, I'd be on a diet!!!

Urgh, sorry, I hate to come on here in a bad mood, complaining like this..... I think the problem is, I came into this thinking it was a magic weight loss cure! Perhaps not, for someone who is as naturally greedy as me!

aka May work differently to you but I knew at the start I had to treat this like a diet. It was the only way I'd stick to it. Only after a while when I was in the swing did I start realising what I could eat with my calories and that I could have these treats with no detrimental effect as long as I picked one vice. Maybe, if you're really desperate to lose, try going back to MFP and think "diet" (though dieting with 1830 calories is wonderful - that's my TDEE btw, not sure about yours obviously)

Talkinpeace Fri 12-Jul-13 22:04:40

((((Aka)))))

A quick bit of background to my motivation.
I did not lose weight to feel better or any of that crap.
I lost weight because I was told categorically by an orthopaedic surgeon that I face major surgery on both knees (total replacement) unless I got my ass in gear and lost weight.
For every pound I lose I save a day a month of unbearable pain (I'm now at one per year)

I hate the logging sites, with a will
BUT even at my heaviest was BMI 23.8
so knew what sensible eating felt like

TBH
anybody who has gone over BMI 25 EVER
has to use MFP to relearn quantities
and if you are not losing, you still need MFP
sad / boring I know, but worth it long term ...

BsshBossh Fri 12-Jul-13 22:14:57

aka I'm like Eagle - I am quite mindful of what I eat on NFDs. Today I had cake for breakfast (!) but I had a small lunch and a small dinner (followed by ice cream!) so I adjusted my day. But I certainly don't feel deprived.

BsshBossh Fri 12-Jul-13 22:19:26

And I agree aka with TiP ref. MFP - I logged for a year cause at BMI 36 I obviously had no clue what normal looked liked. Now I know so I don't log (BMI 24 and going down) and can adjust my eating instinctively.

BsshBossh Fri 12-Jul-13 22:21:15

At the end of the day weight loss is all about calories in vs calories out.

akarucker Fri 12-Jul-13 22:38:54

I know you're absolutely right, and I must get over it! My TDEE is 2000. If I can't manage that, then I must log onto mfp. I know exactly what 2000 cals looks like, (years of dieting - I could write the book of calories!) but that's not really the problem. If I don't write it down or log it, then I can just pretend it doesn't count or didn't happen. That's what must stop.

It's encouraging to know that several of you used to track cals but now don't need to. And yes, I suppose I am going to have to change my mindset, at least for the time being, that I am on a diet! sad

aka I always used to maintain that if it didn't have nutritional info on the pack it contained no calories wink. I started with a BMI of 36 though, so that obviously wasn't right hehehe

Southeastdweller Fri 12-Jul-13 22:46:17

Hi all. 1.5lbs off this week so my weight loss now is 33lbs since the end of Jan. Now at a BMI of 21 and don't want to weigh any less but need to start doing weights and yoga a.s.a.p so not quite at a personal goal, iyswim. Going to continue 5:2 for a month or so then go on 6:1 (the prospect of which feels rather scary!).

I've two appointments tomorrow so combined with the very hot weather I think I may as well fast - anyone with me?

aka Have you thought about just not buying so much crap? Hope I don't sound patronising.

akarucker Fri 12-Jul-13 22:48:48

Right then! As of tomorrow, I am on a diet! I know that goes against the whole ethos of this thread, but it may just work for me, for a while. I go on holiday in exactly two weeks, so surely I can do two weeks on a 'diet'! Starting...........NOW!

akarucker Fri 12-Jul-13 22:51:25

southeast your comment just made me lol and snort my tea through my nose! Sounds so simple when you put it like that!

SoTiredAgain Fri 12-Jul-13 22:54:00

Bssh. Did you enjoy your perfect Victoria sandwich? smile

Talkinpeace Fri 12-Jul-13 22:56:55

aka
gissa hug and please do not call it a diet
because diets have success / fail goal / fail built into them
I coulnae gissa shite if your target is 0.25 lb below your current
because targets are not the long term issue

healthy eating is

AND
if you hit a target and find it easy and go past, wahey
I'm 5/5 and currently toying towards 8 stone - my 9 stone pic is public
YOU can look better and younger than me ...

Lizzabadger Fri 12-Jul-13 23:22:01

Sixth fast day down.

Aka - I can totally relate to not wanting to feel deprived. Would substituting healthier snacks help (e.g. Fat free popcorn for crisps, soleros for ice-cream)?

morning all

Some great losses yesterday, well done fasters!

aka good luck with your diet new regime!

Have a good weekend everyone smile

Emilythornesbff Sat 13-Jul-13 08:03:26

aka I have similar ishoos with NFDs. Should have renamed them "trough days" tbh. I can do a 36 hr liquid fast, cope with the hunger etc and feel great the following morning.
but I was applying one of that to NFDs.
I hate mfp. Used it for 3 days. Too time consuming, boring, annoying (insert additional negative adjective).
I am still losing (probable due to ebf) but know I have to change my NFDs or I'll never cope with maintenance. Also I don't drink. (ebf)

I've read lots of good advice here and started to use some of it. Especially the points about adding treats to th end of a meal rather snacking. I also visualise (I think it was TIP's) the "hoovering into the corners" of a digestive system free from snacking.

The thing that is currently working for me is I apply some of the FD principles to my NFDs and I only do 5:2 rather than 4:3 so I'm not "deprived"
During the week I skip breakfast as I felt it was a waste of calories, takes too much time and wakes up my hunger monster.
If I do have breakfast then I try to skip lunch.
I've also committed to not snacking. I try to focus not only on the weight goal but also the health benefits of having breaks from eating.
I don't deprive myself of any particular food. So if I wanted chocolate and ice cream for lunch I would eat it. I would just make sure I don't snack on it.
I don't eat anything I don't want to.
I really try to avoid mindless eating as a general principle.
I find it helps to plan meals as then I have something to look forward to. Like looking forward to a NFD helps me get through a FD, so looking forward to a lovely nourishing meal and some ice cream afterwards helps me avoid the biscuit tin.

So lat night (long day, no dinner prepared) I had a lamb kebab, an ice cream and some Turkish delight. But I didn't snack. Feels food.

Emilythornesbff Sat 13-Jul-13 08:04:05

Sorry. Feels good

HairyPotter Sat 13-Jul-13 08:05:35

Hello again.

My first FD went pretty well. No brekkie, half a pot of sainsbos carrot and coriander soup, 2 sticks celery, then for dinner, I tried the chorizo and butternut squash stew from the recipe thread. It was delicious although I have no idea how they claim it cooks in 15/20 mins. Mine was simmering away for double that and the squash was still a wee bit hard. Still, it means I now got the food ready for my next FD as I made double and still have the other half of my soup left.

I'm still debating with myself if I should log with mfp on NFD? What does everyone else do? Do you all stay around 1800/2000 cals? I also jumped on the scales and have lost 1lb. I don't know when I'll risk my next weigh in, I'm sure I'll be heavier eating in NFD.

I might attempt couch to 5k later. shock

BsshBossh Sat 13-Jul-13 09:04:11

SoTired the Victoria sponge slice made a lovely late NFD breakfast smile

JB30 Sat 13-Jul-13 09:20:23

Woohoo! Weighed in this morning after my 3rd FD (mini FD coz just over 1000 cals but fab for Friday!) and I'm now 11.7.4, down from my start weight of 12.5.2 roughly 2 months ago. 11.8 pounds down - the most I've lost in years. Delighted with myself! Bmi was 29, now down to 27. Challenge is I'm off on 10 days hols all inclusive. Going to do a few 16:8's and going to work v hard on my mindful eating - also do lots of activities treatments Hard to eat cake in a swimming pool wink But all in all I want to enjoy this feeling, look a lot less gutty in my clothes.
Hope everyone's enjoying this glorious Saturday morning, just finished my bacon and toast - yum

peplum41 Sat 13-Jul-13 10:08:27

JB, hi enjoy your holiday. Try not to worry about gaining, it seems to come off real quick like it doesn't get a chance to "stick"! Yes keep active, have salad when you can, drink some water for every all inclusive drinky you have. Fast a bit here and there if you fancy it. Don't eat manky all inc sausages. Whats in them is questionable.

peplum41 Sat 13-Jul-13 10:18:53

Oh and congrats on the loss!

Bizarrely I found myself at 11st 8 this morning. Maybe its because Ive been firing up the metabolism all week, also known as not sticking to any fasts or TDEEs , although I did mini fast Thursday, broken by the temptation of a giant vegetable samosa. Totally worth it.

aka Im the same, finally dawned on me that I need to stop buying wine, as I am weak willed in the evenings. And once Ive had wine I need something to soak it up. Maybe a better diet will help with the insomnia. (hate to sound so preachy).

Breadandwine Sat 13-Jul-13 10:28:50

Anyone else keep their biccies/chocolate, etc on top of the cupboard?

In line with my NES (not evening snacks) rule, I had a biscuit after dinner. Seven biscuits later I tossed the biscuits up on top of the cupboard - where I have to drag the kitchen stool over so I can access them again.

There's no need to worry, since I just skipped breakfast, but I am a little annoyed with myself! [prat]

grin

akarucker Sat 13-Jul-13 10:34:06

Oh yes! Keep it coming! This is all great stuff to hear and stuff I need to be reminded of! Thank you everybody! Adding in an additional fast today to make me feel better. Will probably go over 500, so more like a mini fast, but it feels GOOD after all the crap I ate yesterday.

Last month's resolve of not buying any chocolate worked well. I think I'll adopt it again for the next two weeks before my hols.

Everyone's advice and support is really, really appreciated. Thank you

vieenrose Sat 13-Jul-13 10:37:45

Like Betsybell did yesterday, I'm posting my stats because I have just passed the 6 months mark.

Starting weight mid January 74 kg (11st9) BMI 27.5

Present weight 61.6 kg (9st9) BMI 22.9

That's a total loss of 25 pounds. I've been stalling for the last 6 weeks but I'm not too bothered. My goal is to lose another 6 pounds and then I'll be where I was when I became pregnant with DS1 (Btw, I'm 46 and 5'3).

Good luck to all today's fasters.

AphraBehn Sat 13-Jul-13 10:50:20

Sabotaged a successful FD yesterday because I left it late to eat dinner and then didn't stop eating sad. Just have to learn from it and move on, I think. Will have a mini FD today and have been out for a run this morning to burn off some calories.

Have a great weekend everyone and enjoy the sunshine.

HomeEcoGnomist Sat 13-Jul-13 12:42:41

I weighed myself this morning, 10 days after first logging weight in MFP.
Have had 2 fast days (started properly last Monday but had weighted myself Thurs before) and really concentrating on not snacking

I've lost 6 lbs and 1 inch off my waist!

I'm actually amazed...it felt so painless, I can't believe that's all there is to it!
And I haven't even done my planned skimming because DH has been away with work

Hols in 3 weeks - feeling excited about what can happen before then!

So, anyone who is wondering whether this works or it's just another fad... It really does

Going to have to resist celebrating with too much winewinewine!

HomeEcoGnomist Sat 13-Jul-13 12:43:38

*swimming...although if skimming counts as exercise, I'd be interested to know!

well done home you're off to a great start! (see, we told you it was easy!)

JB30 Sat 13-Jul-13 13:46:14

No many sausage for me Pep and no mad creamy sugary cakes. One thing that might help, we are going to a hotel so not I'll be buying groceries, aka crisps/chocolate. Might help curb the snacking? Would live to aim for 16:8 every second day, go do a run while breakfast is on, paint nails/pamper/swim - I think that might work well. Distraction works good for me, hotel had lots of activities and I could try be the one to join in with the kids instead of dh. Best made plans...in airport with wine grin

JB30 Sat 13-Jul-13 13:47:41

Wow post above sounds like wine is getting to me already! Hopefully it can be roughly understood!

BetsyBell Sat 13-Jul-13 13:50:07

I appear to be having a bit of a fast today... massively over did it last night with the pink fizz and am only just coming round to the idea of food as a possibility. [blee]

Silly Betsy.

Hi, I'm a bit late to the party but I've been inspired by you lot and I'm starting on Mon.

I have a horrifying 4 stone to lose before my BMI is back in the healthy zone- I suspect a diet of chocolate digestives, cheese and wine has taken it's toll on my poor body.

My DS is 18 months old and I'm still clinging on to 10 pounds of baby weight hmm.

Mon is my first fast day, and frankly I'm terrified of being starving hungry all day. Two books have arrived today with lots of recipes and tips. Help!

mttum Sat 13-Jul-13 15:06:08

NSV! I can tuck my t shirt into my trousers without looking totally gross grin

Wah-hey everyone with inspiring victories!

Is anyone combining a low ish carb WOE on NF days?
I have found low carb/primal has always worked best for me in the past and Dr John Briffa (and others) suggest fasting is much easier when your body is already adapted to eating low carb.

Today is a NFD and I have had a few raw almonds at dawn to see me through the first BF of the day followed by 2 scrambled eggs in butter and smoked salmon at 9am; was lovely.

Lunch is seaweed salad, chopped chicken breast, shrimp and bean sprouts.

Dinner will be beef and lentil bolognaise and DH will have it with pasta, I won't bother.

And some nice wine ;)

Breadandwine Sat 13-Jul-13 15:53:54

macca the first day can be difficult - but it does get easier.

And it works! smile

Thank you. I still can't work out whether to have breakfast or not? Is it better to save myself til lunch?

HomeEcoGnomist Sat 13-Jul-13 17:03:30

Macca - from what I have picked up here, and my personal prefsm, I have found it relatively easy to miss breakfast, drink peppermint tea through the morning and get to 2 pm if poss before eating lunch.

For the first few fasts, I allowed myself breakfast lunch and dinner. Then I made the lunch lighter and lighter. Then I skipped breakfasts.

vieenrose Sat 13-Jul-13 17:30:39

Macca
Like a lot of fasters who have been doing this a while, I find it easier to save all my calories (save milk in tea) for my evening meal. Then I can have a satisfying dinner and go to bed on a full stomach.
During the day, I drink lots and lost of water, herbal teas, coffee etc...and try to keep busy. And after a while, you get used to it I promise.

dress shopping today - woohoo. 2 size 14s, one medium and one large. and guess which one didn't fit when I got home? yup, the large (which was from the same shop as the medium!) was too small for me hmm

anyway still please with my haul.

accidentally skipped lunch so have some wine and Pimms awaiting. would be rude not too.

keep going all my fellow losers

akarucker Sat 13-Jul-13 19:17:05

Feeling mighty chuffed that I managed a FD today. It was hot, there was Pimms everywhere, cakes at fetes, BBQ smells, and a chilled bottle of white in the fridge. I can have it tomorrow!! Oh, and I will mfp it when I do have it tomorrow!

Talkinpeace Sat 13-Jul-13 21:06:57

(((ERD))) Size 14 : you star and you know that in 6 months it'll be sizes smaller

((Aka))) thats the way to do it

welcome, welcome newcomers
yes, the trick on fasting is to sleep well
that means NOT going to bed on an empty stomach
that means skip early meals

interesting point .....
do you remember the telly programme "worst jobs in the world" and the bin man in Indonesia
they had a snack at the start of the day , nothing in the middle of the day and then ate all they they could afford before going to sleep

I suspect that is the way we evolved to eat - it makes utter sense

Hello everyone,
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who responded to my post yesterday.. I'm going to take a little bit of all advice given..
Eat a bit more on NFDs, stop trying so hard..exercise more on FDs etc .
Off on my holiday in 4 more weeks and I think that's why I was trying so hard..When I started this in Jan I really wanted to have a BMI of 23 by my holiday.. ( which would put me about 9st 6).. Maybe I'll be there by next years holiday grin and it's not a race is it? Onwards & downwards

peplum41 Sat 13-Jul-13 21:49:08

maccapacca

Report for duty on Monday morning before breakfast, brew in hand.

You will then not require breakfast.

Debriefing will inspire you to keep going. I recommend no more than one wine the previous eve.

Its great, don't be nervous. grin

Talkinpeace Sat 13-Jul-13 21:55:20

peplum
you are daft as a brush

peplum41 Sat 13-Jul-13 22:01:15

aka the queen of resistance.

erd I bet that shop those dresses originally came from is M&S! Their sizes have no consistency at all! Size 14, and the smallest one too. Fabbo!

betsy I can no longer touch Rose wine due to an overindulgence several years ago. It was blee all day.

headinclouds smile hols soon, will do you good.

Well done on successful fasts, NFDs and NSVs. Off to nurse my sunburn after a nice day on the Fylde coast. Attempting fast tomorrow. Gulp.

peplum41 Sat 13-Jul-13 22:11:03

Talkin sad but true. How was your good self after the Ouzo this morning? wink

Southeastdweller Sat 13-Jul-13 22:56:29

Welcome macca Just saying pretty much what the others have said - stay busy, plan your meals and zero cal drinks, and eat a full meal the night before. Also avoid high carb foods. Many of us were scared just before we started (natural considering the conditioning we've had for years about having to have three meals a day every day otherwise something very bad will happen). And remember that you can have it tomorrow.

Let us know how you get on tomorrow pep smile

FD almost done and dusted now which was totally fine as I don't feel like eating much in this hot weather. But I had a random craving for fizzy sweets - went into Tesco and bought a small pack of pre-sliced apple instead. Going to attempt an early night now as no doubt my twuntingly feral neighbours will have me up at 7am angry.

ELR Sun 14-Jul-13 06:53:26

Morning all, up bright and early due to a night of pimms and homemade pizza, didn't over do it but still feeling a bit uuurrggg from all the pizza carbs and sugary pimms! Wondering whether to fast, 16:8, low carb or mini fast today?? I usually fast Monday and prob still will but just fancied something today as feeling a little rough.
Anyone fasting today?

elr I thought I'd posted that with no memory lol. homemeade pizza and Pimms it was for me too last night. am off to my mums for an incredibly seasonally inappropriate roast so just 16:8 for me today.

tip and peplum thank you. it wasn't m&s surprisingly though it was a pair of their size 20 jeans no longer fitting me that made me start this journey (when another pair were just fine hmm ). a shop called forever 21, made me feel all young wink

HairyPotter Sun 14-Jul-13 08:35:12

Hello, I had my first NFD and decided to use mfp. I came in at 1700 and did day one of couch to 5k. Bravely jumped on the scales and I lost another 1lb. I don't think I'll weigh myself again for a week because I know a gain would set me back, even if it does even itself out in the end.

Some really positive success stories on this thread, I think I'm going to read through some older threads later to keep focused.

Can I just say, the title of the last thread, 'put that biscuit down, you can have it tomorrow' is the reason I choose this diet over ww, sw and low carb. grin I like food so knowing I can have what I want the next day means I don't feel deprived.

Good luck for everyone on a FD today, I'm doing my second one tomorrow and the food is already prepared so fingers crossed I should manage ok.

BetsyBell Sun 14-Jul-13 09:35:14

HairyPotter Yay, my thread title inspired you grin

Sounds like you've embraced this wholeheartedly and you will have a success story of your own to add here before long. Couch to 5k is addictive - I did it last year and now run (jog) for fun! Something I never ever ever thought would happen to me.

The whole point of this WOE is we never feel deprived (for long).

Eagle WHOOP! Excellent NSV

peplum it won't put me off for long I'm sure... don't offer me strong cider though [boak]

Just had an increasingly rare breakfast - don't often bother on week days now. But this one is so good - full of power! 2 slices vogel bread toasted (sourdough or similar would do the trick too), thinnest smear of butter and marmite on each, avocado slices, drizzle of lemon juice and lashings of pepper,then topped with some thin slices of tomato. It's guacamole on toast essentially isn't it? YUM. Oh and a big cup of fresh brewed coffee, with cream grin.

NFD grin grin

It feels good not to be hungover...

vieenrose Sun 14-Jul-13 09:53:55

eagle
For me too the start of this journey was a size 20 pair of trousers I could not fit in. To my shame the shop didn't have anything bigger! That an the horrible feeling of my ribcage being ensconced in rolls of fat whenever I was sitting down.
Now shops have clothes that not only fit me but suit me as well!
Fast day for me today again
Good luck to all the losers

somewherebecomingrain Sun 14-Jul-13 10:00:03

Yes I'd like to add that the last thread title was genius

HellesBelles396 Sun 14-Jul-13 10:03:42

Having an additional fast day today. Yesterday I was at alton towers and, during the slush and ice-cream frenzy, realised I would LIKE a fd to get over the high-fat, high-sugar excesses of yesterday. I love that I don't feel I have to do it but am doing it because I want to.

Boiled egg and huge cuppa for breakfast :-)

peplum41 Sun 14-Jul-13 13:49:44

vieenrose, thanks for the stats up threadsmile. You started where I am now, inspiring to think I could be 9st 9 in 6 months. More likely to be the low 10s. My goal for then is to buy a nice winter coat in the sales, hard to imagine wanting such a thing when my arms are glowing with sun burn.

helles Isnt it great actually wanting to fast. We get the best of both worlds on this woe.

ELR what method did you choose for today? Im attempting the full on nothing til teatime 500. Going well so far....

SoutheastD Well done on the successful fast yesterday. Hope those neighbours let you lie in. They're up unusually early for such feral types! Your poor landlord. If you do decide to dwell up north, theres so many amazing places to choose from depending on what you're into.

vieenrose Sun 14-Jul-13 14:06:30

peplum
You're welcome. That coat is beckoning as we speak. How much have you lost so far?
Fast going well for the time being (fingers crossed)

MissUnicorn Sun 14-Jul-13 14:10:44

Peplum yes retro indeed! I really like callanetics as it's gentle enough for my back problems yet I feel I've done a workout.

Good luck to any fasters today! What is the general consensus on eating back your exercise calories? I don't, but am wondering if I should?

Had a splurge Friday and am taking that into account today.

I'm really chuffed with myself for not snacking this week. I didn't think I was going to pull it off if I'm 100% honest. grin
It wasn't easy, but not as impossible as I thought it would be.

Thanks for the stats, they make interesting reading and are very inspirational smile

mttum Sun 14-Jul-13 15:59:22

Not that I'd recommend it, but toothache is very effective at reducing appetite sad

peplum41 Sun 14-Jul-13 16:14:00

Hi missunicorn its recommended that you stick to 500/600 on FDs, aim to not eat them back on NFDs, but enjoy the extra cals that exercise gives you when needed for socialising or when really hungry. If you find you can get by without eating back then fine. Personally I need them being a piggy old trougher with a wine addiction. Can you do all the callanetics moves? I could never do the bum one, where you sit behind a chair. Or the legs open and close.

vieenrose Ive lost just over a stone since late Feb. A whole dress size. The first 10 -14 lbs came off fast and easy. Its been hard and slow since early May. Sticking it out though.

Todays fast going ok. Not up to much today, just distracted self by looking at reviews for steam mops on Amazon. Got to do some cleaning soon, Bread&wine alerted me to the fact that the tops of my kitchen cupboards aren't very clean(he puts his biscuits there). Not in the mood but once you start these things you soon get into it. Im not disturbing any spiders on fly patrol.

Gilbertus Sun 14-Jul-13 16:26:11

Weighed myself this morning after 2 piggy NFDs and have put a pound and a half back on. Really hoping this isn't going to be a case of 2 pounds off, 2 pounds on which seems to always happen to me whatever diet!

vieenrose Sun 14-Jul-13 16:39:39

peplum over a stone is very good going. Slow is the way to go with this woe.
I don't know about everyone else but I can see myself doing this forever. I know from past experience that as soon as I stop controlling my eating, I put everything back on and then some. And I don't mind a woe that enables you to eat well (and drink ) on most days. In fact I quite enjoy fasting after a weekend say of splurging.

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HelgatheHairy Sun 14-Jul-13 17:03:20

Hi, I had started a stand-alone thread further down but BreadandWine recommended I posted here.
I lost a stone doing 5:2 last year but stopped as I got pregnant. DH wanted to lose some weight so I recommended 5:2 as I'd gotten on so well on it.

He's now 2 weeks in, has done 4 fast days and hasn't lost any weight and I'm confused. He sticks to 600 calories on the fast days (I know because I do the calorie counting for him) and he pretty much sticks to 2500 calories on the other days (I've forgotten the acronym but how many cals a day he should have).

I THINK he might be eating too much junk on his days off - Doritos etc but I kinda did that as well and it didn't affect my loss. It could be salt retention but not too sure if that would mean he didn't lose 2 weeks in a row. Did think the scales might be a bit wonky as previously they weighed me at 10 stone 14 pounds but they're weighing me the same as the doctors scales.

He's keeping going but I'm a bit disheartened on his behalf as I had such good results and raved about it!

Talkinpeace Sun 14-Jul-13 17:07:55

helga
What is his TDEE?
Just that the 2000 / 2500 figures are much too much for many people
also, if you are doing his calorie counting, how do you know what he eats when he's not with you?
He has to do it himself

wonderful thing on radio 4 a couple of years back - half of all pork pies are bought, cash, in a separate transaction after the end of the shop - so people can pretend they did not buy them ....

Dotty342kids Sun 14-Jul-13 18:03:17

EVening all! gosh, it's hot isn't it? I've been away this weekend and if I didn't eat the calories, I most definitely drank them shock. Normally I'd fast tomorrow but we have a team away day with lots of food available so not even going to attempt that.
Tuesday and Thursday for me this week instead.
Good luck to all the usual Monday fasters smile

HelgatheHairy Sun 14-Jul-13 18:05:15

talking His TDEE is 2453 (He is 12 stone 8.2 and 5 foot 6)
I know what he's eating because he'd doing the fast the same way I did, which is he doesn't eat until dinner, which is usually about 400 cals and then has something before bed, like a muller rice or something.
Would it be better to split his meals?

He CAN count the calories himself but as a lifelong dieter I tend to know the value of things off the top of my head and I remind him to look at the calories per portion, and not per 100g or whatever.

He doesn't need to pretend he didn't eat something, if he said he had a pork pie on a fast day I'd just shrug. He does have pork pies on his off days though.

Helga does his tdee include exercise? I'm not a great believer in the exercise levels on these calculators so normally suggest setting to sedentary or at least one level below the exercise level you think you are.

HellesBelles396 Sun 14-Jul-13 19:46:56

Interesting about the exercise EagleRiderDirk may I ask why you are sceptical? Is it because we tend to overestimate the activity levels of our own lifestyles or because of an inherent problem with the way the calculators work. I ask because I put in the lifestyle I believe I have (lightly active because I spend most of the day standing though not necessarily moving about a lot) and I was amazed how high my tdee was.

Absolutely stuffed - and on a fastday! And I had breakfast and lunch. Love this WOE - even after less than a week, I can tell this suits me.

helles a bit of both actually! I am quite active, running around after kids all day but I work to sedentary as I felt the Tdee was overestimated and also working to minimum any exercise calories burned are a bonus.

SoTiredAgain Sun 14-Jul-13 20:41:51

Helles Yes, it could be the activity level that he has put in. I have set my TDEE to sedentary so that, as ERD says, any exercise burned are a bonus or you can bank those exercise calories for another day eg going out for a meal etc.

NFD today. I logged my calories today on mfp (was a fairly typical day for me) because I like to I log at least once a week to make sure my portion size are not getting too big. Anyway, I am not eating all my TDEE calories - still. Struggle to eat my "allowed" calories tbh - hopefully it won't cause any long term problems if I continue to do this? My TDEE is 1470 and I only ate 1234.

MissUnicorn Sun 14-Jul-13 20:50:42

Thanks for the reply Peplum. It's good to know I can use those as a buffer; don't feel too bad now that I let the sexy bartender make me a cocktail full of calories last night.

I don't have a barre or anything I can use as one now, but when I did, I managed 2 open and close! I can do the bum one though. Even though I have the book I still watch the video to laugh hysterically at the exercise gear remind myself to slow myself down as I'll speed through them otherwise. http://video.yandex.ru/users/ekzark/view/243/?cauthor=ekzark&cid=11

I'm doing Tuesday and Thursday fast this week too Dotty

Southeastdweller Sun 14-Jul-13 21:03:20

Hi Helga. I'm thinking he's eating too much on NFD's and simply not registering it all subconsciously.

BetsyBell Sun 14-Jul-13 21:14:59

sotired If I've got my maths right (probably not!) you're only below your tdee by 16%. If you find you're not losing weight you might find you need to have a day or 2 a week when you do try and bump it over a bit but if all seems fine then I wouldn't worry too much.

helga Maybe your DH needs to eat according to his 'sedentary' tdee? Maybe he's over-estimating his activity levels? The good news is he's found a way to maintain his weight easily but if he wants to lose he needs to eat a couple of hundred calories less each day I think!

Breadandwine Sun 14-Jul-13 21:16:36

Can I just say, the title of the last thread, 'put that biscuit down, you can have it tomorrow' is the reason I choose this diet over ww, sw and low carb. I like food so knowing I can have what I want the next day means I don't feel deprived.

Yes I'd like to add that the last thread title was genius

Betsy please can I offer you some of this humble pie!

blush

BetsyBell Sun 14-Jul-13 21:28:28

B&W I'll save the pie till Tuesday as I'm fasting grin wink

SoTiredAgain Sun 14-Jul-13 22:38:36

Thanks, Betsy. smile At the moment, I am losing about a lb a week, which I am happy with. If I stall, I will try to increase my calorie intake.

Awwww @ B&W

mamamoomin2 Sun 14-Jul-13 23:10:35

Motivation needed!

So after a month or so on a break for 5:2 I'm starting up again. I have lots going on at work and have.lost my fasting mojo (i also had a looong plateau which didn't help)...but I want to shift this last stone and be done with it.

Not sure how 2mo will go but am hoping I cam cope, still think by 3pm and not reach for a fat (which I also recently started after 1.5months off - Urgh how did it all go so wrong?! On a plus point, have started mindfulness course so hoping that will help in all my troubles!

Oh dear..don't mean for it to all be doom and gloom!

mamamoomin2 Sun 14-Jul-13 23:12:28

Sorry typos! Fag not fat...but I hope I don't grab a block of butter or cheese , as much as I'm fond of both smile

Breadandwine Mon 15-Jul-13 00:07:35

Best wishes, mama!

You know you can do it. You just need to declare yourself 'In the zone' and your fasting mojo will magically reappear!

And step away from the fags, you do NOT need them!

grin

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 15-Jul-13 02:03:07

Hey all. I haven't been here for a week or two because I have been sulking.

Why have I been sulking? Because I went off-piste for a week because I was solo parenting and couldn't be arsed - that means it's 12 days since I last fasted - and I have put on FIVE POUNDS. FIVE. I finally got back down to 60 kg and now I'm 62.5.

And it's not TOTM. And it's not a weird reading; I have weighed 62.5 consistently for the past week (so, from five days after my last fast, actually) except when it's been higher. How did I put on 5 lbs in 5 days?

I can't do this if two months of effort can be undone in one week. Seriously.

CrystalDeCanter Mon 15-Jul-13 02:46:52

Oh tortoise what an absolute fucker. I would be sulking too, it's just so bloody hard this fasting (am mid fast and starving). I know people who have done this longer term have up and down wobbles. Maybe it's that? Are you fasting this week? Did you really stuff yourself on yr week off grin, be honest.

I took a look at myself in the mirror yesterday and wasn't v happy so really need to lose these remaining kgs. It's taking a while tho.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 15-Jul-13 02:59:34

Well, I did and I didn't - I mean, not to the point of feeling sick or anything! I didn't watch what I ate at all, and since DH was away I tended to the Brie-on-crackers-with olives style of dinner, but still.

Yesterday morning - although, after breakfast, so it didn't really count - I was actually 64 kg, which is my starting point. And my fat jeans felt uncomfortable. But 62.5 this morning is what I'm counting.

Weight does fluctuate up and down by more than you think. Hopefully that's mostly water retention and you'll see it disappear again after a few fasts.

Not sure when to fast this week - I like Monday's but it's a holiday here, and I'm supposed to be going Out with DH for some touristy type visits. Easy enough to avoid the overpriced cafe food and just have a black coffee, BUT I have a chicken which needs using up and really should be roasted tonight, AND I had a terrible day of eating yesterday (lunch out with DH during which he sulked about the position of the table, I got upset, and spent the rest of the day eating crisps and jelly beans). So I think I should try to eat sensibly today, enjoy a zumba class this evening (haven't been in yonks), do the chicken tonight, and then fast tomorrow when I'm back at work.

BetsyBell Mon 15-Jul-13 07:19:51

tortoise a couple of fasts will see off the extra pounds. I put on weight very easily and I know that 5:2 is a way of life for me now to keep those pounds off. Those weeks you weren't losing? You were maintaining and that means you weren't putting weight on. It's easy to forget how quickly it goes on again until we go off piste!

Don't despair, you can do this, you know you can and maybe you'll enjoy taking control again?

BUT it's also ok to take a break but best to enjoy it next time, now that you'll put a bit back on but also you'll know that you can quickly get rid of it again.

It's not laid down as proper fat yet, they'll be a load of water retention and indigested food in your system so those pounds are not true weight yet.

So, get back to it and you'll feel better but please don't think that you've undone all your hard work, you haven't.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 15-Jul-13 07:23:40

But. I mean, I want to believe you. But.

FIVE POUNDS.

IN A WEEK.

That's ten fasts! That doesn't feel like "Quickly getting rid of it".

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 15-Jul-13 07:27:12

By the way, though, I did mean to stop being so self indulgent and congratulate you on your very impressive and hard won stats from upthread, Betsy. Good for you!

SoTiredAgain Mon 15-Jul-13 07:41:21

FD today. Planning to do 30 day shred. Wish me luck because DS is at home. Last time I did this with DS at home he was crawling under me when I was trying to do squats and climbing on me when I was doing the plank exercises. He is high as a kite today. Right, off I go. [braces self]

BetsyBell Mon 15-Jul-13 07:58:48

tortoise and I did all that while putting on at least 7lbs on every holiday...

I honestly think that newly put on weight (not yet fat) will come off in 2 fasts... Care to try and prove me wrong? And yes, that is a challenge grin

Itsaboatjack Mon 15-Jul-13 08:24:51

Sorry I've not been posting much recently. I've had a difficult week and only managed 1 fast. Silly really, if I'm struggling I know I should come on here more as there is always wonderful support.

I can't do an FD today as I have a meeting with my wine rep to update my wine list so there will obviously be wine tasting involved and I've always had trouble with the spitting it out bit of it grin. I will 16:8 though and FD tomorrow.

Good luck to all today's fasters.

I'll read back over the thread later today and try and contribute a bit.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 15-Jul-13 08:31:21

Oh, aren't you wonderful, Betsy. Thank you so very much.

I'm at 5 pm of a fast day today - two skim coffees (140 cal) and a good hearty 300 cal dinner planned for later (white fish, udon noodles, wakame seaweed and a lot of green veg). I will be happy if I am wr