The 5:2 Thread number 20! Officially a score.

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GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 20-May-13 08:27:06

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

Thanks again greeneggs flowers

ceebeegeebies Mon 20-May-13 08:37:47

thanks thanks

Lazytoad - in answer to your question on the last thread, yesterday was a NFD and we went to Chiquitos for a BIG tea...and I wonder why I slept so badly hmm

Am not fasting today as going to a soft play area with DS2 and I am not strong enough to resist lunch there grin

Dotty342kids Mon 20-May-13 08:38:33

Thanks greeneggs!
I had a bit of an overeating weekend really, not helped by the large bar of Dairy Milk that my DH appeared with at 7.00 last night which I scoffed. Bit disappointed iwth myself but not going to let the guilt monster get me.
Fast day today as usual and about to go to zumba and then do 155 squats! My backside is seriously aching grin

LickTheSpoon Mon 20-May-13 08:57:53

Thanks greeneggs.

Dotty i feel your pain. I have gone into a chocolate frenzy - this is why I don't normally keep the stuff in the house. It's an NFD and my warped logic is telling me if I eat it all today it won't be there to tempt me tomorrow (FD). Arghh! I need to get real. Whenever I eat it, it will end up on my hips!

Can't remember who asked on last thread about when ppl eat cals on FD - but having tried various ways, I am definitely of the 'leave it as late as possible' school of thought. Have light dinner - often soup, then a cuppa and clear off to bed before get hungry again. But I find a couple f bits of really cold watermelon good (and v low cal) if I absolutely need something in the afternoon.

I tried zero cal and found the day easier than 500cal day in some ways - but like emily I found it made me crazily hungry the next day so not sure if I will do again.

Fast will be tough tomorrow as the baby has had a run of v disturbed nights and grisly days, so am knackered...have def been eating in lieu of sleep today.

Moominlandmidwinter Mon 20-May-13 08:58:44

Morning all.

I also had a bit of an overeating weekend, and feel really bloated this morning. I'm actually looking forward to fasting today! I'm going to throw myself into the housework.

Bramblesinafield Mon 20-May-13 09:00:42

Morning. Yet another who had an indulgent weekend and a temporary bounce up because of it. I'm on a fast day today, but it may be cut short as I think I may be out tonight with friends. If so, I'll look at it as not so much calorific damage as it could have been and fast tomorrow!

INeedThatForkOff Mon 20-May-13 09:17:28

Thanks for the thread smile

Badvoc, I have my cals as one meal about 6pm. I think if I grazed in small meals I'd go over. This way I'm hungry but I don't have to think about what to eat. At fewer than 200 cals if I split it into three, it probably wouldn't fill me up anyway.

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 09:18:31

Good morning everyone, fast day here - for most of us I expect smile

I've had a few weeks of nice easy and steady weight loss so now comes the backlash - I seem to be commencing one of my regular periods of body holding on to every ounce it can so I'm stating here now that I'm going to NOT EAT ANY SNACKS this week - ie no eating unless it's an actual meal. I'm not talking chocolate and crisps, I don't generally have issue with commercial snack food, for me it's 4pm when I absolutely must eat raw nuts and dried fruits, or some crackers with cheese, oh and the picking while I'm preparing dinner as well. Got to stop.

But if I'm going to ride out this week without (more) weight gain then this is what I must do. It's a habit I'm desperate to break too. Damage so far weight-wise is 3lb over 3 days.

ELR Mon 20-May-13 09:22:30

Morning all, thanks greeneggs
Had a really bad eating weekend. We had dominos pizza last night. Never in all my life have I bought a take away pizza as I prefer to make my own or go to pizza express. I've been to Pizza Hut years ago and thought it was vile so assumed dominos would be the same and I was right! I still managed to eat half a large one though but felt awfull afterwards really bloated.
It's because I'm so close to the 9's it's like a form of self sabotage, does anyone else do that?
Anyway new week and new day so fasting as usual, I r got a really sore throat and don't feel like eating at the minute anyway so hopefully tha will continue and et me through the day.

ELR Mon 20-May-13 09:25:15

betsy I will join you with no snacking I'm the same nuts and peanut butter on wholemeal toast is my 4pm downfall ooh and sampling as I'm cooking!

whats4teamum Mon 20-May-13 09:30:17

Been on a plateau for about 4 weeks and its really annoying.

I have been doing 30 day shred since mid April and walking min 10000 steps per day. I'm doing 500 calls on fast day and tracking 2000 on mfp on NFD.

Why am I still the same bloody weight? 5' 4" 11 stone 3 lb down from 12 st 8 lb in January. I peeked 10st 13 lb four weeks ago and have stuck at just above ever since.

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 09:30:55

ELR Self-sabotage: yes, me, I ate an entire block of brie on the same day I had my glimpse of 9s on Friday. It was bloody lovely though. However, this morning I am 10 stone 3 hmm

Sorry to hear you feel rough.

I have learnt now that take aways are not an option for me anymore, they all make me feel vile so would rather spend the money on extra lovely ingredients and cook stuff myself.

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 09:33:12

Whats4tea My last plateau lasted 4 weeks, I lost less than a pound over the whole period. But once I started losing again it slipped off like melting butter! Persevere, it's worth it. I think I may be entering another plateau period so telling myself this too.

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 09:34:45

ELR xpost. Right, No snacking it is - I'll see you here at 4pm every day for a mutual pep talk then?!

fatsatsuma Mon 20-May-13 09:38:40

BetsyBell and ELR I think I'm in the same boat. I've been hovering around 10 stone 3 for several weeks now, having lost 7 lbs in the previous 7 weeks. I did see 10:1 at one point but then bounced up again. And over the weekend I totally lost all self-control and went on a total sugar bender angry

This is the weight that I always seem to get stuck at. It's well within a healthy bmi for me, but I would love to be nearer 9.5 stone to shift the last bits of blubber. I'm worried that I'm going to give up again, like I have done previously at this weight, and then it will slowly creep up again.

I did two and a half 500 cal fasts last week (intended to do 4:3 but ran out of willpower on Friday evening) and now can't do another one til Weds for various reasons. And I felt sooo hungry this morning that I had a huge breakfast. Help! It's all going wrong...
<wrings hands and eats chocolate>

virginposter Mon 20-May-13 09:39:03

greeneggs thanks

awomanchanging it's quite common at the beginning of this woe to have digestive problems but after a while these sort themselves out.
I've found it's the same with feeling really cold, as time goes on this lessens smile

fatsatsuma Mon 20-May-13 09:40:50

ah BetsyBell missed your last post about plateauing. You give me hope - I love the sound of it slipping off like melted butter grin

do you think if I just carry on with 5:2 I will eventually get over the plateau? 4:3 is just too tricky at the moment.

awomanchanging Mon 20-May-13 09:44:53

Thank you all! Not sure who asked about meal timing. I've always been a eat when I almost feel hungry or am hungry. With only 500-700 cals to spare on fast days I find a nice big salad with protein filling which would either be lunch or dinner, in the morning I'll have a protein shake and for dinner it would revolve around veggies and protein as well. I spread those out by at least 4-5 hours each and I'm fine.

To the person who said on nfd they tend to eat everything. I want to say that for me I look at food as fuel, because it gives us energy. But I know for specialty foods I'll probably wont eat in a while I take some advantage of it but I make sure I am aware of it. This week I'm going out of town so although there will be some yummy foods I plan on not overeating and drinking water and eating slowly. Food will always be there, unless its a famine. But otherwise I know most likely I will get to have that food some other time in life. Hope this helps.

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 09:46:26

fatsatsuma (love that name!) & ELR Right, sounds like we're all in similar boats, looking to get to the same sort of weight, lets get this on.

fats Ok, so you can't fast till Wednesday but you can join our NO SNACKING group so put down the sugary goods and stop self-sabotaging! Just because you can't fast it doesn't mean you can't eat sensibly right? A sugar-laden weekend is one thing, but let's make weekdays super-healthy.

[Typing with far more enthusiasm than I'm feeling right now - waiting for caffeine to kick in...]

awomanchanging Mon 20-May-13 09:46:45

Thank you virgin! I read that online as well. Hope it levels out as I return to work today and would hate to be running to the bathroom every hour. Good thing before 5:2 i was always cold anyways lol

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 09:48:21

Oh and yes to sticking with 5:2. It sounds like attempting to do more will just result in feelings of failure which leads to more eating of crap...

I only ever do 5:2!

NoForkNKnife Mon 20-May-13 09:53:24

Did we all go overboard? I'm really hoping the gain I've just seen on the scales is short lived. But, tbf, I had a gain last weekend (in fact 3lbs higher than this morning) and I still lost over the week.
Supposed to be a FD. I've been up all night with DCs. Like someone said up thread, I'll be wanting to eat to stay awake. I've got to try though. There will always be an excuse.
I like the no snacking rule! I'm more of a bubbler of other peoples snacks blush than my own.

NoForkNKnife Mon 20-May-13 09:54:11

*nibbler!

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 09:54:20

Last post to fatsatsuma

And a big bunch of flowers and a [mwah] to greeneggs for the lovely new thread.

whats4teamum Mon 20-May-13 09:56:50

Thank you betsybell. You have stopped me wandering downstairs and demolishing the bread bin. I will persist and hope to see it slipping off like melted butter soon.

fatsatsuma Mon 20-May-13 09:58:00

Thanks betsy your encouragement has given me the boost I needed smile

And I'm going to second the flowers for greeneggs cos although I tend to lurk rather than post, these threads are brilliant and so helpful.

Farewelltoarms Mon 20-May-13 10:10:57

Hello all, I'm 10.4 from 10.13 in about five or is it six weeks. V happy though it was aided by nasty stomach bug over the weekend. Two summers ago, I weighed myself a fortnight before a holiday and panicked that I was (what I thought of as massive) 10.8 and panicked into losing 4lb before the holiday. Came back from my week away and was 10.10 - in one week!
Anyway, all this babbling means I'm now at the lowest I've been (bar that brief moment) since about the summer of 2010. Another three pounds and then I'll be the lowest since having children, I think. And that does seem very doable.
Question - has anyone done their fast day split over two days i.e. from 3pm until 3pm the next day? It says in the book that you can do this but not sure how it works. I had a late lunch yesterday (about 3pm) and didn't eat anything after it (not hungry) and am fasting today. Would it work if had a normal supper today or should I treat the whole of today as a fast day despite not having eaten since 3pm yesterday?

Farewelltoarms Mon 20-May-13 10:12:20

By the way, I've lost 9b and nobody's noticed as far as I can tell. Plus I don't actually feel any thinner nor do clothes seem noticeably looser. Hmmmm.

ELR Mon 20-May-13 10:35:17

Thanks betsy will be here at 4pm everyday! It's when I get in from the school run and sit down with a cuppa and suddenly feel ravenous!
I'm back to 10.3 this morning too after seeing 10.1 a week ago.
I go on holiday a week tomorrow and really wanted to be under 10 but I guess it doesn't really matter it was just a mini target I set myself. When I started this woe i was 10st13.5 and it was exactly 14 weeks till holiday so figured 1lb a week would be 1stone loss getting me to 9st13.5 but this is a WOL so I'm in no real hurry I suppose!

frenchfancy Mon 20-May-13 10:42:11

farewell in terms of health benefits then as long as you get a 16 hour stretch with no food then you could eat normally this evening. However if you are looking for some good weightloss then I would treat today as a normal fast day and not eat normally until tomorrow morning.

whatsfortea Does your plateau correspond with an increase in exercise? in which case you are probably busy building muscle. The same thing happened to me when I got to about wk4 of the couch 2 5k. Use a tape measure instead of your scales and you may see some results.

peachypips Mon 20-May-13 10:45:40

Still sick here so second fast day enforced upon me! Argh.

Must be time for a Bovril, yes?

Emilythornesbff Mon 20-May-13 10:51:13

greeneggs thanks for the new thread.

betsy ELR and noforknknife please let me join the no snacking club.

Snacking is a big downfall for me on my NFDs.

Tomorrow I will be better.
Promise.

morning smile thanks for thread greeneggs.

i've read so much to catch up that i've forgotten what i've read.

weight still at 10.10.8lbs this morning. guess i'm having the post plateau 'melting off like butter' phenomena described by someone above.

today is my first fast day in over two weeks so wish me luck.

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 10:56:06

Emily We can do this! Let's kick the snacking habit in the arse grin x

ELR See you at 4! It's a post-school problem for me too blush, though should be ok today what with fasting and all...

fatsuma whats4tea smile

BsshBossh Mon 20-May-13 11:05:18

Morning all. Thanks Greeneggs for the new thread. Number 20?!?! Blimey!

For those who want to stop snacking between meals

If anyone here is trying to knock their habit of snacking between meals on the head, I've just read this easy to digest ( ha! ) article that has finally convinced me that snacking (even on a carrot) makes no sense if I want my body to burn my reserves of fat stores. It's a natural complement to intermittent fasting.

Have a read if you're interested:
www.elephantjournal.com/2012/02/eat-six-times-a-day-the-dangers-of-frequent-eating/

Dotty342kids Mon 20-May-13 11:06:50

Excellent news saf given what normally happens after weekends! Hopefully a fast or two this week might get you into 10 + a single digit smile

I'm going to join you with no snacking. Haven't had any breakfast today, was about to go get some food but decided I will hang on an hour and have lunch, rather than starting now and being hungry at 2. Think I'llk have some form of eggs. I've also drank about a litre of water so far (and am peeing like a racehorse) and today will be the start of exercising.

Back to 10.3.5 after the weekend (chinese, yum!), but measured myself and I am 2 inches down on my waist, 1.5 on each thigh, 2 on hips, and 0.5 on each arm. Not bad for 5 weeks, and no exercise!

BsshBossh Mon 20-May-13 11:09:15

no snacking club - I'm in!!! I might not be able to check in at 4pm but will definitely check in. I don't have anymore weight to lose really but no snacking is my maintenance strategy as it's snacking that made me put the weight on in the first place. I'm going to be less strict on this on weekends but certainly my aim is to try no snacking 80% of my week.

Farewelltoarms Mon 20-May-13 11:20:24

FrenchFancy that sounds very sensible advice (sigh) and thanks for taking the time. Yes, I'm in it for weight loss so it would be a bit daft not to capitalise on the uncharacteristic lack of appetite I had yesterday. First time I've ever been down after a weekend, but that's the upside of stomach upsets I suppose.

Farewelltoarms Mon 20-May-13 11:21:28

BreakOut, ELR - we're all touching distance of the nines (well some of us more touching than others) - we can do it...

monster54 Mon 20-May-13 11:22:32

Thanks greeneggs

Super indulgent weekend and I did 4:3 to try and compensate and I will do 4:3 this week to try and break my plateau.

Some super super loses being reported, so great to see!

I hope I will be joining you all. Although I think I might stick for another couple of weeks yet as it seems to be around a month/4 weeks....

See what happens!!

FD today much needed and has to be done. I know this is a WOL but I am really not feeling things today. First time I've felt really negative and like I can't achieve this anymore?

Anyone got a spare slap they can dish out?

ooh ten single something sounds good dotty smile guess that's our next landmark really.

i can't join in with the no snacking because realistically i tend to only eat in a very small window of time anyway which basically requires me to 'snack' throughout that window. think i'm a natural fast5 eater. rare for me to eat anything in the day. i am like a snake - i swallow the equivalent of an antelope of an evening and then take all night and the next day to digest it grin

Dotty342kids Mon 20-May-13 11:31:45

love the snake analogy! grin

Miffytastic Mon 20-May-13 11:33:27

I'm another one itching to get into the 9s! On Friday I was back to 10st 2 and 3/4...the low I saw back in March but then bounced away from. BUT I have had a very lovely eaty weekend - meal at Jamie's Italian on Friday followed by hungover cake-eating + home made pizza + rhubarb pie on Saturday, and then usual sunday roast yesterday which wasn't too bad actually but crumble and icecream probably was.

I'm fasting today, been for a 40 min run this morning. Got a dilemma about fasting on Wednesday and wondering whether to attempt a consecutive fast day tomorrow instead. What are people's thoughts on /experience of this?

Oh & Emily - my way of dealing with evening snacking is to set a cut off time- eg nothing after 8pm. I tell myself I can do it pre-fasting nights. Also if you're stopping eating at 7 or 8pm then you're setting yourself up for a good 12 or 16 hours break prior to fasting, or breakfast if you see what I mean. So for me I definitely don't evening snack on Sun, Mon, Tues, Wed nights if that makes sense? That way, maybe if you have Friday and/or saturday as snack nights it's really not too bad?

monster54 Mon 20-May-13 11:36:27

miffy I did a consecutive fast a couple of times now. Last one was last week.

It is tough and the second one is more difficult but I find it manageable. Again like usual fasts keep busy to keep going!!!

I'm still largely overweight (obese technically bmi wise), but I had a little ego boost. Some guy eyed me up at the bus stop then started hitting on me. Then I remembered guys at bus stops are more often sleazy so and sos (round my way at least). But its the first time its happened since before I had DD - I'm also my lowest weight for 4 years too so maybe thats why wink.

I'm notching it up as another NSV though

whats4teamum Mon 20-May-13 11:42:09

Yes French fancy. Plateau has combined with exercise increase. Had a measure and waist is 4" smaller than jan and actually within nhs guidelines! Didn't measure anything else in jan as too appalled. Wish I had.

Think I will try couch to 5k when finished shred.

EstoyAqui Mon 20-May-13 12:01:01

I'm going to finally jump in and join the thread. I have been following 5:2 since January, after seeing a picture of me at an Xmas meal posted online and I decided enough was enough. I needed to lose all the extra weight I was carrying. This along with the health benefits really made me jump in. I have read all the threads and use them on my fasting days for motivation. Today I am finally taking the plunge and going to introduce myself! I think it has taken me so long to do so because I wasn't sure that this is a WOL/ WOE etc but I can no longer deny it, this works. smile

I am going shopping on Wednesday to buy a size 12 pair of trousers. I will be in a size 12 for my holiday...I cannot believe that I am actually going to buy a size 12. Not only that but I have actually fit into them for a couple of weeks but refrained from buying as I was convinced that I would gain it all again. I have not been in those since my college days and had given up hope of ever being below a 14 (this is as low as I normally get when dieting). I have a wardrobe that contains loads of size 18 dresses that used to look lovely on but now literally just hang off me.

I am posting my weekly weight loss tracker below.

9th Jan 85kg
16 Jan 84kg
23 Jan 82kg
30 Jan 79.45kg
06 Feb 79.20kg
13 Feb not weighed as at theatre
20 Feb not weighed as half-term
27 Feb 77.60kg - BMI = 26.9 loss so far 1st 1lb
6th Mar 77.00 exactly
13th Mar 76.55
20th Mar 76.4
27th Mar 75.65
18th April 75.90
25th April not weighed as half term week
01 May 74.00
08 May 75.40 - First gain
15 May 73.60 - BMI = 25.47 loss so far 1st 8lb

I don't really have a target weight. I just wanted to be in the healthy BMI range. I am now just inside it. I am hoping to get below 70kg as I think this is achievement enough but I have found it so strange to actually have to even pick a goal weight. Whenever I have done so in the past it seemed ludicrous to actually want to be 'that low' but now it seems almost real.

Anyway, sorry for the waffle but I guess I am just saying hello and by putting myself out there making it seem real for me. smile

Miffytastic Mon 20-May-13 12:04:47

Monster - thanks. Did it make any difference to your weight loss do you think?

EstoyAqui welcome, you've done brilliantly :D

estoy flowers fantastic weight loss and NSVs

Am still a bit weak from the tummy bug/food poisoning so definitely going to restart the squat challenge as I think I'll manage 50 today but not more. The cutest thing though, DD is joining in to motivate me (she's only 2 and I think she's already done more than me!!!!)

Welcome and well done estoy

Does eating my breakfast in 2 instalments count as snacking? I couldn't eat my yogurt as I was nowhere near a spoon so I had it at morning break instead! I resisted the biscuits though but jaffa cakes would have been a different story

Dotty342kids Mon 20-May-13 12:39:16

Welcome Estoy sounds like you've done brilliantly! Reckon you can ditch those size 18 dresses for good smile

monster54 Mon 20-May-13 13:10:44

miffy not at the moment....I seem to have hit a bit of a plateau frustratingly....bouncing around the same 1.5lbs....

I'm doing 4:3 again this week to try and get it moving again...which will involve another consecutive fast as its unavoidable!!

Miffytastic Mon 20-May-13 13:44:27

Oh sorry to hear that Monster, plateaus (plateaux) are pants. I hope that my determination to one day be off this one will pay off and I will be sub 10 stone...

Whitecat Mon 20-May-13 13:50:36

Estoy welcome and well done. You've done a great job, written proof that 5:2 really works.

ceebeegeebies Mon 20-May-13 13:57:22

Estoy well done smile Have you done the basic 5:2? Have you been calorie counting on your non-fasting days? Am interested in what you have done to achieve such an amazing weight loss smile

Had a bit of an epiphany today - went to hellsoft play with DS2 and ordered a cheese salad pitta and a portion of curly fries which normally I would have wolfed down. I ate the cheese salad pitta and about half of the curly fries...and decided I wasn't hungry anymore and left the rest shock Unheard of before this WOE. I think I am finally learning to listen to my body ignores the fact that I troughed a 3-course meal yesterday afternoon

Heartburn is still a regular occurrence though, even if I haven't eaten a lot - it even occurs occasionally on fasting days hmm

awomanchanging Mon 20-May-13 14:17:28

miffy im on my first nfd, 3rd day with this wol. My first to days were fast days and honestly the second fast was veryyyy easy

virginposter Mon 20-May-13 14:19:53
Miffytastic Mon 20-May-13 14:19:58

ooh thanks awomanchanging reckon I'm going to do it this week, get it out of the way. Just ordered some nice fasting food choices from ocado for tomorrow :D

Twinmama32 Mon 20-May-13 14:25:29

I'm also plateauing, have been 12st 8Ibs for about 3 weeks, I don't understand it as I've, for the last 2 weeks done 4:3 to mix it up but otherwise been doing as I would normally. Especially strange as I'm 5'7" so I've still got at least 1.5st to go so its not like I've only a small amount to lose! Very frustrating and quite disheartening....

Although on a positive note I had a NSV my trousers fell down the other day, bit of a shock, was at home thankfully, but I was thrilled! (Hopefully fell down coz of weight loss rather than bursting out of them blush

EstoyAqui Mon 20-May-13 14:35:26

Thankyou all for the comments.

ceebee I have been fasting on a Monday and Tuesday. I have not been limiting on my other days as I adore food and did not want to limit in any way what I could or could not have. On my fast days my pattern is 6pm Sunday I stop eating. I do not eat until 7pm Monday night. I normally keep my appetite down by drinking tea or water. At first this was hard but I am now used to this pattern. At 7pm I will eat with my DH. I try to prepare something light and healthy such as griddled pork loin with Greek salad or salmon with dill and herb rice. After dinner I do not eat again until 7pm Tuesday, again I will have a light healthy meal. On occasion I have eaten after my dinner on Tuesday but normally I am full from that so the next time I eat will be Wednesday morning and I am back to eating whatever I like.

I have even managed a 48hr fast as DH was away and I fell asleep with DD on our bed. I woke up and decided I still wasn't hungry and went back to sleep. I am suprised at this as I imagined I would have been ravenous but I genuinely wasn't! Its weird as so many aspects of what I believed about eating and dieting are being put under scrutiny. I am realising that this is a WOL and not a fad.

I have found that as time has gone on I do not even think about being on a fast on those days. Initially I did find it hard but I don't even notice now. (except TOM when I am conscious of wanting junk more) On my no fast days I eat what I like. Initially I wanted to eat all the off limits stuff but again as time has gone on this has lessened. I took my DCs to McDonalds the other day and I couldn't even finish a happy meal as I could feel it slowing down my body. I am finding on fast days I crave certain foods but when it comes to breaking the fast I realise that I do not actually want to eat them.

Aside from the weight loss here are the other benefits I have noticed: Flatter tummy overall. I still have the wobbly bit but I am generally not as bloated. I find it easier to fall asleep and stay asleep. I suffer from back issues and since losing weight I have not had my back 'go' at all. I can now do up a belt that I was wearing when I met DH. I feel less sluggish.

INeedThatForkOff Mon 20-May-13 15:13:00

Struggling with boredom and hunger on my FD today. Feeling a bit unwell so don't feel much like dragging the kids out for a walk either. Roll on 6 o clock when I can have tea!

erikab922 Mon 20-May-13 15:27:40

Hi everyone - do you fast when you're sick? Last week I picked up a really bad viral chest/sinus infection (which coincided with my first fast week) and I stuck to my two fast days. But this infection is kicking my backside, it's 4pm and I haven't eaten yet today and I just want to stuff my face with spicy food and go to bed. What do you guys do?

Itsaboatjack Mon 20-May-13 15:34:25

I'm feeling hungry today. Nothing I know I can't get through though.

I'm on board with the no snacking, at least during the week anyway. I managed it all of last week so trying to keep it up and turn it into a habit. I actually read about a study a while ago that had two groups of people eating the same amount of calories throughout the day, but one group were strictly on 3 meals a day and the others had snacks. Those that didn't snack lost the most weight. Hope that makes sense, I'm on my phone so typing difficult.

Itsaboatjack Mon 20-May-13 15:37:11

erica if ill I'll try and listen to my body, and if I do eat I try to make it nutritious rather than comfort.

But the important word there is try. Sometimes comfort food is all that will do. smile

Hope you feel better soon.

erika I fasted as usual on my last fast day when I was ill but only because it was tummy related and the thought of food really didn't appeal. If it was any other illness and I was craving a bit of comfort food I'd give into it, and save fasting till I was better. Hope you feel well soon

also struggling a bit. having a marmite drink already in the hope the saltiness hits the spot.

really must make this fast happen or i may never get back on board!

that mimi article was a bit dodgy - it's such a fine line between being honest about the reality we face with our feelings about our bodies and... endorsing the notion that thin means control and happiness. i don't know what i'm trying to say but that article was right on the line between honest and true to women's experience and reinforcing the idea that all a woman is is her looks.

Farewelltoarms Mon 20-May-13 15:57:17

I found the article a bit dodgy since she seems to be rather moving bench posts as opposed to her own weight loss - in book she says she started at 9.7. In that article she says she has had much bigger loss from 10.4. I only notice the numbers so much because she's the same height as me and that first 'fat' weight is one I've only ever been once in my adult life! I know she's trying to sell her book and good luck to her, but she is promoting a notion of thin that is very thin and, as you say SAF, very tied to self-worth. It's one thing for an unhealthy weight to impinge on your self-esteem, another to want to have a BMI of 18...

ELR Mon 20-May-13 16:00:31

Just checking in! Had a large glass of water and just made the kids homemade waffles which they are now scoffing with natural yogurt, maple syrup and blueberries..... Aaah the smell.
To be honest it's not too bad as fasting today. It's the nfd I have a problem with!

saf Didn't you request a kick in the butt to help? You can do this, you know you can.

I agree on the Mimi article too. I can't quite say it either, it just didn't sit easy with me.

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 16:08:32

ELR I'm here too! No need as I'm on a fast day... tomorrow will be the real challenge. Kettle is on and a hot drink very much needed.

so if she really was 9.7 at the start and has lost 21lbs that puts her at 8st which is below healthy bmi for 5.7 if i remember correctly (same height as me too). i'm guessing the 10.4 has been invented to hide the fact she is basically touting annorexic proportions of thiness.

thanks for the kick eagle.

and tbh i do not believe that someone already that slim would lose 21lbs in 12weeks just by doing 5:2. does anyone find that credible?

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 16:18:26

How are the others in the No Snacking Club doing? I guess the danger zone for most people is in the evening.

SaF Keep it together, I am struggling too but am very determined after a 3lb rise over the weekend! Feeling very tired and cold at the moment though, think I'll have a bouillon drink rather than tea.

Erika You don't need to keep up the fasting when you're ill, listen to your body.

Estoy Sounds like you're doing brilliantly, well done smile

Not sure I want to read that DM link much... wonder how much of that is actually Mimi and how much is the Fail? I quite enjoyed her Mumsnet interview - no editorial bias.

erikab922 Mon 20-May-13 16:38:26

Thanks Betsy, it's weird that I am actually a little disappointed to break the fast but I seriously wanna get over this whatever it is.

awomanchanging Mon 20-May-13 16:40:57

swallowed it would depend on her body fat percentage. Because although someone may be in a healthy bmi their body fat may be in the obese range which still bar the same risks as a person with an obese bmi.

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 16:41:29

Erika Why don't you try eating to the 500 cals? If that's enough then you've still fasted and if you need more then that's fine too. Take care x

Itsaboatjack Mon 20-May-13 16:42:35

I'm also 5'7" and think that at 8st I would look really ill. She looks healthy in the photo so I just struggle to believe she's 8st there.

I agree the whole article seems a bit weird. I suppose you could say she is being honest in a way about how we view our bodies. On the whole though it seems like a pointless slightly self indulgent article.

saf keep going, you can do it.

I had a boullion drink then did the school run and feel better now.

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 16:44:41

Bouillon drink is doing the trick but I feel a headache coming so I'm guessing I'm dehydrated. I need to motivate myself to make the kids' tea and because my DH says he's fasting too today I'll then have to make another meal for us as I've only got 1 pot of handy Meal soup thingy. Keeping right out of the kitchen would be preferable confused

Dotty342kids Mon 20-May-13 16:49:49

saf, no, I thought the same about that article eg. how did someone pretty slim to start with lose so much in a relatively short space of time. Something's not quite ringing true...

applegate Mon 20-May-13 16:51:57

Right I am in the non snacking club too, I think that my constant snacking through my nfd is my downfall so I am willing to try anything!

Dotty342kids Mon 20-May-13 16:51:59

Betsy, you eat the meal soup thingy, get outta the kitchen and let your DH sort himself out grin

Breadandwine Mon 20-May-13 16:53:04

Wow, 77 posts already. Thanks GreenEggs!

Welcome to all the newcomers - some very inspiring stories on here already. I always catch up on these threads with a big smile on my face and today is no different! smile

Betsy and the other non-snackers - it's a NFD day for me after fasting yesterday, and I was indulging myself with some chocolate when I read your posts. In response I put the chocolate away - and in future, if I want chocolate I'll break off the bit I intend to eat and put the rest firmly away. If I want to extend the chocolate, I can have it with some dried fruit or nuts, I've decided.

Thanks for the link, Bssh, very interesting. I'd take issue with him on the large breakfast bit, but no snacking is definitely how we developed.

On that subject, if you are tempted to snack to assuage a hunger pang, or similar, be aware it will have the opposite effect, and you'll feel more hunger not less.

So if you do snack on something, you then need to reset you're hunger switch - and the longer you hold off, the easier it becomes. Drinking water, or distraction techniques are both useful in this.

ATB, B&W

Dotty342kids Mon 20-May-13 16:53:10

I've had a curry cooking in the slow cooker since 11.00 this morning and I am starving, not helped by the lovely smell of it wafting all around the house.
I finish work at 5.30 and intend to be eating my portion of it by 5.31 grin

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 16:59:56

Dotty grin You are so right.

B&W I just read your recent post on the maintainers thread - upping your portion sizes instead of allowing for snacks is definitely sensible.

mehefin Mon 20-May-13 17:09:31

Thank you for the new thread.

Been watching Juliette of the Herbs beautiful film about the late Juliette de Bairacli Levi.

Fasting was a natural part of her life and treatments . She used water and lemon juice. I remember reading her books and those of Scott and Helen Nearing back in the 1980s this WOE is probably speaking to the same part of me!

So many motivated fasters out there today.

Will read the Mimi article in a minute, but re losing 21lbs in 12 weeks 'just' by doing 5:2...that is almost what I did. I went from 10st 0.5lbs to 8st 10lbs in 75 days and then lost a further 2.5lbs within a week, so under 12 weeks in total to lose 21lbs.

Did I 'just' do 5:2? Well, I didn't do 4:3, four of my fasts were zero calorie fasts, I kept close to TDEE on NFDs even as it dropped from 1700 to 1600, I went to the gym 2-3 times a week, burning on average 400 cals each time. I'm not otherwise a particularly active person, as my Fitbit would tell you.

I am now at a weight that is ok for me (I was a stone lighter still at 18 years old, but am now 45) with a BMI of 20.4. I definitely do not want to go below 8st 7 and was content with my target of 8st 10 (room to bounce without going over 9st was my objective). I have been 8st at 5ft 4 and would not think that 8st at 5ft 7 is a good idea.

As for body fat %, the scales are notoriously inaccurate but my morning readings were usually about 33% before 5:2 and this morning it was 24.3%.

Don't want to keep wittering on about me, just trying to add another perspective!

Well done to today's fasters, dinner time is almost here!

erika get well soon.

Dotty342kids Mon 20-May-13 17:24:23

postmanpatscat it's actually really helpful to read someone's real experiences of this as, lovely as Mimi seems, she is a journalist and has to write a good story!
You've done amazingly well, makes my 11lbs in four three months seem rather less impressive.
I suppose the thing to remember is that we all lose weight differently. Some quickly, some slowly, some "just" by doing 5:2, others by mixing it up a bit smile
As long as we all move in the right direction of down and we all feel good doing it, that's all that really matters to any of us.
Not that I'm slightly envious of postman at all wink

awomanchanging Mon 20-May-13 17:24:53

Wow postman on the saturday, my first day of 5:2 i recorded my bf as 33% my goal right now is 25% if I could get there in 10-12 weeks as well that would be awesome. If I only lost fat, that would equate to 15 lbs. I've already lost 3 lbs but that was after 2 consecutive fasts. I'll be weighing in tmrw to see what my true loss is but your success gives me hope!

Talkinpeace Mon 20-May-13 17:29:29

Ooh OOH
another thread where I can post

NO SNACKING

that makes it at least 15 of them !

grin

TIP , I had some chocolate and a biscuit after school finished today, so there! Should have done as B&W suggested and eaten it at lunchtime then it wouldn't count!

Dotty342kids Mon 20-May-13 17:43:45

haha TIP you will convert us all to a no snacking lifestyle eventually smile

I can smell tonights roast and its making me feel starving, so I was all about to grab a snack and now I'm scared tip is going to sneak up behind me and tell me off grin

WipsGlitter Mon 20-May-13 18:08:41

Wow! I've lost 9lbs in about six weeks. Well chuffed. Weight fluctuates a lot over the week but an overall downward trend.

Well done wips that's great!

Emilythornesbff Mon 20-May-13 18:28:08

Hi. Another "no snacking club" member here.
Easy today as I am fasting.
Tomorrow is my test. Wanna make TIP proud grin

Dotty342kids Mon 20-May-13 18:28:12

Well I've eaten my curry and it was lovely. Still feel hungry though and am out tonight at a friend's house so will have to exert extra willpower so as not to succumb to wine / nibbles. Have volunteered to drive so that's the wine aspect sorted. Just the nibbles shock

BsshBossh Mon 20-May-13 18:31:47

Betsy it's a fast day today so no snacking going great grin.

B&W my plan is to reserve nice chocolate or cake for dessert with a meal. Then I won't feel deprived and will still be allowing my digestion approx 5 hours between "feeds".

BetsyBell Mon 20-May-13 18:39:19

bssh That's my plan too, keep the food to meal times, not cut them out altogether grin

ELR Mon 20-May-13 18:49:02

Great thinking bsshh and betsy just have the nice things straight after a meal! That's prob where I have been going wrong I always think I will save that for a snack later. Instead if I have it straight after a meal I am likely to eat less of it and will then also have my fasting window extended.

INeedThatForkOff Mon 20-May-13 19:06:09

It's my birthday on Wednesday and I'm planning to bake some cherry bakewell muffins with DD. I imagine my DGM will make a birthday cake. We're planning a creamy chicken casserole for tea and there will also be wine and nibbles. Don't think I'll bother with MFP that day shock

Welcome all new 5:2 ers .Re: Mimi and her sodding 21lbs off in 12 weeks[ envy I agree with dotty we all lose weight differently which is so evident on reading these threads. I seem to be in a constant plateau..
Have been doing this since Beginning of Feb and still only 10 lbs loss after 17 weeks !
Started at 11 st 2 ,now 10 st 6. My pattern of weight loss seems to be stay the same for 3 weeks ,lose half a pound ...stay the same for 3 ..lose a half.. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.Im rigid with it , I stay within TDEE ,I eat 500 in 1 evening meal on fast days and I DON'T snack TIP.
I don't particularly want it to be another 17 weeks before I lose another 10 pounds but I may just have to accept that.Anyone else as slow as me?

Itsaboatjack Mon 20-May-13 19:59:22

How's it going saf? Hope you're staying away from the peanuts wink

I had my soup earlier but it wasn't a very nice one so just had half of it. Kettle on for a cup of tea with milk, that'll be me done for the day then at about 300 cals.

I'm planning a run for the morning, not been for a couple of weeks so it'll be a tough one. Then 100 squats to do for 30 day challenge!!!

BsshBossh Mon 20-May-13 20:20:49

For those not snacking another fabulous link (PDF):
www.quickanddirtytips.com/static/nutrition-diva-snacks.pdf

"Feeling hungry is not a medical emergency" grin.

We're fasters, we know this right? So surely we can apply it to NFDs too!

Cocoaone Mon 20-May-13 20:30:15

Hello! This is my first fast day - have managed with coffee (splash of milk) and a strawberry all day until chicken and veg for dinner at 7:30pm. Haven't been too hungry, but I think the next one will be harder!

One question - how do you minimise your stomach growling? Or does it eventually stop as you get more used to the fasts? I had two rather embarrassing meetings today....

awomanchanging Mon 20-May-13 20:36:24

hitc i know once you lose 5-10 lbs you are suppose to recalculate tdee. Have you done that?

Southeastdweller Mon 20-May-13 20:50:23

Hi everyone and thanks as always to greeneggs.

Haven't read all the posts yet so forgive me if I'm repeating, but one suggestion I'd like to make to those of you plateauing is to try consecutive days for a week or two.

Also a snacker here. I know it's boring and unoriginal but I usually get a glass of water when feeling like grazing - this has helped me hugely since doing this WOL. If I really feel like food though then I have some cottage or feta cheese, or reduced fat hummus, all really filling.

had two bowls of my stew, half a glass of wine and am resisting raiding the cupboards for more food. thanks for asking smile going to sleep now.

monster54 Mon 20-May-13 21:00:57

Urrrrgh I knew today was going to be rubbish....have ended up on about 800 cals I'd say.

First time ever I've screwed up on a Monday....sob sob....

I will need to fast properly tomorrow now! I can't stuff that up as well....I was determined to do 4:3 again this week to get past my sticky patch!

Well done SAF, this one will have been the hardest, you'll be right back in the swing of it after today!

Today has been a sort of half-fast. Didn't have breakfast or lunch, and drank loads of water, but DM came over for tea. We had lasagne, garlic bread and jam sponge for pudding, but all in one sitting, so no snacking. This fits in with the 16:8 way of thinking, so will be interesting to see how this shows on the scales in the morning. Proper fast day tomorrow and either Thursday or Friday I think.

Just done my first lot of exercise since starting this WOE, did the shred. Feel quite good now, won't be saying that tomorrow!

Southeastdweller Mon 20-May-13 21:26:01

Mimi looks terrific in those pics! Her BMI is just under 20 at the moment. Hope she doesn't lose anymore.

Moominlandmidwinter Mon 20-May-13 21:29:59

Evening! I'm finally having my dinner, after a very busy evening, being out and about with school-related things with the DDs. I am really happy with how my fast day went today, it's definitely getting easier. I think it helped that I felt in a really positive mood- I was actually looking forward to my fast (I think because I had four NFDs in a row). I threw myself into the housework, and was dancing around to Bruno Mars as I did so smile. I kept myself going on peppermint and nettle tea, and the odd black coffee. I did hit a low point at around 2.30ish, and felt real tired, but half an hour later had to do the school run, and then didn't have time to think about it. I even took the DDs to Subway to get them something to eat, as we didn't have time to go home between appointments. I had a cup of tea, with milk in it, about an hour ago when I got in, and now have a spicy prawn linguine ready meal (425kcal). I'll go to bed soon.

I definitely need to join the no-snacking club. This is my downfall. I find it relatively easy to say no to food all day when fasting, but on a NFD, I tend to justify snacking as being ok. It's silly though, as it's never satisfying, and I only end up feeling rubbish for doing it. I've been and bought some bovril, and as well as having this on my FDs, I will have a cup on my NFDs when I get the urge to snack (or at least that's the plan!).

meandmyfour Mon 20-May-13 21:56:56

I'm finding the whole 'no snacking' thing really interesting and would like to give it a go...after four ish weeks of 5.2 today was the first day that I ate nothing at all until late afternoon and, like so many of you have said, it was SO much easier. Felt a bit cranky around teatime/kids bedtime but then had the most delicious M & S fuller for longer meal and I'm genuinely full.
I have been feeling a bit miserable, feeling like it's not really working for me and I'm loathe to start calorie counting on NFD's but maybe the 'no snacking' rule is a step I CAN take without feeling like I'm dieting on those 5 days...
We'll see...anyway, it's just so interesting reading all your experiences. I'm learning so much about this WOE and it does make such sense...

ELR Mon 20-May-13 21:57:43

Out of interest just looked back on my fitness pal for last 4 weeks and even though most days I stick to my tdee my snacking calories are between 400-900 calories per day! A lot of these calories are healthy snacks but even so it's constant grazing. My meals calories are quite small about 250 for breakfast 350 for lunch and 5-600 for tea. So I think I will up my meal calories then hopefully I won't be hungry and won't need to snack. I will do this mon-fri and relax at weekends. So thinking 500 for breakfast 600 for lunch and 750 for dinner then 60 ish for cups of tea.

BsshBossh Mon 20-May-13 22:03:22

ELR exactly the same with me. I don't log calories but when I did my snacking calories added up to more than a main meal! I still lost loads of weight because I was within my daily calories but still - the body needs to shift into fat burning mode and constantly picking at food (grazing) prevents it from doing it. I go without food for hours and hours on fast days, no problems but imagine the impact on my digestion and fat burning if I stick to 3 square meals only every most day?

BsshBossh Mon 20-May-13 22:05:25

every non-fast day, I meant

KaleyX Mon 20-May-13 22:11:22

Hello everyone smile
This diet seems ace! I have tried the whole 1200 calories per day thing and miserably failed at it lol
My first fast day will be tomorrow.
As I'm very fat now I'll be doing every other day fast days and switching to 4:3 and then later 5:2 as I lose more weight, eventually hoping to maintain with only 1 fast day a week.

I'm not sure what exercise I'll do. Which is the most effective?

Stats
Weight: 11 st 10 lbs
Goal weight: 9 st 4lbs
Height: 5'7
Age: 19

KaleyX Mon 20-May-13 22:13:26

BsshBossh thanks for that link- lots of useful tips, snacking is an awful habit I will try to stick to 2-3 meals per day.

ponygirlcurtis Mon 20-May-13 22:18:33

I'm just coming to the end of my FD, and so have been doing this WOE for 2 weeks now. I weighed myself over the weekend, and have lost 2lbs. I'm a leeeeeetle bit disappointed with that, had hoped for it to be more, but really, I'm always a slow loser so I shouldn't be surprised. Plus, I've definitely got some NSV - I feel that I can see a difference in my shape, I'm less bloated. And I was talking to a friend last night about doing this, and she said 'I was going to ask if you'd lost weight'!! I was well chuffed.

Read the article re not snacking, going to try and bear that in mind for tomorrow. I haven't been making my TDEE on NFDs so going to try and look at that (despite it feeling counter-intuitive!) to see if that's making a difference to my loss.

ponygirlcurtis Mon 20-May-13 22:37:46

Kaley - you describe yourself as 'very fat', but that seems pretty harsh to me given the other details you give. You are significantly taller than I am, and about a stone lighter! And while I know I am overweight, I would not describe myself as 'very fat'. I am size 16.

So maybe you don't need to go in all guns blazing. Why not start with 5:2, ease yourself into it. I am doing 5:2 for now, and plan to up it to 4:3 if I need a booster week, or if I stall in losing weight. No point setting yourself up to fail by going in too hard at the start. Go easy on yourself!

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 20-May-13 23:01:05

Agree with ponygirl (awesome name btw). Kaley ADF is pretty tough. Even 4:3 is pretty tough, given it's only one day off full ADF. Do a fast day and see how you get on with it. Your first few fasts will likely be difficult, anyway. I did 4:3 for several months. Something to look out for with it is the desire to eat more than you normally would on an eating day, as the next day is almost always another fast day. I rarely felt like I had a break from it.

It might even be an idea to try 5:2, then do 4:3 the next week, switch it around a bit.

Welcome to the threads. smile

Southeastdweller Mon 20-May-13 23:06:02

Hi kaley. You don't need to do exercise on this WOL to lose weight, people have said. But I would start if you plateau or gain. make sure it's something you enjoy - I like cardio at the gym which I've been doing for years. Walking is good too.

Good luck!

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 20-May-13 23:23:54

Sorry I meant to add... ADF is tough, so the reason I advise against leaping into it is so that you don't let yourself be put off fasting altogether. It doesn't have to be as tough as ADF can be. smile

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 20-May-13 23:52:19

Well, my first failed fast happened Monday. Was in total oh sod it mode, and ended up around 900cals. So I will stick to my plan of fasting Wednesday and see if I can manage Friday this week. Annoyed with myself.

fastyspeedyfast Tue 21-May-13 00:27:38

Nearing the end of another fast day, and today was easy. No headaches today, where I've been having them every fast day for the last 3 weeks. Don't know why they started, don't know why they've gone. I did add 2 mugs of tea with a bit of milk & and 1 teaspoon of sugar into the mix - still stayed under 500 cals for the day. Might have helped?

tortoise I wouldn't call 900 cals a fail. It's more than you wanted on a fast day, but you hardly went & ate 3000! Just try again next fast day.

ceebeegeebies Tue 21-May-13 06:22:46

Kaley - I agree with Ponygirl that I doubt you are 'really fat'. I am a similar height and weigh 3 stone more than you and I wouldn't describe myself as 'really fat' (and I am fairly sure others wouldn't describe me as that either). overweight and need to lose weight - yes, but not really fat. I am a size 16 whereas I suspect you are maybe a size 12 so go easy on yourself smile Don't go into this being hardcore as it may put you off and then you won't fast at all smile

FD for me today <sigh> am 5 weeks in and they don't seem to be getting easier sad DH has only done 3 FD so far and breezes through them sad sad positive vibes my way please smile

Good luck ceebee! I'm joining you in fasting today, got one of those glorious skinny soups to try later. Helpfully, I have a few errands I need to run on my lunch hour, keeping busy always helps.

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 06:46:07

Enjoyed my fast yesterday. I sat with friends while they had pizza for lunch and had my soup while ds and dh had lasagne for dinner envy.
But it was ok.
Now the greater challenge: no snacking. Eat what I like but no snacking.
I really can't decide what to eat. I'd like a piece of toast but we all know where that can lead. Enjoying a cup of tea right now smile
Good luck to all the fasters today.

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 06:47:42

Oh those glorious soups look good.
I must make some more soup and freeze it.

Fast day for me today. Despite not eating much decent at all since friday I'm looking forward to this.

Spoke to my mum last night and she was complaining how hard it is etc. We were chatting away and suddenly it turns out she's trying this every day. Needless to say I read her the riot act - most is as alternate day or restrict calories to about 1600 a day. I may tattle to dad later.

mttum Tue 21-May-13 07:10:20

emily, oh no, where does a piece of toast lead? I've just had one!! shock Aaaargh!

FD for me today, and Im at work so should be fairly easy..its always so mad at work I dont get time to eat anyway.. Have a chicken breast with lots of steamed veg for my evening meal planned at around 7pm and just drinking lots of fruit tea and water throughout the day..Good luck all new Tuesday fasters.

ChesterDrawers Tue 21-May-13 07:30:54

Still catching up with the shiny new thread but wanted to check in.

Still clinging to the 9s - just - despite big cheesy jacket spud, carrot cake, spag Bol and too much wine yesterday.

It's my wedding anniversary today so I'm cooking tonight and more wine may well be involved. I think tomorrow's fast will be welcome and indeed needed.

Best of luck to all the Tuesday fasters.

Prawntoast Tue 21-May-13 07:31:17

Fast day for me today, after my first 36 hr fast I've been interested to note that my weight since Friday morning has fluctuated by as much as 5 lbs, I am currently about 3 lbs more than the low at my weigh in on Friday. I think this may be the week I don't lose anything, but I have 2 fasts this week ahead of me. Planning on having salmon in soy and stem ginger sauce from the Hairy Dieters cookbook later, good luck to all fasters today.

morning all smile

10.10.2 today so another new low. for those on plateaus i really do recommend going for a massage. worked for me and it makes a lot of sense without even having to get 'woo' about it in that it stimulates the lympatic system and breaks down fat deposits and just all round stimulates the body to drain and circulate well.

i go away at the beginning of july and i really want to be under the ten stone mark by then. that gives me just over 6 weeks to lose 11lbs which is a tall order but i'm hoping i can do it.

not sure when my next fast will be. i won't eat today till this evening though and will keep it light tonight and see where that takes me.

INeedThatForkOff Tue 21-May-13 07:45:42

NFD here, but I'm in no rush to break it. Don't have that queasy, empty feeling that I usually do.

Barbie1 Tue 21-May-13 07:53:52

Just marking place on new thread, thanks once again for starting it smile

Just worked out I have lost a whopping 6lb in just under my first month on this wol

I'm 8.12lb this morning

My face looks like this grin grin grin

saf glad to see you back on board smile

Itsaboatjack Tue 21-May-13 08:12:17

Well done saf and barbie, and all losers.

Prawntoast I'm with you today. My weight can also fluctuate hugely over the week. I just had a sneaky WI before tomorrow's official one and I am 0.5lb up on last week, and 2.5lb up on Saturdays low. I feel fairly confident it is just water and I am still losing fat but it's very frustrating.

Well done saf and barbie

Think I'll take up the massage if my weight plateaus for a while. Can imagine OH's face when I explain hehehe

Dotty342kids Tue 21-May-13 08:23:37

headintheclouds I'm the same as you, started mid Feb at 11st 8 have lost approx 10lbs as am hovering around 10st12. So, 10lbs in three months which really isn't a lot at all. However, I'm not feeling fed up with "dieting" and I feel good so I'm holding onto that and assuming that it'll drop more as time goes on.
The one thing I've got to be more careful about is over eating on NFDs. For the first four weeks or so I used MFP all the time, but then I stopped. And then I started reverting to my chocolate and cake habits on NFDs shock
I have no intention of cutting those things out else I know I'll start to feel deprived and grumpy but I do need to count those into my daily TDEE and that's what I've got out of the habit of.
I had a really greedy weekend and I know that the 1lb increase on the scales this morning (after fasting yesterday) is a result of that.

fluffypillow Tue 21-May-13 08:26:14

4 weeks in today, and jumped on the scales this morning...........another 3lb off smile

That's 11lb in total.

9th fast today. Feeling really good about it, especially after that loss today, so hopefully won't be too bad.

Good luck to all fasters today. Will catch up on thread later, but for now I have to go and sort out my little DD, who has more porridge on her clothes than she managed to get into her mouth! What a waste!!!!!!

Barbie1 Tue 21-May-13 08:27:00

I have found a little trick which works for me when I'm hungry.

Carmex!

I plaster my lips with it and the tingle makes me forget about my hunger and the slight taste puts me off food.

Strange but true.

monster54 Tue 21-May-13 08:39:16

prawmtoast same here...failed miserably at FD yesterday so going for it again today! I'm currently 3lbs over my low last Friday....

I feel better equipped today, large water and box of fruit tea...we do tea in rounds here at work and I want to drink a lot more than others but I don't wanna have to make everyone a cup every time I want one!!!!

Daisy17 Tue 21-May-13 08:41:13

Hey all, new on this thread, looking for some reassurance....did my first Fast Day yesterday, found the gap between breakfast and dinner very doable, but felt very empty at bedtime. A herbal tea eased that and I slept fairly well, feeling very relaxed bodily but wakeful mindwise. Was in no rush to have breakfast, but now I have I feel a bit sick and weird. Is that normal to start with? It's like my body is happy to fast but now doesn't want to eat again!

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 08:42:39

Well done saf barbie and fluffypillow

mttum I often feel hungry after a toasty breakfast. But I did have toast, a one egg cheesy omelette, half an apple and a yogurt. I plan to skip lunch and enjoy lasagne for my dinner.
No snacking.
No snacking.
No snacking.

Whitecat Tue 21-May-13 08:46:34

Yesterday was a surprisingly easy fast day. Not too much feasting on Sunday which I think makes it easier.
Dotty I started in Jan at 11st12 and am now wibbling on 11st. I loosely set my goal at 10st10 which seemed perfectly reasonable but now seems like a long way to go. I too used to count religiously on MFP but became complacent along the way. Maybe we just need a new push for a couple of weeks.

MakingAnotherList Tue 21-May-13 09:11:03

New to this thread. I've been reading about this and think it sounds like something I could keep up.
I've previously been successful with the lemonade diet/master cleanse.
Does anybody know if it would be ok to drink the lemonade on fast days? I'm much better at going without food than eating small amounts. I worry that I won't stick to 500 calories if I eat.

Dotty342kids Tue 21-May-13 09:13:16

Quite possibly whitecat!
I've also just rechecked my recommended daily calorie allowance, taking into account my new weight and it's 200 cals per day lower!! So, with that in mind I'm definitely going to be going back to using MFP for a while.

Whitecat Tue 21-May-13 09:16:06

See I haven't even rechecked how much I should be eating.
200 calories - that's a couple of shortbreads from the tin that I keep meaning to put away!

BetsyBell Tue 21-May-13 09:24:02

emily I tried to remember to eat enough at breakfast so I didn't feel the need for a second breakfast with my leisurely cup of coffee - that second breakfast is never the healthiest option (toast, lashings of butter, marmalade...)

In the end I didn't eat very much (post fast so get full very quickly) but here I am reminding myself there's nothing until lunch. Normally I'd save my breakfast for after the school run, tomorrow I will - I don't get time for lunch on Wednesdays so it'll be a tasty brunch.

Hello daisy, that's absolutely normal - you may find you have a few weird side effects for the first couple of weeks but it all settles down once your body gets used to it. I do find I need a light fruit-based breakfast after a fast, anything too carby makes me feel bloated. I used to get dizzy after breaking my fast, especially if there was toast involved. Well done on a successful fast day smile

BetsyBell Tue 21-May-13 09:29:27

makinganotherlist I don't know anything about the lemonade diet but if it keeps your intake under 500 calories then that's fine for 5:2. If you plan to do that long term then you probably need to make sure you're taking vitamin supplements on fast days.

The eating element on a fast day isn't an essential part of IF but makes it 'doable' for most people. I couldn't maintain this way of eating if I couldn't eat the small allowance but as it is I plan to do it in some form forever.

CrystalDeCanter Tue 21-May-13 09:34:57

Morning everyone.

I'd like to join in please grin.

I need to do something to lose this stone that seems to cling on tenaciously. I think 5:2 may be the answer. I've read through the website and will buy the book but aiming to fast Weds and Mondays. Am a bit scared that I'll collapse on fasting days (no reason why I should - just bad about dealing with hunger).

BetsyBell Tue 21-May-13 09:37:39

crystal In 20 threads I haven't read about anyone collapsing! Keep hydrated and you'll be fine. Better than that, you'll learn to deal with hunger and not be scared of it anymore.

You might find you need 2 days between fasts to start with - I'm often hungriest on that second day which makes fasting seriously hard.

ELR Tue 21-May-13 09:39:28

Morning all, I am back to my low from a week ago this morning so pleased with that 10st1.75 nearly in the 9's!!
Well I had my bigger breakfast 479 calories. 2 slices Vogel toast with butter and marmite. Half a banana, 4 strawberries some natural yogurt and 20g rude health granola and a cup of tea. I had the toast then took DH to station then had the yogurt and fruit so slight break inbetween of about 10minutes but needed it otherwise I wouldn't have been able to eat it.
betsy tomorrow I will have my breakfast after the school run like you as will be having a later lunch and a later dinner due to kids after school activities ect.
No snacking no snacking no snacking!!

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 09:41:52

betsy toast and marmalade is heavenly. But best avoided as a "second breakfast" grin you're right.

Whitecat Tue 21-May-13 09:42:15

crystal it does seem daunting to start and it is hard to wrap your head around voluntarily doing without food but that is only because we have been conditioned all our lives that we need food and that we will go into starvation mode at the drop of a hat.

All the people successfully following this WOE are proof positive that you won't have to take to your bed on a fast day and that we can all still function perfectly well with a grumbling belly.

Take the plunge. Honestly, it's easy.

monster54 Tue 21-May-13 09:47:22

Just a quick Q any of you ladies that are in the 9's and 8's super slim. Are you finding you having to exercise a lot along with the 5:2? I'm trying 4:3 for the next couple of weeks to try and get it moving again...

Exercise might be my next attempt...although I never stick to anything so reluctant to even try!!

PearlyGrey Tue 21-May-13 09:48:08

Hi everyone smile
Out of interest does anyone know how much they lost in the first week? According to my scales I've lost 2.1kg (so about 4 and a half pounds?!) which seems a lot. I've done a lot of exercise and been trying hard outside of fast days but even so that seems excessive and our scales are a bit dodgy. Does that sounds really OTT? Have a feeling I need to brave the horrible public scales at the gym...

NoForkNKnife Tue 21-May-13 09:48:36

In sorry, I haven't caught up in the thread yet. So please don't think I'm ignoring any big news.

I had an awful day yesterday. It was FD, and I was doing fine. I had my 500cals for evening meal, and within an hour I was throwing up. I couldn't keep anything down at all, not even water. Trying to feed a newborn and throwing up in a bowl at the same time was not fun! My mum had to come and rescue me.
I think it wasn't a bug, but rather ketoacidosis. My blood suar was dangerously (should have been at hospital) high. And while the fasting hadn't caused it, I think it may have made it worse sad.

DH did all the child are overnight and I feel almost normal this morning. Thoroughly enjoyed the toast this morning grin.

It was just a freak incident (hasn't happened to me in over 21 years of being type 1) but it's worried me. Going to eat normally for a couple of days and put FD off until at least Thursday.

I'll go and read the thread now!

blue2 Tue 21-May-13 09:49:43

Thanks Greeneggs for the new thread.

I haven't posted here for a while, but tend to come and catch up on everyones news on my FDs just to keep up my motivation.

I'm losing VERY slowly, but have taken up Pilates as well as doing my usual 2x dance classes a week. The pilates is def. making a change to my tummy area.

Someone further up the thread remarked how slowly they were losing weight compared to everyone else - I think I'm averaging 1/2 pound a week for 2 FDs - however - I do feel so much better and less sluggish eating this way.

I also have a Father with dementia, and so the thought of maybe diminishing my chances of getting it, propels me along, too.

Can I also join the NO SNACKING CLUB? I need a kickup the 'whatsit' between 5 and 7pm every night...

NoForkNKnife Tue 21-May-13 09:49:57

Oh, and I've lost the weekend weight and then some! Hope it doesn't all pile back on.

BetsyBell Tue 21-May-13 09:50:18

ELR Same weight as me this morning! I'm pretty sure I'm not going to see the 9s again this week unless I get my running shoes on, not feeling very inspired since the sun buggered off again. Tomorrow would be a good day if I'm having a late breakfast though...

Remembered I was meant to be doing the squats challenge this morning after an 'accidental' 3 day break.

ELR Tue 21-May-13 09:54:02

nofork sorry to hear you've been unwell. I'm not 100% sure but I think it says in the book that if you have type 1 diabetes tat 5:2 is not suitable for you. If you are breast feeding too maybe you should up the calories and spread them out a little instead of in one meal. Hope you feel better soon.

CrystalDeCanter Tue 21-May-13 09:56:34

How long have you been doing it Whitecat? I know it's stupid but I'm honestly so used to stuffing myself the second I feel a twinge of hunger I can quite comprehend actually being voluntarily hungry.

ELR Tue 21-May-13 09:56:36

betsy I've had a three day break from squats too I kind of remembered but brushed it out if my mind really quickly as soon ad i thought of it!!
I am going to do them right this minute!

Daisy17 Tue 21-May-13 09:58:32

Thanks, Betsy, that's good to know, I think a lighter fruity breakfast would have suited me better, yes. Will try that next time. Feeling so enthusiastic about this, like many I'm trying to lose that extra stone and wobbly middle that never went after birth - my son is already 2!

CrystalDeCanter Tue 21-May-13 09:59:28

Daisy that's what I need to lose and my youngest is 5 (almost 6) blush

BetsyBell Tue 21-May-13 10:00:20

((((NoFork)))) That's sounds horrible, hope you're feeling better now. It honestly sounds like the diabetes, BF and fasting are not a good combo. You should really consider stopping the fasting until your baby is older. You need to look after yourself x

Daisy17 Tue 21-May-13 10:00:35

Crystal do try it - I had exactly the same worries as you and I found it way easier than I thought - even managed to survive a trip to the dentist with a toddler in tow at 5pm!

Daisy17 Tue 21-May-13 10:01:36

Ah, but he's my ONLY, Crystal.....

peachy I lost 5lb in the first week and have continued to drop about 4-5lbs a week. Though I am still in the obese category!

BetsyBell Tue 21-May-13 10:06:31

blue2 I'll be here around 4 re. snacking so you can just scroll up and read my no snacking post at 5 wink grin

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 21-May-13 10:15:19

NoFork you are fasting and you a diabetic?

Is that advised? Have you spoken to your GP?

NoWayNoHow Tue 21-May-13 10:17:22

Hi all.

Can I join? I'm doing my first fast day today, and will do the 2nd on Thursday.

I'm 5'4" and 10st4.5lbs, so just within the healthy BMI range, but I've always felt more comfortable the other side of 10st and closer to 9st7lbs if possible. I've always done WW and found it to be very successful for me, but since having my gallbladder removed my digestion seems to operate completely differently (and I've also developed a wheat intolerance!) and my weight loss has slowed dramatically - net loss this year is only 4lbs which is pretty pathetic.

So, I'm hoping trying something new will help, but I've learned such good eating techniques with WW that I'm certainly going to try to stick to the same kind of healthy eating during the week and just let weekends be my down time.

I've started today with some gluten free toast with boiled egg, and am going to drink my way through gallons of decaf coffee and Rooibos tea until dinner tonight which will be grilled chicken breast with greek salad (lettuce, cherry tomatoes, cucumber, feta). Whole day (including milk with drinks) comes in at 487cals so fingers crossed I can stick to it.

I've been reading on the thread about snacking, and it does seem to make sense to avoid it on fast days if possible as (a) it's extending the time between eating, and (b) you're not using up valuable cals which could be put towards slightly more substantial breakfasts/dinner.

Any other tips/tricks would be greatly appreciated! I've already had a nose at the recipe thread which looks AMAZING!

CrystalDeCanter Tue 21-May-13 10:17:38

NoFork - I know I'm new here n'all but this is what it says on the fast diet website

Who is advised not to do IF?

People who are underweight
Children
Type 1 diabetics and diabetics on insulin
pregnant or breast feeding mothers,
if you have an eating disorder,
If you are recovering from surgery,
If you are taking prescribed medications we would advise you to see your doctor first, as you would before embarking on any weight-loss regime.

it sounds like you had a frightening experience. I hope yr ok.

Sariah Tue 21-May-13 10:24:41

I think I must be eating way too much on my nfd. I dont weigh myself regularly but can feel the fat. I am fine on fast days and normally ok the day after but my weekends are full of food. Thai takeaway, chocolate fudge cake, roasts, curries, lovely bread, cheeses, chocolate, pastries, cup cakes, chips. Its like I go on a feeding frenzy. I exercise well as in I cycle 25km to work and back most days. At best I am not going to put on weight but I dont think I am going to lose weight as I feel justified in eating what I want after fasting. I should probably count my cals for a few weeks to see how much I am actually eating on nfds.

NoForkNKnife Tue 21-May-13 10:47:43

Thanks for everyone's concern.

The problem with advice for any 'diet' you follow is that it often says unsuitable for diabetics. There are so many treatments and yes, some insulin regimes would be dangerous when combined with fasting. The treatment regime I use us an insulin pump. I am actually encouraged to fast regularly to see if my setting with food are accurate. So, fasting is not a problem.
Yesterday the pump got blocked. A very rare occurrence. But because I was fasting I think it made the aftermath worse. I didn't have anything in my stomach which didn't help! But it in no way caused it. If I was to go in and tell a GP I was following this diet they'd have a pink fit. But if I told my endocrinologist, he would be completely fine with it. Things have come a very long way in the last 10 years and most of the medics haven't caught up!

Right. I'm off to plan lunch! No snacks! No snacks! So I want something special for lunch. Would I be a glutton to bake one of those pop in the oven baguettes? Mmmmmmm. Warm bread....

BetsyBell Tue 21-May-13 10:52:41

Hello noway smile, Many of us find holding off breakfast makes a fasting day easier - try pushing it back gradually until it turns into lunch! Many people manage with just an evening meal (not me though). Keep busy.

The no snacking on fast days is no problem, it's the NFDs some of us are trying to adjust! Now we've seen how our bodies favourably react to fasting periods we're trying to instil some additional good habits on non fasting days too. Well, that's how see it anyway, others may have their own agendas...

meandmyfour Tue 21-May-13 10:54:46

So, just to clarify...everyone in the 'no snacking' club - are you eating pretty much what you want on NFD's but nothing between or are you still calorie counting. After a good fast day yesterday I've just had a huge and delicious brunch followed by some chocolate but plan to not eat at all now until dinner tonight...sound like a plan?
Disheartened as I'm three pounds up on my new low of a fortnight ago. You're all doing so well!! envy

silverbeetle Tue 21-May-13 11:00:07

Quick post before I dash off to work.

After a mega carb blow out on Saturday night managed to pile on 3.5lbs shock in one day.
Then after my initial panic and and some straight talking commonsense from some lovely people on here am pleased to report that have lost 3lb already, doing what I was told blush.
That's just doing one fast day (yesterday) and a sensible eating day on Sunday.
Interestingly my body still feels too full and bunged up, if that makes sense, wonder how long it will be until I feel normal again?
I'm only eating home made pizza in future, deep pan packaged crap is just not for me.

Oh dear, hope you feel OK now NoFork, agree with others would be wise to check with GP before anymore fasting. Sounds like you had a lucky escape from a hospital visit.

Welcome NoWay smile

silverbeetle Tue 21-May-13 11:09:20

Opps, our messages crossed NoFork, quite understand about differing opinions of the medical profession, most like to err on the side of caution unless they are experts in their particular field. Sounds like you know your body best and now what the problem was. Really glad you're feeling better smile

Daisy17 Tue 21-May-13 11:18:33

Blimey - if a healthy middle is half your height I need to lose 14cm!! That seems impossible! Could that be partly saggy muscles? Feel horribly despondent now. In weight terms I only need to lose a stone, really......

Daisy17 Tue 21-May-13 11:21:08

I always have had a pot belly......

frenchfancy Tue 21-May-13 11:34:15

14 cm is definitely possible. I've lost more than 22 cm of my waist doing 5:2.

Whitecat Tue 21-May-13 11:43:01

Wow frenchfancy that is an amazing diminishing waist.

crystal I've been doing this since early Jan. Yesterday was my 30th fast. I've managed to shed 12lbs which is great but is definitely slower than the average of a pound a week.

What is particularly great about these threads is finding out how different it is for everybody. Some are speedy and drop loads of weight really quickly and for some it is slow but is does happen if you just keep going.

Daisy17 Tue 21-May-13 11:44:18

Wow, that's great, Fancy, well done you. I think I might have measured wrong, though - NHS definition of waist is the line between your hips and your ribs. Mr Moseley says around your tummy button, but on a woman shape that's more like hip measurement, isn't it?! I now make it 7cm which seems more doable...... Sorry for the panic, as you were!

fastyspeedyfast Tue 21-May-13 12:03:03

Wow, feel so much better waking up the next morning without any hint of the FD headache (usually it carries on until I eat the next morning). Gonna keep up those cups of tea on FDs from now on!

Whitecate I've been going for about 7 weeks and have lost about 4 pounds, so slow weight loss, but the scale is moving in the right direction so I'm happy. I find it's hard to pin down the exact amount lost as my weight fluctuates 2 pounds up or down during the week. 4 pounds is the most conservative number.

NoWayNoHow Tue 21-May-13 12:03:51

Thanks for the welcome smile

I am already pushing breakfast through to after I drop DS off at school - so eating about 9:30 which definitely helps keep hunger at bay until about 2 on a normal day, so we'll see how it goes today!

I also amn religious about only weighing myself once a week on the same day at the same time in the same place, as I find my weight fluctuates so much during the week depending on the TOTM and other factors, and I hate to be overly optimistic or find myself despondent.

Itsaboatjack Tue 21-May-13 12:14:35

Well I managed a 4 mile run this morning then came home and did my 100 squats for the 30 day challenge. I'm at work now and my legs are really feeling it. Lots of stretches tonight methinks.

NFD day here so just planning my meals and making sure my calories will be high enough with out the 'snack calories ' for the day.

ponygirlcurtis Tue 21-May-13 12:27:15

meandmyfour that's how I plan to do it. About to have lunch, which I will follow with a rice pudding, and then nothing till dinnertime.

Welcome crystal and noway

monster you asked about exercise...I'm 8st 8 now and have exercised throughout 5:2 and onto maintenance. I set my TDEE at lightly active, burn about 500 each gym visit (3x week) and don't eat my exercise cals usually but they are there as a buffer - I think in terms of a weekly deficit rather than daily because if I'm at the gym until 9pm I'm not going to come home and stuff myself! I don't think exercise is keeping me at this weight but it has certainly got easier without 20lbs to drag around!

Had I been in the no snacking club today, I would already have been expelled blush

monster54 Tue 21-May-13 12:51:13

Thanks ppc...I just majorily struggle for time for exercise!!

I will need to try and formulate a plan. I'm only just in the healthy BMI but I'm wondering if my body is stopping at its comfort zone...

BsshBossh Tue 21-May-13 13:25:39

meandmyfour I'm in the no snacking club and don't count calories at all. I just eat what I want (as nutritious as I can but with some treats) at my main meals then nothing in between. I eat to fullness but do not want to stuff myself. The thing is I tend to skip breakfast altogether - fasting has got me out of the habit - so I'm eating two hearty main meals now: lunch and dinner, nothing in between. Except weekends, when I tend to have brunch, late lunch, late dinner. Still fasting two days a week even though I am at goal weight.

spababe Tue 21-May-13 13:38:26

I'd be very interested to know how people who start off quite heavy have got on. I have been following SW but eating too many syns although my meals are all SW Ok thus my weight has plateaued. I am 15st (embarassed) so I'd like to know if I do 5:2 and eat SW meals and some syns on the '5' days how quickly could I expect to loose weight? I don't mean dieting on the '5' days just eating sensible low fat meals and some treats.

INeedThatForkOff Tue 21-May-13 13:48:34

I've just made cakes with DD and managed to refrain from tasting much of the mixture grin

meandmyfour Tue 21-May-13 13:56:53

Thank you ponygirl and Bssh...is the no snacking thing new to you both? And, if so, is it helping with the weight loss? Here's hoping..! X

INeedThatForkOff Tue 21-May-13 13:57:54

spababe, tbh if you want to make this work I think you need to leave the diet mindset behind. It's an eating pattern for life, not just a quick fix. I have been arsing about with Weight Watchers on and off for years. It works if you're motivated and strict with yourself, but as soon as you loosen your hold you start to regain weight. It is such a pleasure to leave that behind and try something new.

spababe I've been doing 5:2 for just over a month. I was your weight at the start. I've lost 4-5lb a week so far. Though we all lose slightly differently so please don't take that as a given.

I'm not sure about combining sw and 5:2. I like that I don't have to deprive myself on this woe. I am making a conscious effort to eat and drink below Tdee on nfd, and am eating more healthily in general. I don't know enough about sw meals. They may just do the same thing!

MummyPigsFatTummy Tue 21-May-13 13:59:12

Hello everyone <waves weakly due to feelings of starvation>. I am new to this. First fast day today. Am struggling already and it is only 2pm. Have had a bolied egg and banana so far today. Please tell me it gets easier and also that I will lose loads of lovely weight fast enough to keep me going? I have a BMI over 35 so have lots to lose... smile

Dotty342kids Tue 21-May-13 14:02:58

MummyPigsFatTummy, yes, it does get easier. My stomach still rumbles and growls all through each and every fast day but you just, sort of, learn to accommodate it! And when you step on the scales and see each small loss, it helps to keep you focussed!
My BMI was about 29 when I started this (mid Feb), not quite sure what it is now but still not in the healthy range though will hopefully get there at some point soon.
You will get used to not eating, I promise you! I used to cave at about 2pm and eat a banana / egg too but now I go happily (ignoring the growling tummy) until around 6pm usually.

ELR Tue 21-May-13 14:07:47

Well I've just had my bigger lunch of wholewheat pasta, tuna, broccoli cherry tomatoes and fiery chilli pesto followed by a cup of tea and half a chocolate and pear scone. I'm stuffed, it all came in at 525 calories. So i managed a 5 hour window this morning with no snack just a glass of water. I have paella and the other half of the scone planned for dinner which comes in at 600 calories so that leaves me 250 calories below my tdee. Maybe I will have yogurt and fruit as pudding.
Fingers crossed for the no snacking danger zone at 4pm!

BsshBossh Tue 21-May-13 14:27:16

meandmyfour yep it's new to me.

ponygirlcurtis Tue 21-May-13 14:30:27

meandmyfour I've only just decided today to make a determined effort not to snack, so I am hoping that it will help with weight loss. TBH, I probably wasn't snacking much anyway, but with the thought that having 5hrs clear without eating helps burn fat, I'm being more careful about it. Although, the rice pudding that I'd planned for lunch afters got turned into a whole Milky Bar cow (Easter leftovers)...blush am hoping that within the next 5hrs it'll burn off!!!!!! seems unlikely

spababe I am trying to just generally eat healthily and more consciously on my NFDs, keeping a vague track of calories etc to make sure I'm not going mad. But if I want a glass of wine in the evenings, I have it, and I don't feel guilty because I know I'm doing well on the FDs.

MummyPigsFatTummy Tue 21-May-13 14:37:32

Many thanks Dotty342kids. I am very glad to hear that. I am definitely struggling today!

ELR, I am a bit confused. I thought we didn't have to worry about calories on the NFDs. I have only read the book though - have they found it is better to calorie count every day? <Hope not - been there, done that a few times!>

frenchfancy Tue 21-May-13 14:59:52

You don't need to calorie count on NFDs. Just eat normallt. However if you find after a few weeks you are not losing weight then our advice is to count (not restrict . just count) on NFDs for a bit just to make sure that our definition of normal really is normal. After all most if us didn't get overweught by eating 2000 cals/day did we?

MummyPigsFatTummy Tue 21-May-13 15:10:23

You are right frenchfancy. If 190 cals (consumption so far today) is anything to go by, I doubt I have EVER stuck to 2000 cals/day!

awomanchanging Tue 21-May-13 16:06:41

Hello everyone. Just checkin in. I'm on day 4 ha my first nfd yday and happy to report I'm down 3.8 lbs in 3 days! I'm very excited to see the progress to come and I'm loving how the 5:2 has gotten the scales to move faster than I've seen in a while. My first goal is 11.8 lbs away and if I love my body image then I'll be at goal. My main goal is to lose body fat at least 8% which equates to 15 lbs so next week I will be checking my body fat again. I'm really ecstatic and hope everyone is having a great day!

ELR Tue 21-May-13 16:16:04

mummy you don't need to calorie count don't worry! I am just doing it for the purpose of today as am not snacking so made my meals bigger. I was eating way too many snacks and my meals were smaller.

BetsyBell Tue 21-May-13 16:19:15

Hello! Snack danger zone! I am really hungry - fast day yesterday and complete failure to make my meals bigger than usual. However, it is habitual hunger and I will of course survive till 6pm smile.

ELR Tue 21-May-13 16:32:43

Hi fellow snack avoiders. I've just had cup of tea with milk tell me that doesn't count as a snack!
We can do it betsy
Luckily I'm not actually hungry the bigger meal thing has def worked for me. And I'm making paella for tea I won't be tasting it as I'm making it, its just not one of those type of recipes thank goodness.
Just going to drop the kids to their yoga class then will start the paella and finish it when I've picked them up. DH is playing football tonight so I will eat early with the kids at 6pm and then will be ok aye just a cup of tea at around 9pm

Moominlandmidwinter Tue 21-May-13 16:33:20

MUST...NOT...SNACK!

Tea is definitely not a snack, ELR!

Ok, so although I had a biscuit or two at morning break I've now had nothing since eating my lunch at 12. Trouble is, what am I supposed to do with the >1000 calories I have left for dinner?!!

<calorie counting disclaimer - I still count mine to stick close to TDEE>

BetsyBell Tue 21-May-13 16:39:12

I was making a sandwich packed lunch earlier and was about to pop a bit of ham in my mouth, remembered NO SNACKING and popped it back in the packet instead!

If tea counts as a snack then I'm in big trouble ELR...

We can do this!

I'm really not looking forward to going in the kitchen, but I am mentally creating an epic pasta, prawn and avocado dish right now - argh too early! [salivates].

see this is why i can't be in the no snacking club. i just ate about 100cals worth of smoked salmon rather than wait for dinner. however it is the first thing i've eaten today so essentially that was my breakfast. my lunch will be my dinner and tea will be whatever other little thing i nibble on before bedtime. so are they snacks or are they meals iyswim?

sod it i'll make dinner now and then my smoked salmon will have been a starter and my dinner the main course grin

CockBollocks Tue 21-May-13 17:11:35

HELP ME!!!

First fast day and I'm seriously struggling, feel a bit wobbly & faint.

Its dinner time and I may cave sad

dines Tue 21-May-13 17:20:01

Hey guys I really need some motivation.. I had a week were I didnt do anyfasts as my auntie was down to visit .. im finding it so hard to get bk on track I had two fasts last week was over both days about 700-800.. I dont know y im finding it so hard. I havnt had one this week yet had my last fast Wednesday last week.. wud love some motivation and advice

have you had your 500cals yet CB?

dines - no good advice - just had a couple of weeks off myself. i'd say if you can't manage fasting (and i just couldn't for a while for some reason) then just try and be mindful what you eat and aim for some low cal days. you did two good low cal days last week despite not sticking to 500.

also do some mini fasts if you can - re: not eating all day but not restricting cals when you do eat.

doesn't have to be all or nothing.

had the last of my casserole this evening but as not a fast day i had it with a good mound of mash and i am stuffed grin might squeeze something sweet in as a treat before bed though.

Moominlandmidwinter Tue 21-May-13 17:38:51

By the way, that wasn't aimed at ELR!

I'm with you, postmanpatscat- I have managed to be good, and stick to meals, but now have 900kcal left for dinner. I was planning on having a jacket potato with beans, but may have a muller corner to add a few calories. I know it's different as I've just begun recently, but I don't want to go too low on NFDs.

Rolf Tue 21-May-13 17:40:32

I've been lurking for a bit and thought I'd take the plunge and join in!
I've tried this last year and found myself really exhausted, and it just didn't seem to agree with me, so I left it. I've started again and have done 5 fast days and found them much easier.

I haven't weighed myself at all as I have a tendency, when I see scary figures, to plunge into the depths of despair and comfort eat blush. But I'm feeling pretty good. I may take the plunge after my second fast day this week.

My main problem with eating is that I comfort eat and have sugar cravings. They haven't disappeared, although I'm managing them fine on my fast days. On my non-fast days I'm doing my usual piggy munching. But I hope that doing piggy munching 5 days out of 7, rather than 7, will do me good. I'm focusing solely on the fast days as I think that is the strategy most likely to suit my screwed-up relationship with food and body image.

In the book, MM and MS seem to end up with a lovely, effortlessly moderate approach to eating, even on non-fast days. That certainly isn't happening with me at this early stage. Is anyone else having the same experience and still losing weight?

dines Tue 21-May-13 17:57:09

Thanks swallowedafly will do some mini fasts then will ween myself into just having the 500 cals.. I need some new ideas on wot to eat on fast days.. anyone got any.. I like to have something about 1 then something about 5-6 I find it hard to leave the whole 500 cals till later on

CockBollocks Tue 21-May-13 18:12:02

Phew - I can introduce myself now, I have just eaten a tin of tuna and a boiled egg so feel a bit better now!!!

I have been lurking for a while and thought I would take the plunge today.

I had porridge, made with water at about one as I know I could not manage all day.

Prawntoast Tue 21-May-13 18:15:25

dines I have become a big fan of the Hairy Dieters cookbook, loads of meals under 500 cals and very tasty, they focus on using lots of herbs and spices to give the food flavour. I quite often use it as a family cookbook as well now (when I can tear myself away from Nigel Slater, definately not a low cal option!). There is also a recipe thread linked in the OP as well.

dines Tue 21-May-13 18:27:58

Thanks prawntoast gonna start on a mini fast tomorro and c if that will help me get bk into it. Is anyone fasting tomorro?

Dotty342kids Tue 21-May-13 19:11:42

dines, I've got a couple of favourites from the BBC Good Food website, this is one so search for it there: Harissa chicken traybake.
Also try googling "Nigella, butternut squash and lentil thai curry" or words to that effect - that's gorgeous too. Also really like (for a good basics dinner), two quorn sausages - only 70 cals each, on a piece of toast with half a tin of baked beans. Yum!
Or the curry which I wrote up just on the end of Thread no. 19 smile

FrozenFlowers Tue 21-May-13 19:19:26

Well done non snackers - this is something I need to work on as well!

This is Fast Day 3. I felt a bit queasy this morning but ultimately it has been fine. My M&S 300 calorie prawn and giant cous cous thing is in the oven - couldn't be arsed to cook tea tonight. Am starving now that I can smell it cooking.

Still no idea what I weigh but I have lost almost an inch off my waist which I think means things must be going in a good direction!

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 19:24:38

Hi.
nofork I hope you're feeling better.

So, fellow former snackers, how's it going?
I'm on a NFD today and as usual I haven't counted calories or avoided treats, but I have stopped snacking.
I had a large breakfast; toast, egg, apple, yogurt.
No lunch.
Dinner was lasagne, garlic bread blush, salad [polishes halo], and [whispers behind hand] 2 mini magnums blush blush.

It wasn't difficult to skip lunch and avoid snacks but it did take some effort and concentration. I was out with dh at lunchtime and we could easily have had coffee and cake, but I had a cup of tea [smug].

So I reckon, although it's been a greedy day meals -wise, I know that I would easily have eaten more and I was aware of urges and opportunities to snack but didn't cave.

I like the idea of skipping a meal on NFDs
Lunch can e a PITA anyway.
Now I just need to keep up the no snacking rule and Stick to one mini magnum absolute max grin

Oh, and get that Pilates DVD out and do that.
Sorted

FairyArmadillo Tue 21-May-13 19:26:17

Marking my place before I read through. My 4th fast day yesterday. It's a lot easier now. My friend told me I looked slimmer today, though I haven't weighed myself. Just noticed my clothes are slightly looser and I'm eating less between meals on feast days because I'm not hungry. After a fast day I feel quite cleansed.

The biggest bonus, the best unexpected side effect- my PMT. I struggled so much with PMT. Posted on here about it. Bought supplements, cut down on coffee, went on long walks for exercise etc etc. I track my cycle with period app on my phone so I can brace myself for the evil moods. I've been bracing myself since the weekend and I've been fine! I'm so happy about this. Cannot adequately put into words how happy I am about this!

frenchfancy Tue 21-May-13 19:27:42

For you none snackers who are going to struggle to meet calories why not do what I do (and some other maintainers) and bank them for the weekend. I am often 2-300cals under Tdee during the week (whenI don't drink) but I am often over at the weekend when the wine (and peanuts) come out. Over the 5 NFDs it averages out at about TDEE.

ELR Tue 21-May-13 19:30:09

Hi french don't worry that is exactly what I am going to do!
It's def good advice as I always tend to over indulge on a weekend especially as I usually bake Friday and then do some form of bread at the weekend too.

INeedThatForkOff Tue 21-May-13 19:30:47

Well, three fasts in and I seem to have got to the fabled point I didn't really believe in, at which I stop wanting to eat so much on NFDs. I wasn't intending to join the non-snackers because it's my birthday tomorrow and I'll be snacking then for sure, but today I have managed it quite by accident.

If it doesn't sound to patronising coming from a relative newbie, I have a tip: I had a big breakfast today of beans on toast with cheese on top. I don't know why; the mood just took me and I'd already planned it for lunch. I had that at about 8:45, and really, I've not felt especially hungry all day. That's not to say i haven't eaten meals since - I have, but no picking.I'm going to try it again on Thursday.

So my tip is try a bigger breakfast than usual.

Another thing I've noticed as a BFer is that fasting hasn't caused any problems with my milk supply. In fact, twice this week I've expressed 10 oz in one sitting; once on the second day after a fast, and today, directly after a fast. I usually only manage 5oz. This baffles me, I have to say. Anyway, if there are any lurkers unsure whether to give it a go whilst breastfeeding, it hasn't caused me any problems. That said, I did wait until DS was 6mo and starting to have solids.

meandmyfour Tue 21-May-13 19:35:39

Hi dines I'm fasting tomorrow. So much for my no snacking plan. All fine til 4pm, biscuits and chocolate.
Oh well, good fast tomorrow hopefully

Emilythornesbff Tue 21-May-13 19:38:04

ineedthatforkoff I did the same thing with breakfast today. It was good. I will be doing it again. Lunch can be a bit time consuming anyway.

frenchfancy I would consider "banking" snacks but reckon I ate quite enough today with just my meals grin blush

BsshBossh Tue 21-May-13 19:40:44

betsy, ELR, other no snackers. Successful no snacking NFD (NS/NFD?) for me today. Skipped breakfast as usual then had a hearty lunch around 2pm that is still keeping me full and am in no danger of snacking until dinner at 8.30pm. Dinner will end with dessert smile. I was reading The No S book and he said that to begin with you'll load up your plate more than usual at mealtimes but eventually you'll learn how much food keeps you full for 5 or so hours and you may even find you serve yourself less. I found that reassuring!

welcome crystal and daisy ,and all other new posters. crystal I lost 2.5 lbs in week 1 and then went up 0.5 lb in week 2! My weight loss has been slow since .Ive never lost more than 3/4 lb in a week ( have been doing this since Jan and lost 10 lbs. Every now and again I post about my slow loss to have a whinge about it on here, but I have no intention of giving up and that has alot to do with how supportive everybody is on this thread.Some of the amazing losses from people like Bshhh , postman combined with the encouraging posts from virgin ,TIP et al ...really do keep me motivated .I read the thread religiously on a daily basis desperate to know how everyones doing.dotty and saf are my thread twinssmile
Have been on a fast day today and have just had a lovely dinner of chicken breast stuffed with mustard and cheese ,wrapped in Parma Ham .Baked in oven with vine tomatoes and a side of steamed broccoli and mange tout.( devine and just under 350 cals). Everything tastes better on a fast daygrin

BsshBossh Tue 21-May-13 19:52:34

postmanpatscat, Moominlandmidwinter I'm with Frenchfancy - I don't log calories anymore so actually don't really know if have undereaten my TDEE today through no snacking. But I do know that it'll somehow balance itself out eg at weekends (where I won't be so strict on my no snacking rule) and special days eg holidays, birthdays... So I'm not yet too concerned about it. postman you've reached goal weight too haven't you. Like you, I think, I'm still losing but I'm trusting still that over time it will balance out. For now I'm just making sure everything I eat is full fat.

I would save my calories for wine but I'm a non-drinker so I have to save them for chocolate instead!

Came home and started an ironing marathon so haven't had dinner yet, let alone 1000 cals worth!

headintheclouds it's lovely to think I'm inspiring someone smile

BetsyBell Tue 21-May-13 20:03:36

Bssh re NO SNACKING I didn't upscale breakfast or lunch so I was pretty fiendishly hungry by dinner - a delicious pile of pasta, salad, prawns, veg, avocado & feta. I did then sort of panic and ate a vast quantity of chocolate covered raisins and peanuts (as dessert?) so now feeling a little overstuffed.

But I have now made it my mission to not buy those tempting things (I don't normally have them in, not sure what I was thinking grin).

Luckily I'm not an evening snacker so that's my first NFD non-snack day done. So even though I still ate the naughty things, I ate them as part of a meal rather than letting loose at my habitual time.

Now the chocolate is gone, tomorrow I can raid the fruit bowl or have yogurt for pudding as I normally would on a weekday.

BsshBossh Tue 21-May-13 20:06:24

headintheclouds flowers

BetsyBell Tue 21-May-13 20:08:05

Where's akarucker? Haven't heard from her for a while... or am I just missing posts in this speedy thread?

Hello Cockbollocks (love it!) It gets easier I promise smile. You can eat quite a sizeable amount for 500 calories if you pile up the veg alongside your protein, certainly helps me get through a fast day.

Itsaboatjack Tue 21-May-13 20:27:58

Come on cooker, cook faster! My dinner is in the oven and I am hanging out for it grin

Dotty342kids Tue 21-May-13 20:33:22

Betsy I'm sure I've seen akarucker around in the last few days......

I agree with headintheclouds, it's the support, stories and enthusiasm from everyone that keeps me going on days when I might otherwise lose steam!
Today I've religiously tracked on MFP now that I've discovered I've got 200 less cals to play with on my NFDs shock and realised that I had definitely reverted to overeating on them.
I've already inputted my planned meals for tomorrow and am pleased to see that they allow for a little bit of Cadbury related indulgence which I shall enjoy whilst working tomorrow evening smile.
headintheclouds that chicken thing sounds lovely - was it wholegrain / french / english mustard and was it mixed with grated cheese / soft cheese?

Dotty342kids Tue 21-May-13 20:33:49

haha itsaboatjack, what's for dinner?

MizK Tue 21-May-13 20:36:10

Hi all, another newbie here! Been reading your threads for inspiration since starting last week, thanks for keeping me going!

Lost 2 pounds in the first week despite eating way too much on NFDs...

Am currently 10.10 and 5 7 tall - not officially overweight but am a definite apple shape so have a very wobbly out of proportion tummy which I'd like to lose.

On my third fast day, finding it tough because all I can think of is food sad

Am a massive overeater usually, stay just within healthy BMI because I never stay still and have good genes - however I would love to build a healthy relationship with food as well as reaching my ideal weight of 9st 13.

Has anybody really changed how they eat long term on this plan? I realise that you've all probably gone over this lots, but any words of comfort would help me as I pine over my empty tummy!

Talkinpeace Tue 21-May-13 20:36:13

Well it has to be said I'm really impressed with everybody
NO MORE SNACKING is catching on!

And I definitely do not count tea with no sugar and semi skim milk as a snack : if I do not get my caffeine on fast days I'm nadgered. Ditto on normal days.

Feeling dizzy / faint on fast days
drink more : have a pint of water or a cup of tea.
You need to stay hydrated, especially in the early months when you are retraining your system about the fact that reserves come from the muffin top not the stomach.

And remember that from an early supper till lunch the next day with no food at all is 16 hours - only one meal skipped - and will do your system a world of good.

Agree about having your sweet treat (if you really need one) directly after your meal - before you even clear the table - as then your ghrelin "full" switch will stay on so you'll only have a small treat.

BsshBossh Tue 21-May-13 20:40:45

You see TIP, if you keep on banging on about it, the message seeps through to action, eventually grin. Keep on with the no snacking exhortation!

agteacht Tue 21-May-13 20:43:00

Hi all
Have now done 2 fast days and was 3/4 of a pound down this morning,
A bit disappointed with that but I did overindulge all over the weekend so I guess it could be worse.

Tomorrow is fast 3 and then won't be fasting again till next Tuesday due to being away for the long weekend. Hope that works.

I find the fast quite hard but I have noticed I'm not as hungry as usual on a NFD.
I'm now 10st2 and desperate to get to 9st something. Can never quite get there - constant plateau!!

Itsaboatjack Tue 21-May-13 20:49:53

Stuffed now, dotty it was a huge pile of roasted veg with chilli prawns mmm.

Dotty342kids Tue 21-May-13 20:54:48

If I liked prawns I'm sure that'd be lovely itsaboat! Really wish I did like prawns as I know they're such a fab source of low cal protein

Today has been quite a hard fast for me today thanks to a mirena induced mini af and pmt from hell. Only a good 4-6 months of this madness...

Enjoyed by broth and crackers though. Very much.

Oh and whoever mentioned Bovril back on the last thread. flowers Thank you thank you. Its been a complete lifesaver today

MummyPigsFatTummy Tue 21-May-13 21:13:14

OK first fast day nearly over and dinner tasted FANTASTIC - chicken with a spicy rub (yum) and mixed veg. Going to have an orange shortly to bring me up to 500 cals.

Had a boiled egg and banana for a late breakfast at 11-ish and that was me.

It was tough though. My next fast day is Thursday - aiming to do Tuesday and Thursday as Friday I am with DD (3) and I don't want to be snappy with her. Would I be better going for Monday and THiursday or doesn't it matter? My roommate at work does Tuesdays and I thought it might be easiest to eat or not with him.

Please tell me I will have lost loads by next week grin even if I booze it up a bit at the Elderflower Fields Festival at the weekend?

Miffytastic Tue 21-May-13 21:24:58

agteacht I am the same weight as you and also desperate to be 9 something!
The no snacking article has definitely tipped me over into TIP's way of thinking and going to try to do it as much as I can. I do find I need a snack after running though to stop feeling wobbly.

I am nearing the end of fast day #2 (fasted yesterday as well) and it hasn't been awful but I can't bloomin wait for breakfast!

myjoy Tue 21-May-13 21:31:13

rolf as a comfort eater myself, I'm trying to use fast days to examine my use of food for things other than what it is good for (nourishment). I view this as being a life long experiment and will probably be making adjustments constantly. What's working for me now is learning to feel hunger and not panic and to pay attention to why I want to eat sometimes. What am I trying to avoid, in other words. Maybe I sound like a hippy but I think we must be gentle with ourselves and try to stop the punishing inner dialogue. Or at least be aware of it.

Someone said up thread (sorry for rough paraphrasing), come rigidly to this and it will be rigid with you. Be flexible and you will find the same.

Whatever our ultimate goals we are all doing IF to achieve wellness and I think we can only do that when we look inside and out.

Southeastdweller Tue 21-May-13 21:35:38

Just posting to enthuse about a new FD food discovery - Heinz squueze and stir cup a soups. Only one nasty ingredient (absorbic acid) so not bad compared to the ones by Batchelors and Ainsley Harriott. The one I had was minestrone, cost 65p from my local supermarket and really tasty. It's also only 76 calories!

NoWayNoHow Tue 21-May-13 22:15:44

Wow, so good to see all these great meal ideas!

So, Day 1 of fasting is done. Having had breakfast at 9:30 I found 2-4pm the hardest as I was SO hungry, but after that I found it really easy to push on through till dinner, and I didn't even finish the gigantic salad portion I had with my chicken.

Have kept going I think largely do to copious amounts of decaf tea and coffee, and fizzy no sugar squash (5 cals) in an effort to trick my stomach into thing it's eaten.

I've got to say though - if today is anything to go by, this WOL is going to be completely sustainable. NFD tomorrow with friend round for dinner (there will be wine) so going to have a late and healthy breakfast, light salad lunch and protein heavy dinner and NO SNACKS!! wink

Breadandwine Tue 21-May-13 22:25:38

Agree about having your sweet treat (if you really need one) directly after your meal - before you even clear the table - as then your ghrelin "full" switch will stay on so you'll only have a small treat.

And also, by not eating your sweet later in the evening, you ensure that your hunger switch doesn't get turned on again. As soon as you finish eating, your hunger switch starts to reset itself - and you can start counting your fasting time.

I've just made a conscious decision not to eat anything in the evening. I've always been a conscientious eater in the evening - but I've found it easy to avoid this once I'm counting hours for a fast the day after. From now on, I shall declare to myself that once dinner is finished - I'm now 'in the zone'.

I shall let you know how this goes.

Dear B&W Just to pre-warn you that i will be holding YOU responsible for what I see on the scales tomorrow. I have made flat bread this evening from my sourdough starter with more flour , parmesan , sundried tomato onion chilli and herbs i.. This is entirely YOUR fault after what you said about experimenting with pizza crust .. (yummy though!_) (oh yes, and also I hold YOU responsible for the fact I broke my fast today .. )

Just so that's clear to all .. its not my fault . but his .. !

You can't get away with passing the buck like that, Laska! Where in those instructions I gave you did I say parmesan? grin

But you know that on this WOL you can eat what you like on your NFDs - just not how much you like!

I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in you! You've been held up on these threads as a paragon of virtue when it comes to fasting - and now look at you!

What do you think Marcus will say when he finds his voice?

Perhaps the above 'in the zone' idea may work for you.

(But, having now read all the comments directed at you, maybe you don't need my advice! grin)

Ellen, did I direct you to the GF post on my blog? Think I may have. At least you now know where you stand - and you may still be able to get GF flour on prescription. Best wishes, anyway.

Cheers, B&W (Currently planning for a 2-hour session tomorrow where my line manager has kindly recruited 20 parents and 16 children! shock)

Lazytoad Tue 21-May-13 22:29:15

Armadillo, so excited to hear that this diet is helping your pmt!! I was meaning to ask if anyone had noticed reduced pmt. I get it so badly and have tried so many things with no results. I am just coming to the end of fast day 2.

KaleyX Tue 21-May-13 22:29:29

Hi fellow 5:2ers Day 1 of fasting is also done for me!
Wow, I'm rather chuffed with myself, I thought I was going to be faint with hunger but I held out until 6pm (shock at me not eating for a whole day LOL that is unheard of!) then I had a small tuna sandwich with light mayo on 1 piece of toast and a huuuge sugary cup of tea which totaled 300 calories. I was stuffed after that which made me think wistfully perhaps my stomach shrunk during the day. I felt so buzzed today! Bring on the next Fast Day grin

Tomorrow I'm planning on baking this bad boy, I've been craving this for the past week....mmm <licks lips>

Talkinpeace Tue 21-May-13 22:41:41

kaley
glad you are enjoying it but can I be really boring and say that you are much younger than many of us : what we do NOT know is the impact of fasting on fertility.
Bulimia and anorexia are certainly terrible for it, fasting should be OK, but you need to be aware that your system is not like old crocks like mine ....

Dotty342kids Tue 21-May-13 22:45:11

OMG Kaley, what did you do that to me for?!
Oh................

KaleyX Tue 21-May-13 22:45:57

Oh no,*TiP*I wasn't aware of this at all! Do you know of any studies on the effects of intermittent fasting on fertility??
Anorexia is constant deprivation though isn't it, this is only twice a week.

KaleyX Tue 21-May-13 22:48:31

Hahaha grin I know Dotty doesn't it look incredibly delicious! I have assembled all the ingredients and I'm just waiting for tomorrow afternoon!
Salty caramel is heavenly.

Dotty342kids Tue 21-May-13 22:51:17

No more talk of sweet goodies, TIP will tell us off grin

Southeastdweller Tue 21-May-13 22:55:48

My god kaley I was feeling sleepy until I clicked on that link, now I'm wide awake and thinking of salted caramel...will have to hunt some down after work tomorrow.

plecofjustice Tue 21-May-13 22:55:58

"absorbic acid"

Presume you mean Ascorbic Acid? It's not that bad a thing, a variant of Vitamin C with anti-oxidant properties.

Breadandwine Tue 21-May-13 23:03:16

Oops! That last post of mine was meant for the maintenance thread!

(Not very good at this multi-tasking lark! confused)

fluffypillow Tue 21-May-13 23:03:47

Well done kaley smile great start.

Todays fast was quite good. Last ate at 5pm yesterday, then had a hot choc at 8pm last night. Had a couple of coffees this morning with skimmed milk. Managed until 3pm, then had a cup of hot water and marmite (this always seems to pick me up , as it's this time of day when I start to feel a bit 'spaced out').

Dinner at 5pm was quorn chilli with rice, runners, carrots, peas and broccoli! soooooo yummy. I have to really try to stop myself making 'nom nom nom' noises when I have dinner on a fast day grin the food seems to taste so much more delicious!

I have also had bucket loads of herbal tea..........a life saver for me on fast days. I now have a whole range of flavours next to the kettle! Gives a bit of variety. I'm just enjoying a clipper 'sleep easy' blend, which is really nice.

Looking forward to breakfast now, but I know when I wake in the morning, I will have to force myself to have something, as I never feel hungry the morning after a fast, strange confused

Love the feeling I'll have tomorrow after a successful fast day, you can't beat it! I always feel euphoric! and very light grin

Tomorrow I will have a lovely lunch out with DD. She's only two, but we 'do a girly lunch' on a Weds after toddler gym smile So I'll be treating myself to something yummy!

Good luck to all fasters tomorrow. I'll be fasting again on Thursday!

KaleyX Tue 21-May-13 23:07:35

Southeastdweller grin
Thanks, fluffy :D How long have you been following this w.o.e for?

fluffypillow Tue 21-May-13 23:09:33

kaley I'm only 4 weeks in, but I've lost 11lbs smile I'm loving it!

dotty The chicken dish is from Good Food Website ,just search in recipes for chicken mustard. I do my own version to cut the calories but I use a skinless fillet (200 cals) I used 10 g grated cheddar ,1 teaspoon of boursin mixed into 1 tsp wholegrain mustard (approx 60 cals). Cut a slit in the chicken add the cheese mix and wrap with 1 slice parma ham (34 cals).bake in oven for 30 mins. It is gorgeous .. If I was clever Id link it for you but I never seem to be able to link on an ipad.

Dotty342kids Tue 21-May-13 23:15:35

ooh, that sounds really nice headintheclouds, I'll hunt it out in time for next week's fast day smile

agteacht Tue 21-May-13 23:41:46

miffytastic hopefully we'll both see a 9 soon!! In the next 2 weeks?? How long have you been doing this for?
You are braver than me - there's no way I could attempt no snacking yet!!

virginposter Tue 21-May-13 23:48:37

MizK stick with it and you will find that with each fast you think less and less about food especially if you keep really really busy.

Also I found that the first place I noticed my weight loss was from my tummy and waist so hopefully you will not be an apple for much longer smile

virginposter Tue 21-May-13 23:58:07

headintheclouds thanks for kind words. Even though I'm an 'oldie' I am still following these threads every day and always learning. I used to be a 'No Snacker' when I was at the beginning of this woe and losing regularly (I'm now maintaining), but over time the odd treat began to creep in. Now I too am on the NoS and so far this week have stuck to it. It's inspiring for me to read everyones tips, ideas and experiences and to see those of you who are now more experienced helping the 'newbies' so well done to all of you smile

Itsaboatjack Wed 22-May-13 00:31:55

omg kaley that looks awesome. Salted caramel is my biggest weakness.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 22-May-13 01:23:18

Crystal, hello! Goody, a local fasting buddy, everyone else is asleep when I need a kick up the arse.

postmanpatscat, you could always eat the mussaman curry I cooked last night, which the recipe book tells me comes in at 900 calories a serve? I, obviously, lightened it up a bit. But still!

Actually, I had a realization yesterday that sounds stupid, which is that eating to TDEE is eating a LOT. I had toast and cream cheese for breakfast yesterday, a big pot of ramen noodle soup and a muesli bar for lunch, the aforementioned curry, rice and two glasses of wine for dinner, and I was still well under. I have to wonder where on earth all those calories used to come from?

Fasting today, feel far more positive about this then I did on Monday. Discovered last week that I can still successfully go to my fencing class on a fasting day as long as I eat dinner beforehand, and then I'm not really hungry afterwards, so that's great.

CrystalDeCanter Wed 22-May-13 02:33:17

Oooh Tortoise, hi, so good to have someone else in our timezone! How long have you been doing this for? Do you fast on work days or home days?

I'm doing my first fast today. Ok so far, although have had a Skinny Flat White which is probably 200cals alone. Also I can't STOP THINKING ABOUT FOOD. Am going to go and buy the book so I can read that and obsess a bit more. Also I need to get away from my pantry.

I'm interested to see if eating better (and not drinking so much) helps my pmt, for some reason I have one day a month where I'm absolutely in a RAGE all day, then wake up fine. It would a great relief if fasting and eating more healthily can help with that.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 22-May-13 03:27:57

Work days; I tried on home days, but frankly after twelve hours alone with small children, not being able to have a G&T was just too traumatic. DD2 is eighteen months now, so it's all shrieking/tearing/crying all the time chez mine.

Skinny flat white: about 70 cals according to my calculations. Unless you drank it out of a bucket I suppose. That is also the only thing I have had. I'm finding that I get through the day on a skim coffee, a miso soup or two, and come in around 100-150 cals. Then I either have a nice hearty 350 cal dinner with DH (who is also doing this, but has more of a lunch than I do), or keep it down to 250 and have a banana or some popcorn before bed.

CrystalDeCanter Wed 22-May-13 03:34:01

70 cals really? - ACE! May have another and get through this fast on caffeine alone!

I am actually pretty hungry now. Well, it is lunchtime. MUST. DISTRACT. MYSELF.

Oh god Tortoise, the 18 month teary phase - very trying. No wonder you can't fast on those days. Here have these flowers

LickTheSpoon Wed 22-May-13 05:18:16

Hey Crystal and Tortoise! Where are you guys? Thought I was the only one posting at bizarre hours due to time zones!!

FD today after botched attempt yesterday...my first fasting fail - boo. A friend invited me out at short notice. Food was involved. But if i didnt eat til gone 4pm, is that a mini fast? or a 16:8? or another of the quirky twists on fasting i have seen others mention?

This thread moves faster than I can read it - off to catch up.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 22-May-13 05:21:53

We're in South Australia, LickTheSpoon - where are you? That is a massively unfair username you have there, incidentally.

Did you eat more than 500 cals for the day? Then it's a mini fast. I think it only counts as 16:8 if you do it regularly, otherwise it's just "forgetting to eat until the afternoon".

I hope I'm right about the 70 cals. That's what my fitbit tells me, anyway, and I'm sticking to it.

LickTheSpoon Wed 22-May-13 05:52:45

Hehe. Sorry bout the username! it sums up my approach to life. grin)

Def more than 500cals yesterday, but eaten between 4-9pm.. It probably wouldn't have been much more than 6 or 700 but then I got all "oh I've ruined it - I might as well have a chocolate biscuit"! Stupid...

Doing better today but need to remember to keep drinking water.

I am in Taiwan. Back home to UK in a couple of weeks then off to NZ for 10 months, so I'll be back in your time zone by September!

CrystalDeCanter Wed 22-May-13 06:03:35

Hi LickTheSpoon, how's the fast going today?

I've just eaten a small bowl of salad leaves (dahling) and about 1/2 a cup full of roast butternut squash and roast courgette, dressed with a couple of teaspoons of ricotta cheese & pesto. Basically a small side salad. Or starter . . .

Off to the library now to see if they have Michael Moselys book before school pick up.

Is the book worth buying? Have you all got it???

dines Wed 22-May-13 06:06:35

Good morning everyone. Fast day here goin to try and keep busy so will be walking into town and bk after takin kids to school. Will pop into waitrose and get a chicken and chorizo soup will probably have half at lunch time then the other halfat dinner. Ave been struggling to do fasts since I had a week off but goin to attempt another today. Need to squeeze two in so will do today and friday. Felt so disappointed I myself that I cudnt do a proper fast cus ino I can do it. So im determined today. Will check in later today and let u know how im gettin on. Happy fasting peeps smile

NFd today. For the first time I'm growling with hhunger early doors. Gonna try no snacks though

frenchfancy Wed 22-May-13 07:17:41

Crystal there is far more information on the 20 mumsnet threads on 5:2 than there is in the book; However I have no problem with giving the great Dr M a bit of money as a thank you so I bought it (when it was cheap on kindle).

MizK Wed 22-May-13 07:34:58

Thanks for encouragement virgin, got through it OK and am making lots of plans for next FD tomorrow, so in theory I'll be too busy to obsess over hunger!

Good luck today dines you'll be grand smile

NFD today, aim is not to go crazy although have woken up ravenous, eek!

Dotty342kids Wed 22-May-13 07:45:53

aargh, bounce back up to 10st 13 today! Definitely a result of a very food based weekend. Wasn't particularly doing anything but a fair few sugary treats worked their way in.
Still, am back under the control of MFP and feel confident that I will stop the damage and, after a second fast on Friday, hopefully return to a downwards, rather than upwards, trend!

ChesterDrawers Wed 22-May-13 07:56:00

Morning all, another fast day here and much needed after a bit of indulgence yesterday.

It was our wedding anniversary and I was treated to a lovely afternoon tea which was followed by homemade steak burger and chips with cheese and bacon, Belgian chocolates, champagne and mojitos in the evening.

No surprise that I am up 2lb this morning but I'm hoping with lots of water, a run and just a prawn stir fry for tea I can shake off the gain in time for tomorrow's WI.

Chipstick10 Wed 22-May-13 07:58:40

Morning all. Fasted on Monday whilst going down with a cold. What a bloody stupid thing to do. Was sooo bad yesterday. Wicked headache. Felt so sick, couldn't get my head off the pillow till lunch time. I wouldn't mind but I didn't eat very healthily once I was back in the land of the living.

Miffytastic Wed 22-May-13 07:59:34

Just had to come on after weighing in- lost 1.5lbs this week to a new low of 10st1 and 1/4. Thank goodness things are moving downwards at last!
I think this may be due to tracking NFDs more regularly in MFP and some wiser advice I got over on the 5/2 website forum. Hurray!

LickTheSpoon Wed 22-May-13 08:01:07

dotty repeat after me: it is water, not fat, it is water, not fat! Couple of fasts and it'll be history either way.

Hi crystal - yep fast going fine. No food yet bar a couple of licks of the spoon (how appropriate) or fingers when feeding baby son. Only on a fast day could puréed carrot seem tempting ;o) Must drink water tho! Normally I'm so good but am being rubbish today.

I don't have the book btw. This thread and the gurus who post here are all I need!

LickTheSpoon Wed 22-May-13 08:10:44

Well done miffy and hope you feel better soon chipstick.

Itsaboatjack Wed 22-May-13 08:12:48

Well done miffy.

I've bounced back up since my low on Sat, I'm back to 11st6.4. So frustrating. That's 0.2 on since my last official WI last Wednesday. I know I was good last week, I know I went over TDEE at the weekend but was still under for the week as a whole, and did exercise on top too.

I'm hoping its water retention in my muscles as my legs are a little stiff from yesterday's run.

Another FD here today.

Dotty342kids Wed 22-May-13 08:29:37

That's great Miffy, well done! Just what advice did you get over on the 5:2 forums......???
itsaboat - let's hope we both shake off the upward trend (though yours was very tiny) in a few days time smile
And yes Lickthespoon, it must be water, not the chocolate and cakes I ate grin

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 08:31:16

Itsa definitely water retention in muscles [nods sagely] - I've got aching thighs from squats and running so my bounce up better be water retention and not the mountain of chocolate covered peanuts I ate yesterday (as pudding, not snack) blush

I normally keep my squats to myself but today I did 80 of them, post-run in front of the kids who were most amused and then reluctantly impressed - so much so I received a reward token from DC1. No idea what the tokens are for but every now and again I'm asked if I would like cash my tokens in for a surprise gift.

Dotty342kids Wed 22-May-13 09:09:18

Aw that's so lovely Betsy. My kids are decidedly amused by my Squat challenge efforts too but I've not had any reward tokens angry. I'm up to 180 today which is going to kill me! Because we're on holiday next week (and I have no intention of doing them there) I'm having to miss out all the rest days. My poor knees are getting really sore!

Itsaboatjack Wed 22-May-13 09:32:57

dotty it's up 2.2lb since Saturday but I record Wednesdays as my official WI day.

Up to 180 today, I'm not looking forward to that. I'm on 105 today. I'm gonna need the kids to watch me soon as I keep losing count!

Betsy I like the idea of gift tokens for squats, that's so sweet. It's a good idea though, we should plan something nice for ourselves if we make it to day 30.

wonderingagain Wed 22-May-13 09:38:02

So I am down by 12lb in 3 weeks and missed quite a few fasts. Am on ADF so doesn't matter if I miss one. I am probably doing 6 fasts over 2 weeks. Hoping to lose 2 this week. I'm finding myself trying to save energy on NFDs, hopefully my uncinscious need to fail will pass.

New low today, woohoo! 10.0.75...the nines are so close, I can taste them grin. Hopefully hit that after the next fast, either Thurday or Friday!

Broke the fast this morning with 2 slices of white toast with proper butter and mature cheese spread, and a white chocolate cookie. Don't normally have dessert with breakfast, but I'm not snacking so had to fit it in this morning!

fatsatsuma Wed 22-May-13 09:55:24

Well done BreakOutTheKaraoke! I'm hoping to follow in your footsteps this week - have been hovering above 10st for a few weeks now and am looking forward to sliding off this plateau in the 9's grin

Was 10.2.6 on Monday and haven't fasted since last Friday, so am hoping that fasting today and Friday will get things moving again. I know there are a few of us trying to get under the 10st barrier - hello betsybell and others.

What are these squats of which you speak? They sound most uncomfortable, but the question is, will they reduce my enormous bottom??

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 10:02:19

dotty If your knees are sore are you doing it right? Should be sticking your tush right out, getting (or attempting to in my case) thighs parallel with the floor which should, hopefully, stop the pressure on your knees

Yes the token was sweet smile, we've had lots of conversations about fasting, commercial snack advertising/food industry and related stuff too, he's very interested. I must get him out for another run with me over the weekend, it makes for some lovely - and rare - one to one time. And Itsa totally agree, we should give ourselves a nice reward for completing the challenge! I might need a massage after all the exertions!

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 10:05:47

Hello fatsatsuma I'm still bouncing a couple of pounds above the 9s but we'll get there, eventually!

The 30 day squat challenge:

Day 1 - 50 squats
Day 2 - 55 squats
Day 3- 60 squats
Day 4 - Rest
Day 5 - 70 squats
Day 6 - 75 squats
Day 7 - 80 squats
Day 8 - Rest
Day 9- 100 squats
Day 10 - 105 squats
Day 11 - 110 squats
Day 12 - Rest
Day 13 - 130 squats
Day 14 - 135 squats
Day 15 - 140 squats
Day 16 - Rest
Day 17 - 150 squats
Day 18 - 155 squats
Day 19 - 160 squats
Day 20 - Rest
Day 21 - 180 squats
Day 22 - 185 squats
Day 23 - 190 squats
Day 24 - Rest
Day 25 - 220 squats
Day 26 - 225 squats
Day 27 - 230 squats
Day 28 - Rest
Day 29 - 240 squats
Day 30 - 250 squats

I'm on day 7 and bottom is slightly improving. shock Never thought I'd see the day! Try youtube for some squat guidance.

Thank you fatsatsuma! We can do this, kick that 10 in the arse!

CrystalDeCanter Wed 22-May-13 10:23:15

Well done everyone on their mostly amazingly impressive weight losses.

It's my first day at fasting today and due to timezone differences its almost dinner time.

I'd just like to ask those more experienced at this, does the fasting affect your sleeping? I'm really hungry but it's only 7pm, if you eat your teeny weeny dinner now do you wake up hungry in the night or do you eat later than normal in the hope that you stay fuller longer?

Also is it ok to fast on two consecutive days? I'm going to a comedy show on Friday so would like to go there without a hungry headache, Sat we're staying with friends - could do Sunday I spose, but then I wanted to fast Monday . . . Any thoughts?

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 10:28:30

Crystal The sleeping issues should get better after a few weeks. I sleep like a bay after fast days now (and I eat at 6 so I'm not full at bedtime) but the first 3 weeks I barely slept at all but weirdly felt absolutely fine on it.

I've never done a consecutive fast but lots do so it's definitely ok! But if I were you I'd just hold off and fast a couple of times next week - it's a lovely flexible WOE!

Missed your post Karaoke! Hey well done smile

virginposter Wed 22-May-13 10:32:29

Crystal i save all my calories for 1 meal in the evening which I eat as late as I can (between 7-8) and therefore am still fullish when I go to bed. I've been doing this right from the start and always have a good nights sleep on fast days smile

wondering and miffy and karaoke you're doing great!

crystal chuck loads of veggies or salad on your dinner, then it won't be teeny weeny!

Fast day for me today, good job too since I slept late and didn't have time to do anything more than grab a can of soup as I passed the kitchen on my way out of the door.

Dotty342kids Wed 22-May-13 10:48:25

Betsy, yes, my tush is definitely "out the back door" when doing squats. I can see my reflection in a glass door when doing them so know it's a decent technique. Think it might just be exacerbating a bit of a weakness in them as get twinges in them from time to time anyway sad
Of course, it's not helping having to miss out the rest days but I'm really trying to avoid having to do them whilst in Marrakech next week where we'll be busy doing stuff and it'll be very hot!

CrystalDeCanter Wed 22-May-13 10:50:44

Thank you Betsy, Virgin and Postpanpatscat. Interesting range of views. I'll eat a mass of veggies with my 1/2 doz prawns and see how I go.

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 10:55:38

dotty I asked as I realised I'd been doing them completely wrong until a few months ago blush My knees do creak alarmingly though! Yes, you're probably overdoing it but for a totally understandable reason - bikini body grin. Very envy at Marrakech holiday and don't you dare do boring old squats while you're away!

Ooh, brunch time at last - planning a big one as no more food until 6pm today, baked beans on toast, maybe an egg too (NFD NoS day!)

Dotty342kids Wed 22-May-13 10:56:54

Thanks for suggestion though Betsy and I'm still a long way off a bikini body - it's just something some of my zumba friends and I thought we'd give a go, though we're regretting it slightly now grin

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 10:58:21

Crystal Yes I always have a huge plateful of food on fast day - lean protein and masses of salad and veg - lime juice, fresh ginger and chillies go an awful long way to pep up the greens and leaves... I try and pack in as much nutrition for my 500 calories as possible, as a challenge and so I don't have to take vitamin supplements.

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 11:01:27

Also Crystal prawns are really low calorie so you can have more than 6!

NoWayNoHow Wed 22-May-13 11:04:08

Also trying to beat the 10st mark - what is it about that weight that wants to kick us in the teeth?

Did a cheeky weigh this morning and have lost 1lb, which is encouraging seeing as I only started this WOE yesterday, and even more encouraging based on how much wine I drank what I had over the weekend.

As a newbie, would you mind letting me know how you all spend your NFDs? Do you still calorie count? If not, how do you manage what you're eating, and do you still lose? If so, do you count to your TDEE, or another benchmark? Do you make a distinction between weekends and weekdays at all? (I only ask as I'm very much a weekend eater/drinker and weekday saint - normally!)

Sorry for all the questions, just really interested to hear how this works for all of you and what you all do differently!

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 11:10:51

noway I don't calorie count but I do keep a food diary so I've got an accurate visual to see how I've been eating. Like you I keep it modest over the week but indulge a bit more at the weekend - always look forward to that Monday fast!

Miffytastic Wed 22-May-13 11:23:52

Ah thanks folks smile

Dotty - Caroline/Caroess over there did some maths and approximated my TDEE based on my loss over time (and it was more like 1700 than 1900 that I was using). So that suyggestion, combined with the encouragement there & here to track a bit more on MFP, has worked a I think

NoWay I am roughly tracking on MFP-ing all week for the last two weeks. Some days (weekends!) I forget and guess the next day, but I like the overall graph you can see across the week, it keeps things in balance, which is what this WOE is all about.

BTW, I came across this tumblr/blog the other day, I have never had hearts of palm, so will be trying that salad. Last night's tea was roasted artichoke hearts, a poached egg and a bistro salad, inspired by this

http://5-2veg.tumblr.com/

Dotty342kids Wed 22-May-13 11:26:04

NoWayNoHow to start with I used MyFitnessPal to help me keep a track on my daily NFD calorie intake and that worked really well. Then I stopped using it as I got used to what 2000 cals vaguely "looked like". Over the last few weeks however, my naughty chocolate demon has reared its head again and I've become aware that I've probably been going over my TDEE on non fasting days. Also, as I've lost weight I've had to readjust how many calories I should be having on a NFD so I'm back to using MFP again for a while to help me make sure I'm not going over that too much.
I tend to be fairly "good" during the week and stick to TDEE or thereabouts but I definitely relax on a Fri night / Sat smile and rely on my Monday fast to bring me back on track. I think of that one as offsetting any damage done by the weekend and my Thursday fast as the one that produces a little bit of weight loss!

Dotty342kids Wed 22-May-13 11:27:40

miffy, that's interesting as that's exactly what mine has gone down to! Started at about 1900 cals per day and now, 10lbs lighter, I have just under 1700 per day to play with. Seems very unfair that the slimmer you get, the less you can eat but never mind smile

ChesterDrawers Wed 22-May-13 11:31:52

Oh god. I get chocolates delivered once a month, to nibble on now and then inhale in one sitting and they've only gone and arrived today when I am fasting.

I can have them tomorrow, I can have them tomorrow, I can have them tomorrow...

Itsaboatjack Wed 22-May-13 12:09:57

Oh dear chesterdrawers hide them somewhere now.

noway I eat to my TDEE (1600) most days, don't eat back exercise cals, log everything on MFP and if I want an eat-whatever-I-like day, I'll have one! Have to admit though that there's only about one of those a fortnight, but with half term next week there will be many more!

dotty Marrakech sounds fab! Wet windy west country for me.

MummyPigsFatTummy Wed 22-May-13 13:37:44

As a newbie (first fast yesterday) can I ask a question please, which I saw asked but not answered on Michael's Moser's site. I have hypothyroidism and am on HRT. I am also getting on a bit. It seems probable that I may also have a low metabolic rate compared with other people of my age and weight. Do you know whether that needs to be taken into account on fast days or should 500 cals still work? I dread to think how I would manage on any less but I do want to lose weight.

Oh my god I have the raging hunger still today. Its a feast day and all but I'm sure that doesn't mean eat constantly and never be full. WTH???
Am trying to channel all my fast day techniques into ignoring it. Have treated myself with a Cadbury's hot choc and thats at least satisfied me a bit.

mummypig I'm no expert but I'd guess that may mean you may not lose as quickly. Could be totally wrong.

spababe Wed 22-May-13 14:23:55

I did my first FD yesterday and don't seem to want so much to eat today as I normally do. Is this to be expected and will it continue as I do more FD's?

MummyPigsFatTummy Wed 22-May-13 14:46:32

I am afraid you may be right, Eagle. That is what is bothering me. I will just have to cross my fingers and hope for the best. I can't go below 500 calories. I will try not to go mad on NFDs.

awomanchanging Wed 22-May-13 14:54:03

spababe it has happened to me as well. I'm on day 5 I did 2 consecutive fasts and since then my hunger seems suppressed. Which I have no problem with. Usually after a morning workout I'm veryyy hungry. But now I'm fine and dont even feel like eating. But i eat anyways to feed my muscles.

awomanchanging Wed 22-May-13 14:55:39

mummy yes slower metabolism means slower process of breaking down fat and losing weight. But you could do everything right to still be efficient as possible.

fastyspeedyfast Wed 22-May-13 15:02:43

mummypigs I'm also hypothyroid, though not on HRT. Honestly, I'd see your GP. I've been doing this for 7 weeks and have lost roughly half a pound/week. To me, this is good going. You know how sensitive those thyroid med adjustments are! So go in for a check on your levels and tell them you're doing 5:2.

MummyPigsFatTummy Wed 22-May-13 15:33:51

Good idea Fasty. I will do that. I ran out of meds a little while ago and stupidly didn't restock in time for yesterday's first fast, which may affect my results. I need a blood test anyway so will see if GP will do a more thorough check. Glad to hear you are succeeding smile

spababe Wed 22-May-13 15:49:28

thank you to everyone who has repllied to my questions so far

virginposter Wed 22-May-13 16:16:52

MummyPigs I am also getting on a bit (59) and on HRT and have lost 30lbs since this time last year - hooray! So there is no reason on these two counts why you should not lose too grin

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 16:23:26

Mustnotsnackmustnotsnackmustnotsnack [drinks tea]

MummyPigsFatTummy Wed 22-May-13 16:30:57

virginposter - brilliant smile. All these posts are so encouraging! Second fast day tomorrow so will make sure to take thyroid meds tonight so I don't sabotage myself that way.

Emilythornesbff Wed 22-May-13 17:25:54

Shit!
Probably should be kicked out of the no snackers club for those bastard chocolate hob nobs (bought by dh. I never buy stuff like that [sob])

<don't tell TIP>

Fasting tomorrow.

ELR Wed 22-May-13 17:27:15

Well I've kind of failed at the no snack sort of! Kids had a swimming gala this afternoon and when it finished me and a few other mums went to the pub so I had a glass if Pinot, just to be sociable! And I've had an early tea to stop snacking even though I had a late breakfast and lunch.
Got a really rubbish cold so that may be something to do with it, it wasn't the best dinner either fish fingers, oven chips and corn on the cob! Really couldn't face cooking as feel so rough. Off to take kids to their tennis lesson now so won't be back home till 7.20pm then I will have a cuppa and an early night I think. DH can get his own tea!

Emilythornesbff Wed 22-May-13 17:30:44

Well done virginposter

SkylerWhite Wed 22-May-13 17:52:48

I've been lurking for a while, and have finally summoned up the courage to post...

I've been dabbling with 5:2 for a while, and finally decided to give it a proper go over the next few months. I have a normal BMI (5'4" and 9 stone) but would like to lost about half a stone and generally tone up. So I'm trying to combine it with exercise, doing JM Ripped in 30 every day, and running 3 miles on the non-fast days. Taking 1 day exercise free a week as well.

How long is it before you generally see any results? I haven't seen the scale shift at all - actually that's not true, I've seen it shift in the opposite direction this week - gained 2 lbs, which I am hoping is just sore muscles retaining water!

I fasted Monday, and again today, and am considering making today a zero calorie fast, as I seem to have gotten past the hunger pangs of 3pm. Would that be a good idea to try and kick-start the weight loss?

So I walked home from work as usual....

....and when I got home I saw the empty space on my driveway where the car should have been...

...and then I remembered that I drove to work this morning so I had to walk back to work to fetch the car!!!

Maybe today's fast had addled my brain (so much for reducing the risk of senility!)

Oh no ppc

Prawntoast Wed 22-May-13 18:14:41

dotty re your knee pains and squats, make sure your knees do not go over your toes as you lower into the squat, this is what will put the most strain on your knees.

Good losses everyone, I'm hoping to join you in the 9's by Friday.

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 18:34:03

[dons NO SNACKING halo]

Dinner is eaten and I have passed through the snack danger zone unscathed grin

shakes head and tuts at ELR and Emilytsbff

PPC Apologies but that made me actually LOL, and just think lots of lovely extra exercise and calories burnt!

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 18:37:18

Skylar Hmm, sounds like you're putting in plenty of effort - it's not clear how long you've been fasting & exercising though - have you just started this week? Have you been eating to your TDEE on non fast days?

Prawntoast Wed 22-May-13 18:40:04

hi skyler, if you don't feel hungry go for it. I did my first zero cal 36 hour fast last week, wasn't planning on it but came back from a bike ride and just didn't feel hungry. What I like about this WOE is the better reading of when I'm hungry and when I'm not. If I'm not hungry I don't eat.

SkylerWhite Wed 22-May-13 18:45:26

BetsyBell I've been doing it for 2 weeks, although have only added in the JM since the weekend.

Hunger pangs have started again Prawntoast so perhaps I'd better eat something when my DH gets home. Speaking of prawns, I was thinking of making Nigel Slater's prawn noodle soup, which I think should be about 300 calories per portion. Might have to rustle up something supplementary for my poor DH, he'll be wasting away!

Prawntoast Wed 22-May-13 18:51:26

skyler, if your muscles are sore from JM and mine are when I do any of her workouts it may well be your muscles retaining some water. I did a lot of JM workouts last year and found that the scales didn't budge that much but I lost inches, I'd measure yourself as although the scales may not budge much you will still decrease in size!

Dotty342kids Wed 22-May-13 18:51:54

Thanks prawn, no, have been making sure that knees, toes etc are all in the correct places when doing squats smile. Broke the 180 down into chunks of 20 today and that seemed to ease the knee issue so think that'll be the way forward from now on!

Just had enormous pile of vegetables with my veggie pie for dinner tonight and feel well and truly stuffed now but at least it was only about 600 cals all in and it should help keep my tummy happy for most of tomorrow morning. Although tomorrow's a NFD (as DH wanted to fast Friday instead of Thursday this week) I have got a really busy end of the day and may struggle to get a cooked dinner in. So, plan is to make a nice chilli in the morning and eat it at about 2pm tomorrow. Then can grab a quick sandwich for tea if I need one and then it's Fast Friday....

SkylerWhite Wed 22-May-13 18:55:03

Thanks prawn. Today's workout - day 4 - was the first one I managed to do without pausing the video, so I'm hoping this might mean that I've broken through my body's outrage at so much torture! Did you find the JM workouts worthwhile, in the end?

Prawntoast Wed 22-May-13 19:01:08

skyler, I think JM's workouts are definitely worthwhile, I did lose inches and my overall fitness increased. What I didn't do is combine it with eating less! Now I have this WOE, I use a mixture of her workouts plus cycling to keep fit. I prefer her longer workouts, Banish Fat Boost Metabolism and No More Trouble Zones - especially the latter, my arms scream after that one. If you haven't already found it, there is a JM thread in this topic somewhere, some seriously hardcore JM fans on there.

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 22-May-13 19:50:45

Have to highly recommend the Glorious Tuscan Chicken and Orzo soup. I've tried quite a few of the fresh supermarket soups now (my favourites have been Covent Garden's Best Vegetable and their Potato and Leek) and this is going to be a new fave.

240 calories for the carton. Lots of veg, not a lot of chicken or orzo but that's what you'd expect for the calories. Very good flavour!

evening.

<waves to fast twins and eggs them on>

well today was to be a fast and it went well all day but had some emotional events this evening and feel wiped out and now have oven chips and scampi in the oven. will still be a relatively low cal day and i have had a long zero fast. had a bit of a cry and felt wrung out and in need of food to earth me. hope it will do the trick.

perfectionism is death to all endeavours ime so if this is to be a wol rather than a flash in the pan i have to roll with days that it doesn't work out and not beat myself.

hope everyone is doing well x

Dotty342kids Wed 22-May-13 20:04:29

I've had that one before I started 5:2 greeneggs, it's really nice I agree! Had forgotten that those would be fast day friendly - excellent!

saf wave coming back atcha! Sorry to hear you've had an emotional evening, hope things are ok now? Hope things are better for you tomorrow.

BsshBossh Wed 22-May-13 20:07:22

<dreams of scampi>

Another successful no snacking day.

EstoyAqui Wed 22-May-13 20:08:47

SAF sorry to hear you have had a bad day. I think you are right though, this is a long term WOL so it needs to be adaptable to how we feel at that moment.

PPC I laughed at the car thing. Maybe your brain is trying to help with the weight loss ;)

I've had my weigh in this week. 71.9 - that's another 1.7kgs off or 3.7lbs. I went clothes shopping today and actually felt good about trying things on. smile I don't weigh myself over school holidays so it will be a two week wait for me. I'm hoping to be in the 60s when I weigh in a fortnight. As long as I keep busy over half term it should be possible.

i'm fine - thank you. just had something happen that made me kick off into fight or flight/end of the world drama lama mode but have fortunately managed to come back down to earth. scampi and fries was lovely! if i can get the chickens to go to bed i will be off to my own so hopefully no more calorific damage tonight.

EstoyAqui Wed 22-May-13 20:13:23

Sausage fingers 1.9kgs or 3.7lbs.

YoniFoolsAndHorses Wed 22-May-13 20:16:46

I have two questions, if anyone can help at all?

- Firstly, why am I losing weight (not muscle, I am sure, as I continue to exercise the same and feel fitter if anything) but I am NOT losing belly fat :-( This is what I want and need to lose!! I have been following this WOL now for nearly 8 weeks, and no fat loss at all around my stomach, even though I am 10lbs lighter.

- Secondly, after 6 weeks I started doing water only fasts and not eating at all until the following day, just lots of water and mint tea. But are 3 days of this too much to do each week? Should I only do two of them? I am doing 4/3 rather than 5/2.

If anyone can help at all that would be lovely. I feel really depressed about my fatty stomach! I do running, tennis and a abs and back class weekly.

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 20:25:52

((((saf))))

I like the term 'drama llama' smile

YoniFools I know my thighs are the last place my fat goes from - it is going now but after all the other places (back, boobs, waist, hands, feet...!) so I'm guessing you're an 'apple' to my 'pear' and if you persevere it will go from your belly. Well done on 10lbs so far smile

YoniFoolsAndHorses Wed 22-May-13 20:32:07

betsybell Thank you! I am, indeed, a definite apple shape and have very little hips at all (when skinnier in the past, very much straight up and down). But now my boobs are massive (also not losing from them) and my stomach hangs over the top of my jeans. Sigh.

You're right. I probably just need to stick with it longer. If the weight has been fat loss from around my bodily organs, then at least it's been worthwhile health wise so far!!

plecofjustice Wed 22-May-13 20:36:28

Hi Yoni,

Are you doing any other ab exercises as well as the abs class? A burst of ab-work, particularly with the fasting probably isn't enough to build them up. Maybe doing 10 situps a day and 30 seconds of plank?

YoniFoolsAndHorses Wed 22-May-13 20:50:43

pleco No, I'm not actually. I have an abs wheel today that I ordered, and I am planning on doing a bit tonight. My abs are weak after a few pregnancies. I am already doing pelvic floor exercises each day though.

Thank you. All spurs onwards very very welcome as I was feeling quite disheartened!

awomanchanging Wed 22-May-13 20:51:19

yoni unfortunately we cant spot reduce but you can try doing more core exercises

awomanchanging Wed 22-May-13 20:52:17

yoni unfortunately we cant spot reduce but you can try doing more core exercises

awomanchanging Wed 22-May-13 20:55:14

Ugh double post! betsy i'm a pear too and it is so frustrating!! I have fat on my knees that need to go! Do you have this problem?

Theyre definitely shrinking but I'd be comfortable wearing shorts etc if they were flabby.

ceebeegeebies Wed 22-May-13 20:58:19

Evening

Supermarket soups are my Fast Day staples as I really can be arsed cooking in the evenings on fast days so a carton of soup does the trick for one meal. Tend to get the Covent Garden ones although I have carrot and coriander one for tomorrow and I am really not keen on it so not exactly looking forward to it. I am going to leave it until I am so hungry, I would eat anything grin

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 21:04:47

awomanchanging I've lost so much weight now that it's just thighs and bum left. I tell you what though, since the fat went from my knees it's uncomfortable at night when I'm curled up with knees together - a problem I never would have thought of!

Sadly I have an awful set of varicose veins on one leg so I have to keep them covered up even though they're starting to be a nice shape [pouty face]

On the subject of ready made soups I really like the Sainsbury's Meal soup pots (tried arrabbiata and chicken balti so far) - 230ish calories and really filling, thick and tasty.

ELR Wed 22-May-13 21:09:22

greeneggs that soup is one of my fast day staples usually have 500g of it for lunch so only 200cals then DH has one and my spare 100g. The butternut squash one is also nice and comes in at 208 cals for the whole tub. They are £1.50 in sainsbury at the minute too.
betsy I've failed again and just had 2 slices of peanut butter on toast I feel so rough I needed some comfort food! Still pleased I didn't snack in the day though well apart from the wine!
saf sorry you've had a bad day, but as they say tomorrow's another day!

spababe Wed 22-May-13 21:18:01

Yoni, I'm no expert on this but I've heard the weight loss on 4:3 is the same as on 5:2 and I wonder if this is because a person's metabolism drops on 3 days of fasting and this cancels out the 3rd day if you see what I mean.
I guess one of the reasons 5:2 works is because the fluctuation in daily calories keeps the body guessing and thus the metabolism stays up??

My favourite fast day soup is New York Skinny Butternut Squash, the whole tub is 180 cals. I get it in Tesco.

Today though was Heinz Lentil soup, a big pot of Greek fat-free yogurt, a box of blueberries and a Frusli bar. 492 cals, job done smile

saf hope the world looks better tomorrow.

DeckSwabber Wed 22-May-13 21:25:22

Today I have been mostly eating cake. blush.

akarucker Wed 22-May-13 21:31:26

Oh my goodness...I've missed so much! I went away for a few days, and there was no Internet access. It's just taken me over an hour to catch up!

I really missed the support on here. I went bonkers on a holiday mindset eating frenzy, and now truly regretting it, and suffering horribly on a fast day today. I could have done with logging onto here, to keep me on track. Didn't dare weigh myself this morning, but hopefully a fast today will shed some of the million calories I consumed in three days,

Welcome to the new posters who have appeared over the last few days. Love having lots of people on here for support.

I seem to also have missed the NO SNACKING pledge. Sounds much nicer than the NO SUGAR pledge we took a few weeks ago. I think I'll jump on this bandwagon too, but probably just until the end of the week, then take a break for half term. So I'm with those if you doing it! So you're saying I can have my chocolate, it's just a question of when I have my chocolate? That sounds doable.

Urgh, be warned, fasting is harder after days of eating absolute crap! Not pleasant at all. Must. Try. And. Learn. From. This.

BetsyBell Wed 22-May-13 21:38:02

aka! I missed you! Did you enjoy the eating frenzy at the time at least? Or did you get that bellyache thing where your body is saying 'no more' but your crazy brain says MOAR FUD NOWWWWW

The NO SNACKING is a lot nicer than the no sugar thing actually - you just have to remember to eat the snack item ('pudding') straight after your meal! And I reckon by the end of the week I'll have kicked the 4pm snackattack cravings in the butt grin

Good luck getting back on the wagon, it's not easy after a few days of stuffing your face relaxing. wink

Itsaboatjack Wed 22-May-13 21:41:14

Sorry you've had a rubbish day saf, I hope tomorrow is better.

Welcome back aka, hope you enjoyed your days away. Don't regret what's already done, jump straight back in and you'll soon be back on track.

Another FD done, feeling munchy though so distracting myself laughing at the fools on the Apprentice.

awomanchanging Wed 22-May-13 21:55:41

betsy for me my stmoach is flatter, last back crease is disappearing. All thats left is a bit of flab on my triceps and the flab on my knees. Its summer time here in San Antonio tx, 90s all this week and its miserable wearing jeans. I've been doing leg exercises so I'm hoping they shrink down to normal asap! Hopefully all the weight I lose will be from there as it seems that my arm and knee fat were the first to come and now last to go.

akarucker Wed 22-May-13 21:59:46

bvb I loved the first day of eating (and when I say eating, I mean stuffing my face faster than the food can reach my mouth). Enjoyed every moment. By day two, it was not so nice, and I wasn't enjoying the food as much. That would have been the time to log on here for a reality check. By day three, I was just so excited for it to end, that I couldn't wait for day four, to be back home to fast. Now of course, I'm just bloody starving and suffering the consequences.

Stil, itsa you're right, just jumping back on and back on track. Much better than the old days, where I would have thought, 'well, I've blown it for May, better wait until June...' There will be no loss this week, but love that this WOL enables you to get back on track pretty quickly.

BTW, ppc as I was reading your post about your car, I was taking a sip of licorice tea, and promptly snorted it through up into my nose, and out onto my iPhone! It's just the sort of thing I would do!

OK, I think I've made up my lack of posts with enough warbling. So excited for my breakfast. Don't think I've ever been so excited for a meal.

Oh, and one last thing. Took my little puppy with me, and he got scared walking along a busy road, so I carried him. After about 1/4 mile, I was exhausted because he was getting too heavy and had to put him down to walk. Weighed him when we got home. He weight ONE STONE, which is what I've lost (give or take..probably give after this last week), and I struggled to carry his weight for just a few hundred yards. I think that can count as a NSV!!! A puppy induced NSV!

awomanchanging Wed 22-May-13 21:59:48

spababe interesting logic about 5:2 vs 4:3. Never thought about that.

awomanchanging Wed 22-May-13 22:01:53

Has anyone had 2 consecutive fasts then 5 nfd and on day 8 still have lost weight? Although I know this is rather silly just wanted to know if there were any disadvantages, weight wise, to keep your fasts non consecutive.

BsshBossh Wed 22-May-13 22:42:53

yoni my tummy is my most problematic area re flab. I've lost nearly 5 stones yet my tummy only started significantly reducing as I lost the last 1.5 stones.

agteacht Wed 22-May-13 23:03:20

Day 3... done! Not as bad as I thought either. Excited to see the scales tomorrow. Come on the 9s, I can so nearly see you! X

Endofmyfeather Thu 23-May-13 01:11:11

yoni I'm another apple shape. I've lost most of my weight so far (about 17lbs) from my legs and bum (and other obscure places!), and very little from my tummy. It's annoying as in a way it's making me look a bit worse than before as I'm out of proportion now and it sort of emphasises my stomach area. It's gotta go at some point though, we just have to keep the faith!

After a crazily indulgent weekend (long weekend here in west coast Canada), I had put on 5.5lbs shock but happy to say after my first fast of the week I lost 4 of them. Phew!

I think of myself with betsy and fatsatuma - bouncing around the 10st mark (briefly glimpsed 9stone 13.8 last week!). I'll join you on the no snacking if that's ok!