The 5:2 Diet Thread number 19! Cup of tea? or three?

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GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 08-May-13 13:17:38

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

Sunshine78 Wed 08-May-13 13:24:32

Thats a surprise I'm first!!

Been good today and trying to eat healthy on my nfd - avoided the chocolate bar calling me and went for small pack of nuts instead!

EarlGreyTeabag Wed 08-May-13 13:44:07

This new thread is great timing for me as I'm just starting the 5:2 plan & could use some support.

I'll read through all the resources above & pop back in later smile

Anyone dealt with being ill on this woe? I've done so well over the last 3 weeks but now the lurgy has caught oiur household and I just want to comfort eat. I really don't want to undo all my good work with tubs of Pringles and donuts!!!

ELR Wed 08-May-13 14:26:41

Hi just marking my place, thanks greeneggs.

Well today is an eating day and I'm trying to be a little more mindful of what I eat. I've got a job interview next week and want to fit into a pair of trousers I've got which I like. I've just tried them on and they fit perfectly so by next Tuesday I want them to be the same or slightly looser! I bought them in October 2011 with the intention of slimming into them!! I've worn them once when I'd lost a few pounds but they were still quite tight.

Even though I fasted yesterday I dd not weigh this morning I'm waiting ill after Thursdays fast as had such an indulgent weekend I don't want to see any gains on the scale even if its only a bounce!!

Dotty342kids Wed 08-May-13 14:26:44

Thanks as always greeneggs! Hope you're doing ok too?

greenfig Wed 08-May-13 14:31:28

Hi all! Welcome to all new starters, well done to all with losses & ppc for getting to goal!
I'm still hovering around 9. 5 but hopeful that I'm not going to bounce back up to 9.7 now, fingers xed.
Fasting today & it is really easy.
Eagle I wouldn't fast whilst ill personally but would steer away from donuts & pringles too! Is there nothing else that you fancy? Baked potato or chicken soup would be my poorly day food. At least be confident that any gain can't possibly be all fat so will come off again quite easily smile

INeedThatForkOff Wed 08-May-13 14:34:36

I'm going to start within the next couple of days. Just reading up and watching the Horizon programme.

virginposter Wed 08-May-13 14:38:06

greeneggs thanks

Kendodd Wed 08-May-13 14:43:41

Hi!

Can I just say, I love you 5:2! I have lost a stone and have found it really easy, I think I could keep this up for the rest of my life. The way I look at it on my fast days, if I'm longing for a biscuit, well I can have one tomorrow, unlike other diets were I can never eat a biscuit again in my life!

MeNeedShoes Wed 08-May-13 14:45:58

Marking place. And yes Ken I found myself automatically thinking I can have it tomorrow when I saw a nice bun sitting on the kitchen counter earlier smile

Theyoniwayisnorthwards Wed 08-May-13 14:50:39

Hello I'm new! DP and I are both starting 5:2 tomorrow. I've wanted to try this for a while but as I'm breastfeeding I felt I should wait until baby was 6 months and we began weaning.

frenchfancy Wed 08-May-13 14:55:48

Thanks again Greeneggs. Welcome Theyoni

BsshBossh Wed 08-May-13 15:05:01

Thanks Greeneggs as usual you are on the ball. And loads of new starters too - woohoo! Welcome everyone. I've lost 20 lbs in 14 weeks doing 5:2 (66 lbs in total since February last year) and have hit target weight. It really works. Just keep on going through the stalls and gains that always tend to happen.

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 08-May-13 15:16:58

I am Dotty, thanks! smile I've had far too many nights out and BBQs lately, so I suspect my numbers haven't gone down. However, I've kept up with fast days because this really is a WOL for me.

In fact, I think I'm going to 4:3 this week as I have yet another BBQ coming up and I'd like to get back on track actually losing weight rather than maintaining.

Also, I need to find our scales. grin We moved house, are decorating and loads of boxes are still packed so we can move things around easily. I've literally no idea where they could be at the moment.

I'm really pleased to see so many new people on the threads, helping each other out. thanks I'll be around more myself as I try to re-focus a bit!

Fast day yesterday for me, stayed the same this morning, which was annoying, but I'm putting it down to not eating til half 9 last night, when I got in from work.

NFD today, was really low on calories anyway as not particularly hungry, until I walked in my door, smelt the chicken I had cooking in the slow cooker all day, and needed food NOW! So 4 mini muffins disappeared. Hey ho.

Emilythornesbff Wed 08-May-13 15:39:18

Thanks greeneggs
Fasting day today. Not a total fast as I had milk in a coffee this morning and just had half an apple but I am doing 4:3 this week and just been to the gym (thanks dh for watching babythorne for an hour).
meneedshoes I often forget to drink enough so I fill a water bottle a couple of ime a day and try to have a few mugs of herbal tea too. The only time I get really thirsty is if the bottle is out if reach grin

Oh glory be. I had forgotten how good the gym feels. Wish I had the time to do that every day.

Thanks greenfig for congrats and greeneggs for new thread. I never thought I'd get to goal on #18 so I hope many more of you do the same while we're on #19!

I've reached the 'I don't care if I never eat again' point of my fast day...it usually hits about this time when I've survived no breakfast and no lunch so dinner starts to seem a bit pointless! I'm off to the gym while DD is at rugby training tonight but won't go too mad due to no food all day. However, I told myself to take it easy on Sunday and ending up burning over 800 cals!

Does anyone else have that feeling of 'I want food but I don't know what' at times? Sometimes now I look in the fridge and freezer and cupboards and I cannot find anything I want to eat even though there is plenty to choose from. I think my appetite has been retrained by 5:2.

ELR Wed 08-May-13 16:04:40

postman I know just what you mean! I usually just end up having a banana or glass of water! It's funny you want something but you don't quite know what!

greenfig I hadn't even thought about not fasting on my next fast day - I'm really glad you said that. Unfortunately they've always been my go to comfort foods blush, I've decided to have some popcorn and some naughty skin from the chickens I've just roasted. Am now making a load of broth with the carcasses so may have some of that every time I feel the hankering to dive head first into a pringles tube.

BetsyBell Wed 08-May-13 16:30:06

New thread, thank you Greeneggs, and big welcome to new starters!

On the subject of thirst, I'm starting to think that I should force myself to drink a pint of water or weak squash when I get back home at 4pm - this is my snack dangerzone and I know categorically that I am actually thirsty but instead reach for the nuts & dried fruits. Even now, I have left my pint of squash on the draining board and sat down with the laptop and a dish of nuts! Must retrain myself.

NFD (non fast day noobs!) today and am trying not to go nuts (geddit?!) with the eating as I failed to lose anything after yesterday's failed fast but maintained at least so no complaints.

I will stop snacking now, have a decent dinner and aim for a fab fast day tomorrow.

Will go and drink that drink now!

Sunshine78 Wed 08-May-13 17:40:53

Hello newbies, this is my second week and I really have going it easy. Really helps knowing the next day you can eat what you want.

I have surprised myself today as not eaten loads like I thought I would although I think I did push myself to the limit by combining fd with circuit training!

Looking forward to my fd tomorrow then a weekend of eating as I please!

INeedThatForkOff Wed 08-May-13 17:53:48

I've just booked myself a check up at the doctor's next week - cholesterol, blood sugar etc. I think I really need a kick up the bum to make this work. Anyone have any idea how long it might take for results to come back?

NoForkNKnife Wed 08-May-13 18:10:48

Hi Ladies,
Been wanting to start for a while-but I'm breastfeeding. What's the advice with following this and bf? I need to lose 3.5 stone <wails> and I NEED to start now. I've lost all but 10lbs (8 weeks old DD) from this pregnancy, but the rest is left over from the first baby blush.

myjoy Wed 08-May-13 18:37:42

Thanks Greeneggs!

NoFork I would suggest just giving it a try. I started IF in November when DD was 3 months, felt great and saw no effect on milk or her growth. I lost 10 lbs in 6 weeks then got derailed when I moved country. I've just started again, on 2nd fast day, and feel like I have reset my system again. So feeling positive.

I would suggest while you are breastfeeding to focus on nutrients whenever you eat, take a multivitamin for insurance, and drink plenty of fluids. Good luck.

myjoy Wed 08-May-13 18:50:58

Forgot to mention, I am a little haphazard about calories on fast days but I aim for 700 - 750 to allow a little extra for milk production.

Yesterday, I really enjoyed the freedom of planning and cooking a delish pasta dish,with dessert, and not feeling naughty because it was an eating day and today is a fast.

myjoy Wed 08-May-13 18:51:26

Forgot to mention, I am a little haphazard about calories on fast days but I aim for 700 - 750 to allow a little extra for milk production.

Yesterday, I really enjoyed the freedom of planning and cooking a delish pasta dish,with dessert, and not feeling naughty because it was an eating day and today is a fast.

tiredemma Wed 08-May-13 19:25:33

hi all- had an urge to weigh myself this afternoon at work (spurred on by my lovely nursing staff who have hidden all food away from me). On monday i weighed a disgraceful 64.3 kg (I'm only 5ft)- today I weighed 63.4kg which is the lowest I have weighed in weeks- so maybe something is working- I may have lost that weight anyway- who knows- but its certainly given me motivation!

can I just ask on average how many calories you are consuming on your non-diet days? Today I've had 1300 (according to MFP which I LOVE!!)- is this a reasonable amount?

catsrus Wed 08-May-13 19:33:18

I just had an interesting experience. Working in London, just missed a train, not a fast day but only had sensible Pret lunch of around 500 cals. Decided to eat out at Yo Sushi while waiting for train.

Large glass of wine, Miso soup and whatever I fancied from the dishes on the belt. I had edamame beans, the seaweed salad the tofu and the salmon. I STOPPED EATING BECAUSE I WAS FULL. That is such a NSV for me grin - even with the large glass of wine I recognised "full".

There was a woman next to me who had 9 dishes - I watched her just picking them off one by one. I am not that kind of person anymore - I recognise "full". For me that is the triumph of this WOE - its taught me what hunger really is and to listen to my stomach. I didn't eat through boredom or because of the wine - I ate what I wanted and then stopped. I gave myself full permission for more - even pudding if I wanted it - but I did not want it. Result grin

Emilythornesbff Wed 08-May-13 20:12:04

Yay catsrus

emma ideally you should set MFP to maintenance, then you'll end up with the right number of calories per day. the deficit is gained through fasting not daily calorie restriction so you can safely eat more i think. Mine is 1600 at 55.3kg with a lightly active activity level.

ceebeegeebies Wed 08-May-13 20:28:49

Just bookmarking. Will try and catch up now

ceebeegeebies Wed 08-May-13 20:50:46

just posted this on the other thread by accident blush

Am I the only one who is still a greedy pig on my NFDs?? you all keep posting about how you don't fancy stuff/not hungry etc and I haven't noticed a difference at all. I will still reach for chocolate/sweets etc

Fast day yesterday , and on a day off for the first time .

The house has never been so clean and the ironing basket is empty for the first time in its life !

Drank loads of tap water , herb tea and black coffee , had tomato salad for lunch and homemade courgette soup for dinner , followed by a low fat yoghurt and some grapes .

Very tired and headachy last night , and absolutely shattered today , but I am having a food day today , and fasting again tomorrow .

Southeastdweller Wed 08-May-13 21:03:51

Thanks as always to greeneggs. Looking forward to hearing more from you.

Welcome to all newbies. This WOL is seriously life-changing!

catsrus I know exactly what you mean. I gave up all hope of having my appetite reset before starting 5:2. The weight loss is secondary to this.

NoForkNKnife Wed 08-May-13 21:15:25

Thanks, myjoy.
Good tip regarding fasting calories. I'm going to aim to fast tomorrow. Quite excited to be finally doing something!

CountryMama Wed 08-May-13 21:22:55

Hi everyone, may I join?

I started this last week as I found all the information about this diet compelling. I am 34 and have just had 3 babies in quick succession... So have maybe 2 st to loose (11st 9).... But more than that I really want to be fit, healthy and happy for my munchkins.

I have fasted twice and found it easy. I even ran 5 miles on my first fast day. I am eating a lot on nfd's which I need to change I guess.

I am excited to get going and really do this well.

This thread had already been really encouraging. I can't believe how well this diet has worked for so many people. Thank you all for contributing.

mttum Wed 08-May-13 21:51:05

Oops, had a fast day by mistake today! I've been away from home for a couple of nights and the travelodge I was staying at didn't do breakfast. Then too busy at work to go and get lunch, and by the time I finished I thought, "well, may as well carry on for the rest of the evening now." It helped that I had a 4 hour drive home, and DD had already eaten with her grandad so no cooking needed to be done. Made sure I had an early night though, to avoid temptation.

Now the dilemma is whether to have a fast day tomorrow, as planned originally, or to take an unscheduled NFD. Decision, decisions! Will sleep on it and decide in the morning.

mttum Wed 08-May-13 22:00:19

cbgbs, I do pig out on NFDs at times, like having a lovely Indian meal last night with no restrictions, but I also find myself thinking more about what I do eat on NFDs and trying to eat more healthily without being obsessive. For me the key is to be aware of what I'm eating and make a conscious decision to eat it or not - whether it's "healthy" or "rubbish". Before this WOE I would just open the fridge/cupboard and eat whatever I saw!

I was thinking on the drive home today how much this WOE must annoy the food and diet industries. It brought a big smile to my lips!

akarucker Wed 08-May-13 22:40:39

ceebee I'm also a greedy pig on NFDs, and today was no exception!

BsshBossh Wed 08-May-13 22:54:13

ceebee though my appetite has reduced I still can pig out on NFDs. I need to keep an eye on my eating and if I can't be bothered to (eg weekends) then I moderate on other days. I regularly go well over my TDEE Friday through Sunday but have lost 20 lbs on 5:2.

Talkinpeace Wed 08-May-13 23:07:52

Blimey, thread 19. I feel old!

Welcome new people. Excellent to have you on board.

This way of eating is different from any other diet you will ever have tried because the weight loss is a side effect not the aim.

Those of us who started last summer after watching the programme are still here, not because we are still losing weight but because we are so used to fasting we see no need to stop.

As a long term thing, several of us in the backwater that is the maintainers thread have discovered that fasting two or three times during the week and being good on the other weekdays allows us to be rather decadent at the weekend.

Now you know how those people on the right hand side of the Daily Mail website get away with eating burgers - because they eat our fasting recipes on the other days!

fluffypillow Wed 08-May-13 23:46:46

Hi all smile Had a great fast day yesterday, followed by a totally gorgeous 'eating' day
today grin

Lunch out with DH and DD. Had a cheese and onion toastie and shared a muffin with DD, then had lovley pizza for dinner (on wrap base) followed by beautiful English strawberries, meringue , and thick cream!! All within my TDEE.

I LOVE this WOE. I am never going on a diet again.......yay!!!

6th fast day tomorrow........bring it on grin

Welcome to all new starters, you will love this WOL smile

Good luck to all for tomorrow, eaters and fasters alike.

Tortoiseontheeggshell Thu 09-May-13 00:40:41

Hello new thread! I'm fasting today (it's Thursday morning here) and I'm already hungry. But I'm learning that if I push through the morning, the appetite dwindles down again. Usually Thursday doesn't work for me as a FD, but last week I tried Friday, and it's one of my days at home with the DDs, and by 6pm I would happily have traded one of them in for a G&T. So I'm sticking to work days for now!

ceebeebies, I'm still eating whatever I want on NFDs, but I am starting to find that I am more careful about it. Not so much in terms of calories, but more...making sure that I really want to eat what I want to eat. Last Friday, for example, I really, really craved bread and butter. And noodle soup. And carby things. So on Saturday, when I decided to make lunch, I really thought about exactly what my preferred lunch would be. Having craved bread the whole day before, I wanted a sandwich, but then it had to be a spectacular sandwich. So I made a brie and olive sandwich with loads of salad greens in it, and I was so happy and satisfied that I didn't need to snack in the afternoon at all. I guess beforehand, I would have just made any old thing, but I appreciate food more now because it's sometimes scarce!

I do sometimes still make an evening snack even if I'm not really hungry, just because I want something to nibble with a glass of wine. Have to work on that.

Tortoiseontheeggshell Thu 09-May-13 00:41:55

Emily, what is your spicy chicken broth recipe please? It sounds like the perfect thing to make this evening.

peplum41 Thu 09-May-13 02:47:04

Hello, thanks greeneggs, remembering to sort a new thread out when you've just moved house etc. When you find your scales I'm sure you will get a lovely result.

Well its great to see lots of new names, not going to say hi personally, because when I do they seem to disappear forever!

Also glad to see the return of talkinpeace, I know you're all about the maintenance now, but like to know you're still at it. nurseezza miss your posts too. You remind me of my lurking days.

mtmum your point about the diet/food industry is spot on. I think that's why there's the occasional spurious piece of twaddle in the media about fasting, especially that its not good for women, there hasn't been enough trials, etc. They can do one, I've never felt better. So glad I'm not saddled to weight watchers- have you seen their cheesy adverts where patsy meets other slebs for coffee!

chocupid been there with first not so d h, who left me for the skinny woman over the road less than a year after my dad had died. I could see them sitting on the couch together in her house whenever I went into the kitchen. Oh the memories! Have moved on since, but yes its hard at the time. Wish I'd known about 5:2 then. Could've saved myself from about 3 stone of emotional eating. mumsnet hugs

Emilythornesbff Thu 09-May-13 05:05:12

Hi * tortoise* chicken broth is stock (made from Sunday's carcass and - few bay leaves, onion, clove or whatever I find at the bottom of the fridge grin - skim the stock when it's cold to reduce the fat) or use a stock cube of corse. Then I had a few scraps of chicken, chopped celery, onion, carrot and sometimes a handful of lentils with a couple of goog teaspoons of Harissa spices. It's a bit watery but the veggies give a nice texture, I am addicted to the harrisa spice and it uses up tiny bits of leftover chicken. I haven't checked the calorie content but surely.......

Tortoiseontheeggshell Thu 09-May-13 05:54:53

I have a batch of chicken broth at home, I wonder if it'd be nice with a can of brown lentils, some Indian spices (or, yes, Harissa, YUM), low cal veg and bits of chicken. Thank you, that sounds like a plan! I'll eventually get to the stage where I have a repetoire of a few low cal dinners, but at the moment I'm having to think about them from scratch each time. Which is making me properly hungry. Today is feeling very tough actually, but it's 2.30pm and I think I can white knuckle it through till dinner.

Emilythornesbff Thu 09-May-13 07:03:06

tortoise I can't bear to cook from scratch each time on a FDC, although I can doit for ds and dh, just not for my fasting meal.
I cook a batch of broth (chicken or lentil, usually spicy) every few days when I can be arsed and freeze it in portion sizes.
Last night I rummaged for salad scraps and ate a tiny amount of leftover chicken with some chicory and vinegar for my dinner.
I definitely need an alternative to soup though now the warmer weather's here.
Maybe I'll plan that today as it's aNFD.

Emilythornesbff Thu 09-May-13 07:17:59

NFD today grin. Up at 5:30 (thanks DS) so just had breakfast of sugar free muesli and a cup of tea. Both with skim milk.
No idea what to eat later but I'm ok with that. I no longer fear hunger so if there's nothing I like I can wait until later.
Good luck to all the fasters today.

Morning all smile

First post-goal fast day yesterday led to me dropping another pound, oops! Hopefully a week of NFDs before my next fast will see me end up close to goal rather than another loss.

Good luck Thursday fasters!

BetsyBell Thu 09-May-13 08:40:23

PPC I wouldn't worry, it'll be easy to pop that lb back on with a few eat days! (If you're me anyway!)

I am maintaining well - would be happy to drop another 5lbs but just as happy to stay as I am - but need to tone up. NSV yesterday was seeing some photos of myself from over the weekend and mistaking me for someone else - turns out I really am slim now! Lots of compliments too [basks in warm glow] grin

Managed my first bit of proper exercise for ages and got out for a good run this morning. I'm on a fast day with the result that I'm now hungry and tired though - not great for 8.40 in the morning!

Coffee next then...

frenchfancy Thu 09-May-13 09:24:54

That's great Betsy. I normally avoid cameras like the plague.

Bramblesinafield Thu 09-May-13 09:28:02

Lovely when the good feedback comes and the little realizations - like tightening belts, gappy trousers and, for me, realizing when having time for a rare bath not shower that I wasn't staring at a giant tummy, but a much smaller one! Certainly I can understand what people mean when they say curves are melting as the cake shelf around my middle is more like a fairy cake shelf than a muffin top now.

On my thurs fast. Missed mon due to bh, had such a busy day yesterday that it ended up being around an 800 cal day, so hopefully these two together will maintain the shift. Then no more fasting until Mon.

applegate Thu 09-May-13 09:31:51

Well done Betsy, I am finally losing here-2lb this week! I had been reading all the posts on here from people with large initial losses and I had had just 1lb loss over 3 weeks which was a bit depressing and not hugely motivating, however that was including a birthday and wknd away so suppose its not that bad! Anyway hopefully it will pick up a bit now.
Wishing all of you fasting today a good day.

ELR Thu 09-May-13 09:49:56

Morning everyone, fasting today and feel like I really need it. Have had a bad few days of eating not bad stuff just too much! I was having one of those starving days yesterday where no matter what I ate I still felt hungry! Went over tdee by about 300 so not terrible but if you count the massive eating weekend it's pretty bad.
Just been on a 4 mile bike ride so that may help a bit and have Pilates later too. Drank loads of water but feeling a bit hungry so think I will go and have a black coffee and then do some ironing.

Dotty342kids Thu 09-May-13 09:50:00

brambles I loved your bath comments - I was thinking the exact same the other week. Still a good sized stomach but it's less enormous and it's sort of, softer? Less solid if you know what I mean? Anyway, it's progress! smile

And well done applegate too, it's good to have large losses but I was never like that, but it's been slow and steady and I see no reason to stop so hopefully it'll continue to come off in 1lb or 0.5lb chunks...

BuntCadger Thu 09-May-13 09:59:03

Hi, been on 5-2 since August and now have perfect bmi. Found out I'm pregnant this morning and still bfing 18 m old. I don't want to stop 5-2 as prone to gest diabetes and don't want to pile on weight. Was thinking I could up cal on fast day to 600 cal.

Things to do on a fast day - go to the dentist.

I had to have an old filling replaced, so my mouth will be numb for the rest of the morning I guess.

I tried out the chilli brocoli soup that was in the Grauniad recipes last night - DH wasn't keen, but it's a nice variation from other soups. I've kept the leftovers in the freezer for next week.

Ellliiieee Thu 09-May-13 10:11:26

[Hmm]
hello
Do you mind if I pop my head in?! [Blush]

I've been doing a lot of reading about 5:2 and all the great tips and advice- I've done 1 fast day but I started with 2 eggs on 1 slice toast and then had half a pot glorious soup for lunch and half for tea- bang- 500 calories done- had to go to bed early and did nt sleep well as SO
HUNGRY - next fast I'm going to take your advice and skip bfast - c how far I can make it b4 eat!
I put on weight ds 1&2 but lost it after, the thing that has screwed me is quitting smoking - put on 2 stone- have bouncily lost 1 but this last one going no where/ stuck on me! Anyone else got quit weight?
Serious Q- all the threads I looked over I not seen enuf success stories... I want to make this my new WOL but PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME IT DEF WORKS!!!???
smile
Cheers girls.... X

Bramblesinafield Thu 09-May-13 10:15:17

Ellie, yes! I have lost almost a stone now since feb. give it a go. It's hard to start with but for those it suits its great.

DorisShutt Thu 09-May-13 10:20:30

NFD for me today - and I'm not hungry; I am quite thirsty though. I've done my two FD's for the week, but am seriously contemplating a third tomorrow; primarily because I know that I have a thing next weekend which will be a bit of a blow out in terms of crap food and booze.

Anyone find 4:3 doable?

peplum41 Thu 09-May-13 10:22:49

Ah Congrats buntcadger,flowers wouldn't know what to say about fasting when pregnant, leave that to some one more expert like dr m on his site.( No probably.) How much did you lose and how long did it take to get to BMI goal?

betsy cant believe you didn't recognise yourself in a photo! The last photo I saw of me was when Id just started 5:2 back in feb. Its on my friends phone, she showed it me the other week. I look like a fat witch stood next to a tree, wearing a skirt that was too tight(left zip undone a little),same skirt is now very roomy.

Any one with clothes they want to give away, if you can get to an M&S today, they will give you a £5 voucher, and the donated item goes to Oxfam. Sadly, Ive got to go to bed as at work again tonight. Attempting some sort of mini fast today, which usually involves not eating until about 3, then eating whatever I fancy for the rest of the day. Its the best I can do as cant fast again until next Thursday. I will be huge by then! aaah

BuntCadger Thu 09-May-13 10:26:42

I was 11st2 when I started in August and I'm not 8st 11. Has me eked out since feb, some weeks I'm up a lb and other down

newbiefrugalgal Thu 09-May-13 10:30:45

Hello!
I'm back.
I started this WOL earlier in the year but lost my way. Big fail as that just sounds like a faddy diet! And I know this isn't.
So onto the scales this morning 68.5kg
(10kg more than I would like it!)
I've been to the gym for a thirty min session on the treadmill mixture of jogging and walking and now onto my fast day.
I found I better not eating until dinner time -sipping tea during the day. Partly because my pantry/fridge is never prepared for low cal breakfasts and dinners and also its easier to eat more during the day well for me anyway.
So I'm going to say today is day one and I will promise to myself and the lovely world of mn that I will make it my way of life!

No fasting while pregnant, or still growing.

The science behind fasting is that you dont want to grow new cells, you want your body to repair its existing ones.

But obviously if you're still growing, ie a child, or have a new lfie growing inside you, then making new cells is EXACTLY what you want your body to do.

ChesterDrawers Thu 09-May-13 10:37:07

I've just finished my first week (week starts Thursday for me as that's when I weigh). Did 500 call on Friday and have just broken a 36hr water (and two black coffees) fast now. Was down 2.5lbs this morning on last Thursday, which I am pleased with as I ate what I wanted over the bank hol.

Going for 500 cals on fri and two 36 hr fasts on mon and wed next week so hoping if I can curb my overeating on food days I will see a good loss.

Anyway, just wanted to say hi, I read pretty much the whole of the last thread last night which helped get me through the difficult bits.

MeNeedShoes Thu 09-May-13 10:39:26

Congrats Bunt ! smile I reckon if you upped it to maybe 900- 1000 cals you'd be safe enough? <totally unscientific school of common sense response>

MeNeedShoes Thu 09-May-13 10:41:00

Well did 2 rather half-hearted fasts this week, due largely to circumstances - but seem to be 4lbs down from starting weight - so 2lb a week whilst eating like a greedy piglet on NFD. It's just a weird week - loads of eating out confused

bunt flowers congrats!!! No advice I'm afraid though x

Normally only weigh myself on fast day mornings, but tmi alert off to get mirena inserted so wanted to know my weight in case it affects me. I've lost a stone!!!! Started 19th Apr so only 6 fasts too. I think this woe definitely works if you've a lot to lose (I'm only 15% closer to target weight). I shall celebrate with cake, or a choccie bar!

BetsyBell Thu 09-May-13 10:59:29

Elliiiiieeee Before starting IF I lost 2 stone over the course of 18months by gradually changing up my eating habits and doing more exercising and plateaued around 11stone. I started 5:2 mid Jan and have lost another stone including fat around my post kids tummy that I thought would never shift. I put on weight very easily so this way of eating allows me to maintain easily rather than pile it back on. Most of us find we look forward to fast days after a few days of normal eating - and it does get easier I promise!

Bunt Wow! Congratulations on pregnancy and all that weight loss - very impressive. Not sure about fasting and pregnancy - have you looked up any research into it?

peplum You just made me laugh hard with your fat witch comment grin

FF Me too, I was just loitering near the kids - the main focus of the pictures!

applegate Just think if you hadn't be IFing through those events you'd probably be 5lbs up (I know I would be) so a loss of any kind is a fantastic achievement smile

Brambles It's so great seeing real evidence of changes isn't it? The scales don't quite tell the whole picture do they?

Hungerpangs have been dismissed with masses of hot drinks (black coffee & herbal tea), will be peeing for England this afternoon!

BetsyBell Thu 09-May-13 11:03:39

Eagle Take a couple of ibuprofen before you go - it helps as can be quite painful. I've never found Mirena to have any effect on my weight at all and you don't have to suffer all that hormonal eating and bloating that periods bring - I think my periods got gradually lighter over 6 months then completely stopped. Bliss. In fact I've just realised I haven't had a period in at least 7 years grin

Bunt congrats - but the book is very sepcific in its list of people who shouldn't fast, and if you're pregnant then it's defineitly not recommeded.

NoForkNKnife Thu 09-May-13 11:21:40

Congrats Bunt! I've just had dc2. I don't know anything about this WOE, but my gut says probably not a good idea whilst pregnant. You'd very quickly have ketones in your urine-you get them whilst pregnant even when you skip one meal. It's not great for baby.

First fd ever here. Going well so far, especially since day started at 5am! Haven't had a morsel. Is it best to fast until dinner and use the 500 cals then?

INeedThatForkOff Thu 09-May-13 11:22:28

Is anyone planning their first fast for next Monday? I'm raring to go but holding off as I'm going out on Saturday night and want to make sure I can express plenty of milk before then. Hungry days tend to affect my supply and I'd rather not crack open the formula just yet.

Miffytastic Thu 09-May-13 11:35:38

HELP! I have been doing 5:2 without fail since 1st Feb. My weight loss looks like this:

1/2/13, 10.10
8/2/13, 10.11
15/2/13, 10.9
1/3.13, 10.6
5/3/13, 10.5
15/3/13, 10-3
15/3/13, 10.4.5
22/3/13,10.5
28/3/13, 10.5
7/4/13, 10.6
12/4/13, 10.4.5
21/4/13, 10.4
25/4/13, 10.2.5
2/5/13, 10.3.5
9/2/13, 10.3.25

As you can see I have barely lost any weight for nine weeks. I mean I have becauseI went up a bit after Easter but. URGH, I really really want to be about 7lbs less, which would mean a comfortable size 12 (not a-can't-sit-down-in-trousers-12) and I want to be <9. I am 5'6
I don't religiously track on MFP every day, but havet o say that recently,even the days where I have eaten a lot, I've tracked and it's come in under 1900.

I tend to start my fast at 6 or 7pm the night before, have a cuppa with milk at about 8am on FD, then small breakfast at 11 ish, small snack at 3 then tea at 5/6pm. Exercising at least 4 times a week, running zumba or cyclying. I was ponderinga zero fast but not sure if can do withouth skimmed milk in tea. I am wondering what to do next. Zumba teacher gave me a withering glance as they told me how much they'd lost on herbalife last night. I am feeling my enthusiasm slipping sad

Any suggestions

Miffytastic Thu 09-May-13 11:37:00

Sorry for typos and should have been a ??? at the end obviously!

BsshBossh Thu 09-May-13 11:42:07

Miffy you've gone from 10.10 to 10.3 - that's pretty good. You only have another 7lbs to go. You will get there! I know it feels slow and up and down but maybe that's because you don't have much to lose c.f. with quicker losers. Ignore all the withering looks and focus on the health benefits of giving your digestion a break. Speaking of which, rather than switching plans or doing zero calorie fasts why don't you first aim for doing a 24 hour fast - so no food until your 500 cal meal in the evening?

Miffytastic Thu 09-May-13 11:47:34

Yes I was thinking that BB, I was reading over the zero fast thread on the 5:2 forum and wondering if I can get away with having skimmed milk in my morning cuppa or if that would break the purpose of having 24hr fast?

Tortoiseontheeggshell Thu 09-May-13 11:49:46

Miffy are you eating enough on NFDs? If your biggest eating days are well under TDEE then perhaps you're eating too little overall? It sounds like you're working hard.

Chester am I reading you right that you do two zero cal fasts and a 500 cal fast per week? Goodness!

Over here I've struggled all day. Just made gorgeous spicy harissa chicken & lentil soup for 400 cal, which takes my day to a bad 550, and after a huge bowl I am still hungry. Early night for me, I think!

Farewelltoarms Thu 09-May-13 11:55:48

Can I ask how bouncy is other people's weight loss? I wrote on here that I was depressed about going up hugely on Tuesday weigh in (up to 10.11), but then did fast tuesday and non fast Wednesday and this morning it was all off again (it's my fourth week of 5:2 and I've gone from 10.13.5 to 10.7.5). I'm fully expecting a Monday morning gain but would be pleased with something like 10.8.5 (which would be 5lb in 4 weeks).
Hmmm maybe I should weigh myself less but then I think I'd get disheartened.

Miffytastic Thu 09-May-13 12:02:17

Farewelltoarms see above for mine -bouncy is the word! I actually weighed twice this morning, and "lost" 2 1/4 pounds by having breakfast and cycling for an hour...

Tortoise I think I am eating enough, not going for low cal foods particularly or anything. Just totted up what I've had so far today in breakfast & snacks it's 800 cals {oink}

2nd fasting day today. No scales so no idea what i've lost after 4 weeks of this WOL but feeling good and jeans much looser. I have a lot of weight to lose (probably about 5 stone), so don't look much different but I'm loving the way I feel on a fast day.

I even fasted on Monday' bank hol. Went out for a picnic with DCs and DP and other family, they all ate sausages, sandwiches, cake etc. I ate 3 tomatoes, small pot of cottage cheese and a pear. Under 500 cals all day but broke fast earlier than normal due to day out with DC, so feeling pretty pleased with me.

Kept going by thinking of the fish n chips I was having the next day. DD starts school in Sept so i took a day off work, plonked DS in nursery and DD and I played hookey and went to the beach for the day - won't be able to do that come sept. Had fish n chips and ice cream!!

I tend to eat conservatively in the week but do pig out a bit at weekends, but that's why this works. I can't do the diets where you never eat treats again or agonise everyday. This works! Feck you, reduced fat cheese and zero fat yoghurts - you contain stuff that's not good for me!!

Love love love the fact that this seems to be such a healthy way to live too.

ooh. Just been for a wee and can get jeans off without unbuttoning them!!!

GoodtoBetter Thu 09-May-13 12:35:28

marking my place...back later.

SaltyandSweet Thu 09-May-13 12:40:59

Doris I started this WOL with 4:3 in mid Feb and have lost 18lbs so far. 20lbs to go to my goal weight! I find 4:3 very doable, I think it's all about establishing a pattern that works for you. For instance I fast Mon, Wed and Fri - sandwiching the weekend works for me because I like to indulge on at least one weekend day, so with fasts either side I don't feel at all bad about it and the scales still (usually) shift in the right direction. I do sometimes fast on consecutive days (eg Mon and Tues then Thurs or Fri) as prep for a weekend away, for instance, so that I maintain or any gain is minimal. I think whether you're doing 5:2 or 4:3 the key is to find a way to fast that works in your life. Some fasters here move their days regularly depending on what's going on in their lives and it works for them. That wouldn't work for me, I like to know in advance when's a fast day and an eating day, helps get me in the right frame of mind

Farewelltoarms Thu 09-May-13 12:43:06

Yes Miffy your weight loss tally is a bit scary - when you were down to 10.3 after a month and a half you must have been thinking, yay, come May I'll be hitting my target and the bikini shops. I think we're sort of weight doppelgängers - I'm an inch taller and my start weight and aim is about three pounds higher (I want to be 9 stone something, the something prob being 13).
I suppose at least you are 7lb down and keeping it off. I'm sure you're much more comfortable at 10.3 than 10.10. I just know that I always get down to about 10.3 or 4 but can never just manage that last furlong, which is the bit that takes me from fine to fine (said in cod you go-girl ghetto accent).

Farewelltoarms Thu 09-May-13 12:44:30

Another thing, although I find the fasts relatively easy I really don't like doing them and haven't noticed any health benefits whatsoever. I'm really not doing this because I think it's a healthy way of life. I'm doing it for weight loss! The thought of doing two fasts a week and not losing any weight is a very depressing one...

Americano Thu 09-May-13 12:54:18

Hello! May I join too?
Have been lurking on the thread since I began 4:3 almost 3 weeks ago -fasting Mon, Wed and Fri - and you've all been a great support!
Was all going very well for a couple of weeks but this week I had a bounce upwards. Stupidly felt v disheartened and ate too much on a NFD, then failed to fast yesterday when I was meant to, so today am fasting and trying to get back on track!

ponygirlcurtis Thu 09-May-13 13:19:10

Am reaching the end of my first week on the 5:2, have done two fast days (reasonably ok on both). Yesterday and today I have not been particularly hungry in the mornings so I haven't had breakfast - I have been finding recently that I seem to rumble more when I've had brekkie than if I've not, which I couldn't understand, but now it kinda makes sense. This morning at my weekly toddler group I allowed myself a slice of ginger cake and a couple of wee biscuits - all added in on MFL am proper in love with it, so no worries there. Tomorrow will be another fast day, so have a can of soup for lunch, and plan to pop into M&S to treat myself to a lovely healthy ready meal that I can bulk out with veg (I'm not a fan of cooking, although I do lovely roast veg, with soy sauce and balsamic vinegar).

Weighed myself yesterday at my mum's, and I was pretty much what I thought. I'm 12stone 9lbs, so a stone heavier than this time last year, when I was still carrying some baby weight. I'd like to lose 1.5 stones at least, if not 2. Anything over that and I'll be in new territory!

Quickie query - I still haven't eaten anything yet today (other than the cake & biccies at my toddler group this morning). I'm trying to wait until my body tells me it's hungry rather than just having lunch because it's lunchtime. Is that the right approach to take? Today isn't a fast day, just a normal eating day.

Hope you all have a good day.

virginposter Thu 09-May-13 13:59:42

ellliiieee dieted April 2012 to August and lost 7lbs, then started 5:2 and 4:3 and have lost 22lbs for a total of 29. Gone from size 14 to 10 so I think it's safe to say that this woe works grin. Have a look on the maintainers thread and you will see many more 'successes'.

monster54 Thu 09-May-13 14:13:10

Hi everyone and the newbies....

FD here for me, goign strong. Last food was about 8pm last night. I don't plan on eating until dinner tonight.

I hit a new low last week and my big work trousers are now to the point where I can't get away with still wearing them.

I've had a really emotional weekend and unfortunately like others I really can't pig out on NFD's anymore. My stomach goes crazy and I end up in pain and spending too much time in the loo (tmi).....

I do have the odd treat, but I massively under eat on NFD's in comparision to where I once was.....I've realsied that I don't have to have food NOW....

That its Ok to feel hungry and nothing bad is going to happen!

monster54 Thu 09-May-13 14:15:29

Yes pony I would go with the flow and do what your body wants....

I am completely out of habit now and eat when I want and very rarely eat breakfast, I never want it and only find it awakes a beast in me and I'm hungry all day!!!

Miffytastic Thu 09-May-13 14:16:37

Pony yes that sounds right to me, best way to be

Farewell - yeah, I did kind of hope I wouldn't be the same weight come May! but the other thing I'm trying to tell myself is that I've not been piling it on either. This feels sustainable rather than "am I on the weightwatchers wagon or wholeheartedly OFF it" mentality.

I posted a modified version of my earlier post on the 5:2 website's message board, and got a speedy reponse from a couple of people including one of the mods who did some TDEE calculations for me. Turns out I might be better off setting my TDEE at the "desk job" level rather than the exercise one. 4:3 is a good way to balance this but I'm not sure I can hack it, but may be able to acheive a total calorie deficit by having a few lower cal days overall. MFP with a vengence and I'll be looking fine ;-)

FairyArmadillo Thu 09-May-13 14:26:51

Marking my place. First fast day today.

Farewelltoarms Thu 09-May-13 14:36:58

Yes I'm sure you're right Miffy and half a stone off when you're not particularly big to begin with is absolutely not to be sniffed at - well done you. I'm a bit loath to MFP on NFD as that's the whole appeal - not being on it the whole time. I think perhaps I'd rather opt for 4:3 or perhaps a 4:3 every other week. Or perhaps think in terms of mini-fasts - if I'm off out for blow-out dinner with friends, not have any lunch?
Anyway, hopefully I'll be joining you in the early 10s soon enough.
And then fine for the summer proper...

Farewelltoarms Thu 09-May-13 14:39:07

Oh and if it's any consolation, I went from 10.8 to 10.13 over Easter (this was before starting diet, sorry WOE).

ChesterDrawers Thu 09-May-13 15:10:10

Yes Tortoise my plan for the week is 1x 500 cal day and 2x 36hr total fast - is that too much? I'm not planning on being that extreme every week, but would like a good loss to keep me going. DH is away next week so it's easy as I won't have to cook.

Would appreciate views from those more experienced though.

NoForkNKnife Thu 09-May-13 15:15:05

Hi everyone.
I thought I'd posted earlier, but appears I forgot to hit 'post' blush.

First FD and doing ok. I've had a total of 100 calories so far and aim to have the last 400 for evening meal.

Or should I have fasted completely and had all 500 in one go? Is this better? I've also had coffee with semi skimmed milk. Shoul I have been 'counting' this? Think I've had two. I was thinking I could ignore them as I'm breastfeeding my DD.

I then initial weight loss slow? I've got that impression from somewhere on the thread? And I know from experience that I've messed up my metabolism as pretty much no diet seems to work for me anymore. Even very low carb doesn't see the pounds shift any more! Do you think I'll have more success here or am I kidding myself?

tiredemma Thu 09-May-13 15:37:54

chester- what time will you start your 36 hours from?

tiredemma Thu 09-May-13 15:38:51

NoFork- im spreading mine out over the day.

I've got 150 calories left for tonight so I'm going to have a lovely piece of cod fillet.

mehefin Thu 09-May-13 16:01:25

Hi and hello to loads of new people

I weigh monthly and as predicted I plateaued this month. I wasn't surprised as I had been a bit unwell and had had some much needed time off work when I just relaxed, also I had lost about 10% of my body weight which I read was a resetting point.

However when I put my uniform on after 2 weeks the trousers were not staying up properly so same weight but different size ! Think I will make do with safety pins until I can (hopefully) ask for a size 12!

peplum my clients do not sleep well but in a building with a lot of stairs I see the constantly ringing bells as a chance for exercise.

saf out of interest I weighed myself every day for one week. I had a spread of 4lbs if I had taken the lowest weight my plateau would have been a 3lb loss

For all those starting out stick with this and changes will happen

ChesterDrawers Thu 09-May-13 16:03:08

Tiredmamma plan is to go from 8pm-ish on Sunday til 8am on Tuesday then eat normally on Tuesday and then go without til 8am on Thursday. Just lots of water and a couple of black coffee. I did Sunday 10pm til 10am this morning and found it ok, no more difficult than a regular 500 cal fast.

akarucker Thu 09-May-13 16:06:00

Fast fail!! Had my soup at 1pm - way too early. It awoke the hunger demon, and it was Me vs Hunger Demon. I lost...

I can probably still just write today off as a 'good day' because I'll be under TDEE (I hope - there's the evening to get through yet!), but the fast day has gone out the window.

I should know by now - WAIT UNTIL LATE to break the fast. Doing it early in the day does not work for me!!!

BetsyBell Thu 09-May-13 16:19:07

nofork You can do it how ever works best for you - occasionally I use all the cals in one evening meal but more usually spread it out over lunch and dinner, it just depends on what I'm doing or how I feel that day. You are meant to count the milk too but you should allow yourself some extra calories for BF anyway I think.

Everyone loses differently and often, for me, it's a way to not put weight on (rather than lose) - which I do if I have 7 eating days per week generally, unless I'm very careful. But I'd rather have 2 fast days and then relax the rest of the time. Many people find that after a few fasts they can't eat as much as before anyway.

Good luck fasters! This is the hardest time of the day for me shock, just gotta get through to 6pm...

plecofjustice Thu 09-May-13 16:19:41

I had a fail yesterday. An extremely long day at work coupled with a bit of PMT and I ended up eating Pret chocolate rice cakes for lunch, chilli and nachos for dinner with 1/2 a bottle of wine, couple of cans of pop and some humous. Was really loooking forward to my fast today after that!

Americano Thu 09-May-13 16:22:08

Sympathies aka that was me yesterday. Usually eat nothing or nothing till evening on a fast day and for some reason had a bowl of soup for lunch which turned on my hunger. Before I knew it, the day was a non-fast day and then a feast day blush

Now having to fast today. It's not been my best, milky coffee and tea, a cuppa soup etc but aiming to stay well under the 500 and then I'll be back in the game... here's hoping!

INeedThatForkOff Thu 09-May-13 16:23:56

Is there an overview of 5:2ers progress anywhere? I'm nosy looking for as much inspiration as possible before I start smile

To be honest, results vary. Plus what works for me might not work for you. The only way is going to be to try it for yourself.

BsshBossh Thu 09-May-13 16:51:06

ForkOff try this thread:
www.52fastdiet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1925

Average loss for both 5:2 and 4:3 tends to be 1 lb a week.

LadyStark Thu 09-May-13 17:01:49

My first fast day today, had a hard boiled egg for breakfast and tuna salad for lunch, have almost 300 cals left for dinner so it's been a good first day. I am on train home and feeling hungry though!

Purplehulk Thu 09-May-13 17:03:38

Hi Everyone, can I join in?
I've started the 5:2 today and its going much better than I possibly imagined.
Lots of water and lemon tea so far today and looking forward to a stir fry for dinner!

tiredemma Thu 09-May-13 17:56:49

does it matter if I'm on 540 calories? I miscalculated my veg with my fish and have gone over.

don't have to fast again tomorrow do i???

virginposter Thu 09-May-13 18:08:13

tiredemma that is classed as a fast so no, tomorrow you may eat smile

virgin I read that in the style of an emperor deciding whether the gladiator shall be spared. confused And today isn't even a fast day...

ceebeegeebies Thu 09-May-13 18:15:29

Just a quickie before I go and catch up - quick tip, on a fasting day, do not cook garlic bread for the DC wink My willpower has been tested to the limits today!!

NoForkNKnife Thu 09-May-13 18:56:57

Have just added what I'm about to cook into MFP and also added in the 4 coffees and the daily total is 604 cals! Have I ruined it? Shall I rethink my dinner plans?

Maybe should just have the cod without the lentils sad. I've been looking toward to it all day. But I don't wan to cheat and then mess up my chances of losing. How strict is everyone on 500cals?

Ellliiieee Thu 09-May-13 18:57:50

Wow Virgin... Good for you and Thanks. Sometimes you just need to know that you are getting somewhere as gained 2lbs after my 1st NFD after 1st FD and that's enuf to send me to choc brownie blow it land!
I will check the maintainers for extra motivation and do another FD Sunday - will attempt a 24 hr- there's some steely strong girls on here!
Fat off fat!

NoFork, I do try to plan ahead and keep under 500. But for the first few fasts, don't be too hard on yourself.

DorisShutt Thu 09-May-13 19:15:34

Can I just do a quick Mexican wave style celebration?

Been doing this for about a week, and I've managed to be under my MFP/TDEE allocation for each day by a few calories and more importantly, I have enough spare calories from today's food to have a glass of red wine and a mini caramel cornetto!!!

I may be back depressed tomorrow after my weigh in, but tonight is all about the wine!!!

INeedThatForkOff Thu 09-May-13 19:15:50

BsshBossh, that forum is great. Does anyone here use it? I have to say I'm blown away by how this WOE has taken hold.

evening - i got left behind and now you're on page 5 already so no chance of catching up.

fast when by the wayside today. not one fast done this week yet. don't know what's up with me - really not feeling myself. if worst comes to worst and it's a whole week off it won't be the end of the world.

will try to keep up.

NoForkNKnife Thu 09-May-13 19:22:44

Thanks Mel. I've re-thought dinner and knocked another 100cals off. It's adding the coffee that's grown me today. I never knew it expected a cup of coffee to be 30* calories, and I've had 4 cups today. I should go back to drinking it black.

Dotty342kids Thu 09-May-13 19:45:22

Just had most lovely fd dinner of harissa chicken traybake with roasted squash and red onion, on a whole heap of salad. Delicious and just under 400 cals smile. Eating day tomorrow and my mum's turned up with home made scones and some clotted cream, cannot wait!

BsshBossh Thu 09-May-13 19:49:01

ForkOff I'm on that forum alot these days. There's also a terrific (and private) Facebook group too. Search for "5:2 Intermittent Fasting Diet" - it's very, very active and full of lovely, supportive people.

BetsyBell Thu 09-May-13 19:56:14

Quick moan, I got a bit cross with my DH today as he said he was going to join me with fasting today so I made an effort to produce a nice meal for us both - as well as an entirely different meal for the kids. It turned out he didn't bother so I could have avoided the extra kitchen effort and had one of my meal pot soup things while he ate same as the kids. Ah well, truth is I'm very tired and grumpy this afternoon having got up at 6 to do a 40minute run. I was properly hungry too earlier - not so bad now after the, admittedly, lovely meal!

Anyway, aside from that I've had an excellent fast day and up to the point where I had to cook 2 meals I was bursting with energy post-run so it's been easy. I even got offered cake and wrapped it up to eat tomorrow [virtuous halo glint] I may eat DH's share too - that'll serve him right! grin

Talkinpeace Thu 09-May-13 20:14:33

had thought about fasting today - low cal soup last night, no breakfast, no lunch. Decided Waitrose curry meal deal was much better! But we did get meal for three between four and are all full ...

Dotty342kids Thu 09-May-13 20:21:13

Betsy, at least you enjoyed it! Hopefully you've got leftovers for another fast day too?

BetsyBell Thu 09-May-13 20:28:20

Dotty No! Not even leftovers! good job or I'd be eating them right now [hungry face]

BetsyBell Thu 09-May-13 20:30:43

Actually, if anyone's looking for something to put them off eating the Worm thread is hilarious and totally gross. You may not want to eat noodles or spagetti for a while...

BuntCadger Thu 09-May-13 20:49:03

Goodness my spelling earlier was atrocious. I'm worried about piling weight on as bad for baby too. Fasted Tuesday (didnt know preg) and due to tomorrow. Was going to up cal to match dh as we've been doing this together. No idea about ketones in wee etc. very early days in preg, reckon due in jan.

Those of you not losing weight, there were week when I didn't lose but my shape changed.

Laska42 Thu 09-May-13 21:37:39

hello, just to say Hi for those that remember me.. Im still around having 5:2'd since last August and maintaining since December at about 21lbs loss.

I'm usually on the maintainers board these days, but hoping to start the '2013 bikini diet' next week so planning on going back to 4:3 for a few weeks .. would like to lose another 5lbs if I can so that I can put it back on during my holiday!

This is a great WOE , I cant see me doing any other now .. reckon I'm on it for life .. grin

bugsyburge Thu 09-May-13 21:46:46

evening all, had a busy day today so not had time to read through yet but thought I'd report a NSV..... had a fee 'you look like you've lost weight' comments, one being from MIL to say I'm looking very skinny.... very happy with that as we go on our holidays next week for a fortnight to America so I'm sure I won't be skinny when I get back!!!!

NFD here today but I've eaten a random concoction...I was at a funeral so I haven't eaten a proper meal, just lots of nibbly bits- going to track the damage now on MFP.

fast day tomorrow, looking forward to it actually although I'm feeling hungry now so I'm not sure how well I'll get on hmm

INeedThatForkOff Thu 09-May-13 22:08:31

Couple more questions:

Is it really necessary to track NFDs? To me that seems to undermine the convenience of it.

Also, is anyone taking a low carb approach to their general eating? I known MM advocates low GI and wondered if this ties in with low(ish) carbs the rest of the time.

Talkinpeace Thu 09-May-13 22:10:40

Forkoff
tracking on non fast days : no it is not necessary
UNLESS
you are currently significantly over weight
because your "normal" eating is excessive.
Once you get the hang of knowing what your TDEE calories are then you need not track any more

Hello
I have been 5:2ing (with the odd 4:3) for about four weeks and have been lurking dipping in and out of these threads (which are brilliant by the way). I am posting mainly because then it's 'official' that I an 5:2ing and won't be able to cheat grin

I also have one question about my NF Days (which I am sure has been answered elsewhere but there is quite a lot to trawl!). I think I am eating too few calories on my NFDs because I was so impatient keen to lose weight. So I am doing 2 days @ 500 or less cals and then around 1300 for the other 5. I am 5.6, medium build and weigh 12.5 stone (want to lose 2.5 stone) and then the plan was to continue with this WOE indefinitely but up the NFD calories.

But I am wondering if I am not helping myself by sticking to 1300 cals and should up it? And if so, to what (as in what would be the optimum amount to try and work with)

Am managing the 16 hour breaks on fasting days and was also thinking to try and incorporate that same timeframe into eating days - again not sure if this a good or bad thing.

Sorry to ask questions that I am sure have been answered

Paintingrainbowskies Thu 09-May-13 22:23:57

Thanks Greeneggs for the new thread! (Well it's new to me but already 136 messages in!)

Fast day here and I am doing my first 36 hour total fast, so no 500 cals. I've had 2 black coffees and lots of water today but that is it till breakfast tomorrow.

I have been doing 5:2 for about 3 months, have lost 10lbs but felt I could shake things up a bit since I haven't really been losing. Read about 36 hour fasts on the fast forum.

I've felt fine all day but now I feel a bit bleugh, not hungry but my tummy feels a bit squeamish and I would be quite happy to Have my usual fast day 500 cals.

Only 10 hours till breakfast!

ElizaCBennett Thu 09-May-13 22:41:50

Hi, have been visiting my new granddaughter (gorgeous; thank you for asking!) and have been unable to fast this week. Back now so am doing a 36 hour water fast today. Not eaten since last night and will not eat now until tomorrow.

Have been eating slightly over my TDEE while away and have not weighed so tomorrow's weigh in could be frightening!

Miffytastic Thu 09-May-13 22:44:56

Jaded have you worked out your TDEE? I would have thought that if you stick at 1300 you'll lose quickly. I'm not sure /can't remember the science re: the alleged 'starvation mode' & eating under TDEE...

INeedThatForkOff Thu 09-May-13 22:54:14

Thanks Talkinpeace. You've just described me so I think I'll need to MFP for a while. Once I've got the balance right and I'm no longer BFing I'm going to do 36hr fasts, but until then I'll track my whole TDEE and have a 500 cal lunch on fast days to keep the supply going. Does that sound reasonable?

peplum41 Fri 10-May-13 01:18:48

Hi all,
mehefin how lovely to see you back here! Glad you're persevering, are you almost a size 12 now?

jaded by all means stick to 1300 while you have the willpower, but that won't last, then aim to have your TDEE amount which will be a few hundred higher. I find my willpower comes in waves, sometimes virtuous, othertimes downright gluttonous, so hopefully the former balances out the latter. I'm not as greedy as I used to be. I sometimes feel as though I've had a grastric band fitted without the gruesome op.

Emilythornesbff Fri 10-May-13 01:50:13

Oops! I have eaten chocolate and an ice cream today (NFD). I hope i'm not undoing the good work of my fasts. I really miss my slim, toned self <sob>

Well done bugsy painting and laska .

3rd fast of the week tomorrow (my first 4:3). Must buy some different tea.
Very tired.

Tortoiseontheeggshell Fri 10-May-13 04:43:19

Chester, I didn't mean your plan was a problem, I'm a total ignoramus newbie myself. Just impressed that you can manage that plan. Especially at first.

Emily, your dc is only three months old, don't be too harsh on yourself, a lot of that weight will come off naturally anyway.

mttum Fri 10-May-13 05:54:42

Woohoo! Couldn't stay in bed any longer as had to get up and weigh myself this morning, and... (Roll on drums)... Down 14.5 lb, from 15st 5lb on 23 April to 14st 4.5lb today grin grin. I KNOW I can't keep up this rate - 3 x 36 hour total fast per week, AND watching intake on NFDs - but it sure as hell is a good start for me; feeling very motivated now to get the next stone off, even if it does come off a lot slower.

Just wondering how to reward self without going completely over the top and undoing ALL the good work (I don't mind undoing a bit of it wink. Any ideas?

Good luck to all fasters, and all those weighing in today smile

DorisShutt Fri 10-May-13 06:55:27

Squeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

First weigh in! Last Friday I was 12st 10lbs/81kg.

Today I am <drum roll please>

12st 2lbs / 77kg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (With apologies for all the exclamations but an 8lb / 4kg loss merits it in my book!)

morning all.

despite not fasting AGAIN i'm 10.13 again. i haven't fasted all week and haven't seen 11 at all - been between 10.11.4 and 10.13.8 this week. i am a bit torn as to whether to fast today or whether to just call this a week off and let my body do whatever it's doing.

think i will start out aiming for the fast but if it really doesn't feel right i'll eat tonight.

have been paranoid that i'm going to get a killer migraine or dip into some freakish out of nowhere depression all week as i've been feeling so strange and that has made me want to listen to my body and give it what it wants and fasting hasn't felt right when i've tried. has been strange that my weight has stayed down.

right! babble over - will aim to fast today. well done to losers, hang in there to stickers and may the force be with today's fasters smile

Southeastdweller Fri 10-May-13 07:16:12

Morning all.

Well done to everyone who's lost this week.

This week I've lost 1 and a half lbs so my total is now 18 and a half lbs over 15 weeks and I've reached another all-time low. I haven't felt this good in years smile

doris I've done five weeks on 4:3 and found them as manageable as 5:2 weeks. I was just careful to do them on days when I knew I'm going to be busy, like with 5:2.

ELR Fri 10-May-13 07:18:11

Morning all, woohoo weighed this morning and down 1.75lb so am now 10st1.75 nearly in the 9's!! Also my scales show water retention and I was 52.5% usually I am 51% due on any day now so maybe even a little more to come off soon!
So pleased have been on a bit of a stall for the whole of April so just proves you need to stick with it and it will eventually shift.
Good luck all fasters today.

ELR Fri 10-May-13 07:21:14

swallowed yes good idea to listen to your body and see how you feel today. Have a good weekend!

saf Fasting is mental - if your head's not in the right place then it becomes very difficult if not impossible.

I had a not-great fast day yesterday - was doing fine on only tea and coffee until mid-afternoon, when a little 95 calorie Graze box called to me. I knew I could spare the calories no problem, but that started off a real sugar craving. Lesson learned!

No change on today's weigh-in, which was what I expected after a largish drop last week.

ForkOff I still watch carbs even on normal days - more because I know how my stomach and body reacts when I eat too many. Carb-sensitivity varies greatly from person to person, though.

mttum I like little pamper rewards - getting my nails done, giving myself a facial etc.

Bramblesinafield Fri 10-May-13 07:36:11

Omg at Doris and well done keep going all.

Another lb off in a week almost a stone. I went over very slightly yesterday - that'll teach me to bake bread!- but only a teeny slice.

whats4teamum Fri 10-May-13 07:41:03

I think I've suffered the bounce/plateau.

Two weeks ago dropped from 11st 5lbs to 10:13 in a week. Then bounced back to 11.5, then 11.3 and stuck for a week now on 11.2.

Have been doing 30 day shred, 10000 steps and rowing plus 2 fasts. Grrh.

Feel slimmer and want to avoid the scales.

Overall down from 12st 8lb at end of January.

Prawntoast Fri 10-May-13 07:41:49

Well done on all the losses! Lost just over 3/4lb this week, very pleased as ate out a lot over the bank holiday weekend. ELR you are the same weight at me, I'm looking forward to the 9's,haven't seen them in a very long time. Reckon another 2 weeks should get there for me.

Badvoc Fri 10-May-13 07:42:37

I am back on the 5:2 bandwagon today!
I lost a stone last year and then due to family upheaval/illness etc I fell off the wagon...
I would like to lose another stone.
Today I am planning scrambled eggs later for brunch (300)
Then cup a soup for mid afternoon (90)
Then an apple (80)
I reckon that comes in at 500 cals.

akarucker Fri 10-May-13 07:46:42

smile saf

Morning all smile

Well done losers grin

saf hope you're feeling better soon.

mttum Fri 10-May-13 08:08:21

Good idea about the pampering melanie, thanks. I was brought up to associate treats with food. I can even remember my mum buying sweets for me as a reward for being brave while having a filling at the dentist!! Definitely some reprogramming needed...

silverbeetle Fri 10-May-13 08:10:40

Morning all, some really inspirational losses reported- massive well done to all.

Second fast of the week for me yesterday, and it was a hard one. Felt really cold all day, haven't felt like that for ages and found myself clock watching waiting for 8pm dinnertime. However it was worth it, jumped on the scales this morning..... 9st 13.8lb!!! I can't quite believe I'm in the 9s, I know it's only marginal and I'll probably bounce up a bit before Monday (official weigh-in day) but it really is very motivating grin. Last time I saw this weight I was in my teens, so nearly 30 years ago.
Did have a quick body check afterwards just in case a body part had dropped off in the night, but no, all present and correct - lol.
Now decided to reset my goal to 9st 7lb, can't quite believe I am typing this as I had convinced myself over the last few years that my middle age spread was just part of getting older and there was nothing I could do about it. How nice to be wrong.

Since starting this WOL, DH has also lost over a stone and DS has lost 8lb, they don't fast like me but I think it's due to cutting down on portion size, being aware of what you eat and not buying so much crap. It's been a real education to us all.

thanks smile

treats are a great idea. i went for a hot stones massage last friday and i'm off for a swedish one this afternoon. now my mind is going ooh i wonder if that helped with the weight loss by getting my lymphatic system working.

BetsyBell Fri 10-May-13 08:26:20

Whoop! Well done silverbeetle and all the other losers! I had a happy jump on the scales this morning too - less than half a pound from seeing a 9 shock. It'll take me ages to actually get there and stay there but it is tantalisingly close and will definitely happen smile.

Measured up too - in 3 months I've lost 2.5 inches off waist, 1 inch off hips, 1.5 inches off each thigh, 1 inch off each arm. Very happy with that.

For those not seeing the scale results they want, take measurements and record them on MFP so you can look at the nice downwards graphs after a few weeks.

Now to go and ruin it all with a weekend of eating (Friday's the weekend right?) grin

silverbeetle well done on your loss smile I'm 45, at goal weight, BMI <21 and running 10k non-stop with ease. You're not old yet! Feeling cold is a common problem at first, it will probably pass. Tell yourself that's because your body is burning fat instead of keeping you warm!

FD today. DS got up on the wrong side of the cot this morning, and is already down for a nap. Found DD in bed sans nappy, thankfully hadn't peed but was trying to put her nappy onto favourite toy. Toy now in wash and DD very upset. I feel this is going to be a very long one...

Is it ok to just do 500 calories of wine on FD wink

Americano Fri 10-May-13 08:51:03

Well done to all losers!

Have to admit feeling a little jealous as I still seem to be on an upward bounce. 2 pounds up from Tuesday, and 3 in total up from Saturday- which was a new low. And I fasted Monday and yesterday. Urgh knew I shouldn't have weighed today as any gains make me grumpy and more likely to sabotage. Still 3 pounds down on when I began 3 weeks ago. A NFD today so just have to concentrate on not going overboard.

Please please do let me know that these bounces do even out and turn into losses though.

mehefin Fri 10-May-13 08:53:45

Hi peplum I am comfortable in a 14 now so a bit to go before I need a 12 but I don't want to annoy the boss by asking for new uniform too often !
Hope all is well with you

Good to hear so many positive experiences

saf While I was on holiday from work (just stayed at home) I went with the flow as far as fasting went as I knew I was mentally exhausted
No loss during that time but I ate a whole lot less than I would have a few months ago and as I said when I went back to work my trousers wouldn't stay up!

Emilythornesbff Fri 10-May-13 09:05:51

Fasting today and I'm feeling ok. So far.

Dotty342kids Fri 10-May-13 09:39:27

ELR and Betsy - nearly in the 9's! That's amazing! Ooh, so exciting, and will be brilliant when you get there.
And to Silverbeetle, congratulations!
I had my second fast of the week yesterday and this morning scales were showing 10st 11, which is my lowest to date. Fully expecting a bounce by Monday morning but would dearly love it to stay in the 10's. May do a mini fast on Sunday eg. nothing till teatime and then a healthy (eg. not too many roasties!) roast chicken dinner.
Good luck to all fasting today and have a lovely weekend of eating to the rest of us smile

INeedThatForkOff Fri 10-May-13 09:52:40

It's really inspiring to read all these successes smile Well done 5:2ers!

And now for my next question ... (bear with me, I'm trying to be really prepared for starting on Monday)

I noticed early in the previous thread some comments about cutting out sugar for a while to deal with cravings. Is this a common approach while doing the 5:2? virginposter also referred to more obscure sugars. What kinds of foods would I need to avoid?

flowers for continued help.

Theyoniwayisnorthwards Fri 10-May-13 09:57:23

Oh dear. Woke up this morning after my first fast day yesterday and I'm weak and shaky! Maybe I didn't consume enough calories yesterday (460). I'm ebf an almost 6 month old so maybe I need more for milk production? Has anyone else felt like this after a fast day?

BetsyBell Fri 10-May-13 10:00:22

ForkOff That was me doing the sugar thing - I get addicted and it affects my mood if I eat sugary stuff every day and then my brain craves more and more so I try and curb it by quitting once in a while. If eating sugary things is not an issue for you then don't worry about it.

I find that fast days help keep it under control as I avoid anything highly calorific as I like to be able to eat as much as possible for my 500 calories so stick to veggies/salad and some lean proteins (egg, fish). I think I'd been on holiday so had a week off 5:2 plus eating sugar everyday so I was well hooked at that point. Now I'm fine with it, can have the odd sweet thing some days without getting the addictive behaviour but would happily drop it for a bit again if need be.

Hope that helps.

BetsyBell Fri 10-May-13 10:02:12

theonlyway if you're ebf then you should look to be having 600 to 700 calories on a fast day perhaps? Perhaps emily has some tips for you?

wonderingagain Fri 10-May-13 10:14:52

Marking place. smile

mttum Fri 10-May-13 10:39:39

A bit confused with MFP. What I have (more or less) decided to do is to enter my TDEE as calculated on fitgirls site, taking into account exercise done weekly, and aim to have about that many calories on NFDs but not enter exercise onto MFP, as I think that would be double counting the exercise.

Am I right to do this? hmm Is anyone else doing it like this?

INeedThatForkOff Fri 10-May-13 10:41:30

Thanks Betsy

Another one: I've just calculated my net calorie consumption on MFP which it says should be 1460 a day for a 1lb loss a week. Should I add the 1920 I don't use on a fast day and spread it over the remaining 5?

ChesterDrawers Fri 10-May-13 10:50:50

Was going to do a fast today but after my 36 hour one on Wednesday I really had no appetite yesterday so didn't eat much at all and was a bit worried I would end up not eating enough. So today will be a pretty healthy day, although I may bake with DS this afternoon so there may be cake.

Next fast will be Monday now, aiming for 36 hours again as I really found that good last time.

Good luck to everyone who's fasting today smile

ELR Fri 10-May-13 10:50:58

I would say yes you are right mttum and yes you are too ineed

ElizaCBennett Fri 10-May-13 11:00:31

Weighed this morning and am 3/4 lb down! shockWow, am really pleased as have not fasted at all since last Wednesday, not weighed and not watched what I ate.

Will stick with just the one 36 hour fast this week (yesterday) and back to normal next week.

I will try to only weigh once a week as I usually bounce up and down all week and that really frustrates me and makes me feel this WOE is not working, when clearly it is, happy happy grin

BetsyBell Fri 10-May-13 11:00:49

Forkoff Yes - that'll make over 1800 cals per day which sounds about right. What a lot of us do is under eat some days so we've got some 'spare' for the weekend when we might have bigger meals, puddings & more wine!

I don't count calories at all anymore but it's worth doing for a bit to see what a normal day's eating looks like, and you quickly learn how much energy is in different foods. Are you aiming to eat healthier generally? (I ask, with no idea what you normally eat!) I think it's important to maximise your nutrition so if you have spare calories boost up your eating with some raw nuts and seeds, full fat yogurt etc, rather than biscuits. (I actually think biscuits are a bit evil, they're unhealthy calorie bombs and too easy to eat more than you mean too.) Try and make every calorie count for something towards a better you. I don't know if you've got exercise plans too but once you start feeling healthier with better eating you'll want to get active too - even if it's just walking a bit further each day, choosing a bike ride or walk over a drive or bus. Small changes add up to a big difference - I've lost nearly 50lbs over 20 months that way!

Just realised there's a new series of Secret Eaters on 4OD, I love that programme - often plenty of food for thought in there.

I was going to go for a 24hr fast today. Bloody double glazing salesmen kept us busy (we need new windows so they were invited, so I should really blame OH!) so didn't eat till 9:30 last night. I'm not waiting till then to eat tonight, so I shall be aiming for a 22hr fast.

forkoff I try to keep under 1900 on NFD and find that more often than not I'm well under and a few times over. I do like to use spare calories for a treat wine though, as long as I'm not feeling hungry still by the end of the day.

INeedThatForkOff Fri 10-May-13 11:26:53

Yes, I definitely need to improve my diet generally. I trough lots of sugary crap throughout the day - I'm currently on ML so the lack of structure is not my friend.

I know before I start that my issues are going to be tiredness (neither DD nor DS are good sleepers), BFing (though DS is 6mo so I'm willing to scale that back if need be) and lack of time to exercise - that's partly because of the sleep and bedtime issues but mainly because I'm working on some assessment contracts for the next two months. I've asked DH for a Jawbone Up wristband for my birthday to help me get more active day to day.

Perhaps I should wait a while until I'm in a better position to start, but I feel that carrying on with my current bad habits is doing neither my body nor my self esteem (and therefore my DCs) any favours.

I'm quite excited about this. I've started and dropped WW endlessly between and after DCs. I want a change for life.

Thanks for the advice re: TDEE

Does anyone know if there is a way to prgramme My Fitness Pal to recognise that I want to eat 1300 cals a day for 5 days a week and 500 for two? At the moment, I am just using it as a calculator and also not entering my excercise as it then 'gives me back' those calories and I don't want it to.

Good luck to everyone fasting today

BetsyBell Fri 10-May-13 11:37:52

forkoff I understand totally where you're coming from and it took me till my kids were a bit older to get myself sorted - but having said that I piled on the weight while they were babies and toddlers so if you can avoid that and have the motivation to get going then you should.

Why don't you start with MFP and some more activity? Maybe leave the fasting till later when you've got better habits in place. You sound like you really want to get started with some changes and this is a very supportive place to do that! You could work up to fasting with some lower calorie days here and there - days where you avoid the obvious sugary things and carbs - say aim for 900? Half your TDEE. I think it will help with the tiredness and lift your mood, sugar just doesn't work even though we crave it to pick us up a bit. flowers

Americano Fri 10-May-13 11:45:21

Oh, I am another Secret Eaters fan and have been watching this series. Can see some of my own behaviour in some of the people too - e.g. mindlessly popping bits in my mouth while cooking/ preparing meals.

In fact since starting this WOE I seem to be watching way too many food programmes and reading lots of recipe books. Even if I am fasting, my subconscious mind is definitely still thinking about food. Oh dear!

INeedThatForkOff Fri 10-May-13 11:46:47

To be honest I've tried MFP as a stand alone but I don't have the willpower. 5:2 appeals because food becomes a non-issue on fast days. I think I'll probably aim for 600 cals as one meal in the evening so I've got energy for work, and perhaps around 1900 on NFDs, and just see how I cope with that and how the milk production goes.

Thanks for your interest by the way smile

slightlyjaded I know you can set it to 1300 calories, but I don't know if you can customise that far. I just use it as a calculator too and pay attention to the gross calorie count.

jaded if you set MFP to maintenance and activity to your normal without exercise, you can then eat the allowance shown on NFDs, and ignore the fact that you've got loads of cals left over on fast days (and the 'you're not eating enough' message too). If you also put your exercise in, your weekly deficit will be much more accurate and that can be a motivating number to keep an eye on (e.g. mine is usually around 4500).

Emilythornesbff Fri 10-May-13 12:22:44

betsy you are spot on about bastard biscuits. They are evil.

I am on a FD and just been grocery shopping. That wasn't easy!
Had to eat half an apple when I got home. Whoop whoop!
Chicken broth tonight.
I might as well have a coffee with skim milk as this isn't a total fast.

I wonder if I can manage 4:3 next week too.

Biscuits can be a bit dry and tasteless...but jaffa cakes are the devil's own work wink

LexingtonBear Fri 10-May-13 12:45:05

Grrr...I hate it when scales get it in their heads to trick me! Really good fast day yesterday, much enjoyed it, had a speculative weigh-in this morning and after plateauing for three or four weeks, was overjoyed to be down 5lbs. Then double checked for good measure and it was only 3lbs. Am still happy, but not as happy as I was! But on the upside, have not been at all hungry this morning and have just left half my lunch. Unheard of! I've been doing 4:3 very happily (usually Mon, Weds and Fri, but not this week): may embark on my first 36 hour fast next week, feeling ready. Happy weekend everyone!

greenfig Fri 10-May-13 12:50:42

Hi all. Just wanted to say a big well done to ELR Betsy & silver beetle grin

I use MFP to keep a general eye on how my eating's going, though I don't record exercise or wine.

You can't customise it to different calorie levels for different days. But you don't have to press the button at the end of the day to close out out your diary (and so trigger the You Are Starving! lie). Al the details are still retained.

Dotty342kids Fri 10-May-13 14:14:01

ooh, and another NSV for me today! I went down another belt notch, that's three notches down since mid Feb.

ponygirlcurtis Fri 10-May-13 14:29:21

Wow, that's great to hear about all the losses that are going on - I guess Friday is a popular weigh-in day before a weekend of NFD? Makes sense. Am totally empathising the plateauers - that's always happened to me before when I've tried to lose weight, usually tantalisingly close to a significant landmark weight.

I am having a fast day today, third one, am struggling a bit. Am dog tired - DS2 was up 6 or 7 times in the night feverish, and although he generally is up a few times (he's nearly 18 months, am tearing my hair out), I seem to be feeling it today. I haven't had much to drink, so that's probably not helping. I do feel determined to last though, although my plan for a nice low-cal ready meal this evening has gone - I'm taking the kids out for a Maccy D's at their request. If I can have a chicken salad and a small fries and a diet coke to fill me up, I'll actually come in ok. But then I might have to go to bed at 7.30pm so I don't succumb to the evening hungers!

BsshBossh Fri 10-May-13 14:48:18

Just a quick post to say well done all you losers and keep going everyone else.

I'm maintaining now but can't seem to stop the 5:2 habit and have dropped another 2 lbs this week despite it being TOM week, so am 3lbs under target weight. I figure I can keep going if I want to as I'm nowhere near skinny territory (which totally wouldn't suit me),

So a total of 4 stones 12 lbs lost since early last year and of that amount 1 stone 8 lbs doing 5:2.

Anyone who's seen my stats (on earlier threads) will know I've had quite a few stalls during that time including a spectacularly long 4 month stall but I kept on going.

Just keep on going folks, even through the stalls and bounces. If you're diligent, consistent and patient you'll get there.

<scuttles back to maintainers' thread>

tiredemma Fri 10-May-13 15:06:48

woo hoo.

weighed myself again at work today (on the proper electronic scales that we weigh the patients on).

so Monday I was 64.3kg

Today I am 62.9kg.

I feel lighter. I feel amazing tbh. Its not even been hard!!

INeedThatForkOff Fri 10-May-13 15:33:10

BsshBossh that's an excellent loss. I need to bear in mind what you said about bounces and stalls as that's one of my big downfalls.

Well done tiredemma.

When do people generally weigh?

I weigh on fast day mornings. I reckon that then I don't get any fake lows from a fast day and also i'll have had a few nfd under my belt so hopefully I wont see a bounce. That could be twisted logic though.

Americano Fri 10-May-13 15:55:08

That's amazing BsshBossh - I think I just need to keep going through the bounces and believe that this will work.

I usually weigh the day after a fast but beginning to think I should just weigh once a week to stop being excited by false lows and then depressed by the bounce back up.

vieenrose Fri 10-May-13 16:05:43

Congratulations everyone on their losses!
I was wondering if anyone else is left with loose skin on their stomach, the unforseen downside of rapid weight loss. I've dropped 3 dress sizes and over 20 pounds since starting this woe at the beginning of January and I am of course really pleased about that. But, though I look much better now that I'm wearing size 12 jeans, I'm afraid a bikini is still out of the question because of the flabby skin on my stomach. I'd like to add that I exercice at least 3 times a week, do abs almost daily. Is there anything else I should do? By the way, I'm 46 and put on a lot of weight during my two pregnancies.

well done all the losers and dotty 10 st 11 ! woo hoo. Even if you do bounce up abit by Monday , you know after 2 fasts next week it'll be back down again.
My weight has gone up by 0.5 lb this week but its been TOM and that seems to be the pattern with me.. Started the week at at 10 st 11 and weighed in today at 10 st 6.5 lb.Still only 9-10 lb loss over 15 weeks . But my NSV is that Im now a dress size smaller than I was at start of this. I got a new dress for a party next week,it arrived today and looks fab( even if I say so myself!)
Have a great w/e of normal eating all non fasters...

frenchfancy Fri 10-May-13 16:15:57

No advice vieenrose though I understand that it can take up to a year for sink to shrink to fit your new body.

I've lost 29lbs on 5:2, but my skin isn't really that saggy. TBH I wore a bikini even when I was overweight so it certainly won't stop me now.

BetsyBell Fri 10-May-13 16:22:31

vieenrose Hmm, I have the same problem - my lower abdomen is like a deflated balloon where all my pregnancy stretch marks are. As long as I wear a bikini that isn't too skimpy it looks ok though. [waits to hear if anyone else has found a solution]

Thanks greenfig grin I seem to have celebrated by eating cake (the pieces I didn't eat on yesterday's fast day - yes the DH's too, mwah ha ha) and now I'm chomping through some chocolate blush. Oh well.

Bssh Do you find yourself in slight disbelief at what you've achieved? I know I'm finding it odd coming to terms with being a slim person rather than a permanently overweight one. I'm also finding I'm looking at people who I thought to be impossibly slender a year ago and realising that they no longer look like a separate species - either that or they've all got fatter! (They haven't).

I love this WOE. And these threads smile.

vieenrose Fri 10-May-13 16:44:00

frenchfancy: I guess I'll just have to be patient then! Anyway, I'm not really complaining.
BetsyBell: a high waisted bikini bottom might indeed be the option. And I also find I can't get over the fact that I now fit into the slim category which I really thought I had said goodbye to for good. I've not quite come to terms with it either or with the fact that I no longer have to walk around wearing what depressingly felt like potatoe sacks

Ah good advice - thanks Postman

virginposter Fri 10-May-13 17:07:16

Forkoff have only just caught up with the last few pages of this thread.
The other sugars I was talking about are the hidden ones in i.e. baked beans, bread, fruit, milk etc. but I was only omitting these because of my yeast intolerance.
As the others have said, if you want to keep your craving for sugar under control then go without the usual suspects (cake, choc etc etc) for a week or two and then the cravings usually subside.
It's good that you are information gathering before your start on Monday, try to read all the OP's if you can and try not to worry, this is really easy peasy smile
I started this woe on a Monday too and so I weigh every Monday morning (Sunday is one of my fast days).
Good Luck.

virginposter Fri 10-May-13 17:22:28

BetsyBell Despite my 29lbs loss I too still find it a big surprise when told that I'm slim.
I was cutting DH's hair last week and he reached forward to pick some hair from off my tummy. I looked down to see what he was doing and thought to myself "oh he's going to touch my fat bulging tummy" but I was surprised to see no fat tummy just flatness. I know I am a size 10 now and slim but it still surprises me. What's all that about?? grin

Emilythornesbff Fri 10-May-13 17:28:01

Just had my thin chicken broth. It's weird because although I would love a thickly buttered slice of warm crusty bread with it I am quite calm about the self denial.
I just hope I see some good results again soon.
betsy and vieenrose I am super keen to lose the wobbly ness of my tummy. I didn't get any stretch marks but was v big with both pregnancies and now the weight is going I have a wrinkly abdomen. sad.at 42 I'm worried that's it for me and I'll be on "embarrassing bodies" next year.

BetsyBell Fri 10-May-13 17:34:15

VP, Vie It's a nice problem to have though isn't it grin Mind you, having never previously been a scales owner I didn't realise I was fat until I saw some photos so I guess it works both ways (I've lost about 45lbs from my peak weight - which occurred several years after having babies blush)

emily The dodgy bits are only there because of the stretch marks in my case as I haven't got that problem anywhere else - so there is hope for you!

vieenrose slightly generous bikini bottoms work for me...no tummy stretch marks but definitely some post-baby loose skin that persists no matter how slim I am, e.g. I'm 8st 9 and it's still there (and DD1 is nearly 16 so it's not going to disappear now!) At 45 I'm almost the same age as you. Tops are easier being flat chested but I will try on a million bikini bottoms to find the ones the right shape to cover up the loose bit.

virgin it still surprises me too, and I only went up to a 12 before starting 5:2! Colleagues were asking me today how I've lost so much weight so there may be a few more converts soon.

BsshBossh Fri 10-May-13 17:54:27

BetsyBell yes with you on the slight disbelief. I am amazed now that I don't have to wear clothes that hide my body, that my tops can skim above and not below my bottom, that I can wear clothes to flatter. Of course I could do all that when larger but I didn't have the confidence. Two of my friends are large and dress so well - no hiding for them, but for me... well I just didn't have their self-esteem over my body shape. Now I do. I still go straight to the size 18s in shops though and then remember grin.

monster54 Fri 10-May-13 18:07:15

Urrggghhh seemed to have bounced up from 11.3 to 11.4.5....grrrrr!!!

My first gain on this WOL...I did do 4:3 last week and that prob gave me a false low...might have to 4:3 it again this week and try and get of the gain and extra to shift grin(

I've been pretty good, and I don't over eat at all on NFD's....my stomach just can't handle it!

Nevermind there's always next week!

Talkinpeace Fri 10-May-13 18:15:24

A couple of tips for those trying to lose weight

MFP / My Fitness Pal
Set it to only lose 1lb a week tops, then set your TDEE, then use the weekly reports to see how you are doing.
IGNORE daily figures as you are knocking it sideways with the fasts.
MFP is a temporary tool until you get the feel of your TDEE.

bouncing weight
mine fluctuates by up to 3lb during the week.
That is why I weigh myself once a week at exactly the same time in the same clothes.
All else is folly because it literally depends on when you last had a poo! TMI maybe, but reality.
If your once a week are not holding steady / dropping, THEN you need to go back to MFP and analyse why.

But now its gone 6pm on a Friday so wine

ELR Fri 10-May-13 18:19:51

Cheers talkin enjoy your wine I'm just about to have a G&T!
Have a great weekend everyone!

monster54 Fri 10-May-13 18:25:30

Thanks TIP duly noted...but I do all those things already!!

I usually stay the same mid cycle, but showing this gain. I'm hoping its just hormonal and I'll see it disappear and some next Fri weigh in!!

Talkinpeace Fri 10-May-13 18:33:42

monster
the post was general as well as at you : I think I've said roughly the same at least once on every one of the threads!
seriously though, the difference between full bladder and digestive tract and empty can be over 2kg !!

INeedThatForkOff Fri 10-May-13 19:10:32

Thanks for the information. I'm feeling quite well prepared for Monday!

DeckSwabber Fri 10-May-13 19:19:00

Ate loads yesterday (special occasion so cake, lunch out, takeaway for dinner, more cake, 1/2 bottle of wine) and am struggling with today's fast. Have resisted all temptation and only had tea so far. Roll on tomorrow!

applegate Fri 10-May-13 20:28:32

So I haven't yet eaten today, second fast day of the week. I have got a banging headache, as I have at this sort of time on all of the days I have fasted since I started this a month ago. I have drunk plenty of fluid so its not that, I just wondered if anybody else got headaches on fast days?

bugsyburge Fri 10-May-13 20:30:37

evening all,

I hope everyones days are going well, fast and non fast....

I've had quite a revelation today.... I've never been a big scales hopper as I'm a muscular build & have always been quite 'heavy' despite being a size 12.... for the past 5 Years I've bobbed between 11 & 11.3... I find it relatively easy to change shape but I struggle to get the scales to budge

this coupled with the fact that the scales at rhe gym have been missing for a couple of weeks means that I don't weigh often. I was amazed a fortnight ago that I was down to 10.7 & I was hoping for 10.4 today. WELL I had to do a double take... it was showing 9.12 grin

sorry for babbling on but I was mega chuffed about this.... I've lost 19lbs in 9 weeks doing 4:3 with plenty of treats along the way

I'm a happy bunny tonight grin grin

applegate I often get headaches on fast days, but I plan them on days when I know i'll be busy with dcs and always assume its their constant noise that causes it wink

Talkinpeace Fri 10-May-13 20:38:03

YO Bugsy

BetsyBell Fri 10-May-13 20:41:14

Cor bugsy! 9.12 is not heavy is anyone's book shirley! Amazing!

My eating's been awful this afternoon - that's what happens every time I get a new low scale reading! Celebration and self sabotage. Ah well wine all round. Happy Friday everybody smile

bugsyburge Fri 10-May-13 20:44:03

I know, I've never been in the 9s since I was about 17....although im ashamed to say that the scales them MADE me sabotage a good fast by forcing me into contemplating fish & chips....although I only managed half a portion so not a total disaster!!!

starting to think I won't look too bad in my bikini next week, Woop Woop

Talkinpeace Fri 10-May-13 20:47:00

betsy
and please bugsy this is not "at" you
nobody under 5'4" should healthily weigh more than 9st anything.

We have become offensively inured to being overweight.
Many of us on the maintainers threads now regard BMI of 22 as an absolute upper limit : and if you look at picctures from the 50's 60's 70's
we are right.

I am delighted that 5:2 is giving more and more people a way out of "the diet trap" but please, aim for the stars ....

bugsyburge Fri 10-May-13 20:50:31

I don't really understand....blush

Talkinpeace Fri 10-May-13 20:54:09

(((bugsy))))
sorry, I've been on these threads since number 1

breaking the diet binge cycle is a fantastic thing
but dieters neet to set their target high enough ....
if we can stop kowtowing to the food industry, the average BMI on this thread will head towards 21 ....
be part of that

bugsyburge Fri 10-May-13 21:03:50

ah ok, I've just calculated my bmi & it comes out at 21.5 so that's good smile

DorisShutt Fri 10-May-13 21:13:20

Trouble is BMI takes no account of body shape and muscle mass.

I am 5ft 1" (2" on a good day) and I have large boobs and would (after a slightly drunken night with a med student friend) estimate that they weight about three-quarters of a stone, yet my BMI should be the same as a man the same height.

My healthy BMI range is between 7 and 9.5 stone. I have (even when I was 17, eating properly, exercising 4 days a week) never been lower than the upper limit of 9.5 stone.

I agree that a low BMI is a good thing, but it is not the be-all and end-all of weight loss.

BetsyBell Fri 10-May-13 21:14:58

Hmm, I think it's perfectly acceptable to celebrate a 10lb loss on here regardless of BMI... No one on here is interested in accepting being overweight that's why we're here (and I have been here for 4 months so y'know, not exactly a flash in the pan).

I haven't binged and I've never been a 'dieter' as such, I ate various bits and pieces early at my usual hungry time so didn't have an evening meal - overall calories the same. Apart from the wine grin. It is Friday...

DorisShutt Fri 10-May-13 21:19:08

With you on the wine Betsy... (And yep, I have budgeted for it grin)

Talkinpeace Fri 10-May-13 21:20:52

doris
utter fair point - a friend recently had surgery to save her back that happened to remove 2kg from her boobs

betsy
I agree that the BMI is a gross measure .... BUT it is essentially accurate.
Men should aim for between 22 and 27
women between 19 and 23
I know that current acceptance is of BMI much higher than that but, sorry, lots and lots of us are hitting the lower levels while feeling good and having fun.

PS : I eat carefully all week to allow weekend wine ...

bugsyburge Fri 10-May-13 21:28:41

well anyhoos I suppose all that matters is that we are all trying to move the scales in a downwards direction so we feel happier with ourselves.....

hoping to not have an attack of the Friday night munchies....envy

BetsyBell Fri 10-May-13 21:35:56

...And there was I celebrating someone's loss that took them into an acceptable BMI category. Personally, I'm all for positive encouragement.

Some of us are a bit heavier than we look - I'm now size 8 to 10 everywhere except my thighs (12)! And frankly edging towards being too bony on the ribs and clavicle, and yet am BMI 23.4.

bugsyburge Fri 10-May-13 22:00:14

bmi for me is nothing more than a rough tool .....my healthy range is between 8.2 & 9.11..... if I got to 8.2 I think I would be giving Victoria Beckham a run for her money!!! I would look gaunt!!!

nope, for me it's about feeling comfortable in my clothes.... I didn't think I would get to under 10st because as per pp I have always been able to change shape/ dress size but never the scales....however after todays weigh in & a stare at myself in the mirror, i think I'd like to get to 9.7 but nothing less than that I don't think.

where are you hoping to get to Betsy?

BetsyBell Fri 10-May-13 22:09:07

bugsy I'm vaguely aiming for mid-'normal' bmi so 9st7ish I think, but since I started this journey in the 'obese' category I'm pretty delighted to be where I am - anything else feels like a bonus! Like you, gaunt is where I'll end up if I go lower than that - and I know that because I've been there with illness and it isn't pretty and will be even less so now 17 years later. Right now I feel fitter and healthier than ever before - that is the focus, for me, not the numbers. smile

MayTheOddsBeEverInYourFavour Fri 10-May-13 22:15:22

Hello everyone and thank you all so much for posting on these threads because they are so helpful and inspiring

I started the 5:2 last week and I love it already, I have lots of health problems/meds so to find a woe I can manage is just amazing

I was just wondering though if its possible to lose really large amounts of weight doing this? Over time of course- not expecting any quick fixes! But I wasn't sure if it was possible to really drop lots of weight or of its more suited to losing smaller amounts and maintaining?

bugsyburge Fri 10-May-13 22:27:40

hi may, how much are you thinking? personally I've lost 19lbs so far.... I know other have lost much more but I think slow and steady is the motto here....as long as you are patient and see out the plateaus and bounces then I see no reason why large amount couldnt be lost

good luck thanks

NoForkNKnife Fri 10-May-13 22:44:17

Hey ladies,
Haven't caught up with the thread today, but before I do, is anyone having a problem with MFP? Trying to log my meal out tonight and it won't 'find' anything. Was working fine earlier. Sorry if you've already been discussing this.

Had a good FD yesterday. Stuck to 550 cal for first FD and it felt relatively easy. The worst part was late afternoon. I've really overdone it today though. Not intentionally, but I've definitely eaten more than normal blush.

MayTheOddsBeEverInYourFavour Fri 10-May-13 22:44:42

Thanks bugsy and bloody well done on how well you've done already

I need to lose a massive amount of weight but I'm in no rush and a lb a week would be more than enough for me, but I was just worried that this way of eating might not be enough to really lose lots of weight over time

Having said that even though I am a bit worried it won't work I'm enjoying it so much that I'm not going to stop! It honestly is the only thing I can see myself sticking to long term

MFP is up the creek...put my dinner in using my ipod as usual and when I'm on my laptop I can't see it in my diary. Hopefully it will be resolved soon.

Breadandwine Fri 10-May-13 23:27:09

I was just wondering though if its possible to lose really large amounts of weight doing this? Over time of course- not expecting any quick fixes! But I wasn't sure if it was possible to really drop lots of weight or of its more suited to losing smaller amounts and maintaining?

MayTheOddsBeEverInYourFavour Personally, I think this WOL is for everyone! smile

Check out this thread on the subject on the 52fastdiet forum:

www.52fastdiet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2294

Hopefully it will give you some encouragement. The forum itself is well worth joining or bookmarking - there is some great research going on there - and the support from everyone is very similar to that on these threads.

MayTheOddsBeEverInYourFavour Fri 10-May-13 23:40:38

Thanks so much breadandwine, that link is fantastic

frenchfancy Sat 11-May-13 06:42:52

I managed to eat about 4000 cals yesterday without even trying blush Didn't really overeat, at no point felt full. Just had a day where the meals were high fat and had a bottle of wine and some peanuts in the evening (peanuts are the devils work, 1 small bowl = 600 cals ) I guess this is why my weight crept up over the years. I know it isn't a problem, I'm still below target and I'm doing 5:2 next week but I'm still a bit shocked. I never used to count calories (which is why I could never do traditional diets) and I know I used to have days that were much worse than yesterday.

INeedThatForkOff Sat 11-May-13 07:22:29

I'm so enthusiastic to start that I'm going to count the weekend as NFDs using MFP to track cals. Great to see that I can eat what everyone else does and stay within TDEE. Also blush to think what my usual snacking adds onto that.

10.11.4 again this morning. yesterday i didn't eat till evening but then didn't stick to 500 by a long shot but weight is down.

i think i know why it dropped over the last week and again today. yesterday i went for my second whole body massage (first was last friday) and the penny dropped when i was getting the aftercare talk that maybe that was why the weight had come off/stayed off a bit easier. maybe stimulating the lymphatic system has helped? anyway. on an anecdotal study of one i'd say go get a whole body massage for weight stalls. it might also explain why i've been feeling a bit strange this week if maybe toxins and stuff were being released. need to do some reading.

no true fasts this week at all though lots of days of not eating for 20hrs and a couple of fairly low cal days yet i'm back to the lowest weight i've seen since starting this. will leave it for the weekend and fast on monday i think.

BsshBossh Sat 11-May-13 07:32:29

saf excellent!

Wishihadabs Sat 11-May-13 07:37:52

Hello all,
weigh in yesterday 9'2" was 9' 12 when I started in February.So BMI down from nearly 23 to 20.5. I know these figures aren't huge, but I really didn't have much to loose. FWIW I have tiny bones so should realy live in the lower half of BMI range. I know I look and feel better around 9st. (Think my target is 8'12).

I am a little bit sad that I spent 5 years carrying an extra stone around trying to tell myself (and being encouraged by the food and diet industry) to think it was ok and that I needed 3 meals a day or the world would end. No I am a wan with a small frame and I don't need that much food. That is the reality. It is very liberating and saves loads of money smile

DeckSwabber Sat 11-May-13 07:38:00

That's good news, SAF.

Despite strict fasting on the fast days and mostly not overeating on other days I have lost very little - a couple of pounds - but my shape has changed. Less 'muffin'. And my favourite boots zip up easily whereas one was a little tight at the calf. I've been swimming 50 lengths twice a week for three weeks so I'm hoping I have put on muscle!

akarucker Sat 11-May-13 07:48:29

saf I'm so happy for you. You've struggled through a plateau and it was worth it. I think you've well and truly left the 11s behind. Well done!

thank you. i hope so aka

Emilythornesbff Sat 11-May-13 09:21:44

Morning.

Well done saf and wish. So nice to see the numbers dropping.

Bugsy 10lb is great. I bet you're looking fab. I'm 5'4" and super keen to get back to around 8st 4Lb.

frenchfancy shock scary, isn't it? It really is very easy to over eat. If I exercised no control I could manage that lot no problem (apart from the morbid obesity that would follow).

So, not an official weigh -in day but I couldn't resist after my first week of upping to 4:3. 9st 4Lb 2oz. So just over 11lb down since 9 April and a stone or so to go.
I love this thread. So supportive. Thank you.
Em

Emilythornesbff Sat 11-May-13 09:23:26

deckswabber shape change is a wonderful NSV well done.

silverbeetle Sat 11-May-13 09:25:00

Fab news SAF so pleased for you. It was a frustrating wait but I agree with aka the 11s are now in the dim and distant past. grin

newbiefrugalgal Sat 11-May-13 09:44:14

Hello, second fast day today.
First one wasn't so good when my soup plans for dinner were scuppers by a dinner brought by a friend.
Today will be better!

NoForkNKnife Sat 11-May-13 09:57:40

Hearing all these losses is very motivating. I have a hell of a lot more to lose than most of you though.

Had first NFD (if that makes sense) and seem to have gained overnight! sad! I really should step away from the scales. I'm now thinking of adding another FD in-count 24 hours from yesterday evening, and just eat this evening. Do you think this will help?

So tired today. Baby was up lots last night. It's going to be hard...

vieenrose Sat 11-May-13 10:58:42

Nofork: Don't be discouraged, the weight will come down eventually. My method is to weigh in every six weeks or so at the gym and then I'm sure to see a downwards movement. What I do though is measure myself every 10 days or thereabouts and I notice there is always half an inch off somewhere or other. It's incentive enough for me, that and the clothes I've been discarding.
Keep up the good work but if you are too tired today, don't beat yourself up and fast some other time.
Fast day for me today and things are going fine for the moment

Emilythornesbff Sat 11-May-13 11:41:50

noforknknife don't be downhearted. You could weigh yourself every hour and each wt would be different.
It's a gradual process. When you start seeing changes you'll feel extra enthused.
And you are not alone with that cursed sleep deprivation. I find that I need to keep my fluid levels up, really make myself drink, or I am prone to ferocious snacking.

INeedThatForkOff Sat 11-May-13 12:03:10

Blindly, I'm rumbling on my NFD! I've tracked the day on MFP to allow for a couple of glasses of wine out with friends later. I've allowed more than 1900 cals. Just shows what I must be getting through normally shock

INeedThatForkOff Sat 11-May-13 12:45:53

I meant blimey, not blindly. iPhone autocorrect is very determined!

ponygirlcurtis Sat 11-May-13 12:49:58

saf I was really interested in what you said about thinking a massage could help in plateau situations. It makes sense to me - I studied massage for a while - so I'll definitely be trying that if/when I reach that point. If nothing else, I'll be more relaxed about plateauing!

DotShutt - I am the same frame as you, short with large massive boobs. No matter how much I lose, they are always big. I've always been a 'big' girl (ie even since I was a little girl), so I'm interested to see how much I can lose with this WOE.

Well, I managed my FD yesterday, despite struggling with hunger and tiredness and despite a trip to Maccy D's - in actual fact, their grilled chicken salad was v tasty, lots of it and only about 200cals. In total, I came in at about 600, which I was happy enough with as I managed two lots of over 16hrs total fasts (before having lunch yesterday and after dinner until I ate today).

Today is a NFD, and even though I plan to have wine later (it is Satuday grin), I'm trying to make sensible choices during the day. That's a new thing in itself, previously my emotional eating was in charge and I was scarfing down crisps, chocolates damn Easter eggs and anything else without thinking. I can see a difference in my shape, I think - not that I've visibly lost weight, more I think that I seem less bloated. Hope so.

Hope everyone is having a good day.

NoForkNKnife Sat 11-May-13 13:17:40

grin I love how everyone is planning for wine this evening!

Gave up on the extra FD. The 4 mugs of coffee to get me through the morning made me feel sick on an empty stomach. I've just caved when my lovely DD (3) suggested (for the first time ever) my favourite fish finger sandwich for lunch. It's like she was inside my head!

Oh! And I got back on the scales <slaps wrist> and I'm actually exactly the same weight as yesterday. It's actually 2lbs down this week. Can't surely put that down to one fast day?!

ceebeegeebies Sat 11-May-13 13:46:40

Hope you are all having a good weekend smile

Had a couple of NSVs this morning so am feeling great grin am only going to weigh myself once a month so have to rely on NSVs to give me a boost!

virginposter Sat 11-May-13 14:00:24

Here's a tip for some of the newbies step away from the scales it's not healthy to weigh more than at least once a week, unless you can really handle it. For some of us it's enough to drive us to over eat whatever the scales say. If we lose then we think we have some leaway and so indulge, if we put on then we feel disheartened and say sod it I'll have that biscuit. Over use of scales is wrong and will not make the weight loss any quicker.
I'm not perfect and sometimes have been tempted to 'sneak a peek but it's really not worth it imho anyway smile

ponygirlcurtis Sat 11-May-13 14:11:40

When I did Scottish Slimmers a few years ago, I lost about 17.5lbs in total. But it was at a snail's pace, around 0.5lb/week. In the end I had to stop getting on and off the scales because in the course of a week I could bounce up and down so much that I'd lose sight of my loss because it was so small. But a loss is still a loss, however small, and if I'd let the lack of evidence of loss on the scales sabotage my efforts, I'd have given up and not have lost that stone +.

Whilst I know all this, I'm still dying to have a sneaky peak at the scales... grin It's hard not to!

INeedThatForkOff Sat 11-May-13 14:51:46

What does NSV mean?

akarucker Sat 11-May-13 14:54:27

Right! That's it, you've convinced me. I'm going to weigh once a week. I usually weigh at night and in the morning - obsessive much?? Saturday mornings only from now on. This will be as hard as the chocolate detox...

akarucker Sat 11-May-13 14:55:21

NSV - Non Scale Victory (eg going down to the next belt hole)

Americano Sat 11-May-13 15:42:29

Yup, I am going to give up regular weigh ins too. After bouncing up and down all last week, and on the whole getting more and more down about the higher numbers, I think I need to step away from the scales.

I know my clothes are getting looser so can see that this WOE is working. I think once a fortnight should do it...and will hopefully avoid some of the bounces I have been seeing in the last week.

BsshBossh Sat 11-May-13 15:59:12

Great advice virginposter. Last year when I lost 3 stones I was only weighing once a month and don't ever remember being demoralised by the numbers of the scales because I had no clue whether I was gaining, bouncing up and down etc in between weigh ins. Even during my 4 month stall, only weighing once a month helped me keep a level head about everything. I'm now a weekly weigher but only because I don't feel a slave to the numbers.

BerryMojito Sat 11-May-13 16:04:33

Hi all, have been lurking for a while and have just completed my third week/sixth FD. I am delighted that I am 6lbs down! I have just joined MFP to track and am toying with the idea of 4:3 as have a LOT of weight to shed.

Will I see a marked difference in losses if I go to 4:3?

FrozenFlowers Sat 11-May-13 16:51:42

I havent read through everything yet but I am just checking in to say hello. I am planning to start the 5:2 diet on Tuesday (I'm going to try fast days on Tuesdays and Thursdays and see how that goes).

I am really overweight and I've finally realised I need to do something about it. I went today to buy some new trousers for work and ended up having to buy a size 22. My weight has just crept up inexorably over the last 10 years and it can't go on. I don't even have any children yet, so I can't blame the baby weight. I want to try and sort things out so that I can start TTC in a couple of years, and I've got a very long way to go.

I think that 5:2 could work well for me. I'm nervous about it, as I've never really tried dieting (hence why I am so fat!) but I am excited about the idea of finally tackling my weight - I've suddenly realised how unhappy I am about it.

Now off to read the threads for tips!

Second the suggestion to ignore the scales and go by the feel of clothes.

Berry, on another 5:2 diet forum I frequent, users found very little difference in results from 4:3 versus 5:2. You're making great progress so far! Why not keep 4:3 as a ploy if you hit a plateau.

I'm delighted to be in my size 12 Craghoppers trousers today - their sizing is very snug I find. Plus I'm in a size 10 Hawkshead shirt which is no longer gaping over the bazombies. Now there's an NSV!

BerryMojito Sat 11-May-13 17:06:10

Frozen sounds like we are at a similar starting point sad

Thanks Melanie I think that sounds like a plan for now as I am very comfortable doing 5:2 at the moment.

FrozenFlowers Sat 11-May-13 17:11:12

I'm going to have to go and buy some scales - I don't even know what I actually weigh blush - but I know it must be a lot. I've been kidding myself that I don't really mind, but actually I do. I'm only 26, and I'm fed up of buying all my clothes in a grab and run at M&S because I'm too scared to go into other shops and finding nothing fits. And I'm concerned about the impact on my health. It's just time I sorted it out!

Good luck Berry - I'm sure we will get there in the end!

silverbeetle Sat 11-May-13 17:49:27

Well done Berry 6lbs is great smile

Hi Frozen smile don't forget to measure yourself before you start (waist, hips, bust etc) as well as jumping on the scales, as these are often good indicators of progress even if the scales don't move much some weeks you find the inches do. I'd definitely try 5:2 first and see how you go, you need to be able to stick with it and it needs to fit into your life, sometimes 4:3 can be a bit restrictive. The weight will probably come off just as fast - good luck and let us know how you get on.

MelanieC loved the bazombies comment haven't heard them called that in ages, mine seem to be deflating which is a rather unfortunate side effect of the WOL, thank god for padding and underwires.grin

Nearly wine time for me and a slouch in front of the TV - yipeee!

Bramblesinafield Sat 11-May-13 17:56:25

Dnt worry those of you who are not losing, we all go up and down, you will get there.

Did a twelve mile walk with friends today. My word, once again, I have really noticed the weight that I've lost. I felt healthier and more aware of my body and the straps of my rucksack settling better on my shoulders. What I'm trying to work out was the sensation of not having a load of 'body' for my arms to brush into as I was walking - the love handles are still there, but so much less. And a stone less of me to shift on the uphill push. Feels good, hadn't anticipated how good - keep going ladies!

silverbeetle Sat 11-May-13 18:08:27

I echo Brambles my weight was stuck for 3-4 weeks (maybe 0.5lb movement), then for some unknown reason it gets going again.

A sort of NSV ish today which I thought I'd share - DD went on DoE expedition this morning, so we had to weigh her rucksack. It weighed 10kg (just over 1 1/2 stone) and it was bloody heavy! Suddenly realised that I had lost more than that in weight already, can't quite believe how much harder my body must have been having to work to carry that extra weight around.
If anyone gets disheartened by how much weight they've lost I suggest you load up a rucksack so that it is equivalent in weight to the weight you have already lost and try walking around with it - then you'll remember just how well you have done.

Whoops, after 6 now, I can hear the wine calling me from the fridge - have a good weekend everyone smile

BetsyBell Sat 11-May-13 18:40:43

silverbeetle Yes, I once weighed a load of grocery shopping I was struggling to carry - quite the eye opener when I realised I'd been carrying around that same weight not that long before!

I should have stuck to 1 or 2 glasses wine yesterday - can't drink like I used to and went to bed with a sore stomach after half a bottle. Mind you a few weeks ago I couldn't even drink one glass without getting a headache immediately so it's a bit of an improvement. sigh

Whoamireally Sat 11-May-13 20:13:38

HI there I am now in my 2nd week of 5:2 but have only just found this thread! I am finding it pretty easy, am sip sip sipping water all day and generally feel great. Am not weighing as haven't any scales - yet. Stupid dry skin condition completely cleared up - great!

Just wanted to ask - on the morning after my fast day this week i woke up and literally felt drunk. I got out of bed and couldn't keep my balance. Went away after I'd had some breakfast. Anyone else get this? What causes it?

Talkinpeace Sat 11-May-13 20:20:07

dehydration

rather than sipping at water all day, have a large drink occasionally : its about training your system to work with reserves rather than constant top ups

hence my eternal rant of NO SNACKING EVER

Talkinpeace Sat 11-May-13 20:21:08

betsy
when I lost 3 stone doing ww, at the end of it I put 3 stone of food into a rucksack and carried it up the stairs
NO WONDER my knees had hurt before!

Whoamireally Sat 11-May-13 20:35:57

I'm not sure about dehydration - I drank nearly 4 litres that day in total? Can you drink too much water? Could that be it?

Talkinpeace Sat 11-May-13 20:42:52

definitely - read up on Antony Andrews ....

one of the really interesting bits of this WOE is how it works by overturning the bulk of advertising and food industry sponsored advice

- you do not need breakfast
- you do not need snacks
- starvation mode does not exist in normal life
- skipping meals is perfectly normal
- having nothing to eat or drink for several hours will not kill you (it doesn't at night after all)

all we are really doing with 5:2 is going back to an age or location where the food supply was a bit more erratic : which is what our bodies have evolved for.
We did not evolve for 24 hour availability of cheap food.

ponygirlcurtis Sat 11-May-13 20:56:39

Frozen wanted to say hi, I've been where you are before. I was size 20/22 before I lost a load of weight in order to TTC. It seems so daunting I know, but you can do it. Maybe break it down into small achievements. Aim first for losing half-stone, then a stone, then maybe 10%. I've only just started myself, so i don't know the answer to your 5:2 vs 4:3 question, but I will say - good luck!

Emilythornesbff Sat 11-May-13 21:02:56

I think I've eaten a bit too much on my NFD.
Not loads thankfully.
Maybe I should do 2:5 grin

FrozenFlowers Sat 11-May-13 21:03:54

It is daunting, and I think you're right that aiming for small goals is the way to go. I'm feeling really excited now that I've decided to do something positive. I've done an online shop and planned some meals for the fast days this week. I keep thinking: I've done things that are much harder than just eating less food, so I know I can do this if I really put my mind to it.

akarucker Sat 11-May-13 21:12:51

Does anyone find that they get negative comments when you tell people that you're losing weight on 5:2? The complements and encouragement seem to shift gear when I tell them how I'm doing it. Not sure why. Jealousy? Skepticism? Worry? Who knows!

ELR Sat 11-May-13 21:13:24

And remember if you fancy something when fasting you can have it tomorrow!

ELR Sat 11-May-13 21:15:36

aka yes it's like you've been taking diet pills or something!
Ooh that can't be good! I could never go without food! Yes but it won't last! Then when you say I've lost nearly a stone it's oh so how does it work?

Dotty342kids Sat 11-May-13 21:46:40

Well done saf I'm so pleased for you. I have had my mum staying for the last two days so have been attempting to keep up with her wine habit (bad idea!) as well as eating the home made scones she brought with her. Oops.
However, a fab NSV today - went to Gap looking for some new jeans. Tried on the same type I currently wear and thought "hmm, bit gappy round the back", so asked for the next size down and they fitted!!! Not sure I could eat a three course meal whilst wearing them, but still! Didn't buy them in the end as they didn't have the colour I wanted but husband persuaded me into a lovely sundress instead.
All I need now is for summer to arrive.... smile

WipsGlitter Sat 11-May-13 21:52:55

Hi! I'm on about week three or four but only losing 1lb a week - is that right? Am finding it easy but was expecting more dramatic weight loss sad

dotty that's great! Sun should be about by Friday next week according to BBC weather for London!

wips 1lb a week is average on 5:2. Are you tracking food eg on MFP to make sure you're not eating too much when not fasting? Throw in some exercise too if you're not already? I lost 20lbs in 11 weeks but did a great deal of exercise and in last five weeks swapped one of my 500 cals days for a zero fast day.

WipsGlitter Sat 11-May-13 22:07:35

I am tracking but not on my non days! Was so focused on the fasting! Good idea. Am hoping to re-start c25k soon. But good to know its the average loss. Thanks.

WipsGlitter Sat 11-May-13 22:08:14

What's a zero fast? scared face

BetsyBell Sat 11-May-13 22:15:04

TiP Exactly, and my bicycle tyres don't need pumping up as often #unexpected benefits of 5:2 grin

wips 1lb a week is the way of it. It's not quick but it is consistent (when taken over an average of course...)

Talkinpeace Sat 11-May-13 22:18:18

Wipsglitter
once you get used to being hungry and know it wont kill you, its really relaxing to plan a single meal and eat NOTHING for just over 24 hours
a few hard core (like BreadandWine) do 36 hours but I like family supper each evening.

in my case I go from Sunday blowout roast lunch through to Monday supper without food most weeks - and that supper is a 500 cal soup ;-)

wips and frozen - I'm one of those irritating ones who have lost a ton of weight in the first few weeks of doing this. I've been treating this like a learning exercise rather than a diet per se. I have a lot of weight to lose, so I know its going to drop quickly to start with and will even out so trying not to let it go to my head. I'm not able to do much exercise other than walking with a buggy so try to make sure I do that as often as I can. I watch everything obsessively on MFP, but I'm a stats geek and this appeals to me blush. I started out with making sure I didn't go over 500 on FD, 2000 on NFD. Now I'm making sure I don't go over 1900 on NFD. I was so pleasantly surprised to find I could still have a choccie bar or bag of crisps occasionally (as well as wine) but its been majorly about limiting them for me unless I can 'afford' them. I now find I don't hanker after them at all. Though I'm currently on my second wine and have had some birthday cake today, as well as 3 balanced meals.

I hope that sort of helps you two a bit albeit in different ways.

Twinmama32 Sat 11-May-13 23:05:37

aka & elr I've had the exact same reactions its almost like I've stated I'm going to try an eating disorder for fun.... Then when their interest peaks, and it usually does, I get bombarded with a thousand questions, and "you've lost how much???!"

Although I must admit when I first heard of 5:2 my initial reaction was also something along the lines of "I'm not into faddy diets..." Goodness how wrong I was! blush

Talkinpeace Sat 11-May-13 23:13:04

A lovely friend at the gym who is in her late 60's started 5:2 in February.
She has just been remeasured for a bra - cup size unchanged but a 4 inch drop round the ribcage.
She goes in under her boobs rather than out
and frankly looks great
and HER friends are now convinced

Twinmama32 Sat 11-May-13 23:24:34

Wow that's impressive tip good on her!
To be honest I don't really care what people think all I know is that this is the healthiest and happiest I've felt in a long while. Anyways I've got you guys for moral support which is just fabulous....aw shucks blush

Wow tip - that's great for her. What a lovely result.

My mum was initially sceptical that her daughter was starving herself (and my nut job sister went crazy about it) but she's seen how good its doing me and has now started. She was very disappointed to start with as she hasn't lost much weight but she has a lot of pill related bloating so I convinced her to look elsewhere than the scales. She's noticed her bras are looser already. Sometimes the scales can't show the whole truth. Even the district nurse told her that if she felt better on it then she should carry on.

INeedThatForkOff Sun 12-May-13 07:32:12

Look at this this BBC article on the risk of dementia linked to obesity. This is shouting out to me:

Even those who were clinically overweight, a BMI between 25 and 30, were 71% more likely to develop dementia

^ that's me. If nothing else, that is my motivation for trying this WOE.

As an aside, I'm loving tracking on MFP. IT's showing me a happy medium between counting points on WW and binging when I feel like I've failed. 1900 cals is a lot to play with, even though I went over yesterday after drinks. I know I can balance that out over the course of the week with FDs and slightly fewer cals on NFDs.

akarucker Sun 12-May-13 08:38:48

Not weighing myself this morning was so hard...the first time in about 20 years I haven't stepped on the scales when I wake up.

Emilythornesbff Sun 12-May-13 09:16:41

Good going aka

So many ppl doing well here.

BetsyBell Sun 12-May-13 09:18:57

Forkoff Gosh that is interesting - especially the bit you've highlighted, definitely good motivation! Great that you're enjoying MFP smile I've been keeping a food & exercise diary for a while and I find it incredibly helpful, especially when I was starting out. I would often put down the naughty snack as I'd realise I'd have to type it all into my spreadsheet - it stopped the mindless eating and made me pay attention.

aka Which habit's harder to break? The chocolate or the weigh ins?!

I've done a good run this morning so now looking forward to eating a lovely Sunday roast at the in-laws' later. If I don't nibble in the evening then I can get a good head start on my Monday fast too. Interestingly, way before I started 5:2 I did notice from my food diary records that I would often lose weight after a big Sunday roast lunch and I was aware that having an early big meal then nothing in the evening was a good choice for me as I'd have a lovely big gap between my Sunday meal and breakfast on Monday.

Emilythornesbff Sun 12-May-13 09:21:55

Well done on your run betsybell. Exercise is hard without regular child are, I miss it.

Just checked my BMI, which is 22.3. So good, but I'd like to bring it down.

there are so many myths about food aren't there? i'm afraid i don't buy into the 5 a day business either - i think it's just another way of making you buy and eat more and there has been so much information leaking out about how much influence industry has over the healthy diet guidelines.

the body is very, very good at getting nutrition out of anything you give it. i seem to remember a show on the bbc about a child with eating phobias who had eaten nothing but white bread jam sandwiches his whole life and they gleefully ran a whole battery of tests with world experts and top equipment etc hoping to find all this stuff wrong with him and there was NOTHING - with the best testing in the world they couldn't prove, as they obviously wanted to, that he had anything wrong with him or that his physical development had been in any way affected.

clearly not recommending that as a way of eating but it does go to show that there is one hell of a lot of obsession with what we buy and consume that we just assume is backed up by hard science and reality. often it isn't. there are food stuffs out there legally on sale that we know are killers yet we believe the same food industry and governments when they tell us what is good for us. why would you trust an industry that says 'you must eat breakfast' when it also peddles glucose fructose syrup and trans fats into all of it's products? confused

sorry not sure where that came from.

Prawntoast Sun 12-May-13 09:30:07

Woke up this morning and decided to fast today, am close to the 9's and want to see whether slotting in an extra fast will do the trick. Also as ate out last night simply am not feeling hungry anyway. Other people's reactions have been interesting, a couple of colleagues at work have commented on the weight loss and are interested in IF, MIL is horrified about the whole idea of fasting and says I should do slimming world like she is. Only problem with that is she moans about being on a diet all the time so she's not a glowing endorsement for it! I'll be sticking to this woe thanks!
It's an interesting article about dementia, I do stress the other health benefits of this woe to others if they ask me about it but I don't think they see beyond the weight loss side of it.

BetsyBell Sun 12-May-13 09:32:40

Thanks Emily* It's why I like running - I go early, before everyone gets out of bed and am only out the house for 40mins - only works on sunny spring/summer mornings though! I am aware that this sounds impossible with infants in the house - I didn't even start considering an exercise habit (beyond pushing round a sodding pushchair for hours) until both kids were at school/preschool. Oh and I can't exercise with any food lurking in my stomach so it has to be before I've had a meal that day - easier on a fast day!

I'm currently aiming for 22 BMI, but will probably want a new target when I get there smile

prawn hahaha 'your diet is terrible, you should do mine, I hate it'. Not the best sales technique!

Morning all smile

saf and others if you want an alternative view on the cholesterol/5 a day/eat well plate/glucose-fructose syrup so-called 'food' industry have a look at Zoe Harcombe's work here.

wonderingagain Sun 12-May-13 10:11:15

SAF I agree with your slight rant there. Government health advice is so catch-all it misses the point for most people.

BetsyBell Sun 12-May-13 10:49:01

Absolutely agree saf, the so-called science behind much govt advice is sponsored by processed food companies hmm . I hadn't come across Harcombe before PPC, ta for the link.

monster54 Sun 12-May-13 10:58:21

Morning ladies,

Miserable couple of days binging om rubbish. Ridiculous emotional eating.

But no alcohol at all so hopefully saved some cals there....

I have started day 1 of the SQUAT CHALLENGE!!!! Who is with me?!? My legs and bum are my prob areas so hoping this will help!

wonderingagain Sun 12-May-13 11:39:15

After 3 NFDs involving lots of cake and booze I have put on 3lbs. I can handle that. Rapidly running out of calories for today but hoping for the best.

Dotty342kids Sun 12-May-13 12:07:18

Oh monster I'm on day 10 of the squat challenge smile, not finding it too bad so far, weirdly! I'm up to 110 today. No idea where i'm going to find the time to do 250! And not sure what difference it's making either but it's quite entertaining to try and do something a bit different.

Today am on an eating day but doing a mini fast which, for me, means nothing until teatime when I shall have a lovely roast dinner. Provided I just have 1-2 roast potatoes and have a skinless chicken breast which is the only bit I like anyway, then it comes in at about 600 cals.
Then proper fast on Monday as usual.

Hope you're all having lovely Sundays!

Squat challenge sounds seriously scary (I'd rather run 10k!!)

Not sure I'd call this a lovely Sunday, lesson planning and report writing on my agenda sad Best to get it done while I have the house to myself though.

Tortoiseontheeggshell Sun 12-May-13 12:44:53

aka et al, I absolutely won't tell anyone that I'm doing this diet. I mentioned it on Facebook in a reeeeaaaaallllly speculative way once, where the point of the post was totally not about the diet really, and I immediately got a slew of good friends, people who DON'T comment on weight/dieting usually and all of whom are more overweight than I am telling me that it was stupid, that the body would go into starvation mode, that I should look at WW instead, blah. And I'm like...you know, I am totally anti diet industry, I am not at all endorsing this diet (at the time I hadn't tried/researched it), but even i can see that the body won't be thrown into "famine mode" after one day of light eating. Sustained low calorie eating, like on WW, yes. Sporadic fasting, no.

So my plan is to say nothing, and then just one day be extremely slim and gorgeous. And smug. It's a good plan, I think you'll agree?

Hey, odd question. DH and I (he's doing this too) measured our waists at the biggest point today. OMFG, seriously. Both of us were utterly shocked, and couldn't meet each other's eyes properly. The more so, because we're both technically within 'healthy' BMI at the moment, espcially given that I have already lost 3lb in just under two weeks on this plan, although both clearly over where we should be for us. So, major eye opener there. But the weird part. A month ago, when I was at my heaviest, I bought a pair of jeans that fit really comfortably then, and are now a tiny smidge too big, which are 29" waist. My waist measurement today comes in at 36". (blush) ???????

tortoise that's odd...did you have the tape measure back to front?!! Or a carb blowout last night? Like your plan, btw!

akarucker Sun 12-May-13 13:06:31

tortoise the waist thing is the same for me. I measure a whopping 9" higher with a tape measure, than my jeans/trousers say I am! Something doesn't add up.....

And yes, I don't think I'm going to mention 5:2 again to anyone. I seem to get inappropriate comments when I'm fasting (starvation mode/not healthy/can't be good to starve yourself etc), and I get inappropriate comments on a NFD (I thought you were 'on a diet'! I see that didn't last long, blah, blah). Well, you know what.......I will do what I want, when I want, and if you don't like it, don't do it!!!!

i suspect clothes sizes are labelled to make us feel good rather than having any bearing on reality. you try on vintage dresses in your usual size and you can't get them over your legs ime.

will have a look at that link thanks.

Tortoiseontheeggshell Sun 12-May-13 13:32:54

SAF, sure, but I'm not looking at just the size - in fact I was in the US, the land of vanity sizing, so the dress size was an 8 instead of my usual 12, meaning that I was already disregarding it...but the waist explicitly says 29 inches. And I have bought several pairs of jeans that say 29 or 30", and it's not just about where on my waist they're hitting, because some are low rise and some high. DH had the same thing; he measured in at 37 inches, and his "fat jeans" are 32". Odd, but interesting that you're the same, akarucker.

(Also v depressing because I'm the same weight as I was 10 years ago, when I measured my waist for a corset and came up with 28 inches. Same weight, but seven inches more around the waist! Bloody children...)

Emilythornesbff Sun 12-May-13 14:24:22

tortoise is it possible that the waist you measured (being the "widest part" round your middle, is just in a diffent place from the "waist" (narrower part round middle) that the jeans label refers to? <confuses self>

eagle and prawn grin at " you should do my diet, i hate it"
There are definite some ppl i wouldn't "confess" my current WOE to. Can't be doing with that criticism -done -up -as -concern bollocks.

They don't work like bra sizes do they? Where you take your measurement and knock something off it to get the number. I have no clue what my waist measures or what waist my clothes are labeled so this is purely a guess.

BetsyBell Sun 12-May-13 14:49:13

Have you tried measuring the trousers out of interest?

I didn't tell anyone outside of immediate family when I started but now people can obviously see the results and ask how I've done it I'm happy to pass on all the info!

INeedThatForkOff Sun 12-May-13 16:19:14

It's no wonder that obesity is such a problem really is it, when someone can wear 32" jeans when in fact they have a 37" waist. Perception is just so skewed now that I and I think most people don't really understand what a healthy body looks like.

wow that zoe character is vitriolic about the 5:2 approach.

saf not so much about MM but the other book that was published. She does talk a lot of sense but I do disagree with her 5:2 opinions! Her argument is that if you eat well and don't overdo the carbs, you'll lose weight. I tried her regime a few years back but didn't find it something I could do longer term. I've lost more through 5:2 and am happy to continue with it.

Emilythornesbff Sun 12-May-13 16:59:07

That's it PPC isn't it? It's about being workable.

Emilythornesbff Sun 12-May-13 17:00:24

Although, I'm currently into a bit of 4:3.

INeedThatForkOff Sun 12-May-13 17:03:29

Michael Mosley loves MN doesn't he?! Are the quotes in his book from earlier versions if this thread?

Prawntoast Sun 12-May-13 17:06:45

Well lasted to 1pm when DP said we should go out for a bike ride, his idea of a bike ride is a good couple of hours going up and down hills, no way was I doing that with no food inside me, half an hour of exercise is my limit on a fast day, so had a small lunch, great ride, burnt about 800 calls, will have a light supper so will probably just eat my exercise calories today, that'll do me.

Emily, yes my MIL is an odd one and I wouldn't have told her what I was doing but she asked what I was doing, she is the only one who has had a negative response. My colleagues have been interested, I think they are daunted by the idea of a fast, as I was when I first started, I'll convert yet them yet!!

BsshBossh Sun 12-May-13 17:27:29

The trouser sizing is deliberate because if, with a 36 inch waist, you bought a 36 inch waist jean they would fall down. The waist size has to be smaller to stay up.

BsshBossh Sun 12-May-13 17:31:27

BTW I wrote that comment without knowing what I'm talking about. Was just guessing.

akarucker Sun 12-May-13 17:34:33

I'm just grateful I don't have to buy my 'actual' waist size jeans....

BsshBossh Sun 12-May-13 17:41:32

Me too aka grin

dines Sun 12-May-13 18:01:49

Hi I did jus post but it was on the other thread.. fast day for me tomorro..missed one last week and have put on 4 poundssadso really need to have a good week. Has anyo e else had a week off fasting and did tjey find it hard to get bk to it?

ellajayne Sun 12-May-13 18:11:14

I'm trying this diet as of tomorrow. I've done quite a bit of research and it doesn't seem detrimental to my health which is a good thing. I'm planning on fasting on a Tuesday and Thursday for the first week. Is two days a week enough to see results?

INeedThatForkOff Sun 12-May-13 18:35:06

Well, I've eaten this evening and don't plan to have anything more until 5.30 tomorrow when we're having a mushroom and Stilton omelette for tea. I've logged it on MFP already so I don't have to give it a thought tomorrow. Got some EBM put by on case it affects my supply and feel ready to give it a go smile

monster54 Sun 12-May-13 19:15:02

Ahhh goodo dotty fingers crossed I'll see some improvement in my lower region....I did find 50 tough!! But I do no other exercise!

I'm with you tortoise....I don't say anything to anyone just quietly crack on with my fasts and hopefully it'll keep on melting off!!

I know a few 'associates' have commented in a rather envious tone...I just say watching what I eat!!

i've just had a week off dines and have lost weight during it confused i have been having long fasts as is my way of eating anyway but not reducing calories consciously. it didn't feel right this week so i didn't do it and given i've lost weight i think i must have been hearing my body correctly. god knows.

will let you know if it's hard to get back into when i try fasting tomorrow.

Emilythornesbff Sun 12-May-13 19:53:12

Good luck for tomorrow ineedthatforkoff

I have just eaten homemade sponge cake for my pudding shock bit have dumped the 2/3 we didn't eat down the waste disposal in prep for to orrow's fast.
Going for a zero fast tomorrow, the. Fasting again on we'd and fri. shock

BetsyBell Sun 12-May-13 20:01:40

dines I took a week off for holiday and part of me was a bit reluctant but mostly I was looking forward to getting back on track.

ellajayne I've mostly done 5:2 and have lost, on average, 1lb a week. According to a larger survey of intermittent fasters on the www.52fastdiet.co.uk site (sorry haven't got exact link to the results to hand - it's on this thread or no.18 I think) the average loss for 5:2 and 4:3 was 1lb a week. Loss can be sudden or gradual, can slow down or stop, there might be some gains too but the overall trend is down if you stick to it.

BetsyBell Sun 12-May-13 20:05:09

Emily shock @ cake!

I have stuck to my plan today - indulgent lunch with pudding and wine and nothing more (except hot drinks) until tomorrow lunchtime when I'll have a light salad then soup for supper. Nice and easy 22 hour zero fast smile.

elastamum Sun 12-May-13 20:17:55

Have been lurking here for a while now. On my 3rd week 5:2 but so far havent lost any weight!

Want to lose the stone I put on after starting HRT a year ago. Prior to that my weight was very stable for about 2 yrs - started HRT, weight went up a stone in 8 weeks then stable again and I cant seem to shift it. I am pretty fit, walk about 5 miles a day (according to fitbit), keep horses and dogs. Have stopped drinking as well, cut down carbs on my eating days, BUT even though I feel loads better, I still cant lose the weight sad.

Must be doing something wrong (or should I just grit my teeth and try 4;3). Need to crack this before summer comes or I will need to buy more clothes.

Anyone got any suggestions? grin

Talkinpeace Sun 12-May-13 20:31:58

Ineedthatforkoff
MM did indeed base bits of his book and website on the early variants of this thread.
Many of us on the maintainers are in fact quoted on his website!
BUT
his reserachers did ask our permission first.

He helped us find a way to be healthry.
we made him enough money to keep digging at the food industry
win win in my book

ceebeegeebies Sun 12-May-13 20:41:34

I haven't had any negative comments about it - maybe I have been lucky?? I do have one colleague who asks me how I am doing every week which is starting to get annoying because I am saying the same thing every time, particularly as I am not weighing myself.

Anyway, have had a good weekend...lots of food, chocolate and wine wink but lots of exercise and I have definitely had a shift in weight as I can tell by looking smile am so pleased considering what I have eaten on my NFDs, it definitely doesn't feel like a diet.

if anyone is lurking and not sure about giving it a go because of the fear of fasting, I used to fear hunger to the point that I had to have food with me at all times but this WOE has totally changed me and I can actually leave the house without knowing where my next meal is coming from which is a real turning point smile smile plus I actually look forward to my fast days (even though I am still finding them difficult)

if only I can crack the mindless snacking that I still do hmm

ellajayne and ineed good luck for fasting tomorrow.

I've done a zero cal fast day today rounded off with a 5 mile run this evening grin I know I will go to bed dreaming of what I'll have breakfast (and I know there are two pain au chocolat in the cupboard!)

welcome elasta I remember you from the dating thread about 2.5 years ago when I met DP (have nc multiple times since then!) Sorry to hear it's not working for you so far. 4:3 is a step too far for me but some can tolerate it. Are you counting calories on non-fast days?

INeedThatForkOff Sun 12-May-13 21:53:08

I've done a zero cal fast day today rounded off with a 5 mile run this evening

That is hardcore.

I'm hungry already, not quite four hours in grin

mam29 Sun 12-May-13 21:59:44

Thinking giving this diet a go?

does zero fast mean eat nothing at all for 24hours? thourght it was 500cal a day for 2/7days?

anyone altered and done 3days free eating and 4days fasting?

baffled how it works as surly non fast days people tend to binge?

Talkinpeace Sun 12-May-13 22:07:59
Southeastdweller Sun 12-May-13 22:12:38

elasta Take a good honest look at what you're eating on your NFD's. Maybe do a food diary. I would also consider upping your exercise. 4:3 is as you say another consideration which for me is no problem - give it a go and see how you get on.

To me, 4:3 is hardcore!

I got up this morning and decided to eat when hungry, got stuck in to school work (still only two subjects of one child's report written, not the amount of progress I wanted) and waited for hunger to kick in....

Still waiting!!

mam29 yes, 500 cals twice a week is normal, but I'm maintaining and what works for me is 6:1 instead of 5:2. If a zero fast makes me drop too much more weight (BMI already 20 point something) I'll do normal fast days instead. When I say I'm maintaining, it's a week tomorrow that I reached my goal weight so I haven't exactly got it all figured out yet!

Tortoiseontheeggshell Mon 13-May-13 00:34:22

mam29, this is the surprising thing about this diet - no, most of us don't tend to binge on NFDs. I'm not calorie tracking, and I'm coming off a VERY indulgent way of eating prior to this, and I haven't consciously made any changes to my diet on NFDs...but I find that I am naturally eating better things, and less of them. And DH is the same. Thursday was our last fast day, and he said he was fantasising all day about an egg and bacon toasted sandwich. So Friday he got up and made himself one...and left half of it. I really think this is the magic of the thing, and it's what people 'on the outside' don't understand, because it seems like yeah, you would binge. But one doesn't.

I'm even now finding that my habits are changing on the day before a fast day...today is Monday morning here, a fasting day for me, and last night I felt peckish late in the evening. Usually that's time to pull out the cheese and crackers, but I find that if I have a late snack, especially if it's high GI, I struggle more the next morning. So I had a big glass of milk instead, and sure enough, I'm managing nicely this morning. Ditto wine: I can't drink much on the day before a fast day, I find that more than a glass or two and I feel a real need for carbs in the morning. So now I'm not drinking on fast days, and not drinking on the days before fast days, and that's four AFDs a week. Which for me, someone whose calorie intake was largely wine-related, is huge.

Emilythornesbff Mon 13-May-13 06:54:03

That's good tortoise
Initially I was naturally " good" on a NFD but this past week I lost control with my old fiend friend sugar. On a fast day I can reassure myself that "I can have that tomorrow" but last week on a NFD I was like "I cant have that tomorrow so I'm gonna eat it all ^now^"

Got to stop that right now.
Anyway. Fasting today and I need to ice a batch of cupcakes for a bake sale. grin

ChesterDrawers Mon 13-May-13 06:54:08

Starting my third fast today. Am aiming to go 36 hours again but I will see how I cope. Finished my glass of wine and chocolate at 9pm last night so planning nothing but water til 9am tomorrow.

Am glad there are lots of posts for me to catch up on when I am struggling smile

INeedThatForkOff Mon 13-May-13 06:56:18

Well I've just woken up from a dream about fasting, so I feel like I've done half a day already confused

Morning all smile

I need to get a grip on this maintaining lark. Bssh suggested trying 6:1 with the fast being zero (since I was already doing some of those) and since reaching goal weight I've done two zero fasts and eaten around TDEE the other days. I did this week's fast yesterday because it suited me best. With each fast I have lost another 600g, so about 3lbs in total. Doesn't sound like a lot, but that takes me to 8st 7.5lbs which is lower than I was aiming for.

Seems like I need to eat more or fast less or both! I also feel sick and light headed this morning despite being absolutely fine all day yesterday. Bleugh...

chester hope your fast goes well.

bloody hell postman ,wish I could get lower than what Im aiming for!
Im changing fast days to Tues/ Thurs which does seem a bit odd that Im not fasting today..but trying to ' surprise ' my body into dropping weight more quickley..someone else did this and doubled their losses( think it was Peplum?). This is week 16 and still only a 10 lb loss in total..
slow..slow..quick.slow..slow....
Good luck all fasters today..

morning smile

well today i am 10st10.6. i am spontaneously dropping weight - i am NOT complaining but it is quite strange. in a week where i haven't managed any 500cal days i've lost 3.2lbs. i even put a new battery in my scales to check they weren't just on the blink grin

i can honestly only put this down to the massages getting my lymphatic system going again and i'm looking forward to another one on friday. i've lost more in a week off than i have in any week for quite some time confused

bit baffled as to whether i should be fasting today or leaving well alone given i'm losing weight. i will stick to black coffee and water all day which i find easy anyway and see how i feel tonight. i 'think' i'm still getting the health benefits simply because i actually naturally fast for around 20hrs a day anyway most days simply because that's how my appetite works. presumably if you do that but don't calorie restrict at the end you get the health benefits still?

i'm kind of in the 'if it 'aint broke' way of thinking at the minute.

monster54 Mon 13-May-13 07:28:07

Well done saf that is amazing. I've had a rollercoaster of a few days.

Starting a fresh with a fast today. I need to get back on track. I am on day 2 of the squat challenge but I will do those before bed if my legs will allow! They are sore today!!

I have a full body massage tonight saf I wonder if it will make any change for me!

monster54 Mon 13-May-13 07:29:17

Oh and I'm going to have another hardcore 4:3 week this week! Try and get back on 1lb for every week!!

akarucker Mon 13-May-13 07:30:52

saf see, the best things come to those who wait...

It's driving me nuts not to weigh myself. This is only the second morning of not knowing. I didn't realise how addicted and reliant I was on the scales. Usually, I'll base my day upon the scale reading. It will be interesting to see what I do without that gage each morning.

you'll need it with all those squats monster grin really hope it has the same effect for you it has done for me.

what is this squat challenge? squats hurt but i know they're great for core muscles.

aka when are you going to weigh now - weekly?

akarucker Mon 13-May-13 07:35:55

I'm going to try just weekly for a while.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 13-May-13 07:43:04

Weekly sounds good. Better than my morning-after-a-fast-day routine.

4pm here and I've had 100 cals, one skim coffee and one miso. Feeling great. Much easier than my last fast day. Was going to make baked soy-ginger white fish parcels with greens, but have no fish. Do I risk the supermarket or come up with alternative?

BsshBossh Mon 13-May-13 07:43:09

postman I'm not following my own advice. I really enjoy the habit and discipline of 5:2 (including a zero cal 36 hour fast) and am now 3 lbs under my target goal and still losing. I'll see how it goes in a few weeks. This maintaining business is all experimentation for me.

Dotty342kids Mon 13-May-13 08:19:14

headintheclouds that's pretty much the same loss as me, in a similar time. How much more are you aiming for? I'm conscious that all my clothes are now fitting me nicely. I'd like to lost another 3-4lbs. After that I'm probably still not going to be in a healty BMI range but it'd mean having to ditch all my current wardrobe and buy a new load of clothes which I really don't want to have to do!
Anyway, am a long way off that yet as, like you, loss is quite slow and I'm away on holiday in just over two weeks so that'll scupper me a bit.

saf, that's terrific news! So pleased for you. I've had quite an over indulgent few days so was mightily relieved that I'd not bounced back to 11st something this morning. Was still hovering around 10st12-13. Please let me have seen the back of the 11's grin

And for the first time on the squat challenge I've got sore thighs this morning and have got a zumba class and 130 squats to face today!

INeedThatForkOff Mon 13-May-13 08:48:32

Surprisingly, after just two days tracking on MFP at around 1950 cals (I'm BFing) I've already got rid of 2 lbs. I'm not really expecting them to stay off, but it shows me how much I was putting away before blush

I weighed this morning , and stayed the same .

Not surprised , I only managed one fast day last week ( was meant to fast on Thursday , but it rained like it was the middle of winter , and I had to stay up til 1 am to collect DD . Just couldn't do it )

Had a bit of a heavy on the wine weekend ( oops ) so pleased to stay the same really .

MayTheOddsBeEverInYourFavour Mon 13-May-13 09:03:45

Morning everyone

I weighed myself today as it has been two weeks since I started and I am 7lbs down grin I have loads to lose so its not as good as it sounds but I am so happy. It hasn't been a struggle at all, I can't believe something so 'easy' is actually working

So I have to say thanks again to you all, without these threads popping up in active convos I never would have started grin

Looking forward to my fast day today

GoodtoBetter Mon 13-May-13 09:05:51

Hello all! Today is my 3rd fast day and I'm feeling peckish grin. Weighed myself this morning (I'm going to weigh weekly) and I've lost a kilo (2lbs) in my first week, so I'm quite pleased with that. I'm not calorie counting on fast days as such because I have to eat with the kids for my main meal and I don't want to eat something different and start ww3 about them not eating theirs (they're 5 and 2). So, I fast til lunch and then I try to eat a small portion minus any carbs and bulk it out with some extra veg. Today is Spanish chickpea stew, which from my googling seems maybe to be about 200 cals if I avoid the bits of chorizo (which I do anyway). Then I'll have some fruit later.Yesterday was DM's birthday and tomorrow is DD's 2nd birthday so there was cake yesterday and there'll be cake tomorrow, in fact I will be baking DD's cake today....maybe I'm mad??

monster54 Mon 13-May-13 09:19:48

30 days and increasing the number of squats with some rest days in there too....google it saf and it'll give you the numbers. I don't know how I'm going to do 55 tonight with such sore thighs!!!

Will give it a bash. My bottom and thighs are my problem areas so hoping this combined with 5:2 or 4:3 for the next couple of weeks to speed things up....Should see some good progress...

I was 11st 3lbs a week or so ago and the 10's are in my sight.....I NEED to get there!

I will be over the moon when I do!!! Has been a good few years since I've seen them!

Badvoc Mon 13-May-13 09:31:08

Started today...
Not ideal as I am feeling pretty rubbish.
Had scrambled egg for bfast as I didn't eat much yesterday.
Am planning on an apple later and a 90 cal cup a soup.
I think that makes 500 cals.
I am also going to low carb on my non fast days as I feel better when I do.

plecofjustice Mon 13-May-13 09:51:55

Just started another 4:3 week. Need more coffee!.......

ponygirlcurtis Mon 13-May-13 09:58:13

Morning all. Weekend was a bit of a feast time, bit scared to go and put it all into MFP tbh! More because I think I didn't eat as much or drink as much as I normally do, but I'm worried that it'll still have been too much. Having said that, I'm finding that I'm not eating breakfast most days now - just not feeling hungry. And yesterday, didn't manage lunch either because DS2 was so poorly that he was howling and couldn't be put down. Have to say, it wasn't as difficult as I thought to make it to 5pm without eating anything bar a couple of breadsticks. But I was sufficiently distracted by lots of howling, maybe that's the trick.

I have to admit I jumped on the scales at my mum's before our normal Sunday dinner. blush I seem to be a couple of lbs down, but I'm going to try and not weigh in properly till maybe next Friday, as I suspect I'm losing a lot of bloating from water, etc. I must drink more (liquids, not gin!) - when I did Lighter Life, which is basically 400-500 calories a day, we were meant to drink 4l of water a day!!!! peed like a racehorse for months

Fourth fast day today, already had some water and a mint tea, got my tin of soup for lunch and a nice ready meal to bulk out with salad and veg for dinner.

Ok, I've googled. I'm up for the squat challenge. My sprained SI ligaments are feeling a lot better and I'm hoping if I split these up and go slowly it'll help them rather than hurt them. God knows I need to tone as well as lose weight.

Miffytastic Mon 13-May-13 10:07:58

Morning, fasting today with chronic PMT. Wish me luck!

Feeling a bit of a fail at the moment - didn't track at the weekend, and didn't exercise either. Mind you whilst I did eat normally, although with a couple of pieces of pie and crumble.... but I didn't pig out and get all bloaty so that's good I suppose.
The scales are still showing 10.3 /10.4 depending on where I measure so... not expecting much movement, but at least I'm fasting today so that's something eh?

SAF hurray for random losses :D and Postman I'd say maybe you could switch to something like 10:1 IYSWIM? a fast every week and a half or something...?

Morning Miffy I am on a fast day and not feeling it today either. Really hard with PMT.

I am on week fiver now and stupidly didn't weigh myself until halfway through week three as it was the first time I felt able to get on scales for about 2 years blush.

I am 12.5 stone and want to get down to 10 stone so trying to stick to 1300 a day for non fast days which I've been managing except for this Saturday when I shoveled a Chinese takeaway down me

But god I'm hungry today

GoodtoBetter Mon 13-May-13 10:21:42

DD's cake in the oven, but think I broke my fast early by liking the cake mixture off the spoon grin

GoodtoBetter Mon 13-May-13 10:22:16

ooops..licking, not liking!

NoForkNKnife Mon 13-May-13 10:29:12

This thread moves so quick! I catch up, then get distracted with baby; come back and it's moved on again!

FD here and I'm actually really psyched up. I had a pretty bad weekend. Not even put of then ordinary for me sad but I had been planning on being more sensible. Don't think I've lost any weight (I weighed this morning before expressing blush ) but it's not a full week yet.

Very jealous of hearing all the talk of 10,9 and even 8 stone something! It's been 7 years since I was 9 stone something. And now it's 13 stone something, I realise I've been in denial. Thing is, I told myself it wasn't too much of an issue because until 6 months ago, I was still wearing the same size clothes! Don't really know how-I must have looked ridiculous.

Extra good luck to those of us bf. there seems to be a few of us? I didn't notice a difference last FD (I'm exclusively expressing as DD2 is a 29 weeker and due to weight gain issues (ironic) on need to know how much she's taking).

Happy fasting smile.

ELR Mon 13-May-13 10:51:36

Morning all. Fasting today really fancied a cup of tea earlier but didn't weaken and had a black coffee instead and now feeling fine!
Just googled the squat challenge and completed day one! My problem with things like that is I forget and then can't be bothered I'm hoping that reading this thread everyday to see how everyone id doing will be good motivation to carry on.
aka I used to weigh every day then moved it to every other and now am just weighing weekly although this s only my second week of weekly weighing its just so much better and almost takes the pressure off if that makes sense?

I've got a job interview tomorrow first one in 11 years which is a little scary! But at least I am nice and slim and look good in my chosen outfit! Luckily the job is just something I fancy doing rather than having to get a job so feel a little less pressure but still want it of course!

Good luck everyone who is fasting today!

BetsyBell Mon 13-May-13 10:56:31

Fast day, I managed 20 hours before breaking - I suspect my calories weren't very high yesterday despite the big lunch as I'd been for quite a long (for me) run in the morning! Was feeling a bit wobbly so I ate an apple and drank some chamomile tea, order has now been restored!

You were right to listen to your bod saf, I know you didn't fast as such (apart from your natural routine) but did you find yourself making better eating choices compared to say 2 or 3 months ago do you think? It's why I like to keep a food diary - our perceptions of what normal or overeating changes quite dramatically and it's interesting to contrast how it changes. That might apply to you miffy - it's worth getting it all down on record as it may turn out to be not nearly as bad as you think.

BetsyBell Mon 13-May-13 10:58:12

I am considering the squat challenge too - did a few yesterday but didn't count them so I haven't actually started - just warming up!

Good luck with the interview ELR! flowers

Dotty342kids Mon 13-May-13 11:00:15

ELR, good luck with the job interview! Squat challenge is def a challenge. I'm on about day 11, did 105 yesterday and am definitely feeling it today grin. My knees are starting to hurt though so not sure how I'm going to get on with 130 today!

monster54 Mon 13-May-13 11:08:54

I'm like John Wayne today! I might have to have an enforced rest day today and start again tomorrow!! Will see how it wears off throughout the day!

Fast day here too! Much needed! I feel rank and super bloated but I'm mid cycle. Does anyone else get this bloat?

monster54 Mon 13-May-13 11:14:09

I'm with you poj....we can do this!! Ridiculous rumbles from my tum this morning!!!

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 13-May-13 11:51:57

SlightlyJaded, I think the general wisdom out there is that eating too far under your TDEE on non fast days (sorry, I can't abide "feed days") actually slows your loss? So if it feels too restrictive, the 5:2 gurus will agree that you can eat a bit more!

Good luck all you fasting people. Especially those of you with PMT. I always find that the day before AF arrives I just cannot get full - and it really feels like proper stomach hunger, not just cravings.

Over here it's evening. DH and I just ate dinner, but I am still only at 350 cals for the day (he'd eaten lunch, so I kept dinner down to 250 for us both). Fancy some popcorn later, I think. We're going to fast again Wednesday - I do a sport on Wednesday nights, but might try eating all my cals before going out to the sport and see if that's okay...I'm wondering how it'll feel to have four eating days in a row after that, or if I'll be tempted to do a 4:3 this week and try for Friday as well. Crazy talk from someone who was eating family bags of crisps a month ago.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 13-May-13 11:56:05

BsshBossh and Postman, you two are very much confusing me. You're at goal weight, you're both still losing weight, and you're...not taking this as permission to dive headfirst into a pile of fried chicken? Are you seriously saying that you enjoy fasting to the point where you will do it voluntarily, despite it having an effect you no longer desire? It's like this crazy through-the-looking-glass world, reading your posts.

INeedThatForkOff Mon 13-May-13 12:05:23

I have a really bad stitch down my left side. Has any one else had this problem while fasting? Maybe just coincidence.

frenchfancy Mon 13-May-13 12:06:58

Tortoise they are not the only ones. I am at goal weight (well I was 2lbs under goal), last week I only did one fast as it was a bank holiday weekend here. I not only put on 3lb, but I feel sluggish and bloated. I'm fasting today and starting to feel more alive. I will probably stick to 2 fasts a week for the long term.

It is not that I enjoy fasting as such, but I enjoy the way fasting makes me feel.

OMG I want some fried chicken now.

Miffytastic Mon 13-May-13 12:24:11

Betsy you're right - I scribbled down what I could remember fromwhen I stopped tracking on Friday (tea time, which was followed by cocktails....!) and it's not that bad. I've taken a wild guess how much the homemade rhubarb goodies, but with that MFP comes out at 9000 for the week, which is lower than my recommended cal intake of 12,250

GoodtoBetter Mon 13-May-13 12:29:09

Fried chicken.....Mmmmm.

So far today I've had a cinnamon tea, a white coffee with one sugar and I've licked the beaters after making the sponge cake. Now about to have some Spanish chickpea stew and then head to work. Tomorrow is DD's birthday so will be eating cake. smile.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 13-May-13 12:54:44

Oops, sorry all! Off to the recipe thread in penance.

tortoise I've been vegetarian for 30 years so have no difficulty at all in resisting fried chicken! However, in the last four days I have had chips, no tjust one but FOUR pain au chocolat, a 200 cal bar of Dairy Milk, a massive bag of peanut M&Ms split over three days and I've just had a baked potato with cheese and butter for lunch. Do I sound like I'm on a diet?! I have also kept close to my TDEE (1600) and burned off 1300 cals in two gym visits.

I miss fasting if I don't do it, but I think I need to do it less often! DP is away for another 10 days and he said to me not to lose any more weight while he is gone. I have lost 3.5lbs since he left 10 days ago blush

ChesterDrawers Mon 13-May-13 13:21:42

Just passed the 16 hour mark and holding firm on nothing but water despite the foody smells in the office. In fact I've not really had any hunger pangs yet so hoping my body is cottoning on to this fasting lark.

I've just bought some new nail varnish to give me something to do tonight. May as well improve myself while trying to keep my mind off food.

Emilythornesbff Mon 13-May-13 13:40:49

HUNGRY
I've made, bought and sold a batch of chocolate cakes having eaten nothing since last night's supper.
Ds is tucking into spaghetti and pesto and my mouth is watering. This red bush tea is not currently cutting the proverbial mustard. sad
I was going for a zero 36 hour fast but I think 24 (broken by a bowl of lentil soup at supper) might be my limit.

ponygirlcurtis Mon 13-May-13 13:44:28

Just had a look at my MFP stuff and realised that I am inadvertently doing 4:3 in my first week! I started this WOE last Tuesday, fasted on Tuesday and Friday, and am fasting again today. Also, my calorie intake across the week should normally be around 1,800 (according to TDEE), so in order to lose a LB a week, I should be consuming around 9,500 calories/week. So far, it looks like I'm going to come in at around 7,500 for the 7 days.

I haven't been particularly hungry, but I have been making a conscious attempt to not eat rubbish, and to not give in to constant snacking. I know I'm just starting, and maybe this will give me a jump start, but I don't want to sabotage myself by not eating enough. Should I be eating more on my NFDs?

Badvoc Mon 13-May-13 13:45:12

Use ordered a graze box!

Dotty342kids Mon 13-May-13 13:55:39

God, I am ravenous today! I definitely think that snacking the night before a fast day does something horrid to you. I'm definitely more hungry than I would normally be on a fast day after a roast chicken dinner for tea yesterday which I followed during the evening with a bag of crisps and a mini Magnum. It's going to kill me to get to 6pm tonight grin

BsshBossh Mon 13-May-13 14:00:02

Tortoise I'm continuing to fast for the health benefits but also because fasting makes me feel energetic and clear-headed. I'm Indian so perhaps I'm genetically pre-disposed towards enjoying fasting <tongue a little bit in cheek> grin.

BsshBossh Mon 13-May-13 14:02:01

PS Tortoise I still eat fried chicken (though homemade), pizza, chocolate, crisps.

akarucker Mon 13-May-13 14:10:20

Did somebody say fried chicken???

mttum Mon 13-May-13 14:13:57

tortoise I enjoy it! Three NFDs in a row, and I couldn't wait to fast today. Yes, for the weight loss, but I too love how I feel when fasting. Never thought I would ever say that! smile

mam29 Mon 13-May-13 14:23:00

Struggling and only day 1 wanted to try do 4/3 with today being 1st fast day.

im on my 3rd cup coffee skimmed milk but 2teapoons sugar 30cals a cup then.
.
for breckfast well brunch as was after am school run.

1small wholegrain 400g slice of bread as toast 85cals
sliver of low fat butter
1scrambled egg with dash of skimmed milk.
some mushrooms which are low cal and low carb
so guess around 200caks for brunch

3coffees=reckon least 100cals.

where I went horribly wrong is is making lunch for kids

had 1 low far wrap 130cals with tiny bit grated cheese and some cherry tomatoes so estimate that to possibly be 200-250cals not sure.

so already im up to 500cals and feel hungry.

was hoping to make homemade soup and have 1 small brown roll for dinner but that would push me over.

could this plan work if was on 800cals rather than 500?

or should i just drink water for rest of day.

was going to do day 1step 1 of shred as younger 2preschool but ended up answering emails and wasting time. guess if gets all 3kids bed early could do it later.

have 2mile walk to do this afternoon as 2schools 1.2miles apart.
eldest primary school 1.2miles from my house each way so already walked 2miles this morning but dont think walking alone is enough need to get back into exercise again. hubbys on late not sure what time hes home and looks like rain so would have gone for a run.

havent really starved at all today but feel really hungry is this normal?

mam it is normal to feel hungry when you're first starting out. It does get easier though. You need to find your way of dealing with it. I personally drink water and if the pangs get too much I go for a diet cola or a tea, so something more flavourful. For some reason it seems to trick my brain a bit. I found eating for brekkie made it worse so I try to go through until dinner now.

Don't think starting off with 800 cals is going to do much harm either, you can aim to cut down to 500 as you get more into it.

BsshBossh Mon 13-May-13 14:39:59

mam it's your first ever fast day, of course 800 cals is fine. Don't write today off, it will get easier for you as you do more and get used to it.

BsshBossh Mon 13-May-13 14:41:34

I think Breadandwine, who is our veteran faster here started off on 1000 cals for his early fasts. Now he can go a few days without food!

ponygirlcurtis Mon 13-May-13 14:50:29

mam, I'm new to this as well, but my first day's fast was probably around 650 in the end, and the next was about 550. Today I'm aiming for 500. Not sure if I'm right about this, but I think part of the point of it is reducing your calorie intake as a kind of 'detox', and making sure to go without any calories for at least 16hrs at some point, to allow your cells to repair. I have been trying to have dinner around 7pm on a FD, then not eat breakfast the next NFD day to give me a 16hr+ stretch.

Have I got that right?

virginposter Mon 13-May-13 15:43:16

mam you are doing just fine, some people need to go down gradually until they reach 500 cals. This is not a competition but a very flexible woe which when you get used to it is wonderful.
Here's a tip, as you do more fasts, try to push breakfast back an hour at a time until you are missing it out altogether. Then try the same with lunch if you can until you are just eating an evening meal of 500 ish. We do this because once you start eating it seems as though a 'hunger switch' turns on and makes us more hungry.
If you can't manage to go all day until evening, still try to miss breakfast as you may find this easier to stick with.
Good luck smile

virginposter Mon 13-May-13 15:44:46

mam also try to eat more protein and cut out the carbs as they are high in calories and also make you hungry.

Dotty342kids Mon 13-May-13 15:47:33

ponygirl, Yes, the idea is to go as long as possible on a fasting day to give your body maximum "repair" time. You're doing really well to get to 7pm before eating. I only manage that now and I've been doing this since mid Feb smile

ravenous today. came home from work and ate a packet of dry roasted peanuts. today will not be a fast day.

betsy i've maybe been eating a bit less but nothing to account for the amount of weight loss by a long stretch. i totally don't believe the x amount of calories equals x amount of weight on or off because it's so totally alien to what my body actually does.

about to heat a big bowl of stew before i end up snacking on rubbish through hunger.

INeedThatForkOff Mon 13-May-13 15:54:43

I'm ravenous, but so bloody minded that I will make it until 6 o' clock when I'm going to savour a mushroom and Stilton omelette and a yoghurt. I had to handle a choc Hobnob for DD before, and turned down birthday cake at my gran's. DF gave me a pack of Cadbury's Freddos for DD which are calling me from in my bag. It's amazing how much crap food crosses your path in the course of a day.

Nursing a black earl grey and looking forward to 6pm.

monster54 Mon 13-May-13 15:56:43

Ok just realised due to commitments I'm going to have to consecutive fast tomorrow!!!

Urrrrghhhhh!!!! Wish me luck!