5:2 Diet thread! Number 17- ready for Spring! Any day now!

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GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 08-Apr-13 13:21:14

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here. smile

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

ooh did i get the first post?

yay! this is the thread where i shall be falling rapidly through the 10's, weight falling off of me like water off of a duck's back.

that's right isn't it?

WhitingLikeTheFish Mon 08-Apr-13 13:25:21

Right I'm off out with the dog and won't return until I've burnt all those chocolate calories (682!!!) thought I'd get in on the new thread.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 08-Apr-13 13:26:20

That's absolutely right grin

For my part, I'm getting a bit more exercise in now that the weather is (kind of) brightening up. I'm hoping to focus a bit more and finally shift a few more pounds this month.

Fast day today. I need a cup of tea.

Breadandwine Mon 08-Apr-13 13:28:13

Well, done, GE - I must admit I had visions of doing a quick cut and paste job myself! shock

But, of course, I needn't have worried! thanks

Dotty342kids Mon 08-Apr-13 13:33:46

Yup, well done and thanks to greeneggs as usual smile

greenfig Mon 08-Apr-13 13:36:56

Thanks greeneggs Spring is def in the air here too, which has got to help matters!
whiting I inexplicably put 5lbs on a few weeks ago but it was all gone again the next week. It was hard not to let the disheartening feeling allow me to sabotage everything but I kept on track & all was fine smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 08-Apr-13 13:38:37

B&W I'll pretend as if I planned it that way and wasn't at all lost in ordering a folding table online for a party this weekend. grin

Thanks everyone. thanks

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 08-Apr-13 13:39:42

Good job greenfig! I appreciate this WOE in that it's easy for me to keep up with it, so if I have holidays or nights out etc, I can just pick up with fasting once that's done.

Breadandwine Mon 08-Apr-13 13:41:22

Just caught part of a conversation between Jane Garvey and Sally Traffic on R2 (avoiding R4 and R5, ATM, it's wall-to-wall Thatcher on there!).

Apparently Sally is practicing IF - she's gone from 5:2 to 6:1, which Jane took as her having 'ditched' 5:2. Sally said it has worked for her and, if need be, she'd 'go back on it'.

There's still a widespread perception, not helped by Dr M and Mimi's books, that IF is a diet only. When, as we know, it's a WOL!

Oops, now R2 has caught the Thatcher bug! R2/Classic FM, here I come.

Oh, actually, I've just remembered this:

webplayer.radiosvizzeraclassica.ch/?lang=en

Swiss classical radio station - with NO adverts! smile

ellenbrody Mon 08-Apr-13 13:42:28

swallowed I wish it didnt come off my boobs, but that's always the first place (DH is most miffed!!), feel free to post me some of your spare boobage!

Breadandwine Mon 08-Apr-13 14:00:21

I meant R3/Classic FM, of course! blush

I was going to post this on the last thread, but thought I'd wait for the new one:

Couple of other things that helped me when I first switched from 3 small meals on my fast days to just one <600 cal meal in the evening:

I thought I deserved some sort of a treat during the day, so I made up a flask of good filter coffee (as good as a cafetiere, I've found!) in the morning and sipped on it through the day. Now I just fill it with hot water.

As a distraction, I would spend just a couple of minutes looking back at some of the old threads - they're always worth a visit. And I would mentally go over all the hidden health benefits that are accruing - even when your plateauing, you're still doing good things to your body.

I strongly recommend a look at the Tips and Links thread. Even those of us who've been on here for a while can find something new on the blogs which people are updating all the time.

Just noticed your 'euphoric' comment, Blue2 - this is another, very welcome, side effect to this WOL, I find! smile

you wouldn't want mine ellen trust me. if i won the lottery tomorrow i'm afraid a breast reduction would be high on the shopping list to have them tidied up. all ethics would go out the window.

B&W i'm swimming in facebook status' and arguments re: thatcher currently - wouldnt dare turn tv or radio on!

bugsyburge Mon 08-Apr-13 14:09:25

thank you for the new thread grin

sweetkitty Mon 08-Apr-13 14:11:57

Oops posted in wrong thread blush just marking my place

Miffytastic Mon 08-Apr-13 14:19:06

Can I repost my whinge on this new thread... I am GAINING at the moment not losing?

Well I weighed myself again yesterday like a fool and I was up another pound! what is that about?
So at my lowest about 3 weeks ago I was 10-3 and a bit then the following week 10-5, bought some new scales and then Friday was still 10-5 and now 10-6.... help! I am still fasting 2 days a week but TBH being a bit more relaxed on my feasting days but I counted the other day and despite thinking I'd eaten rubbish (tunnocks teacake, chocolate etc) I was still under TDEE
Both scales were electronic BTW and in the same bit of floor.

Anyway, am fasting today and will probably do Wednesday as my second this week. Just trying not to feel disheartened..

BetsyVanBell Mon 08-Apr-13 14:20:51

Thanks Greeneggs! So tomorrow will so definitely be fasting. I'm finding it very hard to STOP eating today blush.

You know how lots of us have found that fasting helps stop the craving and bingeing? I'm starting to conclude that stopping fasting has quickly taken me back to wanting to eat all of the time. I'm annoyed with it now so hopefully setting me in the right frame of mind for abstaining tomorrow. I've been eating sizeable breakfasts for a week now so it'll be a difficult morning. OH has one more day off work so I should take full advantage and get out of reach of the kitchen and ideally out for a run... it's been a while since i put on my running shoes! I know I love once I get going, it's just the getting going that's the hurdle (and I think I mean that about running and fasting wink).

SaF Your celebratory lunch sounds like a nice thing smile Please do shout at me in the morning, I'm going to need fasting buddies tomorrow...

ELR Mon 08-Apr-13 14:20:55

Well done on new thread green eggs. Today is my 15th fast and it really does get easier so keep at it newcomers. Feel like eating something but I know it's just because I'm bored, right time together the hoover out!

mehefin Mon 08-Apr-13 14:28:18

Thank you GreenEggs

smile Swallowed

I have had a good fast day so far . Off to bed soon before my nights so will have a small bite to eat before hand.

Hope the rest of the day goes well for all fasters

Dotty342kids Mon 08-Apr-13 14:28:24

Miffytastic stick at it! Perhaps look at your TDEE each day for a week or so just to make sure you're on track - one day isn't enough and I know how I'm sometimes surprised to see the calorie content of some foods - some people here may remember my heart failure when I discovered the calorie content of my home made spaghetti bolognese grin!

Treacleq Mon 08-Apr-13 14:31:12

Hi all,

Fasting again today. That Easter weekend really was a bugger - missed one fast a week for two weeks and the changing clocks have left me a bit disorientated!

Trying to get back into the rhythm this week with a Monday and Weds fast! I keep feeling a bit miffed that I haven't lost anything for a few weeks but trying to remember that 7 lbs over 5 weeks is ok smile

Well done saf I don't think Ill be seeing less than 11st ever but that would be a four stone loss hmm I'm just trying to get below 15 atm!

you'll get there if you keep going long enough treacle - why wouldn't you? back in the swing now and you'll start seeing more loss smile

i unintentionally ended up doing a 21hr fast as i ate so early on my fast day yesterday. hopefully that will have given an extra boost to things.

had some cereal and we're about to go to the shop because school holiday boredom is driving me to fancy a glass of wine or two this afternoon evening. god knows how i will survive the summer holidays!

Breadandwine Mon 08-Apr-13 14:39:35

For anyone who finds themselves putting on weight on this WOL, you are not alone! smile

Have a look at this thread on the subject, on the Fast Diet Forum:

www.52fastdiet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1006

Well worth looking around this forum if you haven't already seen it. It's very like these threads, lots of support, but with much more research.

ellenbrody Mon 08-Apr-13 14:50:59

betsy it's not just you! I stopped fasting last week, and my greedy pig switch was flipped to on! I just couldn't stop, I don't know why (gained weight obviously angry). I'm jumping back on the wagon as I clearly have NO self restraint.

BsshBossh Mon 08-Apr-13 14:54:33

Hello, fast day for me today and it's become second nature now. No hunger pangs at all (must be all the food I ate over the weekend - loads of calories to sustain me through several fasts, I am sure!).

saf well done!

peplum I take set point weight to be the weight my body settles on for a while, the weight I struggle to get below, the weight my body seems to bounce back up to. Yes, 4lbs lost in 4 months - but as I weighed only infrequently then it didn't seem to stress me out and made it easier to carry on. I was still consuming a good quantity of food and didn't feel deprived which made it easy to stick to.

WinnerK Mon 08-Apr-13 14:58:12

Argh really struggling with fasting today, it's the worst one yet (been doing this for a month).

I don't usually eat anything until the evening but I'm feeling so light headed and wobbly, I don't know why as I ate as usual yesterday and have been drinking loads of herbal tea and water. Just downed a pint of water and am now onto a black coffee so I hope that improves things. Might have to have a ryvita if not.

Must...keep...going.

akarucker Mon 08-Apr-13 15:01:25

Managed my first 18 hour fast today (I usually manage 16) so feeling mighty proud, especially considering I thought I may just die if I ever skipped breakfast, only about two months ago.

So, new thread, new achievement, new enthusiasm...BRING IT ON!!!

Iwearblack Mon 08-Apr-13 15:14:13

Thanks greeneggs!

Yes spring almost here at last ..
Hopefully thread 16 will see me breaking the 11 stone barrier (been 11.0 for 3 weeks!)
Keep gong winnerK - tell yourself you wil have a ryvita in 10 min till the pangs die down. And if not - have a ryvita and enjoy it!

BetsyVanBell Mon 08-Apr-13 15:15:17

ellen well I guess this WOE really is for life then...! It is a bit depressing that we can't conjure up a bit of self control though sigh. Are you going to fast tomorrow as well then?

B&W Ooh, that's a good linky, thank you - good to hear that the cellulite stage is actually progress wink

Miffytastic Mon 08-Apr-13 15:28:51

Thans B&W I read that t'other day.

Dotty - yes will try doing the MFP for a week thing and track it that way.
The other thing I'm not doing, which there is fair bit of discussion of here today I notice, is managing to do very long fasts. I did 16 hours the other day, but usually it's 12 so I was wondering about aiming for some more 16 hour fasts and then perhaps 16:8 days but that sounds a bit like hard work at the moment...

Dotty342kids Mon 08-Apr-13 15:35:28

Betsy, I too read the cellulite bit with interest. Instead of being vast and solid, my tummy is now marginally less vast but definitely more soft and squishy! Interesting to read what this is all about... thanks breadandwine. I look forward to the "tiny and just a little bit soft" stage grin

Talkinpeace Mon 08-Apr-13 15:42:07

Whoosh : threads flashing past!

Well I gained three pounds in the last week. Something to do with three meals a day and lashings of Ouzo. Worth every second. Will get back on the straight and narrow next week when term starts.

mummytime Mon 08-Apr-13 15:43:19

On my 6th "proper fast", but accidentally did the 8 hour fast thing last week when events such as DH taking me out for dinner hampered real 5:2 fasting.

So far I've lost about 8 pounds.

Dotty342kids Mon 08-Apr-13 15:44:45

haha talkinpeace, sounds like a great week!

Minimammoth Mon 08-Apr-13 15:59:26

I also posted on wrong thread. Ah well. Ellen sympathies with boob loss. Why can't it come off my huge behind.? I wish things would speed up a bit.

Bramblesinafield Mon 08-Apr-13 16:03:19

Reporting in from hols. Well I nearly lost my trousers whilst walking with food shop in one hand and coffee in the other. Put a belt on when I got back and noticed that I'd done it up comfortably and gone in two notches - none left to take in grin

I'm sure I will go up a bit this week but eating sensibly.

Dotty342kids Mon 08-Apr-13 16:20:13

ooh, that's great brambles, what a lovely feeling that must be!

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 08-Apr-13 16:26:56

Have had a bit to eat as I'll be missing my usual fast day mealtime due to DS's first dentist appt (eek). I had some lower calorie hummus (nothing artificial making it low cal, btw, just not much tahini added to it) with raw broccoli florets. It occurred to me that I almost never see raw broccoli served this way in this country, so I thought I'd throw it out there as a suggestion for other people. I love raw broccoli with dips!

Off to pick up DS..

Welcome back to those back from hols - wish I'd been away.

Someone ( whiting ?) asked on last thread about my progress so far...6 weeks in and just over 11lbs lost, with a target of 17lbs in total.

Maybe this is the thread where I get down to 8-something, but they fill so fast I'm not sure I can do it!

aka well done on new fast length smile

i am guilt free enjoying some pringles and a glass of cava to get me through having to play endless wii karts with ds.

frenchfancy Mon 08-Apr-13 16:29:18

Marking my place on this new thread, thanks greeneggs.

Fasting today - I was going to make butternut squash and lentil curry for tonight, but I really can't be bothered, so I think it will be baked beans for me.

plecofjustice Mon 08-Apr-13 16:30:42

Urrggg - fasting, got a pounding head, feeling dizzy like I'm on a boat, trying to force liquids down but they don't want to go, freezing cold, brain barely working, just generally yuck!! sad

Need a kick up the arse please!!

Dotty342kids Mon 08-Apr-13 16:34:24

For anyone needing meal ideas, we're having roast salmon with new potatoes, cherry tomatoes and asparagus. 483 cals per portion. Yum!

WhitingLikeTheFish Mon 08-Apr-13 16:57:27

Greenfig thanks for your encouragement.
I have just walked 8.2 miles and cleared the chocolate calories out of my system. BreadandWine I'm going to check the thread on folk who are putting on weight. Thanks for the heads up. X

sweetkitty Mon 08-Apr-13 17:34:37

Strange day today this is only my 3rd proper fast, managed to 3pm without eating, then ate 3 slices of Quorn "ham" which is pretty horrible but only 34 cals a slice plus 3 cherry tomatoes.

It's true what everyone says once you eat you feel hungrier. That was a 21 hour fast my longest so far.

Having sweet potato and lentil stew for dinner with a couple of potatoes which will bring today's total cals to 530 which isn't bad.

The other thing is just weighed myself on the Wii Fit and it's saying I have lost 4lbs since last weigh in 10 days ago, 2lbs odds could be water and fluctuation but even if 1lbs is true weight loss all good.

lemonstartree Mon 08-Apr-13 17:48:56

Today is my second fast day. It has been interesting as I woke up in hospital with DS3 who fell off the trampoline yesterday and has a very nasty fracture of his right arm...

I contemplated ditching the fast due to the stress but decided that as I was already 14 hours fasted (having spend yesterday afternoon and evening in A&E with no money and so only water available) ... I might as well carry on.

Had what I would have had for evening meal, at about 4pm. and think I will make it through till tomorrow morning. I so exhausted I could sleep on a line !

looking forward to weigh in tomorrow :-)

Itsaboatjack Mon 08-Apr-13 19:02:10

Heavy food weekend for me, out for dinner and drinks on Saturday for friends birthday and then eating to try and cure the hangover yesterday. Thought today's fast would be a struggle after all the carbs but its actually been ok. Went out for the day so that helped keep me distracted, have had my dinner now and didn't even have the yogurt I had budgeted for as I felt full after my dinner so made the decision to leave it, so I have come in under my 500.

Fasting again tomorrow, and hopefully will fit in a run in the morning too.

Mifty try not to focus too much on the bouncing up. I bounce loads, by as much as 5lbs sometimes, I don't know if its me or if I have dodgy scales. I know it's easier said than done though, I normally weigh everyday but I have decided to try and stay away from the scales for a week as I was staring to get a bit stressed with it.

Come on bvb get our running shoes on and join me spiritually for a run tomorrow, you know you'll be glad you did after.

Oh and I almost forgot. Well done saf, I'm so glad you got there, I bet it will fall off now.

WhitingLikeTheFish Mon 08-Apr-13 19:07:20

Itsaboatjack I think I'm gonna stay away from the scales too. I like to weigh the morning after a fast day but that's probably not helping with my weight bounce.

greenfig Mon 08-Apr-13 19:40:14

Well I've had my first fast fail todaysad Not sure I'm up to trying again tomorrow, I think Weds would be better but that means a friday fast shock !!
How many of us are Jillianing or similar? I could do with some buddies to spur on the tone up post Easter/pre spring.

BetsyVanBell Mon 08-Apr-13 19:41:10

Itsa I'm eversoslightly drunk right now so I can say will absolute confidence that I will indeed be popping on the running shoes tomorrow morning grin Immagonnadoithyeah!

tbh I'm rather enjoying being able to drink - something I apparently can't do when I'm fasting regularly. I may not enjoy it so much when I'm running tomorrow...

MintyyAeroEgg Mon 08-Apr-13 19:44:39

Marking place.

Same old story: dh and I started 5:2 on 1st September.

Dh has lost coming up to 2 stone.

I have lost 4-7lb. With at least 2 more like 2 and a half stone to go.

We had a couple of weeks off at Christmas and I missed 3 fasts recently due to Easter hols abroad (and boy could I feel the weight piling back on the minute my back was turned).

Pret A Manger thai chicken soup for lunch today (bloody gorgeous) and a salad with prawns, chilli and coriander tonight.

Good luck everybody!

BetsyVanBell Mon 08-Apr-13 19:46:50

greenfig I will Jillian with you but a run tomorrow I think while DH is still around. Oh and btw, the cheapo Primarmani bikini wasn't ideal for actual swimming; fasting has lost me a whole lot of boobulage (I wasn't well endowed to begin with) and the firm, padded cups had a habit of filling up and flipping if I swam with any speed whatsoever! Amusing in a way but not exactly the effect I was after!

BetsyVanBell Mon 08-Apr-13 19:49:59

Minty So although barely losing it is allowing you to maintain? Better than nothing smile, well blooming done for persevering nonetheless. Have you had any bloodwork done to find out if it's having an unseen effect?

SaltyandSweet Mon 08-Apr-13 19:54:25

greenfig fast fail here too today sad First time ever since starting the 4:3 version of this about 7 weeks ago. Was going so well too, then came time for my kids' dinner and all willpower went out the window. I ended up eating with them. So am going to call today a "mini fast" and fast tomorrow, Thursday and Friday [braces self]

peplum41 Mon 08-Apr-13 19:59:22

woh this new threads took off fast, mondays always busy.

ellen normally when I lose weight my boobs are the first thing to be sacrificed and my belly and back fat cling on for dear life, being an apple shaped chubster. But this time Ive lost at least 2 inches off the waist and old bras that were too tight round the back so shoved to the back of the drawer now fit, but the boobs seem the same. This must be something to do with the good effects on insulin this WOE has. If you're pear shaped though, it may be different. Hope you can switch your greedy pig switch off, you know what to dowink And you betsy

saf well done for hitting the tens, and thanks for your clothing feedback. You're 3.5 inches taller than me so much slimmer for the weight.

treacleq 5lbs off in 5 weeks is great. At least with having more to lose you have a higher Tdee, so wont feel deprived. Just think where you will be by the end of summer or even this time next year!

mehefin just done my nights, spent ages looking at some of the old threads really kept me awake and focused on not eating the biscuits one of the service users dad had brought for staff. I did have 4, but then started my fast at 1am, not eaten since then.

bread&wine will look out for the lidl biscuits, also try to avoid palm oil and prefer dairy free although no longer a vegan. It was sheer lack of will power that made me give up, but I live in the countryside and I see stuff, enough said. I attempted a 48 hour with a bookend mini fast at the weekend, would have made it too, but got really desperate at 4am at work. Stiil got lots of food free hours in which is my main goal. Thanks for staying with us on mumsnet with all this womens talk, my Dh couldnt hack itgrin.

PoshVoice Mon 08-Apr-13 20:12:06

First week back on 5:2 this week after two 6:1 weeks due to Easter. Weight has been dropping nicely up until Easter (about 0.4 kg a week) and stayed still during Easter which I was surprised about.

Reached a milestone that I had to share....

I have dropped coat size from L to M!!! ::little dance::

Felt really good in my new coat walking round Brum today (I'm sooooo sad &#128538;)

Good luck to everyone fasting this week

FiFizz Mon 08-Apr-13 20:17:42

Hi everyone, hope it,s ok to join you all ? I've been reading these threads since mid jan,thought its about time I joined in &#128512;.I've about a stone to lose.I started this WOL in feb and lost 4 lbs in 5 wks, which is great, unfortunately I've put back on the 4 lbs on holiday to Egypt, and all those yummy Easter eggs at Easter ! Well Easter eggs all eaten now so first fast day again today.gone very well up to now 550 cals, although must resist a glass of wine this evening &#128513;

FiFizz Mon 08-Apr-13 20:19:35

Oops my smiley faces don't seem to work , strange number things?

ellenbrody Mon 08-Apr-13 20:22:16

Ha ha betsy, just imagining the falling out boobies problem! I can sympathise, it happens to me too. I have resorted to Primarni's gel filled bras for everyday now, rather than just for 'special'.

PoshVoice Mon 08-Apr-13 20:23:57

Fifizz,

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Hth

PoshVoice Mon 08-Apr-13 20:26:09

I of course meant

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Memo to self : preview posts before posting

Dotty342kids Mon 08-Apr-13 20:27:32

poshvoice ooh, I bet that felt good! It's great to hear / read about all these little milestones that people are having, whether that's weight, feeling good, changing clothes size and yes, losing boobage!
For me the belly is definitely shrinking, even if the weight loss is fairly slow. I know clothes are fitting better now and I'm very much looking forward to them becoming too big for me - though that may be a little way off yet!

HugAndRoll Mon 08-Apr-13 20:33:37

Marking place.

Fast day tomorrow which is much needed.

FiFizz Mon 08-Apr-13 20:34:20

Thanks poshvoice (smile)

PoshVoice Mon 08-Apr-13 20:35:38

How long have you been 5:2 ing dotty?

FiFizz Mon 08-Apr-13 20:35:49

Haha,I'm wrong again

PoshVoice Mon 08-Apr-13 20:37:02

Almost there fifizz, use square brackets next time wink

Southeastdweller Mon 08-Apr-13 20:37:56

Doing 4:3 this week and fasting today. I've been quite down about some things the past few days (not this WOL which I generally love). There's a small part of me that wants to crack open the wine in the fridge and scoff some chocolate but I know I won't and I think it's because I've done so well so far, can see the results, and the tales here are so inspiring. I'm always fine with fast days but I admit I do struggle sometimes with non-fast days. It's all a learning curve.

greeneggs I just tried your broccoli and humous idea and enjoyed it, surprisingly, so thanks. I sprinkled some chilli seeds on it too.

Fasting again tomorrow. Did consecutive fasts two weeks ago and it was OK.

Good luck to everyone this week.

FiFizz Mon 08-Apr-13 20:39:02

Ta grin

Curlylox Mon 08-Apr-13 20:49:00

Hello everyone. Been lurking a while now but keeping up with you all hasn't been easy. Wonderful to hear so many of you are doing so well. I've been doing the 5:2 since beginning of February and have lost 18lbs, however I've been exercising a fair bit too. Its the only diet I've managed to do so well in and find quite easy. This one is definitely for keeps.

WhitingLikeTheFish Mon 08-Apr-13 20:50:38

greenfig what is jillianing?
I didn't realise you were 4:3 ing. I wonder if I should try to do that to kick start my weight loss. How long did you 5:2 it before you stepped it up?

FiFizz Mon 08-Apr-13 20:51:46

Hi greenfig I've been doing jillian, ripped in 30, before hols, though been very lazy since I've been back . Have you tried the 30 day shred, it's a killer ! I've not done that since last year, sweat buckets not attractive smile

WhitingLikeTheFish Mon 08-Apr-13 20:51:50

Curlylox what is the secret of your success..

FiFizz Mon 08-Apr-13 20:54:02

Curlylox, 18lbs that's fab we'll done you .

plecofjustice Mon 08-Apr-13 20:54:58

Well, after a rocky afternoon and a sleep on the bus home, I made it to the gym, had a great workout and a delicious (and vegan) 200cal dinner (cuke noodles with parsley pesto). NOw about to have a bath and feeling great! grin

FiFizz Mon 08-Apr-13 20:58:26

Ment well done, hey I'm new to this ,ha ha .

Laska42 Mon 08-Apr-13 21:05:43

Hi all, I'm one of 'ye olde original 5:2ers' from last August along with Greeneggs and others but haven't posted on these threads for sometime as tend or be more on the Maintainers Thread these days,
But i'm just popping in to to say Hi and to say that any maintainers here are very welcome to join us on the other thread also, where you will find lots of us who have been in on it since near the start and have built 5:2 lifestyle hopefully into out life forever.

I've lost 23/24 lbs all told (and have maintained at 10stish for several months now whilst enjoying a holiday and christmas and Easter off ) but now want to try for another few pounds off for summer hols in June . i've I've recently had a few weeks off 'proper 'fasting, but am recommitting to a few weeks back on 4:3 again, as that suited me best before so will try and post encouragement and for support here as well.

This is such a fab WOE and any of new just starting , I highly recommend it. Its certainly changed my life. I look forward to 'meeting' those of you I dont know and reconnecting with old pals.

Good to see you here AeroMintyyand great that you are sticking to it even thought your weight hasn't moved any more . I'm sure you are getting the other benefits though . Do come over and talk to the 'old crew' again on Maintainers soon wont you?

greenfig Mon 08-Apr-13 21:06:43

Oh no whiting I've not braved 4:3 yet! I have done 5:2 with success since I came back from a hol at the end of Feb. I had the temporary 5lb increase blip but had gone from 9.11 to 9.4 pre Easter. I was back to 9.7 this am but after my first fail today am trying work out which days to do now. 'Jillianing' is Jillian Michaels DVDs. Short but quite hard workouts that give good results fast. I like that they are over super fastgrinWas really keen to get the lovely fasting feeling back (I have fasted over Easter but have had too much other rubbish) & like the routine & discipline of it all but struggle during hols! I think I'm a control freak grin
How was your hol bvb ? Will go back & read through I must have missed your post. Did the bikini look good out of the water? I def need serious underwiring. Boobage has shrunk but still needs lots of scaffolding blush

Curlylox Mon 08-Apr-13 21:08:37

Thanks FiFizz. WLTF there's no secret, followed what it says on beginning of all these threads, 5:2 woe, tdee and mfp. Incorporating exercise where as the only exercise I was doing was a weekly Pilates class. Exercise 5-6 days out of 7, walk more and have a recumbent exercise bike. When I first started on the bike I could only just manage 5 mins now I'm up to 25 mins and the sweat dripping off me - not a pretty sight.

greenfig Mon 08-Apr-13 21:12:41

salty & sweet I will try to join you tomorrow in a fast. I kind of knew this morning I was going to struggle, even though I wasn't hungry. Weird. It was just that pit feeling in my tummy that had to be filled. I tried safs beans & eggs trick in an attempt to fill the hole, even though it put me slightly over & then I just ended up eating carbs!!
Tomorrow's another day smile

BadabingBadabong Mon 08-Apr-13 21:19:07

I'm starting this tomorrow, going to download the book onto my Kindle.
Should I eat breakfast or should I fast a bit first?
Wish me luck, need to lose 2 half - 3 stone!!

BadabingBadabong Mon 08-Apr-13 21:19:38

Ps thanks for all the info and links greeneggs

FiFizz Mon 08-Apr-13 21:23:26

Resisted wine , feeling good having a licorice and peppermint tea ,thanks to whoever recommended it on previous threads yummy..well done to all fasters today nearly done now. Tomorrow is another day .

greenfig Mon 08-Apr-13 21:27:52

curlylox Yes I have & I'd like to do it again! I lent it to a friend & she's lost it. I also do 6w6p & NMTZ. I have BFBM too but not so keen on that one. I got out of it when I had a bad chest & am a bit nervous to go through the initial pain again grin

ellenbrody Mon 08-Apr-13 21:29:40

Hurrah! Am back on the wagon! Successful fast: 480 cals! Ready for bed soon.
Well done to all fasters today.

SaltyandSweet Mon 08-Apr-13 21:32:16

greenfig I must fast tomorrow!!! My slip with the kids' dinner escalated to a several [ahem] hobnobs and a milky coffee. Today just wasn't my day for no particular reason that I can think of! Like you said, tomorrow's another (hopefully more successful) day! grin

greenfig Mon 08-Apr-13 21:32:56

Sorry fifizz the^ Shred ^ was to you!
Well done successful fasters, you've shamed this quitter blush

FiFizz Mon 08-Apr-13 21:47:39

greenfig 6w6 pack I find the most difficult, it's sooo fast ,hard to keep up with jillian. Definitely don't feel shamed, that's the beauty of this WOE .As we said tomorrow is another day . I'm sure you be back on track .well done you for weight loss so far smile

BsshBossh Mon 08-Apr-13 22:12:25

badabong if I were you I'd try and prolong the first bite of the day for as long as possible. Alot of us find that eating even a nibble of something on a fast day sets the appetite alight. Plus the health benefits apparently build the longer you fast.

WellHurrahAndHuzzah Mon 08-Apr-13 22:20:24

(Have just posted this in the maintainence thread but Talkinpeace directed me over here - thanks!)
Hi all

I've finally taken the plunge and joined MN after a few months of lurking. Hello!

I thought I'd share with you my experience of the 5:2 WOE. I've been doing this since the new year, and have found it has really, really helped me to maintain my ideal weight. I'm in my late twenties, and although most people would say 'oh, you don't need to lose any weight!' I guess that honestly there has been that half a stone which I always, always wanted to get rid of. And now - it's gone.

When I first downloaded the book for my kindle and started, my OH was eye rolling and thinking this was going to be another 'I have to stop drinking beer / eating cheese / eating anything' type phase. But it wasn't.

As soon as he saw how I was doing, he joined me. He has lost 3 stone since last year through exercise, and the 5:2 has helped him lose another half a stone. This morning, he calculated his BMI. And, for the first time since he was about 11 years old (seriously), he is now in a healthy weight range.

I am so, so proud

The thing that has really struck us about this WOE is how really, bloody easy it is. We were both of the mind set of 'if I didn't eat anything in the morning I'd be fainting' and 'I'm tired, my body needs fuel to keep going'. We were in unshakeable habits with our eating (and boy, do we loooooove to eat!).

We are both passionate about creating wholesome, nutritious, delicious food, as well as (sometimes) eating outrageously unhealthy food and drinking copious amounts of beer And this WOE seems to allow us to do the latter, occasionally, without it having adverse effects on us.

So I hope to be able to contribute to this thread, to encourage others and to keep myself and my OH motivated. MN seems a fantastic source of support, so thank you!

PS. Fasting today and I'm in NZ so it's morning for me. Copious amounts of Earl Grey Tea doing the trick thus far!

Talkinpeace Mon 08-Apr-13 22:25:27

there are several Antipodeans on this thread : you'll find each other by posting when we are asleep!

peplum41 Mon 08-Apr-13 22:29:14

Hi fifizz #25812 to you and all. I can't work the smilies on my phone but I'm all grin and wink when on laptop.

Hi to all delurkers, each new thread seems to bring on a fresh batch.

Hi laska been reading old threads, you can learn so much plus forces you to read because you can't comment. So anyways, familiar with your name, glad to hear you're still at it, and thanks for gracing us with your presence.

plec.o.j well done. You deserve a treat tomorrow. How did you get through the mid afternoon grots?

wohmum Mon 08-Apr-13 23:42:57

I've posted a couple of times , but generally just a lurker smile

Fast day again for me , and they seem to be getting easier, today managed til 6.30 before scoffing a banana, and then the aubergine and chickpea current that someone posted way back at the start . So about 300 in total.

I do have a couple of hungry spells during the day but they don't last long and are soon forgotten .

Hoping to get to 9 st something this week having started at 11 st 6 in Jan. have been stable at 10 st 0.6 lb for 3 days now, but hoping today's fast will have done the trick.

I usually wait til I've got 2-3 consecutive weigh-ins at the same weight before logging it (am a daily weigher)

Good luck to all tomorrow's fasters!

frenchfancy Tue 09-Apr-13 06:40:49

Fasted again yesterday. This morning the scales still haven't budged. My target weight is 67kg, but the scales have stopped at 68.0. I haven't seen a 67 in front for over 15 years and I am impatient to se it. My exercise levels have dropped this week, work is so busy I haven't had much time to shred or run. Hopefully once I start up again the scales will move.

1 kg isn't going to make much difference, but it is the principal of reaching my goal. I'll still carry on with 5:2 in any case.

french hope the scales move for you soon, so frustrating to be within touching distance and yet not reach it!

I am just about to break a 34 hour total fast (herbal tea/water only). It's the second time I've done this and for me it seems a good way to nudge my body into using up fat. Both times I have lost a kg AND kept it off apart from a small upward bounce of less than half a pound. I am also going to watch the Horizon video again to remind myself of all the other benefits of fasting. Only 1.5kg to my target from here smile

ellenbrody Tue 09-Apr-13 07:32:23

postmanpat 34 hours! Impressive!! Does that mean you ate nothing yesterday?

french when i fasted on friday the next day the scales had not moved, the day after they had dropped a l.6lbs and the next fast i dropped 2lbs. i was a bit gutted by the no movement but it turned up the next day. just keep going.

well done postmanpat - that's not far to go at all smile is it still your final target?

haven't dared weigh myself yet this morning - had a bit of a snack attack last night and don't want the guttedness of seeing my 10 gone already grin i need to though as i need the motivation for today's fast.

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Apr-13 08:29:03

poshvoice I've been doing it since first week in Feb so about 9 weeks I think..... and I've lost 8lbs so far with a couple of pounds blip last week (Easter and hols!). Fast day yesterday and am back to 11st0 today thank goodness.
Cannot WAIT to see the 10's. swallowedafly beat me to it yesterday and I'm determind to join her before Fri 19th which is my 40th birthday grin

droopytulip Tue 09-Apr-13 08:51:55

Just a quick question about tdee on 5:2. My weight loss has been very slow and so far with on and off I'm only 2lb down in nearing 2 months. I use Mfp to log calories and have averaged over the weeks anything from 1025 to 1100 over the weeks. I'm 5'2 and 136lbs and hope to lose 10lbs. Am I not eating enough on off fast days? I have calculated my tdee on my goal weight. Should it be on maintenance. Just a bit confused and a bit disappointed with results. I do have an underactive thyroid which is stable with thyroxine but having held on to this extra stone for years I thought this woe would fit.

Minimammoth Tue 09-Apr-13 09:11:58

droopytulip I have been doing this since Early Feb and have lost 6 lbs. it feels slow to me too I also have under active thyroid and I do think this slows everything down. I have been told on here to eat more during eat days, but I find it difficult to eat more. When I do, weight piles on quickly, and feel I just can't eat anymore.

greenfig Tue 09-Apr-13 09:15:27

droopytulip I beleive you should calculate your TDEE at your current weight & adjust as you lose so perhaps you should try upping the cals a bit. I know it feels wrong but it has worked for others on these threads smile Perhaps as you have thyroid issues you could ask the question on MMs site, I got one answered the next day.
All this page of posts has inspired me & given me the boot I need. Will fast today & have walked & exercised. Enjoy your run bvb & bsh JM tomorrow? Are you shredding FF ?
fizz do you like ripped in 30? I need a new one, not too much plank stuff though.
Are you with me today sweet & salty ?

sweetkitty Tue 09-Apr-13 09:33:43

Morning all feed day here today had two slices of toast and butter this morning and felt a bit sick like I could taste the fat strange.

Yesterday's fast was ok but I was hungry last night, tomorrow I think I'm going to try 24 hours then have a decent meal in the evening even if I go over 500 cals I'm not going to worry too much. According to WiiFit I was 8st 8lbs yesterday, I want to be 8st 6-7 which is fine for my 5ft 4ibs height. The distribution if weight is do uneven though I still have these huge hips, bum and thighs in relation to the rest of me, boobs have shrank to nothingness especially the top of them. I need to tone though, have started the 30 day squat challenge but I'm scared of anything that will bilk my thighs even more.

Anyone dove anything that's shrank their bum and thighs?

well i faced the scales - bang on 11st after scoffing peanuts and pringles and god knows what yesterday so not as bad as it could have been.

fasting today and fingers crossed will get to see a new low tomorrow.

dotty - you can't have long to go now smile

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 09:39:13

Greenfig Itsa I have done my run! I was only out the house 22mins so not an epic bit of exercise by any means but a good start. DH was making toast when I got home envy - I guess he's not fasting with me today then...

Hol was fab, thank you - I didn't feel embarrassed or humiliated by wearing a bikini in public so that was good! The padded top was impractical for swimming but balanced everything out a little bit (I'm very much a pear).

Ellen and others - I found my boobs didn't disappear as quickly as on a normal diet but they have now diminished. Sadly, not just smaller of course, but emptier hmm. However, I'd much rather be as I am now than as I was!

Right, coffee next I think...

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 09:41:26

sweetkitty Jillian does a Killer buns and thighs dvd which is good - I've only done one session but it's all about getting muscles sleek and toned without bulk (so she says) so maybe worth a go?

BadabingBadabong Tue 09-Apr-13 09:42:41

Hi thanks bsshbosh for replying. I was going to have eggs for breakfast but it seems most people try not to eat for most of the day so will give it a go.
Going to have black coffee soon.

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 09:46:52

badabing I usually do a little lunch and a slightly bigger evening meal which has worked really well for me - I eat early in the evening so having a lunch still gives me an 18 hour break from food. Sometimes I can push that to 22 hours depending on what's going on for me that day.

I tried doing breakfasts a couple of times but it didn't work out well and I'd go to bed hungry - definitely a tougher way round.

Try things out and see what works best for you smile

ellen - correct, not a thing! Went to the gym too <smug emoticon> grin

saf brave of you - sounds like that 10 will stay within your grasp. My target is 56kg (now 57.5) as I think that's a weight I can maintain. I was 6lbs lighter when I got married in 1996 (though I did NO exercise at all then) but I don't know if I could sustain that now. I can't try on my wedding dress as I binned it along with the exH!

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 10:03:06

I'm in shock - did a post-run weigh in and I'm 10st5 - only half a pound more than my lowest weigh in a couple of weeks ago grin It's amazing to know that I can go on holiday without piling on the pounds - never thought that was possible. Also a relief to know that my constant eating since i got back hasn't done any damage either, sets me in a brilliant frame of mind for today's fast.

Stop eating pringles saf! wink

will do bvb grin mind you it has just occurred to me that i can't remember the last time i bought and ate ice cream - that was probably the prime candidate for causing the weight gain in the first place so i'm glad that habit has gone. great that you've maintained so well.

yesterday i did eat crap but i didn't eat crap AND meals iyswim. i pretty much ate crap instead of meals. not healthy eating obviously but less cals than doing meals plus snacks.

hoping fasting is manageable today. haven't found it easy in the holidays.

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Apr-13 10:17:35

You can do it saf, I know you can....... just think of that 10 grinning back at you from the scales in the morning!

BadabingBadabong Tue 09-Apr-13 10:26:40

Thanks Betsy. I do think once I eat I will want to eat more and as its day 1 my motivation should be high! Did you fast on holiday?
So weighed myself, need to get new scales they said 12.7 a couple of times and 12.4 a couple of times ! I'm 5ft 8 and my ideal weight is 9.7

FirstTimeFaster Tue 09-Apr-13 10:28:02

Well completed my first fast day yday, went for the drink water all day and have one meal in the evening approach, which consisted of just veg! Very chuffed I got through the day although I do now find myself wanting to eat whatever is in my sights today!!!

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 10:30:06

Saf I do that now too - if I eat crap, or even if I have a healthy but calorific snack session (does happen occasionally!), then I'll skip the next meal - I'm guessing this is the sort of behaviour that naturally slim people get up to, ie eat when hungry not just because the clock says it's meal time! Well done on the lack of ice cream - that is fab, just imagine all those tubs that are no longer sitting around as fat on your tummy! And if it's B&J or HDaaz just how much money you've saved too...

BadabingBadabong Tue 09-Apr-13 10:36:36

Ooh well done first time faster, I have a bowl of salad so might try and have that for tea and nothing else.

thanks dotty.

bvb - i've never been a mealtimes slave person and i suspect that is why i spent most of my life relatively slim and even when i piled weight on didn't pile as much on as i probably deserved to iyswim.

i sometimes feel bad that my house isn't regimented around meals and whether it will be bad for ds but actually all this 3 meals a day obsession is pretty recent and invented imo. if ds has been hungry and eating all morning then he doesn't need lunch just because the clock says 12 imo. i just try to make sure when he's on an eat, eat, eat mission of grazing that the nutrition goes in there amongst the grazing. i don't really see 'meals' and 'snacks' - food is food however/whenever you eat it and it all counts.

tbh if i ate 3 meals a day i would be a) stuffed and b) the size of a house. the only time i've done it was when i was diving instructor working full time and in the water for hours at a time and my body actually needed it.

so really my weight gain is purely from the eating crap in the evenings that i got into and became quite addictive really.

sorry long post of not a lot said - procrastinating about getting on with the housework me thinks wink

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 10:38:56

badabing no fasting on holiday but less mindless eating too and no panicking if I got a little bit hungry!

ftf Very impressive! Well done grin

droopytulip Tue 09-Apr-13 10:41:49

Thanks mimimamoth and greenfig. I might try and up my calories a tad see if it makes a difference. I was thinking of being a bit more conscious of my carb intake. I could eat a baguette filled with crisps washed down with wine everyday mmmmmm not that I do.

And reading all these excercise posts has kicked my arse to do more. One Yoga class a week is clearly not enough.

FirstTimeFaster Tue 09-Apr-13 10:45:08

I find that I'm constantly thinking about food today but I'm sure this is something that will gradually get easier, got my second fast day tomorrow and feel I need to cram as much as I can in today but obviously that's just silly! We'll soon see smile

monster54 Tue 09-Apr-13 10:45:23

I was wondering if any of the seasoned pros have any experience?

I'm in to week 7....and Saturday ended up having a takeout. And I've had stomach cramps since!!!

Has anyone else experienced this? Like their tummies just can't handle the rubbish anymore??

SaltyandSweet Tue 09-Apr-13 10:47:52

greenfig Yup am with you, fasting away! Feel especially determined given yesterday's fail. Fingers crossed we both have a successful day! Good luck to all others fasting today too

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 10:55:07

monster I'm only a little more 'seasoned' than you (3 months) but yes, greasy, salty takeaways and wine have been problematic for me. I've had a week off fasting and I've been happily drinking a few glasses for the last couple of days but now I'm back on the fasting wagon I suspect I won't be able to drink anymore. The odd glass of beer or a bit of whisky has been fine though - don't need to be completely teetotal! phew

I've been a mostly healthy eating kick for 19months while keeping a food diary and yes, records show that takeout food has been a problem for a while - physical pain and bloating. It's a good job I like cooking!

monster i'm pretty merciless to my tummy but went out for my monthly fry up with my friend last week and just could not override it's objections to the food i was putting into it. my normally delicious fried mushrooms started to taste like sponge soaked in pure slimey grossness that i was trying to stick in my tummy and i had to leave them. soon after i realised i couldn't actually eat anymore of any of it shock i was full and it wasn't a pleasant full and i was quite repulsed by the rest of my plate.

so i'm hoping that yes, maybe, even i might be beginning to change my natural responses to food. i've still ordered take out a few times but have been really disappointed by it and ended up throwing loads away each time. hoping i will stop bloody ordering it at all soon.

monster54 Tue 09-Apr-13 11:13:44

Thanks ladies, it's insane how terrible my poor tum has felt since then!

I know it'll make me think twice in the future of my choices, I also had to chuck a lot away! There was a time I would of sat there and ate and ate till it was gone simply not to 'waste' food.....

Never has a diet 'shifted' my life in such a positive way....

Had a been on WW or SW....I wouldn't have had the physical effects and would have just notched it down as a 'blip'.....

monster54 Tue 09-Apr-13 11:14:53

I'll rephrase...a 'way of life'...

Bramblesinafield Tue 09-Apr-13 11:21:33

Wow, monster, yes! My stomach certainly now complains at more greasy food or heavy eating.

I had two days of roast dinners over Easter weekend and after the second one was in agony and went to bed! I didn't feel better until it was all out of my system (tmi!).

I've found a place that does a lovely takeout lentil soup here for lunch, although breakfast today has been rather carby! Don't think I'll lose any this hol, but as long as it doesn't go too far up - and I can 4:3 when I get back to kick start down again.

Shewhojuggles Tue 09-Apr-13 11:25:24

Well done FTF - my first one was the hardest so far. Did third fast yesterday and it was fine. Can have what I want today but have woken up feeling strangely virtuous! Just made pancakes for DD and her friend as would normally eat tons but just has two little ones smile

Sweet kitty I have quite big legs and I find swimming really trims my thighs, as does running. I'm never going to have super slim legs but gym an exercise classes seem to bulk them up more.

Good luck to all fasting today!

ThinnerByDinner Tue 09-Apr-13 11:28:16

Hi Fellow Fasters..

Havent been on for a little while however am always reading and catching up on the thread! Theres been some fab loses so keep going people!

This is week 9 for me.. and have lost a total of 17lbs so very chuffed.. now into the 11st mark.. 11st10 to be exact. Want to loose another 1.5-2 stone but will play it by ere and see how I look along the way.

Had a crazy moment yesterday and signed up for a 10k run in sept called the wolf run.. so although I do a fair bit of exercise a week (swim twice, two/three exercise classed) im by no means a runner! Training has now began! Agh wish me luck!

Hope everyone has a sucessful fast today.. and if not..theres always tomorrow! Love this WOE!

FirstTimeFaster Tue 09-Apr-13 11:28:18

So in everyone's experience, on the non fasting days, do u find its more beneficial to eat as much of the recommended 2000 cals as possible, or just eat what u fancy, even if that means not eating very much at all??

Itsaboatjack Tue 09-Apr-13 11:41:51

Well done on a good fast ftf, I would say on non fast days listen to your body and eat what you fancy. If overall for the week you are not eating enough try thinking about upping your cals with things like nuts, seeds, avocado, things that are quite high cal without having to eat too much of them and also are good fats.

bvb well done on your run. It has been raining here this morning but by the time I had taken dc to holiday club and nursery I was wet already so I forced myself to carry on and did 4 miles.

Fasting again today here, I feel like I have an empty tummy and would definately thought of it as hunger that needed feeding before but now I know I'll just have a glass of water and carry on and I'll be fine.

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 11:42:20

FTF I tend to look at it over a week - I tend to eat less on week days but more at the weekend, I often find I can't eat much after a fast day but am ravenous by the 2nd day!

FirstTimeFaster Tue 09-Apr-13 11:46:33

Thanks guys! At the moment all I can think about is good but I think that's clearly because this is all new to me, maybe ill just eat what I fancy for my first few non fast days and then it will gradually get easier anyway I imagine smile ... I hope!!

Breadandwine Tue 09-Apr-13 11:54:32

Some lovely stories on here again, this morning. I love the community feel of these threads, and the support that's there for anyone who needs it. But reading of the experiences of posters on here also helps keep me on track.

That's partly why I stay around, Peplum - but also for comments like this:

I can't try on my wedding dress as I binned it along with the exH!

Brilliant, Postman, love it! grin

I'm currently maintaining my weight, and I'm trying various versions of 6:1. ATM, I'm in the middle of a 48 hours fast, on <600 cals, which I had last night. Sort of 6:1 and a bit, in that I have a mini-fast as well as a full day's fasting.

I'll eat normally from 7pm tonight, right up until I begin a new fast next Sunday. TBH, those 5 days are a bit of a concern - I haven't done 5 days together without fasting since I began IF 13 months ago. And I've got two packets of ginger biscuits in the cupboard, with only three biscuits gone from one packet.

One thing's for certain, that situation cannot continue! grin

But if I do fall of the wagon, I know exactly what to do about it!

Best wishes to all fasting today. I'm off to do my daily exercise - then I shall come back to my flask of filter coffee! smile

monster54 Tue 09-Apr-13 11:54:49

FTF.....I would take it easy and just be 'aware'....right now I feel my body is dictating my food day choices...

See my previous post but tummy ache since having take out....my tummy is rejecting anything too heavy/calorie laden!

FTF - i would say this is a learning period for you. eat, see how it feels, see what you fancy, see what happens over the next few weeks. as monster says be aware.

given it's a wol it's gonna grow/develop over time rather than being a diet that has a list of rules to follow from day one. you'll work out what works for you.

catsrus Tue 09-Apr-13 12:12:39

Marking my place on the new thread - need to get back in the groove this week as I've been having a bit of a toast and marmite fest - with lashings of real butter grin.

So lovely to be able to do that and know it's OK and can be compensated for! Just a mini fast today as I have a full on fast planned for tomorrow. A nice healthy lunch beckons methinks... maybe a salad with jacket potato and try to pretend summer is on it's way hmm

FiFizz Tue 09-Apr-13 12:19:54

Feed day for me today.Managed to miss breakfast and holding out for a late lunch ,hopefully to get 18 hr fast.Not shredded today*greenfig*, going to start that again tomorrow ,it's been a while wish me luck.ripped in 30 is good still has plank work ! Feeling really motivated now I've finally plucked up the courage to join in,you are all so inspiring smile

Whitecat Tue 09-Apr-13 13:03:12

Well done for signing up for the 10k Thinner - what a great goal to aim for.
I did my 19th fast yesterday. I won't weigh until after my next one tomorrow because I spent the weekend grazing and drinking tea trying to keep warm in a freezing caravan. Its so much easier not eating when you can blast the central heating. Hopefully we'll all get some warm weather soon.
Everyone is doing so well, I love the pep these threads give.

greenfig Tue 09-Apr-13 13:40:28

Have just had a bowl of soup so managed 18hrs. Totally different mindset/physical feeling to yesterday. As JM would say 'I'm stroooonggg!!!'
To some of the questrions asked above:
I have found that appetite drops following a feed day & I feel much more aware of what I want to eat. This varies a lot but I get much more of a fancy for things iykwim.
I find some things give tummy pain or bloat, usually carby stuff which I have avoided for a while. I would say that until I started this woe I was quite a clean eater but I have enjoyed the freedom of eating some 'out of bounds' foods & am able to enjoy as a treat rather than craving more. I find I can't handle alcohol so well (hangovers) but was putting that down to age sad This does make me drink MUCH less than I used to & again I'm much more aware of when I want a drink rather than having through habit or because it's on offer.
I have found that I have lost better when I'm eating less carbs even if the cals are the same or even less.
I am a real foodie & have felt slightly cheated if I have not made the most of my meals, eating things that I really enjoy or that I'm in the mood for. This has been difficult in the hols as we've been out so much. I find I feel a little sulky that I don't have what I want!!!

ellenbrody Tue 09-Apr-13 14:02:32

monster and others who mentioned feeling ill or bloated after eating: I started this WOL at the end of feb to lose the few pounds I put on over Christmas. I managed this and now use 5:2/6:1 to maintain(ish) and gain the health benefits.

Like others, I felt/feel great, energised even, on fast days, but like others, my tummy started reacting to stodge on non fast days.

Now, I don't think the way it was reacting was different, I was just more aware of it iyswim?

A trip to the docs (for something else) has seen me diagnosed (last Friday) with coeliac disease! I'm waiting for the biopsy to confirm it, but I had high levels of gluten antibodies in my blood.

Apparently 1 in 100 of the general population has this, so it's much more common than we think, and I was/am virtually symptomless. If anyone is having a stomach that reacts after eating gluten products (wheat, barley, rye) I would urge you to seek medical advice as left untreated, it can cause some nasty complications.
Thank you!

Almost impossible for me to keep up with this thread - I think I am managing to post about once in each variant!!

Saw a new low today. Not long now till my BMI is under 30 grin. Still can't quite believe something this easy works. I'm using the Hacker's Diet online chart to track my weights now (link if you're interested) which gives a weighted regression trend line, which I like a lot 'cos it evens out the blips and shows me I am losing a pound a week, doing just the 500 cals 2 x a week and not worrying about anything else. Amazing. I reckon I have put on about 7 pounds a year over the past 6 years, so at that rate I can correct a year's worth of weight gain every couple of months. Hurray!

I am also noticing a gradual distaste for unhealthy foods - last fast but one I bought some stodgy pain au raisin for the kids, and saved one for me to have the next morning - all I could taste was fat, it was horrible!

BsshBossh Tue 09-Apr-13 14:44:59

Some really good losses and maintains being recorded here and it's also great that so many of us are managing longer fasts. I do 16:8 on my non-fast days and then eat normally (within TDEE). Have just broken my 16 hour fast with a bowl of minestrone soup, a small ham baguette, a full fat yoghurt and some blueberries. Yummy. I'm also craving much healthier, cleaner foods now I'm fasting. My DH told me he'd noticed I no longer eat that many crisps or chocolates. I always skip breakfast now but really love Dorset museli so tend to eat it as a snack with milk when DD has her dinner at 5pm. I'm also eating more unsalted nuts and seeds and my skin is glowing. I always give them to my DD to snack on but never, until recently, thought to snack on them myself. A very good way of bumping up my calories.

am finding it hard today. still haven't eaten anything but feeling a bit sick and heady on and off. have my period and a bit of an upset tummy so maybe to do with that.

sticking at it but it's been a totally unproductive day thus far. fortunately ds seems happy watching tv and playing with his toys. think he might be a bit under the weather too.

akarucker Tue 09-Apr-13 15:12:15

ellen only since starting this woe have I noticed a reaction to foods. Don't know if this could be a sudden onset of some something like you're talking about, or if it's just my new digestive system getting mad at me if I eat certain foods (tends to be pasta & wine I'm reacting to - so sad - my faves).

Marking place

ComeTalkToMe Tue 09-Apr-13 16:19:38

ThinnerbyDinner that's a great achievement - well done on the loss! I've also signed up for a 10k at the end of May, but as I can only manage about 4k at the moment I'm a bit worried.

ellenbrody sorry you've been diagnosed as coeliac - will it mean big changes to what you eat?

I do like these pages as a means of support. I had my worst fast day yet yesterday, eating around 800 calories and I won't be able to fit another one in due to work dinners, dinner with friends etc. I'm worried as I've only lost 7lbs so far and I know how easily this can go back on...

Itsaboatjack Tue 09-Apr-13 16:27:45

ComeTalkToMe are you doing the London 10,000?

WinnerK Tue 09-Apr-13 16:33:27

So yesterday was fast day for me and a real struggle but I managed to hold out until evening and had delicious baked fish with green beans and a couple of new potatoes, then a Horlicks light for bedtime.

Even though it was hard I feel amazing today, so much energy. I've eaten sensibly and am even considering going to yoga instead of cooking a nice big bowl of pasta tonight. Anyone who is finding fasting hard keep up the good work it's totally worth it in the end.

I agree with stodgy food too! Last time I had a pain au chocolat for breakfast it made me feel ill for the rest of the day!

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Apr-13 16:35:49

Well I'm on an eating day today but may have taken that rather too literally. After cereal plus banana for breakfast I made some Rocky Road with my DD - a fair few mini marshmallows and licking of spoons went with that. Then of course had to have a small slice - just for tasting you understand!
Scrambled eggs on toast for lunch - all ok there but just mindlessly wolfed a bag of skittles AND a cadburys caramel bar whilst she was at the swimming pool. Not good at all.
Going to have a decent healthy dinner but then got a friend coming over for wine and nibbles this evening. Can only try to have minimal wine / maximum veg sticks I guess.
Sigh....
Oh well, normal eating day tomorrow and will be working / busy which always helps me to avoid the junk. Then second fast day of the week on Thurs. At this rate I'll have to pop another one in on Sat to compensate for today's gluttony grin

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 16:38:13

cometalktome 800 calories is still a good fast day smile I'm starting to think that it doesn't necessarily go back on as easily because IF changes our attitudes to, and relationship with, food. Now when I feel like I've massively pigged it turns out to not really be that bad at all once I think about it.

Don't worry, have your dinners out and come back to IF. There's no fails, just longer gaps between fasts.

I've just had a week off, feel like I've been eating and drinking non stop (I haven't of course, just feels like it) but the net damage is... nothing, I've not put any weight on at all! And I put weight on really easily normally.

Nearly at the end of a fast day, managed until 1.30 (18hours) then had an apple, just now had half a bowl of soup and left myself enough to have a proper dinner (an early dinner though!!!) The thought of it has been harder than the reality.

aroomofherown Tue 09-Apr-13 17:03:57

Hi everyone, I'm new, been lurking for a bit. Am trying my first morning-night fast today (as opposed to 2pm to 2pm) and I've already eaten all of my 500 calories. Oops.

Here's hoping I can make it through to bed time.

peplum41 Tue 09-Apr-13 17:50:59

dotty hey its an eating day, they cant all be virtuous or we wouldnt all be raving about how we love this wol and the threads would've died months ago. Just curious, but did you have a swim or just your daughter? Swimming burns quite few cals,plus tones, so could you swim too,then not feel so guilty?

systemsaddict tried to log weight on the site you linked but not sure how to record weight, do you put todays weight on the space next to the date then press update? confused

postmanpatscat have you been doing this for only 6 weeks?? I thought you were more of a long termer with your fancy 36 hour fasts! Im still aiming for a 24 hour, currently eeking it out to around 22 hours.

Did my first proper 500 fast yesterday as have usually gone a little over or even up to 800. I always feel soo hungry at bed time but was determined to not cave this time. Started reading in bed and fell asleep sat up. When I woke up I didnt feel hungry, and had a good kip. Must be getting used to it as endured some sleepless nights initially. Then this morning decided to minifast until 1pm, then held out til 3:30! Had a bowl of some spicy brown lentil dahl I made the other day, delish smile

peplum41 Tue 09-Apr-13 17:53:07

Hi aroomofherown keep going it does get easier honest

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Apr-13 18:00:57

peplum thanks for kind words. Yes, I could probably have had a swim too, would definitely have been better than sitting scoffing rubbish but she's recently turned 8 so can finally go in the water without me so took advantage of the time to sit and read a book (and eat junk!).

sausages51 Tue 09-Apr-13 18:08:44

Last post march 10th-been lurking ever since but can finally pounce out and announce that I have, as of this morning lost 1 whole stone since January. This wol is truly amazing. Never give up anyone :-)

Talkinpeace Tue 09-Apr-13 18:24:23

WELL DONE sausages

and yes, as somebody who has been fasting since last September : you all will eat MUCH less of high fat food than you used to because your digestive feedback loops are getting into a healthy state.

on take aways I always suggest set menus as they are more balanced and work out better value

peplum yes, just over 6 weeks (started in Feb half term). I always have lunch if I'm fasting at work, but find at home I can keep putting off the next meal until suddenly it's breakfast time. I did go to sleep dreaming of breakfast, I admit!

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 18:38:40

sausages Woohoo! Brilliant, well done! grin

Had my meal and feeling all warm and satisfied now. Yum yum yum, lovely happy tummy. I don't think I'll ever manage a 36 hour stint like postmanpatscat!

aroomofherown Tue 09-Apr-13 18:46:07

Thanks peplum.

sausages that's great news!

akarucker Tue 09-Apr-13 18:55:09

sausages well done! A stone is my first goal so you've spurred me on (I'm at -11lbs)

Inseywinseyupthespout Tue 09-Apr-13 18:55:26

Hello! Newbie here !

May I intrude and join you all ?

I'm currently on an eat day - have done 3 fasts so far and have a fast day tomorrow .

I haven't noticed any weight loss yet ... Is that normal?

Wondering if anyone can tell me if my plan is about right because TBH , I don't really have a clue what I'm doing ! blush

So... I plan to fast either 2 or 3 days per week , depending on what I can cope with that day .

On eat days , I just basically eat what I want and don't count calories.

I don't really have time for exercise at the min so that's a bit of a blip - can I still lose without the exercise ?

I'm leaving 17-20 hours between my last meal and next food intake on fast days .

Is this about a right plan?

Thanks !

Inseywinseyupthespout Tue 09-Apr-13 18:56:28

Oh and on eat days , I tend to have lunch for breakfast , then skip lunch and have dinner on an evening .

sweetkitty Tue 09-Apr-13 19:09:07

Evening all had a lovely eat day today, had toast with butter, a salad sandwich, quorn cologne & garlic bread and 2 cakes probably about 1700 cals which is over my TDEE but oh well it's the holidays, fast day tomorrow grin

ellenbrody Tue 09-Apr-13 19:15:45

cometalktome thank you for your kindness, I'm feeling a bit sorry for myself! Yes, I will have to eat differently after the biopsy- no bread, pasta, biscuits or cakes! All the yummy stuff! At least a whole category of binge food is now forbidden! Can't see myself bingeing on lettuce!grin

peplum to combat bedtime munchies on fast days I tend to have a long bath, then an early night!

sausages, marvellous loss! Well done, you must be so pleased.

aroomofherown Tue 09-Apr-13 19:16:41

Can I ask a question? My TDEE has come up at 2514, I think because I put in that I go to the gym 3 - 4 times a week (which I do, now anyway).

This seems very high to me. My BMR is 1600.

Can I really eat 2500 calories on a feed day?!

suck it and see insey smile sounds like a good plan to me so long as you don't massively overeat on a daily basis. i don't calorie count on non-fast days either and have lost over a stone in less than 10 weeks. i know if i've had piggy days and need to make up for them a bit by another when i'm not very hungry eating less. it tends to balance for me.

think the calorie counting comes in if you're failing to lose any weight and are worried you may be consitently over eating.

made it through today so far so hopefully on track to bank today as a fast day.

how much do you weigh and how tall are you aroomof? hard to say without having a clue of your body.

aroomofherown Tue 09-Apr-13 19:23:17

I'm 5'7" (175cm) tall and weigh 88kg blush

personally i don't think eating exercise cals is a good idea if you're trying to actually lose weight or what's the point of the exercise? it delays learning to eat reasonable amounts and counteracts the good effects the exercise could be having on your weight confused

it only really makes sense to me if you're at goal weight and want to maintain.

don't blush! we're all here from having extra weight we want to tackle smile

how about splitting the difference between bmr and tdee but more towards the tdee than the bmr for now? say 2200?

peplum41 Tue 09-Apr-13 19:28:28

AAAhdotty was attempting an excercise DVD when I suddenly got all paranoid you'd think I was being patronising about the swimming, but fortunately you took it the way I meant. Enjoy your nibbles and wine with a mate, what other woe would let you do that? smile

ellen thanks will try that, rarely bathe as like showers, but got some radox, tealights and chilled music...mmm yeah. Hope your test is ok, but if not focus on the stuff you can still have, like wine cheese crisps chocolate and a whole bunch of healthy stuff. Sure you will get used to the gf stuff soon enough.

Sausages way to go! Keep pouncing

peplum after doing this with ds the other day (both suffering winter dry skin) i'd recommend a good oily bath rather than the radox. killer to clean the bath after but worth it. don't know about anyone else but my skin is absolutely dying for some sun now and to get out from under layers of clothes.

aroomofherown Tue 09-Apr-13 19:32:35

Thanks sAf. I was going to aim for 1500 because that's what I thought I was supposed to do, so 2200 seems likes a veritable feast! I might keep it at 2000, that seems easily manageable.

well aim for 2000 a few days a week and a couple of fast days and then you won't have to feel bad or worry if you have a day or two of splurging. it's all in the balance really rather than a daily calorie intake.

i'm 5'6.5 and fractionally under 11stone and 1500 cals is about what my body needs if i don't move at all in a day - like literally laying in my bed. way too little!!!!

Bramblesinafield Tue 09-Apr-13 19:35:48

Good luck with the biopsy Ellen. Dh is coeliac and I often eat the same as him. There are lots of yummy treats out there and I think the cakes I make with the doves farm gf flour are lighter and preferable to leaded flour.

Well back on the wagon called fast yesterday and today my weight is 10 st 9lbs ( damage of 1 and a half lbs back on with the Easter week) so not as bad as it could have been. I had a great fast yesterday of 20 hours and then soup at 3 pm followed by Laskas delicious curry for dinner !
Headed for the 9 stoners club now...

brambles where do you buy the flour from? there is a lady up the road who is coeliac and relies on prescription bread. i wanted to make her a loaf in my breadmaker to see if it was any nicer - the prescription stuff is pretty vile apparently.

aroomofherown Tue 09-Apr-13 19:41:36

Good advice, thanks sAf. If this works its going to be very easy.

I buy the Dove gluten free flour from Sainsburies.

peplum41 Tue 09-Apr-13 19:41:39

incywincy
you've got your own post

Well done on the fasts, sounds good, some dont lose at first , then lose lose a whole chunk. Might depend how munchy you were in the preceding weeks as your body catches up with the deficit, plus if you've more to lose you tend to shift more initially. Check out your TDEE, green eggs has provided a link to that in the opening post, that gives you an idea how many calories to have on your non fast days. Its up to you how strict you are about that, sometimes you feel like being good , sometimes you dont. Its flexible, so fits round most of lifes little surprises quite nicely. Enjoy, and keep up with the threads if you can, its a bit baffling at first, but soon you will be an expert and hopefully feel like helping another confused new faster .

peplum41 Tue 09-Apr-13 19:48:35

Oh saf was looking at my pasty and hairy legs today and thinking Im not ready to get^ those^ out when the sun does show its face. Not got any bath oil, yeah good idea.

Dotty342kids Tue 09-Apr-13 19:50:02

headintheclouds, when did that weight fall off? That's great and good that nothing went too wrong over the Easter period too. Yup, you'll be in the 9 zone soon enough smile

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 19:51:32

Ellen good luck with the biopsy and yes, like others have said, focus on what you can eat. There's loads of choices for gluten free out there now so you can still have your cake and eat it - if you use Dove's Farm flour! (Who btw, have the best ever brownie recipe - I've been making their recipe ever since I went gluten-free 15 shock or so years ago!)

BsshBossh Tue 09-Apr-13 19:59:41

ellen good luck!

saf over a stone in less than 10 weeks is amazing. I know you've been struggling to get over the "bounce" but keep it all in perspective - you've achieved so much on this WOE.

aroomofherown so long as you keep up the gym then 2500 sounds fine (I ate close to that last year and I'm a few inches shorter than you and I still lost) but I think you'll find you'll eat less on weekdays (eg 2000) and make up for it on social (weekend) days. The key thing is that the only calorie deficit you need is provided by the two 500 cal fast days.

ellenbrody Tue 09-Apr-13 20:00:24

Thanks Betsy, I may ask you for that recipe sometime!!

Chipstick10 Tue 09-Apr-13 20:36:21

I can't remember where I read this, it was a newspaper but I can't remember which,and it was online, but it was saying that the 5.2 is not good for women as it causes diabetes but that it's been proved in studies that its good for men.
Is this just some sort of cynical ploy by manufacturers of breakfast cereals or something to get women to eat breakfast?
I am doing so good on this woe I'm scared they will find in years to come that it's very dangerous or somehting

Bramblesinafield Tue 09-Apr-13 20:39:37

We buy the doves gf flour from sainsbos. I imagine tesco's do it too. Sometimes you need a bit more of the gf flour in a recipe as it seems finer. Y can get gf pastry in the freezer section, but I often use mashed or sliced potatoes as a topping for savory pies.

ELR Tue 09-Apr-13 20:48:26

Hi everyone just read through all the posts, thinking ooh I will say this and that and now can't remember who said what!!
But well done to all the losers and maintainers especially since we are in the middle of the Easter break and the weather is truly pants!!
Hello and welcome to all new fasters just remember on fast days to drink plenty and keep in mind you can have whatever your belly desires tomorrow!
I have maintained after yesterday's fast and have over eaten today by about 200calories.
I have had another near miss on a migraine which started early last night, luckily it did not develop into a full on migraine but have had a bad headache and felt a bit sick all day and its my tom too.
Was supposed to take the kids to the cinema at the O2 and out for lunch but as I felt so rough we stayed in watched tv and ate popcorn, maltesers and mint aero bubbles!!

Whoever asked about take aways and fatty foods affecting the way we feel, well it has def affected me. I don't really eat take aways but went for a curry and a few weeks ago and felt ill the next day and the same thing happened when i recently had some kfc and now any more than a small glass of wine and I get an upset stomach. Have had two bouts of throwing up in last three weeks which is unusual for me!

ellen sorry to hear about the coeliac disease but as others have said focus on what you can eat. Mrs Crimbles coconut macaroons for one!!

Sorry epic post!!

HugAndRoll Tue 09-Apr-13 20:56:17

Fast day today. I am hungry and I think I need to reassess what I eat on a fast day to be more full.

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 21:01:22

Chipstick I just googled "fasting diabetes women" to find that article - it's in that well known scientific journal the Express, and there were no links to any sort of scientific data, just opinion. I would say that there is far better evidence to be found on these threads tbh...

PoshVoice Tue 09-Apr-13 21:02:38

First fast day of the week for me today and all is good. Just had my main meal and aiming to break my fast tomorrow midday.

Was just wondering, does anyone else here just have the same things to eat each fast day or do you vary?

Fast days for me are always :

One coffee with semi skimmed milk and one teaspoon of sugar in the morning
A boiled egg for lunch (with a bit of salt, pepper and chilli)
Supper : Either steamed salmon and broccoli with a bit of lemon on tuesdays or a portobello mushroom and halumi burger with spicy salsa on Thursdays

Anyone else as boring as me on their fast days?

BetsyVanBell Tue 09-Apr-13 21:09:26

PV I vary. However, I might have to pinch the mushroom and halloumi idea, oooh that looks good (it's a fast day, I'm hungry again!)

ellen brownie recipe beware though, it might not need cooking that long, depending on your oven - made a very disappointing batch the other day. Next time I reckon 25mins tops.

PoshVoice Tue 09-Apr-13 21:12:29

BVB : feel free, recipie is on the recipies thread.

akarucker Tue 09-Apr-13 21:18:44

PV mine is even more boring, but I like it that way. I hate to go near the kitchen on fast days: teas all day, a tub of fresh soup for late lunch, bowl of baked beans with chili flakes for dinner. Boring, filling, easy, done! Ready to eat breakfast in the morning...

ellenbrody Tue 09-Apr-13 21:23:15

Oh yum, that mushroom and halloumi burger idea sounds fab!!!
Betsy thank you for the recipe, may have to try it, you know, purely for research grin

Paintingrainbowskies Tue 09-Apr-13 21:50:24

I am on a fast day today, another fairly easy one.

To begin with I tried different patters and food and now I pretty much stick to the same things on my 2 fast days.

I have a costa Americano mid morning, a cup of bouillon stock at lunchtime and then a big vegetable and lentil curry of some sort to make up to 500 cals and I drink lots of water.

I really like a big dinner before bed so it suits me to have just a veg and lentil curry and to try and save as many cals till late evening. I also like curry because it is strong flavour and doesn't need any added accompaniments!

aroomofherown Tue 09-Apr-13 22:05:49

Thanks BssBosh. I have 3 stone to lose and I'd like to lose it by October, so it sounds possible smile

WipsGlitter Tue 09-Apr-13 22:08:47

Second attempt, first day. Went well.

WW yoghurt, salad and boiled eggs for lunch. Soup for dinner. Don't feel too hungry.

Nettnett Tue 09-Apr-13 22:10:36

Ellen
I'm coeliac as well, and as everyone is saying, concentrate on what you CAN eat, rather than what you can't, there's no need to feel deprived, I promise.
Supermarket gluten free bread is vile, try to find a bakery that makes it fresh, or make your own, not hard I swear, (no proving needed with gluten free), tastes fine, 1 hour from go to woah. Kims Gluten Free bread recipe on the web (I don't know how to do the link) blush
And always remember, there's no gluten in wine or chocolate!

PoshVoice Tue 09-Apr-13 22:12:01

Good to know I'm not the only boring one! Thanks

Nettnett Tue 09-Apr-13 22:13:26

Just remembered, I also lost 2 kilos in the first week I went gluten free, and felt so much better as well!

sausages51 Tue 09-Apr-13 22:48:42

Because I have had such positive feedback,I feel it only fair to say: I just quietly, repeatedly,calmly,just kept fasting 2 days per week....usually a Monday & Thursday, and it miraculously worked. And most importantly, throughout, on normal days have eaten just about anything. And drank it! Its stunning.

dotty the weight didn't fall off ,unfortunately it fell on!smile I was down to 10 7.5lbs the day I travelled South to my Mums for Easter. I had lots of nice meals out,wine ,chocolate .etc... Mum had no scales thank God ! So I didn't dare weigh myself till this morning after a good fast yesterday..
Hopefully it won't take too long before I'm back to 10 7.5. Then I'll be ready to tackle the next half stone to take me down to glimpse 9 st something! Enjoy your wine/ nibbles with your friend

blue2 Tue 09-Apr-13 23:11:03

Sausages - I'm going to remember your words and maybe stick them up in the kitchen where I can read them...

"Just quietly, repeatedly and calmly keep fasting 2 days a week..."

It will work!

Thank you smile

charliegreentea Tue 09-Apr-13 23:14:19

Hi everyone. Well I was going great guns leading up to an event where I had a new LBD to wear (down 10 pounds in 8 wks) but since then have been unable to get motivated to start again and must admit to indulging in far too much chocolate at Easter! Now I'm too scared to step on the scales! We are away this weekend so I have resolved to start afresh next week! The good thing is that I'm not feel guilt ridden and like I've failed. On the contrary, I'm looking forward to getting back on the straight and narrow next week smile

LexingtonBear Wed 10-Apr-13 07:31:15

Hello everyone from a long time lurker and very occasional poster. So happy today - scales have gone from 14 something (ouch) in Jan to 12 something (admittedly something quite high) today. 1.7 more to go, but yay - feeling so happy, think I'll have an impromptu extra fast to celebrate!

akarucker Wed 10-Apr-13 07:52:25

I'm still not clear on something. From a fasting health benefit point of view, is tea with milk considered breaking your fast? If it's a case of the body having to work to digest calories, then there are calories in milk. I only wonder because my aim is to go long periods before breaking my fast, to reap the health benefits, so I'm not sure if I am or not.

ellenbrody Wed 10-Apr-13 08:03:19

nettnett Thank you thanks

yes technically anything with cals is breaking the fast. i've switched to black coffee after a lifetime of white and now couldn't drink white - it tastes funny.

stunningly good scales result today - 10.11.4. it is now exactly ten weeks and i've lost 17lbs. now that's a false result probably as i'm likely to do some bouncing but i'm really pleased with it. especially given the stalling times i've had. anyone who is stalling it really doesn't mean you're stuck - just keep going.

i'm also coming to the conclusion that it's the fasts that feel hard that really do good which may be motivation to keep going on the days where i struggle as the struggle may indicate this is going to be a good one confused

also i think mixing it up works - re: i had a week where i only managed one fast and was eating more due to easter, didn't really gain from that but the following week when i got back on it i'm losing much better.

though tbh i guess having gotten my period is the main driver here. the 2 weeks before my period are really hard to lose anything.

Itsaboatjack Wed 10-Apr-13 08:21:45

Well done saf that's brilliant. I've also had a new low today, 0.5lb down from last week at 11st 5.6. That brings me to 19lbs in 11 weeks.

I'm on an eating day today and going out for lunch with some friends so I'll have to watch I don't over indulge and spoil it.

I've been reading some of the links on the hints and tips thread, there's a lot of info out there it's a lot to take in, but yes aka I agree with what saf said, for maximum health benefits on your fast it should be calorie free drinks only. One I'm reading at the moment also suggests to help improve insulin sensitivity even more to combine fasting with a low GL diet so I'm going to try that for a while and see what it's like.

Dotty342kids Wed 10-Apr-13 08:24:22

Yay swallowedafly!!
headintheclouds oops, sorry for mistake. Still, great losses overall though.
poshvoice I definitely don't eat the same every fast day. For me, weirdly, thinking about and preparing a nice 500cal evening meal helps to get me through it. As soon as I'm in the kitchen and prepping for dinner I know that food is on its way and I can get through that last couple of hours much more easily. I enjoy hunting through my old Good Food magazines for nice recipes that fall under 500 cals and trying them out. I'm gradually building a recipe bank of them so that if I am feeling uninspired one week, I can go back to ones I know are easy to make and taste good.
Monday night this week was roasted new potatoes, cherry tomatoes and asparagus with a salmon fillet on top (with tiny coating of pesto). Really quick and easy to make (it all goes in one tray) and was 490 cals.

aroomofherown Wed 10-Apr-13 08:33:27

Oh I think I've been doing it wrong because I've had a cup of tea (with milk) during my fast days. What I don't understand is if it ok to have a small breakfast on a fast day, can't you have a cup of tea instead?

Dotty342kids Wed 10-Apr-13 08:48:44

aroomofherown because there are calories in the milk so your body will have to digest those (albeit it a very small amount) and the whole idea of the fasting aspect of this, for the health benefits, is that your body gets a long break from the usual digesting / growth cycle and goes into what's known as "repair" mode. The sooner in your fast you give your body calories, the shorter the fasting period actually is. Not a huge problem if you're just after the weight loss side of things (though technically that just becomes a calorie restricting diet) but not what you want to be doing if you're after the health benefits of fasting.

Dotty342kids Wed 10-Apr-13 08:50:59

Sorry, posted too soon! Same applies to breakfast. Some people, including Dr Moseley do do a small breakfast and then a dinner so they have two shorter fasting periods eg. 7pm Monday to 7am Tuesday broken by a small breakfast and then nothing again till tea at 7pm Tuesday.
Not sure how that works given that everything else says to try to go for at least 16hrs......... sorry! Thought I could answer your question but I don't seem to have - hope someone with more understanding of the sciency bits comes along soon grin

BetsyVanBell Wed 10-Apr-13 08:54:00

aroom I almost always have a cup of tea with milk on fast day mornings - and then often a coffee with milk... Yes, your body will be doing a bit of work digesting it but not compared to eating a breakfast. If not having milk in tea would be a deal breaker to doing the fasting then that's worse isn't it?! I count the milk calories in my daily allowance but I don't count it as breaking my fast. What a lot of people here are trying to do is go as long as possible without eating so yes it's ok to have breakfast but it shortens your fast time. There's lots of evidence that points to a longer fast having more benefits for your body to repair itself (and fat burning!).

SaF I don't think you'll be seeing that 12 again :D (and if you do, ignore it and it'll go away).

BetsyVanBell Wed 10-Apr-13 08:57:29

dotty No I never remember the sciency bits either! I do feel a whole lot more virtuous when I do manage without the milk (i just have a teeny tiny splash!) but the cold weather is thwarting that at the moment... looking forward to doing this in summer, if we get one.

i bloody hope i won't be seeing 12 shock i think you mean 11 smile

basically the pure starting point of this wol is the total fast - nothing but water at all. then they say well that's unbearable for most so what if they have a small amount of cals (500) - do we still see benefits? yes we do and it's far more attainable and sustainable.

so it's like a sliding scale. peak health benefits are from fasting - with between 12 and 24hrs being where the really good bits happen apparently. but the nearer to that you can do the better and as they've shown there are still health benefits with small amounts of cals being taken in. DrM couldn't bear starting a working day on an empty stomach so he has a small breakfast and small tea. others of us find if we eat breakfast we want to eat all day so a) not having it helps us and b) we're getting more health benefits allegedly.

however you do it is good - as you go forward you may want to aim for more - but if not then fine.

for me i cut the milk partly because of the cals issue on fast days and partly because i actually drink a lot of coffee every day and adding up all those milk cals on fast days made me realise that actually it was a lot of pointless cals being added onto my day everyday and meant every day i was pouring in dairy which isn't really a human need. blah blah sorry! but i'm really glad i drink black coffee now and have permanently gotten rid of a source of cals that was part of my daily life and hasn't been replaced iwth anything.

BetsyVanBell Wed 10-Apr-13 09:12:46

Swallowed blush

i did start at 12 though bvb and i really hope never to see it again grin

sweetkitty Wed 10-Apr-13 09:25:21

Second fast day for me today, woke up quite hungry this morning too.

I always have a cup of tea with milk in it in the morning and half a spoonful of sugar blush I'm not religious with the 500 cals thing either, if I went to 600 I wouldn't be too bothered. Going to try and make it to 5pm today or at least 4pm and have a slim a soup if I'm really hungry.

Got my 55 squats to do as well grin

I have definitely lost 2lbs as I weighed myself twice yesterday and this morning and it's still off. But let's see what a week brings.

If only it would come off these big chunky thighs.

monster54 Wed 10-Apr-13 09:45:13

Second fast for me today....

Although my tummy is still in a bad way from the weekend grin(

Urrrgggghhhh!!! Just a herbal tea so far this morning. Its funny with this WOL I've noticed changes in my clothes first before I see the numbers move on the scales....I seriously need some new bras!!! Poor deflated bee stings are getting lost!! Ha ha!

BetsyVanBell Wed 10-Apr-13 10:09:08

sweetkitty I have those thighs too and it is coming off now - took a couple of months though! Now tackling the waist too small for trousers that fit thighs issue though. Love having a tiny waist again grin

greenfig Wed 10-Apr-13 10:10:46

First time post fast day that I have lost ...NOTHING!!! shock
Anybody else had that happen? I'm not at a low either confused
sweetkitty I am desperately trying to sort out the chunky thighs! I do popilates on you tube. It's a killer, I would link if I knew how!
Well done saf your perseverance has paid off smile
Right I'm off to do a Jillian, feeling very wibbly wobbly jelly buttocked grin

BetsyVanBell Wed 10-Apr-13 10:12:26

Something would have to go seriously wrong to see 12 again swallowed! I spent so long waiting to see 10 that I'm really shocked to realise I might see 9 sometime in the not too distant future... shock

silverbeetle Wed 10-Apr-13 10:31:22

Morning all

SAF bloody great result, feel euphoric for you. I also seem to stick at certain weights then for no apparent reason a few pounds drop off!

Ha ha monster think I also need some new bras, hubby offered me a pair of socks the other morning and not to put on my feet blush

An almost milestone for me yesterday 10st 7.4lb (so very close to 10 st 7lb) but that was after a fast and predictably bounced up to 10st 8lb this morning. However I have glimpsed it which means that 10st could be achievable sometime in the 'summer' wink.

greenfig yes that also happened to me once in the beginning but I think it was due to 'waste storage'. The scales did move a day or so later.

sweetkitty Wed 10-Apr-13 10:38:06

Oh yes I also have the gaping waist trousers but squeezing the thighs into them. I look odd can you imagine a skinny-ish wee body with no boobs hmm then these things that jut out, I look like I'm wearing you know those odd aviator WW2 trousers well them grin

I did go on dressipi fantastic site for anyone who doesn't know about it, you type in your measurements and sizes etc and they tell you what to wear, from there I bought this lovely 50s style prom dress which really flatters my shape, fitted at the boobs and waist but flares out to hide chunky thighs. Just wish I could find jeans that did the same grin

Iwearblack Wed 10-Apr-13 10:51:14

Yeah saf well done! I have touched under 11 on 'unofficial' weighin days but I only record on each Tuesday and annoyingly was 11.0 again yesterday - that's 4 weeks now! Still - it is within my grasp!!

Twinmama32 Wed 10-Apr-13 10:53:35

Hi
Can I join you? I've been lurking awhile... I started 5:2 at the beginning of feb after devouring (excuse pun!) dr m's book in an afternoon. Quite honestly I can say I've not looked back. I've got pcos which in the past has dictated my weight. 3 years ago I managed to lose 2.5 stone to get down to a healthy bmi, I then fell pregnant with twins 6 months later which was amazing and terrifying! I actually lost weight through my pregnancy due to a very stressful period so when I had the babies I weighed less than before! However I then proceeded to put my baby weight on after they arrived and ended up at 14.7 stone...talk about doing it backwards!!
At Christmas last year I felt like I'd never be able to lose the weight and was contemplating diet pills when late jan I had an epiphany in the shape of dr M and also a 24hr bug which saw me lose 6Ibs , suddenly I was motivated!

I've been on mn reading all the posts and I'm so inspired, I just wanted to share my weight loss to help motivate other newbies. I'm 5'7" and at the start I weighed 14 stone 1Ib, 8 weeks in I've lost a 15Ibs. My goal is to lose another 2-2.5 stone by september.
I've pretty much been doing 5:2 but sometimes throw in an extra fast if I've been a bit naughty!

Best of luck to everyone, I am so excited about what's to come and I wish everyone the same success I've had so far. smile

plecofjustice Wed 10-Apr-13 11:11:38

Need to have a grumble!!

OK, so yesterday was an eat day, but on my weekday eat days, I keep to TDEE-20% (1590cals in my case) to allow me some weekend leeway.

How did I manage to "spend" 213 cals on a grapefruit and a punnet of blueberries??!! NO wonder I'm hungry today (fast day) as had to cut out some dinner to keep below target.

Grrr fruit!

monster54 Wed 10-Apr-13 11:17:28

It's only 11:15am and STRUGGLING!!!!

Just feel so tired today!!!

greenfig Wed 10-Apr-13 11:51:23

I feel for you monster I struggled on Monday & had to do Tues instead which went relatively easily confused
Can you keep going? Look at it as almost lunch time perhaps. I know lots on here find eating a snack 'breaks the seal' as it were, but I can never manage to go right through. I have a late lunch, after school snack then early supper. One late large meal & I was v wobbly & grumpy!

plecofjustice Wed 10-Apr-13 11:59:29

Hey Monster, feeling it with you. I'm fasting today, got my celery ready for 12:30..... I've never managed to make it all the way through and still be clear-headed enough to function at work, so I modify to suit myself.

I've planned my dinner for tonight, and my breakfast for tomorrow to cheer myself up.

We'll get there! What was it Sausages said upthread? "quietly, repeatedly and calmly keep fasting"

monster54 Wed 10-Apr-13 12:03:23

Thanks greenfig....

I am going to hold on till 1pm and then head out from work for a fresh soup. Or I might grab 2 one for lunch and one for dinner....

I know there are a couple for the 250cal mark and then that'll be me done for the day!!!

Breadandwine Wed 10-Apr-13 12:08:01

To break up the morning, when the day seems to stretch ahead, do some exercise:

Do some star jumps
Put a dance CD on and dance around your kitchen
Do a 20 sec HIT exercise - up and down on the first step of your stairs - see how many you can do in that time and then try and break your record
Stand on one leg, a la Dr M in the Horizon prog - no matter where you are in your 5:2 WOL, it'll set a bench mark for the future.
I can do 30 secs plus on each leg (been IFing for a long time) - if I can do it, there's no reason why you can't!

You'll feel a lot better after any of these exercises - and suddenly, the day is brighter! smile

Promise! grin

monster54 Wed 10-Apr-13 12:08:04

Thanks poj it's not even hunger today I just feel really tired and headachy!

I know I know....water water....I've had a few herbal teas this morning but will fill my water bottle up!!!

greenfig Wed 10-Apr-13 12:17:10

You can do it!

Treacleq Wed 10-Apr-13 12:20:55

Thanks for the support saf and Peplum, had a bit of a breakthrough this morning thankfully!

For those that didn't see my first post (and who can keep up?!) I weighed 15 st at Xmas - a real shock to me. I'm 5.10, 30 yo and was 13 st in April last year! I was so depressed and felt forced to act - I tried another diet and failed miserably putting on 8 lbs in January!

I have now lost those 8 lbs! Been doing 5:2 for 5 weeks so far and lost about 6 lbs in the first week and then nothing for the last three weeks and now the rest has gone too! I'm hoping to keep going right down to 12 stone.. I will keep going!

Thanks for all the posts and support on here - I really couldn't do it without this! flowers

plecofjustice Wed 10-Apr-13 12:29:55

Hi treacleq

You sound pretty similar to me, I'm a similar height and managed to gain 2 stone in the course of a year 18 months ago due to comfort eating. I've been fasting since September, and am now down to 12.8ish and still losing. Like you, I want to get to 12, and I'm so excited that it's in sight now!!

Chipstick10 Wed 10-Apr-13 13:28:46

Apart from weight loss has anyone found any improvements in medical conditions, or extra health benefits?

plecofjustice Wed 10-Apr-13 14:09:23

Hi Chipstick,

My IBS has improved significantly, and it's now very unusual for me to get the big D, whereas before I started fasting it was happening most days. Maybe my body has learnt it needs to hold on to all the food it can get when I'm feeding it!

Look through the previous threads too, a few people have seen biochemical markers improving too.

ELR Wed 10-Apr-13 14:16:18

hi everyone, such nice weather today sitting in the park catching up on posts!
greenfig...... I maintained this week post fast and then this morning have gained 1/4 of a pound!! So not happy but also not unhappy as had lots of popcorn yedterdsy!!

BsshBossh Wed 10-Apr-13 14:20:03

greenfig I've maintained after weighing in post-fasts for the last 2 weeks. I've been on this road a long while now so am quite calm about it. Slow and steady wins the race for me.

mehefin Wed 10-Apr-13 14:21:16

Hi Twinmama32

Your weight loss is very similar to mine and same height. I was 12st 10 nearly 2 weeks ago (a monthly weigher here)after starting late Jan at 13st 13

Glad it is going so well .

I have a friend doing her first fast today she said everywhere she goes she meets people following this WOE so she's joined in

greenfig Wed 10-Apr-13 14:46:10

Thanks silverbeetle Bsh & ELR smile
I've had a much reduced appetite today so perhaps things are getting back in the groove post Easter. Enjoyed this ams exercise & got loads done today which feels great. Good luck to todays fasters, you're nearly there! Who's fasting tomorrow?

greenfig I've had fasts with no loss or only 100g (though thankfully I haven't yet managed to fast AND get heavier!)

chipstick since I started 5:2 almost 7 weeks ago I have cleared my acne and improved my digestion no end. I had a few tummy upsets in the first couple of weeks but everything is stable now. I'm so much less hungry too, though I also think I have had so much more practice at going 'wait til later before you eat' that it's easier than it ever used to be! Losing 14lbs is a bonus too smile

Up at 5.30am today to go to the passport office, needed something I wasn't aware of and get to go back tomorrow, nice....at least it's good for my step count!

Oops almost forgot... yippee for saf !!

Hello. I've been lurking and researching so wanted to join in.

I am on my 2nd fast day. To see if I can do it, I fasted one day last week and one day this week. It has gone well, so I'll be upping to 2 days from next week.
After 2 children I am horribly overweight and have tried so many diets but can't cope with having to calorie count and menu plan, especially with 2 dc under 5. I am an 'all or nothing' sort of person. I'd rather have nothing that try to work out what will keep calories low every day. I also like the health benefits but primarily want to lose weight.

On my fast days I have had a cup of tea with milk, a plum and banana for lunch and a homemade broth of carrots, celery, cabbage, leeks and celeriac simmered in water. I have also had a cup of bovril. I don't know if that's under 500 cals but I'm pretty sure it is.

I saw the comments about not having milk in tea first thing but at the moment I couldn't do that.

One question, is it normal to have a splitting headache when you start to fast? On both days I've had a terrible headache down the left hand side, almost like toothache.

greenfig i had it last week and was gutted - but this week i've dropped loads (not that it will necessarily stay there but ykwim) so don't despair.

been out with my work group and done our visit and filming and had lunch at prezzo - did the two course lunch menu but left half my starter and some of my main too so didn't go overboard. did have a beer though and am now home and having another. but hey what would be the benefit of this wol if you were 'dieting' every day???

thanks for congrats. bit scared of what tomorrow will hold! ime so far though once a weight has been seen it'll be banked and beaten soon enough.

did sunday and tuesday this week so not sure if i'll fit another in or not. will see how i go. whatever happens it's back to work proper on monday and i will fast then.

silverbeetle Wed 10-Apr-13 16:17:16

Hi MrsArchchancellor

I'd say your fast menu was well under 500 cals. I often make my own vege soup and add a vege stock cube and black pepper to liven it up a bit. I used to be a real tea monster - couldn't get out of bed before a cup with milk and never touched coffee. That's now all changed and I mostly drink weak black coffee instead of tea on fast days (unless it's herbal) and it does the trick, so might be worth giving it a go.
I also suffered from afternoon headaches during the first few fasts, I think it's to do with your body not being able to get energy from sugars in your blood and having to use stored fat instead which is much harder work. I also used to get a horrible taste in my mouth. My advice is to try and drink lots of water as this does help and eventually the body seems to get used to the fasting and the headaches stop.

Good luck for next week.

Chipstick10 Wed 10-Apr-13 16:21:33

Thanks for the replies. I keep waiting to feel marvellous. Yes I've lost weight and yes I feel in control, I'm not sure what else I was expecting.

OOps, something else I forgot...killing time at Victoria station this morning waiting for the passport office to open, I read an article about 5:2 in Zest magazine in WHSmith (as you do!) It wasn't particularly positive, neither was it particularly scientific (e.g. only about one person's experience, she did it for four weeks and stuffed herself silly when not fasting for the first two weeks). It portrays IF as the latest diet bandwagon. They should have interviewed us lot and got a much better article instead!

FiFizz Wed 10-Apr-13 16:41:05

Fast day for me today, but im also struggling with a terrible headache. I've had two crisp breads with cucumber and tomato with a little balsamic at lunch.Drinking lots of water to try and ease headache, really don't want it to turn into a migraine sad. Planning to have a glorious soup and veg for supper.

plecofjustice Wed 10-Apr-13 17:11:45

Fast day and craving raw garlic.

Am I weird, or is it just the ketoney taste in my mouth? - 30 cals consumed since last night....

garlic is a natural antibiotic and antiseptic. go for it if you're craving it. when i'm ill i grate garlic into a cup, grate ginger on top and squeeze in lemon and add boiling water.

ELR Wed 10-Apr-13 17:44:56

plec as long as you are sleeping alone tonight!!

Laska42 Wed 10-Apr-13 18:03:50

I just posted this on the maintainers thread , but thought i would here also.., just in case anyone is looking for encouragement..

I have been WOE since last august . when I saw the Horizon programme and started the same week .

I've been off work today having a bit of a blitz on the house as i've been neglecting it lately ( not that its just my job ,mind ) hmm. Have been through the wardrobe again , and I'm not really whining (OK I am a little) , but its a bit gutting to see all the spring and summer clothes I'm going to have to ebay .

I'm nearly 2 stone a lighter than this time last year (nearly 4 stone all told) and of course I'm thrilled , but as I'd been been stuck at that weight for a couple of years I had decided that was probably that, and Id never get any thinner than I was then.

So ,last spring I treated myself to a new summer wardrobe from nice places like Monsoon, Boden and White Stuff etc. Thinking it would all last me for some years.

But what with the rotten summer last year and this wonderful WOE I'm now going to have to get rid of nearly all of it and its almost (and in some cases ,totally) unworn ! .. especially the summer dresses.

I can probably get a couple altered I think ,but as for the rest its no good keeping them I'm never going to get that big again ..

(And now most of my my sz 10 jeans are also too big )
Also someone else mentioned that their shoes were too big? A few of of mine are too. Who'd have thought that I had fat feet? they didnt look fat but perhaps all the extra weight had spread then out

But Grrr angry and gringrin

Shall I send Dr Mosley the bill do you think?

Anyone up for some nice 10s, 12s and 14s? if so, ill let you know when they are on ebay

Eating day.. I have fish cakes stuffed with cheese today.. YUM! might have a wine also. This is such a fantastic WOE .

Miffytastic Wed 10-Apr-13 18:26:25

Oooh yes please Laska do we get a 5:2 clique discount wink?

Minimammoth Wed 10-Apr-13 18:27:45

I have sustained my lower weight today which is reassuring, but I have succumbed to a Pub pie. Now feeling horribly bloated. Fast tomorrow.

frenchfancy Wed 10-Apr-13 18:29:06

Yes do let us know Laska. I'm still buying some stuff from ebay as none of my old clothes fit. I am a bit wary of buying new in case I get the same problem as you. I'm firmly in size 12 tops, but my nice size 12 skirts I bought on ebay not long ago are getting a bit loose.

Laska42 Wed 10-Apr-13 18:38:19

I wont put up the summer stuff quite yet, but have 3 pairs of virtually new Monsoon and Laura Ashley linen trousers (the LA ones are unworn) as well as a fab Boden linen dress which sold out (will be looking for it again in a sz 10 .. hopefully someone else will have had the same problem!! ) ..

Here's hoping it will be warm enough for linen this year eh?

Chipstick10 Wed 10-Apr-13 18:48:59

I can remember every year for at least the last ten I have dreaded the good weather approaching and have positively embraced the cold weather because I know I can hide and wrap up. This year I am feeling very different
Ok I'm not quite there yet but my confidence is gaining.

Hasywell Wed 10-Apr-13 18:50:08

Laska42 thank you for that delicious recipe for aubergine, chick pea and spinach curry - finally made a big pot and love it! Will definitely be a fast day favourite! I feel your pain re the clothes situation -buy favourite clothes are quickly becoming to big but I am a little reticent to buy too much that is smaller at moment. Although in your case you can celebrate the need for another shopping trip and that perfect excuse for even more clothes shopping! grin

Laska42 Wed 10-Apr-13 19:00:10

oh and the other great thing about this WOE is in all the many, many years I did weightwatchers. I never would have eaten fish cakes stuffed with cheese.

Fasting again tomorrow! it'll be eggs for breakfast as usual and I just made a pot of vegetable goulash soup and ill have some for an early dinner .

I still eat two meals on fasting days and have done all the way through except for a couple of times. it suits me best and i've still lost weight. I do have a 16hr widow of no food whatsoever though, just mint tea and water . I usually have real black coffee in the mornings as well.

There's no one 'right' way to do this WOE, except to only eat 500 cals (or 600 for a bloke) ..so its best to experiment for yourselves. DR M nearly always has 2 meals ..

Those of us who have been around a while think the 16hr non-eating window is optimum to give the health benefits you are looking for (but of course we are all experimenting here as the science is young. Some people do 24hrs.. I do try for that sometimes but have usually caved at about 20/22 grin .

But If you are just starting out , though, just stick with your 500/600..over the 36hrs . i e. eat dinner ,go to bed, eat 500 cals the next day , go to bed, eat normal breakfast.

You can think about timings later on if you want to ..no need to complicate matters or make it more difficult than you need. it will work (well it has for most people , but a few have been unlucky) as it is and sometimes simple is just best smile

Laska42 Wed 10-Apr-13 19:03:25

Glad you liked it hasywell . We love it so much that we eat it even on non-fast days round here!

I do recommend the Mr Ls roasted carrot and red pepper soup also (and my borchst if you like beetroot ) . Both are on the recipe thread

Dotty342kids Wed 10-Apr-13 19:12:22

Hi laska, great to hear your successes, and yes, do let us know when you put the clothes on ebay! I'm only just starting out on this journey so my clothes are now fitting comfortably, as opposed to uncomfortably! I'm a way off actually dropping a clothes size but definitely looking forward to it.
Mind you, if I keep eating home made rocky road cake on my eating days (as per today - oops!) I'm going to be waiting rather a long time.
Fasting tomorrow so that'll stop me, thank goodness!

Chipstick10 Wed 10-Apr-13 19:21:16

Just filled my tum for the first time today. Lightly breaded fish with a massive plate of salad. Yum.

Minimammoth Wed 10-Apr-13 19:23:19

Thanks for the encouragement Laska.

akarucker Wed 10-Apr-13 19:28:02

laska that was great to read! Thank you.

Laska42 Wed 10-Apr-13 19:32:57

grin dotty though i've found my tastes have completely changed on this WOE. As well as my portion sizes on eating days which have become 'naturally smaller - I find I dont 'need to eat so much and do get fuller quicker (or am now able to recognise when I'm full, I think that's what eating such a small amount on fast days does, retrains your stomach). . it took a few weeks though to get to that

Actually I now ask my self if I think what I'm eating on eating days is is 'worth' spending the calories on,and if its not , I dont bother and now find im eating only what i really like and am not worried about going hungry if i cant get lunch or something. Id rather wait for something decent than have (say) a supermarket sandwich.

I've also taken on board B&Ws tip of waiting 20mins before I eat the second helping of anything, and quite often I dont actually have it (except that doesn't seem to be working for wine though, hmmgrin)

However I do eat a bit of (V dark, as I like that best) chocolate sometimes now when I wouldn't allow myself to have any before.

Good luck with it, you'll soon be ebaying things yourself!

Laska42 Wed 10-Apr-13 19:34:06

good luck all.. must go do some other stuff now..

mamamoomin2 Wed 10-Apr-13 19:53:35

Well. I am going to get n focus back and get back on with losing weight. I've got a bit lazy and go over 500 on fasts days and not watching what I eat on other days.

Since starting in Jan, I was losing weight like no tomorrow! Averaging 3lb a week. Got to under 11st and gave been hovering between 10.7 and 11.1 for past 5 weeks. Grrr.

I also stopped using mfp, switched from 5:3 to 4:2 and stopped reading this thread! So I am going back to square one and tracking, 4:3 and mostly lurking here smile

Please, please let me get back on track. I was doing so well. Although I do appreciate it could just be a natural plateau and will start shifting again anyway. I hope!!

monster54 Wed 10-Apr-13 19:59:49

I MADE IT!!!! YES!!!!

Soup late lunch and again for dinner...nice shower and early bed....was a real struggle today but posts and success stories people share just kept me going!

Hope to see a nice loss this week...will try not to get my hopes up as I'm due a plateu!!

ellenbrody Wed 10-Apr-13 20:05:16

Well done monster!

Dotty342kids Wed 10-Apr-13 20:11:35

mamamoomin2 I think it's easy to get complacent. I know my current plateau has coincided with me stopping using MFP so really need to get back on with that. Fast day tomorrow so that's covered but back to MFP after that!

delilahmoo Wed 10-Apr-13 20:15:44

Ohh nice to find this thread! Did my first fast on Monday, went ok. 2 days of normal eating ( I tend to eat low fat low carb anyhow, but weekends are relaxed with a fair bit of wine!) have been wanting to shift half a stone to 10 pounds for ages ( Im 9 stone 5, 5 foot 4 and 39 years old) like the look of the health benifits rolled in with the 5:2 plus it seems do able for a social life! Day 2 fast tomorrow. Does it make a big difference as to when you eat your 500 cals in most peoples experience? Have not read back through the whole thread as it's way too long! My job is fairly physical and I'm a bit worried about lack of energy tomorrow but need to have a evening meal so can't consume too much in the day. Any advice appreciaterd!

mamamoomin2 Wed 10-Apr-13 20:29:18

Back on it dotty!

I just want the focus and ease I had at the start. I found fast days pretty ok! Now they are quite sorry...and no loss I find quite demotivating.

Onwards and downwards!

Toofattooold Wed 10-Apr-13 20:42:54

Hi! I'm A newbie! Completed 3 fasts so far and haven't lost a pound! Hoping some weight loss will kick in soon. Did find my 3rd fast very easy so that's positive. Went out for lunch and dinner on Monday to celebrate my anniversary so that probably didn't help my calorie intake. I'm going to try and be good this week. I tend to eat all my calories in the evening! Looking to lose 9 pounds to fall beneath the 10st mark!

WhitingLikeTheFish Wed 10-Apr-13 22:14:39

My second day of posting. Hello everyone. I got over my Malteezer mini melt down and had a good fast day yesterday. That was my 9th fast and it really does seem to be getting easier. I'm going to try and be patient about staying the same weight since my second week - Im sure it'll just suddenly go.

Feel rather heavy though listening to all you guys going to break into the 10st on 9st category. I'm 14 stone 10 and feel a right heffer!

Ate well today will do the same tomorrow and then fast friday - I'm praying the scales will be good to me on Saturday morning.

greenfig yes Im another who's managed to lose nothing/ nada after a fast and its soul destroying when youve worked so hard to fast.
saf well done on your loss.17 lbs is amazing and its obvious from all your posts on here how much effort you put in..
laska42 thanks for your inspiring posts ..Im another huge fan of the aubergine curry on any day.I usually make a batch and have it on both my fast days ( its even better on my second fast day of the week when the flavours have developed.)
For any people new to this WOE I'll second that there is no right or wrong way of doing this as long as you keep to under 500 ish cals after your fast. I dont think it makes much difference whether you have split the cals into 2 meals or save it for 1 meal in the evening.
You have to do whatever works for you personally. I always go as long as possible ,usually break my fast at 3 pm ( about 20 hours fast) with low cal soup and have about 350 cals for my evening meal around 7 pm.
ive lost 8.5 lbs in 10 weeks which personally I think is a sloooooow loss...BUT its a loss and as long as it keeps coming off I try not to get too hung up about it.I get a bitenvy of those who I perceive to have had far quicker losses than me in the same amount of time but we are all different arent we ....sorry long post!

by the way good luck to all Thursday fasters .me included. Im spending a day with my child in hospital tomorrowDS is having a small op. Have to be in hospital at 0800 starved ( him not me grin ) . Ill either find it easy because I wont have access to anything till later or blardy difficult because Ill be bored whilst he's in theatre and Ill need to raid the shop.

Laska42 Wed 10-Apr-13 22:53:14

whiting chin up girl! .. I was 13st 10 when I started dieting on weight watchers and I lost 2 stone very very very slooooowly , stalled at 11st 10ish for about 2 years and thought that was it for me until I started this WOE last August).

By Christmas I was down to 10st 2 and i've bounced around t 10st - 10,1 ever since ( but was thrilled with that and pleased to maintain. )
So I have only really been fasting 6:1 now for a couple of months.

But I have started back on 4:3 (Sun, Tues. Thurs) this last week because I'd like to shift another half stone for my June holiday. 4:3 because it suits my lifestyle and so I can winewine Friday and Sat (yes i know its bad..but hey ho)

I wouldnt want to go any lower than 9:7,(which still feels like an impossible dream, compared to what I was) because at 55 I think id look far to gaunt .

Paintingrainbowskies Wed 10-Apr-13 22:54:12

WhitingLikeTheFish I'm another who has more to lose, I'm currently 14 stone 3, started this woe in Feb at 15 stone exactly. Have to say though I'm encouraged by all the smaller posters on this thread, I think I'm learning lots about how slim people eat!

Eating day here and gone AWOL, too many treats and snacks. If there is one thing this woe is teaching me is why I'm overweight in the first place, my snacking and portion control was/is out of control.

akarucker Wed 10-Apr-13 23:03:45

painting whiting I'm another one...bigger than either of you! Started at a whopping 15st 10lbs. Eight weeks on I'm at 14st13lbs. Have stalled for a couple of weeks. Easter threw me off a bit (I can't undo years of bad habits in just a couple of months), but these posts are keeping me motivated and inspired. Fast day tomorrow. Looking forward to it.

WhitingLikeTheFish Wed 10-Apr-13 23:16:08

akaruker painting and laska thanks girls good to know you're out there and all embracing this new WOL. I started at 15 3 but know I'd been heavier before that. Dog walking our new pup was already helping to ebb the tide. Like lots I'm using the MFP app and loving using it - especially the bar code reader. I am trying to stick around the calorie goal that it set for me. Early on I was often under - coz of long daily walks. Maybe I should have eaten more - don't know there seems to be 50% of folk dieting on their 5 days a week and it works for them and the other 50 eating as close to their calorie goal and a little over and it works better for them. I've no idea which camp I should be in so seem to do a little bit of both. More diet-y in the week and less so at the weekend. Very good on Fast days so hoping that overall I will win.

sweetkitty Wed 10-Apr-13 23:41:54

Not very good fast day here today hmm cracked at 1pm had low cal soup, then a bit of chocolate Easter egg before dinner of new potatoes and salad. Why it went wrong?

I don't think I had enough to eat yesterday I woke up famished.
Didn't drink enough
I was cold all day

But the WiiFit said I was down a pound and this was at 4.30pm so good amount of liquid on board.

I'm loving this WOE though even though I haven't got much to lose I think ill still fast for health benefits, it's taught me that I need to drink a lot more and not to stuff my face until I'm uncomfortably full.

Eating day tomorrow and ill do a mini fast on Friday to make up for today.

Breadandwine Thu 11-Apr-13 01:16:57

Don't forget all the health benefits that accrue on this WOL even though the scales aren't moving.

Think of it as inadvertent maintaining. grin

All the evidence is that you will lose weight, eventually.

A trip to the docs (for something else) has seen me diagnosed (last Friday) with coeliac disease! I'm waiting for the biopsy to confirm it, but I had high levels of gluten antibodies in my blood.

Ellen, if you are diagnosed as coeliac, in one sense you'll be better off than those who have gluten/wheat allergies, intolerances, etc, in that you'll entitled to prescription breads and flour. In the past I've run gluten-free breadmaking workshops, and we've made all the breads I would normally make, only using gluten-free flours - Juvela and Glutafin, in the main.

I have a post on my blog, which has a lot of info on this subject which you and others may find helpful:

nobreadisanisland.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/gluten-free-breads-and-baking.html

Plus I have GF cake and pancake recipes on the blog.

Best wishes for Friday, B&W

Toofattooold Thu 11-Apr-13 07:07:30

Fast day today for me - my fourth. It's great to read so many posts about how you have all lost so much weight. I will use this as my inspiration to keep going despite not losing weight so far. I usually look for any excuse to give up! Good luck to all fasters today!

greenfig Thu 11-Apr-13 07:54:24

toofattooold I LOVE your name, wish I'd thought of it grin You'll get there, keep going!
I was doing really well (eat day yest) then dithered about evening meal timing as DS was at a sports thingy. Opted to eat when he & DH got back & ended up having a glass of wine while I waited for them. Had another when they got back, a late supper & then had a plate of cheese.
This led to overheating in the middle of the night & sleeping badly & a hangover this am & I have to fast sad I had been so virtuous all day, eaten clean & healthy, which was what I fancied, now I feel pants, & I'm up another lb this am!! I conclude that I need to be more control freaky about eating times not leading me to the slippery slope!
Already had tea with milk, hope we all have a good fast day.

ha! today the scales say i'm 4.4lbs heavier than yesterday. which according to the cals rule would mean i ate about 13000 calories too many yesterday. hmm.

i did eat two big meals one of which was chinese so am probably full of salt and water. i expected an up but 4.4lbs is crazy. not sure if i'll fast today or not as i only just did tuesday. will not eat this morning and will decide in the early afternoon if it's a fast day or not.

Minimammoth Thu 11-Apr-13 08:20:52

Oh no SAF. I had a pub pie yesterday, so am expecting repercussions. I am going to do a fast day, but have got a v. Busy long day and might get hungry for carbs.

Minimammoth Thu 11-Apr-13 08:24:47

Breads swine I read that they are going to do away with the prescription gluten free stuff. Reasons being that it is now widely available. Apparently.

Minimammoth Thu 11-Apr-13 08:27:05

Bread swine!,!, that sounds so rude, I apologise on behalf of my iPad Breadandwine

BetsyVanBell Thu 11-Apr-13 08:36:26

Sounds like a massive amount of water retention saf - yikes!

Well I'm definitely fasting today after a big eating day yesterday - and remembered not to have milk in my tea without thinking! I had a plate of cheese and apple and a curly wurly late last night so my system's got plenty of dairy to be dealing with without me plonking milk in my system today. Went to bed feeling uncomfortably full.

For those new starters who have lots to lose - 19 months ago I was 13st 5 having spent most of my healthy adult life naturally at 11ish stone (but looked slim on it). Discovering I'd put on 2 stone without noticing was an eye opener so I made an effort eat healthily and record everything I ate to re-assess my eating (and exercising) habits. Through this I lost 2 stone but got stuck at 11stone something, which I didn't mind as I knew I was at my 'normal' level. But I had a Dexa scan which revealed I was over 40% fat, which shocked me and motivated me. However, my usual method of weight loss (calorie restriction essentially) seemed to be unsustainable and hard work, and then there was Christmas which piled 7lbs back on and therefore undoing all my hard work! So in Jan I started IF (5:2) and since then I've easily lost 12lbs - and finally got myself to my goal of being in 'normal' BMI range - and am a lower weight than I've ever been healthily. The scales are still moving downwards. I'm currently 10st 4ish and can see that 9 stone something is a possibility now so am vaguely aiming for it but don't mind how long it takes!

At this point I'm enjoying the weight loss but it isn't the primary motivator. There is a history of type 2 diabetes in the family and I see no reason why I should end up going down that route. Plus high cholesterol levels on the (slim) other side of my family. I had blood work done a year ago as part of a study (along with the Dexa) and am hoping to get some of the blood tests done again to see if there's any improvements. Not sure how I go about convincing a doc to do this! Any tips gratefully received!

Morning all and welcome new posters smile

My second fast of the week has been postponed til tomorrow - DP wants to go out for a curry tonight!

I have only bounced up 300g since completing my mammoth 36 hour no food fast on Monday, so I'm pleased about that.

saf 4 pounds?!! No way!!

Paintingrainbowskies Thu 11-Apr-13 08:43:25

Morning, fast day here. Scales have moved up this week, hoping its hormonal or water and not actual increase.

As per usual my plan for today is nothing but water, coffee and a bouillon drink around lunchtime then a reasonable 500 calorie dinner, usually vegetable and lentil curry.

I do my fasts on a Tuesday and I sway between Thursday and Friday.

i know postman - not possible really is it? going to not eat for the morning and let my digestive system have a chance to work then weigh again and see what it says. think i will try and fast today though. enjoy your curry.

ELR Thu 11-Apr-13 08:53:29

Well I'm up 2lbs this morning!! What's going on......?
Fasting today so hoping for a good way in tomorrow which is the one I count, but still disheartening.
greenfig try drinking wine in a champagne glass it takes longer to drink and feels more like a treat, we'll I think so anyway and I can have two glasses without feeling like I've had too much.

ELR Thu 11-Apr-13 08:56:46

postman was it you that got the fitbit one? How are you finding it? I am waiting for the fitbit flex to come out but getting impatient so may buy a one or a zip. Sorry if it isn't you!

yes ELR it was me! It arrived on Saturday. I haven't worn it to sleep yet, just everywhere else. I'm still getting used to the way fitbit and MFP interact. I exceeded 20000 steps yesterday thanks to traipsing around town, Westfield and then the gym. It's a bit ambitious sometimes - no way have I already climbed 17 floors, more like 6 or 7!

ELR Thu 11-Apr-13 09:28:47

Watching Nigela Express in bed. Prob not the best thing to do on a fast day morning!

Whitecat Thu 11-Apr-13 09:49:11

2lb up for me today but it seems I'm in good company so will just have to shrug it off and keep going.

BetsyVanBell Thu 11-Apr-13 09:51:23

Just did a weigh in and I'm 2lbs up as well!

Minimammoth Thu 11-Apr-13 10:06:11

Am holding steady despite the pie.

well then! it must be the moon or something effecting our scales! glad of the company in the freaky weight gain wagon. sorry if that's selfish wink

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Apr-13 10:09:23

oh I had such a bad day yesterday. I was in complete binge mentality - several packs of crisps / couple of choc bars / pieces of home made rocky road etc etc.
Am no way going to see a shift on the scales this week. Feel so cross with myself!
Fast today and tomorrow I'm back on MFP with a vengeance!

bugsyburge Thu 11-Apr-13 10:12:39

morning ladies, I've had an odd couple of week with this WOL. last week I just couldn't get into the fasting mindframe but with the use of MFP I was only eating about 1200kcal per day... not ideal but atleast not stuffing my face everyday....

this week I have got back into the fasting & really enjoyed it.... got on the scales yday and ive lost 1.5lbs so im happy with that grin .

free day for me today but really not that hungry- does anyone else sometimes struggle to eat their allotted calories on feed days? it's quite annoying because I worry that I'm starving myself!!!!angry

DippyDoohDahDay Thu 11-Apr-13 10:31:36

Hi, new to this, boo ordered. My friend told me about it. I have looked at a couple of threads, am I right in thinking the weight loss is moderate/ slow?
Am weighing up whether to do this or slimming world again....

DippyDoohDahDay Thu 11-Apr-13 10:31:52

Book ordered...

ELR Thu 11-Apr-13 10:32:37

swallowed not selfish just human nature! It just makes us feel we aren't alone in the ups and downs of this woe.
Just had a cup of coffee and worked out my meals and calories for the day. I've got some lentil and butternut squash soup and tuna, bean and sweet corn salad for late lunch then eggs in purgatory and asparagus for dinner. Two cups of tea with milk brings me in at 493 calories for the day.

bugsy never struggle to eat my cals wish I did!! I don't usually overeat though so that's a good thing.

dotty put it down to a blip, we are allowed them every now and again. You are back on track now with a fast.

see that's true, easy to get back on track. i am going to fast today and am planning to take ds to softplay in a bit for distraction and time use. i can take a book and drink black coffee and pass a few hours whilst he runs himself ragged (as if, the boy never tires). it's also a decent walk there and back so a bit of exercise too.

we shall not be beaten by weird scales upswings.

welcome dippy. seems to vary for people - some lose a lot in early weeks, some take a while to get going etc. i don't think the weight loss is slow overall personally but it is up and down and some weeks stalling to be followed by a sudden drop. definitely a long term woe rather than short term diet.

actually what i would really like to do today is not eat at all and do a full fast. still a bit scared of that though. anyone fancy doing it with me and holding hands?

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Apr-13 10:47:50

swallowedafly if I didn't already have tonight's 500 cal dinner with DH planned and bought then I would!
Perhaps next week?

Treacleq Thu 11-Apr-13 11:06:51

Thanks plecofjusticel'd love to get down to 12st!

Re the Health Benefits - I too have severe IBS (D) and it has been basically non-existent since I started fasting! My psoriasis has got quite bad but I have no idea if the two are related... I do feel full of energy on fast days as well which is always a bonus smile

I too am in the very heavy category at 15 st currently - keep it up - we will get there!

greenfig Thu 11-Apr-13 11:08:23

I wonder if it's some delayed Easter reaction that we are experiencing hmm
Thanks ELR for the glass trick. I know when I can't drink, that's the silly thing! It seems to be wine related & friends are having similar issues. I'm fine if I really want a drink & if I stop when I don't really want any more. This can be at 1 glass, sometimes 3. I just get ill if I don't listen to my body (or drink spirits wink ) Was just nice to stay up, drink wine & chat with DH. Not so nice this morning though!!
Hope it's not the salted caramel episode ELR
saf I am around today working from home to hand hold but don't think I'm man enough to join you! Good luck!!
I am still feeling strong & positive & keen to get on.

Northstarmum Thu 11-Apr-13 11:17:12

Hello everyone, and especially to fellow Thursday fasters. Hard here today, had a busy week, no opportunity to exercise and fasting on different days to usual. I'm on a plateau since before easter (although the good news is that I managed not to put any on) but still Easter Eggs round the house to eat. Having a dry April (apart from some birthday celebrations) and May to try and shift another few lbs before our holiday. I'm hoping that all the inside stuff is doing me good as I'm in it as much for the health benefits as the weight loss. Since Jan I have lost about a stone and until I get my new holiday wardrobe I don't think anyone is going to notice- looking forward to the shock when I can invest in some new figure flattering goodies.

BetsyVanBell Thu 11-Apr-13 11:27:22

Saf - I don't think I can, I'm stuck at home with little activity planned and my tummy's already rumbling. I ate quite late last night too so I'm trying to hold out till 4pm which sounds painful enough to me at this point. Good luck though.

YoniFoolsAndHorses Thu 11-Apr-13 11:33:07

Hello smile <waves madly round>

I have been doing IF. I thought I'd try 5:2 but have actually ended up doing every other day. So I fasted last Thurs, Sat, Monday, but then I couldn't do yesterday so and fasting today instead. I guess that's a 4:3 for this week. Think I have lost 2lbs but feel there is a horrendously long way to go. I guess it's been a good kick start though.

Hardest thing is not having a glass bottle of wine on fast days when the children have been driving me up the wall in the holidays.

BetsyVanBell Thu 11-Apr-13 11:44:52

Hello Yoni - well done on a fantastic first week! School holidays can be tricky - I'm certainly blaming them for over-consumption of wine and chocolate on non fast days this week...

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Apr-13 11:49:57

Yes, I've found the home baking and constantly grazing children a bit of a killer this week too!
Can't wait for the little cherubs to go back to school grin

oh school! it's like mecca. even though i know it means i'll be back at work i still can't wait grin

well done yoni! great start.

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Apr-13 12:15:44

(just waiting for more Yoni related names to pop up on this thread after the great Yoni thread of yesterday!)

YoniFoolsAndHorses Thu 11-Apr-13 12:23:13

Aw, thank you for the welcome. Am reading back as fast as I can.

Luckily all the baking the little one wanted to do today was some awful packet mix Peppa Pig cupcakes. To resist those haven't taken much effort this morning. Strangely, even though the dog stole one that dropped on the floor, even she didn't eat it grin.

I haven't bought a book as I learnt from the previous unread dukan and dukan diet books have found a lot of things online to read that have been very useful. What I haven't found though is any evidence that 4:3 or 3:4 works any better than 5:2 in the long run. In which case, I shall give my body a break this weekend and stick to Mondays and Thursdays.... But I keep going back and searching as I want it to make a real difference soon as well as sustainable long term (I would love to get to one day a week fast long term). Am I being silly? Not sure.

Soft play sounds a good plan for today...

plecofjustice Thu 11-Apr-13 12:52:07

Another joining the 2lb up club this morning blush

Still, I hadn't weighed since before Easter, and did 2x6:1 over the Easter weekend (and drank and ate an inordinate amount of bread and wheat stuff) so I don't think that's too bad really

(and it's TOTM)

The excuses keep coming lol!

saf if you can wait til tomorrow to do a no-holds-barred-zero-food fast I'll join you!

I've been hovering between 10st11 and 10st12 ever since I got back from China over a month ago, which was doubly sad given that the Chinese scales told fibs and led me to believe I was 10st8 angry. Had glimpsed a low during the week of 10st10.4 but it went back up to 10st11.4 for my official weigh day weigh in. [sigh]

So I was really pleased when yesterday morning (admittedly after a fast day: official weigh in is after two non-fast days in a row) I glimpsed 10st9.6, an all time low (since starting this WoE anyway). I went for a run before breakfast so jumped back on the scales to see 10st9.2 which made me grin but I didn't take it seriously as I'm always my lightest after a run. This morning though, after a non-fast day (which included a disproportionate amount of chocolate) the scales said 10st9.2 again. hmm grin I'm sure it'll bounce back up again but I'm hoping this is a sign that the weight is on the way down again.

Saf, your first 10 stone something post made me smile. smile

BsshBossh Thu 11-Apr-13 14:22:07

saf isn't it also your TOM week. That might account for the gain, in addition to the salt/water retention from the Chinese. Fast today but don't weigh today - wait until first thing tomorrow morning.

I am confused at all the 2lbs up. Doesn't bode well for my own weigh in tomorrow shock.

Oh well, on a fast day and feeling really good and positive. Will try not to think about tomorrow's weigh in!

Toofattooold Thu 11-Apr-13 14:27:00

Thanks Greenfig - hoping to be able to change the first part of my name in a few months. Think I'm definitely stuck with the too old part though!

wohmum Thu 11-Apr-13 14:31:22

postmanpat the fitbit works on changes in altitude whilst stepping, so you may well have gone up 17 floors, even if not actual flights of stairs.

I've had once since Jan and I love it- have lost around 20lb thru a combination of 5:2 and increased activity due to fitty. I have set my target steps to 11,000 per day and aim to make it every day- even if that has me pacing the living room during ad breaks on tv!

We've got a small group on the fitbit community forum if you want to find us.

jubbablub Thu 11-Apr-13 14:34:42

First fast day is today! I can't believe how easy I am finding it. Have gone for the recipes in the book that involve no cooking as my OH isn't doing it so want something dead easy!

Whoever mentioned the hairy bikers book thank you, it's cheapo on the kindle at the moment and lots of good sub-300 options!

Does anyone else exercise when fasting, tempted to try this but want to make sure that I won't faint first.

BetsyVanBell Thu 11-Apr-13 14:50:20

Lols, just been sent ths hilarious recipe link - really is anyone going to fanny about making Lavender ice cream with a parsnip tuile baskets when they're trying to stay out of the tempting kitchen?! Or a massive cake!

I'll save the dinner party food for when I'm not fasting thanks...

BetsyVanBell Thu 11-Apr-13 14:53:15

jubblablub I prefer to exercise on my fast days - staves off hunger, makes me feel super-virtuous and is more effective at fat burning than exercise when recently fed.

Today, however, I've been mostly lazing around on the sofa... gotta mix it up right? wink

Well done on your first fast - the fear of it is far worse than the reality!

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Apr-13 14:57:53

jubbalub I too tend to prefer exercising on fast days. Mainly because I go to an exercise class at 9.30 after dropping kids off. By the time I exercise, cool down and shower afterwards that's a good 2-3 hrs of fasting time when I've been occupied and not thinking about food!
Occasionally I do a teatime class on a fast day which again, gets me through that last hr or two before eating.
Don't find it makes any difference to energy levels and I do quite a high intensity class.

BsshBossh Thu 11-Apr-13 15:06:15

I'm another one who exercises in a fasted state with no problems. If I do two fast days in a row then I find it difficult but if I exercise following a non-fast day then I'm fine. I think exercising in a fasted state uses up glycogen stores more quickly so you can start burning fat stores more quickly.

ElizaCBennett Thu 11-Apr-13 15:56:25

I too am up 2lb this morning after two good fast days this week, so frustrating! Hoping this is just a bounce, no reason why it shouldn't be really, but me and my fat have been together so long it probably doesn't want to leave me.

Maybe a Yoni Massage would help!!!

Missenglish Thu 11-Apr-13 16:10:28

Hi All!

I lost three stone since august last year and I feel amazing! Lots of my friends and family have asked how I have done it so I have put together a blog ( http://formerfatgirlsdiary.blogspot.co.uk/ )

Anyway, my focus is on normal and achievable tips and tricks to help people lost weight and to inspire and motivate them. Do you have any ideas I could share on my blog?

Thanks,

FormerFatGirl

Fast day today, or at least it was supposed to be until the Nutella Prison Break Incident. blush

I was doing really well until the nutella jar fell out of the cupboard, which I think was a diversion to allow two pieces of bread to make their escape from the freezer and hide in the toaster until the coast was clear. Just as the bread was coming out of the toaster to make a dash for its next hiding place (not a very good one: a plate) the nutella jar took off its cap, grabbed a knife, stabbed itself and then smeared itself all over the toast. This seemed to enrage the toast because then it just flew at me repeatedly. I’m not a violent person but I had to defend myself didn’t I? Well what could I do? I wasn’t armed. So, I had to just keep biting my attacker, until it finally stopped. blush

BetsyVanBell Thu 11-Apr-13 16:42:46

It's a tragic tale ezzza grin

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Apr-13 17:15:55

Oh Ezzza, how traumatic. I hope you are not too scarred by this incident and that the offending Nutella is now back under lock and key smile

frenchfancy Thu 11-Apr-13 17:18:13

ezzza grin

hate it when that happens ezzza!

so far just water and coffee. softplay was a good distraction not least my shock at them having the gall to ask me for £2.35 for a cup of instant nescafe - their coffee machine is broken and they were charging the same prices for instant shock i couldn't contain my disbelief and got mine discounted marginally.

not sure how i'm feeling about the zero food idea. i'm ok for now i think but we shall see. might weigh myself again for motivation but i am now convinced there is some kind of weird lunar event going on effecting gravity and making all of our scales LIE outrageously.

bvb - good mixing it up strategy. sofa days are essential for keeping the body guessing i'm told.

Laska42 Thu 11-Apr-13 17:44:17

Ezzza thats so funny, you should write sketches..

BetsyVanBell Thu 11-Apr-13 17:46:41

Was it someone on here eulogising about raw broccoli with humus? I was sceptical but just found myself chopping broc whilst eyeing up the tahini-chickpea goodness. Fast now broken and a much depleted humus tub better than nutella toast anyway

Other than that I've got a Sainsbo's Arrabiata meal soup and some mange tout coming up, while the hordes will be eating toad in the hole.

I've really barely moved today so chances of that 2lbs magically disappearing again are going to be slight. Might have to be a 4:3 week.

BsshBossh Thu 11-Apr-13 17:56:18

I'm truly amazed at all the 2lb gains on the same day! I think I might not weigh tomorrow blush. But if I do and it's 2lb+ then at least a) I'll be in great company and b) it won't be my fault - it'll be something in the air.

Ezzza that made me laugh so hard! Thanks for helping me lose a few more calories grin

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Apr-13 17:58:36

Just be warned bvb, hummus is alarmingly high in cals!
Just had a couple of spoonfuls of the kids baked beans with grated cheese on top. Not the ideal way to break a fast but damn, it tasted good!
Moroccan stuffed peppers with salad for tea tonight, scrummy. Frankly I' so hungry today (which is weird after last night's binging) that cardboard would taste good. Working till eight so just 2hrs to go....

greenfig Thu 11-Apr-13 18:14:53

ezza everyone knows that jail break cals don't count. So long as you didn't plan & prep the food yourself, you're fine wink

kiwidreamer Thu 11-Apr-13 18:16:31

Has anyone successfully managed to stop eating off the kids plates / their left overs?? I'm soooooooooo bad at this and snagging a few mouthfuls off DD's plate has probably cost me so many calories just now that I can afford a salad with no meat / dressing / cheese for my dinner. Oh the lure of curly fries... other lesson is to NOT take the cherubs to the supermarket during the holidays... curly fries for goodness sake.

I'm feeling this week maybe a bit of a bust, I really feel bigger than last week, I'm trying to accommodate a friend who is doing this and my DH and they both want to fast on different days to each other and the school hols and its all feel a bit disorganised unlike my first week and I have a thumping headache today. Baaaah.

I can probably manage the rest of the night without food so I don't think the fast will be ruined, I'm certainly not feeling hungry now I've had my scoff. I had ham off the bone and a bunch of asparagus at 2pm which was about 180cals, and have picked at more of the ham and some curly fries from their plates.

If I don't go down in the scales this week then I'm going to have to start using MFP on non fast days which is fucking annoying and one of the main reasons I wanted to try this method as I hate calorie counting day in day out.

I need a paracetemol and to get over myself!

BetsyVanBell Thu 11-Apr-13 18:16:38

All counted in dotty! Ta for the warning though smile

muriwai Thu 11-Apr-13 18:27:55

Ezzza your tale of the Nutella's audacious escape has drawn me out of the lurkers' closet! I laughed so hard I had tears rolling down my face and DH thought that school holiday stress had finally driven me around the bend - thank you. grin

I have been following this WOE since the end of Jan and lurking since a bit after that. I've lost about 9lb since then which is a bit slow for my liking, but thanks to all the inspirational stories here I have stuck with it and can see myself continuing indefinitely.

BetsyVanBell Thu 11-Apr-13 18:29:12

kiwi The faff of adding in the calories from the pinched bits off the kids' plates might be incentive enough to stop. Try having a cup of tea while the kids eat then chucking their plates straight in the sink and running the tap. Soggy food is not tasty! I used to be a leftovers scoffer but have managed to get out of the habit smile

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Apr-13 18:32:47

I try to prepare our tea whilst the kids sit and eat theirs. My flaw is slightly overestimating what they actually need so there is always "spare". Trying very hard to crack that habit!

monster54 Thu 11-Apr-13 19:05:19

So after all my moaning yesterday...I've had nothing all day and having a spur of the moment extra fast!!

How does that work? I was so miserable yesterday and so close to giving up. I wasn't at all hungry when I woke up and just powered on through the rest of the day!!!! Having a nice healthy dins around 600cals!

Yay me!

Dotty342kids Thu 11-Apr-13 19:20:08

WEll done monster!

monster54 Thu 11-Apr-13 19:46:14

Thanks dotty although sneaky weigh in I think I might be in the 2lb brigade!! Arrrrhhhhh!!!

Toofattooold Thu 11-Apr-13 20:20:45

Ha ha! Dotty your post about conveniently cooking too much for the children and then having to eat the leftovers is exactly what I do! It's a habit I desperately need to kick!

BsshBossh Thu 11-Apr-13 20:27:05

kiwi I don't scoff off DD's plate on fast days - it simply goes straight into the food composting caddy and then to the council grin. But I love nibbling on her leftovers on non-fast days - she eats at 5pm so I count her leftovers as my snack (that is, I account for it as part of my TDEE). So far it's been fine in terms of weight loss

BsshBossh Thu 11-Apr-13 20:30:12

Yey monster you're becoming a fasting pro!

akarucker Thu 11-Apr-13 20:42:02

Yay, I made it to 20 hours today! Love achieving these mini goals. Really hope the Friday morning scales are kind to me in the morning. Sitting here planning my massive breakfast - in reality I won't fancy it, but I like to fantasize about the food I'm allowed the day after a fast. Sometimes I talk about it so much, my dh gets so excited at the prospect of (say) a massive fry up in the morning, and then gets all upset that I've got him excited over nothing, because I wake up and fancy grape nuts instead! Haha, don't blame me...I'm the one who had soup for dinner, whilst the family tucked into giant bowls of pasta!!

bloody hell - today ended up not being a fast after it all went disastrously wrong very late on. i made it to nearly 7pm on no food and still managed to mess it up.

ellenbrody Thu 11-Apr-13 20:56:32

b&w thanks for the blog link, interesting reading.

Managed 16 hours today, then a sort of mini fast of normal lunch & dinner etc 1200 cals.
I thought I'd try this and one proper 500 fast, and see how that goes for maintaining.

BsshBossh Thu 11-Apr-13 21:14:12

23 hours and about to break my fast. Yeehhaaaaar!

PoshVoice Thu 11-Apr-13 21:42:17

Enjoy bsshbossh!

I always find the meal you break your fast with always seems to taste amazing!

Second and last day of the week for me, again I didn't really notice it (can't remember the last time I felt hungry nowadays).

Really tempted to try a proper fast, not a less than 500 day after reading this thread.

Roll on tomorrow midday for a beer and a pork and stuffing burger!

sweetkitty Thu 11-Apr-13 21:51:18

Hello fellow fasters well I wasn't fasting today, WiiFit weight maintained today, I had a good look through my weights as well, the heaviest I was on there was about this time last year 9st 5lbs, am 8st 7 just now. My heaviest weight ever was just before I got pregnant with DD1 10st 2lbs size 12-14. It looked awful on me, very small boned tiny arms and legs.

I can't keep up with this thread but loving all the fantastic weight loss stories.

Paintingrainbowskies Thu 11-Apr-13 22:22:25

kiwi I either have a cup of stock as a drink while my little one eats or I chew sugar free gum! You don't want to put food in your mouth while you chew!

End of another successful fast, did 23 hours with just liquids then broke my fast with a delish dahl with roasted cod and a drizzle of yoghurt sauce - blooming lovely!

Just baked a loaf of whole meal bread and haven't touched any - willpower! grin

I'm giving blood in the morning so I will definitely have some bread for breakfast and I'm looking forward to it.

WhitingLikeTheFish Thu 11-Apr-13 22:39:18

Looking forward to fasting tomorrow. After Tuesday - fast no. 9 I finally lost a much needed lb. I've been waiting for that since week 2. So that makes 8lbs in 5 weeks. Slow but I can live with that.
I also like exercising on fast days. Don't feel any negative effects - just a little empty.
Will check on tomorrow for some words of wisdom - so glad I found you all. Thanks smile

plecofjustice Thu 11-Apr-13 23:27:51

Well, I might have had a 2lb gain, but just been trying on some of my tormentor clothes, you know, the ones you never quite fit into, don't know why you bought and keep just to punish yourself when you can't get into them...

And they all fit! Ok, so I wouldn't necessarily go out in some of them, but the zips do up and I don't look like a complete heifer, so I must be on the right track somewhere!

ELR Thu 11-Apr-13 23:43:26

Woohoo plec it's great when that happens I have a few things hanging around in my wardrobe for just that reason!
Just come back from the cinema. I took dd to see the host she had popcorn a slushie and a twirl and I'm pleased to say i didnt knick any of her food. I had a fizzy water and two of those mikado sticks 11 calories each!
Just had a lovely cup of tea and now off to bed. Fingers crossed and hoping for a loss in the morning.

Prawntoast Thu 11-Apr-13 23:52:43

plec it's a good feeling. I bought some jeans from the Gap a few weeks ago, they would only go half way up my thighs when I first tried them on, I can do the zip up now, I can't bend over in them mind you, but one day I will be able to!

Itsaboatjack Fri 12-Apr-13 01:51:45

saf, try not to sweat it. Next week you will be back in normal routine so it will all be much easier again.

I love those feelings when clothes fit again. I had a pair of skinny jeans from Gap that I bought in the sale January last year that I have never fit into. Last weekend I was looking through my wardrobe for something to wear for a night out and came across them. I eyed them up and thought they were still a way off fitting but thought I'd just try them on to see how far away they were and they fit - comfortably! I ended up wearing them out. It's like going on a shopping trip with all the new old clothes I am rediscovering and now fitting into.

It was an eating day for me today and I came close to having a bit of a binge in the evening but was able, with the help of reading these threads, to not give into it. Mini victory for me as evenings is my really weak time normally.

So it would normally be a fast day for me tomorrow but I am doing a half marathon on Sunday so I was thinking it might not be a good idea. I was thinking maybe I'll do a mini fast until dinner and then have a proper dinner with carbs and then carb load a bit more on Saturday. If anyone has any thoughts on that I'd be grateful to hear them.

peplum41 Fri 12-Apr-13 05:20:22

Hi fellow 5:2ers, just reporting in from a night shift, fast commenced at 12:30 am. Ok so far. Excuse waffling, have only rubbish tv and a dripping tap for company!

ezza chuckled to self when read about your nutella savaging. Have you checked its cal content? Viscous beast.

kiwi couldn't handle other clashing fasters, how draining.

itsaboatjack although not a runner, I do walk at least 1.5 hours a day plus very hilly here. I've noticed that on a fast day and the day after before I've eaten its all I can do to plod. Whereas after a couple of feed days, I can really charge along. Aiming to start running when I hit the low elevens, currently low 12s, in the mean time working on toning core and legs. Hope you enjoy your half marathon.
As for all this 2lbs business, I've switched my scales over to kg , they can bounce all they like, its meaningless to me. I feel a bit fatter though in kilos.

frenchfancy Fri 12-Apr-13 06:34:12

I've done it!grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

I've hit target grin grin grin grin grin grin

After several weeks of hovering just above 68kg this morning I am 67.0kg (10st7). I've lost 13kg overall (2 stones) and I feel (and look) great.

DH has also hit target so lots of grin grin grin grin round here.

akarucker Fri 12-Apr-13 06:49:05

Frenchfancy I'm happy to be the first to congratulate you!! WELL DONE!

Toofattooold Fri 12-Apr-13 07:12:09

Well done frenchfancy! That's amazing! You must be do pleased. A brilliant achievement. How long has it taken you? I need I inspiration!

ellenbrody Fri 12-Apr-13 07:31:03

frenchfancy - that's marvellous news!

Hooray for frenchfancy !!

monster54 Fri 12-Apr-13 07:35:34

Just a little 0.5lb for me....which is a little disappointing with my extra sneaky in....but hey this is also my time of cycle to be sticking....

In NSV...saw some friends last night I hadn't seen in a couple of months and all commented on how much weight I'd lost!!!

monster54 Fri 12-Apr-13 07:38:48

Hoooray french that's amazing! I'm aiming for that illusive 10!!! I don't know what I'll do if I ever get to see it!!

Prawntoast Fri 12-Apr-13 07:46:20

well done french! I am aiming to get into the 9's, though at the rate I'm losing it might be about September before I see that! Lost 200gs, this week, still keep telling myself that's nearly half a pound in old money. I think I may try and cut down on the wine a bit, I will give the "drink the wine out of a champagne flute" a go and see if that cuts down consumption, or maybe I'll just drink champagne grin.

Life has kept me too busy to keep up with this.

Well done to all the losers

I've been weighed this morning and have bizarrely put on 7lb. I'm feeling really disheartened. I mean 7lb? hmm Today is a fast day so I guess that's the motivation I need to make sure I stick to it. Last week I was ill and didn't fast but I did an amazing 26 hour fast.

I think I now need to be much stricter on feast days.

Still feel hmm though

BetsyVanBell Fri 12-Apr-13 08:10:08

Whoop FF! flowers Fabulous news smile

Well fast day ended not excellently yesterday - there may have been a helping or two of nuts and raisins to take me well over the 500 cals (not sure if I've ever actually managed to stick to 500 though) but really not moving all day doesn't leave me much leeway for feed days! 1 of my 2 extra lbs has gone now at least, but it'll most likely go back on today, and possibly more over the weekend.

Maybe I just shouldn't worry about it and wait till we're all back in our normal routine. Given that I was expecting to be several pounds up post-holiday I'm in a better place than I should be.

Rambling post!

BsshBossh Fri 12-Apr-13 08:10:26

Morning! Official weigh in today and have stayed the same for the 3rd week running. I think my body wants to get used to this weight for a while. So as I'm only a few lbs away from goal I'm just going to let myself get used to being this new shape and size; try and enjoy it whilst still continuing to fast twice a week etc.

Going to start weight training today to mix in with my usual cardio. Looking forward to that.

frenchfancy that's fantastic news!

morning - congratulations french smile

feeling a little disheartened here too. 11.1.8 again today. no i didn't end up fasting yesterday but it was my third fast anyway and i didn't eat till 7pm and then ate no more than tdee.

so yesterdays seemingly random 4.4lbs up is still there. ho hum.

thanks for reassurance itsaboat. can only hope back to work helps.

BetsyVanBell Fri 12-Apr-13 08:22:48

storm Maybe try for some non scale victories - is there anything lurking in your wardrobe that you optimistically purchased with a smaller body in mind that you could try on? The scales can definitely be misleading as they don't care about water retention etc.

Being ill certainly won't have helped. Are you feeling better now? Are you able to go out for a long walk or other low impact exercise today? I know that not getting my usual levels of exercise are disastrous for me in terms of weight loss, and it makes me feel lethargic too.

Good luck with your fast today smile

ELR Fri 12-Apr-13 08:25:18

frenchfancy yippeeee! Well done bet you are pleased.

Well after my fast and a gain of 2lbs yesterday, I am back down to what I was last Friday. So this week I have only maintained and the previous week I only lost 1/4 of a pound. Like you bssh my body must be getting used to this new weight.
So in 16 fasts 8 weeks I have lost 8lbs, exactly the normal average!
I can't really complain as in between fasts whilst not over eating a great deal I have not really been watching what I eat and have had plenty of meals outs, treats, G&T's and wine! Also not really been exercising either.

Thank you betsy. I'm not completely better but I'm well enough to feel ready to fast. To be honest I'm a bit bloated so daren't try even my normal jeans! That could be a reason for the gain. Lots of water today and I think I will go for alot of veggies for tea to 'get things moving' iyswim?

Thank you for the encouragement

frenchfancy Fri 12-Apr-13 08:37:59

Thanks everyone. I started 5:2 in September, so it hasn't been the quickest loss ever, but I haven't been deprived, I put on weight over xmas, but getting it off again was easy. The last few lbs have taken a while, but I am confident that I can keep it off now forever. There is no sense of - I've finished my diet so now I can eat. (but I might have some peanuts with my Friday night beer grin).

Bramblesinafield Fri 12-Apr-13 09:10:25

Congratulations ff, inspiring!

Last couple of days of holiday here then away on business - waistbands don't feel too bad but really must avoid the scales on return!

Dotty342kids Fri 12-Apr-13 09:48:59

frenchfancy that really is brilliant though. I bet you look so different to six months ago! And also really good to hear that there's no sense of "phew, it's over, back to eating normally". I am nowhere near target yet but feel like this is a completely long term way of eating.
swallowedafly, don't be disheartened, it's just a "bounce" and you'll be seeing the 10's again soon I'm sure.
Today, after fasting yesterday, I was back hovering between 11st and 11st 1 so I'm not in the 10's yet either.
But I do feel (and my husband tells me that i feel it to him too!) much smaller round the tummy area. I'm an apple shape so always have a big tum but it is much flatter. I'm even in leggings and a tunic top today which is unheard of for me!
Might chuck in another fast tomorrow as seven days till the big 40!

well done french what an amazing achievement.
Well after my little Easter blip of doing 6:1 ( put on 2lbs) it was back to work and normal 5:2 for me this week. Have had a good week and was very happy to see the scales at10 st 7lbs this morning after 2nd fast.- so lost the Easter gain plus a little more.
So for me thats 11 weeks and 9 lbs off in total.im apple shaped and carry my weight on by abdomen,so Ive been measuring my waist and 4.5 inches off my waist so far( it was a thick one to start off with).
have a great weekend all..

marceline Fri 12-Apr-13 10:04:10

I've just started the 5:2 diet last week, I found the research very interesting and would like to adopt it as a long term change. I'm just a little discouraged that I have not lost an ounce at the end of my first week. I'm a healthy BMI and only have about 6 lb to lose. I am not expecting the weight to just fall off but I was hoping for at least a pound. hmm Please tell me it's worth sticking with it.

marceline stick with it. My BMI was 23 something to start with and I aim to lose 17lbs, I've lost 14lbs in 8 weeks. I log all my food and I workout 3-4 times/week.

SaltyandSweet Fri 12-Apr-13 10:24:37

On my third fast of the week, a consecutive one today. I've not weighed myself, waiting for tomorrow in the hopes that I'll finally see a shift in numbers after being stuck at 77.8kgs (12.2 stone) for 2.5weeks. I don't know why I've been stuck for so long! I'm 5'9 and started this WOE at 84 kgs (13.2 stone) about 8 weeks ago. I lost the stone very fast but then everything seems to have come to a screeching halt sad Hope it starts up again though I'm trying to concentrate on the health benefits in the meantime!

sausages51 Fri 12-Apr-13 11:21:44

Kiwi the end of your post made me laugh out loud about the paracetamol and getting over yourself. Priceless. :-)

bugsyburge Fri 12-Apr-13 11:54:25

fast day here today....aiming to get to 7pm before I eat.... just need to get through work & a spin class now!! I'm hoping this mystery 2lbs doesn't make its way onto my scales tonight!!!!

aroomofherown Fri 12-Apr-13 13:05:50

Fast day here today - have been out to dinner/drinks the last two days and been clocking everything up on MFP: ouch! I have averaged 2500 each the last two days blush

Haven't weighed myself but I might drag myself off to the gym for Session 4 this week. Am up to running 3km now (haven't run since London marathon in 2011 due to injury so this is a pleasing development). I went shopping this morning for an outfit for an interview next week because none of my 'posh' clothes fit me anymore and I'm size 18! Gah, what has happened to me?

Congrats ff that's really inspiring, and postmanpatscat I'd be dead chuffed to have lost 14lbs in 8 weeks, congrats!

Mrsrobertduvall Fri 12-Apr-13 15:41:50

I am beginning next week...have just bought the book, booked a holiday for August and want to lose the 10 lbs which have crept on round the middle.
Oh the joy of menopause. Also joining local gym having given up one further away at Christmas. Although I'm doing Jillian Michael 3-4 times a week, I need more cardio.
Dh is joining in too.

ELR Fri 12-Apr-13 16:40:02

Good luck & welcome mrsd
10lbs by August is achievable you may find that your DH does better than you! For some reason our DH that have done it alongside us have lost more.

mamamoomin2 Fri 12-Apr-13 16:42:54

Well done ff! Awesome stuff smile

On my third fast this week and they've all gone well.....target here I come! One day.... smile

greenfig Fri 12-Apr-13 17:48:15

Waves banner well done FF !!
Just what we all need to keep up the motivation smile
akaruka I'm just like you busily planning the next days meals!
Post fast day today & been madly busy. Only had 300 cals max all day & not at all hungry but fish pie to look forward to later & hopefully a glass of something hangover free... fingers xed!

Mrsrobertduvall Fri 12-Apr-13 19:50:35

Wellmdh has more to lose....grin

BetsyVanBell Fri 12-Apr-13 20:09:56

I didn't, and am still not, making brownies today. I consider this an achievement of sorts. I have had half a bottle of wine though grin

BetsyVanBell Fri 12-Apr-13 20:10:54

...and there's still time to eat the chocolate of course...

Cuddledup Fri 12-Apr-13 20:27:02

Quick question.... is the 5:2 for me? I'm a normal weight for my height but I have a big bum, fat / cellulite ridden thighs, a sugar addiction, and poor skin plus I'm perimenopausal. Would the 5:2 be suitable for someone who is already a healthy weight but just wants a more even distribution of their weight? (I don't want to buy the book and then read that it's not suitable)

Southeastdweller Fri 12-Apr-13 20:36:45

Two pounds off this 4:3 week so that's 12 pounds in total over 11 weeks which I'm delighted about. I've got a stone to go and I've decided to carry on doing 4:3 for a month then reassess. 4:3 has been surprisingly easy and I recommend doing it if you've had a bad week.

Hope everyone enjoys their weekends.

BetsyVanBell Fri 12-Apr-13 20:46:15

cuddleup yes, I am similar and thighs are reducing, skin is improved and sugar addiction is more in control - provisos are that you eat healthier generally though, not just reduce calories 2 days a week and eat junk the rest of the time. If you're prepared to embrace a new way of eating then this is for you. Many of us have found that we now crave less crap and actively seek out more nutritionally dense food since starting IF.

HTH

WhitingLikeTheFish Fri 12-Apr-13 20:51:19

I'm not ready to 4:3 yet but am keeping it as something to try when it gets nearer holiday time - August. If I try it too soon I worry I might find it too tough and wobble. Fast day no 10 today. Always manage well without breakfast and up till lunch then like lots as soon as I eat I feel famished. Manage to get through to tea time but oh it's a long old evening.
If I count from 10pm last night through till 10am tomorrow that's a 48hour period on 500 cals (478) that's not the same as folk who do the overnight fasting is it. Or am I supposed to allow myself something to eat at 10pm of my fast day? confused

BetsyVanBell Fri 12-Apr-13 20:53:35

SED Fab result! I've been doing this about 3 months as well and it really does just get easier smile

ps I didn't eat the chocolate. Going to make myself a crappy orange Options mixed with barley cup instead - 30ish cals and I'm not even on a fast day! I don't normally condone aspartame laced drinks but it helps when I'm fighting (post-holiday/Easter based) sugar cravings - seems to satisfy without prolonging the sugar addiction.

WhitingLikeTheFish Fri 12-Apr-13 20:59:18

Anyone else watching The Masters - good to have something to while away the fasting hours.
8lbs lost after 9 fasts, hoping to drop a little more by tomorrow morning. Nice to know my weight loss is v typical.
DH returns from business trip tomorrow - did 2 fast days then missed a week - then 1 fast and gave up on his 4th attempt. I'm overweight and need to do this, he's obese and has diabetes and high cholesterol in the family. He's gonna take some convincing - anyone else had difficulties in this area?

BetsyVanBell Fri 12-Apr-13 20:59:59

WLF That's a very decent fast - I usually have last meal around 6.30pm then nothing till lunch next day when I split calories between lunch (1pm) and evening meal (6pm), then have a normal breakfast next day. If it's not a work day then I can last till 4 or 5pm (sometimes). Does that help? It's been written up better on the tips and links thread (link in OP)! There's no rules as to when you eat the 500 cals, that's up to you and what suits you best. Lots of people like to eat them as late as possible to eat 1 bigger meal and go to bed with a full stomach.

PoshVoice Fri 12-Apr-13 21:00:46

Weekly weigh in this morning, 67.3 kg so a loss of 0.4, BMI is now 25.5 aft being 28.7 before I started this wol (01/01/13)

Weight loss does seem to be slowing so hopefully I'll below 25 by the end of may.

Target of 23.5 before the stone roses gig in Glasgow in mid June is still on!!

Meeting my sister on Tuesday so will move my fast days to Monday and Wednesday this week, love the way this 5:2 thing is so flexible!!

Good luck to all today's fasters.

PoshVoice Fri 12-Apr-13 21:03:21

Damn meant 76.3 not 67.3.. All other stats are ok though

(Memo to self : Use Preview god dammit!)

Southeastdweller Fri 12-Apr-13 21:06:44

Thanks betsy.

It was greeneggs and then me who were raving about raw broccoli and houmous. I was hmm at first but really enjoy it, with a sprinkling of dried chilli seeds. Another bonus is that it takes me relatively ages to eat.

BetsyVanBell Fri 12-Apr-13 21:11:40

SED When I ate the raw broc and houmous and combo I'd been fasting for 20 or so hours so it was like nectar of the gods! Thanks for the tip grin

Great results so far PV!

Cuddledup Fri 12-Apr-13 21:21:53

Betsy thanks v much for your advice. I'll consider about giving the 5:2 a go.

WhitingLikeTheFish Fri 12-Apr-13 21:24:38

BVB thanks you're doing even longer than me. I like that last cuppa before bed the night before a fast and occasionally a yog or fruit as long as I the cals are within the MFP daily goal.

sweetkitty Fri 12-Apr-13 22:01:00

Marceline - I'm healthy BMI and wanted to lose 5lbs, I've lost 4lbs so far in 3 weeks and I've not stuck to 500 cals on fast days.

I had a mini fast today, no breakfast, 19 hours fast, sandwich for lunch then big dinner.

ELR Fri 12-Apr-13 22:02:16

betsy try raw cauliflower with houmous nic that is food of the gods!

ELR Fri 12-Apr-13 22:02:37

Supposed to say now not nic!

Breadandwine Sat 13-Apr-13 00:40:39

Hi folks

Just wanted to tell you all that my daughter has today had her 20 week scan - and the baby is absolutely fine. So now we can relax and start planning for the birth! smile smile

Cuddledup since this is a Way of Life (WOL) and not a diet, it is for everyone. There are many health benefits to be gained by fasting, unconnected (as far as we know) to our weight.

As for 'normal weight' no-one really knows what that is. When I began, I thought, at 10.10 give or take, I had 2 or 3 pounds to lose. 6 months later I was at 9.2 - so I lost a stone and a half, without even trying. Now I'm maintaining that weight and I feel as good as I have ever done in my life!

So I'd join Betsy in saying, give it a go!

marceline Sat 13-Apr-13 01:41:54

Thanks sweetkitty, that sounds really good. I'm going to stick with it for a few weeks and see what happens.

Good morning fellow IF'ers

After the really weird 7lb gain this week I was determined to have a brilliant fast day, I managed 24 hours then had only my 500 cals.

It's not the fasts I'm struggling with though its keeping to my TDDE, for example today I will have a takeaway as we have friends coming, so a non creamy curry and 3 chappati takes me to around 1200 calories. I'm on
A 12 hour shift at work and have two small granary rolls with cheese and carrot so I estimate that as 500 cals which doesn't seem like a lot of food and I've not got many calories left, certainly not enough for a decent breakfast. hmm

monster54 Sat 13-Apr-13 07:26:42

bvb what do you know about aspartame?!?

I've recently gone cold turkey after a very heavily laden diet...

Headaches, nausea, digestion problems...urrrrgggghhhh! I can't connect this to anything other than 5:2 or aspartame??

Anyone any help/experience??

BsshBossh Sat 13-Apr-13 07:57:35

Breadandwine that's wonderful news smile

Minimammoth Sat 13-Apr-13 08:23:10

Fast sort of failed yesterday after holding goo all day ended up with pub fish n chips. So scales up 2lbs this morning

Minimammoth Sat 13-Apr-13 08:23:47

I was not holding goo.grin That's good

SaltyandSweet Sat 13-Apr-13 08:30:04

Morning everyone. Scales down to 76kg this morning after 2.5 weeks at 77.8kg - but that's after fasting Tuesday, Thurs and Fri this past week. So trying not to get my hopes up as I'm sure it'll bounce up on Monday (official weigh in day) after an eating weekend. Though I am determined to be careful what I eat! <famous last words>

Dawndonna Sat 13-Apr-13 08:58:05

I changed my days this week and fasted on Monday and Friday, as I had a meeting in a nice cafe on Thursday. I managed to lose 4lbs. I'm a happy bunny. Just need to be sensible over the weekend, now.

BetsyVanBell Sat 13-Apr-13 09:16:29

monster It kills your brain cells for one thing, also makes your body eat more to try and get hold of the energy it thinks it's getting from the sweetness. Bread&Wine put a link to a video on the tips & links thread - here disclaimer - I haven't actually watched it as I already know enough of the horrors and don't drink 'diet' drinks generally! But feedback suggests it's worth a watch if you're trying to kick an addiction. I suspect your symptoms could well be aspartame related although many people report similar issues when starting out on this WOE and they always settle down after a bit.

ELR I'll put raw cauli & humus on the menu!

B&W congratulations - such a relief when that scan is done and you start feeling the baby moving all the time and it all feels a lot more real smile

was a bit hmpf about my maintained gain yesterday so decided i would leave it now till monday. i don't want to get into the resentful stage. anyway today it's down from 11.1.8 to 11.1 bang on for no reason i can ascertain. the tens are looking a long way off again but have to hope if i keep going and next week is more active and back in routine again i should get there.

i don't drink diet drinks - i actively believe aspartame is bad for you not least because they taste like antifreeze to me and give me stomach pain.

oh and i had a skipping rope arrive in the post today - going to see if i can incorporate a bit of that into my day.

monster54 Sat 13-Apr-13 09:54:39

Thanks bvb...I'm going in to week 8 of this WOL and only just getting tummy trouble so I'm inclined to think it was the aspartame withdrawal.

I had in sweetner in my tea as opposed to diet drink. Maybe 20/30 sweetners a day to cold turkey!!

I will try and find the video. Thank you!!

ellenbrody Sat 13-Apr-13 10:04:48

I'm pleased to report that I think 6:1, with a couple of 16:8's thrown in is good for maintenance.
Steady at 8 stone smile.
I've been 'gluten loading' before my biopsy, which is not making me feel well, however, a positive effect is: if I see another millionaires shortbread again I will scream! (Previously my fave food!!)

Good luck to today's fasters, enjoy your weekend.

Breadandwine Sat 13-Apr-13 11:02:36

Thanks, folks, it's certainly a good feeling. One of my former students introduced her baby to bread dough at 4.5 months!

So I reckon, in about 9 months, I'll be doing the same! grin

I've just started a new thread, here for anyone who is maintaining their weight. It's the natural progression for everyone on here - so, as soon as you're at or near your goal weight, come and join us.

We absolutely thrive on new members! grin

kiwidreamer Sat 13-Apr-13 13:04:06

Second week done, three fasts tho maybe 50/80 cals above 500 on one of the fasts... have maintained the same weight as last week. Bah.

Ah well its not the end of the world but its a bit miserable barely eating for three whole days and not losing any weight but carry on I shall. At least next week with kids back at school I'll be exercising a lot more, this week was just once so not great but that's why I threw in an extra fast!!!!

Funny thing is I felt so bad on my non fast days when I ate any bread or heavy food I actually turned down a Fast Food lunch today and will have cheese and crackers, still a treat of sorts but nothing like 'old macdonalds' as its known in our house wink

Quick hello...no particular news here, though I might manage a not at all subtle brag about my first week with Fitbit - should be about 65km covered this week by the end of today and about 85,000 steps in total grin

Back at work on Monday though so don't know what impact that will have.

Have a good weekend, everyone.

BetsyVanBell Sat 13-Apr-13 14:50:59

monster Sorry, posted up a dead link. The film is called Hungry For Change and the bit discussing aspartame was with Dr Christiane Northrup - there might be the relevant bit on you tube...

Dotty342kids Sat 13-Apr-13 15:55:44

Just wanted to share with you all that this is definitely resulting in tummy shrinkage! I've been stuck, weightwise, for about 4 weeks now, fluctuating between 11st 3 to 11st 0 (and dying to see the elusive "10).
However, what I am definitely seeing is a much less bloated, less solid tummy. As an apple shape, it's all on my tummy but there's definitely less of it grin.
Today, I went out and bought a fab clingy (always avoid clingy fabrics normally) leopard print dress and I feel really good in it!
Love this WOE!!

aroomofherown Sat 13-Apr-13 16:56:02

I had a fail fast day yesterday like minimammoth - held fine all day, then met up with boyf in the evening and ended up eating pizza and drinking red wine. I've only just started using MFP so am getting used to what my TDEE actually looks and feels like - will fast again on Monday and hopefully that will be fine and I'll be back on it.

BsshBossh Sat 13-Apr-13 19:46:18

Dotty me too with the tummy shrinkage. Have maintained 4 lbs from goal for 3 weeks but my tummy has gone down another notch and my thighs are leaner. A friend who hasn't seen me in a month commented on how much slimmer I look but since I last saw her I was only couple of lbs heavier!

I am a big believer that fasting for long periods burns fat and that as the weeks go by our bodies burn fat more efficiently. I lost most of my weight last year pre-fasting WOE but have lost most of my tummy post-fasting WOE (22/23 hr fasts).

muriwai, glad to have lured someone out of lurking! Welcome aboard. smile

peplum41, I didn’t check the kcal count but I know from previous visits to MFP that it will be something horrendous! Never mind, had a good fast on Tuesday and another good one today.

Congratulations frenchfancy and to your DH. I’m really looking forward to hitting target but I think it’ll be a few months yet.

BetsyVanBell Sat 13-Apr-13 20:27:08

BsshBossh *Dotty Agreed. Tummy shrinkage has come via IF and not with general weightloss. And my fasts have generally been 18 hours and not very strict with the 500cals either!

Well after the Nutella woopsy on Thursday I'm coming to the end of a successful fast day now, though I have been torturing myself with this all afternoon. Guess what I'll be making tomorrow! grin

monster54 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:22:40

No worries bvb will try and find it...just interesting to hear other peoples experiences!!

Hmmmmm well done nurse they look amazing!!!

WhitingLikeTheFish Sat 13-Apr-13 21:43:31

10 fasts and 10.25 lbs lost - just like MM says. Even my father in law noticed that I've lost weight! I had stuck for 3 weeks after an initial quick 6lb loss - then this week 1 lb dropped after 1st fast then 3lbs from the 2nd weekly fast. Funnily enough my DD (living with BF) did exactly the same. Guess I just wanted to say stick with it if your weight loss is stuck. It will drop off just might not be when you expect it.

smelmalamp Sat 13-Apr-13 21:51:36

Good evening. I'd like to join your lovely thread!

I started this .WOE on 17th March and have managed to lose 5 lb so far. Think i would be happy to lose a stone in all. I'm under 5 foot so feels like a lot to me. Coming to the end of my 9th fast. Looking forward to a tasty breakfast! [Smile]

smelmalamp Sat 13-Apr-13 21:52:46

Ha smile

smelmalamp Sat 13-Apr-13 21:54:25

Can anyone recommend times to weigh myself. Think i'm doing it too often!

Breadandwine Sun 14-Apr-13 01:32:06

Welcome, smelmalamp - once a week, after your second fast, same time of day. smile

Betsy and monster if you google 'Hungry for change' you'll get the first 20 minutes of the film free - then you have to pay.

But here's Dr Briffa on artificial sweeteners:

www.drbriffa.com/2012/12/21/artificial-sweeteners-found-to-boost-weight-gain-in-animals/

akarucker Sun 14-Apr-13 07:40:00

Oh no! I switched from ADF (which I've been doing for about 8 weeks), to 4:3 this week, with the aim of moving to 5:2 within another month or so. Well, just a week of 4:3 and my weigh in shows a 4lb gain!!!

I'm heavier than most of you (15st 5'9"), so probably safe to say I have more 'food issues' which have led me to this weight. ADF was working...slowly, but I didn't see that I could sustain it long term, but could probably manage 5:2 long term. Obviously I was wrong. My mindset is still that of starve/binge, as I haven't known what 'normal' eating is for years. My TDEE is around 2000, which I know is plenty, but for me, very hard to stick to.

So, I guess it's back to ADF for another couple of months, in the hope that sooner or later I will be able to control myself more!

I'm aware that this woe is not for people with food issues. I'm not sure if that's me! I do enjoy this woe and I'm losing about 1lb a week (ADF). I know it should be more for ADF but I'm ok with it, as I'm able to really enjoy my eating days. I wish I could be more 'normal' in my eat days, but really don't feel I'm there. I'm just not sure how long I can manage ADF for, as it has quite an impact on family life.

BsshBossh Sun 14-Apr-13 07:45:19

Morning everyone! Has anyone here tried a 36 hour fast and if so have you repeated it? I do 23 hour fasts but have recently wondered whether I eat at the end of that out of habit as by that time I'm not actually hungry. I would imagine the health benefits would be really good and I would break the fast with normal eating the next morning... Peoples' experiences of this would be helpful as I plan out my fasting week.

hi aka. tricky. i don't think ADF is sustainable for life personally and it doesn't sound like you do. it also doesn't sound like this is sorting the real issue for you - just allowing it to continue. if you are only losing a pound a week with alternate day fasting then realistically you must be over eating by a huge amount on non fast days? don't mean to be rude btw. it does sound like you're going to need to tackle the non fast days somehow.

is it quantity of food or what foods you want that cause the excess do you thinK? if it's that you need to feel really full for example then it could be a case of filling up on the right foods that give that fullness without massive calorie counts and gradually reducing portions. if it's the type of food being eaten then it could be a case of cutting certain things out to break addictions? i don't know. need to understand more what's going on on your non fast days to be able to help.

i doubt that that 4lbs is a genuine 4lbs of fat gained from one less fast day. it could just be that that's what happens to your weight with two days of non fasting - as in your usual weigh ins are distorted by the adf effect. not sure itms.

more i think about it aka the more likely at your weight and with your difficulties to eat to tdee that you may need to do calorie counting for a while. like work out what you're eating each non fast day at the minute by recording everything honestly and then maybe having graduated targets for bringing that down. so cut a couple of hundred cals off, get used to that, then a bit more etc.

i know that is not what you want to hear (i really don't want to do calorie counting) but it does sound like you need to train yourself back into eating relatively normal amounts and that might take some time and strategy beyond hoping and wishing. to get to over 15st has taken some time and some consistent, long term overeating i presume - might take some time and some strategy to get out of that habit.

i'm still sat at 11.1 btw. at least it hasn't gone up any further i guess.

i'm not judging btw aka - hope that's clear. at one stage before i started this i weighed in at 12st4lbs. i was massively overeating bad foods over a long period of time, it had become a real habit and the amount i was eating was obscene really so it's only luck (or maybe having stopped a bit sooner) that means i was 12 something rather than 15 something iyswim. so definitely no judgment from me.

akarucker Sun 14-Apr-13 08:10:53

saf chocolate is my addiction! I've tried having dark Choc but it's not cutting it for me. It's the rubbish stuff I'm addicted to. The thing is, and this is the mindset I'm trying to get rid of, but failing....I feel that if I'm fasting a few/couple of times a week (which I find enjoyable, but also hard), then I feel that I deserve some chocolate treats, otherwise it's deprivation all week. Sounds fair! Of course the problem is being able to stop!

I really want this woe to work for me, and I am enjoying it. My worry is that people talk about cravings disappearing, appetites shrinking, not feeling hungry, etc etc, and, two months in, I haven't found that yet. Will it come, or is my mindset too warped to get there I wonder? I do love the fact that on a fast day, I can really look forward to my eat day, but maybe too much!! I'm worried about feeling deprived though, as deprivation is usually what knocks me off the wagon on old diets! That's why I liked this woe.

Urgh, it was all going to well, but maybe I need to get more realistic as to whether this woe is right for me...

akarucker Sun 14-Apr-13 08:14:12

I over posted your comments. I agree, I think I need to count my calories for a while, and see if cutting back is going to make me feel deprived or not. Fast day today, so this will give me some time to give it some thought. Thanks for your advice saf

aka i think this woe is working well for you but the chocolate addiction is sabotaging it clearly. you won't be finding the appetite shrink or the tastes changing if you are mainlining chocolate because it'll be overriding it all. it's a powerful hit from eating this stuff and it can be addiction like as you do even get a brain chemistry reaction.

when you say some chocolate treats on a non fast day realistically how much chocolate are you talking and in what forms are you having it?

akarucker Sun 14-Apr-13 08:32:33

As I haven't figured out how may calories I'm eating yet, this is a guess....my TDEE is about 2000. In guessing 2000 I have in normal, healthy food. Great! Stop there you say......but then I'm guessing about 800-1000 cals in chocolate bars and/or sugary rubbish blush.

Ok, so even as I write this, I can see that this is rediculous! This is obviously quite an easy fix.

yeah. it's hard but obviously you can see the madness in it. your options are quit chocolate cold turkey shock or maybe take those healthy cals down to 700 and have one chocolate bar at the end of the day i guess.

i had to go cold turkey on the ben and jerry's i was hooked on.

and i think you have to rethink the 'treat' element. how is it a treat if it is sabotaging you? how a treat if it means that all that work of alternate fast days is undone? think you need to try and look at it as an addiction to something not good for you that is the reason you've put this weight on and the reason you're struggling to lose it. more a drug than a treat.

1700 not 700! sorry

BetsyVanBell Sun 14-Apr-13 08:38:12

aka - Have you watched the Robert Lustig lecture on sugar? The Bitter Truth. It's long but it might help. You're addicted to sugar I think and need to do something to jolt yourself away from thinking you're treating yourself by eating loads of chocolate. If the dark chocolate isn't cutting it for you then it's the sugar hit you're after. My sugar issues are coming back too - just takes a little 'treat' snack each day to build up the cravings and expectations of it. In the past I've given up sugar products as much as possible (ie all obviously sweet things but need to try to stop with the white flour and cereal products and other 'hidden' sugars) - it takes up to 2 weeks of avoiding for the cravings to go, but once they do you have freedom to make better choices.

I need to make a complete break from sugar too. I've just convinced myself to start today. I do allow myself to eat naturally occurring sugar in fruit but not too much. And I think I should avoid some dried fruits - dates are very high GI for example.

The bitter truth on you tube:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

aka I want freedom from my sugar addiction and I think you do too - would you like to join me in giving it up?

Once you've given it up it is possible to eat a pudding some days without it taking over - it's when it's daily it becomes a problem. It's utterly addictive and it's not your fault but we can take control!

i will join in too if you two are going for it. about to watch that film. i had definitely gotten addicted and my time slot was when i got into bed. i would eat myself into a nice serotonin hit and then go to sleep content.

BetsyVanBell Sun 14-Apr-13 08:44:10

I found that other film Hungry ForChange on US netflix so have now watched it B&W, thanks for the link. I've watched/read loads of stuff about the US food industry so it said nothing new for me but it does provide quite a good round up of the issues if it's a new subject for you.

Weigh day today. Down 1.8lbs this fortnight, 23.2lbs down in total sincethe beginning of September. smile

BetsyVanBell Sun 14-Apr-13 08:46:29

saf Great! I also need to avoid fruity yogurts I think, they're often my go-to when I want a 'healthy' sugar kick but I need to go cold turkey - shall we all aim for 2 weeks and see how we get on? aka?

akarucker Sun 14-Apr-13 08:49:23

betsy yes and no! Of course I want the addiction gone, but I seriously feel like an alcoholic at the thought of giving it up! Yikes! I will watch that link you posted, thank you. I think giving it up is going to be my only way to crack this though. I manage very well on 2000 cals of normal food - it's plenty! It's that feeling of the sugar taste is missing that gets me! So far ADF has enabled me to get that, and still lose weight, but I can see now that this is not a long term way forward.

So, yes, is my answer....I would love to kick it and do it alongside you!!!!

Correction, 25lbs lost since beginning of September! grin

BetsyVanBell Sun 14-Apr-13 08:53:37

saf aka smile Let's do this!

Anyone else up for the 2 weeks of no sugar challenge?!?!

BetsyVanBell Sun 14-Apr-13 08:56:17

Oh and I end up doing this sugar cold-turkey thing once a year so it's not a permanent solution but it helps and it gets my brain to remember than it prefers life without the stupid cravings! Probably usually Easter actually...

Dotty342kids Sun 14-Apr-13 09:28:45

Oh gosh, I so recognise what you're saying about the sugar hit. I'm a big fan of cakes and chocolates and as I don't drink much or smoke I figure I'm allowed one vice!
What I'd say to anyone who finds cutting it out completely a frightening prospect is to reduce what you have available to you. If you know that if you buy a family size bar of Dairy Milk or a "share" bag of buttons and you WILL eat them all then just don't buy them! Buy the next size down bag / bar of whatever it is. Once that becomes your "normal" then cut down again to the next size bag / bar (that might be the "treat/fun" size" ones).
Don't fool yourself that it's cheaper to buy the big bars and make them last - if you know you'll trough it all in one go (like me!) then you have to be brutally honest with youself about it!
Good luck all!

MostlyFine Sun 14-Apr-13 09:29:37

well done ezza! you must be feeling great smile

ELR Sun 14-Apr-13 09:36:56

I will join you as an experiment, I don't think I eat a great deal of added sugar but it will be interesting to see if I'm right and how it affects my weight.
So what are we saying no to exactly?
Chocolate, sweets, cakes, biscuits, fruit yogurt, ice cream. Anything else?
What about fruit juice I take an iron supplement which needs to be diluted in water with orange/apple juice is this ok?

Convert Sun 14-Apr-13 09:54:21

Hi, would it be ok if I joined the thread? I have been low carbing for a few weeks and have lost 6 lbs but I keep slipping up and then I feel really crap about myself, so I comfort eat etc etc!

I had a lurk on the thread yesterday and did my first fast day. Surprisingly easy actually. I think I might try 4:3 as I need to get the weight off quite quickly. I am 11st and I would like to be 9st 6.

bvb - presumably this includes alcohol?

fruit juice is not good ELR but if you must go for orange rather than apple - apple has really high free fructose content

BetsyVanBell Sun 14-Apr-13 09:56:12

Yup, alcohol too!

oh blimey! no alcohol.

ok i'm in. are we starting tomorrow?

bssh I think I'm the only one here who is mad enough to do 36 hour fasts. I've done it twice and managed easily, and lost 2lbs overnight each time and regained a very small proportion of that over the next few days. Generally speaking it seems to boost weight loss as well as giving your body a break. I might now do one in four fasts like that but no more.

As for the sugar addiction, I was coming out of the gym and buying sweets and chocolate every time (had to spend £5 in Asda for free parking as the gym is right next door). In Feb half term I went to the dentist and found I had damaged my teeth so much that I needed a crown and narrowly avoided a root canal. I started 5:2 the next day! I have massively cut down on sugary foods. I can still picture the image in the mirror when the dentist showed me what was left of two of my teeth after all the decay had been drilled away. there were just stumps left and my mouth was full of blood. It has put me off sugar for life!

Dawndonna Sun 14-Apr-13 10:06:21

How do you do your 36 hours. I thought that's what I was doing. I stop eating around 8 on Wednesday. I have my 500 calories on Thursday (apple at lunch, 400 calorie meal between six and eight) and then nothing until ten or eleven on Friday. I am losing. Is that right?

ok - gin has no sugar so if i get desperate i can have a neat gin with ice.

so let's think this out - obviously no biscuits, chocolate, sweets, puddings etc etc. i can't cut out ALL sugar though for example i eat baked beans. are we talking about trying to cut out all sources of sugar? can't be i guess as all veg have sugar in too.

dawn I meant 36 hours without food, sorry that's not clear. Many here go 20+ hours without food and then have an evening meal on their fast day. 36 means skipping that too and then having breakfast.

BetsyVanBell Sun 14-Apr-13 10:16:43

ELR Yes a bit of orange juice would be ok as it's a must with your supplement - better if you squeeze a fresh one!

Dotty I've never been able to cut down - unless I've done 2 weeks of cold turkey first! I don't eat a huge quantity of sugar but once I'm at the point of foraging around the cupboards for something sweet immediately after eating a perfectly lovely meal - that's when I know the addiction is back and I must STOP!

Saf I've decided to be stricter with myself than usual - but if not having any booze is worrying you then that's probably a good reason to have a break from it wink

I'm starting today.

Dawndonna Sun 14-Apr-13 10:16:47

Ahh! Now that I don't think I could manage. I lost 4lbs this week, so I'm happy with the way things are going.

Breadandwine Sun 14-Apr-13 10:17:43

The change for me with my chocolate addiction came when I realised that part of a piece of chocolate would deliver the same flavour hit as the whole piece.

My solution was to cut each square of chocolate into smaller and smaller pieces - as many as 8 sometimes! Then I started eating sultanas along with the chocolate, so I would line up each tiny piece of chocolate with a sultana and eat them together, very slowly. I recorded how long a bar of chocolate lasted, then tried to beat my record. It's a bit obsessive, I know, but it worked for me.

I reduced my wine consumption similarly - I realised one day that half of the glass of wine I was having with my meal had disappeared without it registering. So next time I halved the amount of wine and made sure I relished each sip.

I make my own red wine, and looking at my records, I'm now making half the amount each year that I made a couple of years ago - 10 gallons instead of 20! [hic]

smile

BetsyVanBell Sun 14-Apr-13 10:30:31

Saf - I'm thinking more on the lines of processed sugar and personally I'll be avoiding baked beans. Veg is fine, fruits ok in moderation, except dates! (I mention in particular this as I've become a bit hooked on dates and they are ludicrously sweet and sugary - connection?!)

For me I'm thinking a break from white flour goods and potatoes too as they're broken down into sugar very quickly. I'm only planning on being this strict for a couple of weeks but I will continue to try and avoid the obvious shop bought cakes, biscuits snack bars and chocolate for longer.

Bit of an extreme method Patscat! Good to hear you've kicked the post-gym snack habit though!

i'm thinking all obvious sources like choc, biscuits etc. i already only drink water and black coffee and alcohol so the alcohol is all that has to change there. i'm going to leave beans in there and i eat very little bread - like once a week or something so that's not an issue. no cereal i guess.

think i will take it as an opportunity to up my protein too.

i'll start tomorrow as i have a family lunch this afternoon and will want to have a glass or two of wine plus tomorrow is the big back to work and routines day so a good time to start something new.

i'm getting nervous now! shock grin

BetsyVanBell Sun 14-Apr-13 10:43:17

Sounds good saf - I've put a splash of water into my black coffee as per your recommendation some threads back and you're right, it works a treat. I'd got a bit addicted to the sweetness of the milk after drinking lots of delicious cafe au lait and chocolate chaud on holiday. I'm ready to stop now though.

B&W I'm fine without chocolate, it's the sugar that hooks me in...

BsshBossh Sun 14-Apr-13 10:52:45

postmanpatscat thanks. I think I will try a 36 hour fast this week. I just need to work out the ideal day as I've just started a weight lifting programme so need to be careful I have enough fuel in my system for those days.

ELR Sun 14-Apr-13 11:37:52

Ok should be able to do this. Good news about the Gin saf!
I don't drink fizzy or squash or have sugar in tea. Have 75ml of fresh orange with iron supplement on non fasting days.
Cereal wise I sometimes have bran flakes or rude health early bird musilie but usually I eat porridge and never add sugar usually have some berries or grated apple to sweeten it.
Don't eat crisps or white carb products apart from occasional fresh pasta and have potato about 1 or 2 times a month.
Can easily live without chocolate as dont eat that much as get migraine my downfall will be cakes. I love to bake, usually at least twice per week so that will be my challenge.
I also love fruit so will reduce my intake. Alcohol will not be an issue!!

akarucker Sun 14-Apr-13 11:41:37

bvb I just watched the link you posted, The Bitter Truth. What an eye opener that is!!

Yes, I will do two weeks of cold turkey of cutting out as much of the refined sugar as is practical. That is, chocolate, sweets, cakes, biscuits, puddings etc. I'm still going to allow the sugar that crops up in beans, bread, etc. At the end of the two weeks, I'll see if it's made any difference to my cravings. Today is a fast day, so no time like the present....

Oh, I wish I'd eaten more chocolate yesterday.....too late now!!

Thank you so much for your support on here everyone. I was really thinking this morning that this woe maybe wasn't suited to me after all, but I can see now that it is, it's just another issue I have to overcome. I can, and will, conquer it!!!!

ELR Sun 14-Apr-13 11:41:45

question to all has anyone experienced an increase or decrease in sex drive on this diet?

virginposter Sun 14-Apr-13 11:46:01

Good luck to all you guys doing the no sugar diet. I'd like to join in but I'm at my sister's putting in a new kitchen (chaos) and it's all I can manage to keep up with my fasts for two weeks!!

Last year I had a major problem with yeast which gave me terrible rashes and digestive problems and so I was advised to go on a yeast and sugar free diet as yeast thrive on sugar. I cut out all obvious ones (bread) plus the added ones like in baked beans etc but also I cut out fruit, milk and cheese because of their sugars and I did this for 4 months to try to erradicate all yeast from my system. It was a bit hard at first but very soon I found that it was doable and like this woe it got easier and easier as time went by. I too love all the sugar rich things including choc and dates and cakes etc but I did it and felt so much better for it (lost my first half a stone), then saw the Horizon prog and carried on from there.

I slowly included sugar back into my diet and mainly I manage to control it whilst at home but I've been picking at biscuits and all manner of 'bad' things whilst away (stress of doing this kitchen) and have found that I've now got a liking for it again - doh! But I think I'll follow your examples and try cutting it out for a while once I go home to get some control. I find that once I have control I allow myself only so much each week so that it (hipefully) doesn't get out of control.

Anyway, sorry for long post, what I'm trying to say is go for it, you can do it smile

akarucker Sun 14-Apr-13 11:46:25

Oh, and I will also go back to ADF for the two weeks, so as not to lose any momentum, and track my eat days on MFP for two weeks to see if I keep within TDEE when the sugar is out.

no worries aka - just hope we can help you crack it though a bit stunned that it has ended up with me quitting sugar for a fortnight confused grin

sugar is really how i got into this mess. probably said this before but i completely gave up alcohol for 7 months. once i did instead of the relatively small amount of alcohol i was sipping over an evening most evenings i started having sweet stuff instead. when you quit drinking you often find you crave sugar because you're missing the sugar in alcohol. i piled on weight over those months and despite feeling good from not drinking i wasn't feeling good from being chock full of refined sugar and crap and feeling fat and bloated all the time.

i think i will actually start today too [need a scared face]

might make today a mini/proper fast too. not sure which yet. will do what i did last week at sunday dinner and not have the meat or yorkshire but a good full plate of veg and three roast potatoes. last week it filled me up nicely and i managed not to eat for the rest of the day. i will see if it works this week.

tomorrowweeat Sun 14-Apr-13 13:11:50

OK I'm joining in too smile Anyone know of a good sugar free recipe book? All the ones I've seen are very American.