5:2 Diet Thread! Number sweet 16!

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GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 22-Mar-13 20:05:14

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

BsshBossh Fri 22-Mar-13 20:17:53

I'm first, I'm first grin

Northstarmum Fri 22-Mar-13 20:19:04

2nd the best!

BsshBossh Fri 22-Mar-13 20:22:06

Or as my 4 year old daughter likes to say, "The last is the winner!"

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 22-Mar-13 20:54:27


Fast day here today. Not entirely sure I'm below 500, but I'm not far off if I am over. I had a carton of veg soup for supper, and carrots with hummus earlier on. I don't usually have anything in addition to the soup but I needed something solid today.

Last weekend with my mum visiting. DS definitely has chicken pox so we won't be inflicting him on others by dining out. We'll see what we end up doing.

MickPortly Fri 22-Mar-13 21:13:34

Thanks to all who shared information about their long-term achievements with 5:2. That is so great to hear that you are in maintenance mode without serious yo-yo effect. And thanks to TinP for the tip on the other forum with more detailed progress reports here. I'm looking forward to tracking my progress. So far, I find the WOL very appealing. Good luck and see you in the threads. --MP

Dotty342kids Fri 22-Mar-13 21:15:48

Thanks as always greeneggs
Fast day for me today, had a few of the kids' oven chips whilst they were eating tea, then a 321 cal ready meal from Waitrose. Had two small squares of Dairy Milk and the rest is safely in the cupboards.
So, I suspect I may have tipped slightly over 500 but only by a handful of cals!

Paintingrainbowskies Fri 22-Mar-13 21:15:56

Since there is a new thread I'm going to come out of the shadows and join in! I have had loads of tips and information from these threads and have been doing 5:2 for 8 weeks and think it is great.

I am about 4 stone overweight and have been heavier but lost a bit through breast feeding for 14 months but I stopped at the end of last year and didn't really adapt my eating habits and ended up putting on about half a stone. I'm glad I spotted this diet and bought the book.

I've not lost a great deal,only 7 pounds but I know that is because I don't count calories at all on my eating days, I just know that as my usual pattern I will go in all guns blazing, being excellent for a couple of weeks then get fed up and blow it all.

I am really viewing this as a way of life and I'm sure this is something I can stick to going forward. The health benefits are really appealing.

If I hadn't of started 5:2 I would probably have put on another half or stone or so in that time so I am really pleased I found this.

Thanks again for all the advice and tips (just finished a huge portion of Laksa's chickpea, aubergine and spinach curry -yum!)

frenchfancy Fri 22-Mar-13 22:01:32

Thanks again greeneggs.

Eating day today. Currently enjoying a glass of wine and some cheese. Debating whether to have a bit of chocolate as well. I love this WOE grin

ellenbrody Fri 22-Mar-13 22:06:10

bshhboshh , I'm the same height as you: 5ft 4.5".
I carry my weight on my bum, tum and thighs, although I have a small waist.
At 9st, I am a large size 12.
I am trying to maintain at 8st 3 or 4, bmi 19 which is a size 10.
I know this seems low, but with the way I carry it, I feel uncomfortable any heavier.
Unfortunately it means my TDEE is low and even on eat days I need to be careful.
I try and exercise 3x per week, not on fast days,
And eat those calories back.

ellenbrody Fri 22-Mar-13 22:07:11

Oh, I forgot - thanks greeneggs for starting this thread.

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Fri 22-Mar-13 23:25:06

Hello smile marking my place, will come back tomorrow smile

virginposter Fri 22-Mar-13 23:48:57

peplum41 I suspect that there are a few 'oldies' lurking on here who are still as keen as ever on 5:2 but do not post (or not very often, like me) smile

virginposter Fri 22-Mar-13 23:51:41

Oh yes, thanks again greeneggs flowers

virginposter Sat 23-Mar-13 00:05:41

It's very strange how some of us who are 5' 4.5" ish are different shapes and sizes and proves that there is no 'normal'.
I am the same height and now weigh 10st 2lbs but I am wearing size 10's and they are not tight. I think if I went into the 9st's (maybe 9.10) then that would be my limit and verging on the too thin. At the moment I feel that I'd maybe ok to lose just a few more lbs to allow for maintenance 'bounce' smile

mumrunner Sat 23-Mar-13 00:30:35

I'm just over 6 months on this WOE and weight loss of 24 pounds. Started September 4, did 5:2 at first but was not losing much so decided to do 4:3, and was more successful. I did plateau from January until 2 weeks ago did not loss anything at all, mind you I don't calorie count on eating days but I like this WOE so I just carry on because if I don't loss any I can benefit with repair mode instead plus it's now a way of eating now that fasting is just a second nature. I'm training for the marathon so I also run on fast days, it's funny how much energy I now have with all the weight loss that I actually run faster when fasting. So for people who plateau just keep at it, it will eventually go down, like many people changing fasting pattern will kick start weight loss.

Nettnett Sat 23-Mar-13 02:02:13

I am 5'4" (1.63cm) too, and I am 56 kilos ( 8 stone 8 I think)
It's pretty evenly dispersed, but I am always aware of the dreaded 'scrawny' look us over fifties can get, and watch out for it like a hawk!
I am 'big boned' (size 8 feet!) broad shoulders, big hands etc., a size 10 here in Oz.

I wish I were taller, then my TDEE would be so much higher!

HotPanda Sat 23-Mar-13 05:14:31

I'm posting again because I was on the last page of the last thread.

Week 1. 3 fasts done. Weigh in.........4lbs off.
I'm so pleased.

Yesterday was an eating day but I got some good news so it turned into a drinking day! blush Still under my TDEE calories though.

catsrus Sat 23-Mar-13 05:29:42

Well done to all losers grin

I'm a long term loser (since August ) 30lbs gone, am now on maintenance - finding the level that is genuinely sustainable for me. Having been on 9.4- 9.8 since around xmas I'm working at moving to a 9st - 9.4 range. Having been away at a conference with hotel food and sandwich lunches and wine I was very pleased to find I hadn't put any weight on this week <phew>

TheEarlyBird Sat 23-Mar-13 06:54:01

Hmm - this woe has made me realise how much alcohol plays a part in my weight loss. Two fast days this week - the first at the start of the week when I don't drink alcohol and the second which ended yesterday when I can have a drink. Tuesday morning weigh in - scales went down, this morning - nothing. I'm looking at you, g & t sad

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Sat 23-Mar-13 07:26:41

Well I fasted yesterday after my small gain on the scales yesterday morning - cheeky weigh ok saw a new low of 145.4lbs this morning - so it looks like I lose about 2lbs with every fast.

Today is meant to be a c25k day (on week 7) but woke up early and checked the weather - decided not too as its a little snowy! However, it's an eating and working weekend so I'm sure I can fit in that pesky third run either this evening or tomorrow evening. (Actually tomorrow evening after dinner - might keep me away from usual evening nibbles)

I will ask again about mfp - does anyone want to be added by me? My username is my RL name so I don't really want to add it, but can PM if anyone wants it. Would be great if I had people on my list that were eating like me! grin

Thanks to GreenEggs for the new shiny thread - these must be the fastest moving threads on MN!

BsshBossh Sat 23-Mar-13 07:40:36

virgin the height/weight/normal thing is amazing. I love hearing how different weights the same height take different sizes and have different goals.

When I was 15 stones (5ft 4.5) I was still only in size 16-18 clothes! I'm over 40 and a bit of weight suits me (I like my curves) so this is why my goal weight is the upper end of normal BMI.

I exercise to keep my TDEE high grin.

BsshBossh Sat 23-Mar-13 07:42:41

Right, unscheduled mini fast day for me today to mitigate against over-eating of curry and baked goods yesterday. I'll fast until 5-ish then eat normally (which should still end up being well below my TDEE due to small eating window). My stomach needs a rest.

akarucker Sat 23-Mar-13 08:21:43

Yesterday's fast was so, so, hard! I'm not sure why, as they've really become much easier, but not yesterday. Anyway, I persevered and so glad I did because I'm now at a 10lb loss in a little over five weeks. Eat day today so really going to enjoy every mouthful. I've really noticed Taft, actually - has anyone else - that I appreciate and enjoy food much more since starting this WOE. I used to shovel food down in one gulp, without even tasting it. Now I'm really enjoying the food I eat, and I savor every mouthful. Mmmm, this WOE is perfect for foodies...

akarucker Sat 23-Mar-13 08:22:23

That - not Taft!!

silverbeetle Sat 23-Mar-13 08:26:42

To fast or not to fast? That is this mornings question.

Hit an all time low yesterday at 10st 11lb but back to 10st 12lb this morning, didn't over indulge but did eat more carbs than usual and had 2 glasses of wine last night. I'm also 5ft 4in, larger frame aiming for around 10st but I may look too scrawny so will see how it goes.

Perhaps 5ft 4in ish was the average height in the late 50s to early 70s? I never used to feel small but these days the younger people seem to tower over me. DD who is 15 is 5ft 9in and DS at 13 is 5ft 6in. Have to stand on the stairs to tell them off these days grin

I digress, to answer to my question on this crappy, cold, snowy, 'spring' day = I will fast, I quite enjoy it.smile

Keep warm everyone and please send some of the sunshine over Wildwater

katiegirl Sat 23-Mar-13 09:03:02

How do people manage their fasts if they're working night shifts? I'm struggling to work out when I can fit mine in next week.

Monday- I will be sleeping most of the day because I'm working Sunday night, usually eat after midnight at work.

Tuesday is a possibility but I'm baking for a coffee evening which I'm attending so not very realistic

Working Wednesday and Thursday nights

Friday - same as Monday but may be visiting family on the afternoon which would involve a meal

Saturday and Sunday - Easter weekend, not sure of plans, dd is with her Dad so hoping for a night out, will probably have Sunday dinner with my family plus looking forward to some chocolate!

So I'm thinking I will try one on this Sunday, have my meal at work tonight, usually around 1ish and then nothing till 1am on Sunday night/Monday morning when I'll have a 500cal meal, then nothing else till Monday teatime. That gives me 24hours of fasting. It seems like it will be much harder with tiredness and a confused body clock thrown in though! Plus this weekend my night shifts don't start till 9pm - so longer to wait till I go to work, and they're at the quiet place - so less distractions!

During the week if Sunday's fast goes okay I'll do the same on Thursday. I start at 7 and I'm at the very busy place so might be a bit easier.

I like working nights for a few reasons, although don't request them specifically just get given a lot, however it can't be good for you health to effectively lose a nights sleep every week and have to switch your nights and days back and forth so frequently.

mehefin Sat 23-Mar-13 09:20:31

katiegirl I am just off to my weekend day job but I work nights in the week. I will read your post and reply later

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 23-Mar-13 09:34:30

PaintingRainbowSkies Welcome to the threads! Sometimes I think having to have new threads as often as we do is a bit irritating, but I think it helps get new people posting. grin I think they get so large and unwieldly, people don't feel like jumping in and getting lost in it all.

I agree, it truly is a WOE for me. I have to admit, I'm probably not in losing mode at the moment. Mum is visiting (so lots of cooking at home and eating out) among other things (house move) and I think normally I'd just accept that I'd be putting on a few pounds with her visit. However, I know for a fact that I am, at the very least, not gaining right now. If I'm the same when she's left I'll consider it a success.

I'll be truly back on next week, though. I'd like to lose a bit more before meeting my dad in Paris at the end of May. smile

Pile of snow out there today! And TOTM started today, would explain a bit of mood swinging I had the other day hmm. It's always a nice bonus when it falls on a non-fast day, I have to admit.

Hope everyone is doing well out there today.

Itsaboatjack Sat 23-Mar-13 09:47:02

Morning all. Well I had far too many carbs last night (bread and chocolate mainly), and now I feel very sluggish this morning. Was planning on a fairly long run today but this weather is just awful, it's not the snow particularly, we don't have any settled here so not worried a out slipping and falling but it's so windy and the snow would be in my face the whole time. I may try saf's yoga instead.

dines Sat 23-Mar-13 10:04:04

Hello all.. getting ready for my long day goin to a concert at Wembley arena so really buzzing.. feed day for me so gonna go out somewhere in london for a lunch then off the concert at 7... today is gonna be full of alchol and food so im not looking forward to my weigh in lol but never mind.. is anyone fasting today?

mummyof2girlsx Sat 23-Mar-13 11:57:51

Enjoy dines sounds like you have a fantastic day ahead! Don't think about the weigh in, enjoy your day and fast again next week grin
I'm doing a mini fast today so nothing until late afternoon, then a nice meal and wine......can't wait!

frenchfancy Sat 23-Mar-13 13:02:05

Unexpected side effect of the weight loss. My feet have shrunkshock . I'd not really noticed all winter as I've been wearing thick socks. But spring has arrived here, so I tried pn my shoes I want to wear with my (size 12) dress tonight and they are too big. I had to go out and buy new shoes!

I went up a size due to 3 pregnancies but never expected them to shrink back again 13 years later.

Talkinpeace Sat 23-Mar-13 13:27:11

that's surreal - but shows that your body is using up all the stores of fat it had hidden away.

ErikNorseman Sat 23-Mar-13 13:45:12

I'm back on it after a week away, came back weighing the same. I tried to fast on Monday but ended up having around 1200 cals so not great. But it did give me the motivation to start logging calories on eating days, which I did all week, going to TDEE on one day and under the rest, then I fasted Friday and dropped 3lb this morning! Back under 12st which was nice to see.
I had stalled on this diet because I was overeating on eat days so my deficit was too small to make a difference. If I can get my head back into calorie tracking during eat days I'm confident I can get back into fasting.

Breadandwine Sat 23-Mar-13 14:09:19

Here's an article from last Sunday's Observer with some fascinating research on ageing:


Cynthia Kenyon: 'The idea that ageing was subject to control was completely unexpected'.

The molecular biologist talks about the discovery that led to a revolution in our understanding of the ageing process.

ellenbrody Sat 23-Mar-13 15:15:03

I have, unexpectedly got a weekend, managed a 16 hour mini fast. I'm glad as I had a terribly indulgent day yesterday!

Went 17 hours, then had a baguette in a cafe whilst out. The DD's then had a cake, whilst I had an apple.

Will have a normal dinner tonight but will go easy (or even lay off) the carbs and have extra salad so I can have a glass of wine.

This is my second week where I've managed to maintain my weight with a 'proper' and then a 'mini' fast.

So far so good. Happy weekend fasters!

Thanks for the new thread GreenEggs, it's almost as if you waited for me to log off before posting it! grin found it though!

Talkinpeace Sat 23-Mar-13 15:56:03

An interesting thought about changing shape without losing weight - toned versus untoned muscle.
After a week of gym classes my waist shrinks because my ab muscles are permanently taut.
After a week of office work, my waist can go up by over an inch as the muscle relaxes - but my weight has not changed.
Another reason to be hitting the Shred / Yoga / Pilates while fasting - because you'll look AMAZING when you get lean rather than just thin.

Breadandwine Sat 23-Mar-13 16:01:23

Well done, GE

Discussion on TOTM coming up on R4 - right now!

mehefin Sat 23-Mar-13 16:12:03

katiegirl Hi again. I work a mixture of nights and days but they tend to stay pretty much the same which allows me to have a bit of a routine also my 4ds are all over 18 so I get as much sleep as I need.

If Monday is my first night I eat about 7pm on Sunday and then drinks only til 4pm Monday . I then split my 500 cals some before I sleep and some when I get up at 8. While I am at work I have a healthy meal about 1am - this is my lunch for Tuesday ! Breakfast when I get home, some sleep and dinner in the evening . So I have fitted in a fast , a low cal day and had correct amount of food on the day after as well.

It took a while to arrive at this pattern it is a case of finding what fits for you.

I think occasions like Easter you have to enjoy and fast again next week

Some of us are finding that regular fasting is helping reduce some of the symptons of working nights. If you like nights could you offer to do a regular pattern of set nights to help with your sleep ?

Maybe this week you could try a fast starting after dinner on Tuesday so you get to eat some of your cakes

It really is a very flexible way of eating so I am sure you can make it work for you

linkainka Sat 23-Mar-13 16:14:35

Hi x I have just read the book and am fasting today. A good feeling. Looking forward to the long term benefits of IF xxx

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 16:27:15

Carried on from previous thread:

SO MANY people are successfully doing it that WW / SW / diet columnists are starting to feel a tad insecure

Got any links showing these insecure columnists?

My issue is thus:

If 'SO MANY' people are doing 'the fast diet' now, presumably this is a result of the influx of media coverage - the same media coverage which portrays the diet as 'fasting for 2 days, gorging for 5'. But alas, the diet doesn't work when you gorge on the 5 (I learnt this the hard way). So either those who are losing weight following the media representation of the diet must have been pretty obese to start with, or you're mistaken about the amount of people actually on the diet. For instance, I don't know a soul IRL following this WOE.

It's also going to be harder to lose weight as your BMI is pretty low, so 4lbs in a week is really good going!

That's true, it is harder as I try to shift these last few stubborn pounds. My body is screaming for food (even on non-fast days). This is certainly the most grueling diet I've ever been on.

The bran flake diet was the best (and most successful) grin

sausages51 Sat 23-Mar-13 16:31:09

frenchfancy I have to say your post about your shrinking feet made me laugh out loud ! That's just unbelievable! I like it though. I think its a healthy sign. I hope MY feet shrink (& my tummy & bottom & thighs & upper arms !):-)

Talkinpeace Sat 23-Mar-13 16:32:35

I know lots and lots and lots of people (mostly at my gym) who are doing it - several since last September. All are getting results.

THe hunger thing is just a case of finding foods that sate you without putting on weight.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 16:39:46

THe hunger thing is just a case of finding foods that sate you without putting on weight

As I say, the bran flake diet was the best diet I've EVER been on. Suspend disbelief for a moment whilst I tell you about it:

* You eat whenever you like.
* You eat as MUCH as you like.
* You only eat bran flakes (which is fine by me as I love them).

Bran flakes are a great comfort food - carbs, sugar, synthetic vitamins, what's not to love? Now, you're probably thinking, "that sure as hell wasn't sustainable" and you'd be right - but not for the reasons you're thinking of. I found the bran flake diet really easy to stick to and didn't feel deprived (as I say, bran flakes are a great comfort food and they're roughage with a very low GI rating) but the diet had just one (albeit vital) snag.....

You fart like a corpse! Literally every 10 minutes I would fart, and cleared a room with it. The farts smelt like rotten flesh. Although I lost a stone on the diet (a stone!) and I was happy on it, the diet just wasn't socially viable. :sigh:

BMJ, gotta agree with TiP that you may need to find some more satisfying meals if you're finding eating 1800 kcal on a normal day as being gruelling. My TDEE is lower than that and I need to accept that that is all my body needs and I shouldn't feel deprived at not being able to eat over that amount on a regular basis.

Dotty342kids Sat 23-Mar-13 16:46:17

Surely, BMJ the sign of a "successful" diet / way of eating is one that is your last ever diet? If you ever need to diet after it, then it was, intrinsically, a failure?
Any way of eating that you do, to achieve weight loss, has to be long term and sustainable and many of us are saying that for the first time in our lives as dieters, this really feels as though it is.
The proof, of course, will be in the pudding eg. 2-3 years down the line how many of us are still happy with our weights and feeling good but early indicators seem positive from those over on the maintenance thread.
And I know loads of people doing this in RL too even though I often have to out myself before they'll say so! I think people are still a bit scared of being seen as trying another faddy diet - only time and results will change that grin

Itslifejimbutnotasweknowit Sat 23-Mar-13 16:52:38

Hi folks I've had a look at your thread for the first time today although I've herd a lot about it. Just read the last comment by BMJ and frankly girl your soooo missing the point. Fasting is about reducing insulin production and increasing likelihoods of living longer, its a lifestyle change that has the benefit of wieght loss followed by weight stability, replacing Yo yo diets. BMJ get with it!

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 16:56:46

If you ever need to diet after it, then it was, intrinsically, a failure?

Did you read why it failed though? If I could address that issue I would go back to the bran flake diet in a heart beat.

silverbeetle Sat 23-Mar-13 17:00:58

BMJ have you tried a cork grin

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 17:06:23

silverbeetle grin DH already suggested that one, much to his merriment.

silverbeetle Sat 23-Mar-13 17:07:09


Itslifejimbutnotasweknowit Sat 23-Mar-13 17:08:09

BMJ try a sock then!

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 17:19:07

I even made an appointment with my GP whom then expressed the opinion that farting (even warfare strength farts) was actually a good thing. I wish my local community shared the same belief.

:sigh: So there's not even a medical remedy.

BetsyVanBell Sat 23-Mar-13 17:21:18

B&W What an interesting article thank you. Slightly regretting today's bread and brownie baking [guilty chomping noises].

FF Hmmm, It took me a good couple of years to accept that babies had made my feet bigger, if they shrink again I'm not sure I could readjust!

Every few weeks I have a weekend where I do absolutely nothing except potter round the house, watch films, lie on the sofa etc. This is definitely one of those weekends. No fasting but I'm getting full up much quicker these days and left to my own devices I wouldn't be cooking this evening [peeps furtively over laptop at hungry family], I don't think I'll get away with that though!

frenchfancy Sat 23-Mar-13 17:27:41

betsy I know what you mean, but at least I have a good excuse to go shoe shopping smile

and die of malnutrition. bmj an eating disorder is not cured by a diet and never will be by any diet. your 'body' is unlikely to be screaming for food or finding it gruelling to be on 1800 cals - that is your mind - which is where eating disorders live. if you genuinely want to find eating/not eating/food comfortable you need to seek treatment from a specialist.

i thought the thread was quiet today - managed to miss you had all departed to a new one.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 17:43:16

your 'body' is unlikely to be screaming for food or finding it gruelling to be on 1800 cals

Well if I stick to 1800 cals on non-fast days then I lose 4lbs per week. This is a little on the high-side no? Which suggests to me that my TDEE may be higher than 1800. Perhaps the breastfeeding has something to do with it, although I only feed 3 x per day. hmm

I know that what I feel on non-fast days is genuine rather than psychological hunger because:

1. I now know what genuine hunger feels like (I'm sure you'll agree, this WOE promotes that consciousness).
2. The hunger I feel causes chronic insomnia.
3. I get dizzy and light-headed often.

virginposter Sat 23-Mar-13 17:44:39

I think BMJ is pulling our legs, yanking our chains etc. She often makes wild statements and even criticised our beloved Dr MM a few threads back! I suspect she is bored and trying to liven things up a bit grin

Think you might be right vp!

SpiralSkies Sat 23-Mar-13 18:10:58

The trouble is, BMJ, you make these wild statements yet when people try to help - for example, pointing out the poor value of your copious consumption of Diet Pepsi and the fact that you apparently rely on ready meals which have little nutritional value, as I read you live on from another thread - you discard the good advice and simply reiterate how "grueling" this way of eating is.

This way of eating is only as hard as you make it. If you don't want to be helped, then don't. It's the type of inflammatory posts you continually write that make me not contribute to the threads any longer.

Eating bran flakes, and nothing but bran flakes, forever is not a 'normal' way to eat. Advocating such a thing does no one any favours. Of course, it's up to you how you want to eat and live. But your posts may well put off people who would benefit from this way of eating and that, to me, seems a shame.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 18:13:49

I think BMJ is pulling our legs, yanking our chains etc. She often makes wild statements and even criticised our beloved Dr MM a few threads back! I suspect she is bored and trying to liven things up a bit

Pulling your legs about the bran flake diet? Absolutely not!

As for MM, I have a love-hate (fantasy) relationship with him. It was his birthday yesterday you know wine [/bunny boiler]

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 18:22:01

the poor value of your copious consumption of Diet Pepsi

Hey! DP is the only thing getting me through today's fast I'l;l have you know! angry [cradles her can]

I'll concede on the ready meals though, they are bad tasty badness. I even lick out the plastic carton. My issue with not using ready meals, as I've stated previously, is that I would have to weigh everything I eat, not to mention [shudder] actually cook something.

Eating bran flakes, and nothing but bran flakes, forever is not a 'normal' way to eat.

My bowels would agree with you wholeheartedly. It was bloody good though. And very effective to the goal of weight-loss. A stone! You can't sniff at that! (Except in this instance, you can very much sniff and bawlk at the smell).

Hi, can I join you and ask a few questions?

I've just started reading the Fast Diet book, I'm usually a Slimming World girl but fed up of depriving myself!wink

So I need some inspiration, can some of you let me know the weight losses you've had please.

Has it been straightforward or difficult?

Can you really eat normally or is it limited. What do you eat on non fasting day?

I've got 2 stone to shift, how long could that take?

Thanks x

akarucker Sat 23-Mar-13 18:26:12

BMJ if you don't like this WOE, why are you doing it?

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 23-Mar-13 18:27:56

VP thank goodness someone said it. wink

I don't love MM. My virtual desire is saved for Paul Hollywood. sigh.

In case BMJ is actually wondering, or anyone else is, our whole reason for even bringing TDEE up is to give people a guideline as to what a non-fast day should look like. A non-fast day isn't a fry-up for breakfast, Chinese buffet for lunch, and a roast dinner. This is the virtual world; we've no idea how bad each other's eating habits are, so we bring everything back to scratch, so to speak. Look at what the calculator says, start from there. It might show you you're regularly overeating by 1000 calories, or it might show you you're undereating. It's not chapter and verse, though. If things aren't working, then adjust your caloric intake.

When I'm doing this WOE and aiming to lose weight, I'll be honest, I don't usually count calories. I know when I'm eating properly. These last two weeks, mum's been visiting and between all meals out/ home cooking, I know I won't have lost anything. However, I'm sure I haven't gained anything either, which is a change from previous visits!

When all else fails, though, clearly you should try the bran flake diet. smile

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 18:38:33

BMJ if you don't like this WOE, why are you doing it?

The same reason I endure spinning classes.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 18:42:04

A non-fast day isn't a fry-up for breakfast, Chinese buffet for lunch, and a roast dinner.

You'd think that if you soaked up the media coverage though. I'm surprised there hasn't been a backlash already based on media misrepresentation of the diet. (Can you tell it boils my piss?)

When all else fails, though, clearly you should try the bran flake diet.

I would, I really would, but what about the farts?!

If you're losing 4 lbs a week then eat more and lose less BMJ - it's not rocket science confused

My TDEE is 2000, I'm aiming to lose a pound a week (averaged over a month so I don't give a crap about the scales every week)

IMO 4 pounds a week is too much and not sustainable and it's CLEARLY not satisfying you so EAT more!!

Maybe if you eat more you'll be less bonkers, drink less diet Pepsi, eat less ready meal shite and finally get to grips with your disordered eating.

You're already light - you don't NEED to lose 4 pounds a week - you do NEED to be healthy.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 18:52:47

LaurieFairyCake you're right. I was thinking of having a naughty day every week where I have my vices: jam on toast for breakfast, burger and chips meal out, and a pizza for supper blush With perhaps some chocolate for snacks.

If I did that once a week and kept to 1800 on my other non-fast days, do you reckon I'd still lose weight? I'm aiming for 1-2lbs per week rather than the 4lbs I'm currently losing.

SpiralSkies Sat 23-Mar-13 18:56:12

BMJ I can only presume you don't feed your children ready meals. If you make sensible, nutritious food for them, why can't you eat the same thing? You just sound a little - and forgive me for saying this - silly.

And now I will bow out for another few months, whilst continuing on what is the most sustainable WoE I've found so far. I've never eaten so well, nor cooked so much amazing food as I have since last August.

I don't know, no one does honey - we're not inside your body wink

I DO know that the list of food you propose looks a bit devoid of nutrition so please consider plenty of veg on the other days.

And if you're going to do that, give it a good go without stressing - do it for a month and then take your weight. If you've only a small amount to lose then it matters not a jot if you do it slow - you need to enjoy it too.

This is a long term thing and you have to find a way to do it that satisfies YOU.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 19:04:35

If you make sensible, nutritious food for them, why can't you eat the same thing?

I don't really enjoy the things they eat - alphabet fritters, beans, mashed potato, sunday dinner, spaghetti bolognaise, typical toddler faire. Also I tend to feed them 'good' fatty stuff such as lashings of cheesy pasta which is fine for them (they're not trying to lose weight).

And if you're going to do that, give it a good go without stressing - do it for a month and then take your weight.

But what if I gain on that month? confused God this is so stressful.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 23-Mar-13 19:13:27

BMJ so are you regularly losing 4lbs a week? Because a few weeks ago you weren't losing anything at all on 1800 cals on non-fast days.

If you've been reading these threads, TIP's posts often suggest having a day of splashing out mixed in with days of varying intake.

You're also saying you don't know anyone on this diet, but then when you first came here, it was because a friend had recommended it? If you don't know anyone else doing this, it's probably just because no one really talks about it until someone else brings it up. The very few times I've mentioned it to people in real life, at least one other person near me is also doing it and opens up immediately to talk about it. smile

silverbeetle Sat 23-Mar-13 19:18:31

Hi Mummytowillow

I find this WOE really straightforward, very easy to stick to and it fits in well with normal life. For me now it's a WOL rather than eating.
It works for most people as long as they don't eat stupidly on non-fast days. You eat normal food. So yes you can still have a biscuit or a glass of wine on a non-fast day but you can't eat a whole packet or gorge on takeaways and still expect to lose weight. As long as you eat around your TDEE (the amount of calories your body needs to function on a normal day) on non-fast day you should be OK. There's a link at the top of the page to help you work out your TDEE.

You will find that after a while you will naturally eat less on non-fast days and you will probably start to eat more healthily as your body adjusts. This means the weight should stay off.

After an initial loss in the first week, subsequent week's loses seem to be smaller, most people lose on average 1lb a week.

Hope that helps.

You might not lose much but why would you gain? You're only talking about adding in 2000 extra calories (roughly) a week with that extra eating. That will still mean a loss for you (and yes, it might be that your TDEE is off because of the breast feeding)

If you want to lose a pound a week then you need to lose (roughly) 3500 calories a week if you're using MFP.

Why is it stressful? confused - you've not much weight to lose, it's clearly working weight wise if you're losing 4 pound a week - you just need to tweak it to be more emotionally satisfied and to lose less weight.

I think in general everyone is trying to tweak it to work for them.

I'm finding my TDEE isn't enough this week - in fact I'm finding the eating days increasingly hard (and the fast days stupidly easy).

What I'm putting that down to is that according to the research people typically eat 15% more on non-fast days than usual - in sticking to my TDEE I'm not eating that 15% and even though my TDEE is high I'm less satiated.

So this week I've over eaten on my TDEE a couple of days while still (just) bringing my weekly calories in 3300 under - not quite that magic pound weight loss probably but still doable for me.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 19:30:53

Because a few weeks ago you weren't losing anything at all on 1800 cals on non-fast days.

If I stick to 1800 I lose 4lbs without fail. If I eat what I like on non-fast days (as per media suggestion) I lose nothing.

BsshBossh Sat 23-Mar-13 19:41:49

VP I agree and it's why I never respond anymore wink.

Then you've already learned that 5 days a week you can't 'eat what you like'.

But maybe YOU can eat what you like one or two days a week and still lose weight - instead of 4 pounds you might lose one or two.

I also can't eat what I like at the moment. It's fucking cold, I've not managed to get out in the garden, I've become very sedentary in the last couple of weeks.

All of those negatives are going to stop me eating what I like. Maybe in summer with lovely fresh salads and fresh veg it will be easier for me but frankly right now I've gone off winter veg and am craving spring and sunshine and better health.

BsshBossh Sat 23-Mar-13 19:46:07

SpiralSkies don't bow out just because of one or two posters. Simply don't respond to them. But please continue to share your experience of this WOE.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 23-Mar-13 19:46:20

BMJ are you suggesting that everything we read in the media... isn't true?!


They're going to make it sound as crazy/good/bad/whatever as they want to in order to sell papers or get clicks-through. The Telegraph article in my OP makes it sound like you can eat what you want, but it's clarified towards the end by MM's comments.

I haven't had a whole lot of time lately with the move and family visits to keep up with the newer articles on the subject. I can only imagine what they're saying now.

catsrus Sat 23-Mar-13 19:47:03

I eat what I like on non fast days and still lose weight - but what I like to eat has shifted. I have eaten biscuits, cake, roast potatoes, fish and chips, crisps ...you name it. I don't eat these things every day but I do eat them.

The re-setting of the appetite is one of the interesting (and welcome) side effects of this WOE for me - which is why it's sustainable for most of us.

woahthere Sat 23-Mar-13 19:51:19

Quick question. This week struggled with doing a fast day. Did my first one on Tuesday, then Thursday, dont know why but I just felt like I really needed fuel in the morning, so I thought I'd eat until 4 and then try and fast from then until the next day. Then I figured out that normally I would not be eating from 10pm at night until 4pm the next day, then have my 500 then nothing more until next morning..so by my calculations that meant I would not be able to eat until 2 in the morning on this occasion! Thought I would give it a go but failed miserably. I had nothing to eat from 4pm Thursday until Friday morning, then had 250 calories for breakfast, then nothing until 6pm when I caved because boyfriend offered carvery dinner and I was so hungry! I feel all confused now! How shall I get back on track...dont think I can bear to fast this weekend...think it may be due to have my period...maybe.

Also, what do people think to combining 5:2 with slimming world...pointless or boost weight loss?

ErikNorseman Sat 23-Mar-13 19:51:39

BMJ I think you are a bit...confused? I don't remember all your posts of course, but I have an overwhelming impression of contradiction. Your weight is fairly low, how can you have been losing 4lb a week without fail? That's pretty impossible. And if you were losing that much on 1800 a day why don't you carry on rather than messing with your head on this woe that isn't working for you?

You've got bigger fish to fry than losing a few lbs. you need to sort out your diet and start cooking! You will never have a sustainable diet if you flip between pizza and junk/diet crap and ready meals. You need a better balance of decent food in your life to fill you up and nourish you properly.

BsshBossh Sat 23-Mar-13 19:51:58

I too eat exactly what I like catsrus but my shrinking appetite means I generally eat less of it. My tastebuds have changed too though so, for example, tonight I've craved a huge bowl of broccoli!

i totally get it spiralskies because i'm near driven to the same thing. it is driving me nuts and at least every few days i wonder whether to just stop posting on here or say what i think - thing is i don't think saying what you think matters at all because there's no empathy/consideration/whatever it is that makes you give a toss about others going on there.

and breathe.

BsshBossh Sat 23-Mar-13 20:04:03

SAF exactly. It's frustrating. But ignore! Your experiences are too valuable for the rest of us posters. Please keep posting (but ignore certain posts - you'd do that with RL irritants people wouldn't you).

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 20:06:21

BMJ are you suggesting that everything we read in the media... isn't true?!

I'm suggesting that the media are being irresponsible with their framing of 5:2.

I'm also embarrassed, angry, and upset that I was taken in by it. blush sad

With all the fuss over 5:2 I thought: "It can't possibly just be another way of reaching a calorie deficit. That would make it just a bog-standard diet. Nothing special. Perhaps you really can eat what you like, and that is why this diet is so popular. I'll give it a whirl".

So I bought into the whole 'fast for 2 days, gorge for 5', and it was all bullshit.

no because real life ones wouldn't keep turning up in the room and coming out with bs and negativity and demanding attention and magic wand solutions to their very obvious solution self created problems!

it's like an endless circle.

i went from tabloid journalist to eating disordered to just plain disordered to is this deliberate to i don't care anymore i just want it to stop.

i am a bad person no doubt but blimey!

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 20:07:41

how can you have been losing 4lb a week without fail? That's pretty impossible.

When I stick to 1800 on non-fast days I loose 4lbs. But some weeks I haven't stuck to 1800 so haven't lost the 4lbs. Does that clear it up?

MintyyAeroEgg Sat 23-Mar-13 20:08:08

I have stopped posting on this thread because of one particular poster. Just thought I'd say.

yep ok then bmj it's total bullshit so you obviously won't want to do it anymore or post on a support thread for those doing it. simples right?

I'm sorry BMJ but I think a lot of people can eat what they like on this diet as they don't have massively disordered eating.

You DO have massively disordered eating - as a quick guesstimate that list you produced of what you WANT to eat is about 5000 calories.

The vast majority of the population don't want to eat that.

If you want this to work for you, you're going to have to tweak it to fit you.

You can't just eat what you like because frankly that list you provided would make anyone apart from an athlete, fat.

MintyyAeroEgg Sat 23-Mar-13 20:12:18

As I said to you on the thread you started about your "friend" who was thinking of trying 5:2, nowhere does anyone say you should gorge on non-fast days. Iirc I told you not to be so fucking stupid. I would say the same now.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 23-Mar-13 20:14:13

Okay I won't post, I'll just lurk. Sorry. I didn't mean to spoil the thread for everyone sad

well it's not rocket science bmj is it? people are on a SUPPORT thread for a voluntary way of eating that is working for many of them. clearly constantly coming on going this is shit, this doesn't work, what a con, blah blah blah is not great social skills.

I'm loving this WOL in general and finding the fasting days still easy - and I'm very happy with my 12 pound weight loss in 7 weeks.

However, as I posted earlier I am struggling with my TDEE on eating days because I've gone off winter veg - winter is too long for me now and I need the weather to change to stop me eating so much sugary and unsatisfying food.

and i repeat everyone who writes about this woe points out again and again it is NOT suitable for people with eating disorders - full stop.

winter is way too blumming long lauriefairycake.

i too have lost between 12 and 13lbs in 7 weeks which i'm pleased with because it's been easy to do and only one of the benefits i've seen from eating like this.

likewise what i want to eat on most of my non fast days has changed. i've had the odd day of eating 'crap' but it has mostly made me feel like crap quite rapidly which has put me off and/or i find i can't eat the quantity of it i used to.

HopAndEggRoll Sat 23-Mar-13 20:22:32

Right I'm tentatively joining this thread as I'm starting 5:2 on Monday. My fast days will be tue and thu. Just calculated my BMR (1576) and TDEE (2167). No clue what to do with that information mind!

I have menu planned for the next 4 weeks and have also bought a box of miso soup for the days I'm really struggling with fasting. I'm currently 12.2 and want to be 9.7 eventually. I want to be in the 10s at least by my birthday 1st August.

I'm rubbish at diets and have failed so many times but I really need to lose weight.

keirahmum Sat 23-Mar-13 20:23:40

please all "experienced posters" keep posting you're support & information is invaluable - thank yousmile

welcome hopandegg - i started at 12 and have the same goal weight as you ideally/eventually. august is 4 and a bit months away so i reckon being in the tens then is a realistic goal smile

BsshBossh Sat 23-Mar-13 20:25:21

Welcome Hop smile

Thanks swallowed smile

The biggest change I've noticed is that I've entirely gone off alcohol - I used to drink half to a bottle on Friday nights - I can't manage a glass now without feeling lightheaded, hungover and generally weird.

It's not changed my eating yet - it did at the beginning but the last two weeks I've eaten loads of crap - and I really am putting it down to the extra 2 weeks of winter and the fact I'm really in a grump about it. Also work has been horribly stressful - but the stress will go next week.

I've found miso soup really brilliant Hop

In fact on my 2 fast days last week I ate big pots of Provender beetroot soup for the majority of my calories - it really filled me up.

catsrus Sat 23-Mar-13 20:35:33

Welcome hop. One thing which might help is not To think in 'diet' terms - ie with the emphasis on weight loss. All the scientific evidence points towards clear health benefits from fasting. The weight loss is an added bonus - the rate of loss will depend on how many fast days you build into your week.

Whether you lose weight or not in a particular week you will still be getting health benefits - which makes it easier to keep with it while you tweak the numbers to get the weight loss you want.

I'm currently at 30lbs lost since August - today wearing my size 10 skinny jeans grin - I love this WOE!

akarucker Sat 23-Mar-13 20:40:30

Apart from the side effects we're all feeling (weight loss, more energy etc), has anyone had any tests done from the doc, like MM did, to show inner body health improvements from fasting? I'm just curious.

woahthere Sat 23-Mar-13 20:42:30

not sure if my post got a bit lost in the bmj bash! (or maybe noone has anything to say to me?!) does anyone know or have any tips? thanks.

not me aka. about a year ago i had all of my bloods done as a wellness screening for people with certain conditions. everything was good which is remarkable really. a part of me wonders whether to put it down to my having been a natural faster - never liked breakfast and mostly didn't eat till late afternoon.

Sorry woah.

I've founding fasting difficult with pmt so I don't do it in the couple of days before starting.

And I wouldn't combine any 'diet ' with this woe as personally I would then think I was on a 'diet' and in my head this isn't a diet as you only do it one day at a time.

So it might work for you - but would it be sustainable?

I frankly can't take any more 'diets'.

Talkinpeace Sat 23-Mar-13 20:49:24

Hi there woahthere I did see your post.
Yup, fasting is REALLY hard at the moment because the longer day length is telling our bodies to be out and about but the shitty weather is driving us into the warm arms of cheese and biscuits.
THe only thing I'm finding working is to ensure I have one of my soup tubs for supper two nights a week - and try to do a 23 hour fast twice a week
and hope that the weather turns nice eventually so I can get some more exercise.

woahthere Sat 23-Mar-13 20:54:32

thats a good plan to plan not to do it the days leading up to period...makes sense. I usually am so busy and out and about walking every day, but the past few weeks Ive been a bit stuck for one reason and another...ill kids etc, and this weather is completely loony. I suppose I'll just start again next week. I think I need to plan my days better, like you making soups and things.

catsrus Sat 23-Mar-13 20:54:48

Hi woahthere

My tip is keep it simple - don't try complex timings. A day is the the period of time between getting up and going to bed. On fast days have 500 cals in that period. If you go over don't worry. 500 is not a magic number it's just a sensible number to aim for.

Don't combine this with SW or anything else - just eat real food. Forget diet foods and spending extra money.

This is a very simple WOE at its very heart. You will want to tweak it further once you get used to it - I think we all do - but start out simple!

mummytowillow, I’ve been doing ADF or 4:3 for over 6 months now and have lost around 22 lbs. That may seem slow but I’m finding this WoL so easy to stick to that I’m quite happy now for the weight to come off as it comes off now. You really can eat normally. I didn’t monitor intake on non-fast days at all for the first six months: couldn’t I was in China eating Chinese takeaway twice a day every single non-fast day (that’s proper Chinese fare though, I’m not advocating living off the food in your local takeaway by any means!) and lost weight just fine. I’m monitoring my non-fast day intake on non-fast days for a couple of weeks at the moment to make sure I know what a ‘normal’ amount of UK food for my body is because I put on weight in the last two weeks (only been back in Blighty for 3 weeks) which I think is mainly down to spending the fortnight face down in a tin of celebrations (though TOTM arrived today so that may explain both choccy need and weight gain). Ooh, that was rather ramble, sorry. Aim to eat ‘normally’ (that is to say as much as your body needs to maintain its weight, not diet portions and not gorging) on non-fast days, the weight loss comes from the calorie deficit caused by the fast days.

Mintyy, swallowed, spiral, and others, don’t go, please keep posting. I’m preferring to ignore the silly posts and look forward to reading the posts from people like you.

New starters: please do have a look at the links and tips thread. I had a go at a quick start guide a few threads back and some found it helpful so Laska posted it on the tips thread on 25 Feb so do have a read.

woahthere, sometimes fast days go wrong. Don’t worry, if it’s too complicated to salvage just chalk it up to experience and have another go on your next planned fast day and… bingo! Back on track already. smile

sausages51 Sat 23-Mar-13 20:57:53

itslife so agree.......get with it. If one is against it-stop doing it. And leave those who wish to pursue this woe to get on with it,with funny,real,supportive posts. Last thing folks need is negativity.

I'm not making soup wink

I'm buying soup. I think people who manage to cook meals for themselves or family on fast days are heroes - me, I avoid the kitchen and cooking as much as possible and use my energy in other areas.

I even get dh and dd to make their own dinner when I'm fasting.

I genuinely think the main reason I find fasting easy is because I avoid food. I even start eating as late in the day as I can bear because if I eat breakfast or at lunch then it kicks my hunger in.

Breadandwine Sat 23-Mar-13 21:03:24

Big [hugs] to all the supportive posters on these threads! So nice to see new people come on and just keep the whole friendly ethos going.

I check out the thread every morning with a big smile on my face, reading all the inspirational stories of the way this WOL is affecting people. Long may it continue.

For anyone just joining or thinking of joining, I just thought I'd say you don't have to commit yourself holus bolus to the full on 24 hour fasts//<500 calories straight away - ease yourself into it if that's what you feel like, take it gently.

I say this because I started, over a year ago now, on 1200 calories two days a week. I just thought <600 calories was too extreme. Not until the Horizon programme in August did I go down to <600.

And I lost weight right from the beginning, even on that mild version of IF. In fact, I lost weight without even trying!

Neither did I go straight to 24 hour fasts. Not until I'd been IFing for about 8 months did I say to myself on a fast day, "I won't eat until I feel hungry." And I never did! I only eat dinner on a fasting day to keep my wife company. One of these days I'll really fast until I feel hunger - but not yet.

Anyway, best wishes to you all - eventually you'll all find yourselves joining us on the maintaining thread, I'm sure of that!

Bssh about broccoli - I sometimes use it instead of a baked potato along with some chilli non carne, or a veg curry. You can have 200g of broccoli for fewer calories than 100g baked potato!

Itslifejimbutnotasweknowit Sat 23-Mar-13 21:07:52

Hi woathere, I've come to this WOE after a life time of diets. My weight has increased lately and I do desire to loose a bit but thats not why I'm making fasting my choice. I'm doing it for the long term health benefits, the wieght loss is a beneficial side effect.

Slimming world works on the Low Gi (glycaemic index) principle, I would recommend you read up on Gi since eathing low Gi foods will help to both loose and maintain weight loss, they also help to maintain your energy balance and sustain you throughout the day (stop you feeling hungry). You do need to be balanced so some medium and high Gi wont hurt.

HopAndEggRoll Sat 23-Mar-13 21:10:38

Thanks for the welcome. I have friends who are doing herbalife and have lost loads of weight. I don't know how they do it, I need real food which is why I want to try this. 5 "normal" days and 2 fast sounds wonderful. I have a really bad relationship with chocolate though so will have to keep myself in check with that.

swallowed how are you doing so far?

Thanks for the replies.

Just worked out my TDDE and its 1900. So if I'm correct I can eat normal, healthy food upto 1900 calories a day. Keeping to 500 on fast days.

Sounds a lot but good to me wink

LaurieFairyCake, I’m buying soup too! Nice tins of ready prepared chunky veg soup. grin I tend to avoid spending time with ingredients on a fast day until the point they go in my mouth. grin

MintyyAeroEgg Sat 23-Mar-13 21:22:03

I hope no one minds me posting occasionally, even though I am not losing weight on this woe. I am still determined to keep going with 5:2 in order to support dh (who has lost lots in 6 months) and for the other health benefits.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 23-Mar-13 21:24:32

Laurie I feel the same! I tend to time my fast days so there are leftovers for DS, or he gets something from the freezer (chicken, peas, some shape of potato). DH fasts the same days I do, generally, which makes it easy for both of us. I often have a Covent Garden soup or a Innocent veg pot (I swear, I'm not a shill for these companies but if they're out there and want to send me a free case... wink). When the weather is better, I like to make a big salad with ham, mustard, lettuce etc, I quite like those.

mummy yep you've got it. smile

Mintyy, I want to hear from you. This WoE isn't just about weight loss and for many it isn't even primarily about weight loss. This thread is for everyone following this WoE whether losing weight or not so please do keep posting. smile

My favourite soup at the moment is Yorkshire Provender beetroot, horseradish, parsnip and ginger

Spicy, tasty bastard.

I had to make cakes once on a fast day - NEVER again - I swear people next door heard my stomach growling angrily. grin

Also want to hear from you Minty

Are you not losing weight because of a stall, an illness, or because you're already perfectly lithe?

akarucker Sat 23-Mar-13 21:37:07

laurie that soup sounds delish. Is it a fresh tub or a can? Will have to try some.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 23-Mar-13 21:41:24

Spiral SaF etc, I hope you don't actually stop posting in these threads. I go through periods when I can post frequently, and some when I can only skim, but I always appreciate seeing your posts.

I, too, find this the most sustainable woe I've ever tried.

Fresh tub.

Lovely to meet loads of soup fans smile

And to meet others not hanging about their kitchens on fast days doing fancy cooking. I can barely wait for the soup to heat through by 5pm grin

keirahmum Sat 23-Mar-13 21:42:13

Im a bit of a lurker on these threads but find them v supportive- to summarise Ive been a lifelong dieter but this is a WOE for life - keep posting btw HP beans 3 for £1 at poundland - bargain smile

BetsyVanBell Sat 23-Mar-13 21:55:43

laurie I've really gone off alcohol too - wine affects me horribly. I did have a glass of beer today with dinner (home made healthy curries, yum yum) which has been fine but wine is not the same anymore and gives me terrible hangovers. Not sure how I feel about it.

Mind you, I went off cheese & butter for a few weeks at the end last year - tasted weird and didn't enjoy them but I seem to have found my taste for them again... [sigh]

I tell you what, I'm a huge soup fan but I'm getting bloody sick of it [shakes fist at winter] Would love to eat some raw, cold veg & salad now please.

Nice to see we can go back to being a lovely supportive, sharing thread now! Welcome all newcomers, please pull up a chair and share your experiences. But do read all the OP and links too.

Big hello to the occasional posters who've popped up today smile

Talkinpeace Sat 23-Mar-13 22:00:36

I am SO impressed that you are sticking with it.
For those who are new to these threads, Mintyy (the other bits of her name change but that is always in there) has been in 5:2 land since last autumn.
She does everything right but does not lose weight.
Personally I find her persistence for the other health benefits inspirational.
And would love to find a medic who could work out which bit of her endocrine system is playing silly beggars.
On the other hand Mintyy the fact that your DH is losing weight will help you both stick with it for the long term and make you both healthier people .

MintyyAeroEgg Sat 23-Mar-13 22:10:39

Aww thanks Talky. Although I whinge a lot, I quite enjoy the fasting days smile. Did one today actually as I was out to lunch with friends on my usual fasting Thursday. Had Innocent Mexican veg pot for lunch and a ham salad for supper, including a cheeky hardboiled egg.

I really will get round to going to the docs for a proper investigation shortly. My GP has said she will do the full range of tests and seemed sympathetic. I am sure, in her experience, that most overweight people are losing weight on this woe.

I like to lurk on the thread.

silverbeetle Sat 23-Mar-13 22:23:59

BetsyVanBell I've also gone off alcohol, well white wine as that's all I drink. Been having 1-2 glasses at the weekend on this WOL instead of half a bottle a night which was the norm before this blush. Don't enjoy it much any more and last two times have gone to bed with a headache confused. Maybe I should try red or G & T instead or just give it up completely?

Had a mini fast today, waited until 2pm then had a nice big tuna salad for lunch, as lovely as it looked it would have been so much more enjoyable to eat if it wasn't so bloody cold. I have so many layers on, vest top, long sleeve jumper, large chunky cardi and the central heating is on!! Surprised I could get the fork to my mouth I look like the Michelin man, you should see me when I'm out walking the dog! It takes a good 10 mins to de-robe, I feel like one of those Russian dolls smile

Hopefully when spring finally arrives I can throw all the jumpers off and shout 'tadar' and unveil my new body (not all of course, don't want to be thrown off the thread)blush

Hello to all the newbies and good luck to all those fasting tomorrow.

Minty - have you posted what your eating on here before?

I love a puzzle - any chance your eating while asleep (I'm serious, there's someone I know who does this) ?

HollyuponPoppy Sat 23-Mar-13 23:03:52

Hi all, I just registered specifically to post on this thread. I've read all the threads-all 16!-and have so enjoyed all I've learned and the amazing camaraderie here. And the incredible patience!

Anyway, I started 5:2 at the end of January, and have lost about a stone. I probably don't need to lose much more, but will continue using my new WOE now, as I seem to have completely retrained my eating habits. My DH started 2 weeks after me and has lost the same amount as me. A couple of other friends have also started, and the DH has lost 11lbs. I have experienced dehydration headaches to start, solved by er, drinking more water, a little light headedness which passes if I stay hydrated, cold on fast days, alcohol makes me feel strange very quickly, I now only eat when I'm hungry and I'm no longer the biggest supporter of the cheese industry.

I endure daily confused ribbing about my "broth days" from my fabulous coworkers as a side benefit! If any of them are lurking they now know who I am...
So thanks all- you are a great group!

virginposter Sat 23-Mar-13 23:51:16

spiral,minty,saf and anyone else who has been put off posting, please don't stop posting on here, your input is very valuable and greatly appreciated by the majority who come here. We don't know eveything about this woe yet and so it's good to have so many contributors with questions and answers.
I personally know 10 people doing this woe but suspect that there may be more.
I've been here from the beginning (although I didn't post at first) and it's been interesting to go from 'newbie' to 'oldie' whilst losing 21lbs through trial and error along with many of you. Now, (even though I'm so close to target) I like to lurk a lot and let the 'second' wave take over but I still follow every day and am always surprised when someone puts new knowledge on here for me to soak up. Thanks again to everyone.

Without all your inputs I wouldn't be in this very very happy place, slim, healthy and yes I guess just a little in love with Dr MM (sigh) after all, without his programme I would still be fat and unhappy with myself grin

Nettnett Sun 24-Mar-13 01:06:23

I too, tend to lurk, rather than post, but I also follow every day, and take inspiration from all the positive and kind comments that are made.

There is a generosity of spirit here that is quite heartwarming

Like BreadandWine, I use broccoli as a base for the chicken vindaloo curry(suggested by someone many threads ago) that I have on fast days, a huge plateful, with a serving spoonful of the curry(250 cals) really does make me feel that I have had a 'proper' meal.

Breadandwine Sun 24-Mar-13 01:31:35

Welcome Holly - nice weight losses you're reporting there. We love to read about those!

The thread seems to have got back on an even keel, which is good to see.

Minty have you had your thyroid checked? Probably a stupid question, but there's a thread on The Fast Diet about thyroid problems preventing weight loss.

Just been watching 'Why are thin people not fat?' Horizon programme from 2008:


There's a theory on there that obesity could be caused by a virus! Not so sure about that!

morning. thanks for kind words and sorry for getting a bit blunt yesterday.

have bounced up to 11.3.4 today but i really did eat lots of rubbish late at night and haven't erm gotten rid of any of it yet shall we say so i was expecting that. we had a takeaway and then i ate ice cream. revisiting old habits. it actually wasn't enjoyable so hopefully easy to avoid next weekend.

half wishing it was monday so i could do a fast day - not sure i'd manage it on a sunday as we usually have late lunch with family. will ponder.

might have a gander at that video b&w

HotPanda Sun 24-Mar-13 07:39:34

Fast day for me today.
I had dinner at friends last night with a fair bit of wine. Cotton wool mouth this morning and a massive headache. Lots of water already today, I know I need to rehydrate.

From being bunged up earlier in the week I now am experiencing the opposite end. I'm sure your all pleased to know that!

akarucker Sun 24-Mar-13 07:50:43

Urgh, totally disgusted with myself this morning. Had a huge eating day yesterday-well, well, over my TDEE. Although my appetite hasn't seemed to have adjusted yet, I have to say that I am feeling the effects of eating rubbish quite a bit, which is good.

The scales of course show a bounce back up again, but I expected that. I'm on ADF though so back on a fast to recover today. I'm looking forward to being able to control my eating days a bit better, but I'm not there yet. I've had years of overrating, so I know it's going to take more than a few weeks to readjust.

One day I'll move to 5:2, but I'm not ready yet. So far ADF is working well for me, and I'm actually quite pleased that I'm feeling this sort of food hangover this morning. I feel it's a good sign.

Itslifejimbutnotasweknowit Sun 24-Mar-13 07:51:39

Interesting reading about your experiences with alcohol. I learned the reason why you need less for the same effect shall we say, a long time ago.

As you all know, the body reduces the food we eat into glucose and then the liver converts this into glycogen which is stored in the liver and muscles, excess of which is then converted into fat.

When you loose weight, by what ever means, your stores of glycogen become depleted, especially in the liver. Alcohol (or ethanol) has an extremely fast uptake in the metabolism and without the presence of glycogen to slow it down, does go straight to the brain. So quick effect for less alcohol!

I too have discovered the benefits of nice warm soup for lunch on a fast day. Have been on 5:2 for Since beginning of Jan and initially did not loose anything. Then began to loose 0.2 of a lb a week. Recently that shot up to 2lbs a week and while I've been on holiday have been doing a 4:3 and lost another 2lbs. I'm one of those who doesn't loose dramatically at the start of a diet, its like my body wants to wait and see before letting it go.

BetsyVanBell Sun 24-Mar-13 07:55:42

I have also overdone it this weekend, like SaF said some old habits revisited and not enjoyed. Perhaps we have to endure the odd day like that just to make sure we are committed to this WoE? I've woken up feeling very stodgy and lethargic, a way of not really felt for weeks (barring the old cold). I'm not weighing in, I already know what I need to do!

There's a chicken in the fridge so I'll cook a heathy Sunday lunch (steam-roast the chicken in a pool of stock/wine, lots of veg), and if I make the main meal early enough then I get a good start for a nice long fast for tomorrow's fast day! An easy 24hours of no food.

I think I'm about 10 weeks into this WoE - I've never done any 'formal' diets before but I know from my food diary that when I've been actively trying to lose weight I can only manage a couple of weeks or so at a time of calorie restriction and that it was only too easy to let the eating increase gradually until I was firmly entrenched in snacking and larger portions again. Fasting still resets my appetite each week and keeps my portion sizes sensible - and presumably my stomach stays nice and small!

Another thought (sorry, mammoth post!), some people have mentioned worrying about eating oddly in front of their kids - I've been pretty up front about what I'm doing and why it's beneficial and demonstrating positive healthy eating - my fast day meals are some of my best as I aim to make them as nutrient dense as possible. And obviously making the point about it not being suitable for growing bodies. Having said that, the kids usually eat a plainer version of what we have anyway so they're used to seeing us eat differently to them! (Yes I've fallen into that trap [grateful this is not a judgemental MN thread face])

melbie Sun 24-Mar-13 08:01:50

Just checking in. Have been reading this thread for inspiration as everyone is doing impressively well! It is nice to know it should be worth it. Today is the end of my first day fasting and I am starving but I am sure it is just the usual first day of a diet stuff. I also went for a swim for the first time in ages so I think that probably made me a bit more peckish

I only managed until 3pm until I ate and now have had all my calories and it is only 1830 here so I may need an early night blush I have just had meal replacement sachets so I did not have to calorie count but I am wondering if I would be better having a big salad or soup on my next fast day. I was hoping the carb free thing would make it easier but there are some fab meal ideas on here so I might try them

I think I will have a cup of tea for now and am just hoping the next one is easier. I am on night shift though so will be a challenge.

Thanks for being here!

BetsyVanBell Sun 24-Mar-13 08:02:09

ItslifeJim what you say about alcohol is true but I used to be thinner and drink far more - it's not a feeling of getting drunk quicker but that the wine doesn't even taste nice anymore and making me feel hungover instantly. My brain is slow to catch up with this and is still telling me to have a glass or 2 even though I don't want it! I might have a look on the other forum later and see if they've got any further info on it. I'm intrigued!

ErikNorseman Sun 24-Mar-13 08:07:52

Melbie, meal replacements really aren't good. Do try to plan a good, low carb, high protein and veg meal for fast days, it will fill you up so much more.

I too overate yesterday but I'm not beating myself up, I enjoyed myself! I also discovered that Camembert is delicious!

Itslifejimbutnotasweknowit Sun 24-Mar-13 08:23:17

I've spent my life not eating breakfast and being a stick insect. I learned to eat breakfast and in recent years put weight on. Now I teaching myself to go without breakfast again - lets hope that as part of this WoE I now stay slim (don't want to be a stick insect again though).

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sun 24-Mar-13 08:24:20

Morning all! Not been on here for over a week for one reason or another. Had hospital check on Wednesday where specialist informed me my results were 'way better than last time'! grin but foolishly I forgot to ask for old & new results to compare!

For people who can't be bothered to read all the threads or who have a life I've been on this WOE since August & have lost 3&half stone. My BMI was 36 & is now 27.3 a significant improvement.

I have to say I had got a bit fed up with some of the negativity about this WOE from some posters (felt a bit suspect to me) but glad that is all sorted now. & I know several people on this WOE.

Thanks greeneggs for thread

no judgment from me bvb - ds will not eat anything complex - i couldn't say make a sausage pasta bake. i'd have to cook the sausages and whatever veg i was doing and the pasta and serve his all up separately on a plate hmm if i served him the same ingredients but mixed together with a sauce he'd be like errrr i don't like it.

he also doesn't eat potatoes really which rules out a lot of meal options (i'm not a fan either so no great loss). at least once a week he has spaghetti with scrambled egg and veg which he loves and tbf is a nutritional balance - just one that no one else would eat. so def no judgment from me. i get in a balance of iron, protein and carbs and nutrients any way i can - and tbh what does it really matter so long as those nutrients get in there?

sorry bit off topic!

'food hangover' really rings bells for me. either i didn't used to feel crap from eating crap or i was so used to it i didn't notice. i now do notice.

BetsyVanBell Sun 24-Mar-13 08:41:19

SaF yes that sounds very familiar!

BetsyVanBell Sun 24-Mar-13 08:43:48

Aftereights - brilliant news grin

melbie Sun 24-Mar-13 09:00:49

Aftereights wow!

I shall go in hunt of lettuce and other yummy salad things for my next fast day. Have also rediscovered stock in hot water as a sort of cup a soup- very filling! I have had that before on diets as a crisis solver and it has taken away the hunger pangs enough to get me through the evening I think

SpiralSkies Sun 24-Mar-13 09:21:35

I'm fascinated by the people who have gone off alcohol - I wish the same would happen for me! I've definitely cut down my weekly consumption but can still easily drink a bottle of wine on a weekend evening. I do love a good glass of wine or three! But... I've noticed that I never, ever get hangovers anymore. I suspect my body is now simply working more efficiently.

Minty I'm another one who really doesn't lose much weight. But, strangely, I have twiddled about with things (again) (lowering weekday intake and going over TDEE at weekends) (yes, wine blush) and have somehow dropped 7lb in 3 weeks.

To people just starting out on this, wahooo! You are doing something brilliant for yourself! I think, in a holistic sense, this way of eating is all about listening to your body and being kind to yourself. PMS making it impossible? Fine, just have a few extra calories. I've certainly been going over the 500 cal allowance on fast days - although I do fast for a good 20 hours before eating my cals so as to reap maximum health rewards. These long, cold days and, as someone else has said, being simply sick of winter veg, are playing havoc with us!

Bramblesinafield Sun 24-Mar-13 09:23:35

Well done after eights!

I'm back on track after a week away. My weight went up slightly, but its back to the lowest point and I hope that after a couple more fast days that it will be continuing on the downwards trend.

Dh actually noticed the difference yesterday which kept me going when fasting on such a cold day. Actually, hogging a log fire is a great way to stay warm!

Next one tomorrow.

Bramblesinafield Sun 24-Mar-13 09:25:39

Keep going minty! Will be interested to hear what your gp says.

Also a soup fan. If I have soup on non fast days it helps - bread, I've discovered, really bloats me. My dh is coeliac, so eating fairly gluten free is not a problem in this household.

mummyof2girlsx Sun 24-Mar-13 09:44:05

Morning everyone, I have been a long time lurker and have stating posting occasionally over the past week or so. Just to say well done and thank you for these threads as they are so informative and encouraging!

I am going to revert back to just lurking rather than posting though as no-one seems to reply to my posts lol! blush

Good luck to everyone fasting today grin

SpiralSkies Sun 24-Mar-13 09:46:17

Mummyof2 I'm sure your posts aren't deliberately ignored smile These threads gallop along at such a pace, it's almost impossible to keep up with it all!

Keep posting! How are you getting on?

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 24-Mar-13 10:00:53

mummy as Spiral says, these threads sometimes are moving really quickly, it just depends on what's being said, and who is around. I quite like having time to respond to most people, but with the number of new posts sometimes I just respond to one or two.

melbie I find soup good on fast days, very filling. I also loved salads on fast days but I think they require better weather than what we're having at the moment!

Welcome back aftereights, great news from the Dr. smile

mummyof2girlsx Sun 24-Mar-13 10:23:49

Thanks for your replies smile

spiral I am loving this wol! Started in November and now nearly at goal weight so hoping to maintain, I do my fast days during the week as I find it much easier to fast when I'm working and like to relax a bit at weekends wine

As I said I love these threads as I find them great for tips, recipes and they encourage me to keep going when I'm having a tough fast day smile

i'm afraid i'm pretty useless at responding to people. i come on first thing in the morning when i've missed lots of evening posts (i go to bed early) and have to just skim read and respond to whatever stood out. then after work i do the same.

i'm also very self absorbed and tend to just see the things that are relevant to me or that i can answer as i've had a similar issue or something. i also know there are others who are way better at patiently answering questions than me.

i'm afraid working, single parenting a 6yo and dealing with the mayhem of two dogs and a cat leaves me with not much attention or energy left over grin apologies if i have seemed rude.

BetsyVanBell Sun 24-Mar-13 10:31:07

Hello Mummy I had been trying to respond to everyone but have got a bit lost in the last couple of weeks. Please post up any questions again smile

Spiral Damn, wish it had happened that way for me! However, it might jus be a phase, my body does go through them and in the mean time it's no bad thing to cut it out for a while I suppose confused.

Melbie Yes, another vote for real food here! I try and make my 500 calories as nutritionally varied and dense as possible which in reality means several veg types and lean protein - usually skinless salmon fillet or big prawns or eggs (poached in soup, hard boiled or as an omelette with lean ham & lots of fresh herbs), and lots and lots of zingy flavours like lime, ginger, chilli and garlic, fresh herbs go a long way to dress up some boring steamed veg too. It's all very quick cooking too so less time in the kitchen. Or of course innocent meal pots, glorious soups etc etc for even less time in the kitchen. Oh and a can of cooked beans or chickpeas livens up a soup or stew dish whilst adding lots of goodness. Oh and veg curries too! Yet another tip if you're cooking a pasta dish for the family is to cover your plate in masses of baby spinach or other soft leaf salad and add sauce to that instead on of pasta. I find it helps to have a full plate in front of me - helps satiate my brain as well as my stomach!

BetsyVanBell Sun 24-Mar-13 10:33:27

mummyof2 crumbs, I hope that didn't come across as patronising! You've been doing then far longer than me blush

mummyof2girlsx Sun 24-Mar-13 10:38:19

saf no you haven't seemed rude at all, I see how fast these threads move and posts are easily missed. I know what you mean, I have a 6yo and a 4yo and I work and dh works away so life is pretty hectic!

Any ideas of fast day meals to take into work would be appreciated, I usually have soup but looking for some new ideas.

mollysfolly Sun 24-Mar-13 10:51:50

G'day everyone! Remember me? Returned from fabulous holiday in NZ over a week ago and it's taken me till now and being snowed in for 3 days to catch up 5 threads! Firstly, lucky kiwigirl and wildwater to live in such a wonderful country envy

5:2-wise, put on 4lbs in the 6 weeks we were away (good) and another 3 the week we got back (bad), so back to fasting Mondays and Thursdays - quite a relief actually to get back to normality!

B&W frenchfancy talkinpeace good to see you're still around and dispensing good advice. Are you still around laska ? Actually I'm a bit sorry blackmaryjanes has dropped out - she made me laugh!

Such a lot of new people - good luck with the Fast Diet - it works!! smile

Morning all!

Didn't think I had a food hangover until I read today's messages. A gym visit yesterday and having taken a bulge out of the ironing pile meant I had loads of calories going spare, so when DD wanted chip shop chips I joined her! Egg and chips for us (a large portion between all three of us and there were plenty to go round) and this morning I struggled to wake up even at 8.30, feeling quite thick headed. I don't drink at all so definitely not that, but maybe it was the chips that did it!

Still under 60kg and fasting tomorrow so hoping for a new low on Tuesday.

DP has come to the end of his first week on 5:2 after 6 weeks of relentless exercising and calorie restriction while away in Oz, he cannot get to grips with eating 2200 calories 5 days a week because he feels guilty!! I keep telling him it's the weekly deficit that matters but it's not sinking in yet. He is terrified of undoing all that he has achieved (2st lost and back to the weight he hasn't seen for 20 years!). Any tips for brainwashing him welcome! grin

mummyof2girlsx Sun 24-Mar-13 11:14:06

BetsyVanBell not at all patronising, I have been doing this a while but I'm by no means an expert!
My problem is that I am not a great cook so I am finding my fast days consist of soup, soup and more soup!

I'm not a great cook either. How about throwing some prawns into half a bag of prepared stir fry veg and adding soy sauce? I do this with quorn pieces as I'm vegetarian.

mummyof2girlsx Sun 24-Mar-13 11:43:10

Thanks postmanpatscat I will try that, sounds lovely, and a nice change from soup grin

I can relate to the food hangover, last weekend went out for a meal with DH to celebrate our wedding anniversary and ate 3 courses, plus wine...followed by more wine! Felt uncomfortably full and a tummy ache the next morning too!

VivaLeBeaver Sun 24-Mar-13 11:55:05

I'm finally taking the plunge and have started this today, so first fast day.

I had a cup of black tea with sweetener this morning and have just now eaten a pear as I was starving. Don't think I'm going to manage keeping under 500 calls for the day....that pear was probably about 60?

I'm not very organised, haven't read the book yet so will do that this afternoon. Am planning on having weetabix for lunch and then salmon with a load of veg for dinner. Haven't even worked out calories.

I'm so hungry.

Southeastdweller Sun 24-Mar-13 12:01:40

viva Were you planning on being at home all day today? What are you doing apart from reading? My advice is to get busy and maybe go out for a walk or go to the library? Maybe do some gardening too?

TheEarlyBird Sun 24-Mar-13 12:04:45

Hi Viva. I think I recognise you from the low carb thread smile . I can't possibly go for the full 36 hour fast but I am going from 6.15pm - 6.15, so 24 hours instead, twice a week and am continuing to low carb the other 5 days. Early signs are good so it might work for you too! On my fast days I am only eating low carb/low cal food so this week I had a monster bowl of homemade veg soup and an egg. I will know better how well it works when I've done a weigh in on Wednesday but am about 3lbs down already so very pleased (and it's not been too much of a struggle ........)

ELR Sun 24-Mar-13 12:13:14

Hi everyone can't believe the new thread is on page 7 already! I'm still reading I'm on pg5!

Was my birthday yesterday so have eaten and drank loads and looking forward to fasting tomorrow.

I love this reading everyone's posts and find them really inspiring.

I think it's best to avoid responding to negative posts/posters as it only fuels their negative comments giving them a chance to continue.

B&W enjoyed the link about ageing, thanks. Def agree with the low gi way of eating.

I noticed quite a few people are 5ft4 and so am I my frame is medium.
My starting weight was 10st13.5(christmas weight)and am now down to 10st8, hoping to get to 9st5 however I have never been that low and have a classic hourglass bodyshape so look good at 10st10 which I have been give or take a few lbs for last 10 years or so.
Lowest I have been is 9st12 after a bout of food poisoning in India but lowest I have achieved normally is 10st1.5.

This is by far the easiest diet I have done I always follow a low Gi diet on both non fasting and fasting days.

Anyway enough of my waffling! Hope everyone enjoys the rest of their weekend.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 24-Mar-13 12:15:49

southeastdweller. Ill take the dog for a long walk this afternoon so that will keep me busy and burn a few calories.

theearlybird. I haven't low carbed for years, don't remember going on the low carb thread but its possible from years ago. In fact most of my current diet is carbs, carbs, carbs. I did post a few months back saying I needed to cut down on carbs but then never did anything about it. blush. Well done on your 3lb weight loss.

TheEarlyBird Sun 24-Mar-13 12:31:13

Viva you must be a S&B poster then, my other habitat blush. Sorry .......

Iwearblack Sun 24-Mar-13 12:39:54

Not posted recently as don't have much to add! Still a devotee of 5:2 (over 6 months now) and like others have said I feel my tastes have changed. Have a thing for mackerel now (never liked it before) and I just can't eat as much as I used to so portion control in check. Still eating biscuits , takeaways, crisps etc just not as often or as much. People at work are amazed as they have only known me as being a bit overweight ....

My profile has a graph showing weightloss for any newbies - lots of plateaus but a downward trend. Had a sneaky WI yesterday and may have broken the 11 stone barrier but not official until Tuesday!

Don't know whether this is connected with this WOE but my premenstrual symptoms of sore boobs and stomach ache have disappeared these last 4 months - the only way I know my period is due is when it starts! (should pay more attention to the calendar as they are very regular).

Fasting was ok at the beginning but it was tough. Now it is much easier and just feels 'normal'. The recipe link is very useful - thanks for all who have posted here.

Any lurkers thinking about taking the plunge - go for it! It's not bonkers; it's brill!

VivaLeBeaver Sun 24-Mar-13 12:40:05

I do go into s&b a bit. One reason I need to lose weight as I'm creeping into a size 18 which making clothes shopping hard!

Southeastdweller Sun 24-Mar-13 12:44:22

viva I'm also a carb fiend and if it's any comfort then I'd like you to know that I've lost 7lbs in eight weeks doing this.

Good luck today and everyone else fasting. Let us know how you get on.

tomorrowweeat Sun 24-Mar-13 13:02:22

Am really struggling with "normal" eating. I am fine on fast days but years of dieting have left me with no idea of how to eat on a normal day. Does anyone know of any links/suggestions to a weekly healthyish meal planner?

Iwearblack TOTM started suddenly for me this morning, hadn't noticed it approaching at all! Hoping I'm having a pre-menstrual gain too so I can have a good number on the scales after fasting tomorrow!

silverbeetle Sun 24-Mar-13 13:45:09

tomorrowweeat what exactly are you struggling with, is it portion size or types of food?

One thing I have found really helps is to eat whatever you like for breakfast, lunch and dinner but absolutely no snacking in between, not even the odd oven chip left over from the kids dinner, or a bit of broken biscuit left in the tin.

I always have a low cal pudding as well, usually low fat greek yogurt and a piece of fruit, or a sugar free jelly with a couple of dessert spoons of greek yogurt on top (makes me think I'm eating trifle). This seems to satisfy any sweet cravings and makes me feel nice and full.

i am going to pay for this weekend. my excuses are SNOW, snow and more snow. bored of winter now. stuck in house bored and doing chores is leading to wine and wine is leading to eating etc.

someone please remind me that winter cannot last forever?

ELR Sun 24-Mar-13 15:29:28

Winter can not last forever!

Talkinpeace Sun 24-Mar-13 16:41:23

Greetings all.
For those feeling that their posts can get ignored, this thread is running at nearly 100 posts a day - I can skim and pick up on a few points but I'd be here all day replying to all.

fasting foods for in the office
To be honest, my solution is to do a proper fast when I'm desk bound.
Mug after mug of tea but no food and than LASHINGS of soup when I get home.
That way its quite easy to hit the 24 hour gaps, the regular fluids stop your tummy rumbling - and the long 24 hour fasts even for me (low BMI) result in 1-2 lb weight loss at a time !

Holey moley fanoley. Well done.
Yup, Laska is still around, but not often - she pops up on the Maintaining thread sometimes. She'll be back more after Easter.

back to the painful children's eating habits - tonight i fancy making fried rice. so i have the rice cooker on and baby sweetcorn and mange tout on the steamer layer above the rice. i will then give ds rice, veg and a pan scrambled egg. then i will use that pan to make myself fried egg and vegetable rice with added thai chilli oil and soy sauce. i'll then sit down at the table with him to eat and will still finish before him he's so slow.

haven't had fried rice in ages and really fancy it.

i am going to really need my fasts this week.

Dotty342kids Sun 24-Mar-13 17:45:54

Blimey, it's been busy since I logged in last, yesterday lunchtime grin!
Anyway, hello to all new people, I can't namecheck you all as there seems to be lots of you de-lurking / joining but it's great to hear about such a breadth of experience, losses and ideas.

We had friends over for dinner last night so ate and drank way too much. Decided to fast today as a recover so have just eaten Sunday dinner of roast chicken (just some breast, no skin), two roast potatoes and an absolute mountain of vegetables. I know that comes in at just around 550 cals but goodness, I feel stuffed to the brim! I should have stopped and left some on the plate but old habits die hard.

After seeing 11st 1 last week on post fast day weigh ins my body seems determind to return up to 11st 3 every other day, which is where I've been for about three weeks now. It's frustrating as that puts my total loss at approx 7lbs in 7wks - or 5lbs if you take my higher reading as the normal one.
I'd like to get it all going down again so this week am fasting today, Tues and Thurs. And maybe again Sat as straight after Easter I'm going away with my mum and the kids for a few days and just won't be able to do any fast days. So, I want to see some loss before we go!

Good luck to all the usual Monday fasters. I'm normally one but will be in meetings tomorrow with plates of sandwiches in front of me and I am not going to kid myself that I can resist!

maza66 Sun 24-Mar-13 17:47:56

Struggling today !!! and only have a few (4) pounds to go, it sounds totally superficial but no one has noticed that I have dropped nearly 1 stone and am stupidly demoralised because of that. So this is a bit of a self indulgent moan, sorry folks
ararucker I totally agree about the taste buds wakening up again, and that is a great motivator - I am shovelling in the spices as someone posted that they are no cals earlier in this thread and am now tasting everything! Really missing bread though, mmmm baguettes especially. having a chicken casserole then off to yoga tonight. Proper fast day tomorrow though. Good luck this week folks

VivaLeBeaver Sun 24-Mar-13 17:54:58

Well I've failed today.

I've had,

Two weetabix with a splash of milk, very small splash....they were still crunchy.
A muller light yoghurt
A rice crispie square
A small fruit scone with low fat spread
Two pears
Salmon with a small bit of pesto and a load of sweetcorn.

So more like about 800-900 calories instead of 500.

frenchfancy Sun 24-Mar-13 17:55:56

maza are you still wearing the same clothes? I found people only noticed the weight loss once I bought new clothes. This is especially true if you are still wearing winter stuff.

frenchfancy Sun 24-Mar-13 17:59:26

viva not a failure just a step on the learning curve. You may find it easier if you cut out refined carbs and sugar on fast days they tend to make one hungrier. Rice crispy squares and fruit scones are best saved for non fast days. Remember you can always eat it tomorrow.

artemis17 Sun 24-Mar-13 18:03:42

SaF gotta say a big thanks for the beans and low fat philly idea thanks its delicious and that particular brand allows the whole tin!.

Also glad a few others have "helped" BMJ with reminding her of her contradicting posts wink . Looking back over the last few threads, it seems every so often she'll post to slightly antagonise or throw in some off the beaten tract comment, so facts and support is given, then she disappears again.
Anyway im sure its not the last we'll hear from her and i guess it gives us all unity while reading at home....

BsshBossh Sun 24-Mar-13 18:04:49

Please keep posting everyone, even if your posts rarely get a response - it's a very busy thread. I post, rarely make have the time to respond to others, rarely get responses to my own posts but I continue to post because I know people are reading and I like sharing my experiences of this WOE. I love reading each and every post myself.

BsshBossh Sun 24-Mar-13 18:11:26

maza66 I've lost 4 stones and there are still people I see and speak to every day who haven't said a word about my weight loss! It's not demoralising for me because it's my journey, not their's, simple as that. I figure many people don't think about weight and don't notice it in others, or they don't want to mention it to me because then it would mean they'd noticed I was once fat, or my clothes hide the loss somewhat, or they're completely immersed in their own lives to notice or, or, or... Shrug.

glad to help artemis smile -280cals for a whole can is great imo.

maza it could be the winter clothes thing. we're all bundled up these days.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 24-Mar-13 18:14:21

frenchfancy. I'm sure you're right about it been a learning curve. I was just so bloody hungry. grin

Hopefully though I will get used to eating less. If I don't I'm going to have to get a gastric band!

VivaLeBeaver Sun 24-Mar-13 18:16:14

What's the beans and Philly thing? Is it baked beans?

yes - sounds grim i know viva but i don't eat all day on a fast day but like to go to bed full and have found beans work. HP have the best calorie count.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 24-Mar-13 18:52:29

Mmmm, I can't stand baked beans but I do like Philly. Not sure about it but I can see how they'd fill you up well.

Bssh I think you might be right about people being hesitant to say they've noticed the weight loss because of not wanting to imply they'd noticed the weight gain. I think that's true in my case. I moved to this city 5 years ago and have been around the same weight the whole time I've been here but a year or two ago ballooned due to illness. I've now lost that stone and a half and am back down to what people here think is normal for me. I've had one or two people say they've noticed but I think most are avoiding saying 'you've lost weight' as that would mean implying they'd noticed the ballooning. When I got back from my 6 months on this WoE in China, one guy said "you're looking well, I mean, really well. I won't ask the obvious question." I knew he meant the 'have you lost weight?' question. Perhaps if I lose the other stone and a half I have to go to reach goal people will be more willing to admit they've noticed as then I will be slimmer than they've ever seen me rather than just back down to what I was before.

mummyof2girlsx Sun 24-Mar-13 19:49:42

saf beans are very filling, might try them for my fast day tomorrow! I too like to eat as late as possible on a fast day as I find it hard to sleep when I'm really hungry.

Today has been an eating day and I was quite sensible for most of the day and then ended it with a chinese takeaway blush......it was very tasty though wink

BsshBossh Sun 24-Mar-13 19:51:54

Ezzza the best reaction I've had (aside from my DH who is daily complementary of my body, ^love him^) is from our window cleaner. I'd not seen him for 6 months. A few weeks ago I opened the door to him and literally fell backwards off our doorstep with a big "Wow you look great!" Then apologised profusely whilst I laughed chuffed to bits! I'll never forget that grin.

BsshBossh Sun 24-Mar-13 19:52:50

he literally fell backwards, I mean! Not me.

Breadandwine Sun 24-Mar-13 19:54:30

Another unexpected benefit if this WOL - perking up the window cleaners! grin

Breadandwine Sun 24-Mar-13 19:55:16

'...of this WOL...' of course! [annoyed]

BsshBossh Sun 24-Mar-13 19:59:44

LOL BandW, I know we have a preview button but we need an edit button too!

Ha ha, like it bssh. Non-fast day here and I've eaten way too much, but it's Sunday [defiant face].

HollyuponPoppy Sun 24-Mar-13 21:23:51

I'm always interested in the patterns of weight loss that people have, and I've been tracking mine on a spreadsheet (nerd), which unfortunately DH has taken with him while he's away for a couple of weeks. We only have one laptop...any way, from memory I had a 5 lb loss the first week, then a couple weeks of just under 1 lb, then 2 lbs, then a complete stall for a couple of weeks, then another couple, and 3 down this week. The big change for me this week was that I was eating big work related lunches on the three eating week days, and then I wasn't hungry for dinner, so I found myself going for a really extended fast from 1pm Weds, through the fast day of Thursday, waiting to eat the giant lunch on Friday and then not wanting to eat again until Sat mid morning. When I ask "am I hungry?" I have to hesitate; then when I ask "what do I want?" and look in the fridge I find what I really want is a big glass of sparkly water. Having said that, I ate my body weight in snacks and drank a lot of red wine last night with the girls. And no hangover. And whoever said the taste buds are working overtime now, I find the same thing.

ellenbrody Sun 24-Mar-13 21:44:07

I have eaten WAY over my TDEE for the last 3 days! I'm out if control! I'm at my target weight and trying to maintain it now, but I just can't seem to get my head round it, I seem to have an 'all or nothing' mentality. I havnt even been hungry- I've just scoffed for the sake of it!

I'm hoping a fast tommorow will put me back on track, I have a leafy salad with ham in the fridge to take to work and an innocent pot for dinner. DH will cook for himself and the kids and I can keep out of the kitchen.

maza66 Sun 24-Mar-13 21:48:13

Probably is the winter clothes thing tbh! though usually I lose weight in the visible (and useless ) bits such as face, neck, arms etc I do go to the gym loads though and most people are super vigilant about any change there. Loads are doing this diet though and seeing steady results. Like other posters I do think the other benefits are worth it - such as my whole system speeding up (by that I mean going to the loo much more)
Still having spots though!!! sad

Sidebar Sun 24-Mar-13 22:13:41

Hi all, thanks for all the support (on the last thread). As you know, I was planning on starting tomorrow but a chronic health problem has resurfaced painfully, and I'm going to be at the hospital for tests and appts several times this week and probably next week too. I'm likely to be in severe pain for a few weeks. Then I'm on holiday for a week. So I'm going to wait until after the school hols when hopefully I'll be in better health and can do this. Just wanted to come and tell you so you didn't think I was copping out wink

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Sun 24-Mar-13 22:24:18

It never rains but it pours.

Weather is shit
Homeless in less than 3 weeks
In so much debt that can't afford a deposit for a new place
Got paid - half my usual amount
Weather means I haven't been for a run all weekend

maza66 Sun 24-Mar-13 22:32:10

bsshbossh thank you I will get a life lol. BTW your looking great, have you lost some weight? grin

Talkinpeace Sun 24-Mar-13 22:57:19

Point to ponder ...
people not commenting on weight loss
among my gym friends, several have lost weight while their marriages were breaking up. A couple of friends who noticed me shrinking asked if I was OK.

Personally I'd start the conversation
"gosh I'd love a biscuit - the lovely thing of my new way of eating is that I've lost loads of weight but still get to enjoy myself"

What on earth were you doing eating Weetabix on a fast day - starting the day with full on carbs is BOUND to make you go over 500 ....

((((Serotonin)))) Somehow it will work out OK.

sidebar, I hope you're soon recovered and it doesn't spoil your holiday.

maza my spots have cleared up (so far, 5 weeks in). I don't know whether it's the food changes or the array of skincare products in my bathroom. I bought just about everything in the Clean and Clear range and they worked wonders. I know that after spending 2 weeks in Dubai last summer my skin was clear for months, so I tell DP that I need 2 weeks in Dubai at least three times a year to keep my spots away! Trouble is, life rather gets in the way...

postmanpatseasterbunny Sun 24-Mar-13 23:25:14

Seasonal name change here - now where are those Easter bunny smilies?!

maza66 Sun 24-Mar-13 23:35:54

postmanpatscat Dubai sounds like a plan !!! can't use the clean n clear range as its too harsh. I seem to be more troubled with dryness and break outs now, although am drinking plenty all of the time. bloody hormones!
sidebar hope it all works out ok for you, not the time to be worrying about fasting though - good luck and hope you have a speedy recovery
seratonin positive vibes to you! really puts everything else into perspective. Whats a few pounds and some spots really? [hugs]

went to supermarket today to stock up on some fasting essentials and clocked the low calorie ready meals : WW and own brand, are they any good? I didn't buy as they look shockingly small (still thinking ginormous portions here) Is there any benefit to them ? and why are they so expensive? Slab of strawberry Vienetta right next to them was one quid!!! so guess what I came home with .....

maza66 Sun 24-Mar-13 23:43:33

preparing now for the next round of spots.. Oh well

postmanpatseasterbunny Mon 25-Mar-13 00:37:53

maza just eat real food! A stirfry takes only a few minutes and can really fill you up.

Minimammoth Mon 25-Mar-13 02:56:14

Marking place. Fasting tomorrow. Am awake at stupid time. Off to sleep

serotonin i'm really sorry life is so stressful right now. hope you have a plan.

maza - have you ever tried taking anti histamines for your spots? i started getting outbreaks around 30 and tried all sorts, doctor even gave me this antibiotic stuff in a pot with a roller ball on top that you applied. anyway i started taking anti histamines for sinus allergies and the spots went away. they weren't like normal spots anyway more sore and hive like. turns out it was a skin allergy. i take antihistamines every day now for both sinus and skin allergies (thinking it is dust which is pretty unavoidable) and if i run out or forget for a few days the hive/spots start to come back. may be totally irrelevant to you but if you haven't tried then do for a few weeks and see what happens. i take 10mg of loratidine after much trial and error they worked out the best for skin stuff.

wondering whether i dare brave the scales this morning after a really piggy weekend. best to know where i am i guess so i can see what impact today's fast makes.

not as bad as i thought. 11.2.8. 2lbs above last weeks lowest weigh in. i think i may need to do mon, wed and friday this week to try and get back on track and remedy this sudden desire to eat too much rubbish again. i know it's all excuses but i do think it's to do with the weather.

BetsyVanBell Mon 25-Mar-13 06:37:37

seratonin ((((hugs))))

sidebar good luck with the op and recovery.

maza Lush's Angels on Bare Skin used daily seems to intercept my usually regular zit breakouts. It's nice and gentle, lasts ages and I'm allergic to loads of skin products.

As for people not noticing weightloss try getting a new outfit and hair cut/ wear hair differently plus waiting for spring so can remove all the layers finally!

BetsyVanBell Mon 25-Mar-13 06:38:39

Sidebar - sorry not op - I mean tests and stuff. Hope you're ok x

BetsyVanBell Mon 25-Mar-13 06:41:55

SaF it is the bloody weather. How are we supposed to get our workout gear on and not eat comfort foods when we're faced with this endless winter? It amazes me we've done this well! When spring finally surfaces we're all going to want to bounce around like happy lambs and shed that layer of warming fat...

CorrieDale Mon 25-Mar-13 06:51:32

Right! I've had 2 weeks off fasting thanks to this swine of a cold. Sadly I reverted to type in the 2weeks and binged :-( Anyway, I'm back on track today. About to weigh myself so you need to cover your ears now ..,

ellenbrody Mon 25-Mar-13 07:01:33

Re: spots. I've noticed a much clearer complexion on the 10 weeks I've been doing this. Lots and lots of water and loads of veggies, particularly on fast days, but most other days too.

You always read, in magazines and whatnot, the importance of drinking lots of water, however, it's easy not to appreciate the health benefits until you actually do it. Unfortunate side effect: getting up in the night for the loo!

VivaLeBeaver Mon 25-Mar-13 07:04:03

Weetabix probably wasn't the best idea.....I just thought it was low calories so good. But I guess similar calories of protein would have filled me up for longer?

Southeastdweller Mon 25-Mar-13 07:31:13

I'm glad I'm not the only one who overindulged last week!

Doing 4:3 this week in an attempt to lose what I've probably put on.

Good luck this week everyone!

Easter coming up so any ideas to avoid over indulging on chocolate is most welcome.

akarucker Mon 25-Mar-13 07:34:40

viva the first few fasts I did I ate cereal and fruit. Oh wow was I hungry!! Yep, stay clear of those foods. Protein, veg, soups are all more filling. Also, people often find that the hunger trigger is stronger after the first bit of food, so it may help to delay your first meal on a fast day. Perhaps stretch it to late morning to start with.

Southeastdweller Mon 25-Mar-13 07:36:02

viva I usually have two boiled eggs for a weekend fast day breakfast with a little salad cream. This fills me up for a good few hours.

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Mon 25-Mar-13 07:55:19

I'm back on form again - sorry about the ranty post last night. Had a good 2.5 mile run this morning and am fasting today so I should (hopefully) get the euphoric benefits of the fast as well as the exercise endorphins smile

Thank you for all the virtual hugs - for a nest of vipers you guys are lovely xx

dottt Mon 25-Mar-13 07:58:07

May I join please? Three stone to lose always beenOW and failed
and done every other diet. Feel despondent but want to try

BetsyVanBell Mon 25-Mar-13 08:09:00

Hi dottt Come and join in smile Read the OP and follow the links for lots of hints and tips.

In a nutshell though have 2 days per week where you eat no more than 500cals from one sleep to the next (you can work your way down to this if it's too hard) and the rest of the week you eat normally. If you are unsure what 'normal' is then find out what your tdee is (link above) and work towards eating that.

Exercise really helps too! Especially on a fast day believe it or not.

Average weight loss seems to be about 1lb per week though some people lose nothing initially then 3 weeks in suddenly start, others lose loads at the beginning then slow down so don't be disheartened if you don't see the scales shift right away. Do take waist, hip, arm & thigh measurements though as you may find you get losses here more quickly than the scales!

This is better than a diet as it has loads of health benefits and you don't have to deny yourself the odd treat!

silverbeetle Mon 25-Mar-13 08:14:17

sidebar hope you feel better soon and all goes OK

Seratonin sometimes life is such a P*sser, hang in there and be strong. Sending ((HUGS))

Benn doing this WOL for 6 weeks now and feel really good despite all the other crap I have going on. Weighed myself this morning and came in at 10st 11.4lb, really pleased as that's after the weekend grin. This means I have lost 7lbs in 6 weeks. After 3 weeks of really slow loss (no change, 0.2lb off etc), 3lb actually came off this week!
One difference between this week and the previous few weeks is that I didn't count cals on non-fast days but I did reduce the amount of carbs I was eating in meals. For example one spoon of rice rather than two, but more veg/chicken curry or extra spoonful of veg - clearly for me that makes a difference.

Fasting today and hoping I can continue this downward trend, good luck everyone and stay warm - time for brew here

BetsyVanBell Mon 25-Mar-13 08:15:40

seratonin [jealous of your run face] I can't find the motivation to run in this weather sad Was going to have a Jillian workout this morning but life has put the kibosh on that. I've been thinking I really must try and motivate myself to exercise later in the day as presently if I can't work out in the morning I mentally think 'well that's that for the day then' which is silly really.

Bramblesinafield Mon 25-Mar-13 08:17:18

Morning all, newbies and lurkers too. Fasting with the Monday crowd, although major dentist appointment this afternoon so will be making sure I have something hearty before.

Stay warm, all.

silverbeetle Mon 25-Mar-13 08:19:11

Forgot to add, also measured myself:

Waist -2in
Hips -0.5in (this is my dodgy area)
Thigh R -0.5in
Thigh L -1in
Bust -1.5in (not so good, not particularly well endowed anyway)

Thank goodness for padded bras smile

BetsyVanBell Mon 25-Mar-13 08:20:49

Silverbeetle Whoop! Brilliant news, and yes to reducing carbs - think how much better for you that extra veg & lean protein is compared to the filling stodge too smile

Relieved weigh in today - maintained my weight from end of last week despite barely moving and eating lots. It's not my lowest weigh ever or anything but I'm bouncing around a lower weight than I was a week ago so I'm happy with that.

ELR Mon 25-Mar-13 08:23:17

I am officially p*'..ed off just got weighed and 2.5lbs back to 10st10 my bodies favourite weight!!

Fasting today but really don't feel like it now!! but i know that would make me even more annoyed and disappointed so I will carry on aaaarrggg!!

silverbeetle Mon 25-Mar-13 08:27:40

BetsyVB being able to maintain your weight is a real accomplishment. It's a nervy experience getting on the scales after a bit over indulgence.
I tend to hold my breath and look with one eye just in case it makes a difference grin

silverbeetle Mon 25-Mar-13 08:31:57

ELR I really empathise, that's exactly what happened to me. You will feel better after a fast and back in control. My body seemed to like 11st 1lb for ages, it was so frustrating. Don't be annoyed and have a bad day 10st 10lb is still good smile

HopAndEggRoll Mon 25-Mar-13 08:56:51

This is my first week but first fast will be tomorrow (tue and thu best days for me). My food plan for tomorrow is two boiled eggs and an apple for brunch/lunch/as late as I can leave it and ratatouille with some cous cous for dinner. How does that sound?

ELR Mon 25-Mar-13 09:30:24

beetle thanks for your comment I know you are right! I have been 10st10 for the last ten years, I go on diets ect loose a bit then seem to yo yo up and down back to 10St10lb. It's been my birthday this weekend so really have over indulged so expected it really. Just had a black coffee and now gonna tidy the house like a mad women to burn some calories!!

ELR Mon 25-Mar-13 09:33:18

hop sounds good but I would only limit cous cous to 20g dry and then try to add some butter beans or other canned beans or better still leave out the cous cous and just go with ratatouille and some canned beans.

akarucker Mon 25-Mar-13 09:38:41

* hop* I was also just about to suggest having beans instead of the cous cous. Sounds like a good plan though.

greenfig Mon 25-Mar-13 09:44:02

Wow things have moved fast since friday! Welcome to all newbies & good lucksmile Have had a happy time reading posts (in bed) as its the hols & everyone is still asleep. I will be interested to see how I find fasting with the children off school, 1st 1 today!
My good news is that the mystery 5lbs that I put on overnight this time last week has gone so I'm back down to previous low & hoping for a new low after todays fast(v excited!) Thanks to the thread for helping me keep the faith. Hope this encourages you ELRsmile
Haven't been able to Jillian as my bad chest has left me too breathless. Attempted it yestrday & after 10mins almost threw up!!
Interesting re weight/height stats I am 5.4 ish started at 10.11 pre 5:2 now 9.5 but still got a way to reduce BF%. I also don't want to lose too much more as am 41 & don't want the haggard look. Also 39" hips that will not get any smaller as that's simply the size of them!! Can def notice reduction in tummy now. The lower 'pouch' that I've had since children (oldest is 11) has goneshock

ElizaCBennett Mon 25-Mar-13 10:09:43

Morning all. I spent last week in bed with a bug. Basically didn't eat from Sunday at 6 pm till Thursday at 11 am when I had some soup. Drank plenty of water and fruit tea during the week. I lost 5 lb during the week, but this morning 3 lb back on! Now I haven't eaten much at all so am not worried but just goes to show how our body weight fluctuates and leads us to think our hard work has had no effect.

Fast day for me today so let's see what tomorrow brings!

dines Mon 25-Mar-13 10:21:36

So exercise on fast day helps.. how come on a fast day ? Can anyone explain?

sweetkitty Mon 25-Mar-13 10:21:52

Morning fellow fastens this is day 2 of fasting or me, day 1 last week was a disaster but I've planned my day, lunch is a weight watchers soup and banana, mid afternoon snack a bit of fruit, dinner will be about 350 cals. Should be slightly over but ok for first day I think. I've got a busy day ahead and painting this evening.

greenfig Mon 25-Mar-13 10:29:36

oo good some fellow fastersgrin
dines I beleive it is because the body burns fat stores rather than stored glycogen. How was the concert?

plecofjustice Mon 25-Mar-13 10:29:54

Right, first time ever doing a consecutive fast (yesterday and today), due to pre-Easter food-related committments, this was the only way I could fit my fasts in. Maybe I didn't think this through quite as well as I should have done, as also went back to hot yoga yesterday after a year's break due to injury, so feel like I sweated out more calories than I put in!

Feeling a little bit interesting now - I had something for breakfast this morning, which I don't usually do on a fast day, so not hungry, just a little bit out of it.

Looking forward to my vegan quiche tonight!!

If anyone has some encouraging words to get me through - that would be amazing!

dines Mon 25-Mar-13 10:41:35

Oh the concert was really good thanks had a brill time. Scales have gone bk up sad.. had plenty to drink and eat. Abit worried about easter aswell cus thats goin to be full of treats lol goin to try and do 4:3 this week or maybe instead of doin a full fast on the 3rd day jus go through till dinner and not limit it to 500 cals jus feeling abit bad as my feed days last week were not at 1600cals more like 2000 maybe even more..

greenfig Mon 25-Mar-13 10:48:42

Wow plec impressed if nothing else! Can't offer anything experience wise but good lucksmile If I were going to attempt it I think I'd try to use as many of my cals in protein. Hth
Don't be sad dines as everyone keeps asying this is a wol so you have to live! You just have to get back to it after 'the living'!!

ELR Mon 25-Mar-13 10:56:01

Greenfig thanks yes it does help reminds me that we can just gain and loose just as quick! Noticed you are the same height and original starting weight was similar and now you are at my ideal weight so def encouraging.

Is anyone else freezing? I am usually cold on a fasting day but really cold today, I have headache too and my throat is sore and I have a few spots...... Moan moan moan!!

I ate a slice of toast last night at about 10 so need to wait until at least 2pm to get a good 16 hour fast in, then I'm gonna have thai prawn noodle soup which I made yesterday 250 calories a little more than I usually have at lunch but will have eggs for tea to keep within the 500 calories.

ELR Mon 25-Mar-13 11:02:12

plec how do you make a vegan quiche? My mum and brother are vegan have been for the last 15 years or so but don't recall either if them having a quiche. They live up north so don't see them that often so they could be eating quiche on a regular basis and I'd b none the wiser! They are coming for Easter would be nice to make them a quiche.

plecofjustice Mon 25-Mar-13 11:12:25


www.girlmakesfood.com/vegan-quiche/ is the recipe I used. I found it makes enough for 2 quiches in my pie tins, and comes out at 364 cals each (per MFP). I made a couple of subs, I used firm tofu instead of soft, omitted the milk and replaced with water and some dairy-free cheese sauce powder for a more creamy taste. It's been a long time since I had a "real" quiche, so I've nothing to compare it to, but I really enjoyed it. I suppose if you weren't dealing with vegans, you could add an egg for extra texture, but it's not necessary.

Don't trust her timings though, mine cooked in about 1/2 an hour, so keep an eye on them when they're in the oven.

Chocupid Mon 25-Mar-13 11:45:27

pieceofjustice I did 3 fasts in a row last week totally unplanned but so fed up with the scales being stuck at 10.11, I went for it.
And tbh the longeri went the easier it was day 2 was a breeze, only on day 3 did I start to feel dizzy in the afternoon so I ate dinner earlier and went to bed!

So good luck and stick with. smile

Whitecat Mon 25-Mar-13 11:48:05

Hi everyone, I thought I would delurk too.

I've been doing 5:2 since the 7th Jan. Lack of exercise and christmas splurge meant I was 11 stone 13 when I started. I'm now 11 stone and really pleased. Overall it has been easy. Obviously when the hunger strikes and your belly is in knots it's not too pleasant but it soon dies down and you can regain control.

In the past I would have been at the gym 5 days a week and been off the pasta and bread to stay at 11 stone. This WOE is a real eye opener and in the long term I hope its going to be good for my mental health. Dementia is something I think about a lot, it seems to affect so many people and if this WOE is beneficial I'd be happy to do it forever.

greenfig Mon 25-Mar-13 11:56:28

ELR sounds like me last week-freezing cold, gained 5lbs, sore throat but also had cough coming so tight chest & dry skin not spots. Hope you feel better soon.
Welcome white cat are you fasting today?

BsshBossh Mon 25-Mar-13 11:57:42

Hello fellow fasters! Just got back from the gym and now sitting at my desk working catching up here. See you at the finish line smile

akarucker Mon 25-Mar-13 12:03:09

My Tesco, Sainsburys, Co-op & Waitrose do not sell HP beans!! I have an Asda but it's quite a drive away so just checking to see if anyone buys them there before I make the trip. Maybe they're regional??

Whitecat Mon 25-Mar-13 12:04:58

Hi greenfig yes, fasting today. I always come on here when I'm fasting, it gives me the spur to carry on.

I do Mons and Weds. Monday to rebalance the weekend excesses and Wednesday to get it over and done with quickly.

Afternoon all, I've been doing this for two weeks now and it's going well.

I last ate at 6.00 pm last night and feel fine, many thanks to the Poster who recommended Psyllium Husks.

I've got one of those Veg Pots in the fridge for later at 334 calories but I've just looked and it's got rice in it [didn't read the label clearly]. Am I okay eating carbs on a fast day?, it's ringing a bell that it's not recommended, I can't locate my book , any idea.

postmanpatseasterbunny Mon 25-Mar-13 12:24:39

whitecat you're doing great!

Another frozen faster here, but everyone else at work is complaining so I know it's not just me. I have parent consultation meetings tonight until at least 6pm, hope the sound of my tummy rumbling is not too obvious!

Whitecat Mon 25-Mar-13 12:29:19

Thanks Post - chuffed.

Sugar carbs are fine but they can make some people really hungry so they try to avoid them. If you're saving it until the end of you fast then it should be ok and tasty.

daddyorchipsdaddyorchips Mon 25-Mar-13 13:41:44

Last week was my second fast week. I hadn't weighed myself since the previous Monday when I started 5:2. So in less than 2 weeks, after 4 fast days, I had lost 7lbs shock.

Ive been very strict to keep to 500 cals on fast days and during non-fast weekdays its been about 1200-1500 cals. Weekends I do not keep count eating like a pig.

I've had a big weekend but back on a fast today and won't weigh in again until after second fast day NEXT week. I find this way of weighing in helps me from obsessively jumping on the scales every morning to see very little difference and becoming disheartened.

Miffytastic Mon 25-Mar-13 13:48:24

Reposting as I put this on the old thread in reply to BMJ

BMJ Have you lost 4lbs this week an a similar amount last week? in which case that is loads, I am only losing a pound a week probably because I am taking the 'easy' route of almost eating whatever I like in feast days. I do eat more mindfully but I am loving eating sweets, cheese,choc etc. I suppose it's horses for courses really - your are slogging but you're getting quicker results than me it seems

Breadandwine Mon 25-Mar-13 14:14:57

dines just google 'exercise while fasting' - loads out there. And our ancestors all hunted on empty stomachs, right? grin

Loving all the vegan talk on here! Like the look of the quiche, pie. I've saved that recipe, thanks. Of course I'd make the crust with a bread dough. smile

No need for any fat in the crust, see? smile

ELR I've got a vegan ratatouille pie on the 5:2 recipe thread which has been very well received. Good and hearty fare, which is what your northern rellies will appreciate!

(Not sure I've seen 'northern blokes' and 'quiche' in the same sentence, before!grin)

Loads of T&T vegan recipes on my blog.

It seems I have changed what I have for breakfast on non-fast days. I usually have a pretty nutritionally vacant breakfast like some kind of bakery item, some hobnobs, cereal or toast or something like that. Breakfast for me was always about not feeling the nausea I used to get if I didn't eat anything rather than nutrition. After successfully giving up breakfast altogether on fast days I'm now looking at whether I really need it on a non-fast day, especially as it's usually carb heavy and not very filling.

For the last week or so I seem to have changed to a breakfast of: a 5k run! If anyone told me 6 months ago I'd be running 5k instead of having breakfast I would not only have refused to believe them but would also be trying not to be rude about telling them not to be so ridiculous!

I'm actually finding that, where my carby breakfasts would make me want to pick all morning, a 5k run keeps me full up until lunchtime. I certainly seem to get more energy from them than the carby breakfast too! grin

Sundays are still for slobbing in my pjs and eating what I want though.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 25-Mar-13 14:23:30

Well, today was meant to be a fast day, but I've broken it. This is the first fast day I've broken since beginning this WOE in August. However, my mum's just left to go back to the US this morning, and combined with TOTM, I just didn't feel strong enough to finish the day. I'm a bit irritated with myself, but at the same time, I know it's not a big deal in the scheme of things to fast tomorrow instead of today.

And I miss my mummy. sad

Good luck today fasters. smile

plecofjustice Mon 25-Mar-13 14:28:25

Hi B&W

I was wondering about trying it with cornmeal instead of the tortilla - only I was feeling lazy and desperate for a quick meal after yoga yesterday.

I tried to make a rice crust a while ago and that was really nice. The problem I found was trying to properly add up the rice calories for a fast day, and having enough rice within budget to be able to make a decent crust.

The other thing I was wondering was using Cauliflower "rice" instead of rice to make the crust - that would take a good 100 or so calories off it. I'm a huge fan of cauliflower "rice", it's the best stuff ever!

plecofjustice Mon 25-Mar-13 14:33:01

B&W Brown rice crust, if you're interested


I don't like the actual quiche recipe as much as the one I posted further up, the sugar was unnecessary, IMO, but the crust was delish!

monster54 Mon 25-Mar-13 14:36:26

Hi all....

Congrats to all those reporting loses!!

I had a very relaxed weekend and ate pretty well eeeekkk....I do a Mon, Wed, full fast with a mini on Fri.

I'm hoping the weight continues to keep coming off slowly. I'm on a fast day to day and soooooo frikken cold. Managed 17 hours before having a cup of soup and a highlights.....pretty rubbish use of calories but I was TOO COLD!!!

And I'm on TOTM.....I found the weekend a bit tougher because of this. Although I know my stomach has shrunk and my appetite is far more sensible. I would almost always had portions the same size as DH but I find myself choosing to have a LOT less!!! Than I would of 4 weeks ago!!

BsshBossh Mon 25-Mar-13 14:41:05

Ezzza I'm the same. Having given up breakfast on fast days and exercising on an empty stomach, I felt such great amounts of energy that I continue to exercise fasted on "eat days" too and skip breakfast. So even after exercise on non-fast days I don't feel the need for food until 1-2-ish. It's made me quite productive on non-fast days too as I simply knuckle down to work. I wasn't able to do this early on in my 5:2 adventure, but find it easy-ish now.

The thing I've realised is that I am a late eater - preferring to save my calories for later in the day.

Works for me smile

Miffytastic Mon 25-Mar-13 14:53:27

((Hugs)) to you GreenEggs

sweetkitty Mon 25-Mar-13 15:44:15

I'm doing ok today, feeling a wee bit light headed and my stomach is complaining a lot. Tried on my dress for DD1s communion and I look pregnant in it, ok it is an 8 and I should just shut up but I'm very small boned, I have skinny little arms and legs below the knee, an ok stomach but have a huge bum and hips in comparison, makes clothes shopping a nightmare. My boobs have gone MIA since I had DC too sad

Chocupid Mon 25-Mar-13 15:47:27

I was doing so well on today's fast, till now, just ate a slice of ham and brown bread!
theres 15 of us going out for a family meal at weekend and i just had to choose my meal from the menu.. It looked soo nice it made my mouth water. Can't wait now!

Need 2 good fast days this week so I can eat without guilt at weekend.

ComeTalkToMe Mon 25-Mar-13 15:57:34

Hi all,

These threads do move fast don't they? Spent lots of time I really should have been working catching up!

I have had quite an indulgent weekend and it's great to not feel bad about it. I'm fasting today and feel good for it. I am looking forward to my soup tonight though as I'm freezing!

Minimammoth Mon 25-Mar-13 16:05:12

Having a fast day, scrambled egg, plus tiny toast, half an apple for lunch. Will have somthing more substantial for supper. Hope that scales are kind tomorrow. Had a little seesaw.

greeneggs - just be good to yourself today and don't worry about the fasting. glad you got to see your mum.

whoever asked about HP beans - i too have noticed tesco's and morrison's don't stock them - they seem to be 'owned' by heinz somehow. i buy them in my local independent shop and someone mentioned they were in poundland (i think) for 3 for a pound on the thread earlier if that helps.

fast day going ok. have just had a marmite drink so i think about 20hrs with nothing then that.

plan is to try and have nothing for a few more hours now.

keep going - not long now till food and bed.

BetsyVanBell Mon 25-Mar-13 16:10:08

chocupid ham and brown bread is not that high calorie-wise! One of my fast day lunches is a sandwich made of that ultra-thin supermarket ham, lots of spinach, tomato on small slices of low GI (ie seeded) brown bread, oh and I use plain yogurt in place of butter or mayo. Comes out at less than 200 cals and keeps me going till the evening!

BetsyVanBell Mon 25-Mar-13 16:12:45

Aww ((((greeneggs)))) be kind to yourself x

Daisy1407 Mon 25-Mar-13 16:38:37

Hi all
I havent been on all weekend i have been far too busy FILLING MY FACE! Been very Naughty - However today is a new day and im fasting today - for this evening i am going to try the Slim a pasta? Anyone tried? i Cant believe its so low calorie - im assuming its not going to be amazingly tasty - However im gonna do some bacon and lots of garlic in a tomato sauce

This should come in about 250 - this will leave me jelly, yogurt, and hot chocolate - Worth a try

Ill let you kow what its like!

Hope you have all had a lovely weekend

i weighed in this morning and lost 1lb this is only 3 lb total in about 6/7 weeks but im still pigging out on my feed days and i weigh 9stone 7 so its gonna take longer

i feel great x

virginposter Mon 25-Mar-13 16:44:12

Greeneggs I know exactly how you are feeling. In the 90's I lived in the USA for 2 years and every time we had visitors from UK it was great until it was time for them to leave. The number of times I cried at Cincinnatti airport and felt as though my heart would break are too many to count. But I survived and it was so wonderful to see them. Hope you feel better soon (hug) sad

Also, last week I had a very bad cold so abandoned my first fast and then decided to not do any at all that week - eek hadn't done that before not even at Christmas. But I felt the need to be good to myself and not push too much, so I ate what I wanted when I wanted (including my first Indian takeaway since starting this in August) and this week I am back on the wagon with no guilt only determination to be good and strong and back to dropping another couple of lbs. My first fast day tomorrow and I'm looking forwards to it smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 25-Mar-13 16:45:19

Thanks everyone thanks The house feels very empty without her here. I'm not going overboard or anything but it was nice to have a hot chocolate and feel a bit sorry for myself. Shall be back to it tomorrow.

Talkinpeace Mon 25-Mar-13 17:02:06

re Baked Beans - these are DHs and my favourite - slightly dearer but SO much nicer www.wholeearthfoods.com/products/11

((((Greeneggs)))) Maybe your Mom will take the clouds back home with her and leave us a little sunshine ...

sure they're lovely tip but too many cals.

Talkinpeace Mon 25-Mar-13 17:23:13

324 calories per tin does not sound like too much to me : with a slice of lean ham under and a scrambled egg on the side = my 500 calorie supper. DH has a hunk of bread with his tin to make 600 calories.
and they are much lower in sugar than normal beans ....

BetsyVanBell Mon 25-Mar-13 18:02:45

Oh bugger. Eaten a vast quantity of walnuts and then a large fresh baked bread roll with butter to go with my actual dinner which was some good wholesome soup.

However, did manage a 22 hour zero calorie fast prior to that. So better than nothing I suppose.

I blame this expletive weather and my 5.30 start to the day.

FastFeeder Mon 25-Mar-13 18:16:38

Agree that beans are a great fasting-day food. I've never liked canned baked beans much - but they're not at all hard to make from scratch (and that way you can control the sugar and salt content). My recipe over here makes six servings at 230 calories each.

tracedw Mon 25-Mar-13 18:21:02

Hello all, i had a great fast day today, my last food yesterday was a full Sunday roast at around 3.30ish though i did have a couple of glasses wine after....managed to hold off eating until 4.30pm and even then i only broke my fast because i couldnt bear to throw away the lovely just bought apple that i had prepared for ds3 ( the little monkey didnt touch it at all )
We have had an early dinner tonight of stir fry king prawns as DH is off to a concert tonight ( Simple Minds .....yup, they are still going/have reformed)hmm
So nicely full and have a bit of knitting lined up for later grin

Chocupid Mon 25-Mar-13 18:21:44

Thanks Betsy due my weight watcher meal of 226 cals now, so may even have more bread and still be in my 500 limit grin

Yes the Weather does affect us, just think how great we'll all be at this when the sun finally appears!
Don't worry you can go to bed again soon!

bugsyburge Mon 25-Mar-13 19:41:38

hi all, I've decided to delurk and join in shock

I've done my first 10 days of ADF and am pleased to report I have lost 4 lbs, 3/4in from my waist & 1.5ins from my hips. I only want to lose about a stone so I'm chuffed with these results. I normally follow a healthy diet but I eat HUGE portions!!! I've found ADF really works for me because beforehand I would eat the same food day in day out whereas this forces me to shake up my food intake.

fast day for me today so I had2 rice crackers with almond butter at 3pm & then I've just had prawns & broccoli with garlic and chilli, lovely smile

BsshBossh Mon 25-Mar-13 19:44:38

My fast day is coming to an end. By the time I have my 500 cal dinner (of chicken noodle soup and sourdough bread) I'll have made it to 22 hours with no food. Happy with that. This is my 17th 20+ hour fast and here are a few observations:

- I'm not hungry at all on fast days but I am head hungry - in that I miss the pleasures and rituals of preparing and eating food. It's okay as I know I won't be fasting the next day but...
- I am much more productive on fast days. Because I'm not stopping regularly to think about, fix myself and eat food I get loads of work done without interruption
- I exercise better on an empty stomach; related to this - I have lots of energy on fast days
- Though I'm still eating a bit of junk, I am eating far healthier on non-fast days than before I started IF; my appetite has reset itself to desire cleaner, whole foods
- I finally recognise physical hunger and physical fullness - something I was never able to do when I tried Paul McKenna and Intuitive Eating; I feel fuller more quickly

I'm still at the beginning of the IF journey (though only a few pounds to my goal weight) but so far? It's been fucking awesome!

ellenbrody Mon 25-Mar-13 19:50:47

You're all right - it's blardy freezing!! My poor fingers are blue! I packed ham and salad for lunch today, but it was sooo cold I craved stodge - I ate 3 rich tea biscuits angry.

With dinner and a couple of milky teas I'm at about 600. Not terrible, but not ideal.

To those of you that manage to exercise on fast days: I just can't!
Whilst not light headed, I often get wobbly legs which makes it a bit dodgy!

Madondogs Mon 25-Mar-13 20:08:24

Keep me strong fellow fasters, finding today's fast very difficult.
I have lost 14 lb since Feb 18th so overall I am pleased. Today however I am STARVING! Ate more carbs than I normally do on the weekend. I have felt really hungry all day... And have been finding the fast days easy.

I also think that the novelty of this WOE is wearing off, don't get me wrong, I think it's great and I am determined to continue, but I have a lot of weight to lose and feel a bit down about it today.

BetsyVanBell Mon 25-Mar-13 20:11:43

Well fast day has been a shambles really, all healthy enough foods but just too much off it - think I'm at 1100 calories at least (though stuffed admittedly). I will aim to get a better night's sleep, wear warmer clothes tomorrow and try again smile

I wish I fancied the all the poor salad in the fridge instead of the bread I keep inexplicably making. I have actually been pretty restrained with the homemade bread - I used to gobble down half a loaf before it had even cooled pre 5:2ing so there's definitely progress there. And I shall look forward to breaking tomorrow's fast with a ham salad sandwich lunch using 2 modest slices of said cooling bread which is tantalising my tastebuds as I type

I'm quite keen on try out this whole bread dough as pastry concept - I shall have to go browse Bread&Wine's blog for tips.

BsshBossh Mon 25-Mar-13 20:12:04

Madon could it be the relentessly freezing weather that's making it hard for you? I work from home so I whack the heating up and wear several layers; I also exercise and try and keep moving/busy which helps...

zippiedoo Mon 25-Mar-13 20:57:41

Hi all, I'm new to this...I've been following this thread for a few months now and it inspired me to start my own 5:2 diet. I've so far lost 10lbs in 6weeks, which I am super pleased about. I'm going away for a short break with the family, but I'm really nervous about eating on my fasting days (I'm going to be out of my comfort zone so to speak). Has anyone been on holidays and managed to continue with the 5:2 diet? If so, do you have any tips to share? Thanks for 'tips/advice' in advance.

ellenbrody Mon 25-Mar-13 21:02:45

Ooh, I'm watching for holiday tips too!

peplum41 Mon 25-Mar-13 21:10:36

Hi madondogs, hope you can get your enthusiasm back. I'm not the most experienced faster, been doing it about the same time as you, but I sense that there is going to be good days and bad. Euphoric yeah this rules fast days and horrid oh I'm starving / freezing days. All in though, what other diet gives you the freedom and flexibility? That's what's needed when you've a long way to go. Keep those doggies rolling, and don't forget to drink plenty and make filling food choices when you can. Can't do smilies when using phone so my posts look boring!

zippiedoo Mon 25-Mar-13 21:15:00

It's kinda stressing me out...silly really because I know this WOE is fab and it actually works, without having to worry over the traditional diet concepts of constantly counting cals and limiting self to 'specific types of food'.
Just need to know that all will be well while on hols! smile

peplum41 Mon 25-Mar-13 21:20:39

Hi zip just enjoy your short break and don't worry about it. Apparently it does your metabolism good. Going anywhere nice?

Madondogs Mon 25-Mar-13 21:26:20

Thank you fellow fasters! I think I will be ok tomorrow, hopefully this craving for carbs will disappear after today's fast ( roll on bedtime).

I am utterly determined to stick at this as I think it is a brilliant WOE.
I have already begun to change my relationship with food for the better and already feel healthier .

Thanks all, I read this thread everyday and it really helps me.

Keep strong everyone xx

Appelmoes Mon 25-Mar-13 21:31:02

I had a good fasting day. Didn't eat for 22 hours and then made baked beans with some veg and vegetarian sausages. It was nice, it fills you up.

I walked for more than an hour today and hopefully make it to the gym tomorrow morning (I might also decide to sleep more, it's hard!!!).

But today wasn't so hard for me. Feel better about all!!! Patience is probably important, everyone lost weight so so should I.

zippiedoo Mon 25-Mar-13 21:34:58

Thanks peplum41, suppose holidays are for de stressing, last thing I need is to be constantly worrying! We're taking the our son to Milton Keynes for his birthday...he's obsessed with Thomas the Tank! grin

Talkinpeace Mon 25-Mar-13 21:49:12


On fast days, or middling days, go for HUGE portions of veggie soups and stews
- hot
- filling
- healthy
Today I did a 24 hour fast and then shared with DH two pots of soup
admittedly having a small bevvie now (but I'm not losing weight)

Seriously .... avoid carbs and go for high protein, high vegetables
whole tin of Baked beans, ham and scrambled eggs = 500 calories plus warm full tummy to last through the night

yup this weather is a RIGHT DOWNER
but you can keep going ...

peplum41 Mon 25-Mar-13 21:54:54

Seezip that's the kind of thing you want to relax and enjoy. Can imagine his face when he sees those trains!! This is a great flexi fit round you and get a healthy attitude to food way of life.

Applemoes what a fasting champion

sweetkitty Mon 25-Mar-13 22:09:06

First fast day nearly over I'm starving might have a cuppa before bed.

I've had 550 cals which I'm ok about for my first day, it's DHs and I anniversary tomorrow so were having Chinese for dinner (would love a meal out but no babysitters) then fast day Weds.

Itsaboatjack Mon 25-Mar-13 22:16:15

Evening all. I've also been joining in the trend of having a blow out weekend blush

This weather is definitely making it tougher, I was just starting to get into the grove of it when we were having our brief glimpse of spring a few weeks back, and now we are plunged back into winter again it's almost doubly hard. Hopefully though if we do get a summer this yet I'll be able to wear a nice sundress without my thighs rubbing together blush

Fast day been pretty good today, though I did break it earlier than usual, I usually try to go through until dinner but I needed some hot soup about 3pm to warm me up. Another fast tomorrow where I hope to go for 24hrs, will actually be more like 26hrs as I won't get to eat until after I pick dd up from brownies.

Talkinpeace Mon 25-Mar-13 22:19:29

do not go to bed starving : have hot drink - milk or bovril or something - otherwise you'll not sleep well

scripsi Mon 25-Mar-13 22:29:40

If I can't sleep due to the hunger I have one boiled egg sweetkitty
I am wondering if anyone has noticed that they aren't doing the full TDEE on non-fast days? I just started using the MyFitnessPal app and have worked out that I am around the 800 calorie mark on non-fast days, which is a surprise.

Breadandwine Tue 26-Mar-13 03:16:29

Bssh Great post! Loved your final sentence! grin

You'll be joining us on the maintaining thread before you know it!

About eating on holidays - as others have said, you should relax and enjoy yourself. But, why not try missing the odd breakfast - or breakfast and lunch if you'd like. Then have a normal dinner - including pud if you want!

If you can throw in a couple of these 'mini-fasts', it'll help you stay on track and you'll feel very virtuous! smile

On the other hand, if you can't manage to do that - just put 5:2 on hold and take it up when you return. After all, this WOL is just that - for life!

I've just had a vegan fry-up with a glass of wine whilst listening to England hanging on for dear life in NZ. You know those meals when you eat slower and slower, taking smaller and smaller mouthfuls, towards the end? This was just such a meal. Gorgeous! And I'm on my second glass of wine, so even if England lose, I shall feel no pain! wink

Nice to see the thread continuing in exactly the same positive, friendly, supportive vein as it started - even though the personnel has changed somewhat. flowers

Here, at least, we're all in this together!

sweetkitty Tue 26-Mar-13 05:52:46

Morning all I had a cuppa before bed but felt hungry and had quite a bad nights sleep not helped by DS getting up at 5am being sick.

Just about to have some toast.

So does it get easier? Does your body get used to fasting? I'm in awe of some of you doing 24 hour fasts.

scales back down a pound but still a pound above my lowest after a fast day. bit disappointing but must be realistic. am thinking i might do another fast today and see if two back to back shakes things up a bit.

morning all.

i missed a page!

sweetkitty - yes it gets easier. i find it pretty easy to go all day without food - my challenge is to not overeat once i have broken the fast in the evening.

i'm noticing though that it is always harder for me after a couple of days of eating too many carbs and junk food.

i am not a doctor but from the bits i've read on the effect this woe has i'm wondering if it's to do with insulin - so a couple of days of getting your insulin levels jumping all over the place with sugars/refined carbs means they're still jumpy come the fast day. thoughts anyone?

frenchfancy Tue 26-Mar-13 06:44:05

scripsi 800 cals on fast days is not enough. You need to have a good difference between fast days and feed days. If you want to lose weight a bit quicker then try adding an extra fast day, but eat more on feed days.

Holiday tips I managed to lose weight on holiday. As B+W said go for 2 or 3 mini fasts - so eat nothing all day but normally in the evening. The other important thing is to keep active. Go for a walk or a run, take the kids swimming and don't stop movibg in the pool, have a boogie. I went to a waterpark. I knew the food would be terrible so I didn't eat. We had a great time and where normally I would watch from the sidelines I ran and swam like a loony like the othersgrin

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Tue 26-Mar-13 07:38:08

I am having the bank holiday weekend off - although am going to try 'mini fasts' all weekend if I can. But not gonna limit evening meals (or chocolate!) and that's very empowering. At the end of this week I will be sorting through my clothes and removing those that don't fit anymore - mainly jeans/leggings. And some tops/bras too. Then when I reach goal weight (another stone or so to go) I will start buying clothes - should be a good size 10 by then!

Have just signed up for Race For Life grin

Northstarmum Tue 26-Mar-13 08:07:02

Fasting today after a splurge weekend and Monday. So I've a feeling this one is going to be tough but I need it! Normally I'm a daiy weigher but today I'm going to avoid the scales until I've had a chance to reset my system! Good luck other fasters. Btw, I've also lost nearly a stone and no one has mentioned it- but I wore a new dress to work last week (unusual for me) and got loads of compliments which I do think was due to my newly svelte figure as well as the dress wink - maybe no one liked to ask if I'd lost weight?

ErikNorseman Tue 26-Mar-13 08:11:14

Scripsi 800 cals on eating days? Did you mean 1800? 800 is far too low and you will end up starving yourself if you are only eating between 500-800 calories a day. You need to eat enough on eat days, why are you eating so little? It's not normal to eat only 800 cals on a day you are eating 'normally' because 800 cals isn't normal for anyone. There must be a reason why you eat so,little. Are you afraid of not losing weight? Or (forgive me for asking) do you have a history of disordered eating? If so, this WOE may not be right for you.

ErikNorseman Tue 26-Mar-13 08:12:41

Sweet kitty if you are fasting then toast in the morning is the worst thing you can eat. You will be ravenous at lunchtime. If you must have breakfast on fast days then a banana or some porridge would be better.

tracedw Tue 26-Mar-13 08:15:25

Morning....well done to all fasters yesterday and good luck to everyone fasting today.
The weather this morning in Ireland is clear, sunny and dry, we have yet to see any of the bad conditions you have had in England, since we moved here last year the weather has been nothing but mild (apart from the rain, it rains a lot)
I have glimpsed a new low this morning.....9st 5.6lb.....started at 10 st about 8-9 weeks ago, so only a stone to go, i am only a very tiny framed 5 ft 2 ( with a TDEE of 1500) so 8 st 5 -7lb is comfortable and i have a wardrobe full of size 10's ready and waiting ( i was this weight until 5 yrs ago when i got pregnant with ds3)

holiday tips we had 4 days in a hotel recently, i skipped the usual fry up and had fruit and yoghurt, soup for the pub lunch and had the fish option in the evening at the hotel and no pudding, i also used the hotel gym(never have before ) and long walks on the beach.....drank like a fish thoughwine
I didnt gain.

decision made - i am not going to do second fast day in a row and have just eaten a wagon wheel. this from someone who never, never, never eats breakfast. don't know what's going on with me but i'm feeling hunger a lot and this for once felt like physical hunger rather than head hunger and that next to never happens.

fasting tomorrow and friday if i can manage it.

erik i think sweetkitty fasted yesterday - today is an eating day for her if i read it right.

postmanpatseasterbunny Tue 26-Mar-13 08:19:46

Morning all smile

tracedw v similar to you...started almost 5 weeks ago at 10st 1 and now 9st 5. I had never been over 9st til I was pregnant with DD1 and she's 15 now!

Wish it was mild here! About 2C in London this morning.

akarucker Tue 26-Mar-13 08:20:16

Never in a billion years did I ever think I would be someone who would look forward to a fast day. Before I started this six weeks ago, I read through all these posts and thought that the people doing this WOE must just be wired differently to me, because there's no way I could ever manage a day without food. No way! But, this is my 21st fast day and I was looking forward to it yesterday, and I'm glad it's here today. Don't get me wrong, I'm also really l

tracedw Tue 26-Mar-13 08:20:33

Just to add, i only fasted on the day we travelled on hols and on the day we returned home.

akarucker Tue 26-Mar-13 08:21:40

...looking forward to my eat day tomorrow. I just wanted to let anyone who's thinking that they can't start this because fast days are too daunting, that they get so much easier and, yes, you may even start to enjoy them! Unbelievable!

akarucker Tue 26-Mar-13 08:22:21

...sorry, pressed the wrong button so the above posts are in two separate parts.

-1 here - i'm actually jealous of 2degrees!!

ComeTalkToMe Tue 26-Mar-13 08:28:50


Thought I had an awful fast day yesterday but just added it up and it was about 550, which isn't too bad. The New York Deli - Skinny Chicken Minestrone is a lifesaver, very chunky and yummy.

Had a good run this morning, 10k training bang on track. Thinking about getting Jillian Michael's Body Conditioning programme but it's very expensive!

HopAndEggRoll Tue 26-Mar-13 08:56:52

Hi all. It's my first fast day today. I take it I can drink water until I break my fast with food later? I'm going to see how long I can go before eating my boiled eggs and apple but I'm parched so will be having a glass of water. I also have fruit tea and Pepsi max in the cupboard as I figure I could try one of those before I eat if I feel hungry (I know diet drinks are contentious but its a WOL and I love them, don't drink alcohol and don't smoke so I can have one bad thing in my life grin )

mehefin Tue 26-Mar-13 09:12:57

HopandEggRoll Drink loads of water while you are fasting I have become very fond of hot water.

Very energetic feel to this thread this morning but I'm off to bed soon

tomorrowweeat Tue 26-Mar-13 09:36:00

Well done to all yesterday's fasters (including me!) - enjoy your meals today. I find I really do after a day's fast. Makes you appreciate your food more I think.

And good luck to the uesday fasters smile

tomorrowweeat Tue 26-Mar-13 09:36:32


sweetkitty Tue 26-Mar-13 09:38:06

Good luck to all the fasters today, don't think I could ever manage 2 fast days in a row.

Erik - I'm on a feast day today enjoyed my toast this morning, I have been up since before 5am so needed it.

emily1001 Tue 26-Mar-13 09:46:41

Hello, just a wee question, I'd love to give 5:2 a go for the health benefits but at 5'3 and 7 and a half stone, would this still be beneficial to me or am I too light? I obviously don't want to lose weight but would like to enjoy the other benefits that come with this WOE.

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 26-Mar-13 09:59:50

emily we have a few people on the thread who aren't trying to lose anymore, I'm sure they'll be along to give you some tips! But yes, it does seem to be sustainable for them. If you find you lose weight you might want to just try one fast a week and see how that goes for you.

Okay, am fasting today after yesterdays truncated fast. I think I've come to terms with mum going home, as much as I can be anyway! I've got to wait for the BT man to show up and otherwise entertain DS who is still home with chicken pox. I think he can go to nursery tomorrow, though, which will be great for all of us. wink

Also, doing the food shop online on a fast day isn't the smartest thing in the world!

SlipperyNipple Tue 26-Mar-13 10:20:19

Hi I'm new. Been doing 5:2 for about a month with a break last week for holiday.

So with regards to holiday fasting, I fasted on the Sunday before we went and then just didn't bother while we were on holiday. Now after I've come back after my fast yesterday I am at a new low. So I think holidays should just be for relaxing myself.

I've lost somewhere between 4 and 6 pounds so far depending on the day. I do have a lot to lose and I'm interested in the health benefits. I did go to my doctor for another reason before I started and after blood test he said I was perfectly healthy even carrying 4.5 stone more than I should. So to be honest it is losing weight that is my prime objective.

I would describe myself with slight compulsive eating issues and I know that it's not been recommended for people like that but I have actually found it very helpful. I'm understanding what hunger is. I'm eating a bit less on most non-fast days and sometimes splurging a bit but then just relaxing about it. I used to really feel depressed about an overheating event and then that would lead to a cycle of bingeing. That has stopped.

It is early days but I just want to say this WOL has been a revelation to me so far. I had got to point where I had tried every diet I could think of and was seriously lost and hopeless. I now have hope. That's huge for me.

Anyway this thread is great and really supportive. It really helps me.

mummyof2girlsx Tue 26-Mar-13 10:29:56

SlipperyNipple Well done on your weight loss so far! I too find that this WOL has helped control my appetite and I am finding that I am eating less on non-fast days as I am feeling full more quickly.

Of course I do still have the odd day of overeating but not to worry a fast day will sort that out grin

Treacleq Tue 26-Mar-13 10:40:25

Hi all!

Slippery I think I have quite similar issues - good to know there are others here with quite a bit to loose - I've got three stone to go! But yes, it's been a revelation to me too!

Had a fast day yesterday, was a bit odd! I got home and had made it on nothing but coffee all day - had been saving myself for a lush celeriac risotto I had made the previous night, so had that and then just wanted to carry on eating sad I got a bread roll with some pate but then only ate about a quarter of it - think I just managed about 600 cals in the end so not too much damage done!

I'm hoping for a bit of weight loss this week after a pound on last week, it is becoming a true WOL for me now on my forth week smile

Two questions if anyone can help - How do I find my way back to my last post on here? Is there a link I can go straight to rather than scrolling back trying to find my place?

Also - I have difficulty working out calories at home - even using MFP I still find it hard to work out home made meals - risotto above for example! I end up kind of guessing and using something already logged in MFP that I hope is about the similar calories?

Sorry for the long post! Hope everyone has a lovely bank holiday weekend!

SlipperyNipple Tue 26-Mar-13 10:50:07

Thanks Mummy and Treacleq.

I use the MFP recipe maker to work out stuff that I cook often. Have you tried that?

I don't know how to get back to my last place in a thread but would like to know.

FastFeeder Tue 26-Mar-13 11:04:07

Treacleq the Calorie Count recipe analyser is the best tool I've found online for counting calories in home made food - it produces a little nutritional panel for each serving, too.

monster54 Tue 26-Mar-13 11:05:20

Fast went Ok yesterday, I finished on 483. I felt energised this morning when DC woke at 6am!!! And now I'm beginning to flag.....

I did have a peek on the scales and I'm a pound above my low last week and thats to be expected I did binge a fair bit at the weekend, so still a few days to try and get some of that off.

What are peoples plans over Easter??? I'm thinking my mini fast Fri is going to be a challenge and my full fast Monday!!!


Dotty342kids Tue 26-Mar-13 11:24:35

I'm away on hols from Mon - Fri next week. It's an active holiday in the Lakes so plan to be doing fair bit of walking (well as much as kids will allow!) so really can't see fasting as being an option as will need to have at least lunch and dinner. Might miss some breakfasts out though and am going to try to fast on the day we drive up! To allow for Easter day chocs plus the holiday the plan is to alternate day fast this week instead. Then I can relax and enjoy those days guilt free!

HopAndEggRoll Tue 26-Mar-13 11:46:35

Just ate my eggs and apple. Didn't really need them but had to explain to my 4yo this morning why I wasn't having breakfast (not growing) and he wanted an early lunch and he looked very sad and asked "mummy, you are having lunch aren't you?"

I'm working my fast days for the rest of the holidays and I've purposefully ensured by fast days are part of my working week so this situation will be avoided going forward. I have probably broken all sorts of rules eating this early and its only my first fast blush.

Talkinpeace Tue 26-Mar-13 11:48:33

Unless your frame is really tiny you have no weight to lose, so the way to enjoy the health benefits of fasting is to do a fast - like everybody else is - but NOT do the calorie restricted meals.
You will in fact not eat as much after a fast but your appetite will regulate you across the week.
And the insulin and fat metabolising and clear thought pattern come in after about 16 hours without food, regardless of what you eat at the end of the 24 hours.

SpiralSkies Tue 26-Mar-13 11:59:55

Ooh, Dotty, I'm in the Lake District too next week. Just ordering fleece-lined trousers and pretending not to look at pub menus!!

To those asking how to find your place on the thread, I click the 'show all messages' thing at the bottom of the page. You can then simply hit control F and search for your username...

ElizaCBennett Tue 26-Mar-13 12:07:38

treacle if you go to the Threads page and click on I'm on it will take you to all threads you have contributed to. This will help you find your place

postmanpatseasterbunny Tue 26-Mar-13 12:12:07

Easter plans...moving Thursday's fast to tomorrow. It's my birthday on Friday and I have cakes etc for work, Thursday is the last working day so if I fast I can't eat my own goodies! Definitely not fasting on my birthday although as it's Good Friday I don't want to go too mad. Saturday will be a sensible day and I already have a peanut M&Ms egg ready for Sunday - my favourite! (But I don't eat those 'family' bags by myself any more)

Breadandwine Tue 26-Mar-13 12:16:40

Good job I took another look at the thread before posting!

I was going to say exactly the same as you, Spiral!

The only thing I would add is that, on a MacBook so can't speak for PCs, control G and the 'Enter' button perform the same function - the cursor goes to the next searched for item. And if you press the shift button at the same time, you can go backwards up the thread.

It's a bit convoluted, but it works for me! smile

Itsaboatjack Tue 26-Mar-13 12:25:19

Morning all,

Welcome to all the newbies and delurkers

I'm doing my 2nd fast day in row and going for 24hrs. I'm determined not to let the cold beat me today so I am layered up like the Michelin Man.

My bras are stating to get too big now too, I've gone from the last set of hooks to the tightest. I may have to go on a shopping spree soon grin

One of the best things I love about this thread is the links people put on here, I watched the Horizon one last night 'why thin people are not fat'. Bit depressing the bit about your body having a set weight it t